1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,800 Speaker 1: All about to hop into the episode with Judah from 2 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:06,440 Speaker 1: Judah and the Lion, which we just finished a bit ago. 3 00:00:06,600 --> 00:00:08,039 Speaker 1: But I will say this about the guy. He was 4 00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:11,240 Speaker 1: here early. It was like fifteen minutes early, and he 5 00:00:11,320 --> 00:00:13,800 Speaker 1: was like, is that okay? And fifteen minutes before the 6 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:16,320 Speaker 1: show starts, I'm already up here, just kind of sitting. 7 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:19,040 Speaker 1: And we love it when people are early. And it's 8 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:21,720 Speaker 1: also a weird spot because traffic is always terrible around 9 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:25,400 Speaker 1: here and we record a lot of these at five pm. 10 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:28,120 Speaker 1: So the fact that he was early, yeah, I know that. No, 11 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 1: that I was. I was pretty happy with the situation 12 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:33,880 Speaker 1: whenever the show starts. But um, I really like Judea 13 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 1: in The Lion. I really like Judah, and they came 14 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:37,199 Speaker 1: in on the radio show a couple of months ago 15 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:39,479 Speaker 1: home whenever that Casey song I just come out and 16 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:41,560 Speaker 1: they came in. So um, we'll get to that coming 17 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:44,960 Speaker 1: up in a second. Let me again recommend Get Real 18 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:47,879 Speaker 1: with Caroline Hobby, which if you like music, and I 19 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 1: suspect you do if you're sitting here. She has a 20 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 1: fantastic podcast where she talks to um a lot of 21 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 1: the spouses of country music stars, which is a pretty 22 00:00:56,360 --> 00:01:00,080 Speaker 1: interesting angle and one of the last ones. She it 23 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 1: was Taylor Young, wife of Brett Young. Abby Smires, who's 24 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 1: Dan Smyers his wife from Dan and Shay is a 25 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 1: good one. Caroline Brian Luke Bryan's wife is really good. 26 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:11,759 Speaker 1: And I don't know when it's going up or maybe 27 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:14,240 Speaker 1: it has already, but I know Thomas rets wife. It 28 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:17,920 Speaker 1: comes out tomorrow, so it'll be Monday because we're putting 29 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:22,160 Speaker 1: this up on Sunday, So um tomorrow or you're probably 30 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:24,200 Speaker 1: hearing this whenever you here name there is a one 31 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 1: with that Thomas Schutt's wife. Um, Laura Aikins, Laura Akin Laura. Yeah, 32 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 1: there you go. Um, So we check that out. Get 33 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:35,959 Speaker 1: Real with Caroline Hobby would love for you to check 34 00:01:35,959 --> 00:01:38,640 Speaker 1: that out. Amy's podcast Four Things with Amy Brown. If 35 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 1: you're into sports, Lunchbox, Ray Mundo and Eddie have the 36 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 1: Sore Losers podcast, and I guess that's it. You can 37 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 1: check out me. I'll be on tour all this fall 38 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 1: doing comedy and music. It's the Raging Idiots. It's Eddie 39 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:57,280 Speaker 1: and myself, UM with Walker Burrows from American Idol and 40 00:01:57,360 --> 00:02:00,160 Speaker 1: m mclein and come out to a show and half 41 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 1: and we're actually practicing today whenever you came here where 42 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 1: we were, Yeah, playing, are finishing it up. You know, 43 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:07,280 Speaker 1: we've written a couple of funny songs, and so it's 44 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:09,640 Speaker 1: gonna be music and comedy. And you got a Raging 45 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 1: Idiots dot com and you can get tickets and come 46 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:14,680 Speaker 1: out and see us wherever you are, if you're in 47 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:19,519 Speaker 1: Austin or Chicago or Louisville or everywhere in between. Well 48 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:21,079 Speaker 1: not everywhere, but a lot of a lot of where. 49 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 1: All Right, here we go. Here's the next episode with 50 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:27,680 Speaker 1: Judah from Judah in the Line and welcome to episode 51 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:32,360 Speaker 1: one with Jude. I don't know your last name was Acres. 52 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 1: I didn't know that was your last name. Is that 53 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 1: a public? I guess it's public I found on the internet. 54 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 1: I did. I thought of maybe like Judah in the 55 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:46,520 Speaker 1: Lion like that. I didn't know his Acres though. And 56 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 1: what's funny is before I was really um knowing that 57 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:53,120 Speaker 1: your band was a thing. I've known your uncle for 58 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:56,080 Speaker 1: a long time. Who um. Obviously now at this point 59 00:02:56,560 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 1: Gator is our station program director, but he's your uncle, 60 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:00,840 Speaker 1: and he'd be like, man, my nephew is in a 61 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:04,400 Speaker 1: band going places and I would be like, come on, everybody. 62 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 1: Everybody's got a cousin or a nephew or something in 63 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:11,160 Speaker 1: some sort of musical group in this town that's going places. 64 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:13,399 Speaker 1: And I'll be daring if he wasn't right, and then 65 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 1: um here here you guys are. Do you guys feel 66 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 1: like now that the band is actually like like piercing 67 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:22,079 Speaker 1: the consciousness, because that's if you can do that. I mean, 68 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:28,799 Speaker 1: that's tough to actually be something that kind of matters. Yeah, 69 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:30,399 Speaker 1: And I think that's what we're all kind of kind 70 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 1: of striving to do, but it's hard because there are 71 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:34,080 Speaker 1: so many people doing it. Do you feel like the 72 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 1: band now is kind of hit that place where people 73 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:38,720 Speaker 1: like the music in generals like I'm curious what you 74 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 1: do the Lions are doing? Yeah, I think especially we 75 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 1: felt that with the release of this record, and it 76 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 1: was the first time I felt like personally that there 77 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:51,040 Speaker 1: was a genuine like energy or like a genuine kind 78 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 1: of hype around what we were doing, just because with 79 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 1: each record, for better or for worse, like each record 80 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 1: kind of has like a new flavor, new sound, or 81 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:03,840 Speaker 1: a new kind of perspective on the music that we 82 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 1: make and in our goal as a band has always 83 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 1: been like that. We would just sound more and more 84 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 1: like Jude in the Line with each records, so whatever 85 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:12,200 Speaker 1: that means. UM, So yeah, it does feel good to 86 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:14,720 Speaker 1: um to have people enough to care about you know, 87 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:17,279 Speaker 1: what you have coming next or what you're doing, and 88 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:19,040 Speaker 1: in that way it can you can kind of create 89 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:22,039 Speaker 1: this excitement. There's always that shift in interviews where for 90 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:24,920 Speaker 1: a long time you're begging to be interviewed and then 91 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:28,520 Speaker 1: there's a turn where the interviewers and then begging you 92 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:32,359 Speaker 1: to interview you. And so are you feeling now, like 93 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 1: with a lot we'll just say radio or even the 94 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:37,120 Speaker 1: streaming platforms like they're like, oh, this is really cool 95 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 1: June and the Alliance coming by. For a long time 96 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 1: it was like, oh, we have talked to Jude in 97 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:42,559 Speaker 1: the line. Whoever this is because there is that shift. 98 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:43,800 Speaker 1: Do you feel like you're on the second side of 99 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:46,040 Speaker 1: that now, I don't know, We'll see. We we love 100 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 1: working hard and we love we love I mean, as 101 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 1: weird as it sounds, and I know some bands kind 102 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:52,039 Speaker 1: of hate it, but we really don't. Actually kind of 103 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:56,160 Speaker 1: love the personal side of getting to know people at 104 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 1: radio or getting to know people on the streaming side 105 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 1: or I don't know, kind of being involved with that 106 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 1: quote unquote business side of what we do. Um. So 107 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:07,720 Speaker 1: I think the more and more we visit places, even 108 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:10,680 Speaker 1: for us, it becomes like we're just coming in and 109 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:13,679 Speaker 1: talking to our friend Bobby, not like this like weird 110 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:16,240 Speaker 1: kind of introduction. It's like I've no, I've We've met 111 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 1: a few times now. So now that barrier or whatever 112 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:22,160 Speaker 1: that we feel, hopefully it's kind of been broken a 113 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 1: little bit, which we were starting to feel a little bit. 114 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 1: Let's up with the lion, Like, let's just go basic, 115 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:29,159 Speaker 1: like what's up with the line? Like was that a 116 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:31,839 Speaker 1: youth thing before you met the two dudes? It was 117 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 1: actually my mom. Okay, I wanted to be a rapper 118 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 1: when I was a five year old kid, which we 119 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:40,040 Speaker 1: all did. I was like right when, like you know, 120 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:42,760 Speaker 1: some shady was kind of doing his thing, and I 121 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:46,080 Speaker 1: just was obsessed with like fifty cent growing up. And um, anyways, 122 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 1: not that I'm necessarily proud of that now, but um, 123 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:51,320 Speaker 1: shout out to my heroes. But yeah, I had this 124 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 1: like notebook and UM, and I would like write like 125 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 1: these horrible poems. I called him poems or lyrics and 126 00:05:57,279 --> 00:05:59,599 Speaker 1: then my mom was like, I think she overheard me 127 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:01,360 Speaker 1: as like a little kid kind of like trying to 128 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 1: rap or whatever. And um, the encouraging mom that that 129 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 1: she was and is, she said, well, if you're ever 130 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 1: actually in a real group, you can just call it 131 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:11,480 Speaker 1: the line of Judah um, which that comes from the 132 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:13,919 Speaker 1: Old testaent Bible Bible. Um. But at the time I 133 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 1: wasn't thinking Old Testament. I was just like, oh, that's tough, 134 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:20,039 Speaker 1: you know, like lions or whatever. Um. But when we 135 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 1: when we came up with the band, like when we 136 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 1: started it was it wasn't even like we really didn't 137 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 1: even like have intentions of starting a band. I had 138 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:30,359 Speaker 1: these songs that I was writing at the time playing 139 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:34,800 Speaker 1: college baseball, and um, what was really wanting to just 140 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:37,599 Speaker 1: record these songs for myself, just to document kind of 141 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 1: the season of life that I was in. And then 142 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 1: when I met Nat and Brian, They're like, we want 143 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:43,600 Speaker 1: to make this a band, Like we think that this 144 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:46,039 Speaker 1: is just more than just documenting these songs. And um, 145 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 1: so the name selfishly Judah in the line kind of 146 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 1: came in. And then Nate and Brian were very hairy 147 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:56,600 Speaker 1: at that point as well. Brian had like physically long hair, 148 00:06:56,640 --> 00:06:59,280 Speaker 1: and then Nate has the beard that he's always had. 149 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:02,240 Speaker 1: So the Lion just kind of fit. So are they 150 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:05,279 Speaker 1: now seen as the two guys that make up the Lion? 151 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 1: Like the Blowfish? And even though it really wasn't a 152 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 1: thing like Hoodie and the Blowfish, they really it really wasn't. 153 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 1: There was no Hoodie, there were no Blowfish, but people 154 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:16,480 Speaker 1: assumed that Darius was Hoodie and the rest of the 155 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 1: guys were the Blowfish. And I assume if people are like, oh, well, 156 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 1: you're judea YouTube must be the Lion. Yeah, and they 157 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 1: kind of fight over it, which is sick. I'm make 158 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 1: him with each interview kind of do like a little 159 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 1: arm wrestler. This fight for it. And you guys met 160 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:32,400 Speaker 1: in college. Yeah, university shout out. So you go to 161 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:35,200 Speaker 1: music school though, Yeah, I went to muse the business. 162 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 1: And so your goal or maybe your degree goal was 163 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 1: to do what study and learn how to do? I 164 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:45,760 Speaker 1: love songwriting, um, but for me as a songwriter, I 165 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 1: almost don't like I didn't want to study it as 166 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 1: maybe as ignorant and as shallows. That sounds like I 167 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 1: just didn't want my songwriting to be necessarily boxed into 168 00:07:56,760 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 1: this kind of formula or just because X and Y verse, 169 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 1: you know, get to the course in thirty seconds or 170 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:06,920 Speaker 1: whatever the rules are. Um, I just I don't know. 171 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 1: I didn't want to put like a box around songwriting. 172 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 1: So I wanted to be around music and music business. 