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Speaker 1: This is the Action Network Podcast.

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Speaker 2: It's good without further ado.

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Speaker 3: That's what the game's all about.

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Speaker 4: All of a sudden, you feel like you can't miss.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna leave it up there.

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Speaker 3: You couldn't make that if you try that again, absolutely not.

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Speaker 4: Welcome to the Action Network NBA Podcast Playoff Edition. Thanks

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Speaker 4: for joining us. My name is Matt Moore. I'm the

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Speaker 4: senior NBA rider for the Action Network. Joining me as

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Speaker 4: always Raheem Palmer and Brandon Anderson. Raheem, how's it going?

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Speaker 5: Life is good? I mean, I'm not really happy.

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Speaker 4: About the way we're gonna get We're gonna.

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Speaker 5: Get there, but besides that, life is good. I can't complain.

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Speaker 4: We're gonna We're gonna get to what happened last night? Brandon,

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Speaker 4: how are you hanging in?

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Speaker 2: I mean, we made it. We made it to the postseason.

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Speaker 2: That is not the playoffs. But we're here. We've got

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Speaker 2: back every night, every weekend for a very long time

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Speaker 2: to come.

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Speaker 3: So let's go.

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Speaker 4: Yep, it's good time, miners. Today's episode is brought to

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Speaker 4: you by bet MGM, the official odds provider of the

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Speaker 4: Action Network Podcast. Usually, we start with our NBA marquee

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Speaker 4: at this point. But in related news to what happened

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Speaker 4: last night, we were actually going to start today with

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Speaker 4: thanks for nothing.

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Speaker 1: Good teams win and great teams cover, but some teams

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Speaker 1: do neither. This is thanks for nothing.

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Speaker 5: It's it's night.

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Speaker 4: We really did John guys all year long. I in preseason,

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Speaker 4: I bet the under on Hornets wins because I looked

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Speaker 4: at that roster and was like, are you getting at this?

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Speaker 4: Like LaMelo can be great, and this roster is still trash,

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Speaker 4: Like Gordon Hayward is your best player and you need

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Speaker 4: like other supporting good players around him for to be successful.

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Speaker 4: That the Boston Celtics had, like it was a mishmash

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Speaker 4: of like good promising young guys that are probably gonna

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Speaker 4: be role players and then like veteran guys like Bismack

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Speaker 4: Biambo and Cody Zeller and I think even Moligue Monk

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Speaker 4: qualifies as a veteran at this point. And I was

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Speaker 4: just like I looked at that and was like, no,

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Speaker 4: there's no way. And instead, like when Hayward went down,

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Speaker 4: they were the fourth seed in the Eastern Conference with

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Speaker 4: a real shot at like home court advantage, and like

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Speaker 4: it was really frustrating me to see them just continuously

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Speaker 4: when I was like, how are they doing this? This

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Speaker 4: is such nonsense. I would watch them and not really

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Speaker 4: how are they doing this? There was a stretch in

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Speaker 4: between where I Rahiem and I were on a vet

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Speaker 4: stream together. I lost ten of eleven bets involving the

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Speaker 4: Charlotte Hornets this season, ten of eleve That was my

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Speaker 4: entire But there was a stretch where I lost ten

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Speaker 4: of eleven. And it wasn't like I just bet against

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Speaker 4: them or I just bet on them. I bet them

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Speaker 4: every other like I bet every way. I tried to

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Speaker 4: fade them in certain halves and quarters and games and spots,

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Speaker 4: and tried overs and unders and I missed everything. And

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Speaker 4: finally I did a deep dive into like what makes

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Speaker 4: a team a good playoff team? And a lot of

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Speaker 4: it was built on on the premise of you need

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Speaker 4: defensive versatility and pull up shooting, and the Hornets ticked

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Speaker 4: both of those boxes. Fellas like in very clear terms,

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Speaker 4: and I talked about in this podcast, and I was excited.

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Speaker 4: I was like, this is actually a position where I

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Speaker 4: think I can get good underdog value. Going into a

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Speaker 4: postseason play. Heyward went down, Sure, that was really rough.

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Speaker 4: They lost Lamellow that really hurt them, for sure, I

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Speaker 4: they're facing a Pace team that is absolutely just like unraveling,

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Speaker 4: housed by thirty. I will never thank any team for

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Speaker 4: less than I am right now thanking the Charlotte Hornets

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Speaker 4: for nothing. I never want to think about this team

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Speaker 4: from this season ever. Again, it's not fair.

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Speaker 5: It's not fair. We got to talk about the three

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Speaker 5: point shooting. What the heck like? Not just with the

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Speaker 5: going on with the three point shooting for role teams.

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Speaker 5: They were combined fifteen for sixty one yesterday. If both

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Speaker 5: Instead we got two blowouts. So it's just I never

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Speaker 4: The final numbers aren't gonna really illustrate it. I looked

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Speaker 4: this up yesterday. Mcgame wants all of my Hornets to

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Speaker 4: make the playoff. Future started just absolutely disintegrating in my hands.

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Speaker 4: The Pacers this season averaged twelve made threes per game.

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Speaker 4: The Pacers hit ten in the first half and that

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Speaker 4: when they hit seven, like that was it. Like the

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Speaker 4: Hornets missed everything. The Pacers hit everything. Now I will

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Speaker 4: say this, like other teams are getting back into that game,

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Speaker 4: Like they needed Hayward there to be like settled down,

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Speaker 4: We're going to get back into this. Let's get it

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Speaker 4: In said the Hornets. Basically, we're like, well, I guess

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Speaker 4: so we're done, We're we're done. We're just done. Okay,

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Speaker 3: Brandon, Yeah, it's uh.

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Speaker 2: I send you guys a tweet from shot Quality on

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Speaker 2: Twitter shot under spur quality that kind of grades each

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Speaker 2: watching what is happening, Terry Roseier is getting good looks.

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Speaker 3: But can't hit anything. Thanks for nothing on that prop,

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Speaker 3: Terry Roseier.

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Speaker 2: Doug McDermott could have shot from like anywhere in the

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Speaker 3: So thanks for nothing.

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Speaker 2: Doug McDermott shot said that the predictive score from last

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Speaker 2: night would have been Pacers one twenty nine point four

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Speaker 2: one four, one seventeen. Here's my question. In that game,

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Speaker 2: Dog McDermott was raining fire and may I remind you, gentlemen,

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Speaker 2: once upon a time my Chicago Bulls traded up the

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Speaker 2: I think we did it last night. I think it's

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Speaker 2: I think it's in the books.

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Speaker 4: Hey, at least how you managed to pivot this into

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Speaker 2: We won the McDermott trade and we avoided the ten

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Speaker 2: a it's the best outcome we could have hoped for

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I think that that's. Yeah. I'm gonna

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Speaker 4: be very curious about the Spur game tonight. The tenth

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Speaker 4: anything forward from that? Do we disregard this because of

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Speaker 4: the COVID stuff? Like it's a I think it's an

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Speaker 5: Last night, maybe question why we have a playing game,

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Speaker 5: Like maybe we should just let these these guys go

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Speaker 4: It's part of it, though, is like that really is

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Speaker 4: I was like, your season's over, Like you battled to

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Speaker 2: Ever again, I will say to another takeaway from that

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Speaker 2: takeaway I think is just that who knows anything can happen?

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Speaker 2: You got one game and we turned the NBA into

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Speaker 4: It's even rougher. I think we're shooting variants like I mean, shooting.

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Speaker 4: Mariance has been the plague of my existence because of

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Speaker 4: hit threes in this game. It's that the Pacers entire

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Speaker 1: The Golden State Warriors at the LA Lakers.

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Speaker 4: I'm already locked in on Lakers. We talked about this

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Speaker 4: and find that I'm already locked in. I got Lakers

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Speaker 5: This Grizzlies team has just been inconsistent as far as

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Speaker 4: Grizzlies minus nine is plus two twenty on alternate line

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Speaker 5: To be honest, when I look at this game, I

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Speaker 5: When I look at this Warriors team, honestly, I kind

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Speaker 5: that a big money lined dog on the road.

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Speaker 4: I think you're taking my gameer' you gonna take him

436
00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:26,600
Speaker 4: on the series price.

437
00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:29,320
Speaker 5: I'm thinking my game and then I'm thinking, like, you know,

438
00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:33,200
Speaker 5: maybe a plus two and a half or something like that,

439
00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:38,280
Speaker 5: because I don't see this being a series where they

440
00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:41,600
Speaker 5: get swept or it's for one. I think it's a

441
00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:46,280
Speaker 5: It's gonna remind me of the Warriors and Spurs series

442
00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:51,640
Speaker 5: from two thousand and what was that twenty thirteen? Yeah, yeah,

443
00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:54,440
Speaker 5: it'll be something like that to where Steph Curry is

444
00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:57,960
Speaker 5: just so good that the Jazz struggle to put them away.

445
00:22:58,080 --> 00:22:59,520
Speaker 4: See. I feel like, if you do that, you're gonna

446
00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:01,440
Speaker 4: get This is a Western Conference question, by the way,

447
00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:06,320
Speaker 4: but we'll preview the Western Conference on Friday. I feel

448
00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:07,680
Speaker 4: like if you do that, though, I will say this,

449
00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:09,840
Speaker 4: you're gonna have to play it. Pay a lot of

450
00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:13,680
Speaker 4: juice on the Warriors plus two and a half. Yeah,

451
00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:16,639
Speaker 4: I just feel like you're like everyone's going to be

452
00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:21,520
Speaker 4: on them to at least win two. And then what

453
00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:23,480
Speaker 4: they're what they've been doing with most of the books

454
00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:27,159
Speaker 4: have done, is they've priced it in those situations. They

455
00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:28,919
Speaker 4: priced it basically like, oh, yeah, you get the two

456
00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:30,879
Speaker 4: and a half, but we're making you pay two hundred

457
00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:32,879
Speaker 4: for it, like we're going to make it pay two

458
00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:34,840
Speaker 4: to one. So, like, I honestly I wonder if maybe

459
00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:38,920
Speaker 4: the best play is take the Warriors either on the

460
00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:43,040
Speaker 4: money line or against the spread in game one, and

461
00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:46,400
Speaker 4: then after the results of Game one you can decide

462
00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:48,280
Speaker 4: if you want it. Like the risk is that the

463
00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:50,280
Speaker 4: Jazz win Game one and then the Warriors won the

464
00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:54,359
Speaker 4: series and you've missed your value. But but you know,

465
00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:57,240
Speaker 4: at least it gives you the opportunity to see how

466
00:23:57,280 --> 00:23:58,960
Speaker 4: the matchup looks, Like, all right, can the rest of

467
00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:01,359
Speaker 4: the Warriors actually like give Steph a chance in this series?

468
00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:02,520
Speaker 5: Right?

469
00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:04,399
Speaker 4: So, like that that might be the thing. Is I

470
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:06,119
Speaker 4: still feel like you're after game one, you're gonna be

471
00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:08,400
Speaker 4: able to get a good underdog price on the Warriors,

472
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:11,440
Speaker 4: Like they can't flip it. If the Warriors win Game

473
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:14,000
Speaker 4: one versus the Jazz, the Warriors will still not be favorite.

474
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:15,960
Speaker 4: You'll still get them as a plus dog. You will

475
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:19,800
Speaker 4: still get them as a plus dog with a one

476
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:23,800
Speaker 4: to lead, Like I could see that actually being the case.

