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Speaker 1: AFC power rankings after the draft, after all the off

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Speaker 1: we get to NFL season. And gentlemen, as I said,

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Speaker 1: we're going to start at the bottom and work our

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Speaker 1: way up here. So I have to imagine, Derek, this

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Speaker 1: is like, this is like Christmas for you, Right, you

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Speaker 1: just get to pick apart all my opinions that I

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Speaker 2: Erics and I are going to toss haymakers and we'll

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Speaker 1: Yeah, ericson no beard to Combe. Just want to point

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Speaker 3: It is one. You know, there's something there.

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Speaker 3: YouTube comments are wrong. He can grow something I didn't

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Speaker 1: Well all right, let's start at the bottom of the

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Speaker 1: barrel here, and I'm going to start with number sixteen,

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Speaker 1: the Miami Dolphins.

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Speaker 3: The first one. Fuck, it's a great show today. I

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Speaker 1: Well look, I mean I'm gonna this is gonna be

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Speaker 1: So to me, this is still just a very big

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Speaker 1: I just don't think they're at it right now. And

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Speaker 3: I agree with everything you said.

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Speaker 4: No, Well, these are twenty twenty six power rankings, and

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Speaker 1: Right, moving onward and upward, but not too far up

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Speaker 3: Woefully wrong about that.

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Speaker 1: I do not think that after watching last year, his

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Speaker 4: So I just think that the Jets offense is going

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Speaker 4: Genoa Smith can still sling the ball. And I remember

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Speaker 4: Oh man, this guy's gonna be a star this year

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Speaker 4: Against the New England Patriots, the reigning AFC champs. The

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Speaker 4: I think that he can be a little bit better,

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Speaker 1: Team Vegas win totals five and a half, you think

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Speaker 4: I think that the roster is five and a half

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Speaker 4: I think Smith fits what he's looking for. He is

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Speaker 4: I mean, look, look the talent defense, Tomanto Sweat, Will McDonald,

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Speaker 4: Aaron Glenn is not a good coach, and he's the

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Speaker 1: All right, de bro, what do you think of my

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Speaker 3: In the AFC or No, I think they're in the

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Speaker 2: Don't have them as the second team. I like their

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Speaker 3: Saying that they'll they get lock it in, let's go.

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Speaker 2: So we're saying, like, oh, can the Jets go six

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Speaker 4: Like that's not like some like insane. I'm gonna get

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Speaker 4: that interception regression is coming. This is gonna get more

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Speaker 2: I like the overall like makeup of their offense, Like

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Speaker 2: they can win six games this year. So I mean,

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Speaker 2: I'm not like taping up for the Jets like I have.

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Speaker 2: I haven't at fourteen, but I don't have them as

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Speaker 1: That's fine, that's fine, all right, Well, you know we

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Speaker 1: all think their bottom dwellers regardless. I mean, the Jets

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Speaker 1: knock him out of the pick that they should make

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Speaker 4: That's why they got That's why they got three first rounders,

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Speaker 4: That's why they got the picks.

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Speaker 1: to number fourteen on my ranks here in the power rankings.

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Speaker 1: The Las Vegas Raiders still work in progress. They did

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Speaker 1: the Linder bound signing. They brought in what's going to

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Speaker 1: my guns that Fernana Mendoza will be there sooner than later.

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Speaker 1: I think he's got a legitimate shot to start Week

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Speaker 1: one because I think Mendoza is just so much better

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Speaker 1: I know, usually I'm on the money talks, I'm that guy,

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Speaker 1: but I'm just not that because our mendoz' at OTAs

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Speaker 4: Where are these interior defensive line additions? Non existent? They

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Speaker 1: All right, let's move on to number thirteen on the

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Speaker 1: They're good in the trenches, right, they are good defensive team,

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Speaker 1: And every now and then too, some out of conference

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Speaker 3: We all know that's cable of happening.

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Speaker 1: So I have the Browns here Andrew Erickson agree, disagree,

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Speaker 3: Where do you have them?

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Speaker 4: So I have them behind the Jets because I think

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Speaker 4: Should or for me, it's it makes so much sense.

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Speaker 4: Why not play him. Imagine if you're a franchise quarterback

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Speaker 4: It makes so much sense. But now we got to

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Speaker 4: I just I think that's really stupid. And that's why

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Speaker 4: again this year, it doesn't matter if they don't figure

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Speaker 4: He's a sack taking machine. And I would say defensively,

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Speaker 4: So yes, Miles Garrett is a one man wrecking machine.

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Speaker 4: He is Okay, Well, what if he isn't as good

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Speaker 4: didn't really address it that much in free agency in

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Speaker 3: All right, de bro go ahead, give us your Cleveland

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Speaker 2: I'm actually with you, Joey. I've got him at thirteen.

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Speaker 2: I've got him above the Jets and guys. I hate

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Speaker 3: He is horrible. He has got off, but he's one

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Speaker 2: I will celebrate the day when he retires and he

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Speaker 2: If Dors Sanders starts this year, he will actually have

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Speaker 1: It looks great quinch On Judkins looks in running back.

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Speaker 3: I mean, there's a lot to like here.

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Speaker 2: Potentially quickly, the Browns if they start Shador Sanders the

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Speaker 2: This is the team in the AFC that I think

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Speaker 2: if everything comes together. This offense has been overhauled, this

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Speaker 3: If I mean, if they can catch.

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Speaker 2: Lightning in a bottle, this is the team that I think,

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Speaker 2: I know that all sounds crazy.

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Speaker 3: But it doesn't sound insane. I don't.

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Speaker 1: It sounds crazy, but it's not insane because if there

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Speaker 1: You have Miles Garrett, Y Kavioc and maybe just a

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Speaker 1: you know, Stefanski's gone. Monkey comes in. Sometimes you respond

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Speaker 3: And Derek Brown. We're gonna be a higher coaching staff.

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Speaker 1: That's right, Because at number twelve, it's the Tennessee Titans,

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Speaker 3: I have him at twelve as well.

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Speaker 2: I mean Sala coached the best best play out of

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Speaker 2: him out of his entire Another year off the Achilles,

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Speaker 2: John Franklin Myers. They had a Cordell flat and basically

438
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Speaker 2: like half the Giants roster to this team, but not

439
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Speaker 2: bad parts of the Giants roster, like if their offensive

440
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Speaker 2: line could be league average and cam Ward can take

441
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Speaker 2: a step this year with better offensive play calling and

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Speaker 2: players around him. Again, another team like the Houston Texans

443
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Speaker 2: being in the South. I don't think that they could

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Speaker 2: win the South, but can they be the second best

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Speaker 2: team in the South? Can they hop the Jaguars and

446
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Speaker 2: the Colts. I absolutely could see it.

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Speaker 3: Happened, not impossible. I love it. I like kim Ward.

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Speaker 3: I think cam Ward is I have hope. I'm not

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Speaker 3: gonna say I like I have hope because a little

450
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Speaker 3: I think he is so serious Andrew.

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Speaker 1: I think he's a guy that really, you know, in

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Speaker 1: all the draft process stuff last year, you know, we

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Speaker 1: spend so much time watching these players, so much time

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Speaker 1: listening to these players, Like kim Ward really is like, hey,

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Speaker 1: you know, this is my job, this is I want

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Speaker 1: to be great at this. And that might help him.

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Speaker 1: I think excel past some of what might be some limitations. Right,

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Speaker 1: hard work, you know, sometimes covers up some of the

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Speaker 1: ineptitudes that you might have. What are your thoughts on

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Speaker 1: the Titans this year? How far up or down do

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Speaker 1: you have him from my ranks.

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Speaker 4: The way you guys talked about this team, it doesn't

463
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Speaker 4: sound like a bottom five AFC team to me, So

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Speaker 4: I'm kind of curious why you guys have a rinking.

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Speaker 4: I have them at ten in AFC because I agree

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Speaker 4: with all the positives.

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Speaker 3: I'm not going to push him up.

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Speaker 4: And to me, like the only glaring projection is the

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Speaker 4: offensive line. I think it's kind of middle of the road.

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Speaker 4: I think that they need to be better there. So

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Speaker 4: that's the one thing holding me back for me, like, oh,

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Speaker 4: this team is like ready to be the twenty twenty

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Speaker 4: five the Patriots, But I think that that's in the

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Speaker 4: range of outcomes. Right, you just have like a legitimate

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Speaker 4: head coach, right, that's all you need when you're going

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Speaker 4: from Callahan, who we talked about all off scenes. This

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Speaker 4: guy's so bad. This guy had the worst record against

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Speaker 4: the spread. That tells you everything you know about this

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Speaker 4: team and this coach that he can't win games even

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Speaker 4: when he's getting points, he doesn't cover the spread. And

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Speaker 4: what were the Titans horrible in the first half of

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Speaker 4: the year, predictably because callahanill was the coach. But you

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Speaker 4: look at cam Ward in the second half of the

484
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Speaker 4: year played pretty well.

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Speaker 3: Was that turnly ball touchdowns.

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Speaker 4: So I'm confident that with Brian Dable, We've seen him

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Speaker 4: take younger quarterbacks Josh Allen, Daniel Jones, create Jackson.

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Speaker 3: Jackson, draft Jackson Darty.

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Speaker 4: They had Carnell, they added Carnell Tate, give him a

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Speaker 4: wide receiver third, that added one to Robinson. He was

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Speaker 4: throwing to like rookie fourth round picks. Last year. Kelvin

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Speaker 4: Ridley missed basically the entire season with injury. So and

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Speaker 4: despite all of that, he showcased in the second half

494
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Speaker 4: of his rookie year. Hey, I'm still a baller. I

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Speaker 4: was the number one overall pick for a reason. This

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Speaker 4: reminds me a lot of the Trevor Lawrence urban Meyri

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Speaker 4: year where it's like, dude, just throw this out. This

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Speaker 4: is like straight up garbage that you can't use because

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Speaker 4: of the incompetence of the head coach for the Tennessee

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Speaker 4: Titians last year, whereas Robert Sala, Dude, this guy's gonna

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Speaker 4: squeeze everything out of this defense to get everything. And

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Speaker 4: they have upgraded person now that's why they got to

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Speaker 4: the They have eight new stars on defense. Because they're like,

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Speaker 4: we're getting rid of everybody. Roberts sala is bringing all

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Speaker 4: of his ex Jets players and we're gonna be good.

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Speaker 4: We got X Jets players, you got X Giants players,

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Speaker 4: so you know, a schmortgashboard former New York players, but

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Speaker 4: in Tennessee, in Nashville, I think they can thrive here.

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Speaker 4: So that's why I have the Tennessee Titans as a

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Speaker 3: I'm not gonna move them off for it now.

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Speaker 4: So you'd rather have the Steelers? Right? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: That's right. As I teased before the read.

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Speaker 1: I do believe that we will eventually, unfortunately get Aaron

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Speaker 3: Rodgers say, move down down with Aaron Rodgers.

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Speaker 1: Hold, I'm kind of I haven't been a holding pattern

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Speaker 1: because I think that we're down to there's only one

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Speaker 1: for and I think it's.

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Speaker 3: The Pittsburgh Steelers situation.

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Speaker 1: And I think it would be a good move for

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Speaker 1: the Saints to just take any draft pick they could

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Speaker 1: get in this rebuild that they're doing, because they're showing

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Speaker 1: you they know what to do with these picks.

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Speaker 3: And I like that about the Saints new regime here.