173 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 1: And I was on a baseball scarship which helped. Um. 174 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 1: But yeah, that the goal was to do songwriting in 175 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 1: some capacity. And uh, I've never really aspired to be 176 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:24,800 Speaker 1: an artist. I didn't. I didn't think. I mean just maybe, 177 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 1: um just transparently, like, I never really thought that I 178 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 1: was I had enough talent really to be an artist 179 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:33,520 Speaker 1: or to like to start a band or whatever. It 180 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 1: was like, why would anybody want to listen to music 181 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:39,040 Speaker 1: outside of my uncle? Um? But it's really cool. But wait, 182 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:42,559 Speaker 1: so you could sing? Though I could sing, I was 183 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:46,079 Speaker 1: quit kid. I would love. Let me get this straight. 184 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:49,680 Speaker 1: You dance and you sing, and you play a dancer 185 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 1: as you That's not true. Listen. You dance and you 186 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 1: sing and you play ball and you're a big boy. 187 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:57,960 Speaker 1: How big are you? Well? Actually, just gotta my first 188 00:08:57,960 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 1: physical other day, and I think I've grown an it. 189 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:03,880 Speaker 1: But I'm gonna say six too. This is. This is 190 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:06,560 Speaker 1: why I don't really have a lot of like a town, 191 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:09,840 Speaker 1: because you get all of them. I think I was 192 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:12,800 Speaker 1: like skipped over and you had So you're a ball 193 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:15,280 Speaker 1: player and a singer. Which what were you known like 194 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 1: in high school? Then? What was the main thing that 195 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 1: they knew you for? The basket? I was basketball player 196 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:22,000 Speaker 1: in high school. You were not even a baseball player. 197 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:24,080 Speaker 1: You're a basketb I was like I honestly it was 198 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:28,240 Speaker 1: like Zach zac Efron of like like one coat had 199 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:31,080 Speaker 1: like the basketball thing and another Coade was like singer. 200 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:32,719 Speaker 1: So what were you like? A two guard? I was 201 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 1: a two guard. I was just I was kind of 202 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:37,800 Speaker 1: the classic just shoot it. And you had good size 203 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:40,199 Speaker 1: at six too as a two guard. That's pretty good. 204 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:41,640 Speaker 1: So why did you choose bad? Why did you just 205 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 1: baseball over basketball? Well? I got offered to walk on 206 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 1: at Belmont UM. Then I got offered or I I 207 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 1: could have potentially played at IV League school to play basketball. Um. 208 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:54,480 Speaker 1: I don't think I was smart enough to go to 209 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 1: IVY League school, and I didn't really want to go 210 00:09:56,559 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 1: to Dartmouth UM. And I always wanted to do music, 211 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 1: and Bell just kind of had that flavor Um, and 212 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 1: I honestly just fell in love with a baseball program 213 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:07,840 Speaker 1: at Belmont, so they said, you can come walk on basketball, 214 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:09,960 Speaker 1: go to school here. You were that get of a 215 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:13,360 Speaker 1: basketball player. I mean I was you at the time. 216 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:16,520 Speaker 1: So what are we talking about? Average per game? Like 217 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:21,079 Speaker 1: my senior year? Yeah, like, oh my goodness, he was 218 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:23,920 Speaker 1: twenty What what class ball was this? It was five 219 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:26,360 Speaker 1: A cooka high school used to average over twenty points 220 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:29,360 Speaker 1: a game and five A five basketball. Good god, I 221 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:34,320 Speaker 1: shot it a lot, though, I'm amazed right now that 222 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:37,320 Speaker 1: those are some heavy numbers. It was. It was a 223 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 1: fun time. I really missed the game of basketball probably, 224 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, I miss it more than baseball. I 225 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 1: really missed basketball. So you scored over twenty points a 226 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:46,960 Speaker 1: game as a senior in high school? Five A ball? 227 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 1: Where'd you go to high school? Cookball high school? Just 228 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:51,080 Speaker 1: right up the road? And I said, that is just stupid. 229 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:52,800 Speaker 1: That's just stupid that you were that good. Yeah, you 230 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:55,200 Speaker 1: ball too, right, No, not like you know, it's not 231 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 1: the same. It's just not. I was a decent baseball player, 232 00:10:58,400 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 1: and I played football a little bit, but I didn't 233 00:10:59,840 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 1: have eyes either. Um, then you played baseball what did 234 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:05,240 Speaker 1: you play in baseball position? I was I was there 235 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 1: to hit, essentially. I Um, I found out really quickly. 236 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 1: I didn't have a great arm for that D one 237 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:13,720 Speaker 1: level and played first base my freshman year. Is right 238 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:16,440 Speaker 1: right handed, and actually, honestly, for a D one first baseman, 239 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 1: it was kind of small. It's like most first basemans. 240 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:20,720 Speaker 1: I feel like that D one level were like six 241 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 1: well it was six two to like six seven or whatever. 242 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 1: But um, yeah, I played first base and d H 243 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:30,920 Speaker 1: d H my freshman sophomore year, and and then I 244 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:34,120 Speaker 1: played first base my junior and senior year of high school. College. 245 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:37,080 Speaker 1: You played all four years of baseball college? Did good? God, 246 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:41,679 Speaker 1: why is this guy even here? What is happening right 247 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:43,200 Speaker 1: now that you think you may be the most talented 248 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 1: person to come and sit it? And I talked to everybody, 249 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:48,000 Speaker 1: this is crazy. It's so funny. I love that you're 250 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:51,200 Speaker 1: in like the sports die hearts. I did a national 251 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:53,400 Speaker 1: sports show for a long time. I'm just a sports nerd. 252 00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:56,320 Speaker 1: But again, just let me just roll back to high 253 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:58,600 Speaker 1: school for a second. So, um, do you have for 254 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:03,200 Speaker 1: average in high school? Uh? Yeah, like two eighty guy, 255 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 1: Well maybe more in high school I think I was 256 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 1: more like like it was like four hundred or whatever, 257 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:13,400 Speaker 1: but you know, it's high school. I'm gonna wrap this 258 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:15,600 Speaker 1: interview up and I was gonna go play ball. Would 259 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:18,160 Speaker 1: you do? Um? Bringing on? So? Okay, So you have 260 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:20,760 Speaker 1: four hundred in high school like on a good like 261 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 1: junior and senior year, but you're also probably when I 262 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:25,079 Speaker 1: when I was a guest in two eight, I was 263 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:27,240 Speaker 1: imagine because you were taking some big cuts, but you're 264 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:29,280 Speaker 1: taking big cuts. Also hit four hundred. That was more 265 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 1: like college college like coming home j senior in high 266 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:35,640 Speaker 1: school just roughly, I don't remember. I was a doubles 267 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:37,960 Speaker 1: guy in high school. I became more of a home 268 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:41,760 Speaker 1: and in college I just didn't have that power. Dude. 269 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:46,000 Speaker 1: So you're playing baseball in college and you're you're figuring 270 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:48,440 Speaker 1: out music or you kind of have found your spot 271 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 1: and you know it and you know that's long term, 272 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:54,960 Speaker 1: still definitely figuring out. I somebody had this quote that 273 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:56,720 Speaker 1: that really marked me in instead, if if you come 274 00:12:56,760 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 1: to Nashville or you come to Belmont, you can allow 275 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:02,480 Speaker 1: music to do two things to You can either allow 276 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 1: it to intimidate you or to inspire you. And I 277 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:07,400 Speaker 1: think my first couple of years was definitely I was 278 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:10,360 Speaker 1: allowing it to kind of intimidate me. And um, just 279 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:13,320 Speaker 1: because even like even like the bubble the Belmont University 280 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:16,400 Speaker 1: is that everybody from every town that's in the music industry, 281 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:23,720 Speaker 1: whether they're into commercial vocals or um guitar or whatever 282 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:26,960 Speaker 1: they're studying, it's like the most skilled, you know players around. 283 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 1: So you like kind of jump in there as like 284 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:31,319 Speaker 1: a you know, a baseball player or whatever, and it's 285 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:35,199 Speaker 1: like you can't hang with, you know, people that went 286 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:37,839 Speaker 1: on to do really well in like American Idol, and 287 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:40,360 Speaker 1: so it's just kind of like it's that culture. And 288 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:43,240 Speaker 1: so I think when I really started just kind of 289 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:45,560 Speaker 1: all allow the people around me to inspire me and 290 00:13:45,640 --> 00:13:48,600 Speaker 1: to kind of push me was when I think I 291 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:50,480 Speaker 1: really started to kind of found my voice. But that 292 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:52,840 Speaker 1: was like later on probably my junior senior year. Now 293 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:54,439 Speaker 1: we'll talk about a literal voice. So you're in high 294 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:55,839 Speaker 1: school and you're singing in choir, but what kind of 295 00:13:55,880 --> 00:13:58,560 Speaker 1: are you singing? Um, it's like singing songs at the 296 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:01,600 Speaker 1: church choir or like high school high school choir. Yeah, 297 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 1: and then uh yeah, I started up Planet Church like that. 298 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:08,720 Speaker 1: That was when Um, I kind of started finding I 299 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 1: guess like more of like a It's kind of funny 300 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:13,720 Speaker 1: because you hate to say like performance, but you know 301 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:16,280 Speaker 1: you're in front of people and you're singing songs. Um, 302 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:19,000 Speaker 1: It's definitely not about the performance. It's more about you know, 303 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:24,080 Speaker 1: church and and God. Um. But definitely that that kind 304 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:26,000 Speaker 1: of started my my freshman year of high school. You 305 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:29,920 Speaker 1: grew up pretty religious? I did. Yeah, big big Jesus lovers. Um. 306 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:31,800 Speaker 1: Religion was kind of a weird word to use in 307 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 1: our in our family, like we never really saw God 308 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:38,000 Speaker 1: as like a set of rules or like an agenda 309 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 1: that we needed to follow. Um. I always just have 310 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:44,000 Speaker 1: focused on the love of God and what how that 311 00:14:44,040 --> 00:14:46,760 Speaker 1: can kind of um drive us as human beings rather 312 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:49,680 Speaker 1: than it be like the fear factor version of God, 313 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 1: which a lot of people um and naturally can kind 314 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:55,120 Speaker 1: of find themselves into depending on what church or whatever 315 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:56,720 Speaker 1: you go to. But it was always just about loving, 316 00:14:56,920 --> 00:15:00,280 Speaker 1: loving God and allowing my heart to kind of let 317 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 1: him living back. Let me walk through this. You finished 318 00:15:02,760 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 1: high school, you go to college, your baseball player, you're 319 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:10,120 Speaker 1: probably playing gregg basketball to a dominating stupid not dominating Yeah, 320 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:14,520 Speaker 1: playing Uh, you're you're you're you're figuring out the music thing. 321 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 1: When do you go, Well, I've now decided that my 322 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:20,200 Speaker 1: career is in music and this is what I'm going 323 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:25,760 Speaker 1: to pursue. I think this switch happened um for me. 324 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 1: My really, when I met the guys, I was still 325 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:32,680 Speaker 1: kind of singing and writing songs and um, but I 326 00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:36,240 Speaker 1: just hadn't found like that aha moment where do you sing? Um? 327 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:38,560 Speaker 1: I saying, I still was still singing in church. Um. 328 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:42,040 Speaker 1: Were you around Nashville at all and sing any places here? No? 329 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:44,880 Speaker 1: It was mostly just like like I kind of said 330 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:47,160 Speaker 1: it was, it was mostly to myself like um, and 331 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:50,680 Speaker 1: like through church or whatever outlet. Um, there was what 332 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:52,320 Speaker 1: we were singing all the time, you know, there was 333 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 1: always like an event or whatever. Um. But when I 334 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 1: met the dudes, it was December of two thousand eleven. 335 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:01,160 Speaker 1: I think it was like kind of like right before 336 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 1: Christmas break um, my junior year. That was when it 337 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:08,000 Speaker 1: was like I met the dudes and I called my mom. 338 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:12,240 Speaker 1: It's kind of like, UM, it's like you know when 339 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:14,600 Speaker 1: you meet your wife or whatever, and it's like some 340 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:16,400 Speaker 1: people it's like the first day like call them mom 341 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 1: or whatever. Um, it was kind of that similar kind 342 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:24,400 Speaker 1: of type feeling. I'm very heart driven, very feelings oriented. 