477
00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:25,879
Speaker 4: Like I I think the books are gonna have a

478
00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:29,320
Speaker 4: hard time for the models moving that to Warriors being

479
00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:33,040
Speaker 4: favored after game one, Like, that's just that's too much risk.

480
00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:35,639
Speaker 4: So I wonder if that's maybe the play is that

481
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:38,520
Speaker 4: the Warriors game one evaluated after game one and if

482
00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:40,399
Speaker 4: you still get the Warriors, I have plus price go

483
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:43,040
Speaker 4: back in on the series. Price had to reduce number.

484
00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:44,160
Speaker 5: Then, mm hmm.

485
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Speaker 4: That's just me. That's just me. All right. This is

486
00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:50,760
Speaker 4: actually the Eastern Conference playoff preview, which is why I

487
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:53,720
Speaker 4: was hesitant to talk about this game. But Brandon Anderson

488
00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:56,120
Speaker 4: was like, now now we gotta talk about Warriors Lakers.

489
00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:58,399
Speaker 4: We gotta about Warriors Lakers. So there you go, we

490
00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:00,560
Speaker 4: talk about Warriors Lks. We're gonnaalk about joy later too.

491
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:03,000
Speaker 4: Just to hit all the Brandon Anderson's sweet.

492
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Speaker 1: Spots, Brandon Anderson is a hater.

493
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:07,840
Speaker 4: Let's talk about the Eastern Conference.

494
00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:12,679
Speaker 1: First up, the Atlanta Hawks at the New York Knicks.

495
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:14,800
Speaker 4: So on this as we're going to do this, you

496
00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:16,960
Speaker 4: basically have two angles you get to, you get to

497
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:19,000
Speaker 4: act from, and you can talk about whether you're gonna

498
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:20,359
Speaker 4: take it per game, if you're gonna take out a

499
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:23,520
Speaker 4: series price whatever, but you had to have two different

500
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:25,639
Speaker 4: angles that you're gonna give me on how about the series?

501
00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:28,400
Speaker 4: Let's start with Brandon. Brandon, what are your two angles

502
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:30,520
Speaker 4: for Hawk? For Hawks Nicks?

503
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:35,520
Speaker 2: So, of all the Eastern series coming into kind of

504
00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:38,200
Speaker 2: my deep dive of my preparation for this. So this

505
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:41,520
Speaker 2: was the series that I just had no feel for

506
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:46,280
Speaker 2: coming in that you know, well, it's the one series

507
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 2: that is a toss up and we've got three big

508
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:51,680
Speaker 2: favorites in the other. So I guess that's not a

509
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 2: shocking stance. I am surprised that I came away not

510
00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:58,840
Speaker 2: thinking that I really like the Hawks.

511
00:25:58,600 --> 00:25:59,320
Speaker 3: In the series.

512
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:03,879
Speaker 2: And the reason that I like them is because of

513
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:08,440
Speaker 2: what I think that the playoff rotations are going to

514
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:12,440
Speaker 2: do to this team. Look, I'm a Bulls and Wolves fan.

515
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:15,400
Speaker 2: I know Tom Thibodeaux. I've seen the Tom Thibodeau thing.

516
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:19,280
Speaker 2: We know what happens is that they maximize all year

517
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:22,240
Speaker 2: in the regular season. They don't have another gear in

518
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:25,320
Speaker 2: the playoffs. We all know that that's what happens. There's

519
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 2: not extra minutes, there's not an extra gear. We have

520
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:31,400
Speaker 2: the best version of the Knicks already and it's good.

521
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:35,440
Speaker 2: That's not bad, but we have what they are. I

522
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:37,840
Speaker 2: think that, you know, like, the one thing that the

523
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:41,160
Speaker 2: Knicks I think can do to really improve what they've

524
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:43,760
Speaker 2: been doing is just to get rid of Elfred Peyton.

525
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:46,720
Speaker 2: He's been down to like fifteen minutes a game. Get

526
00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:50,240
Speaker 2: rid of the more fifteen I'll be looking to play

527
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:53,080
Speaker 2: like a Derrick Rose over. I think that his points

528
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:55,240
Speaker 2: have gone up over the last like twenty games or so.

529
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:58,280
Speaker 2: So that's one potential prop that I'll be watching or

530
00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:03,000
Speaker 2: write about. But I thought about this game. I don't

531
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:05,880
Speaker 2: know necessarily where I put Derreck Rose in the hierarchy

532
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 2: of players. But the whole point of the Hawks is

533
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 2: that they've got Trey Young, Bogun bogdanovi It's John Collins,

534
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:18,360
Speaker 2: Clint Capella, Danila Gallinari. That's five good players, like good

535
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:23,119
Speaker 2: NBA players, and Bogun Bogdanovac especially has been on like

536
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:25,439
Speaker 2: an absolute torrid stretch since the start of April.

537
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:27,639
Speaker 3: He moved in the starting lineup.

538
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:29,480
Speaker 2: He's been putting up twenty one to four and four

539
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 2: on fifty forty nine to ninety shooting in that stretch.

540
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:37,680
Speaker 2: And I think if you just toss the rosters out

541
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:40,720
Speaker 2: and said, okay, build a team, and we had a draft,

542
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 2: the Hawks have five of the first six picks, like

543
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:48,119
Speaker 2: Julius Randall and five Hawks is who's going there? Maybe

544
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:50,920
Speaker 2: Derrick Rose sneaks in before one of those guys just

545
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:54,960
Speaker 2: because you need another guard or something. But with Atlanta,

546
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 2: the angle that that I can't get past is okay.

547
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:00,680
Speaker 2: The playoffs are all about shortening your real rotation and

548
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:03,200
Speaker 2: in more minutes and more to the guys that matter.

549
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:06,360
Speaker 2: The Hawks had all five of these guys missing time

550
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 2: all season long, and now they're all there and they're

551
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 2: all ready. And what I like here, and I guess

552
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 2: the angles and I'll put both of them together, is

553
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:20,760
Speaker 2: you've got a Hawks team that I like better. But

554
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 2: they're also the inexperienced team on the road to start out.

555
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 2: And if you like the dog on the road to

556
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 2: start out, you've got some opportunities. So my top position

557
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 2: here is just Hawks at minus one point five in

558
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 2: the series, which is plus one ninety at bet MGM.

559
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 2: I don't see the Hawks winning game seven in New

560
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 2: York with their inexperience. That's not a spot that I

561
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 2: want to be at. So if they're not going to

562
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 2: win Game seven, but they are going to win the series,

563
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 2: then that covers me at the Hawks minus one point five,

564
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 2: and I like that much better than just basically taking

565
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 2: the coin flip odds on the series and you get

566
00:28:57,520 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 2: plus one nine. You're like doubling your odds on that.

567
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 2: I also like potentially much less, so we talked about

568
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 2: taking one hundred dollars and splitting up. I think I

569
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 2: do like eighty dollars on Hawks at minus one point

570
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 2: five plus one ninety Hawks to lose Game one but

571
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 2: win the series is plus four hundred at bet MGM.

572
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:21,240
Speaker 2: I don't hate that, just because I feel like these

573
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 2: playoffs are going to be a tough spot for Trey Young.

574
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 2: Even if the Hawks do win the series, then he

575
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 2: has to go face Philadelphia. He's gonna have like all

576
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 2: this defense thrown at his scrawny little body trying to

577
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 2: hold up.

578
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 3: And hoist these threes off.

579
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 2: I feel like I could see them losing Game one

580
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 2: on the road racous New York, you know, crowd, but

581
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 2: then still come back to win the series. So that's

582
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 2: a plus four hundred to get that one long shot

583
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 2: out of one hundred dollars. I got five bucks on

584
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 2: bogged On Bogdanovic leading the scoring in the series at

585
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 2: plus five thousand.

586
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 3: He's averaging twenty one a game.

587
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 2: I think these games are going to be like low

588
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 2: scoring Rock fighty, trying to figure things out. I like

589
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 2: the Hawks, I just I like the players. I like

590
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 2: the way that the rotations are going to shorten. I

591
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 2: didn't expect to like them this much.

592
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 4: It's nice that you think Trey hung is going to

593
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 4: allow anyone else on the Hawks to leave them in scoring.

594
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 4: That's nice to you, Like, that's the optimism of that

595
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 4: human nature is nice for me. Brandon series price by

596
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 4: the way, I don't know if you mentioned that, Brandon,

597
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:23,960
Speaker 4: but it's one ten either way. Like this is basically

598
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:26,000
Speaker 4: it's a pick them, Like this series is a pick

599
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:29,800
Speaker 4: them at least a bet mgm rahiem wear your two

600
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:30,959
Speaker 4: angles and what do you think?

601
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 5: I think there's some very interesting things about this series.

602
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,120
Speaker 5: The big thing, I mean, we talked about the job

603
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 5: that Nate McMillan has done in Atlanta since he's taken over.

604
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 5: We talk about them. The Indiana Pacers fire McMillan, and

605
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 5: one of the reasons why is his performance in the playoffs.

606
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 5: I mean, his teams are up one in eleven in

607
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 5: the last twelve playoff games, and he's seventeen and thirty

608
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 5: six in the playoffs. He's just gotten out of the

609
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 5: first round just once in none times. Now, when I

610
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 5: look at this matchup, I think the biggest thing is

611
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 5: the return of DeAndre Hunter.

612
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 3: He's gonna be huge.

613
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,720
Speaker 5: I think he's a guy who can, you know, slow

614
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 5: down Julius Randall. I mean, you could put him on

615
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 5: a bigger guy, you can put him on a smaller guy.

616
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 5: Like he has to be their best player in order

617
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 5: for them to win this series, at least in my opinion.

618
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 5: I mean, we could talk about Trey Young, we could

619
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 5: talk about Bogdanovich. He's shooting forty four percent from three.

620
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 5: I think the pickup of Lou Williams is huge off

621
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 5: the bench, But it's just Hunter's got to slow down Randall.

622
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 5: And then also who's gonna be the guys who's gonna

623
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 5: step up around Randall? So this is this is really

624
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 5: a tough series for me, I just.

625
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 4: For me.

626
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 5: I'm if I had to bet anything, I would be

627
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 5: betting this series to go seven. Like, and I know

628
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 5: it's only plus two hundred, but this is this is

629
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 5: this is gonna be a series this that's just gonna

630
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:01,720
Speaker 5: go back and forth. Like I just this Knicks team

631
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 5: has performed really well. They're they're shooting the ball really well.

632
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 5: The defense is always going to be there. I just

633
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 5: I don't trust either one of these teams to really

634
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 5: run away from running right with the series. I think

635
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 5: you could even get a good bet on the Knicks

636
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 5: plus one and a half. I do think the Hawks

637
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 5: are the better team, but I just I think it's

638
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 5: a really close series.