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Speaker 1: And I think that, you know, just looking at the

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Speaker 1: infrastructure that's there and McCarthy being a very professional head coach.

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Speaker 1: This is a guy who's been around the block many times.

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Speaker 1: I just don't see this team disintegrating I just don't now.

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Speaker 1: If Aaron Rodgers doesn't come back and they don't bring

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Speaker 1: in some other quarterback and we end up with Will

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Speaker 1: Howard or Aller or whatever's left here at the quarterback

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Speaker 1: position for them, I might start to move them down.

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Speaker 1: But right now, which I think Aaron Rodgers is in

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Speaker 1: a negotiation. That that's my opinion. The reason why we

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Speaker 1: haven't heard anything is because I think you know what

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Speaker 1: it's about. It's not about his peace of mind, it's

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Speaker 1: not about his legacy, it's about green. It's about the dollars.

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Speaker 1: And that's what he's trying to figure out. How much

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Speaker 1: is it worth for me to come back and play

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Speaker 1: one more time for you, Mike McCarthy, and I really

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Speaker 1: don't necessarily like you, but maybe I'll do it if

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Speaker 1: the money's right. Andrew Rickson, tell me where I'm telling lies.

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Speaker 4: You're not telling lies. I do think that Aaron Rodgers

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Speaker 4: isn't back because he doesn't want to do OTAs like that.

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Speaker 4: That's part of it. Too wants to do has to

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Speaker 4: it from I'm not sure it's like about the money.

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Speaker 4: Although Jacoby Brissett holding out because he's going to be

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Speaker 4: a starter and how much money he's supposed to be get.

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Speaker 4: I think he mighte have some influence on Rodgers as well.

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Speaker 4: But look, that's why they put the tender on him,

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Speaker 4: because like, all right, we got to start to like

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Speaker 4: get the ball roll in here as we're like starting

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Speaker 4: our off season activities, who's our quarterback going to be?

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Speaker 4: So I just aside from the quarterback thing and Mike

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Speaker 4: McCarthy to your point, I think can get this team

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Speaker 4: to win enough games, they'll probably end up winning seven,

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Speaker 4: eight nine games basically no matter what. However, what will

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Speaker 4: the loss of Mike Tomlin do to this defense? Mike

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Speaker 4: McCarthy is not like this like defensive guru, like he's

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Speaker 4: known for quarterback development. So that's why they're kind of

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Speaker 4: encouraged and why they're taking shots in some of these

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Speaker 4: younger players like a Will Howard, like a Drew Aler

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Speaker 4: who I either. I mean, those guys are starting games,

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Speaker 4: the series are gonna lose more games. I'm not confident

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Speaker 4: either of those guys delivering.

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Speaker 1: Patric Graham has been a d C before with the

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Speaker 1: Raiders five, so that's fair, but like.

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Speaker 3: He's never had a job as a DC before too.

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Speaker 4: But Mike Tomlin, what did against similar to Mike Vrabel

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Speaker 4: and why he was so good against the spread as

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Speaker 4: a coach, just he willed his way to win games

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Speaker 4: that they had no business winning ever, mostly on the

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Speaker 4: defensi side of the wall, because Mike Tomlin, since he

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Speaker 4: lost Ben Rothisberger, basically never had a quarterback, and partly

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Speaker 4: just because of that was there's a lot of.

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Speaker 1: People that think that Mike Tomlin inherited a great defense

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Speaker 1: and inherited a quarterback and basically he was living off

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Speaker 1: that as long as he could, and he lived off

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Speaker 1: of it way longer than anybody thought that he would.

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Speaker 1: There is that there is a group out there that

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Speaker 1: really does believe that. Now I happened to the foolish, Yes,

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Speaker 1: but to a certain extent, there's some truth to it.

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Speaker 1: Because he did it. It is so much harder in

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Speaker 1: this league to take over a team that doesn't have

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Speaker 1: a quarterback and that doesn't have infrastructure.

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Speaker 3: He was able to do that.

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Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy's job is tougher right now because he's taking

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Speaker 1: over a team that quarterback is question mark in the

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Speaker 1: infrastructure right now has not. It's nowhere near what it

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Speaker 1: was when Coward turned it over to to Uh, Mike

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Speaker 1: tom Win two decades ago, Debro.

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Speaker 3: I put more respect on tom On then I do do.

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Speaker 3: I'm just saying I said it.

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Speaker 1: I'm saying there's people out there, so I do want

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Speaker 1: anything to add on the Steelers either of you, Andrew, were.

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Speaker 4: You doing one last thing to say? Their offense second

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Speaker 4: healthiest offense last year?

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Speaker 3: And I love that?

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Speaker 4: What was the product?

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Speaker 3: Not good?

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Speaker 4: So if they're going to be dealing with more injuries.

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Speaker 1: They could be drinking that raw milk stuff they could

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Speaker 1: be doing.

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Speaker 4: You when you have like a forty five year old

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Speaker 4: quarterback as your answer, I think that the injuries is

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Speaker 4: definitely a real risk.

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Speaker 3: Is yeah? That is fair? Yeah, Deebro. Anything to add

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Speaker 3: on the Steelers of the Black and Gold.

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Speaker 2: I think they could turn into a total dumpster fire injuries.

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Speaker 3: And the team.

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Speaker 2: This is the team that could have semen shoes. This

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Speaker 2: is the team that could be near the ad the.

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Speaker 1: T at the end of that because I don't know

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Speaker 1: where you're going for a second, but uh, that's good

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Speaker 1: with your accent. There, go sit with the Tom One haters,

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Speaker 1: all right, let's go to the next one year because

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Speaker 1: this is going to be more fun.

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Speaker 3: I feel like this is going to be controversial.

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Speaker 1: At ten, I have the Jacksonville Jaguars. I think I

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Speaker 1: think last year was the dead coach bounce. You bring

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Speaker 1: in a new voice and a new thing and everyone's like, cool,

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Speaker 1: we're just going ahead. And Trevor Lawrence is playing good football,

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Speaker 1: and you know, defense is playing much better, and we've

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Speaker 1: had some guys.

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Speaker 3: Show up there. Travis h had a fantastic.

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Speaker 1: Season, but he's gone now and that worries me, and

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Speaker 1: the draft that they just came away with worries me.

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Speaker 1: And I feel like the division around them is also

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Speaker 1: it could have been a lot tighter too. We also

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Speaker 1: saw the Colts disintegrate when Daniel Jones got hurt too.

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Speaker 3: Everybody forgets the Colts were the one seed ten weeks.

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Speaker 1: Into the season last year, okay, and then they fell

653
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Speaker 1: apart health wise, and then everything else fell apart in

654
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 1: that division for them. So I think the Jaguars are

655
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:29,720
Speaker 1: a team that could regress this year. And you know,

656
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:32,920
Speaker 1: they spent a lot of draft capital on Travis Hunter

657
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 1: only to turn around and now it feels like he's

658
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 1: going to be basically a defensive back and like that's fine,

659
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 1: that's cool, But I don't think you should have moved

660
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 1: head of a nerve for defensive back necessarily two way player.

661
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:44,040
Speaker 1: I get it, but it just seems like they're still

662
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:46,280
Speaker 1: trying to figure themselves out in their identity. And I

663
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:48,040
Speaker 1: don't want to take away anything they had from last year.

664
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:50,480
Speaker 1: They won a lot of close games, they played good football.

665
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:52,120
Speaker 3: Good on the Jags.

666
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 1: I just feel like all of a sudden, the rest

667
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:55,880
Speaker 1: of the AFC might be a little bit tougher, especially

668
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 1: with some of the health coming back. Maybe for teams

669
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 1: like the Bengals and teams like the Ravens and things

670
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,199
Speaker 1: like that. I think there might be just less chairs

671
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:04,480
Speaker 1: when the music stops, Debro, what are your thoughts on the.

672
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 2: Jacks I could see the downside case for them because

673
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:10,439
Speaker 2: I think James Gladstone is quickly building a resume as

674
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:12,639
Speaker 2: one of the worst gams in all of football, Like

675
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:16,399
Speaker 2: I think I think eventually and all the Jaguars fans

676
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:19,040
Speaker 2: are like they were in the comments of every video

677
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:21,359
Speaker 2: we put out about the NFL Draft about like, oh.

678
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, thirteen dy four man, what you got to say

679
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:23,879
Speaker 3: about that?

680
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:24,280
Speaker 1: Uh?

681
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 2: I say the GM had nothing to do with that.

682
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 2: That's all the head coach that's all the offense coming together,

683
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:33,439
Speaker 2: and you're DC doing one hell of a job that

684
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:35,880
Speaker 2: has nothing to do. That is not a back gladstone

685
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 2: at all. So I think the further we get into

686
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 2: this GM having more like his hands on this roster

687
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 2: and the build of this team, I worry that, like

688
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 2: they could just plummet, But I don't think that's this year.

689
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 2: I have them at nine above one other team, which

690
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 2: I'm curious if we get to next. But do I

691
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:01,960
Speaker 2: see the downside case for Jacksonville Absolutely, Like if they

692
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 2: keep playing the middle and Travis Hunter is not truly

693
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 2: a needle mover on either side of the ball, and

694
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 2: we keep like trying to do this whole like he

695
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 2: plays offense, he plays defense, It's so freaking cool, except

696
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 2: he's not a difference maker on either side. Like that,

697
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 2: trade will continue to look worse and worse and worse.

698
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 2: And when they're blocking tight end is thrust into the

699
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 2: lineup when Britain Strange pulls his.

700
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 3: Calf in week two and everybody's like, see you look

701
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 3: at Nick Poacher Kurcher, He's awesome. Look at him.

702
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 2: He just blocks and he can't catch a lot of passes,

703
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 2: And Okay, well, it's a lot more on the rest

704
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 2: of the offense. I I just I don't have any

705
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 2: faith in the GM man like I I like Liam Cohen,

706
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 2: I like what he was.

707
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 3: Able to do in the offseason. Like the off season

708
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 3: I have him Annan Andrew. I've seen people have the

709
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 3: Jaguars all the way up at five in the AFC.

710
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 3: I seen it.

711
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 1: I saw it yesterday when I was just looking around

712
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 1: doing some other research.

713
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 3: I saw some people haven't have five. I think they're

714
00:29:56,120 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 3: high based off what a lot of good we a

715
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 3: lot like.

716
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 1: I'm not again, I mean just for the render Andrew

717
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 1: rickson your things the Jaguars and how high you might

718
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:13,240
Speaker 1: have them.

719
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 4: So I also have them at nine along with de

720
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 4: bro so a little bit higher than you are, Joe.

