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Speaker 4: Oh, I love to hear Kevin Harlan on a Monday

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Speaker 4: night recap doubleheader, the last one of the year. And yes,

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Speaker 4: I'd love to hear a little offense on this night.

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Speaker 4: Jamir Gibbs from seventy eight yards out, part of a

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Speaker 4: twenty four to nine Lions victory over the Bucks. Yes,

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Speaker 4: on a Monday night that was full of defense. We're

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Speaker 4: not gonna start with the Texans and the Sea OTAs. Frankly,

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Speaker 4: the Houston Texans do not deserve it. I want better

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Speaker 4: for everyone who has stayed up late and is watching

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Speaker 4: us live. I want better for Nick Shook. It's one

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Speaker 4: to Jamir Gibbs and his incredible day over two hundred

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Speaker 4: because I thought that was a impressive, defining defensive performance

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Speaker 2: Yeah, at this point the doubleheader, it might feel as

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Speaker 2: be filled with energy for how late this show is, right,

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Speaker 2: That's what the energy that the Lions brought to the

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Speaker 2: field tonight. They're missing guys all over the place. Taryn

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Speaker 2: We're going to see contributions from guys we've probably never

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Speaker 2: I mean, what an inspired performance shutting down one of

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Speaker 2: to them and very hostile environment to the Buccaneers. A massive,

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Speaker 4: Love the early comments keeping coming. Someone saying that the

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Speaker 4: Lions secondary tonight should be called the legion whom, which

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Speaker 4: It's sort of been a thing over the years of

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Speaker 4: We got white Side, Mike Whiteside making plays all over

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it was the results of the collective effort.

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Speaker 2: You get twenty pressures from your front, that's a thirty

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Speaker 2: seven percent pressure rate. That's how you knock Baker Mayfield

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Speaker 2: When you lose that amount of defensive backs, typically your

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Speaker 2: Hallett I know is Mike Halt, the offensive line coach

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Speaker 2: defensively on a night when Jared Goff did not look comfortable,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Like you mentioned the missed opportunities in the first half.

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Speaker 4: it was just a bad night. It happens. Great quarterbacks

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I actually texted my buddy, die hard Buccaneers fan.

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Speaker 2: That's just what they do. And he's also without Bucky Irving.

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Speaker 2: They flopped like they flat out offensively flopped all night.

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Speaker 2: I'm not saying it's a concerning sign for them long term,

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Speaker 2: and Golf will probably play better. But he is a

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Speaker 2: guy that very much needs an ideal situation that starts

432
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Speaker 2: with the offensive line in order to reach his maximum potential.

433
00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:02,119
Speaker 2: Can just admit, now, I mean you lost, you know,

434
00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:04,600
Speaker 2: your starting center who is like a pillar of your

435
00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:06,560
Speaker 2: franchise in Frank Ragnow you're not going to be as

436
00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:08,200
Speaker 2: good and that's fine and.

437
00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:11,439
Speaker 4: They and they might improve throughout the course of the season.

438
00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:14,720
Speaker 4: Shout out to Jonesy who says, y'all dedicated. Respect. I

439
00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:18,000
Speaker 4: mean it's late here, but it's one fifty two for Shook.

440
00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:21,800
Speaker 4: I love the energy that that he is bringing. And

441
00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:24,320
Speaker 4: the golf thing makes me think sometimes the team that

442
00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:27,760
Speaker 4: actually does get over the hump. This happens sometimes with

443
00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:30,720
Speaker 4: Patriots teams. What happened with with Colts team. It's happened

444
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Speaker 4: with you know, like the Aaron Rodgers team that broke

445
00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:36,280
Speaker 4: through and won the Super Bowl. Like sometimes it's the

446
00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:38,280
Speaker 4: teams that you don't see coming the whole time. And

447
00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:41,640
Speaker 4: to me, my biggest takeaway from tonight, and that's why

448
00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:44,399
Speaker 4: I started the show, and really from the beginning of

449
00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:47,040
Speaker 4: this season in the NFC, especially the NFC North is

450
00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:50,880
Speaker 4: I think the line's upgraded at defensive coordinator. I'm test

451
00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:54,880
Speaker 4: driving this take. I agreed, and I think I think

452
00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:57,439
Speaker 4: this defense really has a chance because when they get healthier,

453
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Speaker 4: they got Ali McNeil back. We should have mentioned that

454
00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:03,800
Speaker 4: Fat snaps tonight. He was walking back those Tampa guards

455
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Speaker 4: on some plays. He had a pass deflection. He made

456
00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:10,400
Speaker 4: a real impact. Al KaDee Muhammad had eight pressures.

457
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Speaker 2: In this game, continues to play well.

458
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Speaker 4: I just think they might have something there if they

459
00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:18,560
Speaker 4: can just get healthier on the back end, and they

460
00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:22,199
Speaker 4: should that they'll be a more complete team than the

461
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Speaker 4: one that made it to the NFC Championship Game two

462
00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:26,840
Speaker 4: years ago, and then certainly the one that just got

463
00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:31,480
Speaker 4: decimated by injuries. And they they're just I love this

464
00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:34,359
Speaker 4: Lion's team and I love that they're in the center

465
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Speaker 4: of the NFL. There's a question, you know, from one

466
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Speaker 4: of the viewers right now, who's better right now? Packers

467
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Speaker 4: are Lions. I'll let you answer, sir.