639
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 4: So I have a better angle for you then, because

640
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 4: I didn't like that that price either on to go

641
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 4: seven and plus one seventy five. Here's why you gotta

642
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 4: shop around. Okay, Knicks four to three is plus four fifty. Okay,

643
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 4: Hawks for three is plus four fifty. Yeah, you just

644
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 4: bet it both ways. Now the rest there is like obviously,

645
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 4: like if this doesn't go seven, you're you're out double right,

646
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 4: Like that's that's the problem. But you know, well, like

647
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 4: I said, we we banded about the idea of going

648
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 4: if you get one hundred dollars a bet on each series,

649
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 4: you know, what do you come out with? This is

650
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 4: where I would probably wind up is I would probably

651
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 4: wind up putting at least like eighty of it on

652
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:20,960
Speaker 4: Hawks to win four three, Knicks to win four three,

653
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 4: and going plus four or fifty on both sides, and

654
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 4: that winds up getting you profit either way as long

655
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 4: as you're like, this is why I'd like to do

656
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 4: is if you take a central premise of whatever it

657
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 4: is you have going into a series, like you know,

658
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 4: X team is gonna hang, is going to keep close,

659
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 4: So I'm looking for the best line under that or

660
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 4: this is and I'm with you on going this series

661
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 4: going along. The biggest reason I like the series to

662
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 4: go long is the inexperienced factor. Trey Young, Camradish, DeAndre Hunter,

663
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 4: John Collins, all those guys new to the playoffs, all

664
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 4: of them Like, who is your playoff veteran on the Hawks,

665
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 4: Lou Williams, Clint Capella, Daniel o' gallinari. Yeah, but that's it,

666
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:13,959
Speaker 4: Like they don't have any they have no like they're

667
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:17,440
Speaker 4: no star power, no starters are legit, Like you can

668
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 4: trust these guys in a playoff series. They know what

669
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 4: they're doing. Like Clint's the closest thing to it from

670
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:24,719
Speaker 4: his battles with the Rockets, right, And I don't feel

671
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:26,880
Speaker 4: like Clint is like out there in front and be like,

672
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:30,760
Speaker 4: you know, telling Trey how to handle stuff, like Try's

673
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:32,320
Speaker 4: gonna have to figure this out on his own. On

674
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 4: the Knicks side, Julius Randall, R. J. Barrett right quickly,

675
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 4: like the veterans are todsh Gibson, Derrick Rose.

676
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 5: No, well, I guess how many has been in Alex

677
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:51,400
Speaker 5: Alex bert Al.

678
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 4: I mean.

679
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 5: We're digging at the bottom of it.

680
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, So I mean Derek, I think is an advantage there, right,

681
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 4: because Derek has played in big playoff series and he's

682
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:08,840
Speaker 4: one big playoff series. Spend some time, but he's done it.

683
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:11,719
Speaker 4: So that to me is like the big thing is

684
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:15,399
Speaker 4: if the Knicks win Game one, they're gonna be like yeah,

685
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 4: and then the Hawks come back, they're gonna be shook.

686
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:21,359
Speaker 4: But then at the Hawks lose Game three, they're gonna

687
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:23,360
Speaker 4: be like I just feel like both these teams, this.

688
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:26,400
Speaker 5: Is the perfect series for the zigzact theory. Yeah, the

689
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 5: Zigxacs theory is is gonna profit all day in this

690
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:31,920
Speaker 5: series yeah, and it's like you're gonna have You're gonna

691
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 5: have a game where Capella gets in foul troup and

692
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:38,240
Speaker 5: then the Knicks are just totally just gonna dominate inside.

693
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 3: Yeah.

694
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:40,839
Speaker 4: Now, if you don't want to, if you don't want

695
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 4: to risk on the plus four fifty in case the series,

696
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:47,400
Speaker 4: like you know, if it's if it's there are a

697
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 4: series that have been very close and should have gone

698
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:53,320
Speaker 4: seven and didn't. Thunder Spurs twenty fourteen is when that

699
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 4: comes to mind. Sergebaka got hurt. That should that should

700
00:35:56,640 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 4: have been a seven game series, but Abaca got hurt,

701
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 4: the Spurs got up, and then the Spurs won in

702
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 4: overtime in OKC in game six. I bet series should

703
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 4: have gone to seven and it just didn't. Right, So

704
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 4: so if you don't like that, you can just pay

705
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 4: the over five and a half at minus two hundred, right,

706
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:19,880
Speaker 4: It's like it's a steep money line price. But I

707
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 4: can't see any way this series goes like four to

708
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 4: one eter direction. I just can't, you know, like I

709
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 4: can't see the Hawks going up for beating them for one.

710
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 4: I don't see a gentleman sweeping either. Directions like over

711
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:35,400
Speaker 4: five and a half maybe is like a starting position

712
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 4: and then take take your long shots on this to

713
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 4: go seven and you're gonna wind up you can, You'll

714
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:42,759
Speaker 4: profit both ways, right, You'll get the over five and

715
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 4: a half as a hedge to cover your losses on

716
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:47,320
Speaker 4: the other two. But then if one of them hits,

717
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 4: you wind up in the green. That that, to me,

718
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 4: I think is the best approach to the series. Like tactically,

719
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 4: I think the Hunter thing is really important. They played

720
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 4: great defense with DeAndre Hunter whenever he's been on the court.

721
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 4: You know, I think a lot of it is Tibbs's

722
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 4: teams don't do as well because they can't hit a

723
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:07,840
Speaker 4: higher gear. But I have no idea what to expect

724
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:10,759
Speaker 4: from this Hawks team, Like we have Tibbs versus McMillan.

725
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 4: This is a This is too. It sucks that we

726
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 4: got the series because this is two coaches that I

727
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:18,759
Speaker 4: want to fade in the playoff series, and they don't

728
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:21,759
Speaker 4: get to fade either one because they're facing each other

729
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 4: and so it's the Spider Man meme, right, They're just

730
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 4: like pointing at each other. So this is a hard

731
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:29,880
Speaker 4: way to figure out. I still think we're gonna I

732
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:32,239
Speaker 4: need more time honestly to figure this one out. I'll

733
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:33,719
Speaker 4: have a write up later in the week where I'll

734
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:37,400
Speaker 4: probably have like an actual series pick. But my biggest

735
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:39,919
Speaker 4: position right now is expect this to go along because

736
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:41,360
Speaker 4: they don't think these teams are prepared to put the

737
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:41,879
Speaker 4: other away.

738
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:47,399
Speaker 1: Let's move on to the Miami Heat at the Milwaukee Bucks.

739
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 4: Series price Bucks mis two seventy five heat plus two

740
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:53,920
Speaker 4: to twenty five. After the upset last year, the prevailing

741
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 4: thought on this series righting is the Bucks are better

742
00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 4: this year. The heater not as good. This is not

743
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:02,319
Speaker 4: the same situation. You've made a lot of money by

744
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 4: fading Mike Budenhoalzer's Bucks. You've made a lot of money

745
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 4: the losty playoffs by doing that. Where are you going

746
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 4: into the series with them?

747
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 5: I like the Bucks. I like it minus one and

748
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:12,320
Speaker 5: a half games.

749
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 1: Raheem Palmer is falling in love.

750
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:18,239
Speaker 5: Actually, I think we both agree on this. Actually I

751
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:21,359
Speaker 5: have a write up on this coming out today when

752
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:24,279
Speaker 5: our editor editor publishes all our write ups, and I

753
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:27,719
Speaker 5: know you had the same thing. I mean, I like them.

754
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:29,759
Speaker 5: I like the to eighty. I would take that as well,

755
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 5: laying two eighty, but I also like the minus one

756
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 5: and a half games. I think it's like minus one forty.

757
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 5: I just when I look at the Bucks, this Bucks team,

758
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:41,399
Speaker 5: I think one of the things that always popped into

759
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 5: my mind is that they didn't have enough pain. You

760
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:47,400
Speaker 5: look at every single one of these teams has won

761
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 5: the championship or you know, been a contender, They've suffered.

762
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 5: You know, Jordan's Bulls they had to go through the Pistons,

763
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:56,400
Speaker 5: Elanja Wayant's Rockets they lost in the eighty five finals,

764
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 5: Shaq Kobe's Lakers, they lost to the Jazz and the Spurs.

765
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 5: Then they he suffered monumental losses with the Cavs, the

766
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 5: Big Three, they lost to the Mavericks, the Warriors, they

767
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:11,400
Speaker 5: lost to the Spurs and the Clippers in Game seven,

768
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 5: and the Raptors were just a joke. You look at

769
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 5: every one of these teams, and I think the Bucks

770
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:20,959
Speaker 5: have experienced that. And now they've upgraded their point guard

771
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:25,239
Speaker 5: for Drew Holliday and in place of Eric Blotsoll, they

772
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 5: still have one of the best players in the league

773
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 5: and Gianni Santantakupo, and I think more importantly is that

774
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:35,719
Speaker 5: they're playing in a Miami Heat team that still struggles. Offensively,

775
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 5: They're eight teeth offensive rate and scoring one hundred and

776
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 5: ten points for one of the possessions. The shooting that

777
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 5: made this team scary isn't there. Jay Crowder and Kelly

778
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:46,880
Speaker 5: Olenink are no longer on the team. Duncan Robinson is

779
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 5: now a guy that guys account for. So last year

780
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 5: when he shooting forty five percent from three, he was

781
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 5: he was a new entity. Like now everybody knows how

782
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 5: to cover this guy. Tyler Harroll has regress offensively. They're

783
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:00,360
Speaker 5: not going to be able to do some of the

784
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:02,440
Speaker 5: same stuff that they did last year against the Bucks.

785
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 5: I really like the Bucks in this one. I think

786
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 5: Holly's going to be able to create. I think He's

787
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:08,919
Speaker 5: going to be able to fan better than egg Bud.

788
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 5: So I'm taking the Bucks. I'm laying a minus one

789
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 5: minus two eighty and I'm taking the minus one and

790
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 5: a half games.

791
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:21,160
Speaker 4: Okay, so last fifteen games, right, last fifteen fifteen games,

792
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:23,400
Speaker 4: which is not an insignificant amount. The Miami Heater is

793
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:26,879
Speaker 4: number three in offensive rating. I saw it number three

794
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 4: in offensive rating. What do you think?

795
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:31,840
Speaker 2: So a couple of weeks ago on our podcast, we

796
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:35,320
Speaker 2: drafted what is the matchup you hope to see in

797
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:37,840
Speaker 2: the playoffs that you want to bet on, And my

798
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 2: number one pick was Bucks Heat. That was the that

799
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:44,360
Speaker 2: was the one I wanted, and we got it, and

800
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 2: I am at the altar and I got cold feet. Gentlemen,

801
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:52,880
Speaker 2: Oh it's not it's here's the thing. I still I

802
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 2: like the Bucks. I still feel pretty good about the

803
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 2: Bucks winning the series. I don't love the numbers I'm getting.

804
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:02,839
Speaker 2: I don't love the odds to the Bucks series line.

805
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:04,920
Speaker 2: I don't love it the minus two to eighty. I

806
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:07,239
Speaker 2: don't want to lay it for the Bucks at the

807
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 2: minus one point five.

808
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't feel great about it, even

809
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 3: though I liked the Bucks.

810
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 2: Because look, we've said this so many times on this podcast.

811
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 2: Here are the things that happened last year in the

812
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:25,319
Speaker 2: Bucks Heat playoff series. Dragice and Crowder and Olynik we're

813
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:27,839
Speaker 2: hitting shots. Crowder, we're sitting like four threes a game

814
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 2: and making almost half of them unsustainable shooting, and Crowder

815
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 2: is gone that something happened this year. Johannis got hurt

816
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 2: in the series and missed time. Giannis missed those free

817
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 2: throws at the end of the one game that could

818
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:46,400
Speaker 2: have changed. That was that Game one, Game two. I'm forgetting,

819
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:49,360
Speaker 2: but near the end of one of those games I

820
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:52,440
Speaker 2: could have thrown it. Also, no home court, there was

821
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 2: no home court. We played in a bubble. The Bucks

822
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 2: fought all year and we're the best team and got

823
00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 2: home court and didn't have it, and they have home

824
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 2: court now this year. And also, by the way, there

825
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:08,319
Speaker 2: was an NBA playoff interruption. We stopped the season led

826
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 2: by the Bucks in the middle of their playoff series.