721
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 4: I think for me, if you have them ranked really

722
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:25,240
Speaker 4: high inside that top five, it's a matter of This

723
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 4: team has a lot of continuity, especially on the offensive

724
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 4: side of the football. So it's what we saw in

725
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 4: the second half from Trevor Lawrence. Remember Trevor Lawrence and

726
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 4: Fantasy football was basically the number two scoring quarterback besides

727
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:38,640
Speaker 4: only Josh Allen in the second half of the season,

728
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 4: when he really started to take those steps forward in

729
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:43,880
Speaker 4: Liam Cohen's offense. So I think that putting them inside

730
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:45,720
Speaker 4: the top five is a projection of Okay, well this

731
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:49,800
Speaker 4: is going to continue. The downside is well, they didn't

732
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 4: up the ante. They didn't try to add a ton

733
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:56,719
Speaker 4: of offensive playmakers for Trevor Lawrence. They're running back, but basically,

734
00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 4: and when I did the team needs piece two with

735
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 4: Jacks Mills, like this team is like basically just running

736
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 4: back what they did last year. Obviously, they drafted players,

737
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 4: and the draft I agree as with leaves a lot

738
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 4: to be design yep. I would say those are the

739
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 4: defensive things that they didn't address losing Devin Lloyd. I

740
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 4: thought they could have used another edge rusher as well,

741
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 4: because they weren't really that great in sacks despite having

742
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 4: Josh Allen, the uh, the Georgia what's his name? The

743
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 4: guy in the middle, the pass rusher, his name is

744
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 4: escaping me get Trevon Walker. So they have those two players,

745
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:30,479
Speaker 4: but still didn't generate a ton of sack production. So

746
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:33,959
Speaker 4: that's where I've settled with them at nine. I know

747
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 4: I disagree with you, Joe, we'll get into this. I'm

748
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 4: still taking them over the Colts because I just think

749
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 4: that it's good process, the bet against the quarterback coming

750
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 4: off of torn Achilles. Yeah, I like them over the

751
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 4: Indianapolis Colts as that AFC South team. But if you're

752
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,239
Speaker 4: taking shots going back to my Tennessee Titans, I think

753
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 4: they're the best bang for your bucket. You look at

754
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 4: some of the conference winner odds again, Jacksonville right now

755
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 4: is fifteen to one to win the AFC. The Titans

756
00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 4: are sixty six to one.

757
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 1: I can't wait to hear you say tomorrow about the

758
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 1: guy's coming back from Achilles when we talk about the

759
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 1: forty nine ers on the next show. So stay tuned

760
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 1: for that, everybody. So I can't wait to hear Andrew's

761
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 1: thoughts on that one. I can't wait to impact wise.

762
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 1: All right, number nine on our list here or I

763
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 1: say my list. It's my list that I'm sharing.

764
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 3: This all your list?

765
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, Cincinnati Bengals at nine, you still got Joe Burrow?

766
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 3: Wow? Range of outcomes? Well wow? Okay, okay, wow. Yeah,

767
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 3: let's talk about it.

768
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 1: Because they moved their number one pick for Lawrence, which

769
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 1: I get.

770
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 3: I understand, Steve.

771
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 4: It's a player on their team already.

772
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:35,719
Speaker 2: Hold on, let him it is. Let him make his

773
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:37,480
Speaker 2: case before we tear it down. Let him at least

774
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 2: try to build the house before the Wolves.

775
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 4: Share it down.

776
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 1: Go ahead, And every time I put a brick on you,

777
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 1: guys just keep flicking. It's okay, It's okay, Joey. This

778
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 1: is saying all these LIGs I want to play.

779
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 3: Save space. Go ahead, Joey.

780
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 1: Eric feels like it is, but I'm going to keep

781
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 1: going anyway. Joe Burroway somehow always finds bad luck. I

782
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:56,719
Speaker 1: don't know what it is, and I can't quantify this

783
00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 1: with stats, but it's the same thing every year. As

784
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 1: I go in with hope for the Cincinnati Bengals, the

785
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 1: defense lets me down. Joe Burrow's health lets me down,

786
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 1: the offensive line lets me down. I do believe there's

787
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 1: room for the Bengals to move way up here, but

788
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 1: I think it's a little foolish when you still look

789
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 1: at that secondary to think that, yes, Dexter Lawrence makes

790
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 1: a big difference, and yes, I understand he wasn't the

791
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 1: only addition there too. Jonathan Allen was brought into cash

792
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 1: is how I get it. I just still think the

793
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 1: secondary isn't great, and I still look at the rest

794
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 1: of that division as challenging to them. Potentially again, not great,

795
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 1: but challenging. The Cleveland Browns beat the Bengals twice, it

796
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 1: wouldn't shock me.

797
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 3: You know.

798
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 1: That's just the way the Bengals seem to play football.

799
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 1: So I'm just gonna put this out there right now.

800
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 1: I do believe that there's upside. I love Joe Burrow

801
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 1: more than most people. I'm on the council of Joe's

802
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 1: I'm one of the top three. But I'm telling you

803
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 1: right now, every year the Bengals find a way to disappoint,

804
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 1: and I'm tired of buying into it. And you look

805
00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 1: at the Vegas win total. It's not necessarily telling you

806
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 1: that much of a different story.

807
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:02,480
Speaker 3: It's nine and a half.

808
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:04,240
Speaker 1: It's not like they're saying they're a ten and a

809
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 1: half win team or anything like that. And the Steelers

810
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 1: aren eight and a half win team according to Vegas.

811
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 1: So they're basically saying there one game better than Pittsburgh.

812
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 1: And I kind of agree that's kind of where they

813
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,439
Speaker 1: are right now. Go ahead, tell me why I'm wrong.

814
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:17,759
Speaker 3: Go again. I'll let you guys race to the finish line.

815
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 1: Go ahead, wants Eric kick us off, so erics for me,

816
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 1: I'll just go ahead and toss the first Haymaker.

817
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:27,400
Speaker 3: I have the Bengals at three.

818
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:34,920
Speaker 2: I have the why Okay, their offense is locked and

819
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:38,240
Speaker 2: ready to go. Their offensive line was league average, played

820
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:40,400
Speaker 2: really good down the back half of the season. Chase

821
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 2: Chase Brown was on fire. He's in a contract season,

822
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 2: so poised to make some good money if he can

823
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:48,440
Speaker 2: have another really good strong season. Joe Burrow, if we

824
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:52,440
Speaker 2: if we keep him healthy and upright, they're Super Bowl contender,

825
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 2: like straight up if they get league average play from

826
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 2: the defense, because you have Joe Burrow and Joe I

827
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 2: get it, like you're tired of get hurt.

828
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 3: But this is one of those times where it's like.

829
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:05,359
Speaker 2: They added so much to the defensive side of the ball,

830
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,920
Speaker 2: we can get league average play here boy, Mafe Dexter,

831
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:12,840
Speaker 2: Lawrence Jonathan Allen, three fourths of their starting defensive line

832
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:16,719
Speaker 2: is going to be different and massively massively improved. So

833
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 2: pass rush can cover up a lot of the other

834
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 2: sins in this defense. Am I gonna tell you that

835
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:24,279
Speaker 2: I like the linebacker corps. No, but they're young, so

836
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:29,400
Speaker 2: they can get better. The second second, j Turner was

837
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 2: one of the best man coverage corner.

838
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:34,279
Speaker 4: Last year.

839
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 3: Dude, d J.

840
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 2: Turner was a shutdown man coverage corner. I could go

841
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:41,720
Speaker 2: through the litany of guys he's shut down in man coverage,

842
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 2: and he also is ready to get paid. So I'm

843
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 2: higher on this defense than you are, Like I got

844
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:49,359
Speaker 2: them at three man there. I think they're gonna have

845
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 2: if health complies, this defense is going to be much much,

846
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:58,319
Speaker 2: much improved, and the offense can definitely hold its own.

847
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:00,879
Speaker 3: The Bengals are a Super Bowl contender this year.

848
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:02,279
Speaker 4: Also, I'd like to have a.

849
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:03,880
Speaker 1: Lot of I'm sorry, I just want to say I

850
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 1: heard a lot of ifs and butts, and if it's

851
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:08,400
Speaker 1: in and butts were candies and nuts, we'd all have

852
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 1: a merry Christmas.

853
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 4: But you got the Colts that ranked ahead of them.

854
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 3: The quarterback.

855
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly, you right, the broken quarterback that here

856
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 2: was a quarterback.

857
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:22,279
Speaker 1: But all the way in Week twelve, okay, that's a law.

858
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:22,920
Speaker 1: That's a longer.

859
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:24,360
Speaker 4: Borrow came back from his injury.

860
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:27,759
Speaker 1: Yes, Joe Burrow came back, but he didn't have to

861
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:29,960
Speaker 1: go ahead, tell me why the Bengals are going to

862
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:30,799
Speaker 1: be so great this year.

863
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:32,839
Speaker 3: I want some I.

864
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:35,920
Speaker 4: So I have not I'm as high as Debro, but

865
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 4: I think I needed I have them at seven. Okay,

866
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:41,719
Speaker 4: so I agree the defense can be better than getting

867
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 4: extra Lawrence that's already their best defensive player. I think

868
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 4: DJ Turner was underrated as quarterback last year. Brian Cook

869
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:50,920
Speaker 4: safety coming in and something to point out Al Golden,

870
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 4: his defensive coordinator last year. In the second half of

871
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:55,400
Speaker 4: the season, the Bengals deeves started to play better, like

872
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 4: because they had so much youth, because they had so

873
00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:59,320
Speaker 4: many young players getting so many reps. Yeah, the linebackers

874
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 4: got rated in coverage, but now they have more practice,

875
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:06,799
Speaker 4: they are more repetition. So entering year two, clearly the

876
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:09,279
Speaker 4: Bengals are showing Okay, we didn't really address linebacker. We're

877
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:10,839
Speaker 4: going to roll back the guys we had last year.

878
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:12,279
Speaker 4: We're going to throw themto the fire and see how

879
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:13,719
Speaker 4: things kind of shake out. So if they can get

880
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:17,479
Speaker 4: improved linebacker play fewer mistackles. And the other thing to

881
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:20,279
Speaker 4: talk about the AFC North, who's the one head coach

882
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 4: that's coming back is that Taylor. Whether that's a good

883
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:25,360
Speaker 4: thing or bad thing, I don't know, but it's continuity

884
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:28,360
Speaker 4: between him and the quarterback and be healthy. They are

885
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 4: a Super Bowl contender. Like Bros said, So, all right,

886
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:34,440
Speaker 4: I think too low on the Bengal. On the Bengals

887
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 4: upside case.

888
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:36,879
Speaker 3: I want to say this. I want to be wrong

889
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:40,319
Speaker 3: about they have them behind the Colts. Joe, Well, I can't.

890
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 1: Let's talk about the next all right, Hold on, Lord,

891
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 1: hold the phone, hold the phone, I hold the defensive

892
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 1: line holding it. Jonathan Taylor, Jonathan Taylor dominates games. That's fine,

893
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 1: you laugh all you want. Tyler Warren is a game

894
00:37:57,719 --> 00:37:59,760
Speaker 1: wrecking kind of tight end. He's got huge talent.

895
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 3: You don't have a quarterback. You know what.

896
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:06,279
Speaker 1: It's funny because all I heard about how Daniel Jones' crab,

897
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:08,720
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones's crap. And look, I'm not saying he's great,

898
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna go back to it. Daniel Jones was

899
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 1: healthy with Shane Steiken. They were the number one seed

900
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 1: in the AFC.

901
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 3: And couldn't behurt. The Bengals couldn't beat the fn Jets

902
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:23,399
Speaker 3: last year. They got hurt. The wheels were falling off, Joe.

903
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:25,240
Speaker 3: That's every NFL team.

904
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:27,800
Speaker 1: The wheels fell off of the Ravens when Lamar Jackson

905
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:30,399
Speaker 1: gets hurt. When Joe Burrow gets hurt, the wheels fall

906
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:33,320
Speaker 1: off of the Bengals when every team loses their quarterback.

907
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 3: If your argument is, no, he was starting to play back.

908
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 3: If you got an argument was he wasn't playing bad.