468
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Speaker 2: I don't think the Packers have put together one complete

469
00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:46,119
Speaker 2: game this year, and Matt Lafour kind of alluded to

470
00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:49,040
Speaker 2: that today when being asked about Aaron Rodgers of all things,

471
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Speaker 2: and their upcoming game against the Steelers, and I think

472
00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:53,680
Speaker 2: he was accurate in that they've had flashes. I think

473
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Speaker 2: Jordan Love hasn't put together a complete game yet, even

474
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Speaker 2: the forty to forty tigh Their defense, you know, was

475
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Speaker 2: a problem in that game. Their potential is maybe higher.

476
00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:06,720
Speaker 2: We have less evidence to justify that, but the Lions.

477
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Speaker 2: If I had to trust either team right now, I'm

478
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Speaker 2: trusting the Lions for the reasons that Greg just laid out,

479
00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:14,520
Speaker 2: Like Kelvin Shepperd's doing a fantastic job as a first

480
00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:16,439
Speaker 2: year defensive coordator. I wanted a joke like, so are

481
00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:18,360
Speaker 2: you saying he's like the twenty twenty six head coach

482
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Speaker 2: of the Tennessee Titans. At this rate may often that

483
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Speaker 2: they lose their coordinators. So if I trust what if

484
00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:25,760
Speaker 2: I trust either of these teams? The Lions right now.

485
00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:28,280
Speaker 2: Packers may have the higher ceiling, but they haven't proven

486
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Speaker 2: it yet.

487
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Speaker 4: Shepherd does give a little Robert salivibes in just.

488
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Speaker 2: The little bit of I figured up on the sideline

489
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Speaker 2: getting in there with his guys mixing it up.

490
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Speaker 4: You can just see owners seeing him on the sidelines

491
00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:43,879
Speaker 4: and he's jacked and he's fired up. So that reminds

492
00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:46,480
Speaker 4: me of Salad, just being like I want that guy.

493
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Speaker 4: That's a football guy.

494
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Speaker 2: And better phrasing no all gas, no breaks thing. Whenever

495
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Speaker 2: he takes a job, please.

496
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Speaker 4: Right, and he's and he really is awesome. I definitely

497
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Speaker 4: trust the Lions more at this point. I mean, the

498
00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:03,840
Speaker 4: Packers could be great, but overall, there's another team where

499
00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:06,520
Speaker 4: we're just about to talk about in Seattle that's I

500
00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:11,320
Speaker 4: think been as good or better than both of those teams.

501
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Speaker 4: And the difference that the Lions have over the Packers is, Man,

502
00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:20,680
Speaker 4: you've got the culture tonight. Tonight was a culture. You're

503
00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:24,520
Speaker 4: able to coach up and bring in guys. Some of

504
00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:27,000
Speaker 4: them have been on the practice squad, some of them

505
00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:30,000
Speaker 4: are off the street, and you're able to put them

506
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Speaker 4: out there. And I love what they said to Troy

507
00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:34,399
Speaker 4: and Joe that, Like they told their players like this

508
00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:36,639
Speaker 4: isn't just for us tonight, this is for you to

509
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:38,959
Speaker 4: show the rest of the NFL and make a career

510
00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:41,119
Speaker 4: like no one's ever heard of you. And they went

511
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:45,760
Speaker 4: out and did that. That's badass. Like Packers put together

512
00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:47,680
Speaker 4: wins like that for a few years, and I would

513
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Speaker 4: trust you more. And I to just close the circle

514
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Speaker 4: here on this Lions team. Second half of their schedule,

515
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:57,919
Speaker 4: you know, they got Minnesota at Washington and then they

516
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Speaker 4: have a game against the Eagles, they have a game

517
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Speaker 4: against the Packers again, they have an at Rams. There's

518
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:08,359
Speaker 4: just gonna be so many days that the Packers, I

519
00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:10,959
Speaker 4: mean in the Lions, but especially the Lions are just

520
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:13,879
Speaker 4: right there in the center of the NFL. And I

521
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:16,360
Speaker 4: know they didn't look great last week, and they got

522
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Speaker 4: to get through their game next week before they get

523
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Speaker 4: to their Bible. I think they've managed their schedule really

524
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Speaker 4: well too, after that first loss to get here at

525
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:30,480
Speaker 4: five and two, and they're set up really well. All right,

526
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Speaker 4: Let's talk about another team that is set up extraordinarily

527
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Speaker 4: well that I think is played about as well as

528
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Speaker 4: any team in the NFL this year, although they just

529
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:44,000
Speaker 4: play with their food like a little too much and

530
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Speaker 4: strung out our Monday night so that we're gonna be

531
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Speaker 4: honking late into the night. Let's go to Seattle.

532
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Speaker 5: First and ten inside the fifteen looks throws flyers to

533
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Speaker 5: the NZEL.

534
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Speaker 4: Palls.

535
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Speaker 2: Up.