827
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:15,719
Speaker 2: That's a lot of stuff that is just like just

828
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:18,840
Speaker 2: a ton of things that all happened to line up

829
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:21,239
Speaker 2: for the Heat to win the series in five. And

830
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:25,279
Speaker 2: also just things happen and variance happens, and that's why

831
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 2: we like to watch sports, because upsets happen. And I

832
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 2: need to remind myself of all those things, because it

833
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:35,120
Speaker 2: is terrifying to just lay the money on the Bucks,

834
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:37,839
Speaker 2: even though I'm pretty confident that they're the better team,

835
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:40,719
Speaker 2: and Rahim and I have been trashing the Heat the entire.

836
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:43,760
Speaker 3: Season because they're not very good, but it's still scary

837
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 3: to put your.

838
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 2: Money on the Bucks in that spot because we just

839
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:51,239
Speaker 2: watched the money like go up in flames a year ago.

840
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 2: For anyone that trusted the Bucks in that spot. So

841
00:42:55,360 --> 00:43:00,319
Speaker 2: my angle for this series I don't love. I don't

842
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 2: want to put my money on the series right now.

843
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:03,840
Speaker 2: Where I want to put my mind. I want to

844
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:07,239
Speaker 2: save my money and I want to live bet underdogs

845
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 2: in game and in the series, because I think that

846
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 2: we've got major shooting variants coming in the series. The

847
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:17,880
Speaker 2: Heat allow the second most three point attempts to opponents.

848
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 2: The Bucks allow the third most three point attempts. We

849
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 2: have two teams that are purposely designed to just allow

850
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 2: opponents to fire away, and we just saw a year

851
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 2: ago what happens when opponents going to fire away on shooting.

852
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 2: The Bucks have better shooters. Like if you go down

853
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:39,239
Speaker 2: the list, you got Middleton forty one percent, Holiday thirty

854
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:44,360
Speaker 2: nine percent, Dante Devincenzo thirty eight, commenton Is thirty seven, Portis, Tucker,

855
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 2: and Forbes are all thirty.

856
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:45,879
Speaker 3: Nine or above.

857
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 2: Those are all good numbers Miami other than Duncan Robinson.

858
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:51,920
Speaker 2: We know he's good, but they've got Hero thirty six,

859
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:54,480
Speaker 2: None thirty eight, or we'sa thirty five, Broggage thirty seven,

860
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:56,920
Speaker 2: So it's like, oh, okay, well the Bucks are the

861
00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 2: better shooters.

862
00:43:57,960 --> 00:43:59,760
Speaker 3: It's a shooting contest. Take the Bucks.

863
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:03,320
Speaker 2: But wait, if you get the Miami guys at like

864
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:05,760
Speaker 2: thirty six percent in Milwaukee at like thirty nine percent,

865
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:09,439
Speaker 2: that is not a big difference. That's like one three

866
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:12,279
Speaker 2: pointer for the entire game. You shoot forty threes at

867
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:14,839
Speaker 2: thirty nine percent or at thirty six percent, and one

868
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:17,800
Speaker 2: team maybe made one more of them or maybe didn't.

869
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:22,719
Speaker 2: That's how this stuff works. So I want to see

870
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 2: and we saw this in the bubble, especially a lot

871
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 2: last year. I'm very curious was it a bubble effect

872
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:30,839
Speaker 2: or is it an effect of the modern three point

873
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 2: shooting NBA? All those comebacks we saw these, like big

874
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:38,320
Speaker 2: double digit deficits and comebacks. This is a series that

875
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:40,879
Speaker 2: I want to bet on those comebacks. Like I want

876
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:43,800
Speaker 2: to see a team down. We know the heat aren't

877
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:45,800
Speaker 2: gonna go away. We know the heat aren't just gonna

878
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:48,439
Speaker 2: roll over and be like, uh, you got us, Yeah

879
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:51,279
Speaker 2: here I am Jimmy Butler, you got me. You made

880
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:54,359
Speaker 2: some threes, and we're done where we can't win this one.

881
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 2: Like they're gonna keep firing, They're gonna keep shooting, and

882
00:44:58,000 --> 00:44:59,800
Speaker 2: either one of these teams can just get hot and

883
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:02,360
Speaker 2: a ton of threes. So I want to save my

884
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:04,440
Speaker 2: money on this, and I want to live bet in

885
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 2: game and bet on underdogs to come back on like

886
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:12,440
Speaker 2: Big Plus Juice money lines, and I also want to

887
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 2: save my money. And I think that the Bucks. I

888
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 2: think a best case scenario for the bus is to

889
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 2: be up two to one after three. That's not saying

890
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 2: a lot, I realize, But I don't think the Bucks

891
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:28,919
Speaker 2: are just going to figure out the heat and great,

892
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 2: we did it, we got our home games, we figure

893
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 2: them out, and we're coasting the victory. So I think

894
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:36,759
Speaker 2: there's going to be a spot that if I like

895
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 2: the Bucks, and I do, I'm going to get them

896
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:41,880
Speaker 2: at a better number than what I can get right now.

897
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:45,279
Speaker 2: So I'm not betting on them now even though I

898
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:48,400
Speaker 2: like them, but I want to bet. I want to

899
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:52,359
Speaker 2: bet them live and I'm willing to bet Miami live

900
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:56,440
Speaker 2: just on shooting variants, and I think this is just

901
00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 2: going to be a shooting contest again, and that's scary.

902
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 4: I'm staying away. This is why I just I can't

903
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:04,800
Speaker 4: bet on and I hate not betting out a playoffs

904
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 4: series pains, but I can't bet on this one. Look

905
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:12,799
Speaker 4: if Miami comes out in that first series. You want

906
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 4: to what I'm worried about. Word about Trevor Reza. I'm

907
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 4: not even kidding. He's a thirty two percent shooter this year,

908
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:19,560
Speaker 4: and I'm worried about Trevor Reza being Jay Crowder. H

909
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:23,319
Speaker 4: Jay Crowder led every single player in the second round

910
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:26,320
Speaker 4: of the playoffs last year in three pointers made of

911
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:29,880
Speaker 4: all players last season to play in the second round,

912
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 4: despite the fact that the that the Heat won for one.

913
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 4: Jay Crowder made the most threes of any player of

914
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:41,279
Speaker 4: any player in the playoffs in the second round. Jae Crowder. Uh,

915
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 4: they covered Duncan Robinson. Well, the Bucks have shown a

916
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 4: lot more defensive versatility this year. They've deployed zone, they

917
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 4: can switch, they can blitz a little bit more, they

918
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:50,759
Speaker 4: can go small ball, which is why I think what

919
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 4: they're probably gonna do a lot more is they're gonna

920
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:56,880
Speaker 4: put Tucker in and switch everything. They're gonna start Giannis

921
00:46:56,960 --> 00:47:01,520
Speaker 4: on Bam and put like Tucker on Butler and just

922
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:03,320
Speaker 4: be like, all right, we're just gonna switch everything. And

923
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 4: if you want to run Jimmy Butler Bam, pick and roll,

924
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 4: we're just gonna switch that and have fun with Giannis

925
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:16,960
Speaker 4: on on Jimmy. That's probably better. It's more effective the Heat.

926
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:21,800
Speaker 4: This is these these playoffs are a great test of

927
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:26,440
Speaker 4: whether or not the there there's a lot of research

928
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:29,279
Speaker 4: that says that the teams don't get hot at the

929
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:31,759
Speaker 4: right time, that that just isn't the thing. It's just

930
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:35,120
Speaker 4: it's not it's there's a lot more data to suggested. Basically,

931
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 4: the way you start the season and the way you

932
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:38,960
Speaker 4: play in the middle of the season are more correlated

933
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:41,800
Speaker 4: with postseason success than the end of the season. And

934
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:44,320
Speaker 4: there's a lot of reasons for that. The Heat have

935
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 4: played absolutely great basketball over the last month and a half,

936
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:49,919
Speaker 4: like they have earned. They moved themselves up from being

937
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:53,719
Speaker 4: a playing team. They could have been five if they'd

938
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:57,400
Speaker 4: really pushed the envelope and instead they wanted to. I

939
00:47:57,440 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 4: think they were fine with six. I think they're comfortable

940
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:02,920
Speaker 4: in this. I think they like this matchup. I just

941
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:04,879
Speaker 4: don't have a feel for it. Like, yes, the Bucks

942
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:06,919
Speaker 4: should win, but the Bucks should have won the last

943
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 4: two seasons. Like if we're just talking about like better,

944
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:11,399
Speaker 4: the argument of the Bucks is just like, well there's

945
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 4: the better team, Like they're just way better. They're just

946
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 4: like a better team. They've been the better team the

947
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:18,919
Speaker 4: last two years. They were a better team the Raptors. Don't.

948
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 4: Don't start with me on this, Like I don't believe it.

949
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 5: I don't believe that.

950
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:25,319
Speaker 4: You can talk all, you can say that all you want, man,

951
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 4: But like the Bucks were the number one defense that

952
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:30,439
Speaker 4: played the fastest pace. The only team that ever ever

953
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:33,480
Speaker 4: other do that was the Golden State Warriors and they had.

954
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:36,360
Speaker 5: The top had time. I mean, like, but I just

955
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:39,800
Speaker 5: I felt like rating who's the better team, it was

956
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:42,239
Speaker 5: it was the Bucks, But I didn't believe that they

957
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:43,560
Speaker 5: matched up as well.

958
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:47,239
Speaker 4: But that's the point. That's the point I got right,

959
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:50,600
Speaker 4: Like it's not it's like it's like the Bucks were

960
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 4: the better team, but the Raptors matched up.

961
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, And that that's really what it comes down to.

962
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:58,080
Speaker 4: And that's what happened two years in a row. The

963
00:48:58,120 --> 00:48:58,960
Speaker 4: Bucks were the better team.

964
00:48:59,080 --> 00:48:59,840
Speaker 3: Last year.

965
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:03,880
Speaker 4: The Heat matched up. I agree with with what Brandon

966
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:05,840
Speaker 4: said about like there was there was a lot of

967
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:08,719
Speaker 4: stuff going on, Like yeah, I don't want to make

968
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:10,680
Speaker 4: it about one player because like it was a collective

969
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:12,600
Speaker 4: thing and like these issues were much more important. And

970
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:15,279
Speaker 4: I'm totally understanding and supportive of all those things. George

971
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:16,879
Speaker 4: all was literally like, we don't want to be here.

972
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 4: Like George Jill was like, we don't want to be here.

973
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:21,520
Speaker 4: We shouldn't be here, you know because because of what's

974
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 4: going on after George Floyd, and by that I mean

975
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:26,839
Speaker 4: what's gone on in this country for two hundred years,

976
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:30,640
Speaker 4: so three hundred years, so like these things are all

977
00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:36,319
Speaker 4: like true, I can't I just I cannot trust Bud.

978
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:40,200
Speaker 4: I just can't do it. Like it's not even even

979
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:42,960
Speaker 4: if he throws out like, oh, we we switched up coverages,

980
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:44,960
Speaker 4: all right, Well what if Spoe anticipates that and he

981
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:48,400
Speaker 4: counters you do I trust Bud to make another adjustment.

982
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:52,279
Speaker 4: If the heat finds something that works, is Bud gonna

983
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:54,319
Speaker 4: find an answer for it? Or is he just going

984
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:56,480
Speaker 4: to be like, well, no, we switched up coverages. It's

985
00:49:56,520 --> 00:49:58,360
Speaker 4: like that's not enough, man. You gotta you have to

986
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:01,200
Speaker 4: find a weak point and you have to attack it

987
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:03,879
Speaker 4: on both ends. And I don't trust them, So I'm

988
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:05,840
Speaker 4: staying away from the series in tailand I can't goin it.