343 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 1: Um and I just had a feeling and I called 344 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:28,520 Speaker 1: my mom like crying. I was like, Mom, I really 345 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:32,360 Speaker 1: think that this is like the sound that feels like 346 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:36,360 Speaker 1: it's coming from something that's bigger or whatever. And and 347 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:37,680 Speaker 1: at the time, we were just kind of making these 348 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:40,800 Speaker 1: like folk bluegrass kind of type songs, like quirky songs 349 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:42,640 Speaker 1: or whatever. How do you meet both of them at 350 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:45,560 Speaker 1: the same time, though, So what's kind of interesting, Like 351 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:49,520 Speaker 1: my um my roommate at the time my junior year 352 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:53,000 Speaker 1: randomly new Nate. Nate was honestly kind of a figure 353 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:56,760 Speaker 1: around campus. Um. Everybody thought he was homeless. That's when 354 00:16:56,840 --> 00:16:59,640 Speaker 1: beards weren't very trendy. Like it was like, oh my gosh, 355 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:03,800 Speaker 1: who's at quirky kid? That's very sweet to everybody on 356 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:07,719 Speaker 1: campus or whatever in UM, so I called I just 357 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:09,520 Speaker 1: simply called him up and I was like, dude, you 358 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:13,720 Speaker 1: don't know me. You like, I'm just a baseball player. 359 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:15,840 Speaker 1: I just want to jam out with you. Which that's 360 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:18,320 Speaker 1: kind of a common thing that's like around Belmont. It's 361 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:19,680 Speaker 1: like to kind of go for a jam or whatever. 362 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:22,280 Speaker 1: With people, um, and I always like, dude, if you 363 00:17:22,320 --> 00:17:24,440 Speaker 1: have anybody that's in your wheelhouse that kind of plays 364 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:27,639 Speaker 1: similarly or you've been playing with, bring them along. And 365 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:30,920 Speaker 1: so it was their sophomore and freshman year and we 366 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:34,199 Speaker 1: met up for like some lunch and essentially wouldn't like 367 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:36,840 Speaker 1: played through some songs and it was like, I think 368 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:38,159 Speaker 1: it was kind of over for all of us. We 369 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:42,760 Speaker 1: just there was something like palpable that you know, it 370 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:45,280 Speaker 1: wasn't like crafted well crafted, but it was just kind 371 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 1: of like raw and organic and it just felt felt right. 372 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:50,600 Speaker 1: So the sound that you guys have, and I'm curious 373 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:52,239 Speaker 1: when you can trust that with the sound that you 374 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:54,880 Speaker 1: guys had, then you're in a room and you're playing 375 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:57,080 Speaker 1: let's like three months after this first meeting, Like what 376 00:17:57,160 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 1: kind of what is And I don't even know that 377 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:01,720 Speaker 1: it's Judea the Lion yet, but what is? What? What? 378 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:05,199 Speaker 1: What's the sound that you guys were rolling within? It 379 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:11,680 Speaker 1: was very like folk like like we wore like top 380 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:16,320 Speaker 1: hats and like we wore suspenders and stuff and our 381 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 1: it was more like the Lane of Americana probably fit 382 00:18:20,119 --> 00:18:26,359 Speaker 1: in and more kind of unlike nothing was crafted like 383 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:28,200 Speaker 1: it was. It was just rang and honestly was just 384 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:30,200 Speaker 1: kind of raw us. It was. It was just the 385 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:32,639 Speaker 1: banjo of the mandolin, and we had a cello at 386 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:34,880 Speaker 1: the time, and we had a female vocalist and and so, 387 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:36,880 Speaker 1: and we were very inspired by like what was going 388 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:39,119 Speaker 1: on in the folk scene then the women Ears and 389 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:42,520 Speaker 1: Mumford were just kind of starting out. And Um honestly 390 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:45,280 Speaker 1: didn't even listen to womin Ears or Mumford until people 391 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:47,880 Speaker 1: started kind of comparing or whatever, and then I was like, Oh, 392 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:49,760 Speaker 1: these guys are sick or whatever. So it was definitely 393 00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:52,080 Speaker 1: more kind of in that. I mean, I had a 394 00:18:52,119 --> 00:18:54,520 Speaker 1: kick drum that I played, um while playing the guitar, 395 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 1: So it was kind of just stripped shipped back, UM 396 00:18:57,320 --> 00:18:59,919 Speaker 1: more kind of simple. I guess did they see it 397 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:05,160 Speaker 1: is a long term band solution live plan? Dude? Nate. 398 00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:09,920 Speaker 1: Nate dropped out of school like three months after we met. 399 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:13,280 Speaker 1: He was like this is it? Oh, he was into it. 400 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 1: He was like this is it? Like he like out 401 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 1: of every all of us, all three of us, um, 402 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:20,320 Speaker 1: he was the one that just kind of believed, like 403 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 1: from the kick out, that this was going to be something. Um. 404 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:27,800 Speaker 1: I think for me it was like I I love music, 405 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 1: and I loved writing and I love performing. Um, but 406 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:33,480 Speaker 1: like I said, I was like, I don't, I don't. 407 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:35,280 Speaker 1: I don't know if it's like cocky for me to 408 00:19:35,359 --> 00:19:37,879 Speaker 1: think that people would want to, like, I don't know, 409 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 1: he would want to come and like watch me sing 410 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:42,920 Speaker 1: my own songs. And I think there's a healthy arrogance 411 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:45,080 Speaker 1: and I would say ego to it, because I have 412 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:47,920 Speaker 1: I struggle with that still today, Like who is going 413 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:50,359 Speaker 1: to one spend the morning listen to me talking on 414 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:52,960 Speaker 1: the radio, or to come out and pay, you know, 415 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:55,080 Speaker 1: forty bucks for a ticket to watch me to stand up? 416 00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 1: And I'm like, so I really think I'm good enough 417 00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:01,520 Speaker 1: that people will dedicate their time and their money to. 418 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:05,120 Speaker 1: It's a weird things and I've struggled with that. It's 419 00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:06,600 Speaker 1: funny to hear you say that too, So that was 420 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:09,960 Speaker 1: going on in your head? Yeah, I was. Maybe it 421 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:11,919 Speaker 1: was more practical for me. I was like, this is 422 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:14,119 Speaker 1: not gonna happen, like, you know, we're more likely to 423 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:16,360 Speaker 1: get struck by lightning for this thing to like really go. 424 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:20,800 Speaker 1: And yeah, I think Nate was like right away. I 425 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:25,640 Speaker 1: think Brian was kind of a little bit later. Um, yeah, 426 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:29,120 Speaker 1: I think I think it was after a little bit 427 00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:30,840 Speaker 1: of pushing and some of the shows that were out 428 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:35,120 Speaker 1: of town that really started to even if they were 429 00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:37,800 Speaker 1: small crowds, you could kind of fill the passion in 430 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:40,240 Speaker 1: the room or whatever to have kind of like really 431 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:42,720 Speaker 1: loyal fans. That was when it was like, oh, this 432 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:46,679 Speaker 1: might actually be like something that people can attach themselves to. 433 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:49,200 Speaker 1: Where do the fans build from it? First? Like, how 434 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:51,400 Speaker 1: did the word get out about you guys? I would 435 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:55,520 Speaker 1: say mostly was mostly college uh, like Athens, Georgia. That's 436 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 1: like will always be like when evoured we we um. 437 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:01,080 Speaker 1: We booked this show we I was on I had 438 00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:05,040 Speaker 1: a mandatory n C a like weekend off or whatever. 439 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:07,640 Speaker 1: They they're like you can't practice or play games, blah 440 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:11,439 Speaker 1: blah blah dead week um. And so we booked this 441 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:13,520 Speaker 1: show and our managers at the time was like, you 442 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:15,400 Speaker 1: guys are stupid for booking this show. We were only 443 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:18,720 Speaker 1: we were booking our own things. We actually like had like, um, 444 00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:21,200 Speaker 1: we made up like our own voice for an agent. 445 00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:23,240 Speaker 1: I would just clear a call and be like hey 446 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:26,360 Speaker 1: this is so and so, like representing to the line 447 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:29,960 Speaker 1: or whatever. And we booked this room was like seven 448 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:32,919 Speaker 1: cap Rain or whatever, which we had no business booking 449 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:36,520 Speaker 1: looking back, um, but we are managers. Was like this 450 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:40,160 Speaker 1: is stupid, like it's not gonna work or whatever. And anyways, 451 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:42,879 Speaker 1: we get there and the show sold out somehow, we 452 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:45,440 Speaker 1: don't know how, Like there was this, um a friend Kate, 453 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:47,640 Speaker 1: that's a friend now that kind of like helped us 454 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:51,760 Speaker 1: promote it kind of naturally, and somehow people were singing 455 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:53,680 Speaker 1: the songs. And I just will never forget that moment 456 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:56,960 Speaker 1: of being like, oh, we're not like in Nashville where 457 00:21:56,960 --> 00:22:00,640 Speaker 1: our friends kind of reluctantly come to this shows, or 458 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 1: like our moms are showing up or whatever. It was 459 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:05,840 Speaker 1: like these are real people, like they paid ten bucks 460 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:07,920 Speaker 1: or whatever they get get into this show. And it 461 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:10,480 Speaker 1: was like from then on it kind of it just 462 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:16,159 Speaker 1: felt like it kind of spread organically, like amongst the college. UM. 463 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 1: Belmont was was such an like a beautiful kind of 464 00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:22,800 Speaker 1: way too, because all you have all these people that 465 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:25,760 Speaker 1: obviously come in from everywhere, um, but then they spread 466 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:29,159 Speaker 1: out in the summer and so you would have you 467 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:31,359 Speaker 1: go play the shows in Georgia. We played at Bell 468 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:34,919 Speaker 1: Monard University of Arkansas, Texas, or a lot of our 469 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:39,400 Speaker 1: hometowns like Chicago, Nates from Klara Springs, I'm from Cookeville. Um, 470 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:40,760 Speaker 1: and then it just felt like it kind of started 471 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:43,440 Speaker 1: spreading kind of organically after that. Were they download of 472 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:45,840 Speaker 1: the music on iTunes at the time, like, how are 473 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:48,480 Speaker 1: the well that that's another thing we that was right 474 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:52,199 Speaker 1: before the whole streaming thing like really started. Um, I 475 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:54,520 Speaker 1: think that that was kind of starting. But um, we 476 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:58,200 Speaker 1: actually gave away our record for free on Noise Trade. UM. 477 00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:02,200 Speaker 1: That what what Noise Trade did at the time, um 478 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:05,200 Speaker 1: is they would essentially give your record away for free. Um, 479 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:06,960 Speaker 1: but you would get an email in a turn, and 480 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:10,199 Speaker 1: so as a new band, like emails were like like 481 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:12,520 Speaker 1: an email address to send to someone to market I'm 482 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:15,240 Speaker 1: coming to your town. And how many songs do you 483 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:17,960 Speaker 1: put up on this Noise Trade? Like six songs? It's 484 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:20,000 Speaker 1: like just an ep any of them? Any good that 485 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:22,120 Speaker 1: you look like now and go? I think could still 486 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:25,280 Speaker 1: survived today. I think there's a song called Backskins the 487 00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:28,439 Speaker 1: Wall that we still play. UM. Sweet Tennessee was on 488 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:31,560 Speaker 1: that record that sometimes it gets played at the University 489 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:33,720 Speaker 1: of Tennessee football game. So there's there's some songs that 490 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:36,719 Speaker 1: are like even though we were young and still in college. 491 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:39,959 Speaker 1: It still feels like us. Um, like you would hear 492 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:41,320 Speaker 1: the song and be like, oh yeah, that sounds like 493 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:45,080 Speaker 1: Judo in the line. Like five years ago or whatever. 