909
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 1: He was just playing as good as it was the

910
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:43,400
Speaker 1: most six weeks of the season. I'm telling you right

911
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 1: now this notion that like every NFL team, when they

912
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 1: lose their quarterback, go south. I like Shane Stikeen as

913
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:51,440
Speaker 1: a head coach. I like the offensive line. I like

914
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:52,360
Speaker 1: Jonathan Taylor.

915
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 3: I wish it a.

916
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:55,880
Speaker 1: Little bit more in the wide receiver corps, but because

917
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 1: they have the big tight end, I can live with it.

918
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:00,839
Speaker 1: And I just feel like the Colts are a team

919
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 1: that I do think this is very close.

920
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 3: I split hairs between them and the Bengals.

921
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 1: Okay, but at the end of the day, I think

922
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:10,239
Speaker 1: that the Bengals didn't show me as much as the

923
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:12,719
Speaker 1: Colts showed me last year. If things are healthy, I

924
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 1: could see the Bengals being all the way up at

925
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 1: three where you have them. I just want to see

926
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 1: what candy Land you live in, because I'd like to

927
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 1: be there, and I like to draw two cards, and

928
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:23,919
Speaker 1: I like to prance around in this beautiful, wonderful place

929
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:26,320
Speaker 1: where everybody in the Bengals is always healthy and everything

930
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:28,719
Speaker 1: works out their way. So just about why I'm wrong

931
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:29,400
Speaker 1: about the Colts.

932
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 4: And you, So you'll take So let's presume that we

933
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 4: get seventeen games Daniel Jones, seventeen games Joe Burrow. They're

934
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 4: both healthy. So you're taking Daniel Jones.

935
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 3: I'm taking Joe Coltz collectively.

936
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:44,759
Speaker 4: Which I mean of Bengals at we bet this, can

937
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:45,239
Speaker 4: we bet this?

938
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 2: And both these quarterbacks are on the field, the Bengals

939
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:49,720
Speaker 2: will win more games than the Colts.

940
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 3: So you think that, you think.

941
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:54,400
Speaker 1: An offensive line in Cincinnati's Bengal any offensive line with

942
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 1: Quintin Nelson on it.

943
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 2: I think Joe Burrow covers up the sins of the

944
00:39:57,719 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 2: offensive line.

945
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:02,800
Speaker 3: I don't. I think lat is a nice player.

946
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 1: I think the Sauce Gardener, it's Sauce Gardner's motivated, you know,

947
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:06,799
Speaker 1: to get back to where he.

948
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 3: First tramp picks. You better hope he is. Well, I'm

949
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:09,880
Speaker 3: just saying, man like.

950
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:14,319
Speaker 1: I think I think the culture selling short a little bit,

951
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 1: and I like Shane's And it's funny because I remember

952
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 1: a time where you used to like Shane Stikeen, and

953
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 1: I feel like we use we used to agree on.

954
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:20,319
Speaker 3: This and now all of a sudden, you don't like

955
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 3: it anymore. I do like Shane.

956
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 1: I don't like jas Gardner, Minshew bro you got Minshew

957
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 1: and he can't get there.

958
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:31,360
Speaker 4: Bengals games last year with Joe Flaka.

959
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:38,239
Speaker 3: Not against the Jets game did the Bengals did? I

960
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:40,279
Speaker 3: didn't like Shane Styke? You no, I don't.

961
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 2: I like Shane Styke, and I don't like Daniel Jones

962
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 2: and we're not gonna get a healthy version of Daniel Jones.

963
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:50,239
Speaker 1: Well, keep talking to me about the cult here, go ahead, Erickson.

964
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 4: I'm just concerned about what Danigels looks like coming back

965
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:55,719
Speaker 4: from a Chilly's injury. Yeah, he's younger, but where's his

966
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:58,279
Speaker 4: mobility at We've seen quarterbacks come back from Achilles and

967
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:00,400
Speaker 4: not look great. Yes, those guys have been my older

968
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 4: but that's just my concern for me that the Colts

969
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:05,400
Speaker 4: are so invested in Daniel Jones being exactly what it

970
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:06,800
Speaker 4: was last year. They paid him like he's going to

971
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:08,279
Speaker 4: be the exact guy that he was last year when

972
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 4: their offense, to your point, was cooking. But this offense

973
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:13,800
Speaker 4: was on the pace of the two thousand and seven Patriots, right,

974
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 4: So that was going to naturally regress anyway, because you

975
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 4: just can't keep up that kind of consistency from an

976
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:21,839
Speaker 4: offensive production standpoint, and then you're layering a guy coming

977
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:23,799
Speaker 4: back from an injury. So to me, it's like the

978
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:25,960
Speaker 4: perfect storm of well, this team's not gonna be as

979
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 4: good offensively and the defense I don't know, like I

980
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 4: don't think that it's this movell needing uh move needle

981
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 4: moving unit where it's going to really dominate games. Are

982
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:40,279
Speaker 4: the Colts gonna win game because their defense? Like I

983
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:42,360
Speaker 4: mean maybe because.

984
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 3: Their defense last year?

985
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:45,880
Speaker 1: Necessarily the Colts stayed close, and the Colts played good football,

986
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 1: and the Colts are well coached, and they executed and

987
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 1: they and they were able to manage a lot of victories. Now,

988
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 1: look like every team that has a winning record, sometimes

989
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 1: things bounce your way. We saw what the Chiefs a

990
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 1: couple of years ago, where literally every bounce went that

991
00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 1: way in every close game.

992
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 4: One question for you, Joe, before we get off the

993
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 4: Bengals Bengals Colts thing. Let's say Bengals, So Week one

994
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 4: Bengals Colts. Is the matchup? Who's favored? Where is it

995
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:11,840
Speaker 4: neutral field? Let's just say for the sake of argument,

996
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 4: it's the neutral field. Who's the favorite team?

997
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:15,399
Speaker 1: I think the Bengals will be favorite, But I will

998
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 1: tell you why because they have the bigger name quarterback

999
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:18,400
Speaker 1: and he is.

1000
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 4: The better They have the better quarterback.

1001
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:22,360
Speaker 3: I don't think they've got the better coach. Football.

1002
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 1: Look, you can have a lot of great talent if

1003
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 1: you don't have the coach, too, is a lost cost.

1004
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 1: Just tell the Bills fans all those years of Marv

1005
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 1: Levy losing to the Super Bowl. Okay, what it's like

1006
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 1: to have a great team, a team that has Hall

1007
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 1: of famers and stars everywhere?

1008
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:37,880
Speaker 3: And then what happens?

1009
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:40,319
Speaker 1: They run up against a lesser Giants team coached by

1010
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:43,759
Speaker 1: Bill Parcels, and then a lesser Redskins team coached by

1011
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:47,320
Speaker 1: mister Gibbs, and then they have another Well, then the

1012
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 1: next time they get their doors blown off by Jimmy Johnson.

1013
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:52,399
Speaker 3: Also played with coach with some much better talent than them,

1014
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:55,399
Speaker 3: or equal talent. Those Bills teams were literal talent. That's

1015
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 3: how I learned the hard lesson as a child that

1016
00:42:57,280 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 3: you know what football is about. Coaching even more than

1017
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 3: his talent. If you can coach.

1018
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:03,920
Speaker 1: I mean, look at the Indiana run in college football

1019
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 1: this year. How many five star recruits were there?

1020
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 3: They went undefeated? Why coaching, coaching matters a lot of

1021
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:16,239
Speaker 3: praise here, I'm getting him, giving him a lot.

1022
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 1: I'm giving him one rank more than the guy in Cincinnati.

1023
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:24,920
Speaker 1: Let's move on, because we got hold on. Let's talk

1024
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 1: about last year for the Colts. Since you're so high

1025
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 1: on Daniel Jones. Already got hurt.

1026
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:31,320
Speaker 3: How about Daniel Jones?

1027
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 2: At eight you were talking about the Colts were just

1028
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 2: blowing teams doors off with Daniel Jones's healthy.

1029
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 3: So I.

1030
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:40,439
Speaker 1: Said they were the number one seed in Week ten

1031
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 1: in the AFC, and that, my friend, is just a fact.

1032
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:45,920
Speaker 2: And the four games that Daniel Jones was still in

1033
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:48,800
Speaker 2: the field and healthy before he got lost to injury,

1034
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:52,719
Speaker 2: they lost three of those four games. Daniel Jones had

1035
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 2: three forty two through three picks versus the Steelers. Okay,

1036
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 2: finally had a good game versus the Falcons. Everybody did.

1037
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 2: Versus the Chiefs, he only threw for one hundred and

1038
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:04,240
Speaker 2: eighty one yards versus the the Houston Texans seven point

1039
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 2: four yards per attempt. They lost three of those four games.

1040
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:09,880
Speaker 2: Their defense is not a needle mover. They have a

1041
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:13,440
Speaker 2: quarterback that's got one good leg. He needs his mobility.

1042
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 2: He cannot go past his first read. And dear Lord,

1043
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 2: if Daniel Jones misses any damn time, we're talking about

1044
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 2: Anthony Richardson, probably not on this roster, but if he

1045
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:25,759
Speaker 2: is Riley Leonard or Seth Henigan making starts for this

1046
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 2: damn team.

1047
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 1: Joe, like I said, your argument is if Daniel Jones

1048
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 1: gets hurt and everything that you.

1049
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:39,400
Speaker 4: Hurt healthy, my argument stands because he's not fully healthy.

1050
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 1: Dude, he got hurt in week twelve, and technically he's

1051
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:44,439
Speaker 1: still hurt because he's not one hundred percent.

1052
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 3: I understand that. But like we're still in freaking May.

1053
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 1: That's right, this will be funny, Okay, that would.

1054
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:55,880
Speaker 4: Make calls the play week one. This hasn't happened.

1055
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:57,799
Speaker 3: All right, Let's go to number seven on the list

1056
00:44:57,800 --> 00:44:59,360
Speaker 3: because I can't keep defending the place.

1057
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 1: How would I spend this much of my life defending

1058
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 1: the Colts in a middle tier around I don't know.

1059
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 3: What kind of so insulted that you put them in

1060
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 3: the middle of the pack. I want to I want

1061
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:15,279
Speaker 3: to slap your face with a glove and challenge you

1062
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 3: haven't been Imagine if I had him higher than eight.

1063
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:24,719
Speaker 3: They're literally in the middle of the pack. All right,

1064
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:30,319
Speaker 3: let's move on number seven, Kansas City Chiefs. I don't

1065
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 3: love this, but it's it's kind of like a placeholder.

1066
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 3: They're in the middle of the pack. Kansaity Chiefs.

1067
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:37,719
Speaker 1: We all know it's a great team and a weird

1068
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 1: retooling transition. There's a lot of new stuff going on there,

1069
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 1: starting to shed some of the dead weight of the

1070
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 1: older guys. You still have any read Eventually you get

1071
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:48,280
Speaker 1: Mahomes back. I don't know what the ghost of Travis

1072
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:51,319
Speaker 1: Kelsey has got left in him, but we'll see. Here's

1073
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:54,200
Speaker 1: the thing, I just think the Rushi Rice situation too,

1074
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 1: like I'm just waiting for the next bad thing to happen.

1075
00:45:57,200 --> 00:45:59,279
Speaker 1: When that, you know, like what, we've still got a

1076
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 1: couple of months before the season starts, and what other

1077
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:04,320
Speaker 1: kind of stupid craft you can get himself into. I

1078
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:05,879
Speaker 1: don't know if you guys have them higher or lower,

1079
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 1: but I can't move them past the middle of the

1080
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 1: pack because of Mahomes and Reids, So they're at seven

1081
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:10,319
Speaker 1: for me.