989
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:06,399
Speaker 4: I can't.

990
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:10,480
Speaker 2: So, okay, I think the interesting case for me for

991
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:12,719
Speaker 2: the bucks, if I was going to bet right now,

992
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:15,840
Speaker 2: I wouldn't bet on the series. I think if I

993
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:18,319
Speaker 2: don't feel confident enough that the Bucks could win four

994
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:20,759
Speaker 2: or five, and I do not, then I think that

995
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:22,879
Speaker 2: the better play is to wait for the right moment,

996
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:24,840
Speaker 2: wait till they're one to one in the series and

997
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:27,160
Speaker 2: lost a home game, wait till they're trailing in a

998
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:28,440
Speaker 2: game and going for comeback.

999
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:29,040
Speaker 3: Something like that.

1000
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:33,440
Speaker 2: I'm intrigued by. I think they're at plus nine hundred

1001
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:36,320
Speaker 2: to win the title right now. I'm intrigued by just

1002
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:41,480
Speaker 2: the the okay, look, Nikola Jokic has been the best

1003
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:43,719
Speaker 2: player in the NBA this season. I think we agree

1004
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:46,560
Speaker 2: with that. We all agree he's the MVP. We also

1005
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:49,839
Speaker 2: all agree that the Nuggets aren't title contenders, so they're

1006
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:53,719
Speaker 2: not really in the real picture of things. So, just

1007
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:57,239
Speaker 2: like thinking about the War of Attrition, I don't know

1008
00:50:57,560 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 2: if I trust the Lakers and Lebron and Anthony Day

1009
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 2: and their health to hold up. I don't know if

1010
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:04,279
Speaker 2: I trust the Nets and what happens with all of

1011
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:06,799
Speaker 2: their guys and their health the hold up. I don't

1012
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 2: know that I trust the Sixers or the Jazz with

1013
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:13,279
Speaker 2: matchup issues and just what their teams are like. Bud

1014
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:16,279
Speaker 2: is from the pop Tree. The whole pop thing was

1015
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:20,319
Speaker 2: being a it is still being a really good team

1016
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:23,839
Speaker 2: that's good enough to win if the opportunity is there.

1017
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:26,759
Speaker 2: Maybe that's what the Bucks are. They've been a really

1018
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:28,880
Speaker 2: good team all these years. We just said that, like

1019
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:31,080
Speaker 2: they're net rating as high. All the things are good.

1020
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:34,040
Speaker 2: They maybe haven't had that extra thing, that extra gear,

1021
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 2: or maybe that's not a thing. Maybe the playoffs come

1022
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:39,919
Speaker 2: down to a little bit of randomness and the better

1023
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:43,960
Speaker 2: team has lost a couple of times. There's a there's

1024
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:46,400
Speaker 2: a very real case to be made that Gianna Sandekumpo

1025
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:51,440
Speaker 2: is the best player in the playoffs. Like that, Jokic

1026
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:54,640
Speaker 2: doesn't really count toward the real real playoffs when they

1027
00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:57,480
Speaker 2: get there. So Yannis by like by all the advanced

1028
00:51:57,480 --> 00:51:59,839
Speaker 2: metrics and everything has for the last like two thirds

1029
00:51:59,840 --> 00:52:03,440
Speaker 2: of the season, then at least second and ahead of

1030
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:04,719
Speaker 2: you more people.

1031
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:07,200
Speaker 5: Here, Jiannas is not the best player in the playoffs.

1032
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:09,960
Speaker 2: I'm just saying he's been the best player in the

1033
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:12,759
Speaker 2: regular season other than Jokich for the last like two

1034
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:13,640
Speaker 2: thirds of the season.

1035
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:14,680
Speaker 3: We haven't seen them.

1036
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:17,600
Speaker 5: He can't he can't be the best player in the playoffs.

1037
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:21,080
Speaker 5: When you could just build a wall and stop him

1038
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:22,960
Speaker 5: from going to the rim, and then there's nothing that

1039
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:26,359
Speaker 5: he can do right. And then also I think when

1040
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:29,920
Speaker 5: it comes to the Bucks Championship aspirations, them not taking

1041
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:33,160
Speaker 5: in the way that the Clippers did, it's pretty much

1042
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:35,800
Speaker 5: eliminated them from winning the championship as far as I'm concerned.

1043
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:38,480
Speaker 5: Like to me, they're gonna have to go through the

1044
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:41,440
Speaker 5: Miami Heat, and everybody on this call is giving them

1045
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:44,520
Speaker 5: the Miami Heat. Respect Matt just said he wants to

1046
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:47,200
Speaker 5: stay away from the series. You just got cold feet

1047
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:50,799
Speaker 5: after telling us that you wanted that matchup. So they

1048
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:53,000
Speaker 5: gotta go through the Miami Heat. Then they're gonna have

1049
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:55,080
Speaker 5: to go through the Brooklyn Nets, and then they're gonna

1050
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:57,400
Speaker 5: have to go through the Philadelphia seventy six ers just

1051
00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:00,359
Speaker 5: to get to the NBA Finals, and then I'm gonna

1052
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:02,279
Speaker 5: have to beat whoever comes out of the West. This

1053
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:06,000
Speaker 5: is the toughest role we've seen since the Oklahoma City

1054
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:09,480
Speaker 5: Thunder had to beat a sixty seven win of Spurs

1055
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:13,000
Speaker 5: team and then go through the seventy three and nine

1056
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:15,040
Speaker 5: Golden State Warriors just to get to the finals.

1057
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:17,880
Speaker 4: You're gonna make Lebron magically appear on the zoom just

1058
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 4: to yell about how.

1059
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 1: Hard is Lebron James oldest starting player in the NBA.

1060
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:27,440
Speaker 5: But if you look at Dirk in twenty eleven when

1061
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:32,040
Speaker 5: they went through the Brandon Roy's Blazers, Kobe's Lakers, Kevin

1062
00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:35,719
Speaker 5: Durant Thunder, and then the Miami Heat Big Three, that's

1063
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:38,440
Speaker 5: what the Bucks are gonna have to do. And I'm

1064
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:41,640
Speaker 5: not betting on them doing it. That's crazy. Talk to me, like,

1065
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:44,200
Speaker 5: if they do that, then our crown them is like,

1066
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:46,520
Speaker 5: this is probably one of the greatest championships I've seen,

1067
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:47,600
Speaker 5: But they're not doing that.

1068
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:50,200
Speaker 4: I just don't go in morning. If they get past

1069
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:52,480
Speaker 4: the Heat, I'm probably betting Bucks versus the hit Nuts Nuts.

1070
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:53,000
Speaker 4: That's round.

1071
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:55,320
Speaker 5: I'm not mad at that. I'm not mad at that

1072
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:57,480
Speaker 5: at all. I think that's how I bet I'm probably

1073
00:53:57,520 --> 00:53:57,759
Speaker 5: doing that.

1074
00:53:58,000 --> 00:53:58,640
Speaker 4: I'll just think about it.

1075
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:01,399
Speaker 5: Did to do the work expecting them to win these

1076
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:03,400
Speaker 5: four series, that's a lot.

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Speaker 2: I think to The argument to me is not that

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00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:07,640
Speaker 2: the Bucks are going to be the better team in

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00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 2: all those four series. I think that you're right that,

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00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:13,440
Speaker 2: like the road, the theoretical road is very hard I

1081
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:17,160
Speaker 2: think that my theory is that I think the Bucks

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00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:20,000
Speaker 2: floor is much higher than most of these other teams.

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00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:23,439
Speaker 2: I think my theory is it's a weird year. These

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00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:26,239
Speaker 2: teams are all injured, they're all in shambles after all

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00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:30,200
Speaker 2: these games, and what happens when inevitably some of these

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00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:33,440
Speaker 2: teams aren't what they're supposed to be and we get

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00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:35,600
Speaker 2: to round two and the Nets are missing one of

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00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:38,240
Speaker 2: their three and the Lakers didn't make the finals because

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00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:43,040
Speaker 2: Davis or Lebron didn't hold up. Like, if the road

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00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:46,000
Speaker 2: isn't what we think the Bucks, the Bucks are never

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00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:48,120
Speaker 2: just going to be terrible. The Bucks are still going

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00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:50,160
Speaker 2: to be what the Bucks are. I mean, they could

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00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:52,520
Speaker 2: get hurt too, but like compared to the other teams,

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00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:55,439
Speaker 2: if they have the higher floor, I just give them

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00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:57,759
Speaker 2: a chance in all of these and like by a

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00:54:57,840 --> 00:55:01,200
Speaker 2: war of attrition, the attrition is happening all year, and

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00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:03,719
Speaker 2: I think that the Bucks are well positioned to win

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00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:04,480
Speaker 2: a war of attrition.

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Speaker 6: to the show.

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Speaker 4: I have a massive futures position on every team. Basically

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00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:41,200
Speaker 4: at this point, I myself a million ways from Sunday

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00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:43,640
Speaker 4: based off of basically getting the best of the line.

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00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:46,040
Speaker 4: No matter what I'm doing, my position's okay right now,

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00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:49,160
Speaker 4: like I'm guaranteed to profit, and I'll increase my positions

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00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:51,840
Speaker 4: as we get things more solid solidified. But here's my

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00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:56,160
Speaker 4: question for you. What's the bad matchup left for the Bucks?

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00:56:56,320 --> 00:56:58,560
Speaker 4: What team is the bad matchup for them? If it's

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00:56:58,600 --> 00:57:01,920
Speaker 4: not the Heat, what is it any three point shooting?

1139
00:57:02,080 --> 00:57:05,040
Speaker 4: The thing is many team who could truly hit the

1140
00:57:05,120 --> 00:57:07,520
Speaker 4: three as a bad matchup. But it's like in the

1141
00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:10,799
Speaker 4: case of Brooklyn, they're a bad matchup for Brooklyn too.

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00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:11,520
Speaker 3: Yeah.

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00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:14,160
Speaker 4: See, here's the big thing is it's not about the

1144
00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:16,920
Speaker 4: three point because like they contain, they really have. Last

1145
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:20,440
Speaker 4: two seasons, they contained Lowry from three and they contained

1146
00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:23,360
Speaker 4: they did a good job on Kawhi, and they contained

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00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:26,720
Speaker 4: ogn andob the guy that they left was Fred van Vliet.

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00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:31,320
Speaker 1: The nemesis, Fred van Vliet.

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00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:33,800
Speaker 4: Like that's who they were. Like, Okay, if van Bleet,

1150
00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:35,800
Speaker 4: who shot like thirty two percent this season goes off,

1151
00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:39,160
Speaker 4: we're gonna lose. Yeah, they lost. And then last year

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00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:41,600
Speaker 4: it was like, okay, if Jay Crowder, who's never been

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00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:45,160
Speaker 4: a solid three point consistent shooter in the NBA has

1154
00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:47,720
Speaker 4: the best second round performance, we're gonna lose.

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Speaker 5: They lost.

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00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:51,840
Speaker 4: Right, So the question here is like now you could

1157
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:54,960
Speaker 4: say with a net is Joe Harris, Like that's the guy, right,

1158
00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:57,440
Speaker 4: is like you have to hire you have to respect Kyrie,

1159
00:57:57,520 --> 00:57:59,640
Speaker 4: you have to expect Kdie, you have to respect Harden.