494 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:47,280 Speaker 1: What was the situation like with you as living were 495 00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:49,159 Speaker 1: you living together now where all three of your roommates 496 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:53,600 Speaker 1: were all still separate? So Nate Nate was homeless. Um, 497 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:55,960 Speaker 1: this is kind of funny looking back. Nate was like 498 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:57,840 Speaker 1: he chose to be homeless essentially, Like he was does 499 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:00,639 Speaker 1: I mean homeless though? He's just like lived on friends 500 00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:03,399 Speaker 1: flours and it's always been like a traveler. So like 501 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 1: he would go and just for a week if he 502 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:09,800 Speaker 1: had a friend like in Fayetteville or whatever. You'd be like, Hey, 503 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:12,400 Speaker 1: can I go sleep in your couch for a week 504 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 1: or whatever? We have these weeks off? Um, Me and 505 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:18,720 Speaker 1: Brian actually shared a bed in the room like a 506 00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:20,520 Speaker 1: room that we were at. Um. So it was just 507 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:24,359 Speaker 1: kind of like we were always together and had no money, 508 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:26,040 Speaker 1: had like we were, you know, living off of like 509 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:29,600 Speaker 1: grilled cheese and raman or whatever. What were you driving 510 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:34,600 Speaker 1: around uh in my high school jeep wrangler and so 511 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:38,080 Speaker 1: you were cramming it full of everything? Oh no, we were, 512 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:40,840 Speaker 1: we have we had cletus the van, like we uh 513 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:44,920 Speaker 1: we bought her. Uh, we just sold her. So that's 514 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:48,840 Speaker 1: kind of emotional me talking about clus But we bought 515 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:52,480 Speaker 1: her as soon as we could afford that the debt 516 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:55,280 Speaker 1: or whatever. And we were We lived in that fifteen 517 00:24:55,280 --> 00:25:00,320 Speaker 1: passenger white van for six years. Who drives, we all 518 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:04,359 Speaker 1: do definitely a different flavor though. It's like it's so 519 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:07,360 Speaker 1: funny you can tell like where each person is from 520 00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:10,720 Speaker 1: based off the where they drive. Very interesting where they drive, 521 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:16,080 Speaker 1: how they drive. Yeah, so Brian from Chicago, remember like 522 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:18,119 Speaker 1: driving him with him the first time in the fifteen 523 00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:20,520 Speaker 1: passenger and it was so scary. He is just like 524 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:24,000 Speaker 1: he's on a mission. We're in the car. If he's driving, 525 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,400 Speaker 1: it's like we're gonna get there as fast as we can. 526 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:29,679 Speaker 1: Um for me, like I'm a cookbook kid and so 527 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:32,080 Speaker 1: like I remember crossing into like the Northeast for the 528 00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:35,680 Speaker 1: first time and people like honking at us because we're 529 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:38,120 Speaker 1: in a white van with a trailer and I don't 530 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:42,120 Speaker 1: know how to drive it. Um actually my uncle's trailer, 531 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:45,320 Speaker 1: which is um kind of funny thing back. But yeah, 532 00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:47,760 Speaker 1: just like getting honked dead in the South, like it 533 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:50,560 Speaker 1: ruins your day, Like I remember being like so bummed 534 00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:53,199 Speaker 1: going into our show in Phillygees because I made like 535 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:56,480 Speaker 1: three or four people like super upset the way there. 536 00:25:57,400 --> 00:25:58,760 Speaker 1: But yeah, it's kind of funny. We all, we all 537 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:02,760 Speaker 1: kind of helped Ivan do a thing. You've heard me 538 00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:04,960 Speaker 1: talking about how much I love my sleep number bed, 539 00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:07,600 Speaker 1: but not only me, because who cares about me? Amy? 540 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:09,600 Speaker 1: You love yours two? Right? Oh yeah, it's amazing. And 541 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:12,040 Speaker 1: with you, you you and your husband can have different sleep 542 00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:15,520 Speaker 1: number settings. Yeah, that's the best part. Because I'm a 543 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:18,600 Speaker 1: forty and he's a sixty. That's old you guys are no, no, no, no, 544 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:22,240 Speaker 1: that's our sleep number. My sleep number setting is thirty. 545 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:24,680 Speaker 1: There's never been a better time to save on proven 546 00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:27,399 Speaker 1: quality sleep right now and during the Memorial Day sale, 547 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:31,720 Speaker 1: the Queen three sixty smart bed starts at only so 548 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:34,920 Speaker 1: many couples disagree on mattress firmness, and if I'm correct, 549 00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:37,919 Speaker 1: you guys almost split up over that. Huh Okay, I mean, 550 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:40,800 Speaker 1: I'm kidding, but they do. 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And not to compare 585 00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:23,600 Speaker 1: the two and say that you're like Bob Dylan, but 586 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,280 Speaker 1: that situation is similar. Was that a thing where some 587 00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:28,200 Speaker 1: people were getting irrited? You guys were kind of switching 588 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:30,920 Speaker 1: the style a bit, like after we came out with 589 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:35,000 Speaker 1: Foul Cop and Row, which is our previous record, Like 590 00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:37,720 Speaker 1: the first couple weeks, like I needed I had to 591 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:40,560 Speaker 1: get off the internet because like people were just our 592 00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:44,200 Speaker 1: old fans were like so piste off and like I 593 00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:47,200 Speaker 1: didn't know why we would add distortion to the banjo, 594 00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:49,720 Speaker 1: didn't know why we we needed or we felt they 595 00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:53,560 Speaker 1: need to add like some hip hop flavors and then 596 00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:57,280 Speaker 1: adding the synth and UM doing some like weird things 597 00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:00,440 Speaker 1: to my vocal just kind of for the fun. UM 598 00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:02,800 Speaker 1: it was like it was for It was like honestly, 599 00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:04,560 Speaker 1: like look at each other. After a month, we're like, man, 600 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,720 Speaker 1: we might be done as a band. And I remember 601 00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:11,400 Speaker 1: one of our musical mentors he did text me that 602 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:14,640 Speaker 1: he said, you know, like after he heard the new 603 00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:16,720 Speaker 1: record before we released it, he texted me and was like, 604 00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:20,080 Speaker 1: this is going to make a lot of people upset. 605 00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:24,200 Speaker 1: But just like UM and and obviously at a very 606 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:27,800 Speaker 1: different level, just like when Doing changed over to electric 607 00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:29,520 Speaker 1: it made a lot of people upset. But you have 608 00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:32,000 Speaker 1: to do what you have to do UM for your 609 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:34,920 Speaker 1: creative flows and for you to move forward and what 610 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:38,720 Speaker 1: you think that the band's going. And so UM. I 611 00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:41,240 Speaker 1: guess about four or five months after it was when 612 00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:42,960 Speaker 1: it really started to actually pick up and it was 613 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:47,040 Speaker 1: kind of getting into the ears. It took a while, Yeah, 614 00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:48,800 Speaker 1: and for a while did you feel like, oh man, 615 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:52,840 Speaker 1: maybe we didn't do the right like dang, we're quitting music, 616 00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:57,080 Speaker 1: like we're done. UM, But yeah, that there was there 617 00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:59,200 Speaker 1: was kind of like a palpable moment of just like, oh, 618 00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:01,880 Speaker 1: people now are like really get it and kind of 619 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:05,920 Speaker 1: understand that. You know, that's that's kind of who we 620 00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:07,240 Speaker 1: are as a band. We want to kind of change 621 00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:10,320 Speaker 1: and grow, and hopefully with each record we can do that. 622 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:11,719 Speaker 1: I'm gonna play a little bit of take it all 623 00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,400 Speaker 1: back here. Here's that. By the way, three Weeks has 624 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:26,120 Speaker 1: a number one song. How about that? Amazing um massive 625 00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:28,720 Speaker 1: fan of you guys in the song, But I just 626 00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:31,160 Speaker 1: I hear you and I'm like, what if you get 627 00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:33,440 Speaker 1: a cold? Like how did you sing like that? When 628 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:36,120 Speaker 1: you get a cold? Are you get allergy? Like you 629 00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:38,640 Speaker 1: live in the allergy capital of freaking North America. I 630 00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:40,760 Speaker 1: think that helps, honestly, be being out on the road 631 00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:45,560 Speaker 1: because you're like more you're kind of better at defending 632 00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:50,320 Speaker 1: it than maybe other places. Uh, a little cold is 633 00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:53,000 Speaker 1: actually better for me. That That's like my hotspot from 634 00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:55,320 Speaker 1: my book. Always like if we're going into the studio, 635 00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:59,160 Speaker 1: it's like you're looking not all the door knobs, like 636 00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:00,760 Speaker 1: if you just look in at hold. I was like, 637 00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:02,640 Speaker 1: cough on, hey, can you cough for me just a 638 00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,800 Speaker 1: little bit? But yeah, if it's it's too much, it's 639 00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:08,440 Speaker 1: too much, especially for some of the I like kind 640 00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:12,120 Speaker 1: of having like this punk rock flavor, like for the 641 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:14,880 Speaker 1: live show, which is more kind of like aggressive and 642 00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:19,120 Speaker 1: screaming at times and whatever. Um So, it definitely helps 643 00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:21,080 Speaker 1: when you have a healthy voice. I'm assuming this song 644 00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:22,680 Speaker 1: was a big Tony point for you guys as far 645 00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:25,200 Speaker 1: as just feeling love from not only your die hards 646 00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:27,400 Speaker 1: it's been there forever, but new fans just come piling 647 00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:31,720 Speaker 1: in right. Yes, this song, uh was a part of 648 00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:34,640 Speaker 1: that transition that I was talking about about six months 649 00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:38,120 Speaker 1: was when it really kind of started to happen and 650 00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:41,920 Speaker 1: people it felt like new listeners kind of understood what 651 00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:44,760 Speaker 1: we were doing in a way that we had an 652 00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:47,479 Speaker 1: experienced up until that point in the record record cycle. 653 00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:51,719 Speaker 1: Um So this this song especially kind of lifted lifted 654 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:54,720 Speaker 1: it up in three weeks at number one, not just one. 655 00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:57,520 Speaker 1: Do you watch the charts, You're like, Oh, we're getting close, boys, 656 00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:00,560 Speaker 1: We're getting close. That's the thing that I love being 657 00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:02,360 Speaker 1: involved on the business side of what we do, and 658 00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:06,720 Speaker 1: I love like pushing our team and I'm more like 659 00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:10,240 Speaker 1: I love that side was like as well as the 660 00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:13,560 Speaker 1: creative um but I try to look at the charts. 661 00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:17,920 Speaker 1: I just try to like, um, I think the last 662 00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:19,959 Speaker 1: thing that I would want to do for like for 663 00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:22,440 Speaker 1: creativity or for writing songs is to be thinking about 664 00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:24,200 Speaker 1: what would work on the chart and rather than it 665 00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:27,840 Speaker 1: just coming from a creative outlet that doesn't have like 666 00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:30,840 Speaker 1: any barriers or any kind of I don't know. Yeah, 667 00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:33,120 Speaker 1: but are you watching as it's climbing and you're like, oh, 668 00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:36,840 Speaker 1: we're definitely watching because it happened on Christmas Day? Yeah, 669 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,680 Speaker 1: we like, uh, I guess I don't know whenever the 670 00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:42,480 Speaker 1: chart went active, like I guess it was after the 671 00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,280 Speaker 1: New Year's or whatever, um, but we found out on 672 00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:47,440 Speaker 1: Christmas Day that it it wasn't mean like the number one um. 673 00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:49,320 Speaker 1: And then they have the two weeks to follow, which 674 00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:50,840 Speaker 1: it was really really cool. Do you know what's long? 675 00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:57,200 Speaker 1: Replace you guys? I don't who dethroned you after three weeks? 676 00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,760 Speaker 1: Probably some like it's not like the same game at thrones. 677 00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:01,840 Speaker 1: What we were holding out that you're saying their name 678 00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:04,240 Speaker 1: over and over again until you can know. I don't. 679 00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:07,000 Speaker 1: I don't have that much animosity towards whoever de thrilled this. 680 00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:21,160 Speaker 1: I had a number four song here Suit and Jacket 681 00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:27,360 Speaker 1: talking about that one for a second. So this this 682 00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:31,080 Speaker 1: song was actually written um and pretty I was going 683 00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:34,920 Speaker 1: through like a lot of new stuff life. I Uh, 684 00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:37,560 Speaker 1: my first nephew was born and I got to go 685 00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:40,520 Speaker 1: meet meet the little dude out in California and I 686 00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:43,280 Speaker 1: was just such an amazing moment. And then follow that 687 00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:45,800 Speaker 1: up about a month later, my grandpa was very close 688 00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:48,400 Speaker 1: with like suddenly passed away from a pretty aggressive form 689 00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:50,960 Speaker 1: of lung cancer. Um. And then one of my best 690 00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:54,440 Speaker 1: friend from high school after like almost like three weeks 691 00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:57,480 Speaker 1: after my grandpa passed, he passed with a pretty aggressive 692 00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:01,760 Speaker 1: form of like leukemia. UM. And I've been around you know, 693 00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:03,520 Speaker 1: new life at that point, but not to the extent 694 00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:05,360 Speaker 1: it where it's like my nephew. It's just like it 695 00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:07,240 Speaker 1: kind of feels like my own flesh and blood. I 696 00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:10,600 Speaker 1: don't have children yet, but it just it was just surreal, 697 00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:14,399 Speaker 1: like holding him and then to walk out, UM through too. 698 00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:17,319 Speaker 1: I'm very close with Blake, Blake and and FAF my 699 00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:21,840 Speaker 1: my grandpa and I had never been around like death. 