1082
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:12,319
Speaker 3: Do you guys agree or disagree? I got them in eight,

1083
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 3: so I mean we're we're right in the middle of

1084
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 3: the pack to just a fields.

1085
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Speaker 4: I am, so I have them so the same, right,

1086
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:23,279
Speaker 4: So I have them six. But I could honestly see

1087
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:26,720
Speaker 4: myself after our conversation about the Bengals about well, Mahomes

1088
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:30,400
Speaker 4: is also injured, so he's coming off a torn acl injury.

1089
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:32,040
Speaker 4: So I think that's kind of where you're going to

1090
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 4: see hit the Chiefs kind of ranging, I would say too. Defensively.

1091
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 4: They added a bunch of pieces in the draft, Delaine,

1092
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:41,719
Speaker 4: Peter Woods or Mason Thomas, so I thought they fit

1093
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:45,479
Speaker 4: some of their defensively. However, one thing to point about

1094
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:49,880
Speaker 4: their defense last year was Healthy's defense in the NFL

1095
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 4: last year, So if that regresses, maybe their defense isn't

1096
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 4: as good again. A lot of new pieces. We like

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00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:58,239
Speaker 4: mansword Delane, but is he gonna be Trent McDuffie in

1098
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:01,920
Speaker 4: your one? Probably not. It's a long term investment in

1099
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 4: a player versus the actual ready to go. I mean,

1100
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 4: the Rams traded for a known commodity in Trent McDuffie

1101
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:09,200
Speaker 4: because they're trying to win the Super Bowl in twenty

1102
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 4: twenty six, the Chiefs still have long term aspirations and

1103
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:15,359
Speaker 4: a realizing knowledge, well, maybe this isn't Mahomes' best year

1104
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:18,279
Speaker 4: coming off a cash traffic knee and drew, which I

1105
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:19,320
Speaker 4: think a lot of sense.

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Speaker 1: The only argument I think you can make on the

1107
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 1: other side for which is again I think a very

1108
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:25,840
Speaker 1: dangerous one, is Patrick Mahomes is the underdog as a

1109
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 1: very dangerous thing. You and I know that because we've

1110
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 1: met him as the underdog many times, right and in

1111
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 1: this stage in this year, he's kind of like the oh, well,

1112
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 1: you're cute. You know, you had your run, Now go away.

1113
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:38,920
Speaker 1: And I think that puts Patrick Mahomes in a very

1114
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:40,239
Speaker 1: dangerous thing because people are.

1115
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:42,280
Speaker 3: Dismissing him and he is an animal.

1116
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 1: And I think that is something you gotta just take

1117
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:48,040
Speaker 1: into account and build into your understanding of Patrick Mahomes

1118
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:50,600
Speaker 1: that whenever you tell me can't do something or he's

1119
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:52,040
Speaker 1: not gonna be able to do it's like that Brady thing,

1120
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:54,880
Speaker 1: like they're becoming super dangerous. It's like a wounded animal,

1121
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 1: Do not poke the bear. And I do see that

1122
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:00,839
Speaker 1: as a narrative for him as a motivated for him,

1123
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:03,359
Speaker 1: which still keeps them dangerous enough that I had them

1124
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:05,920
Speaker 1: at seven in my rankings. All right, that is the

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00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:08,359
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Speaker 1: I guarantee you no matter what happens in these next

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Speaker 3: Number six The Baltimore Ravens.

1160
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:34,080
Speaker 1: Why Lamar Jackson is still an MVP contender And when

1161
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:36,440
Speaker 1: you have an MVP caliber quarterback, especially coming off a

1162
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:39,279
Speaker 1: down year, you have a chance. Derek Henry still had

1163
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:42,440
Speaker 1: fifteen hundred rushing yards. Look the Ravens last year, I

1164
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:44,160
Speaker 1: take a huge li they were my pick to win

1165
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:46,000
Speaker 1: the AFC. I think a lot of people looked at it.

1166
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:48,640
Speaker 1: It's like they've got so much continuity. They've got quarterback,

1167
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:51,239
Speaker 1: they've got head coach. Everything that could go wrong for

1168
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:53,719
Speaker 1: the Ravens went wrong last year, and I just think

1169
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 1: law of average is telling.

1170
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:56,560
Speaker 3: You there's a change coming.

1171
00:49:57,040 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 1: Also, sometimes when you have that same voice over an

1172
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:02,880
Speaker 1: over again, sometimes just a fresh start for everybody kind

1173
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:05,279
Speaker 1: of refocuses a group, especially a veteran group like this.

1174
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 1: So it's definitely a downgrade from Harbaugh. But at the

1175
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:11,560
Speaker 1: same time, I think there's always some times you get

1176
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:13,080
Speaker 1: a little bit of a bounce from just a new

1177
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:15,360
Speaker 1: voice and maybe the players taking a little bit more

1178
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:19,480
Speaker 1: accountability of their own selves and performance. I don't know

1179
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:20,759
Speaker 1: where you guys have the Ravens, but I have them

1180
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:22,880
Speaker 1: at six ericson what do you think about that?

1181
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 4: So you're actually lower than consensus on the Rams. So

1182
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:29,960
Speaker 4: you look at the conference winner odds, they're tied for

1183
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:32,600
Speaker 4: the lowest at five to one. So although you have

1184
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:34,359
Speaker 4: them at six and you kind of talked about this

1185
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 4: is a you know, still assault spot for them. New

1186
00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:39,080
Speaker 4: head coach coming in, especially on the defensive side. I

1187
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:41,160
Speaker 4: think the Ravens had a lot of issues on their defense,

1188
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:44,560
Speaker 4: mostly related to injuries. Third most injured defense last year.

1189
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:46,760
Speaker 4: So I think jesse Minter coming in the former Charge

1190
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:49,360
Speaker 4: defensive coordinator, he got a lot out of not like

1191
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:53,279
Speaker 4: the most well known counter characters, great job last year,

1192
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:56,719
Speaker 4: so I'm expecting a lot from this Ravens defense too.

1193
00:50:56,920 --> 00:50:59,840
Speaker 4: I think that the draft getting vega Ione where they

1194
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:02,160
Speaker 4: did it, they'll help spoost the interior offensive line, now

1195
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:05,360
Speaker 4: obviously the big concern and why I had them in

1196
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:07,680
Speaker 4: my side my top three. They still really don't have

1197
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:09,880
Speaker 4: like a center, like they lost Linderbaum and then they

1198
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:12,360
Speaker 4: didn't get a center in the draft, so that's a

1199
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:14,200
Speaker 4: big concern from them. They did draft on Young, so

1200
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 4: they did get some edge rush help as well, added

1201
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:19,600
Speaker 4: a bunch of more more playmakers for Lamar Jackson, So

1202
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:21,839
Speaker 4: I think that there should still be in the top

1203
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:24,080
Speaker 4: three when you have Lamar Jackson. They didn't get back

1204
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:25,800
Speaker 4: to Crosby, but they got the next best thing I

1205
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:29,239
Speaker 4: think here, So there's a lot of all I can

1206
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:30,880
Speaker 4: think about in the draft.

1207
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:34,359
Speaker 2: I think that's based on the kind of going right

1208
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:34,680
Speaker 2: back to.

1209
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:36,239
Speaker 4: Where they were last year, where Ravens is the number

1210
00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:37,240
Speaker 4: one on paper.

1211
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 3: Here, especially quarterback, give us much better and risk here.

1212
00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:52,520
Speaker 3: But I think Jesse so I think this is a

1213
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:55,759
Speaker 3: bounce back here for the Ravens. All right. Number five,

1214
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:56,640
Speaker 3: I've got the Chargers.

1215
00:51:56,640 --> 00:51:58,719
Speaker 1: I don't like that they lost their defensive coordinator, but

1216
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:01,720
Speaker 1: I love that they added the offensive coordinator of Mike McDaniel.

1217
00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:04,359
Speaker 1: He is a great offensive mind. And Mike McDaniel has

1218
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:07,479
Speaker 1: never had a quarterback close to the size and skill

1219
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:13,319
Speaker 1: skeet skill set now Eric's Schmortgashport skill set of one.

1220
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:15,919
Speaker 1: Justin Herbert Alarion Hampton I think would be a stud

1221
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:18,880
Speaker 1: in this offense. Aronde Gadson could be really intriguing. Like

1222
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:21,640
Speaker 1: the tackles getting hurt last year really killed this team.

1223
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:24,239
Speaker 1: And Justin Herbert was a freaking warrior last year. So

1224
00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:26,799
Speaker 1: anybody to tell me about Justin Herbert being soft? That

1225
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:28,480
Speaker 1: guy got the crap eat out of him on a

1226
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:31,040
Speaker 1: weekly basis and kept coming back for more and helped

1227
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 1: wiel that team into the playoffs. The defense was very good.

1228
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:35,880
Speaker 1: I think they'll still be consistent. So I've got the

1229
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:37,680
Speaker 1: Chargers here. Do you have anything to say about that?

1230
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:40,400
Speaker 3: Boys? Or are we good here? With five? I am

1231
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:42,000
Speaker 3: at five? Ericson where do you have?

1232
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:44,920
Speaker 4: I have them at four. I think that all the

1233
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:47,000
Speaker 4: points about the offense are. I think that's going to

1234
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:49,359
Speaker 4: carry this team to be totally everything right.

1235
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:51,759
Speaker 1: That Jim Harball thing is like, well, they're always gonna

1236
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:54,840
Speaker 1: have a boring offense. They're always gonna be good fundamentally,

1237
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:57,359
Speaker 1: but boring on offense not anymore, And I think that

1238
00:52:57,400 --> 00:53:00,239
Speaker 1: makes them really scary. Like the thing is, I think

1239
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:01,600
Speaker 1: like at the end the Chargers are always going to

1240
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:04,440
Speaker 1: charge her and find a way to undo themselves. But overall,

1241
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:06,000
Speaker 1: I think they're going to be a menace, especially with

1242
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:07,600
Speaker 1: the Chiefs being a little bit weaker than they've been

1243
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:08,160
Speaker 1: in years.

1244
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:08,920
Speaker 3: I do think.

1245
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:13,319
Speaker 4: Might be a shootout team because I think that losing

1246
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:15,279
Speaker 4: Mintor matters a lot because you just look up, the

1247
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:18,319
Speaker 4: look up down the defensive personnel. It's not a bunch

1248
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 4: of household names in Los Angeles, at least in my opinion.

1249
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:24,600
Speaker 4: Now did they give up points, probably especially more than

1250
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:28,440
Speaker 4: last year, but their offense could be top five, if

1251
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:30,640
Speaker 4: not number one, in scoring. They were the second most

1252
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:33,440
Speaker 4: injured team in the AFC last year. This team was

1253
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:35,400
Speaker 4: so gutted losing, But when you look at the splits

1254
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:39,000
Speaker 4: with Justin Herbert when he had his two tackles healthy, man,

1255
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:41,400
Speaker 4: they were absolutely cooking. And that was with Greg Roman

1256
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:44,919
Speaker 4: as the offensive cord. Now you get Mike Daniel coming

1257
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:46,520
Speaker 4: in like very exciting.

1258
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:49,600
Speaker 2: The wild card is they do have Adam Gase on

1259
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:52,160
Speaker 2: the staff here. So if there's anybody else going to

1260
00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:53,520
Speaker 2: try to sink the ship.