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00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:03,160
Speaker 4: You can't guard all those guys and Heart and Harris.

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00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:05,520
Speaker 4: But I'm with you. I don't think the Nets are

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00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:07,520
Speaker 4: a good matchup. Like I don't think the Nets are

1163
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:09,919
Speaker 4: match up well with the Bucks. I think the Bucks

1164
00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:13,040
Speaker 4: match up well with the Nuts, and so like I

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00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:15,480
Speaker 4: look at it, and I'm just like, if they get

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00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:16,400
Speaker 4: past this heat team.

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Speaker 5: Honestly, I know you are a Katie Truther.

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00:58:20,120 --> 00:58:23,240
Speaker 1: The Kevin Durant Revenge Tour, and.

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Speaker 5: I realized this working with you over the last two months.

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Speaker 5: I'm not a Katie Truper. To me, that's a series

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00:58:29,720 --> 00:58:32,200
Speaker 5: where Katie is going to be taking a whole bunch

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00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:36,240
Speaker 5: of mid range jump shots trying to he can shoot

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00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:37,160
Speaker 5: them out of that series.

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00:58:37,680 --> 00:58:40,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, look, the way to do is just

1175
00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:42,640
Speaker 4: to switch on them, like it's that's why you get

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00:58:42,680 --> 00:58:44,560
Speaker 4: Tucker is you just do what the Rockets did. You

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Speaker 4: just switch everything and.

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Speaker 5: You just let him. You let him take as many

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00:58:48,880 --> 00:58:51,800
Speaker 5: isolations as you want, because he's not going to pass

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00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:53,680
Speaker 5: it to Joe Harris. He's not going to pass it

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00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:57,400
Speaker 5: to Kyrie. It's like this man's passing is going to

1182
00:58:57,480 --> 00:59:00,840
Speaker 5: be So I'm just being honest. The more he has

1183
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:04,240
Speaker 5: the ball and the less Carton has the ball, the

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00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:05,160
Speaker 5: more they in trouble.

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Speaker 4: Okay, I'm all right, we'll get to that in the

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00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:10,400
Speaker 4: second round. Let's wrap up with it with the other

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00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:12,800
Speaker 4: two remaining series. We do not have as of this morning,

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00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:15,080
Speaker 4: who the Sixers are going to play let's talk Nets

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00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:18,959
Speaker 4: Celtics very quickly. Hey, if Tatum scores fifty every single

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00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:21,880
Speaker 4: time Brandon can, then can they beat the Nets?

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00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:24,920
Speaker 2: Did he really score fifty? Though it wasn't a regular

1192
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:28,360
Speaker 2: season game or a playoff game. The game has been

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Speaker 2: lost to history. It never happened.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Look, I think that Boston is exactly who Brooklyn needed

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00:59:36,640 --> 00:59:39,080
Speaker 2: to play in the first round. I think it's it's

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00:59:39,160 --> 00:59:41,400
Speaker 2: the worst draw of the four for them, but it's

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00:59:41,480 --> 00:59:45,520
Speaker 2: exactly like the Nets three stars have played eight games together,

1199
00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:49,280
Speaker 2: eight together. Ever, this series could go seven. There could

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00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:52,320
Speaker 2: be as many games against the Celtics in one series

1201
00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:54,760
Speaker 2: as they've played the entire season together.

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00:59:55,200 --> 00:59:56,760
Speaker 3: I don't think it's going to go seven.

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00:59:57,320 --> 01:00:00,960
Speaker 2: I like for Brooklyn's long term hope that they have

1204
01:00:01,160 --> 01:00:04,920
Speaker 2: to face a gritty team, a team that has been

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01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:06,960
Speaker 2: here before, a team that's going to show up every

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01:00:07,080 --> 01:00:09,120
Speaker 2: night and make them work for it, like we've talked

1207
01:00:09,120 --> 01:00:11,560
Speaker 2: all season about, like we need to see them earn

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01:00:11,640 --> 01:00:15,400
Speaker 2: their medal and like and go through it and actually

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Speaker 2: show up together.

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Speaker 3: This is the series for that.

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Speaker 2: And I'm confident in the Nets to win the series

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01:00:21,840 --> 01:00:24,880
Speaker 2: because they just have so much talent that and it's

1213
01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:28,840
Speaker 2: it's presumptively healthy and actually going to be there now.

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Speaker 3: I can't believe.

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01:00:30,440 --> 01:00:32,880
Speaker 2: So the Nets finished the season with the number one

1216
01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:37,040
Speaker 2: offense guys last year the Mavericks had. Last year's Mavericks

1217
01:00:37,080 --> 01:00:40,040
Speaker 2: had the number one rated offense of all time, And

1218
01:00:40,160 --> 01:00:42,720
Speaker 2: this season, I think six offenses.

1219
01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:46,320
Speaker 3: Beat that team. And despite that, and despite that we.

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Speaker 2: Got like a combined one season from Durant and Harden

1221
01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:51,760
Speaker 2: and missed a third of a season from Kyrie and

1222
01:00:51,840 --> 01:00:53,479
Speaker 2: never got these guys together, they were.

1223
01:00:53,400 --> 01:00:55,880
Speaker 3: Still the number one offense of all time.

1224
01:00:56,680 --> 01:01:01,000
Speaker 2: Like, I think we're underestimating just how good this offense

1225
01:01:01,200 --> 01:01:04,800
Speaker 2: is and how talented this team is. My position on

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01:01:04,840 --> 01:01:07,960
Speaker 2: the Nets in this series and in any series against

1227
01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:11,480
Speaker 2: any team is if these guys are healthy, I just

1228
01:01:11,680 --> 01:01:14,320
Speaker 2: think the Nets have a real chance to just like

1229
01:01:14,640 --> 01:01:17,640
Speaker 2: just steamroll through. I think the Nets of so much talent,

1230
01:01:18,120 --> 01:01:21,200
Speaker 2: and I so don't trust the remainder of the options

1231
01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:23,520
Speaker 2: that I think that the Nets are are going to

1232
01:01:23,560 --> 01:01:26,680
Speaker 2: plow through. But I think that there's the chance here.

1233
01:01:26,880 --> 01:01:29,440
Speaker 2: Like I think of this the two thousand and eight

1234
01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:34,560
Speaker 2: Celtics in the first round, when it like we were like,

1235
01:01:34,720 --> 01:01:38,040
Speaker 2: oh no, Kevin Garnett and the playoffs. Oh no, Paul

1236
01:01:38,120 --> 01:01:41,160
Speaker 2: peers in reality and like what's happening, and like it

1237
01:01:41,520 --> 01:01:44,440
Speaker 2: took them some time to find themselves and then they

1238
01:01:44,560 --> 01:01:47,640
Speaker 2: pushed through. I think I don't know what the lines

1239
01:01:47,680 --> 01:01:49,960
Speaker 2: are gonna look like, but you know, you can get

1240
01:01:50,480 --> 01:01:52,720
Speaker 2: over five and a half games at plus one eighty

1241
01:01:53,120 --> 01:01:56,880
Speaker 2: seven games at plus six hundred. I'm not particularly worried

1242
01:01:56,880 --> 01:01:58,960
Speaker 2: the Nets are going to lose this series. You know,

1243
01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:02,080
Speaker 2: if it goes to seven games, than anything can happen,

1244
01:02:02,200 --> 01:02:04,160
Speaker 2: Like that's the whole thing of what we're saying. But

1245
01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:07,440
Speaker 2: I will like Boston to take a game or a

1246
01:02:07,480 --> 01:02:10,160
Speaker 2: couple of games and push them. I just think that

1247
01:02:10,280 --> 01:02:13,360
Speaker 2: that's good for the Nets in the long run. I

1248
01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:15,320
Speaker 2: think this is this is the right matchup for their

1249
01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:19,640
Speaker 2: title hopes, because it's gonna force them to figure themselves

1250
01:02:19,720 --> 01:02:22,320
Speaker 2: out and like they're about to become a real boy

1251
01:02:22,440 --> 01:02:23,520
Speaker 2: over the next couple of weeks.

1252
01:02:25,680 --> 01:02:28,520
Speaker 4: Brandon last night in Our Slack was basically like, do

1253
01:02:28,640 --> 01:02:30,440
Speaker 4: you even have to talk about the series? This is

1254
01:02:30,520 --> 01:02:32,760
Speaker 4: like such a joke. These teams are all terrible, and

1255
01:02:32,800 --> 01:02:37,000
Speaker 4: then he gives like a five minute soliloquy on Net Celtics,

1256
01:02:37,320 --> 01:02:41,240
Speaker 4: just classic stuff from Brandon Anderson. I'm probably gonna met

1257
01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:42,840
Speaker 4: I'll say, the only thing I'm probably gonna put on

1258
01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:46,480
Speaker 4: the series, I'm probably gonna bet NETS four to oher

1259
01:02:46,720 --> 01:02:50,440
Speaker 4: and Nets for one. That's probably on my bet is

1260
01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:54,600
Speaker 4: I mean, like, we don't have a lot on the series.

1261
01:02:54,640 --> 01:02:59,400
Speaker 4: Prices up GM's light. The spread at another book is

1262
01:02:59,840 --> 01:03:01,400
Speaker 4: you can get nets Mis two and a half and

1263
01:03:01,440 --> 01:03:03,880
Speaker 4: Mis two twenty. I don't like that. I'd rather try

1264
01:03:03,960 --> 01:03:06,040
Speaker 4: and I'd rather just bet the four to one in

1265
01:03:06,080 --> 01:03:08,920
Speaker 4: the four to zero. I just don't think the Celtics

1266
01:03:08,920 --> 01:03:11,000
Speaker 4: team is very very good. I think that Wizard's team

1267
01:03:12,080 --> 01:03:15,320
Speaker 4: was plucky and took it and found its spots late

1268
01:03:15,400 --> 01:03:17,720
Speaker 4: in the season versus a team that versus teams that

1269
01:03:17,800 --> 01:03:21,880
Speaker 4: were either you banged up, resting, tanking, whatever it was,

1270
01:03:22,040 --> 01:03:24,000
Speaker 4: and found their way into this playoff spot. Like I

1271
01:03:24,080 --> 01:03:25,800
Speaker 4: actually think they should have lost that Hornets game, and

1272
01:03:25,840 --> 01:03:29,400
Speaker 4: maybe I don't get killed in that Pacers Hornets game yesterday,

1273
01:03:31,000 --> 01:03:33,920
Speaker 4: But in general, I just don't think that. I think

1274
01:03:33,920 --> 01:03:36,600
Speaker 4: that there's a gap between the Celtics, the Wizards and

1275
01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:40,560
Speaker 4: the Celtics and then the Wizard's Hornets and Pacers, but

1276
01:03:40,640 --> 01:03:42,200
Speaker 4: I don't think it's as wid as the gap between

1277
01:03:42,200 --> 01:03:44,040
Speaker 4: the Celtics and the Nets, and I just think that

1278
01:03:45,560 --> 01:03:48,720
Speaker 4: there's so much firepower and without Jalen Brown, you're not

1279
01:03:48,800 --> 01:03:50,920
Speaker 4: going to be able to defend those guys. But you're

1280
01:03:51,000 --> 01:03:53,200
Speaker 4: just not You're not gonna be able to And for

1281
01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:54,960
Speaker 4: the Big three, I only think they need all three.

1282
01:03:55,080 --> 01:03:56,760
Speaker 4: I think as long as two were playing their phone.