700 00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:25,640 Speaker 1: That was I guess like the week before like they 701 00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:27,600 Speaker 1: kind of knew, you know, it was like the doctor can. 702 00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:31,120 Speaker 1: I was like, you don't have you know much um, 703 00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:33,239 Speaker 1: time left and with both instances, we were about to 704 00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:34,680 Speaker 1: go out out on the road, and so I I 705 00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:38,000 Speaker 1: went and visited both of them respectively at different times, 706 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:41,239 Speaker 1: and um, it was just such like a marketing, very 707 00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:44,359 Speaker 1: marking experience to to talk with two people that were 708 00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:48,200 Speaker 1: going through like what it looks like to pass and 709 00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:54,000 Speaker 1: um it was very like beautiful and sad and painful. 710 00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:58,520 Speaker 1: And UM, I think with with student Jacket, it's kind 711 00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:01,880 Speaker 1: of like a dramatic instrow to and Jacket, But I 712 00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:03,600 Speaker 1: think it was just like we wanted the right a 713 00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:05,960 Speaker 1: song that was like it was kind of like one 714 00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:08,000 Speaker 1: of those ah ha moments of like why are we 715 00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:12,400 Speaker 1: doing this? Like why are we making music? Why? Um, 716 00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:16,279 Speaker 1: it's not about like becoming famous or the fluff for 717 00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:19,840 Speaker 1: making a lot of money or whatever, Like we wanted 718 00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:22,600 Speaker 1: to get to mean something and so like I don't 719 00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:26,359 Speaker 1: know that this song a lot kind of instills like that, 720 00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:29,200 Speaker 1: like what are we doing with life? Like what are 721 00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:30,920 Speaker 1: what are our listeners doing with your life? I don't 722 00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:33,680 Speaker 1: care if you're gonna count it, if you're Bobby Bones, 723 00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:36,520 Speaker 1: if you're a doctor, if you're an artist, Like we 724 00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:38,880 Speaker 1: all need to get after life because we're not promised 725 00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:41,240 Speaker 1: tomorrow and so, um, I think that's what I learned 726 00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:43,880 Speaker 1: so much through that. And what would I tell my 727 00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:47,279 Speaker 1: little nephew about life? Um? And I think that is 728 00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:49,560 Speaker 1: just to get after it. I get a little bit 729 00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:58,080 Speaker 1: more of this. What do you list? So we have 730 00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:01,560 Speaker 1: we have our first set, um, like really first set 731 00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:04,360 Speaker 1: with the new stuff and some of the old stuff. 732 00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:06,040 Speaker 1: This is gonna be like I think it's gonna be 733 00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:10,600 Speaker 1: mid midway. What do you always a good um? Icebrigger? Uh, 734 00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:12,600 Speaker 1: We're still gonna end what they get all back right now. 735 00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:14,719 Speaker 1: What's what's interesting about that song is I guess you 736 00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:17,400 Speaker 1: guys had written it and you played it for like 737 00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:18,879 Speaker 1: a like a year and a half or something before 738 00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:21,160 Speaker 1: you ever cut it two years before the two years 739 00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:23,400 Speaker 1: and so you kept playing it and you guys as 740 00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:26,960 Speaker 1: people will be like, yo, where the song? Yeah yeah, 741 00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:29,759 Speaker 1: and you're like, we only got it yet. It's kind 742 00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:33,120 Speaker 1: of like what Luke Combs just did with being Never 743 00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:35,680 Speaker 1: Broke My Heart Now, like, hey, put up the So 744 00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:37,839 Speaker 1: you finally make this and by the way, after two 745 00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:40,000 Speaker 1: years of building, it's like, how do we cut this 746 00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:44,160 Speaker 1: thing exactly? Right? Like people? It was very hard, yeah, yeah, 747 00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:47,120 Speaker 1: and it had it had such a cool live feel. 748 00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:49,359 Speaker 1: But we obviously like when people listen to the record, 749 00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:51,040 Speaker 1: they want to hear it from a record, not like 750 00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:53,680 Speaker 1: the live version. Um. So it was fun to kind 751 00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:56,319 Speaker 1: of actually mixed mix and match um because up to 752 00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:59,680 Speaker 1: that point, like we've never recorded up to this last record, 753 00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:02,960 Speaker 1: never recorded anything to click. Um. So if you add 754 00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,600 Speaker 1: kind of the popular or whatever elements to a thing 755 00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:09,279 Speaker 1: that's not on a grid, you know, it becomes really hard. 756 00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:11,520 Speaker 1: But um in the vocals, like the live part of 757 00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:13,279 Speaker 1: this is actually part of the live show, right, Like 758 00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:16,360 Speaker 1: you took some of them singing you put it on 759 00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:19,239 Speaker 1: this track. Yeah, we had four We essentially had our 760 00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:23,239 Speaker 1: three iPhones just at the at the front of the 761 00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:26,200 Speaker 1: stage and had people sing um the chorus or whatever, 762 00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:28,160 Speaker 1: which was really fun. It was back in my hometown 763 00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:31,040 Speaker 1: cook Folle. We had we did like a outside show there. 764 00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:32,600 Speaker 1: It was it was cool. They have a sign for 765 00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:37,920 Speaker 1: you yet like hometown Cookville, Tennessee, hometown of Judah, anyone 766 00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:43,320 Speaker 1: else from your hometown famous? Yeah, rich frowning, rich frowning. 767 00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:46,399 Speaker 1: Oh um, he's uh, he's like to fit it. He's 768 00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:48,560 Speaker 1: been like the fittest man on earth four or five times. 769 00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:51,239 Speaker 1: He's like like a body the CrossFit. Yeah, like the 770 00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:53,399 Speaker 1: weight lifter guy. He's essentially I don't know if he's 771 00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:56,120 Speaker 1: only seen I've seen that guy in ESPN. Yeah, he 772 00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:58,920 Speaker 1: took me as he's like, he's like kind of the 773 00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:02,680 Speaker 1: face of cross fit. Okay, but arguably I would say 774 00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:06,000 Speaker 1: that so far you're winning. Anyone else. I'm just seeing 775 00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:07,920 Speaker 1: who's gonna be on the sign, Like if they got 776 00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:09,880 Speaker 1: to pick a sign, so far, I think it's you, Judah, No, 777 00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:13,120 Speaker 1: it's definitely rich. It's it's you and a guy doing curls. 778 00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:16,719 Speaker 1: So what so what in Nashville. You're married. I've been 779 00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:18,640 Speaker 1: for how long I'm married? Yeah, going on four years. 780 00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:20,440 Speaker 1: It's crazy. What do you guys do for fun? Like, 781 00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:22,960 Speaker 1: what's what's the what's the thing. We Well, we have 782 00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:24,960 Speaker 1: a dog, new dog. So we love going to the 783 00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:29,120 Speaker 1: parks now, um, whether it be Shelby Park or uh 784 00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:32,400 Speaker 1: Severe whatever and just like walk around with with our 785 00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:36,880 Speaker 1: our puppy. We love um like going out to dinner 786 00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:40,439 Speaker 1: and going to get coffee like Crama or Steadfast or 787 00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:45,000 Speaker 1: barrista parlor wherever people get coffee. Um, we we love 788 00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:46,880 Speaker 1: all that stuff. We love the community that we have 789 00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:50,880 Speaker 1: kind of around. We love like growing out and doing 790 00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:53,040 Speaker 1: the thing. It's like, for me, home is such a 791 00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:55,200 Speaker 1: I'm kind of a natural. Like naturally, I'm kind of 792 00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:58,440 Speaker 1: a home body. Um So for me, home is just 793 00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:01,000 Speaker 1: so much about doing the simple things like cooking and 794 00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:04,160 Speaker 1: um walking your dog and just being with your wife. 795 00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:08,480 Speaker 1: You work out, I saw it, that's that same thing. 796 00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:10,440 Speaker 1: It's not the same thing. That's why I said I 797 00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:12,040 Speaker 1: would just saw it every day and never work out 798 00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:15,040 Speaker 1: of my kid. I'd just be like, but we all 799 00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:19,799 Speaker 1: aren't as genetically blessed you, so would your dad, big dude? Yeah, 800 00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:21,759 Speaker 1: kind of it was an athlete. He was an athlete. Yeah, 801 00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:25,160 Speaker 1: what do you do sportswise like he played? He played. 802 00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:29,160 Speaker 1: He was really a basketball player. Yeah, I'm so jealous. 803 00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:32,640 Speaker 1: I'm jealous. You have all the skills. I saw those 804 00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:35,360 Speaker 1: running videos of either day with your shirt off you look. 805 00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:37,239 Speaker 1: You know what those running videos they made fun of 806 00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:38,680 Speaker 1: me because I like swing my hands in a very 807 00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:41,239 Speaker 1: feminine way when I run. So I'm glad you bring 808 00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:43,839 Speaker 1: that up because I'm running. Like Hey, Like I get 809 00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:47,000 Speaker 1: like I've donna called the internet or so mean, but 810 00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:51,760 Speaker 1: they keep us honest too, So I don't look at Facebook. 811 00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:55,400 Speaker 1: I can't because it's just Facebook. You guys, you just 812 00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:58,879 Speaker 1: got Instagram. They're like in December. Yeah, well we kind 813 00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:00,560 Speaker 1: of did the whole like go way thing and then 814 00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:04,400 Speaker 1: came back. When when did the band's page start? Uh? 815 00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:06,400 Speaker 1: Yeah a few years ago when we started, and then 816 00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:09,080 Speaker 1: you shut it down, shut it down, and we we 817 00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:11,520 Speaker 1: wanted this record to be kind of dramatic, so we 818 00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:13,279 Speaker 1: did the Taylor Swift shutdown things and they came back, 819 00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:16,920 Speaker 1: it off and then brought it all back. I do 820 00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:21,360 Speaker 1: run a little feminine, would you? Probably pretty Maskelyn Runner? Huh? 821 00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:23,400 Speaker 1: He probably run by and the like that's a man's 822 00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:27,160 Speaker 1: man right there. Maybe No, I might have some some 823 00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:29,960 Speaker 1: quirkiness there too. How did you meet your wife? She 824 00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:33,640 Speaker 1: was a songwriting major at Belmont um and yeah, just 825 00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:36,240 Speaker 1: through through school. We met just throw our friend group 826 00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:39,120 Speaker 1: and that was another it was on for me when 827 00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:41,239 Speaker 1: I when after the first day, it was like, it's over. 828 00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:43,359 Speaker 1: I gotta convince this girl I don't really like me? 829 00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:47,360 Speaker 1: Was there more love initially meeting the band? Your wife? 830 00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:51,400 Speaker 1: Obviously the wife obviously? Why are you winking any kid? 831 00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:54,759 Speaker 1: He's not waking appy, he's not waking amy, So um 832 00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:56,480 Speaker 1: all right, let's let me let me go some of 833 00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:59,919 Speaker 1: this new stuff here. Um, let's do over my head. 834 00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:04,879 Speaker 1: Here we go. I've heard this on the radio, right, 835 00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:06,880 Speaker 1: this is right, this is one that we played. Huh 836 00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:10,400 Speaker 1: top ten May top ten is still moving? Uh? We 837 00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:13,080 Speaker 1: still the single? We kind of well, we we kind 838 00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:16,400 Speaker 1: of stuffed that. We we started pushing another one. Essentially 839 00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:18,799 Speaker 1: this one on the radio chose up. So what's the 840 00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:23,640 Speaker 1: point if that's our purpose? All this stressing? What are 841 00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:27,160 Speaker 1: you guys on? Now? A song called why did You Run? Um? 842 00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:37,000 Speaker 1: Here's that one. I wasn't What do you like in 843 00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:39,160 Speaker 1: the studio? If you're going how many times are you 844 00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:40,680 Speaker 1: singing this song? Are you I need to do it 845 00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:42,279 Speaker 1: a hundred times to get it right? Or you feel 846 00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:45,480 Speaker 1: good pretty early? You know? I think that we kind 847 00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:50,920 Speaker 1: of came from the Ruld Book of um perfection imperfect 848 00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:55,080 Speaker 1: the imperfections make beautiful like music. Um, and those kind 849 00:41:55,120 --> 00:42:00,000 Speaker 1: of what did uh? Robin Williams saying uh um, good 850 00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:03,240 Speaker 1: will hunting that the idiosyncrasies are the ones that really 851 00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:05,920 Speaker 1: make us like human beings. So we which we as 852 00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:08,640 Speaker 1: much as perfection as we like to get to with 853 00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:12,239 Speaker 1: with everything and all that. I think the imperfections and 854 00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:16,200 Speaker 1: not overthinking it is what makes it the beautiful music 855 00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:19,680 Speaker 1: that um we hope we strive to uh to put out. 856 00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:28,239 Speaker 1: Your movie guy, I would say once six I'm a big, 857 00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:31,360 Speaker 1: big show guy like TV TV shows. I'm more like 858 00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:35,720 Speaker 1: a foreign movies. It's just a long time. I agree. 