536
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Speaker 5: Let's talk over the bar is Jackson Smith and Jacoba

537
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:07,280
Speaker 5: and flags go down because you can't do that because

538
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:10,840
Speaker 5: he grabbed the bar and that can make the whole

539
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:14,800
Speaker 5: goal post wiggle and get out of alignment, but the

540
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:19,600
Speaker 5: touchdown stands the fourth touchdown of the year for JSN

541
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Speaker 5: from eleven yards out.

542
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Speaker 4: It was a journey that that call, and yes, it's

543
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:29,879
Speaker 4: it's been a journey for Jackson Smith and Jigba to

544
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:34,160
Speaker 4: go from the supposedly safe solid wide receiver draft pick

545
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Speaker 4: taken in the middle of the first round to a

546
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Speaker 4: guy on Monday Night Football that I think said to America,

547
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Speaker 4: I have been the best wide receiver in the NFL

548
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Speaker 4: this year. That got them to a fourteen nothing lead, shook,

549
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Speaker 4: and they should have won by so much more than

550
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Speaker 4: twenty seven to nineteen. But you gotta give the Texans

551
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:57,840
Speaker 4: defense a lot of credit. I think we saw four

552
00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 4: really good defenses tonight. The Bucks defense played great too. Ultimately,

553
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:07,919
Speaker 4: the Seahawks offense did enough to win twenty seven to nineteen.

554
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:10,760
Speaker 4: And yeah, what the heck, Let's start with Jackson Smith

555
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:15,960
Speaker 4: in Jigba, because he finishes tonight not only with that touchdown,

556
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 4: but with eight catches one hundred and twenty three yards,

557
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:21,840
Speaker 4: and no one's played better than him this year, and

558
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:24,560
Speaker 4: he's playing the best secondary in the league, and he

559
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:28,160
Speaker 4: is getting wide open and making just terrific hands catch

560
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:30,440
Speaker 4: every type of catch you would want to see. What

561
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 4: do you love when you're watching JSN do work? Well?

562
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Speaker 2: I actually just went and checked the stats real quick

563
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:37,680
Speaker 2: because I don't routinely check the leaders week by week.

564
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:39,200
Speaker 2: So those of you who think I just scanned the

565
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:41,200
Speaker 2: stats for QB in Dex, you're wrong. I wasn't even

566
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:43,440
Speaker 2: aware that Jackson Smith and Jiggle was leading the league

567
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:46,560
Speaker 2: in receiving. But I'm aware now, and I'm aware after

568
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 2: the performance that he had tonight. It's no surprise to me.

569
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:51,200
Speaker 2: He has been Sam Darnold's favorite target. They have produced

570
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 2: touchdown connections like that one multiple times. That Buccaneers shoot

571
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:58,719
Speaker 2: out a few weeks ago, you saw that happen. It

572
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:02,520
Speaker 2: happened again to night, big stones throw from Sam Donald

573
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:04,720
Speaker 2: fitting down the scene there to find Jackson Smith and Jig.

574
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:07,199
Speaker 2: But he can trust him because Smith and jigbu came

575
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 2: to the NFL with a complete route tree, with plenty

576
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:12,959
Speaker 2: of experience gained and plenty of opportunity playing alongside the

577
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 2: likes of Garrett Wilson and Chris Olave and Marvin Harrison

578
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 2: Junior at Ohio State. He was ready, and yes he

579
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:20,119
Speaker 2: didn't get going right away when he was sharing the

580
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:23,119
Speaker 2: receiving room with dk Metcalf. But guess what, you know

581
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:25,439
Speaker 2: why the Seahawks trade Dk Metcalf because they knew what

582
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 2: they had in JSN and now he's proven it in

583
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 2: his first year without him, and Sam Donald loves him.

584
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 2: I know I could sit here and talk about him

585
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:34,360
Speaker 2: for days. But what I really love about this team

586
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 2: more than anything is the courage that they had to

587
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 2: deviate from the roadmap that most people thought was laid

588
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 2: for them with Geno Smith, with the old regime that

589
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 2: they had. They get Mike McDonald in there in the

590
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 2: first year. He makes an offensive coordinator change. He goes

591
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 2: to Clint Kubiak and they decide, you know what, blow

592
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 2: it up. Let's get the quarterback that fits our offense best.

593
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 2: Let's take the swing and the big risk on Sam Donald,

594
00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:00,239
Speaker 2: and it is paying off. He is a her if

595
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:01,960
Speaker 2: it's fit for how they want to run their offense,

596
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 2: not just JSN, but also how they like to build

597
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 2: out of the run, how they like to have the

598
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 2: quarterback with his back to the line of scrimmage. Darnold's

599
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 2: owning it. And yes they only won by eight points tonight,

600
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 2: but the offense is potential and their production continues to

601
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 2: be visible on a week by week basis. It's just

602
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 2: that they ran into a defense that managed to keep

603
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 2: the Texans in the game when they didn't deserve to

604
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:22,040
Speaker 2: be in the game, and they get another win that

605
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:24,080
Speaker 2: they deserve. Seahawks are one of my favorite teams watching

606
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 2: in the NFL right now, and it's for reasons like that.

607
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 4: I totally agree. And if these teams that are surprisingly

608
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 4: dominant so far this year, Seattle entered this game number

609
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 4: one in Dvoa. I don't know if the Colts you know,

610
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 4: pass them after this week potentially, but they're the number

611
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 4: one offense. The thing I love about surprise teams like

612
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:48,720
Speaker 4: this is, Okay, you get to this point in the

613
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 4: season and you're like, these teams are going to be around.