1261
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:56,080
Speaker 4: As long as as long as Shane Waldrad is far

1262
00:53:56,239 --> 00:53:59,839
Speaker 4: far away from this offense.

1263
00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:05,319
Speaker 3: You that thing about was it Bell talking about so much?

1264
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 1: You know what if I walked into and he was

1265
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:09,720
Speaker 1: doing a line of cocaine when I was asking.

1266
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:14,839
Speaker 3: What do we all knew? That saw the dude come

1267
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:17,520
Speaker 3: out like the present.

1268
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:23,120
Speaker 1: We all knew already he has an eye condition. Yeah sure, yeah,

1269
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:26,279
Speaker 1: you know what the I condition. He sees cocaine, He

1270
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 1: snorts cocaine.

1271
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:29,560
Speaker 3: That's the coin in his eyes.

1272
00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:32,560
Speaker 1: They were going to be controversial, so I'm going to

1273
00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:39,200
Speaker 1: preface them, do them together, all right, Relax, all right?

1274
00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:42,880
Speaker 1: So I have the Texans at four, and I have

1275
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:44,440
Speaker 1: the Patriots at three and I'm going to tell you

1276
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:46,160
Speaker 1: why I have where I have them.

1277
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:47,719
Speaker 3: Okay, C. J.

1278
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:51,600
Speaker 1: Stroud did not play great football last year. I'm under

1279
00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:54,200
Speaker 1: the assumption, the working assumption right now, that a J.

1280
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:55,520
Speaker 1: Brown will be a Patriot.

1281
00:54:55,719 --> 00:54:57,440
Speaker 3: And when a J. Brown is a Patriot, you've got

1282
00:54:57,480 --> 00:54:58,720
Speaker 3: a J. Brown, Romeo Dobbs.

1283
00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:02,399
Speaker 1: You've got too very capable running backs there to give

1284
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:05,319
Speaker 1: you a different look. I think that's important. I liked

1285
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:07,600
Speaker 1: that they went offensive tackle with low Moon in the

1286
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:10,319
Speaker 1: first round. I think that, you know, you go back

1287
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:11,759
Speaker 1: and look at the defense last year, how good they

1288
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:14,920
Speaker 1: were against the run. They did draft a pass rusher too,

1289
00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:17,680
Speaker 1: which I think was very important. Christian Gonzalez is a

1290
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:19,719
Speaker 1: great player. Like they this is a good team. It's

1291
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:21,680
Speaker 1: a well coached football team, and they have a young

1292
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:23,640
Speaker 1: quarterback that I think is very good. I think Drake

1293
00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:27,280
Speaker 1: May was hurt on top of which also just got

1294
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:30,160
Speaker 1: killed against the top three defenses. That offensive line just

1295
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:31,759
Speaker 1: did not hold. But he found a way to win

1296
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:32,480
Speaker 1: and I respect that.

1297
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:33,880
Speaker 3: Now, if a J.

1298
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:35,760
Speaker 1: Brown doesn't go there and he goes to the Rams,

1299
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:37,360
Speaker 1: I will flip flop this because I think a J.

1300
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:39,520
Speaker 1: Brown is that much of a difference maker for this

1301
00:55:39,560 --> 00:55:43,080
Speaker 1: Patriots team that did not have a real legitimate wide

1302
00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:45,440
Speaker 1: receiver in that room. They had a bunch of Jags

1303
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:47,680
Speaker 1: who would show up and play good football, but they

1304
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:49,399
Speaker 1: didn't have a guy that get impact and wreck a game.

1305
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:52,520
Speaker 1: I love the defense of the Texans. I'm a little

1306
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:55,520
Speaker 1: worried about what's in between the ears here for CJ.

1307
00:55:55,600 --> 00:55:56,000
Speaker 3: Stroud.

1308
00:55:56,360 --> 00:55:59,000
Speaker 1: I saw a deer in the headlights quarterback last year

1309
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:01,080
Speaker 1: and offensive line issues.

1310
00:56:01,080 --> 00:56:03,360
Speaker 3: I think they address some of it. I love the defense.

1311
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:03,919
Speaker 3: It's all world.

1312
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:05,719
Speaker 1: I think Demiica Ryan's is an outstanding head coach. I

1313
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:08,239
Speaker 1: think these are very close, but at the end of

1314
00:56:08,239 --> 00:56:13,160
Speaker 1: the day, I will take the hopefully AJ Brown Patriots

1315
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:17,080
Speaker 1: Mike Rabel combination with Drake may Over. What I saw

1316
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:19,320
Speaker 1: was a quarterback that regressed a lot in c J.

1317
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:21,239
Speaker 3: Stroud. I think c J. Strout can get right.

1318
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:22,840
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna write them off like a lot of

1319
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:24,640
Speaker 1: other people, but I'll tell you what I've seen some

1320
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:26,759
Speaker 1: of the offseason conditioning of c J. Stroud and color

1321
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:29,280
Speaker 1: me unimpressed. He looks that guy's not taking things seriously

1322
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:32,720
Speaker 1: enough for me. That's my take on it. I'll step

1323
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:34,120
Speaker 1: back and give you guys the floor because I know

1324
00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:34,840
Speaker 1: you disagree with me.

1325
00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:35,520
Speaker 3: Go ahead.

1326
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:38,600
Speaker 2: So I've got the Texans at seven. I'm more worried

1327
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:40,480
Speaker 2: about c J. Stroud than you are. I think you

1328
00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:41,640
Speaker 2: can hold this team back.

1329
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:44,279
Speaker 3: But that defense, Dee Bro, that's pretty low to Okay, okay,

1330
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:44,960
Speaker 3: hold on, hold up.

1331
00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:48,640
Speaker 2: Their defense played at a Seahawks level last year. If

1332
00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:51,239
Speaker 2: they regress at all, and I'm not saying that they're

1333
00:56:51,239 --> 00:56:53,719
Speaker 2: gonna regress where there's sixteenth in defense, but if they

1334
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:57,520
Speaker 2: become a top two defense in the NFL, they slide

1335
00:56:57,520 --> 00:56:58,880
Speaker 2: down to like their top five.

1336
00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:00,879
Speaker 3: Or top seven or something like that.

1337
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:03,080
Speaker 2: That's where I feel like the defense has to carry

1338
00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:06,040
Speaker 2: everything for the Texans, and I don't think it.

1339
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:09,359
Speaker 3: Almost to the Super Bowl. I know that.

1340
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:12,560
Speaker 2: But again we talk about like c J. Stroud, I

1341
00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:14,840
Speaker 2: don't know if we ever see rookie season c J.

1342
00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:15,320
Speaker 3: Stroud.

1343
00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:17,200
Speaker 2: I think he got too much in his in his

1344
00:57:17,240 --> 00:57:19,560
Speaker 2: own head and he got like it was basically I

1345
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:22,200
Speaker 2: Am king of the world, and ever since then, he

1346
00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:24,400
Speaker 2: doesn't put the work in, like.

1347
00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:27,880
Speaker 3: He's not quarterback in that draft, and we were right,

1348
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:28,920
Speaker 3: but like.

1349
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:31,440
Speaker 1: Still it's it's do you what do you make of

1350
00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:33,720
Speaker 1: the Dave Montgomery addition to though, does that take a

1351
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:35,040
Speaker 1: little bit of pressure that will help?

1352
00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:36,480
Speaker 3: I think that will help a crap.

1353
00:57:38,120 --> 00:57:39,800
Speaker 4: Like they couldn't run football. I mean when you have

1354
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:43,760
Speaker 4: Woody Marx and I mean Joe Mixon didn't play. Likes

1355
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:44,760
Speaker 4: to hold up though, like.

1356
00:57:44,680 --> 00:57:46,400
Speaker 3: He has to hold up at his age, he has

1357
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:46,800
Speaker 3: to hold up.

1358
00:57:47,640 --> 00:57:50,360
Speaker 4: But I so for me, I have Texans at five,

1359
00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:53,640
Speaker 4: so I have them behind. I still prefer the Chargers.

1360
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:56,720
Speaker 4: I think that it's really more about c J. Stroud

1361
00:57:56,760 --> 00:57:59,480
Speaker 4: than the defense. I think the defense is elite up

1362
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:02,520
Speaker 4: and down the ball. However, what do we know what

1363
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:04,360
Speaker 4: tends to be more sticky year over year when it

1364
00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:07,600
Speaker 4: comes to NFL offenses defenses. Offenses are more sticky than defenses.

1365
00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:10,520
Speaker 4: Defenses we know because they rely on turnovers and things

1366
00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:13,280
Speaker 4: like that in schedule where some of the numbers aren't

1367
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:15,320
Speaker 4: as easily replicated year over year. I mean, the Texans

1368
00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:17,720
Speaker 4: were winning games last ye because they're defense. The Texans

1369
00:58:17,720 --> 00:58:21,400
Speaker 4: offense was below average. It was the fifth most injured offense.

1370
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:24,560
Speaker 4: So that's what concerns me. The Texan offense has to

1371
00:58:24,560 --> 00:58:27,080
Speaker 4: be better. CJ. Shroud has to be looking more like

1372
00:58:27,120 --> 00:58:29,480
Speaker 4: his rookie year form if they're going to be a

1373
00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:31,919
Speaker 4: top five unit that they were last year in terms

1374
00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:35,760
Speaker 4: of their overall success. So I can see shroud and

1375
00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:37,680
Speaker 4: that's kind of why we're a little bit all over

1376
00:58:37,720 --> 00:58:39,800
Speaker 4: the place with his ranking. And honestly, as I kind

1377
00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:41,800
Speaker 4: of just talk about this, I think Whereby moved the

1378
00:58:41,800 --> 00:58:45,960
Speaker 4: Bengals above the the Texans because I'm more confident that

1379
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:49,200
Speaker 4: the Bengals offense will be elite versus the Texans defense

1380
00:58:49,240 --> 00:58:52,040
Speaker 4: being elite year over year. So that's the argument I

1381
00:58:52,040 --> 00:58:53,800
Speaker 4: would make in something that I'll probably change after this.

1382
00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:56,880
Speaker 4: And then for the Patriots, look, I'm just I want

1383
00:58:56,880 --> 00:59:01,800
Speaker 4: to be as Eric them eight and I have in six,

1384
00:59:02,200 --> 00:59:05,920
Speaker 4: I have been six, So hold on, Joey, hold on.

1385
00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:07,240
Speaker 3: And I mean here's the thing.

1386
00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:08,520
Speaker 1: I don't know how you can have them that low

1387
00:59:08,560 --> 00:59:10,360
Speaker 1: based on the fact they're in the division with the

1388
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:11,320
Speaker 1: Dolphins of the Jets.

1389
00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:12,640
Speaker 3: Still that I think that's for.

1390
00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:16,960
Speaker 2: The schedule is going to be harder schedule outside of

1391
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:19,760
Speaker 2: the divisions right there, and they probably split with the Bills.

1392
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:23,560
Speaker 3: So that's five wins right there, and I okay, hard factory.

1393
00:59:23,680 --> 00:59:25,400
Speaker 3: I'm not saying the roster is going to be better.

1394
00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:27,640
Speaker 4: Too, but if they're number eight, I'm not saying they're

1395
00:59:27,640 --> 00:59:28,680
Speaker 4: not going to make the play. I mean they're in

1396
00:59:28,720 --> 00:59:31,840
Speaker 4: the playoff contentation six. I would rather take the Bills

1397
00:59:32,080 --> 00:59:33,919
Speaker 4: over the Patriots, So I have to be ranked higher.