859 00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:37,080 Speaker 1: There's like we have a lot of a lot of 860 00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:39,319 Speaker 1: friends that going to movies. Members like I don't know 861 00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:41,239 Speaker 1: I would even go to a theater. I'm still haven't 862 00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:43,160 Speaker 1: seen adventures. I have to go seen adventures. I haven't 863 00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:46,279 Speaker 1: seen it. I just I don't want to touch things 864 00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:49,600 Speaker 1: that people have been touching. Oh interesting, I'm not in 865 00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:51,839 Speaker 1: you know how kind there You know how you would 866 00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:53,840 Speaker 1: like want gnrhe and stuff so you can see what 867 00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:55,799 Speaker 1: is that what you said, Elidy want to say, I 868 00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:57,719 Speaker 1: don't want to touch in that stuff. I'm not. I'm 869 00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:02,080 Speaker 1: not trying to catch anyone's like hand her. I just not. 870 00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:05,319 Speaker 1: So you're kind of a clean, clean free bit. You 871 00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:06,560 Speaker 1: know how you walked in you were like, Wow, the 872 00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:08,759 Speaker 1: carpet sure is clean to the shoes. I just keep 873 00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:11,160 Speaker 1: things clean for the most part. Interesting, I like that. 874 00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:13,160 Speaker 1: That's where my wife is. I think with me though, 875 00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:16,520 Speaker 1: it's so deep rooted that if I don't know if 876 00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:19,600 Speaker 1: you spent much time in therapy, I have, And I 877 00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:22,120 Speaker 1: feel like I'm me because I just show up to work. 878 00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:24,879 Speaker 1: I am not incredibly I don't have an incredible skill set, 879 00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:26,239 Speaker 1: but I show up all the time and on time, 880 00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:27,919 Speaker 1: and I work. By the way, you were early here today, 881 00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:31,560 Speaker 1: look at you. You get an award, absolutely, and but 882 00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:32,840 Speaker 1: I show up all the time, and I show up 883 00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:34,160 Speaker 1: to work and I work hard, and I feel like 884 00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:36,319 Speaker 1: if I get sick, then I'm not able to do 885 00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:38,799 Speaker 1: the one thing that I can do. You just show 886 00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:41,960 Speaker 1: up and work right. And so if I get sick, 887 00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:44,600 Speaker 1: how do you get sick? Well by touching and licking things. 888 00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:47,239 Speaker 1: So I'm not trying to touch and licking. So it's 889 00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:49,680 Speaker 1: all it's very deep rooted that I'm not secure with 890 00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:52,960 Speaker 1: my ability to do anything like that. So I want 891 00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:54,520 Speaker 1: you start to peel it back. I'm not just weird. 892 00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:58,799 Speaker 1: I'm scared, you're just a professional. I'm scared that's what 893 00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:04,080 Speaker 1: shows you. Like, Well, I'm we're sorry. I kind of 894 00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:07,839 Speaker 1: mumbled there out and I'm hesitating to even say it. Yeah, 895 00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:10,520 Speaker 1: that's okay. I'm We're not gonna spoil it. I'm a 896 00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:13,160 Speaker 1: big fan. I love Game of Thrones. Ye, big fan. 897 00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:17,879 Speaker 1: I was reading a story today and depending on when 898 00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:20,000 Speaker 1: you guys hear this because these things last forever. But 899 00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:24,319 Speaker 1: how a lot of the people are they're petitioning for 900 00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:26,840 Speaker 1: them to be new writers and to rewrite this season, 901 00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:29,719 Speaker 1: the last season. How do you feel about that situation 902 00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:34,759 Speaker 1: without spoiling anything, I think it is what it is personally, 903 00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:40,200 Speaker 1: like they are they're trying to write and they're trying to, 904 00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:45,759 Speaker 1: you know, obviously provide the story that they think that 905 00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:48,680 Speaker 1: it's going to happen, because you know, with with the 906 00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:52,640 Speaker 1: books and they're coming out, they're not completed. So it's 907 00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:57,040 Speaker 1: like they've been given a pretty hard task. And yeah, 908 00:44:57,080 --> 00:45:00,120 Speaker 1: that the media has been like has been gnarly, like 909 00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:04,440 Speaker 1: everybody is just not liked. I don't know what I'm 910 00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:07,320 Speaker 1: allowed to say, but I loved it. For me speaking, 911 00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:09,319 Speaker 1: I love and I feel like the writers have been 912 00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:12,880 Speaker 1: have been and we're consulting with George armartin anyway, right 913 00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:16,880 Speaker 1: he totally had to sign up and on for whatever 914 00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:20,759 Speaker 1: happened to happen, and I think it gives him if 915 00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:22,560 Speaker 1: he decides to finish the book before he dies because 916 00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:24,640 Speaker 1: they're like, hey, dude, you don't get any skinnier and 917 00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:27,840 Speaker 1: you're getting older, so you needn't get the writing. I 918 00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:29,759 Speaker 1: think it gives him the freedom to actually go a 919 00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:32,960 Speaker 1: different way as well. Yeah, and which can make him 920 00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:36,719 Speaker 1: kind of the hero, which is sick. So okay, Game 921 00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:38,879 Speaker 1: with Thrones. I'm I'm totally down on Game of Thrones too. 922 00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:42,680 Speaker 1: Me and my wife watched The Office every single day too. Yeah, 923 00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:44,640 Speaker 1: Like it's I don't know if you're like this, but 924 00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:50,799 Speaker 1: oh I was. I was doing that. Um yeah, it's like, 925 00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:53,080 Speaker 1: I don't know. You're not supposed to go to sleep 926 00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:54,880 Speaker 1: with your phone, blah blah. I can not get for 927 00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:57,640 Speaker 1: your sleep. But you're a rock star with the phone, dude, 928 00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:00,520 Speaker 1: that's what rock stars doing now, sleep with But you 929 00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:04,560 Speaker 1: watch your comfort You watch Office on the phone? How 930 00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:08,839 Speaker 1: old are you? Typical typical young guy thing to watch 931 00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:10,520 Speaker 1: the shows on the phone before he goes to bed. 932 00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:13,840 Speaker 1: I'm doing the old Pilgrim thing. You kinda have to 933 00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:16,120 Speaker 1: get used to it. Yeah, I'm like an old colonial guy. 934 00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:18,280 Speaker 1: I'm watching on a TV before I go to sleep. 935 00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:21,000 Speaker 1: Whose your favorite character on the Office. Take Michael Scott 936 00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:27,640 Speaker 1: out of it. Creed is so fascinating me, right creating Kevin. Kevin, 937 00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:30,640 Speaker 1: Kevin's a good one. Kevin any It's so small, so 938 00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:34,839 Speaker 1: this blips, but to me so funny when he comes on. 939 00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:37,319 Speaker 1: There's so many like the Office wall always go down. 940 00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:39,239 Speaker 1: It's probably my favorite show, best show of all time. 941 00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:42,440 Speaker 1: Do you ever watched The British Office. I tried for 942 00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:47,440 Speaker 1: a few episodes and just it didn't. It didn't give 943 00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:49,640 Speaker 1: me what the other which makes sense, like even with 944 00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:51,040 Speaker 1: the Office, you kind of have to watch the first 945 00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:52,719 Speaker 1: season to kind of really start to understand it. So 946 00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:54,800 Speaker 1: I don't know if I really gave it like the 947 00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:57,719 Speaker 1: shot that it needed, but I haven't haven't done it yet. 948 00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:00,120 Speaker 1: It's funny when I recommend the people that I'm us 949 00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:03,239 Speaker 1: to to watch The Office, I'm always like, watch it. 950 00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:06,239 Speaker 1: But I'll be honest. The first season is not great. Yeah, 951 00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:09,480 Speaker 1: they're they're they're finding themselves. About middle season two is 952 00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:11,520 Speaker 1: when it starts to just raw. It's just it's on, 953 00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:14,200 Speaker 1: and it's on through about season seven where it loses 954 00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:16,200 Speaker 1: this place a bit after Michael, but then it comes back. 955 00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:20,800 Speaker 1: Gets That show is so good at bringing on second 956 00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:23,600 Speaker 1: I wouldn't even say secondary characters. Got's say creating Kevin 957 00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:27,560 Speaker 1: or secondary characters, but bringing in new characters and they 958 00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:30,200 Speaker 1: just feel like they belong, Like with Andy and Aaron. 959 00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:33,040 Speaker 1: They fit. And that never happens on a show where 960 00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:35,600 Speaker 1: you bring in main characters and you're like, oh, they're good, 961 00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:38,719 Speaker 1: we'll just keep going. Yeah, you like them. They feel 962 00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:41,040 Speaker 1: like they're part of the story. And my rule is, um, 963 00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:44,080 Speaker 1: ten years and you can actually talk about the ending 964 00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:47,400 Speaker 1: of a show like the tenure spoiler rule, Like openly, 965 00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:49,439 Speaker 1: I just found at the Office only ended six years ago. 966 00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:52,200 Speaker 1: Did you know that it only ended six years ago? Interesting? 967 00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:54,120 Speaker 1: So I guess we can spoil episode one of the 968 00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:58,799 Speaker 1: first season first toy? Yeah? So um yeah them, big 969 00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:01,840 Speaker 1: Office fan? What else you Big Office? I mean, I 970 00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:04,839 Speaker 1: guess now let's see what else am I watching? Other 971 00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:06,680 Speaker 1: than a Game of Thrones? What will be your platform? 972 00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:09,520 Speaker 1: Like when it's ton of pull up in your Netflix? Guy? Netflix? 973 00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:13,960 Speaker 1: Of course? Um have Yeah, I have Hulu. We just 974 00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:17,200 Speaker 1: we we had Hulu just for This is Us. Um 975 00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:21,680 Speaker 1: so I think we deleted it. Actually watched This is Us? Yeah, 976 00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:24,800 Speaker 1: I know they're not any of the Marvel stuff. Like 977 00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:27,520 Speaker 1: you ever watched The Punisher on Netflix? I've never watched it. No, 978 00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:30,080 Speaker 1: I just want one person to answer yesterday. At one point, 979 00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:34,520 Speaker 1: My it's so good, Okay, interesting you like shoot him up? 980 00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:37,360 Speaker 1: Stuff like do you like you like the superhero stuff? 981 00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:40,520 Speaker 1: Have you seen Avengers except for the last one? Uh 982 00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:45,080 Speaker 1: not the one before this one? Okay, but yeah, I'm 983 00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:47,719 Speaker 1: done with the Avengers. Yeah it's good, and I only 984 00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:49,200 Speaker 1: watched that. I'm not even that cool. I don't want 985 00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:53,000 Speaker 1: watch the second one, like three months ago. And except 986 00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:56,320 Speaker 1: for getting whatever clamydia I'm gonna get in the movie theater, 987 00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:00,960 Speaker 1: I would go, well, I'll go right now. Yes, it's 988 00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:03,719 Speaker 1: escalating the longer we go. You know, um, whenever you 989 00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:07,400 Speaker 1: came to the studio, Um, you came in. We played 990 00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:08,560 Speaker 1: for the first time that song that you did with 991 00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:12,840 Speaker 1: Casey Musgraves and had so good. This is called Pictures. 992 00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:22,959 Speaker 1: There we go like, guess all here, Oh good, we've come. 993 00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:30,960 Speaker 1: So that's from the new album Pep Talk. It's called Pictures. 994 00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:34,600 Speaker 1: So you're sitting in a room and who goes, hey, 995 00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:36,040 Speaker 1: maybe we should make this a duet or is it 996 00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:40,680 Speaker 1: written as a duet? It it was. What was funny 997 00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:43,520 Speaker 1: about this song is we came got into the studio 998 00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:45,800 Speaker 1: in versions, so we did like one week and a 999 00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:48,160 Speaker 1: half in May, week and a half in June, and 1000 00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:51,600 Speaker 1: week and half in July, and this this song came 1001 00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:53,600 Speaker 1: up at the weekend half in the kind of the 1002 00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:55,920 Speaker 1: middle middle part. We didn't even have this on like 1003 00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:58,279 Speaker 1: the list of songs that we were going to cut, UM, 1004 00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:00,520 Speaker 1: but I had this old voice memo. It's it's kind 1005 00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:01,719 Speaker 1: of the reason why we did it this way, so 1006 00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:03,879 Speaker 1: we could remember songs that we had written and blah blah, 1007 00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:07,080 Speaker 1: and I had this old voice memu of me just 1008 00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:09,319 Speaker 1: kind of planning it through the first time. After UM, 1009 00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:12,600 Speaker 1: I had written it that day and after I listened 1010 00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:14,560 Speaker 1: to this song, I was like, oh my gosh, this 1011 00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:19,480 Speaker 1: just needs like this needs Casey Musgraves on this case immediately, 1012 00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:22,120 Speaker 1: because I was so obsessed with the Golden Hour at 1013 00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:24,520 Speaker 1: the time that I was writing that song. And I 1014 00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:28,239 Speaker 1: was like, this sounds like I was just almost maybe subconsciously, 1015 00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:32,800 Speaker 1: just influenced by Casey and her writing and um and 1016 00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:36,000 Speaker 1: I'm not even I don't even want to compare uh 1017 00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:38,920 Speaker 1: this song to any of Casey songs, but like I 1018 00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:43,960 Speaker 1: could feel the kind of the natural the naturalness of 1019 00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:46,439 Speaker 1: like the voices together and her voice on the song, 1020 00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:51,560 Speaker 1: and um so we yeah, so we we essentially sent 1021 00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:54,239 Speaker 1: the demo that we made after that day. We're like, 1022 00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:56,359 Speaker 1: let's cut this song, let's see if let's let's see 1023 00:50:56,360 --> 00:50:59,200 Speaker 1: if she will do it. And she ended up randomly 1024 00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:01,440 Speaker 1: like really loving the story behind the song and loving 1025 00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:06,280 Speaker 1: the song and came in and did it. It was crazy. 