614
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 4: They're going to be a big part of this season.

615
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 4: And they're now elevated to if the Seahawks are in

616
00:29:57,280 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 4: prime them, if the Colts are in prime them, although

617
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 4: they're not much, they'll be in some big four to

618
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 4: twenty five spots because they're playing so well now that

619
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 4: feels like a big game, and can they start passing

620
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 4: these new tests and the Texans are not a complete

621
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 4: team they're a mess on offense, but this was a

622
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:19,000
Speaker 4: test for the Seahawks offense, and I think they you know,

623
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Speaker 4: I give them a B minus C plus in terms

624
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:25,240
Speaker 4: of their offense, but they turned the ball over four times,

625
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 4: like we can't go too crazy about them in this game.

626
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:33,240
Speaker 4: But they also were facing an incredible Texans defense. And

627
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 4: it's a reminder like all these teams that are built

628
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:40,360
Speaker 4: around defenses like you better have at the very least

629
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Speaker 4: like an explosive offense to complement it. The Broncos, I

630
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 4: know they're five and two, but they really don't. The

631
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 4: Vikings certainly don't, the Browns obviously don't, the Texans obviously don't.

632
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 4: So a lot of these defense first teams don't have

633
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 4: the type of playmaker that JSN And yes, Sam Donald is,

634
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 4: and you're right, I'll wear it. I can't remember being

635
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 4: more wrong about a take. I was very confident in

636
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 4: than the move from Gino to Donald being a downgrade.

637
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 4: And I'm glad you brought up the scheme because he

638
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 4: does fit this scheme really well. And he's taken everything

639
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 4: that Kevin O'Connell taught him in Minnesota and everything that

640
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 4: he learned there, and I think you have to give

641
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 4: him more of the credit because he's taken it to

642
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 4: another level that some of the throws he made tonight

643
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 4: early in the game, I know, he made a couple

644
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 4: of mistakes late were awesome. You don't need him to

645
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 4: be perfect, kind of like Daniel Jones doesn't need to

646
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 4: be perfect. You just need him to make enough difference

647
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 4: making plays. And these are not easy completions that Donald's

648
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 4: pulling off.

649
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, but what really warms my heart watching Donald succeed

650
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 2: with the Seahawks this year is you go all the

651
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 2: way back to his days at USC and I think

652
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 2: about that Rose Bowl performance against Penn State, and that

653
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 2: was like his breakout game in college, and he made

654
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 2: some spectacular throws in that game. I mean, it's a

655
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 2: memorable one for USC fans, whether you're a Sam Donald

656
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 2: Finn or not. And we didn't really get to see

657
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 2: that in his NFL career until moments last year. But

658
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 2: he was throwing to Justin Jefferson and Jordan Edison, he

659
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 2: was playing behind a rock solid offensive line, they had

660
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 2: a good running game. You could, you know, blame it

661
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 2: on all those other things and not give him the

662
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 2: credit he's earning the credit now like he that touchdown

663
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 2: pass to JSM was one, but he also dropped one

664
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 2: perfectly in the bucket to him down the sideline later.

665
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 2: He makes these throws routinely from week to week. He's

666
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 2: making throws like this. This is the talent that always

667
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 2: existed in Sam Donald that he needed the right situation

668
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 2: for it to fully show. And it makes them such

669
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 2: an enjoyable watch, like I said, and it also just

670
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 2: makes me happy that somebody who has been around the

671
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 2: NFL for a while now was at some very low

672
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 2: points in New York and Carolina, was a backup in

673
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 2: San Francisco, only got the job in Minnesota because Jays

674
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 2: McCarthy got hurt. Is now finally getting a real opportunity,

675
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 2: the real faith from an organization and coming through. And yes,

676
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 2: I know he made some mistakes. He fumbled in the

677
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 2: end zone, he threw a pick down the middle that

678
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 2: it was a great play by Derek Stingley. They turned

679
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 2: the ball over four times. I don't care because he's

680
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:18,120
Speaker 2: still making the plays and propelling this team forward. And

681
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 2: combined with the defense that Mike McDonald's overseeing, they lack

682
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 2: consistency in the run game, They're still one of the

683
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 2: most consistent in one of the teams that I believe

684
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 2: in the most through seven weeks now, and I've been

685
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 2: on this train for about a month now because I

686
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 2: don't think they're going away anytime soon. In a lot

687
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 2: of it's because of Sam Darnold.

688
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 4: A lot of it, it's Sam Donald supported, it's Donald,

689
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 4: it's the system, It's Jackson Smith and Jigba, who I

690
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 4: think is just so subtle, such a good route runner,

691
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 4: just is so complete and is more talented than people realize.

692
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 4: It's a really good tackle combination in the running game

693
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 4: and in the passing game helping him out, although you know,

694
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 4: the running game has been a little inconsistent, and more

695
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,479
Speaker 4: than anything, it's the defense supporting it at all, Like

696
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 4: this is a top five defense. I expected it to

697
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 4: be and it absolutely is, and we saw it tonight.