1398
00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:35,880
Speaker 3: Patriots obvious because we haven't talked about.

1399
00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:38,200
Speaker 4: Them, and then so, yeah, we talked about the schedule.

1400
00:59:38,280 --> 00:59:40,640
Speaker 4: They were also the healthiest team in the NFL last year. Yes,

1401
00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:43,680
Speaker 4: like that's another big thing for the Patriots. Where every

1402
00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:46,680
Speaker 4: regression box I look for the Patriots are on of.

1403
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:48,920
Speaker 4: You have to fade this team in twenty twenty six.

1404
00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:50,880
Speaker 4: So naturally I want to make sure I agree that

1405
00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:53,760
Speaker 4: I'm lower than them versus the consensus where you look

1406
00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:56,520
Speaker 4: at the conference odds, it's nine to one for the

1407
00:59:56,560 --> 01:00:00,240
Speaker 4: Patriots to win the AFC. I I don't want any

1408
01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:02,600
Speaker 4: part of that because I just seen the story play

1409
01:00:02,600 --> 01:00:04,640
Speaker 4: out before and you talk about the Super Bowl losers,

1410
01:00:04,680 --> 01:00:07,000
Speaker 4: super Bowl hangover, and then just right down the vibes

1411
01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:10,480
Speaker 4: six vibes now, vibes for the Patriots are awful.

1412
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:12,720
Speaker 3: I don't even talk about mac Rabel yet.

1413
01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:15,520
Speaker 4: I absolutely hate this. What does Mike Rabel situation? I

1414
01:00:15,560 --> 01:00:18,680
Speaker 4: think that it does matter because he's not this offensive

1415
01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:22,240
Speaker 4: defensive erections, not defensive guru. But he is a leader

1416
01:00:22,240 --> 01:00:25,000
Speaker 4: of men, head coach, the CEO, head coach, and everything

1417
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:26,880
Speaker 4: stems down from the CEO, and the CEO is not

1418
01:00:26,920 --> 01:00:29,320
Speaker 4: one hundred percent dialed in. Again, that is up to

1419
01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:31,480
Speaker 4: your discretion whether you think he's dialed in or not.

1420
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:33,840
Speaker 4: The fact that he's taking time away to spend time

1421
01:00:33,840 --> 01:00:35,640
Speaker 4: with his family and not at the NFL Draft, that

1422
01:00:35,680 --> 01:00:37,720
Speaker 4: to me is a conflict of it. Like he's not

1423
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:39,880
Speaker 4: as dialed in as he should be, so and that

1424
01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:42,960
Speaker 4: reflects on the roster. So that concerns me about the

1425
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:45,520
Speaker 4: Patriots in twenty twenty six, even if they score more

1426
01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:47,560
Speaker 4: points offensive, if they get a J. Brown. Yeah, these

1427
01:00:47,560 --> 01:00:50,520
Speaker 4: are great ways to mitigate that regression. But when push

1428
01:00:50,560 --> 01:00:52,600
Speaker 4: comes to shove, when they face adversity in the season,

1429
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:54,680
Speaker 4: is Mike Brabel gonna be up for the task. That's

1430
01:00:54,680 --> 01:00:56,080
Speaker 4: what I'm concerned about. So that's why I have the

1431
01:00:56,120 --> 01:00:56,439
Speaker 4: at eight.

1432
01:00:56,520 --> 01:00:58,200
Speaker 3: I think that's the thing about during the draft.

1433
01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:00,400
Speaker 1: I just want to say this was completely perform orimative

1434
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:03,080
Speaker 1: and nonsense that I'm going to have counseling during the

1435
01:01:03,080 --> 01:01:03,959
Speaker 1: weekend of the draft.

1436
01:01:04,040 --> 01:01:05,600
Speaker 3: It's all performative, it's all.

1437
01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:07,480
Speaker 1: For show, and they they could have done it the

1438
01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:09,520
Speaker 1: week before, they could have done it the week after.

1439
01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:11,760
Speaker 1: They try to do it the weekend of to prove

1440
01:01:11,800 --> 01:01:14,120
Speaker 1: a point about how seriously we're taking all of this,

1441
01:01:14,440 --> 01:01:17,080
Speaker 1: and you know what, like bad job by Mike Rabel,

1442
01:01:17,360 --> 01:01:20,680
Speaker 1: bad job by Dynasity, like all everybody involved in this

1443
01:01:20,760 --> 01:01:22,840
Speaker 1: whole thing is just messy and it's gross. But I

1444
01:01:22,840 --> 01:01:24,440
Speaker 1: think at the end of the day, come August first,

1445
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:27,200
Speaker 1: and maybe this is just the cynic of me, nobody's

1446
01:01:27,240 --> 01:01:28,680
Speaker 1: gonna give a rats ass, least.

1447
01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:29,720
Speaker 3: Of all any of the Patriots players.

1448
01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:31,240
Speaker 1: They're going to get back to business because this is

1449
01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:34,040
Speaker 1: professional football, all right, And I just don't think anyone's

1450
01:01:34,040 --> 01:01:34,520
Speaker 1: gonna care.

1451
01:01:34,640 --> 01:01:37,600
Speaker 3: I really don't. That's professional football. But they're all still

1452
01:01:37,680 --> 01:01:40,360
Speaker 3: humans too, so even all things might not be I

1453
01:01:40,360 --> 01:01:44,000
Speaker 3: don't know. Even though on his wife, the first player,

1454
01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:47,640
Speaker 3: we're talking about the history of that. We're not talking

1455
01:01:47,680 --> 01:01:48,320
Speaker 3: about the history of that.

1456
01:01:48,360 --> 01:01:50,160
Speaker 2: We're talking about how this affects the man that is

1457
01:01:50,240 --> 01:01:53,600
Speaker 2: leading men in the Patriots building. And there's also Albert

1458
01:01:53,600 --> 01:01:55,960
Speaker 2: Brier has been out there talking about Mike Rabel has

1459
01:01:56,000 --> 01:01:58,160
Speaker 2: not been the same guy since all of this stuff

1460
01:01:58,160 --> 01:01:58,720
Speaker 2: has gone there.

1461
01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:01,080
Speaker 3: If that does I know that, what do you expect

1462
01:02:01,120 --> 01:02:01,440
Speaker 3: them to be.

1463
01:02:01,680 --> 01:02:03,840
Speaker 2: Just because this falls out of the news cycle doesn't

1464
01:02:03,880 --> 01:02:06,040
Speaker 2: mean that things with him get better at home or

1465
01:02:06,120 --> 01:02:09,000
Speaker 2: things that away from cameras are I'm not saying and

1466
01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:11,040
Speaker 2: that it's not still weighing on his psyche Joe.

1467
01:02:11,080 --> 01:02:13,520
Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's gonna help. I'm just saying I'm

1468
01:02:13,560 --> 01:02:15,520
Speaker 1: not gonna make it the reason for the death Knel

1469
01:02:15,520 --> 01:02:17,280
Speaker 1: of a Patriots scene. The reason for the death a

1470
01:02:17,280 --> 01:02:21,320
Speaker 1: Patriots scene this year is, to Ericson's point, basically the

1471
01:02:21,720 --> 01:02:24,080
Speaker 1: last year they all other reasons.

1472
01:02:24,120 --> 01:02:26,240
Speaker 2: I don't We hadn't even talked about their offensive line yet,

1473
01:02:26,280 --> 01:02:29,479
Speaker 2: like we let's talk get more. If Morgan Moses takes

1474
01:02:29,480 --> 01:02:31,760
Speaker 2: a step back, this is not even a Will Campbell conversation.

1475
01:02:31,840 --> 01:02:34,040
Speaker 2: And Morgan Moses takes a step back his father, time

1476
01:02:34,080 --> 01:02:37,000
Speaker 2: waits for nobody. If Elijah vera Tucker because he's been

1477
01:02:37,080 --> 01:02:39,240
Speaker 2: hurt for most of his career, it cannot stay healthy.

1478
01:02:39,680 --> 01:02:42,440
Speaker 2: You are losing two integral cogs of the starting line.

1479
01:02:42,480 --> 01:02:44,040
Speaker 2: And then you're saying, okay, now we need to thrust

1480
01:02:44,040 --> 01:02:45,760
Speaker 2: into having start Caleb Lomu.

1481
01:02:46,200 --> 01:02:49,000
Speaker 3: Could that be okay? Maybe it is, Maybe it's.

1482
01:02:48,800 --> 01:02:51,160
Speaker 2: Not because a lot of rookie offensive linemen do struggle,

1483
01:02:51,240 --> 01:02:53,960
Speaker 2: so then the offensive line is a problem, and then

1484
01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:56,360
Speaker 2: we get to everything else with the Patriots plus coming

1485
01:02:56,400 --> 01:02:57,720
Speaker 2: off the super Bowl loss, so.

1486
01:02:57,800 --> 01:02:59,120
Speaker 3: Oh, look, they're not gonna go the super Bowl.

1487
01:02:59,120 --> 01:03:00,920
Speaker 1: I think they're a playoff team still, because I do

1488
01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:02,120
Speaker 1: think the division is so soft.

1489
01:03:02,240 --> 01:03:04,280
Speaker 3: I think they're a playoff team because they have a

1490
01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:06,680
Speaker 3: f C East is so cheap.

1491
01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:08,440
Speaker 1: We're doing power ring because you have to keep that

1492
01:03:08,480 --> 01:03:10,120
Speaker 1: in mind. Whereas the Texans played.

1493
01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:11,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I can't put them at three.

1494
01:03:11,560 --> 01:03:14,240
Speaker 1: No, but we can't if we're gonna laud the Titans.

1495
01:03:14,480 --> 01:03:17,040
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna be the biggest fan of the Indianapolis

1496
01:03:17,040 --> 01:03:17,880
Speaker 1: Colts apparently this year.

1497
01:03:17,920 --> 01:03:22,000
Speaker 3: I'm like, you know, I'm that guy. This is our team.

1498
01:03:23,280 --> 01:03:26,920
Speaker 4: You're gonna ac finalist banner in the background.

1499
01:03:27,160 --> 01:03:30,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then the Jaguars are in this division too,

1500
01:03:30,200 --> 01:03:31,480
Speaker 1: Like I look at the a f C South as

1501
01:03:31,480 --> 01:03:34,280
Speaker 1: a far more competitive division, and I just think, agree

1502
01:03:34,360 --> 01:03:36,520
Speaker 1: that matters when you're talking about the Texans. Clearly you

1503
01:03:36,560 --> 01:03:37,920
Speaker 1: do too, because you have the Texans lower than I do,

1504
01:03:37,960 --> 01:03:41,040
Speaker 1: which means is only two spots left. Number two the

1505
01:03:41,080 --> 01:03:43,400
Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills. They still got Jackson Allen he's still the

1506
01:03:43,480 --> 01:03:46,000
Speaker 1: m v P. They fired the head coach, and you

1507
01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:48,280
Speaker 1: know what, they stayed with the continuity from within. So

1508
01:03:48,320 --> 01:03:50,520
Speaker 1: it'll be really interesting to see what's different about them.