1026 00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:08,640 Speaker 1: It's the only artist you've asked to do something and 1027 00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:10,560 Speaker 1: hop on a record. Have you been turned down before? 1028 00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:13,960 Speaker 1: We haven't been turned down yet, which is really cool. Uh, 1029 00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:16,040 Speaker 1: I like in life with all the girls, he probably 1030 00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:23,279 Speaker 1: just baseball. I feel like that's that's Stereotypes sometimes can 1031 00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:26,400 Speaker 1: bite you on the head some sometimes people hate that. Um. 1032 00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:28,799 Speaker 1: But we we had John Billion on this record as well, 1033 00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:31,800 Speaker 1: um so, and he's become like a clip buddy of ours? 1034 00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:34,319 Speaker 1: Is that right? Boy? His stuff is mind blowing. He 1035 00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:37,359 Speaker 1: is so good. He's so good even better human being, 1036 00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:39,360 Speaker 1: like you love him? How did you guys? How did 1037 00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:42,320 Speaker 1: you guys took up? We we did a tour together 1038 00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:45,760 Speaker 1: with twenty one pilots and just kind of became boys 1039 00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:49,080 Speaker 1: on that. He's also a big baller, um and so 1040 00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:51,800 Speaker 1: we would play basketball after the games and the arenas 1041 00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:54,640 Speaker 1: that we were at and I just love that dude, 1042 00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:56,680 Speaker 1: love his music, love his heart. So the tour was 1043 00:51:57,400 --> 00:52:02,080 Speaker 1: to Pilots John and you guys, what what's that? What's 1044 00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:04,759 Speaker 1: that whole scene? Like? That was such a fun tour. 1045 00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:07,239 Speaker 1: I mean we were we were like to take it 1046 00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:09,000 Speaker 1: all back. Was just kind of starting to happen at radio. 1047 00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:10,960 Speaker 1: So I don't even know why we belonged on that tours. 1048 00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:16,040 Speaker 1: You know, twenty one Pilots amazing live band. Um, we 1049 00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:17,840 Speaker 1: we were already kind of like in love with their 1050 00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:19,560 Speaker 1: music and their lives show and what they did, and 1051 00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:23,319 Speaker 1: we aspire to put on as energetic of a live 1052 00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:26,160 Speaker 1: show and um, anyways, when we got asked, it was like, 1053 00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:27,920 Speaker 1: oh my gosh, I cannot believe this happening. And then 1054 00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:30,440 Speaker 1: you get on the tour and it's like the fans 1055 00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:35,000 Speaker 1: are amazing, very like inclusive. Um, you get to see 1056 00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:37,360 Speaker 1: the production of what John Billions doing and what twenty 1057 00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:40,800 Speaker 1: one Pilots is doing, which is super inspiring and super 1058 00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:44,040 Speaker 1: like we try to become like super cult coachable in 1059 00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:47,400 Speaker 1: that um moment to just like learning like why is 1060 00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:50,600 Speaker 1: this working and why is this going so well? And 1061 00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:52,359 Speaker 1: like what's this culture that they're setting up? So it 1062 00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:54,879 Speaker 1: was such an amazing thing. And then getting to play 1063 00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:59,160 Speaker 1: the basketball. UM, like I think ten ten spots. It's 1064 00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:03,280 Speaker 1: really fun. Ten spots, like ten different venues. So like 1065 00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:07,160 Speaker 1: like when we were meant this play the Grizzlies, you 1066 00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:10,520 Speaker 1: you go to the NBA. Yeah, so we we played 1067 00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:13,200 Speaker 1: in the Grizzly stadium, but they have like a practice sport, 1068 00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:14,759 Speaker 1: so we gotta play. By the way, there's a better 1069 00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:16,640 Speaker 1: than any other court you're gonna get on. They're so sick. 1070 00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:19,720 Speaker 1: It was so fun. We did Mavericks, Boise State, and 1071 00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:22,319 Speaker 1: UM a couple of others that would just even getting 1072 00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:24,480 Speaker 1: into the who makes that call? Because I go places 1073 00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:27,759 Speaker 1: no way, let's mean anywhere, dude, that's all. That's all camp. 1074 00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:31,759 Speaker 1: That's that's not us called pilots. Next time they'll get 1075 00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:34,239 Speaker 1: me into hit Tyler Repp and he'll he'll make app 1076 00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:36,759 Speaker 1: What are those dudes like? You like them? Yeah? We 1077 00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:40,240 Speaker 1: love the whole twenty pots camp so good. UM obviously 1078 00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:44,960 Speaker 1: make meaningful, heartfelt music and that UM is accessible to 1079 00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:50,040 Speaker 1: people and everyone, and UM very like Tyler is very 1080 00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:54,120 Speaker 1: passionate and very intense and that's so inspiring, Like he's 1081 00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:56,680 Speaker 1: he knows what he wants and that's what he goes 1082 00:53:56,719 --> 00:53:58,640 Speaker 1: for and it's really cool. And then Josh is just 1083 00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:03,759 Speaker 1: like this sweetheart drummer and he's also really buff. So 1084 00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:05,400 Speaker 1: do you ever anybody wants to starting to crap with 1085 00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:07,640 Speaker 1: you because you're Judah from Juda and the line like hey, 1086 00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:10,680 Speaker 1: pretty boy, let's fight. I don't know if I've got 1087 00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:12,600 Speaker 1: that yet. No one's out like, hey, what's up with 1088 00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:14,520 Speaker 1: that long hair? Pretty boy? And all the tattoos think 1089 00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:18,000 Speaker 1: you're a singer shove. I mean all my old like 1090 00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:21,359 Speaker 1: jock friends, that's what they do, but never like one's 1091 00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:23,200 Speaker 1: trying to prove a point. They can beat up Judah. 1092 00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:25,960 Speaker 1: Not yet. I bet you can handle yourself. Huh. I 1093 00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:29,439 Speaker 1: don't know. I'm not really I'm not really a fight 1094 00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:31,360 Speaker 1: fighting person. Yeah, but you don't have to be a 1095 00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:34,799 Speaker 1: fighting person to actually I have such man, inv right now, 1096 00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:37,480 Speaker 1: you're everything that I had ever wanted to be in 1097 00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:40,680 Speaker 1: every way encouraged you should You should leave here just 1098 00:54:40,719 --> 00:54:43,960 Speaker 1: top of the freaking world. Man, that's interview man. Uh. 1099 00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:48,840 Speaker 1: The PEP Talks worldwide tour all July through October, everywhere 1100 00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:53,520 Speaker 1: from Kansas City to Lincoln, Nebraska, Birmingham, Raleigh, Nashville, you're 1101 00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:55,239 Speaker 1: you're you're moving up a level. I'm looking at the 1102 00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:58,439 Speaker 1: venues and I'll say this, by the way, you're playing 1103 00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:00,080 Speaker 1: to send in Nashville and a lot of places. Is 1104 00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:02,960 Speaker 1: that my show is her? Pittsburgh, Greenville, South Carolina, d 1105 00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:08,200 Speaker 1: C at the Anthem, Boston Grand Rapids, a couple of St. Louis, Tulsa. Um. 1106 00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:10,680 Speaker 1: That being said, let me say this, it's you're gonna 1107 00:55:10,719 --> 00:55:13,360 Speaker 1: play a sin ampitheater. Our tickets on sale? It or no. 1108 00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:16,839 Speaker 1: They've been on sulfur about a month. Now, do you 1109 00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:19,520 Speaker 1: get Because tomorrow I'm doing a whole stand up tore 1110 00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:20,759 Speaker 1: all through the fall as well, and I think it's 1111 00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:22,920 Speaker 1: going still tomorrow. And I'm like, dear God, please take 1112 00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:29,920 Speaker 1: account big time. Dude. I look and I'm just like, 1113 00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:32,799 Speaker 1: I just don't want. You're very, very vulnerable when you 1114 00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:35,200 Speaker 1: have to go do people like me? Will they buy 1115 00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:39,000 Speaker 1: just anything? I mean? And you you last time you 1116 00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:41,879 Speaker 1: played the Rheman and now you're gonna play a Sin, 1117 00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:44,600 Speaker 1: Well that's a little bigger. I played the Rieman. I've 1118 00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:46,040 Speaker 1: never played a sin. I don't think eno people would 1119 00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:47,239 Speaker 1: by tickets for me to play a sin. You never 1120 00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:48,680 Speaker 1: know until you try it. Well, but I'm not gonna 1121 00:55:48,680 --> 00:55:50,480 Speaker 1: try because I'm not ready to be out there. I'm 1122 00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:52,600 Speaker 1: not ready. Will not to buy tickets, That's what That's 1123 00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:54,200 Speaker 1: what I told our agent. I was like, what if 1124 00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:56,440 Speaker 1: we put this on this, you know, seven thousand cat 1125 00:55:56,480 --> 00:55:59,920 Speaker 1: Vinue and nobody come. That's always life or even fourth, 1126 00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:03,440 Speaker 1: only four thousand come. Because when you sell out d 1127 00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:06,399 Speaker 1: or whatever the rhyman is and it's full, you look great. 1128 00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:08,440 Speaker 1: But if you sell four thousand and the seven thousand, 1129 00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:10,680 Speaker 1: we'll get the big dope that thought you're a lot 1130 00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:14,399 Speaker 1: cooler than you actually work and it could happen, which 1131 00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:17,440 Speaker 1: is scary. I'm taking you back down. I want to 1132 00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:18,520 Speaker 1: do that. I want to take you back down. I 1133 00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:20,920 Speaker 1: want to take you back down. I like, I just 1134 00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:23,600 Speaker 1: wonder if that to you is a level like do 1135 00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:26,520 Speaker 1: we do we try to or who are you the 1136 00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:28,919 Speaker 1: one that goes let's let's do bigger. I think it's 1137 00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:32,080 Speaker 1: it's a pushing pull. Honestly, I think we have a 1138 00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:34,200 Speaker 1: we have a great team that kind of advises on 1139 00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:37,920 Speaker 1: what what swings we can take, and um, there are 1140 00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:39,560 Speaker 1: a lot of rooms like I mean Red Rocks is 1141 00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:42,799 Speaker 1: on there, there's um a lot of rooms that I 1142 00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:44,400 Speaker 1: was like, when when you say that schedule to me, 1143 00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:47,680 Speaker 1: I was like, dear God, it's not going to be 1144 00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:50,120 Speaker 1: good if people show up. You're playing a CEO music 1145 00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:53,040 Speaker 1: festival a cl for the first time. We're super pumped 1146 00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:54,840 Speaker 1: for that. Yeah. I still live in Austin part of 1147 00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:58,280 Speaker 1: the year. My favorite city. It's amazing, legit, it's the best. 1148 00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:02,040 Speaker 1: What's your taco spot? Awesome? I'm just not Mike, you 1149 00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:05,719 Speaker 1: can answer this. I'm just not a everybody loved tacos. 1150 00:57:05,719 --> 00:57:07,480 Speaker 1: So you know what I did. I didn't love tacos. 1151 00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:11,040 Speaker 1: That's sick. I like that so individual, Mike, I make 1152 00:57:11,080 --> 00:57:16,800 Speaker 1: my own. He's true Mexican. So, um, all the places 1153 00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:20,120 Speaker 1: that people tell you they're usually overrated because they just 1154 00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:22,640 Speaker 1: looked on the internet. That's true. I'm not I'm not 1155 00:57:22,680 --> 00:57:24,840 Speaker 1: a big Gueros guy. Did you ever go to Gueros? 1156 00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:28,360 Speaker 1: Never went well? So I'm curious with being kind of 1157 00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:34,440 Speaker 1: local awesome, Um, torchies good? Yeah, yeah, it's it's I 1158 00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:38,919 Speaker 1: that's like, because fine, it's actually good. It is good, 1159 00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:41,440 Speaker 1: but the whole Like, if you're gonna go for barbecue, 1160 00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:44,200 Speaker 1: people will go here, Like I like like an iron works. 