698
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 4: Before we get to that, though, you know, you mentioned

699
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 4: that great throw the whole shot to jsn Overamari Lassiter

700
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:15,759
Speaker 4: in this game, and he also had a throw to

701
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:18,880
Speaker 4: Cooper Cup in the first half where what I loved was,

702
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 4: what's he's done really well this year? Just the subtle

703
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:24,920
Speaker 4: pocket movement to like move to his left because the

704
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:28,400
Speaker 4: Texans pass rushers did win quite a bit tonight, and

705
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 4: they they pressure him almost right away and he shuffles

706
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 4: up into his left It's not an easy throw to make,

707
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 4: and he just does it very naturally before hitting Cup

708
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 4: down the field for a throw. There was a throw

709
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 4: in the red zone early where he gets it to

710
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 4: Elijah Arroyo, and Aikman pointed this out. I was thinking

711
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 4: the same thing too, where he gets to like his

712
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:48,760
Speaker 4: third read so fast, and that's what he's doing. He's

713
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 4: generally processing really quickly. Now, there were exceptions on this,

714
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 4: you know day, and that one of the exceptions was

715
00:34:57,040 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 4: the sack he took in the end zone. Yeah, let's

716
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:03,840
Speaker 4: give some love to the Texans defense and Will Anderson.

717
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 4: Let's take a listen.

718
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:07,839
Speaker 6: Donald and the gun calling for the ball.

719
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 1: Here's the snap.

720
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 2: Donald at the goal line.

721
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 6: Pumping Donald in trouble and Will Anderson has him down.

722
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:15,920
Speaker 6: The ball is out and Will Anderson has it for

723
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:16,839
Speaker 6: a touchdown.

724
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:24,400
Speaker 4: Pill Sten scores the terminator. That was midway through the

725
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 4: third quarter. It was seventeen to six at the time.

726
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 4: That was Mark Vandermere on Kilt and this game just

727
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 4: felt like it should have been over so to go

728
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 4: over it there. Okay, the Texans defense scores a touchdown

729
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:42,280
Speaker 4: way before the Texans offense scores a touchdown. The Seahawks

730
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:44,279
Speaker 4: are going in for points in the first half, and

731
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 4: they let Cooper Cup throw a pass. Cooper Cup is

732
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 4: now zero for five as a quarterback shookie in his

733
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 4: career with one interception. I don't think they should continue that.

734
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 4: And you know, then they played pretty well for the

735
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 4: most part on offense otherwise in the game. But then

736
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 4: in the fourth quarter, yeah, had another interception with about

737
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:11,360
Speaker 4: like five or five, you know, eight minutes to go,

738
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:14,440
Speaker 4: rather that Stingley play that you mentioned, and so they

739
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:16,840
Speaker 4: just kept like giving the ball away. There was another

740
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:19,799
Speaker 4: fumble in there mixed in that I'm forgetting off the

741
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 4: top of my head, but it was just like they kept,

742
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 4: you know, just shooting themselves in the foot on a

743
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:28,400
Speaker 4: night where they almost had like a safety in the

744
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:30,760
Speaker 4: first half that should have been called, and they almost

745
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:33,840
Speaker 4: had a defensive touchdown until they fumbled the ball. That

746
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:35,400
Speaker 4: was the other one that I was thinking of, like

747
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 4: where they fumbled the ball going in for a defensive touchdown.

748
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:40,799
Speaker 4: So like this game could have been like forty one

749
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 4: to nine in another world.

750
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a catch fumbled by Elijah Royo that

751
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 2: was recovered by as He's al Shire. But yeah, that's

752
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 2: what made the fourth quarter so painful. And maybe this

753
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 2: is the natural like transition point talking about the Texans

754
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 2: and how disgusted I am with them because oh my god,

755
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,799
Speaker 2: they forced four turnovers. You gave your offense so many

756
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 2: opportunities an offense mind you that put you behind the

757
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 2: eight ball multiple times in the first half by turning

758
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 2: the ball over on downs in plus territory for the Seahawks,

759
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:14,919
Speaker 2: Like you're you're asking your defense to carry the entire

760
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 2: organization on its back on the road in Seattle, and

761
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:20,959
Speaker 2: they're doing it. They're largely doing it throughout this game.

762
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 2: And you get down to the one yard line and

763
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:26,320
Speaker 2: you can't punch it in. And I would not be shocked.

764
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:28,880
Speaker 2: I'm not a fan of people losing their jobs, but

765
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 2: I would not be shocked if they made a change

766
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 2: of offensive coordinator because the way that they handled the

767
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 2: gold to go situation in the fourth quarter, the way

768
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 2: that they needed a heroic throw from c. J. Stroud

769
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:39,279
Speaker 2: to Woody Marks to even get in the end zone

770
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:41,799
Speaker 2: in the fourth quarter later which at that point, you're like, God,

771
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 2: I wish they would have converted the first and goal

772
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:46,359
Speaker 2: from the one situation, but they didn't. And the way

773
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:48,919
Speaker 2: that they handled fourth and short earlier in the game

774
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 2: by going away from CJ. Stroud and when Nico Collins

775
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 2: was out on the field at that time before he

776
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:55,799
Speaker 2: left the game, by pounding it into a brick wall

777
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:58,280
Speaker 2: twice with an offensive line that we've known is bad,

778
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 2: that you've had it proven to you multiple times over

779
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:02,880
Speaker 2: last year, and the first part of this season is bad.