1283
01:03:57,120 --> 01:04:00,920
Speaker 4: So I think this is a big Ciriously, I think

1284
01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:05,400
Speaker 4: this is a big Kyrie narrative series with him getting

1285
01:04:06,040 --> 01:04:09,320
Speaker 4: revenge on the team that he left, that he asked

1286
01:04:09,360 --> 01:04:13,959
Speaker 4: to be traded to and then left. I'm just gonna

1287
01:04:13,960 --> 01:04:15,720
Speaker 4: be on the nuts here. I just I think there

1288
01:04:15,760 --> 01:04:17,680
Speaker 4: are times when the other team is just not good enough,

1289
01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:19,680
Speaker 4: regardless of the matchup, and I think this is one

1290
01:04:19,720 --> 01:04:19,920
Speaker 4: of them.

1291
01:04:20,080 --> 01:04:23,640
Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, I agree with you. I'm honestly I think

1292
01:04:23,680 --> 01:04:26,200
Speaker 5: you kind of got to go for one. I gotta

1293
01:04:26,240 --> 01:04:29,480
Speaker 5: give Boston one game just because I have too much

1294
01:04:29,520 --> 01:04:32,080
Speaker 5: respect for Tatum at this point. But it's just I mean,

1295
01:04:32,160 --> 01:04:34,280
Speaker 5: we saw in the matchups this year they had nothing

1296
01:04:34,320 --> 01:04:36,560
Speaker 5: for this team, So I don't even think we need

1297
01:04:36,640 --> 01:04:40,040
Speaker 5: to spend a lot of time on this one, all right?

1298
01:04:40,320 --> 01:04:51,280
Speaker 4: Uh? Sixers winner of Wizards Pacers, Yes, Okay, Look, if

1299
01:04:51,360 --> 01:04:55,120
Speaker 4: Miles Turner comes back, is he coming back he didn't

1300
01:04:55,120 --> 01:05:01,200
Speaker 4: have surgery? Right? Possible? Possible if Moles Turner comes back,

1301
01:05:01,960 --> 01:05:06,120
Speaker 4: and if Dougie Buckets can shoot, maybe.

1302
01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:08,360
Speaker 3: A game like yeah, that's exactly it.

1303
01:05:08,880 --> 01:05:12,760
Speaker 4: Like like here's the thing is, like whoever gets it?

1304
01:05:12,880 --> 01:05:15,280
Speaker 4: Like the Sixers are probably going to get I'll say this,

1305
01:05:15,440 --> 01:05:17,760
Speaker 4: the Sixers are going to get heavily juiced towards the

1306
01:05:17,800 --> 01:05:20,600
Speaker 4: sweep in that series. And I don't know they'll sweep.

1307
01:05:20,800 --> 01:05:22,680
Speaker 4: I don't think that. I also don't know if the

1308
01:05:22,720 --> 01:05:25,040
Speaker 4: Sixers are good enough to sweep a team, Like are

1309
01:05:25,080 --> 01:05:27,080
Speaker 4: they focused enough? Are they just gonna put the hammer down?

1310
01:05:27,120 --> 01:05:29,080
Speaker 4: Or they absolutely Like can you see the Celtics or

1311
01:05:29,120 --> 01:05:31,480
Speaker 4: the Sixers just destroying a team? I have a hard

1312
01:05:31,520 --> 01:05:34,720
Speaker 4: time seeing that. Right, it was the Wizards of Staying Away.

1313
01:05:35,400 --> 01:05:37,520
Speaker 4: I don't want a part of it because of like

1314
01:05:37,720 --> 01:05:39,720
Speaker 4: I can't trust the Sixers. I don't think of that series.

1315
01:05:39,880 --> 01:05:42,280
Speaker 4: I definitely can't trust the Wizards. I'm mica Sixers sweep

1316
01:05:42,520 --> 01:05:45,920
Speaker 4: if it's Wizards. But here's my only Like here's what

1317
01:05:46,080 --> 01:05:49,480
Speaker 4: keeps bugging me about that game yesterday. The Pacers looked

1318
01:05:49,560 --> 01:05:52,400
Speaker 4: in that game yesterday like they did in January when

1319
01:05:52,400 --> 01:05:54,120
Speaker 4: we were talking about demonis the bonus is like an

1320
01:05:54,200 --> 01:05:56,600
Speaker 4: MVP candidate. When we were talking about how good the

1321
01:05:56,680 --> 01:05:59,240
Speaker 4: Pacers were and how yeah we were, I promise you,

1322
01:05:59,400 --> 01:06:01,600
Speaker 4: like the first like a couple of weeks of the season,

1323
01:06:01,680 --> 01:06:05,840
Speaker 4: it was like Demonics is playing out of his mind right,

1324
01:06:06,240 --> 01:06:08,800
Speaker 4: Like that was like a like and you know if

1325
01:06:08,840 --> 01:06:11,000
Speaker 4: you're like, well, it's too early, okay, But like I

1326
01:06:11,160 --> 01:06:13,840
Speaker 4: start tracking this stuff from the beginning because those games

1327
01:06:13,880 --> 01:06:17,320
Speaker 4: matter too, all right. And Sabonus was in that conversation

1328
01:06:17,960 --> 01:06:20,400
Speaker 4: that they looked like that team, like they looked like

1329
01:06:20,480 --> 01:06:22,400
Speaker 4: that team that was like there and was getting big

1330
01:06:22,480 --> 01:06:24,360
Speaker 4: wins every night and looked like a really like they

1331
01:06:24,400 --> 01:06:26,720
Speaker 4: were like man, New York friends, like come in and

1332
01:06:26,840 --> 01:06:29,200
Speaker 4: like done what they needed to do, Like we revolutionized

1333
01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:33,560
Speaker 4: the offense. So if it's Pacers, hopefully it's Wizards and

1334
01:06:33,560 --> 01:06:35,080
Speaker 4: then I just don't worry about it. I'll just bet

1335
01:06:35,440 --> 01:06:37,440
Speaker 4: like six Ers. I'll bet six Ers mince two and

1336
01:06:37,480 --> 01:06:39,720
Speaker 4: a half and be done and be done with it.

1337
01:06:40,200 --> 01:06:43,560
Speaker 5: Right, I think I'm too close to it. Like I

1338
01:06:43,840 --> 01:06:47,680
Speaker 5: struggle with the Sixers team so much just because I

1339
01:06:48,120 --> 01:06:49,880
Speaker 5: think they're they're one of those teams that I feel

1340
01:06:49,920 --> 01:06:51,919
Speaker 5: like could lose to anybody, and I don't think they're

1341
01:06:51,920 --> 01:06:54,600
Speaker 5: gonna lose the series, but I just think I got

1342
01:06:54,760 --> 01:06:58,080
Speaker 5: you example, I think it was the twenty nineteen they

1343
01:06:58,160 --> 01:07:02,000
Speaker 5: lost game one to the Nets, the D'Angelo Russell Nets

1344
01:07:02,560 --> 01:07:06,360
Speaker 5: and Karris LeVert and yep, and then they had another

1345
01:07:06,440 --> 01:07:08,240
Speaker 5: game in a series where they probably should have lost.

1346
01:07:08,280 --> 01:07:10,880
Speaker 5: So he probably could have went to a six game series.

1347
01:07:10,880 --> 01:07:15,760
Speaker 5: And I think anybody who plays this Sixers team could

1348
01:07:15,840 --> 01:07:19,120
Speaker 5: get one or two games yep, whether that's the Wizards

1349
01:07:19,240 --> 01:07:22,680
Speaker 5: or the Pacers. So I just I can't bet it.

1350
01:07:24,680 --> 01:07:24,840
Speaker 4: Ran.

1351
01:07:25,960 --> 01:07:29,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm taking the sweep. I don't think these teams

1352
01:07:29,120 --> 01:07:32,320
Speaker 2: are winning a game. That can the Sixers just come

1353
01:07:32,320 --> 01:07:35,720
Speaker 2: out and dominate someone, Yes, if it's Joelle Embiid and

1354
01:07:36,080 --> 01:07:39,200
Speaker 2: this these either one of these teams, Like he's gonna

1355
01:07:39,240 --> 01:07:43,640
Speaker 2: see Goga Pen Toddza or Alex lenn and Robin Lopez

1356
01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:46,600
Speaker 2: and he's gonna just be like, yes, here, I am

1357
01:07:46,760 --> 01:07:49,200
Speaker 2: to be the m VP for four games and put

1358
01:07:49,280 --> 01:07:51,160
Speaker 2: up all the numbers and look like the player. I

1359
01:07:51,240 --> 01:07:54,480
Speaker 2: think I am, Like he's gonna do that for for

1360
01:07:54,720 --> 01:07:58,560
Speaker 2: like one week of games and show up and and

1361
01:07:58,720 --> 01:08:01,680
Speaker 2: look like he can. This is the exact sort of

1362
01:08:01,800 --> 01:08:04,360
Speaker 2: like like the Sixers and then beat our front runners

1363
01:08:04,480 --> 01:08:07,400
Speaker 2: and love to just like plow teams when it's in

1364
01:08:07,480 --> 01:08:08,000
Speaker 2: their favor.

1365
01:08:08,680 --> 01:08:12,040
Speaker 3: And I, yeah, I think it's a sweep. I don't

1366
01:08:12,120 --> 01:08:13,520
Speaker 3: have a five minute soliloquy.

1367
01:08:14,000 --> 01:08:17,439
Speaker 2: My over under is over under one point five games

1368
01:08:17,479 --> 01:08:19,800
Speaker 2: that I just don't even bother watching this series and

1369
01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:23,000
Speaker 2: I'm taking the over taking like a Sunday afternoon nap.

1370
01:08:23,280 --> 01:08:24,160
Speaker 3: It's not happening.

1371
01:08:24,320 --> 01:08:25,800
Speaker 4: Why do you think the Pacers are so bad?

1372
01:08:26,720 --> 01:08:31,160
Speaker 2: Because they're so bad they they bleed points. Okay, if

1373
01:08:31,240 --> 01:08:34,439
Speaker 2: Miles Turner comes back, I'm going to look at it again. Look,

1374
01:08:34,800 --> 01:08:39,719
Speaker 2: I've I've somehow Malik loves Brandon writing about the Indiana Pacers.

1375
01:08:39,800 --> 01:08:43,120
Speaker 2: I've been writing about the Pacers like week for weeks now,

1376
01:08:43,600 --> 01:08:45,599
Speaker 2: so I've been watching their games. I've been following, I've

1377
01:08:45,600 --> 01:08:49,920
Speaker 2: been writing about it. Without Miles Turner overs in Pacers

1378
01:08:50,040 --> 01:08:52,679
Speaker 2: games I think are nineteen and six now this season,

1379
01:08:53,479 --> 01:08:56,320
Speaker 2: their defense has gone to shambles. They can't guard you

1380
01:08:56,439 --> 01:09:00,920
Speaker 2: one and I don't trust Brogdon's hams to stay healthy.

1381
01:09:01,400 --> 01:09:02,519
Speaker 3: LeVert is out.

1382
01:09:02,760 --> 01:09:04,240
Speaker 4: But let me ask you. Let me ask you what

1383
01:09:04,880 --> 01:09:08,160
Speaker 4: hang on, I gotta ask you. He's out. We'll see

1384
01:09:08,160 --> 01:09:13,400
Speaker 4: how long the protocol lasts. Right, Two things, One Byorkrin's

1385
01:09:13,520 --> 01:09:15,840
Speaker 4: entire thing was like x's and O's. He boned it

1386
01:09:16,120 --> 01:09:20,519
Speaker 4: on player relations. That's clear, right, Like the players did

1387
01:09:20,600 --> 01:09:23,599
Speaker 4: not like him. They played for him down the stretch.