1161 00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:48,240 Speaker 1: Really nobody goes to like old school. You have big 1162 00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:50,600 Speaker 1: barbecue place. I don't mean oh yeah, he's spaking. Mike 1163 00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:53,280 Speaker 1: as a hundred and twenty pounds. He was. He was 1164 00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:56,320 Speaker 1: a hardcore and then he went no more. You know 1165 00:57:56,320 --> 00:57:57,720 Speaker 1: what he would do, he would listen to take it off, 1166 00:57:57,760 --> 00:58:00,720 Speaker 1: and then he was running all of your music and 1167 00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:03,320 Speaker 1: it just drive even just runs. And so you're thank 1168 00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:07,120 Speaker 1: thank you, and you're welcome. Well listen, man, it's it's 1169 00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:09,720 Speaker 1: crazy to see crazy to hear your story. I had 1170 00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:11,240 Speaker 1: no idea, I had no idea something. And thanks for 1171 00:58:11,240 --> 00:58:13,480 Speaker 1: the free merch. Oh yeah, of course. One thing. I'll 1172 00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:14,680 Speaker 1: let me see with this ship. We didn't know what 1173 00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:18,320 Speaker 1: side you were extra large? Oh god, no, I'm barely 1174 00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:20,480 Speaker 1: a medium. Okay, I was like, I told him the 1175 00:58:20,520 --> 00:58:23,800 Speaker 1: medium here's but I don't know what sides they have. 1176 00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:25,960 Speaker 1: Jude in the line, it's a basketball. Go what I'm 1177 00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:28,600 Speaker 1: blind is that? What is that a basketball? It's a basketball. Um, 1178 00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:30,000 Speaker 1: I'm gonna put this love with take a picture. And 1179 00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:32,520 Speaker 1: I like wearing people's merch next to them. It's like, 1180 00:58:32,560 --> 00:58:34,080 Speaker 1: I know the guy who shared I'm wearing. It's a 1181 00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:37,200 Speaker 1: real pride point for me. So all right, So like, 1182 00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:38,800 Speaker 1: what's the deal I know you got the records out, 1183 00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:41,520 Speaker 1: PEP talks gonna go out and tour, like, like, what's 1184 00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:43,360 Speaker 1: happening in your mind? Now, what's the what's the next 1185 00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:46,320 Speaker 1: level up for you guys? Well, I mean right now, 1186 00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:48,960 Speaker 1: it's just we are so excited about playing these songs live, 1187 00:58:49,240 --> 00:58:52,240 Speaker 1: you know it. There's nothing like putting a record out 1188 00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:57,160 Speaker 1: and then seeing what the live show kind of births 1189 00:58:57,160 --> 00:59:00,280 Speaker 1: into and grows into and all of the words. And 1190 00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:02,919 Speaker 1: so we're playing some festivals this year that we're really 1191 00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:06,640 Speaker 1: really stoked about. Obviously the tour UM and you know, 1192 00:59:06,640 --> 00:59:09,320 Speaker 1: we're just we're hoping that we love this message in 1193 00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:11,480 Speaker 1: the record. We really feel like, um, this is the 1194 00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:22,000 Speaker 1: maybe the I hate to say, like maybe the best everybody, 1195 00:59:22,080 --> 00:59:24,800 Speaker 1: but it really is. It's like it's it's um, but 1196 00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:27,240 Speaker 1: it should I think. I think the way I would 1197 00:59:27,240 --> 00:59:29,080 Speaker 1: like to say it is that this record we really 1198 00:59:29,120 --> 00:59:32,680 Speaker 1: had something to say UM. And so I think within 1199 00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:37,280 Speaker 1: that it feels like, UM, there's some there's already some 1200 00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:40,200 Speaker 1: really cool stories that have come out from it, and 1201 00:59:41,080 --> 00:59:43,200 Speaker 1: we're really excited to play these shows live and just 1202 00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:45,919 Speaker 1: to kind of see where UM the world takes. It's 1203 00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:47,120 Speaker 1: been out for like a week and a half now, 1204 00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:51,720 Speaker 1: so it's like, um, everything is kind of happening. It's 1205 00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:54,280 Speaker 1: it's out in the world forever. Just once and the interview. 1206 00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:56,240 Speaker 1: I don't care where it is. It could be but keepsie, 1207 00:59:56,640 --> 00:59:58,920 Speaker 1: it could be sacramented. I hate this and I hate 1208 00:59:58,920 --> 01:00:00,400 Speaker 1: our new record. No, I don't say I hey, but 1209 01:00:00,680 --> 01:00:02,120 Speaker 1: just do that. You know we're really thinking about it. 1210 01:00:02,120 --> 01:00:03,760 Speaker 1: This is probably the least personal record we've ever done, 1211 01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:07,040 Speaker 1: because I think since this one was so personal, I 1212 01:00:07,080 --> 01:00:09,040 Speaker 1: think the next one is going to be like, yes, 1213 01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:10,800 Speaker 1: you can do like Weezer. Do you know what he 1214 01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:12,680 Speaker 1: you know what he about? Just do the covers? Well, 1215 01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:17,080 Speaker 1: so Rivers would write the song. I'm a huge Weezer 1216 01:00:17,080 --> 01:00:21,840 Speaker 1: guy Rivers And so you ever met him? We haven't met. Yeah, Um, 1217 01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:24,960 Speaker 1: kind of a peculiar feller. Yeah, he's very Have you 1218 01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:28,040 Speaker 1: have you listened to um? I don't want to get 1219 01:00:28,080 --> 01:00:30,760 Speaker 1: your beef up your competition, but you have you Have 1220 01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:34,200 Speaker 1: you listened to a song Exploder's podcast? Uh? First of all, 1221 01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:36,600 Speaker 1: I have no competition. It's everybody makes everybody better and 1222 01:00:36,600 --> 01:00:39,800 Speaker 1: no I haven't. No, I'm just what is it all? 1223 01:00:39,880 --> 01:00:41,960 Speaker 1: I don't know if you wanted to cut everybody else do. 1224 01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:48,200 Speaker 1: It's a podcast called song Exploilder, Song Splitter, song Exploder, 1225 01:00:48,280 --> 01:00:50,480 Speaker 1: song Exploder, got it, that's the cookbook coming out. I mean, 1226 01:00:50,600 --> 01:00:53,720 Speaker 1: um yeah, song Exploder. And essentially what they do is 1227 01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:58,480 Speaker 1: they take songwriters like Rivers and they break down um 1228 01:00:59,200 --> 01:01:01,440 Speaker 1: like just the way that they songwrite, the process like, 1229 01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:03,520 Speaker 1: and then they'll have like flashes at their demo of 1230 01:01:03,640 --> 01:01:06,560 Speaker 1: the song or whatever. Um. And they have a really 1231 01:01:06,600 --> 01:01:10,640 Speaker 1: cool one with with withs with Rivers specific and he 1232 01:01:10,760 --> 01:01:14,320 Speaker 1: is so inspiring the way that he writes, so like 1233 01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:19,080 Speaker 1: mechanical and so um it's so interesting. It's really really cool. 1234 01:01:19,240 --> 01:01:22,000 Speaker 1: I He's gonna be at American Idol on Sunday, which 1235 01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:24,880 Speaker 1: I'm on this season, umzing, and they're gonna play, and 1236 01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:27,240 Speaker 1: I'm pretty excited that I'm dying. I mean, that's why 1237 01:01:27,240 --> 01:01:28,640 Speaker 1: I looked like I looked too, because I was a 1238 01:01:28,680 --> 01:01:31,120 Speaker 1: nerd and I was like, well, if Rivers Cuomo can 1239 01:01:31,160 --> 01:01:33,360 Speaker 1: be cool, because he was. I was a tiny kid 1240 01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:35,720 Speaker 1: listening to the Blue record, the Blue Album, and I 1241 01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:38,880 Speaker 1: was like, oh, but you know they he didn't write 1242 01:01:38,920 --> 01:01:42,040 Speaker 1: a bunch of songs about anything personal, right, nothing personal person? 1243 01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:45,040 Speaker 1: And then you know they Pinkerton album. He's like, I'm 1244 01:01:45,080 --> 01:01:47,400 Speaker 1: gonna try to write some personal stuff, writes it, people 1245 01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:50,120 Speaker 1: hate it, and then he's like, screw this, I'm doing 1246 01:01:50,160 --> 01:01:53,080 Speaker 1: nothing personal ever again. And so now you know, and 1247 01:01:53,080 --> 01:01:55,400 Speaker 1: I've I've read interviews. I'll check out the podcast where 1248 01:01:55,440 --> 01:01:56,760 Speaker 1: he just talks about how it's just a lot of 1249 01:01:56,760 --> 01:01:59,560 Speaker 1: nonsensical stuff. It's like stream of consciousness. Yeah. Yeah, it's 1250 01:01:59,600 --> 01:02:02,760 Speaker 1: like right at a bed thirty minutes writes down. Um, 1251 01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:05,360 Speaker 1: it's it's very interesting. His process is really cool. I 1252 01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:07,640 Speaker 1: had a friend that wrote with them, and I won't 1253 01:02:07,640 --> 01:02:10,000 Speaker 1: say her name, um, but she she's like, okay, I 1254 01:02:10,080 --> 01:02:12,800 Speaker 1: did I recorded this song and I haven't, and she 1255 01:02:12,840 --> 01:02:15,440 Speaker 1: wanted Rivers to be on the record, and she's pretty 1256 01:02:15,440 --> 01:02:18,480 Speaker 1: big artist, and she was like okay. So I sent 1257 01:02:18,560 --> 01:02:21,120 Speaker 1: it to him and I said, hey, this is your part, 1258 01:02:22,040 --> 01:02:23,680 Speaker 1: and he sent it back. I was like, this is terrible. 1259 01:02:23,680 --> 01:02:25,760 Speaker 1: I'm gonna do my own thing. I'm gonna completely completely 1260 01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:29,160 Speaker 1: rewrote it, sent it back. I guess she goes. She goes. 1261 01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:32,040 Speaker 1: At first, I was a little bit insulted, she goes, 1262 01:02:32,080 --> 01:02:34,200 Speaker 1: But then I heard it and I was like, oh, 1263 01:02:34,240 --> 01:02:36,840 Speaker 1: it's way better than what I had written anyway, So yeah, 1264 01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:39,560 Speaker 1: that it was cool. Get on this mysterious lady that 1265 01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:43,320 Speaker 1: UM swallowed her pride and let rivers do this thing. 1266 01:02:43,440 --> 01:02:46,520 Speaker 1: It's cool. Yeah, and any other these other acts that 1267 01:02:46,560 --> 01:02:48,040 Speaker 1: you looked up to or thought were cold, but now 1268 01:02:48,120 --> 01:02:49,800 Speaker 1: you can reach out to you or you reach out 1269 01:02:49,800 --> 01:02:54,040 Speaker 1: to them. I got to meet UM. Well, my my 1270 01:02:54,120 --> 01:02:57,000 Speaker 1: hero band growing up with Switched Foot, and I've become 1271 01:02:57,040 --> 01:03:01,000 Speaker 1: like a UM. Like John Foreman is always been somebody 1272 01:03:01,000 --> 01:03:05,120 Speaker 1: that I just think someone that it's meant something, and 1273 01:03:05,160 --> 01:03:07,240 Speaker 1: I think that's always been like so inspiring for us, 1274 01:03:07,320 --> 01:03:09,000 Speaker 1: is like we we want our music to mean something 1275 01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:12,520 Speaker 1: more than just whatever. Umm. Also a band who have real, 1276 01:03:12,640 --> 01:03:15,760 Speaker 1: real Christian roots, and people will go, wait, are they 1277 01:03:15,800 --> 01:03:18,400 Speaker 1: a Christian band or not secular? And I don't, but 1278 01:03:19,400 --> 01:03:21,560 Speaker 1: they were, you know, a straight ahead pop rock band 1279 01:03:21,560 --> 01:03:24,040 Speaker 1: that which is very Christian, and I think you guys 1280 01:03:24,080 --> 01:03:26,080 Speaker 1: kind of get that as well, like wait, what's what's 1281 01:03:26,120 --> 01:03:28,200 Speaker 1: happening with these guys? Are they a Christian band or 1282 01:03:28,240 --> 01:03:30,280 Speaker 1: they a rock band that are Christians? Yeah, we can, 1283 01:03:30,480 --> 01:03:32,880 Speaker 1: and I think for for what we do, it's like 1284 01:03:32,920 --> 01:03:35,440 Speaker 1: we sometimes you put the Christian name on something that 1285 01:03:35,520 --> 01:03:38,880 Speaker 1: obviously means that is exclusive. And so you have X 1286 01:03:38,960 --> 01:03:40,560 Speaker 1: and Y that's at a festival and they hear that 1287 01:03:40,600 --> 01:03:42,520 Speaker 1: you're a Christian ban will they already brought you off 1288 01:03:42,560 --> 01:03:44,760 Speaker 1: because they think that you judge them or hate them 1289 01:03:44,880 --> 01:03:50,080 Speaker 1: for their experience in their own version of what somebody 1290 01:03:50,120 --> 01:03:53,919 Speaker 1: has represented Christianity to them has been, which is which 1291 01:03:53,960 --> 01:03:57,920 Speaker 1: is sad about Um? You know, it's just sad about it. 1292 01:03:57,920 --> 01:04:00,480 Speaker 1: You know, it's like, uh so you at that name 1293 01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:02,320 Speaker 1: on it, it becomes kind of exclusive. It's like, well 1294 01:04:02,360 --> 01:04:04,480 Speaker 1: this person, this is what this person thinks about me, 1295 01:04:04,560 --> 01:04:10,240 Speaker 1: whether whether it be like drinking or sexuality or whatever. 1296 01:04:10,520 --> 01:04:12,280 Speaker 1: And I feel like our message is always just been 1297 01:04:12,320 --> 01:04:15,000 Speaker 1: like we're all like in this together. I don't care 1298 01:04:15,040 --> 01:04:17,919 Speaker 1: like what you believe in, Like I don't care what 1299 01:04:18,880 --> 01:04:21,600 Speaker 1: even like you're doing this specific moment or whatever, Like 1300 01:04:21,640 --> 01:04:25,640 Speaker 1: it's all about us kind of just doing life together. Um. Yeah, 1301 01:04:25,680 --> 01:04:28,479 Speaker 1: so I've become friends with John, which has been really cool. 1302 01:04:29,040 --> 01:04:31,160 Speaker 1: Now from this part of the podcast, were stake like 1303 01:04:31,200 --> 01:04:33,080 Speaker 1: two more minutes, and if you have not seen a 1304 01:04:33,080 --> 01:04:34,680 Speaker 1: Game of Thrones, I encourage you to turn it off 1305 01:04:35,160 --> 01:04:39,040 Speaker 1: stop listening right now. I'm just giving you a spoiler 1306 01:04:39,120 --> 01:04:41,400 Speaker 1: free zone here. Who do you think we'll have the 1307 01:04:41,400 --> 01:04:43,280 Speaker 1: throne after next week, because it's all gonna be on 1308 01:04:43,320 --> 01:04:47,080 Speaker 1: file right here, it's going to be saved. I think 1309 01:04:47,120 --> 01:04:50,000 Speaker 1: based off of the prophecy over Aria with the eyes, 1310 01:04:50,640 --> 01:04:53,919 Speaker 1: I think Aria is going to kill the green eyes. 1311 01:04:53,960 --> 01:04:56,040 Speaker 1: She has green eyes, so you think she'll killed. Everybody 1312 01:04:56,040 --> 01:04:59,640 Speaker 1: thought it was gonna be searcy and then now it's like, no, um, 1313 01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:04,040 Speaker 1: would you like John Snow to be or is that 1314 01:05:04,160 --> 01:05:06,280 Speaker 1: just too good to be true? Is it too much 1315 01:05:06,280 --> 01:05:08,520 Speaker 1: in the all the fans like that it's pointing back 1316 01:05:08,520 --> 01:05:10,320 Speaker 1: to the starts, because you know the show starts. But 1317 01:05:10,440 --> 01:05:12,480 Speaker 1: I think it's I think Brand's probably the guy. If 1318 01:05:12,520 --> 01:05:15,360 Speaker 1: it's me, I think that's who's got the throne next week. 1319 01:05:15,800 --> 01:05:18,840 Speaker 1: But Brand has been so like funny, I think, like, 1320 01:05:18,920 --> 01:05:22,800 Speaker 1: what does Brand even do? That's exactly like it rolls around, 1321 01:05:23,680 --> 01:05:27,560 Speaker 1: it rolls his eyes, looks like like very judgmental at 1322 01:05:27,560 --> 01:05:30,640 Speaker 1: people and just kind of like like, what are you doing? 1323 01:05:31,640 --> 01:05:34,520 Speaker 1: I'm picking Brand to have the throne, all right, I'm 1324 01:05:34,600 --> 01:05:38,400 Speaker 1: picking I'm picking son Sons. I think they're gonna I 1325 01:05:38,400 --> 01:05:40,760 Speaker 1: think they're gonna let her solid choice. I think that 1326 01:05:41,080 --> 01:05:43,280 Speaker 1: she's going to be the one I would like to 1327 01:05:43,360 --> 01:05:45,400 Speaker 1: see are to have it. Everyone's favorite. Sorry, she's a 1328 01:05:45,400 --> 01:05:48,560 Speaker 1: scrapper and everybody feels like they're scrappers. Right, Yeah, that's true. 1329 01:05:49,400 --> 01:05:51,600 Speaker 1: Question for you, go ahead, Do you think because I 1330 01:05:51,680 --> 01:05:55,439 Speaker 1: know that technically, I think from the books, Danny can't 1331 01:05:55,440 --> 01:05:59,360 Speaker 1: get pregnant after the whole after or whatever, right with 1332 01:05:59,400 --> 01:06:01,840 Speaker 1: the which thing that happened or whatever, the horse and 1333 01:06:01,880 --> 01:06:05,040 Speaker 1: all that. Um, I still think she might be pregnant 1334 01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:11,440 Speaker 1: with John's baby. Um and the baby rule. Will it 1335 01:06:11,520 --> 01:06:14,320 Speaker 1: be like a Twilight You ever watched Twilight? Yes, good 1336 01:06:14,320 --> 01:06:17,000 Speaker 1: for you. I haven't. What a loser, you're such a loser. No, 1337 01:06:17,120 --> 01:06:19,840 Speaker 1: it is because because Jacob, I actually know Jacob was 1338 01:06:19,880 --> 01:06:21,440 Speaker 1: like actually wasn't in love with her. He's in love 1339 01:06:21,480 --> 01:06:24,400 Speaker 1: with the baby she had in her belly. That's some Yeah, 1340 01:06:24,520 --> 01:06:30,960 Speaker 1: can I say stuff? So you're going with Sansa, I'm 1341 01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:33,720 Speaker 1: going with Braun might dy? I said Braun too. Think 1342 01:06:33,760 --> 01:06:36,160 Speaker 1: if that doesn't pay off from like this whole time, 1343 01:06:36,360 --> 01:06:38,080 Speaker 1: I think it has to be something there From the 1344 01:06:38,120 --> 01:06:40,080 Speaker 1: first episode when the guy falls off the freaking tower, 1345 01:06:40,120 --> 01:06:42,600 Speaker 1: when he catches the you know them doing it, that's 1346 01:06:42,680 --> 01:06:47,200 Speaker 1: kind of redemptive. That is true. Yeah, listen, I'm glad. 1347 01:06:47,240 --> 01:06:50,160 Speaker 1: I'm glad you came by so much an hour here 1348 01:06:50,400 --> 01:06:53,640 Speaker 1: just chopping it up, talking about life and thrones and Gnerhea. 1349 01:06:53,680 --> 01:06:56,400 Speaker 1: We got it all in, We got it all in, 1350 01:06:57,040 --> 01:06:58,560 Speaker 1: But I got in a movie theater. You know. It 1351 01:06:58,640 --> 01:07:01,360 Speaker 1: wasn't any other way other than that. Um, So you're 1352 01:07:01,400 --> 01:07:03,680 Speaker 1: gonna be out on tour all the summer and fall. 1353 01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:06,320 Speaker 1: PEP Talks is out, and I'm going to spend some 1354 01:07:06,320 --> 01:07:07,439 Speaker 1: time with you. And what I'm about to do about 1355 01:07:07,440 --> 01:07:08,760 Speaker 1: to put on your court, I'm gonna put on the 1356 01:07:08,760 --> 01:07:10,760 Speaker 1: hoodie too, and they're gonna take a picture together and 1357 01:07:10,800 --> 01:07:12,080 Speaker 1: they are not gonna know the difference when you and 1358 01:07:12,080 --> 01:07:14,040 Speaker 1: I can already what's gonna happen. I'm want to post 1359 01:07:14,040 --> 01:07:15,040 Speaker 1: a picture and they could be like, what one did 1360 01:07:15,040 --> 01:07:17,400 Speaker 1: you do? Yeah, yeah, that's true. I'll take that. Yeah, 1361 01:07:17,720 --> 01:07:22,120 Speaker 1: it'd be good for you to go, wow, good. All right, 1362 01:07:22,120 --> 01:07:25,480 Speaker 1: We'll see you guys next time. By everybody,