780
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 2: It is indefensible, It is disgusting. It is criminal to

781
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:10,400
Speaker 2: allow a team with a defense this good, that is

782
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:13,920
Speaker 2: that opportunistic, to not cash in basically at all in

783
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 2: a game that is very winnable solely because of your defense.

784
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:17,920
Speaker 2: It drives me insane.

785
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:21,239
Speaker 4: The thing that kills me is they're coming off the

786
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:24,800
Speaker 4: bye week, and I know it's a tough matchup coming

787
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:28,719
Speaker 4: off of bye to go to Seattle, but your offensive

788
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:31,440
Speaker 4: coordinator had two weeks to prepare for this, Nick Cayley.

789
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 4: They were trying to build off some positivity they had

790
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:39,319
Speaker 4: in the last five quarters before the bye, and they

791
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:43,239
Speaker 4: got their pants pulled down, like right away, there's just

792
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 4: free rushers all over the place. Right away, they're throwing

793
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 4: screen passes to Nick Chubb and it's going nowhere, like

794
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 4: right away, even when CJ. Stroud would make a nice

795
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:59,279
Speaker 4: play in the pocket, Nico Collins of all people, is

796
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:01,719
Speaker 4: dropping a good pass that could have gone for a

797
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 4: long play. Nick Chubb dropped a pass Niko cons unfortunately

798
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:09,479
Speaker 4: left late in the game to have a concussion check.

799
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 4: So that's concerning for them. But the coaching was so brutal,

800
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 4: and you mentioned this short yardage situation late in the game.

801
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:20,879
Speaker 4: They only scored a touchdown in this game because they

802
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 4: got fourteen drives, Nick, I mean that is a preposterous

803
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:29,360
Speaker 4: number of drives, including what eight in the second half.

804
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 4: So it just took their defense getting the ball back

805
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:34,880
Speaker 4: to them over and over and over again, and finally

806
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:39,239
Speaker 4: they barely got one in in what wasn't quite garbage time,

807
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:41,840
Speaker 4: but it was two minutes left when they scored, and

808
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:44,920
Speaker 4: it was basically over then. And that wasn't even the

809
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 4: beginning of the short yard of struggles. They had a

810
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 4: drive stop in the first half because they couldn't get

811
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:53,360
Speaker 4: a third and one, and then earlier in the I

812
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 4: think it was the third quarter, they go back to

813
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:59,759
Speaker 4: back trying to pick up one yard. In the broadcast,

814
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 4: boot is just praying and they're telling them, don't just

815
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 4: run it. Don't just run the same running play again.

816
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 4: They're loading up the left side. They got seven blockers

817
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:13,359
Speaker 4: for eight defenders, and what do they do, Shuki, let's

818
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 4: take a listen.

819
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 6: Fourth down and a yard hand off for the left side,

820
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:20,240
Speaker 6: and he's not gonna make it. He's gonna lose yardage

821
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 6: inside the forty yard line. It blows up and the

822
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:26,919
Speaker 6: Texans on third and fourth and short can't get there

823
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 6: and move the sticks, so they turn it over on down.

824
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:33,319
Speaker 2: You're the emphasis in that call that can't get there.

825
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 2: It's like almost guttural. That's frustration coming out because they've

826
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:40,719
Speaker 2: watched this offense week week and you know that they

827
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:43,719
Speaker 2: just can't. And it boggles the mind that you would

828
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 2: think that, oh, just because the short yard situation, we're

829
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 2: gonna default. They handing it off. They did this in

830
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 2: the goal line later too, where you're like, you're a

831
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:52,759
Speaker 2: yard away QB sneak. I don't care how much you

832
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:55,840
Speaker 2: value your quarterbacks South and I understand he is absolutely

833
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 2: essential to your hopes of being a competitive offense, but

834
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:00,400
Speaker 2: you're obviously not supporting him. In any other situation, you

835
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:02,880
Speaker 2: have one yard to get, shorten the distance between you

836
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:05,920
Speaker 2: and the line to gain. Please just make it simple,

837
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:09,840
Speaker 2: because right now it was miserable. I tweeted during the

838
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 2: fourth quarter. I was like the misery I'm feeling. I

839
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 2: have no dog in this fight. I can't imagine how

840
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 2: Texans feel. Texans fans feel watching this offense. It's terrible.

841
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 4: They had a twenty percent success rate, by the way

842
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 4: on design run, so as bad as the passing game is, like,

843
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 4: I get why they go so pass heavy because the

844
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 4: running game just feels stillborn. It's it's brutal. The offensive

845
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:39,440
Speaker 4: line strategy, which I was trying to give them the

846
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 4: benefit of the doubt of the in the off season

847
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 4: in Toronto Airsrie the rookie is really struggling. It's tough.

848
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 4: But when you watch those plays, one thing that you

849
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 4: see shook and you saw this on the near safety

850
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:56,799
Speaker 4: of CJ. Stroud on what was that their first drive

851
00:41:56,840 --> 00:42:01,400
Speaker 4: of the game. Actually where he's running backwards, there's four

852
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:05,719
Speaker 4: Seahawks converging on him. Yep, there's like no Texans blockers

853
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 4: in the field. And that's My takeaway if you haven't

854
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:12,719
Speaker 4: watched the Seahawks defense enough. Look, the Bucks got him.