1388
01:09:24,320 --> 01:09:27,120
Speaker 4: They got the nine seed. They killed that Hornets team

1389
01:09:27,200 --> 01:09:30,120
Speaker 4: last night. If they were out on Borkrin, they're they're

1390
01:09:30,160 --> 01:09:34,639
Speaker 4: tanking that game to get him out. Okay, talent level,

1391
01:09:34,760 --> 01:09:37,960
Speaker 4: let's like, let's really look at this Brandon, Okay, Malcolm

1392
01:09:38,040 --> 01:09:43,759
Speaker 4: Brogden demonised the bonus justin holiday, like they have guys.

1393
01:09:44,000 --> 01:09:47,360
Speaker 4: If they get Carris back, Caris like they have guys.

1394
01:09:47,960 --> 01:09:51,280
Speaker 4: I'm with you on Turner, like if if the Pacers

1395
01:09:51,320 --> 01:09:54,200
Speaker 4: announced Miles terms got miss the entire first round. Fine.

1396
01:09:54,720 --> 01:09:59,120
Speaker 4: My thing though, is with his entire thing is x's

1397
01:09:59,160 --> 01:10:05,439
Speaker 4: and O's. It's entirely x's and Oh's. It's how do

1398
01:10:05,680 --> 01:10:12,000
Speaker 4: you like? He comes from that nick nurse school right right?

1399
01:10:12,960 --> 01:10:16,680
Speaker 4: And here you know I have to come back to it.

1400
01:10:17,920 --> 01:10:19,960
Speaker 4: You know you talked about embiid. Are they just not

1401
01:10:20,040 --> 01:10:23,200
Speaker 4: going to double him? Because if they double him, he's

1402
01:10:23,240 --> 01:10:25,599
Speaker 4: not gonna look like the MVP if they double him,

1403
01:10:25,920 --> 01:10:30,000
Speaker 4: He's got a twenty percent turnover rate if you're turning

1404
01:10:30,080 --> 01:10:31,840
Speaker 4: him over with guys that can run up and down

1405
01:10:31,880 --> 01:10:35,720
Speaker 4: the floor. Like, I'm not saying they can win this

1406
01:10:35,880 --> 01:10:37,760
Speaker 4: series because I don't think they can. I'm saying that

1407
01:10:37,800 --> 01:10:39,360
Speaker 4: I don't feel I would not be I would not

1408
01:10:39,520 --> 01:10:42,880
Speaker 4: bet a sweep if it's Pacers Wizards. Okay, But I'll

1409
01:10:42,880 --> 01:10:46,160
Speaker 4: also say this, like, look, Rollos Rollo is big and

1410
01:10:46,360 --> 01:10:49,719
Speaker 4: tough and physical and is willing to like just bang

1411
01:10:49,760 --> 01:10:53,280
Speaker 4: with you. Like I don't love that Rollo matchup because

1412
01:10:53,280 --> 01:10:55,559
Speaker 4: they'll send a double two. It's like because people would

1413
01:10:55,560 --> 01:10:57,080
Speaker 4: be just be like, oh, come on, you're gonna take

1414
01:10:57,160 --> 01:10:59,280
Speaker 4: rolloversus a beat. I'm like, no, I'm taking Rollo with

1415
01:10:59,400 --> 01:11:01,920
Speaker 4: a help defend versus inpeed. But I also don't trust

1416
01:11:01,920 --> 01:11:04,040
Speaker 4: Scott Brooks that said the help, so that that's why

1417
01:11:04,080 --> 01:11:05,960
Speaker 4: I would be the other way way on it. But like,

1418
01:11:07,520 --> 01:11:12,760
Speaker 4: if the Pacers somehow win this game on Thursday, I'm

1419
01:11:12,800 --> 01:11:14,920
Speaker 4: gonna have to look at it. If Miles is out,

1420
01:11:14,960 --> 01:11:17,080
Speaker 4: then Miles is out, and I think that's tough, right,

1421
01:11:17,280 --> 01:11:20,599
Speaker 4: Miles is really important for them. But you mentioned like, well,

1422
01:11:20,600 --> 01:11:24,040
Speaker 4: they can't guard anybody but Brandon. The Sixers don't run

1423
01:11:24,120 --> 01:11:27,360
Speaker 4: offense like everybody else in the league. Sure like they're

1424
01:11:27,400 --> 01:11:29,920
Speaker 4: not running pick and roll. It's not like unless you're

1425
01:11:29,920 --> 01:11:32,160
Speaker 4: worried about Shake Milton going off for thirty a game,

1426
01:11:32,200 --> 01:11:33,280
Speaker 4: which I personally am not.

1427
01:11:35,320 --> 01:11:38,040
Speaker 2: So here here's here's the X and o's argument for

1428
01:11:39,040 --> 01:11:43,360
Speaker 2: why I think more than just Philadelphia is better, which is,

1429
01:11:43,400 --> 01:11:45,400
Speaker 2: I guess what my position was before, So here's the

1430
01:11:45,439 --> 01:11:48,519
Speaker 2: real position. The Pacers take a ton of twos. I

1431
01:11:48,640 --> 01:11:51,040
Speaker 2: know they didn't last night, but they're built to take

1432
01:11:51,040 --> 01:11:53,439
Speaker 2: a ton of twos, and they don't rebound.

1433
01:11:53,640 --> 01:11:55,479
Speaker 3: They are terrible on the glass.

1434
01:11:55,760 --> 01:11:58,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, like they So you have a team that wants

1435
01:11:58,960 --> 01:12:01,360
Speaker 2: to take a lot of twos against MBID and like

1436
01:12:01,640 --> 01:12:03,840
Speaker 2: the best, one of the best two point defenses in

1437
01:12:03,920 --> 01:12:06,360
Speaker 2: the league, that's going to crush them on the rebounds.

1438
01:12:06,840 --> 01:12:08,960
Speaker 2: The Pacers defense is built to run you off the

1439
01:12:08,960 --> 01:12:11,160
Speaker 2: three point line and funnel you to take a lot

1440
01:12:11,240 --> 01:12:13,280
Speaker 2: of twos where Miles Turner is supposed to be there

1441
01:12:13,360 --> 01:12:15,479
Speaker 2: to stop you. So they want you to take a

1442
01:12:15,560 --> 01:12:18,200
Speaker 2: lot of twos and you're playing the Sixers, who love that.

1443
01:12:18,800 --> 01:12:21,639
Speaker 2: The Wizards take the most twos in the entire league,

1444
01:12:21,960 --> 01:12:24,960
Speaker 2: their defense allows the third most twos. Like, both of

1445
01:12:25,000 --> 01:12:28,240
Speaker 2: these teams want to play the game inside the arc.

1446
01:12:28,520 --> 01:12:30,519
Speaker 2: That is not the team you want to have if

1447
01:12:30,560 --> 01:12:35,040
Speaker 2: you're facing the Sixers. So to me, I think the Wizards.

1448
01:12:35,280 --> 01:12:37,800
Speaker 2: So the Wizards lead the league and free throws made

1449
01:12:37,880 --> 01:12:41,080
Speaker 2: on the season and Philadelphia follows a ton because they're

1450
01:12:41,120 --> 01:12:45,479
Speaker 2: so aggressive defensively, so to me, like, just the Wizards

1451
01:12:45,560 --> 01:12:47,720
Speaker 2: got a billion free throws in a game and won

1452
01:12:47,760 --> 01:12:50,719
Speaker 2: a game. Suret Like I think to me, the Wizards

1453
01:12:51,120 --> 01:12:53,160
Speaker 2: have maybe a better chance of winning a game, just

1454
01:12:53,280 --> 01:12:55,639
Speaker 2: because you never know with all the free throws, both

1455
01:12:55,640 --> 01:12:58,360
Speaker 2: teams rely so much on them. But it's the whole

1456
01:12:58,400 --> 01:13:02,720
Speaker 2: thing is that both Indiana and Washington want this game

1457
01:13:02,760 --> 01:13:05,000
Speaker 2: to happen inside the arc. And if you want to

1458
01:13:05,040 --> 01:13:07,599
Speaker 2: play inside the arc, you want to play literally any

1459
01:13:07,640 --> 01:13:10,880
Speaker 2: other team in the league than Philadelphia. Like we're just

1460
01:13:11,040 --> 01:13:14,680
Speaker 2: remove the three point line and play nineteen fifties of basketball.

1461
01:13:14,920 --> 01:13:17,479
Speaker 2: Is what all three of these teams in this potential

1462
01:13:17,560 --> 01:13:20,160
Speaker 2: matchup want. And if that's the game that we're playing,

1463
01:13:20,600 --> 01:13:23,360
Speaker 2: then like I want the George micn on my team,

1464
01:13:23,680 --> 01:13:25,479
Speaker 2: not whatever is left on the other team.

1465
01:13:26,320 --> 01:13:29,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I hear you all right, we'll talk Western

1466
01:13:29,760 --> 01:13:31,920
Speaker 4: Conference on Friday. We'll go through all those and we'll

1467
01:13:31,960 --> 01:13:36,320
Speaker 4: get some final prop bets for to close up. Rahane Palmer,

1468
01:13:36,360 --> 01:13:38,320
Speaker 4: what's your best bet for the Eastern Conference first round?

1469
01:13:38,880 --> 01:13:41,080
Speaker 5: I'm going with the Milwaukee Bucks minus one and a

1470
01:13:41,120 --> 01:13:43,800
Speaker 5: half games minus two eighty.

1471
01:13:44,720 --> 01:13:49,840
Speaker 4: All right, Brandon Anderson, what's your first round best at? So?

1472
01:13:50,360 --> 01:13:53,400
Speaker 2: I think I'm taking the Atlanta Hawks minus one and

1473
01:13:53,439 --> 01:13:55,960
Speaker 2: a half to win the series. I like the Hawks,

1474
01:13:56,040 --> 01:13:58,040
Speaker 2: I don't want them to win in seven. That's a

1475
01:13:58,120 --> 01:14:00,960
Speaker 2: minus one and a half. That's plus one ninetymgm.

1476
01:14:02,600 --> 01:14:06,120
Speaker 4: I will keep it simple with a over five and

1477
01:14:06,120 --> 01:14:08,600
Speaker 4: a half miles two hundred for Hawk's heat. That's my

1478
01:14:08,680 --> 01:14:11,240
Speaker 4: best bet for the first round of the NBA Playoffs

1479
01:14:11,400 --> 01:14:12,880
Speaker 4: in the Eastern Conference. We'll be back on Friday with

1480
01:14:12,880 --> 01:14:16,080
Speaker 4: another episode talking about the Western Conference. Getting you set

1481
01:14:16,120 --> 01:14:18,200
Speaker 4: for that. We will have all but one game set

1482
01:14:18,280 --> 01:14:21,640
Speaker 4: for that series one series set. Rather, make sure to

1483
01:14:21,680 --> 01:14:23,680
Speaker 4: follow the Action Network on Twitter, download the Action app

1484
01:14:23,720 --> 01:14:26,559
Speaker 4: Network app today, get all of our plays happy hunting

1485
01:14:26,600 --> 01:14:28,280
Speaker 4: in the playoffs, and we'll talk to you guys next

1486
01:14:28,320 --> 01:14:30,479
Speaker 4: time on the Action Network NBA podcast.

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Speaker 6: We're finished talking