855
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:16,960
Speaker 4: That'll happen to great defenses. Sometimes they had a bad day.

856
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 4: But what really gets me is just the depth. There's

857
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 4: just so many different types of players. DeMarcus Lawrence had

858
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:26,400
Speaker 4: a big game. He's great boy. Mafey is a terror

859
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:29,360
Speaker 4: off the edge. Byron Murphy like blowing up screens is

860
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:33,719
Speaker 4: a very athletic defensive tackle. You know, they're still missing guys.

861
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:36,400
Speaker 4: Devin Witherspoon wasn't out there tonight. Julian Love in the

862
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:39,400
Speaker 4: back end wasn't out there tonight. Like they just have

863
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 4: different levels to Ernest Jones has been great at linebacker,

864
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:46,840
Speaker 4: Like I haven't mentioned nu Chenna Nuosu, who's one of

865
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 4: their They just on any given play, two guys, three

866
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 4: guys can win. And what a great way to play

867
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 4: team defense.

868
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:53,399
Speaker 1: Yeah.

869
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:56,359
Speaker 2: Plus there's the potential of rookie safety nick Emon Worri,

870
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 2: who's starting to come around and starting to make some plays.

871
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 2: He looked a little loss in the first month of

872
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:01,440
Speaker 2: this season, but I think he's starting to get his

873
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:03,439
Speaker 2: fee underneath him. He made some plays tonight as well,

874
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 2: and like there was a play where Leonard Williams drops

875
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 2: in coverage and they throw a check down to I

876
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 2: think it was Braxton Burials they had lined up back there.

877
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:13,400
Speaker 2: He chases him down in the flat look. I know

878
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:15,719
Speaker 2: Leonard Williams is a freak athlete, he has been since

879
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 2: his days at USC, But to watch a guy of

880
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 2: that size move with that quickness and he was so

881
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:23,359
Speaker 2: light on his feet laterally and make a play like that,

882
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:25,319
Speaker 2: it was still blew my mind. And I know he's

883
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 2: got that potential and has had it for years. That's

884
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:29,360
Speaker 2: the strength of their defense, and it's not when I

885
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:31,440
Speaker 2: complained about the Texans offense. It has nothing to do

886
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 2: with how I feel about the Seahawks defense, because again,

887
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 2: both things canna be treat You can have terrible offensive

888
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:38,360
Speaker 2: strategy and also be playing against a good defense. This

889
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 2: defense is just getting better by the week, and they're

890
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:44,919
Speaker 2: another big reason why I think, again, the Seahawks team

891
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:46,839
Speaker 2: is not going anywhere. They're going to be hanging around.

892
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 2: They're going to be a player in the NFC all

893
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:48,759
Speaker 2: year long.

894
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:54,319
Speaker 4: Yep. They had six different Seahawks with run stuffs in

895
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 4: this game, So that's like stopped at or behind the

896
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 4: line of scrimmage. Like I was trying to say, it's

897
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:02,839
Speaker 4: just it's a read the wealth type of defense. It's impressive.

898
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:07,239
Speaker 4: They're number one in DVOA. You know, I don't know

899
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 4: what power rankings is supposed to judge. You know, Are

900
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:13,359
Speaker 4: they the most likely team to make the Super Bowl?

901
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:13,440
Speaker 2: No?

902
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:17,240
Speaker 4: Because the NFC is so deep, I think on balanced.

903
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 4: If I had to choose a team that's played the best,

904
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 4: most complete brand of ball through seven weeks in the NFC,

905
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 4: my choice would be the Seahawks. Now they're in a

906
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:32,480
Speaker 4: really tough division. They're tied three way tie with the

907
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 4: forty nine ers in the Rams at five and two.

908
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:39,440
Speaker 4: It's obviously a really good conference with other contenders, two

909
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:42,440
Speaker 4: of whom played tonight, and you have the defending champs.

910
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 4: It's wide open, but they're in that mix and hopefully

911
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 4: that can be some solace to Seahawks fans on a

912
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 4: night that will go down and Seattle sports infamy, really

913
00:44:57,200 --> 00:45:00,920
Speaker 4: and it'll always be this footnote that the Seahawks played

914
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 4: last night. If you were watching the Monday night football broadcast,

915
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 4: it was crazy to see the crowd shots of all

916
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:14,440
Speaker 4: the Mariners fans that were at the Seahawks game and

917
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:18,359
Speaker 4: just the heartbreak kind of wash over them as they

918
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:22,840
Speaker 4: realized what happened in the ALCS. If you're no overseas

919
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 4: listeners and have no idea what we're talking about. The Seahawks,

920
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:28,759
Speaker 4: you know, played tonight at the same time as the

921
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 4: Seattle Mariners, who lost Game seven, trying to make the

922
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 4: World Series for the first time in their franchise history,

923
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:37,759
Speaker 4: and they gave up a three run homer in the

924
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:40,359
Speaker 4: seventh and ended up losing a great baseball game.

925
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, four to three. And look, as somebody who grew

926
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:46,400
Speaker 2: up in Northeast Ohio and lives in Cleveland, I understand

927
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 2: the torture of watching your team lose on the doorstep

928
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:50,919
Speaker 2: of the World Series. I understand the torture of watching

929
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 2: your team below a three one leading the World Series.

930
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 2: But Seahawks fans, Mariners fans, you're a loyal bunch. You

931
00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 2: got a big win on the NFL field tonight. I

932
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:00,799
Speaker 2: know it doesn't matter as much Game seven of the

933
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:03,719
Speaker 2: LCS did, but you're you're a good group. You'll be

934
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:05,840
Speaker 2: back next year, hopefully for the Mariners.

935
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 4: You do feel for like real deal fans because just

936
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:14,880
Speaker 4: one of those things I watched they've been I've been

937
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 4: around for a while, they've never got there. And I

938
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 4: think if the Lions lost, which they did in the

939
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 4: NFC Championship, it it's a lot like that loss. You

940
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:28,440
Speaker 4: had a big lead, you're so close, and they have

941
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:30,479
Speaker 4: the idea that if they can just make it once

942
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 4: even that might be enough. That would be one great

943
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:35,399
Speaker 4: thing to celebrate, and you can't even have that.

944
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 2: I watched the Cleveland Guardians get eliminated at home in

945
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:40,280
Speaker 2: the playoffs in person each of the last two years.

946
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 2: And I also have one triumph in my life as

947
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:45,319
Speaker 2: a sports fan. It was when the Cavaliers came back

948
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 2: from three to three to one in twenty sixteen. I

949
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 2: understand you're paying guys.

950
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 4: I do you have to watch Troy O'Leary bash like

951
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 4: eight RBIs in a game five Cleveland Red Sox in

952
00:46:57,520 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 4: like two thousand and two.

953
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 2: That maybe you do that to me when I was

954
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 2: a kid. Why would you do that?

955
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 4: Sorry? Sorry? That was at the time one of my

956
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:08,319
Speaker 4: favorite memories. Pour one out for uh, you know, the

957
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 4: big dumper in the Great Mariner season. Okay, I want

958
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:17,239
Speaker 4: to bring up something crazy, which is that our great

959
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 4: producer Chris Babona put a pole up of everyone crazy

960
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:24,280
Speaker 4: enough to be watching. If you're on the East coast,

961
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:28,359
Speaker 4: it's two eighteen. Good job by you, shucky, and we'll

962
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 4: let you go to sleep. We put a pole up.

963
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:35,120
Speaker 4: Who would you start your team with at wide receiver? Now?

964
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:39,760
Speaker 4: I said that JSN has been the best wide receiver

965
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:43,279
Speaker 4: in the league so far this season. The fact that

966
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 4: more people voted for him over Jamar Chase and Justin

967
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:51,719
Speaker 4: Jefferson to start a team with is absolutely outrageous and

968
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:55,279
Speaker 4: the biggest example of recency bias I've ever seen. Or

969
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 4: maybe you know it's just Seahawks fans.

970
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:03,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, because what is it? Eleven eighteen and Pacific time zone,

971
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:05,239
Speaker 2: so we get more Seahawks fans in here. That's what's

972
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:07,839
Speaker 2: going on. You guys are nuts. I would definitely play

973
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 2: Jamar Chase over him, but he's having a great year.

974
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 2: You got your game, recognize his game.

975
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:16,560
Speaker 4: I think if I was starting a franchise, he is

976
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 4: definitely in the top five now among receivers. The thing

977
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:25,480
Speaker 4: is to be a great like Chase and Jefferson is,

978
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:28,400
Speaker 4: and they're having great seasons by the way, too. You

979
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:31,359
Speaker 4: have to do it year after year. Those guys are

980
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:34,840
Speaker 4: first ballot Hall of Famers in the middle of their primes,

981
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:37,360
Speaker 4: and so you just got to see it more for Jason.

982
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:41,239
Speaker 4: But if he stays at this level for two more years, sure, yeah,

983
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:44,840
Speaker 4: he's gonna be right there. We will be right back

984
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 4: on this show sooner than you can even imagine. Colleen

985
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:53,120
Speaker 4: Wolf and I will be in the studio really looking

986
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:58,239
Speaker 4: forward to that on Tuesday. And in the meantime, we

987
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:01,719
Speaker 4: appreciate everyone who's stayed up with us, and everyone just

988
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 4: can say goodbye to double headers, Nick Schuk, maybe forever

989
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:06,360
Speaker 4: it could be, this could be it?

990
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:06,759
Speaker 1: Are you?

991
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:09,799
Speaker 4: How will you celebrate the end of double headers in

992
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:10,759
Speaker 4: the NFL.

993
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:14,200
Speaker 2: By watching one more game from this week and going

994
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 2: to bed? And I actually understand why they're going away. Tonight.

995
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:20,400
Speaker 2: I think is the perfect example of why they're going away.

996
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:22,799
Speaker 4: Yeah, that that was a tough game to end on.

997
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 4: If it is over and they say it's gonna be over,

998
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:28,799
Speaker 4: if the Endful Network ESPN deal goes through, all right,

999
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:31,959
Speaker 4: that's too much. We'll we'll go uh, we'll go into

1000
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:36,400
Speaker 4: the night, and we will see you on Tuesday.