1509
01:03:50,920 --> 01:03:53,960
Speaker 1: But the biggest problem and the biggest obvious missing point

1510
01:03:54,120 --> 01:03:57,560
Speaker 1: was that when Stefan Diggs left, they never replaced them,

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01:03:57,840 --> 01:04:00,960
Speaker 1: and they tried to get cute, and eventually they realized

1512
01:04:01,640 --> 01:04:03,760
Speaker 1: enough being cute, Let's go get DJ Moore, a veteran

1513
01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:07,120
Speaker 1: wide receiver, and let's just stop being just stop, just

1514
01:04:07,120 --> 01:04:09,920
Speaker 1: stop being nonsensical. I think the Bills have a legit

1515
01:04:09,960 --> 01:04:11,360
Speaker 1: shot this year to go to a Super Bowl.

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Speaker 3: I really do.

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Speaker 1: And then obviously that leaves only one team left for me,

1518
01:04:14,200 --> 01:04:17,439
Speaker 1: which is the Denver Broncos. We could talk crap about

1519
01:04:17,480 --> 01:04:19,560
Speaker 1: ball knicks all you want, everybody. Bonnick shows up in

1520
01:04:19,600 --> 01:04:21,480
Speaker 1: fourth quarters, he shows up in second half. He finds

1521
01:04:21,520 --> 01:04:23,920
Speaker 1: way to win games. He's got a little bit of

1522
01:04:23,920 --> 01:04:26,880
Speaker 1: that that weird kind of magic in him. He can

1523
01:04:26,920 --> 01:04:29,360
Speaker 1: make plays with his legs. The defense is so good.

1524
01:04:29,400 --> 01:04:31,680
Speaker 1: They added Jalen Waddle. They've got depth now at the

1525
01:04:31,720 --> 01:04:34,400
Speaker 1: running back position. Look, you can make a lot of

1526
01:04:34,480 --> 01:04:36,560
Speaker 1: arguments that if bo Nix was healthy, they would be

1527
01:04:36,560 --> 01:04:38,120
Speaker 1: going to Super Bowl last year, and that would have

1528
01:04:38,160 --> 01:04:39,960
Speaker 1: been a very interesting super Bowl with those two defenses

1529
01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:42,800
Speaker 1: going back or the champion. I will say this though,

1530
01:04:42,920 --> 01:04:44,600
Speaker 1: keep this in mind, no head coach has ever won

1531
01:04:44,680 --> 01:04:46,800
Speaker 1: a Super Bowl, has ever gotten to a super Bowl

1532
01:04:46,800 --> 01:04:49,320
Speaker 1: with their second team. There's the one little caveat that

1533
01:04:49,320 --> 01:04:51,040
Speaker 1: Sean Payton has going against him. I think that's a

1534
01:04:51,080 --> 01:04:54,840
Speaker 1: really fascinating little tidbit of information. So no head coach

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01:04:54,840 --> 01:04:57,400
Speaker 1: has ever taken a team to the Super Bowl one

1536
01:04:57,480 --> 01:04:59,360
Speaker 1: and then gone somewhere else and done it again.

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01:04:59,760 --> 01:05:01,400
Speaker 3: So that's really interesting when you think about that.

1538
01:05:01,520 --> 01:05:05,520
Speaker 1: Not Bill Parcels, you know, not not Jimmy Johnson, not

1539
01:05:05,600 --> 01:05:08,400
Speaker 1: any of the Vince Lombardi you know, after he left

1540
01:05:08,440 --> 01:05:11,120
Speaker 1: the Green Bay Packers, he went to Washington. He didn't

1541
01:05:11,160 --> 01:05:13,440
Speaker 1: do it right. So it's just saying it's kind of

1542
01:05:13,440 --> 01:05:15,920
Speaker 1: an interesting stat there. So that's my number one, my

1543
01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:18,800
Speaker 1: number two Broncos one bills to I still put the

1544
01:05:18,800 --> 01:05:20,479
Speaker 1: Broncos ahea because they also have a big home field

1545
01:05:20,480 --> 01:05:23,600
Speaker 1: advantage to you, which I think you can't discount. So

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01:05:23,680 --> 01:05:25,520
Speaker 1: I don't know if anybody wants to argue for against

1547
01:05:25,560 --> 01:05:26,960
Speaker 1: this or has a different order of him.

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01:05:27,320 --> 01:05:28,760
Speaker 3: Ericson what do you think about these two tips at

1549
01:05:28,760 --> 01:05:29,240
Speaker 3: the top three.

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01:05:29,640 --> 01:05:31,560
Speaker 2: I have bills one bill. I have bills too in

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01:05:31,600 --> 01:05:33,080
Speaker 2: Broncos one. Okay, we're hand holding.

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01:05:33,200 --> 01:05:35,000
Speaker 3: Okay, wait, you have bills one.

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01:05:35,120 --> 01:05:36,880
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, no, no, no, I have I have the

1554
01:05:36,880 --> 01:05:39,080
Speaker 2: bills too, and the Broncos won me. Okay, so you're this,

1555
01:05:39,200 --> 01:05:40,840
Speaker 2: I'm just like you do you have yep?

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01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:43,640
Speaker 4: So just like this is what I originally had was

1557
01:05:43,680 --> 01:05:47,040
Speaker 4: Broncos one and the bills too. But I did actually

1558
01:05:47,040 --> 01:05:49,080
Speaker 4: have a change of heart as I was going through it,

1559
01:05:49,160 --> 01:05:50,760
Speaker 4: and I actually put the bills number one in the

1560
01:05:50,760 --> 01:05:54,160
Speaker 4: Broncos number two. Part of this does and so let

1561
01:05:54,200 --> 01:05:56,720
Speaker 4: me lay out the again. Play the top two teams.

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01:05:56,360 --> 01:05:57,360
Speaker 3: Please, I want to hear the case.

1563
01:05:57,400 --> 01:05:58,960
Speaker 4: So one of the things that I am kind of

1564
01:05:58,960 --> 01:06:02,160
Speaker 4: concerned about is bone ankle injury thing where it's like, oh,

1565
01:06:02,200 --> 01:06:04,840
Speaker 4: now he had another surgery on It's like okay, And

1566
01:06:05,560 --> 01:06:07,960
Speaker 4: the whole like discourse with his injury has been really

1567
01:06:07,960 --> 01:06:10,320
Speaker 4: weird with Sean Payne, Like telling before is that he

1568
01:06:10,320 --> 01:06:12,479
Speaker 4: has his ankle injury. Bo Nix is like why telling

1569
01:06:12,480 --> 01:06:14,480
Speaker 4: people have this ankle injury? Why telling people have a

1570
01:06:14,560 --> 01:06:15,480
Speaker 4: history of ankle injuries?

1571
01:06:15,520 --> 01:06:16,560
Speaker 3: So that is just one.

1572
01:06:16,440 --> 01:06:18,280
Speaker 4: Thing I want to kind of like not totally forget

1573
01:06:18,280 --> 01:06:18,680
Speaker 4: about it.

1574
01:06:19,080 --> 01:06:19,240
Speaker 3: Bro.

1575
01:06:20,240 --> 01:06:22,560
Speaker 4: It's like, where where's Boenix's mobility?

1576
01:06:22,560 --> 01:06:23,040
Speaker 3: Where's it?

1577
01:06:23,040 --> 01:06:24,960
Speaker 4: It's because he had all these ankle injuries that are

1578
01:06:25,000 --> 01:06:25,600
Speaker 4: stemming back.

1579
01:06:25,480 --> 01:06:26,120
Speaker 3: From high school.

1580
01:06:26,120 --> 01:06:31,400
Speaker 4: I mean his nobility, that's his bobility. And the other

1581
01:06:31,480 --> 01:06:35,440
Speaker 4: thing too, is when it comes to these teams and

1582
01:06:35,480 --> 01:06:37,400
Speaker 4: how they've addressed the off season, well, what do they

1583
01:06:37,400 --> 01:06:39,439
Speaker 4: both do? They both trade it for number one wide

1584
01:06:39,440 --> 01:06:43,160
Speaker 4: receivers right making moves as Super Bowl contenders. Hey can

1585
01:06:43,240 --> 01:06:45,000
Speaker 4: DJ Moore put us over the top? Can Jay Len

1586
01:06:45,040 --> 01:06:46,880
Speaker 4: Walla put us over the top? So I like the

1587
01:06:46,880 --> 01:06:49,680
Speaker 4: way that they mostly addressed the off season. They did

1588
01:06:49,680 --> 01:06:51,280
Speaker 4: the best that they could with in terms of their

1589
01:06:51,320 --> 01:06:54,480
Speaker 4: respective drafts. I do think that when you're looking at

1590
01:06:54,480 --> 01:06:58,680
Speaker 4: the offenses overall, who would I rather take? Taking Josh

1591
01:06:58,720 --> 01:07:00,840
Speaker 4: Allen and I don't care what his weapons are. Both

1592
01:07:00,840 --> 01:07:04,400
Speaker 4: offensive lines I think are excellent top ten units. But

1593
01:07:04,640 --> 01:07:07,120
Speaker 4: it's Joe Brady as the head coach. We've seen him

1594
01:07:07,120 --> 01:07:09,240
Speaker 4: cook in this offense with Josh Allen, with James Cook,

1595
01:07:09,440 --> 01:07:11,920
Speaker 4: with a lot of depth at the wide receiver position,

1596
01:07:11,920 --> 01:07:13,320
Speaker 4: they don't have to feature one guy. And that's part

1597
01:07:13,360 --> 01:07:14,920
Speaker 4: of the reason why I think these teams have success

1598
01:07:15,120 --> 01:07:17,640
Speaker 4: is because they're not just featuring one guy. It's we

1599
01:07:17,680 --> 01:07:19,160
Speaker 4: have a lot of depth. We can beat teams in

1600
01:07:19,160 --> 01:07:20,680
Speaker 4: a lot of different ways. We can run the football,

1601
01:07:20,680 --> 01:07:23,840
Speaker 4: we can throw the football. So but still thinking, I'm

1602
01:07:23,880 --> 01:07:25,960
Speaker 4: taking Josh Allen for Bo Nicks, and I don't think

1603
01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:27,760
Speaker 4: that's really up for debates. So I think their offense

1604
01:07:27,840 --> 01:07:32,400
Speaker 4: is better. Now the question goes to defense where last year, that's.

1605
01:07:32,280 --> 01:07:35,200
Speaker 1: What I think the Broncos defense is so good and

1606
01:07:35,240 --> 01:07:36,080
Speaker 1: that that's so.

1607
01:07:36,040 --> 01:07:38,880
Speaker 3: Much better than the Bills defense. Okay, especially in the playoffs.

1608
01:07:39,080 --> 01:07:41,440
Speaker 4: Let me lay out the case though for Buffalo closing

1609
01:07:41,480 --> 01:07:44,160
Speaker 4: the gap on Den Please do added Bradley Chubb gonna

1610
01:07:44,200 --> 01:07:47,440
Speaker 4: get a healthy at Oliver. Last year they had the

1611
01:07:47,480 --> 01:07:51,080
Speaker 4: fourth most injured defense. So part of the reason why

1612
01:07:51,120 --> 01:07:53,680
Speaker 4: things fell off a cliff last year was their defense.

1613
01:07:53,800 --> 01:07:56,600
Speaker 4: And what do they do? They changed out their head coach,

1614
01:07:56,680 --> 01:08:00,640
Speaker 4: defensive guy. They hired the Broncos former defensive player, so

1615
01:08:01,080 --> 01:08:03,840
Speaker 4: or defensive coach to come in and call their defensive plays.

1616
01:08:03,960 --> 01:08:05,640
Speaker 4: What are they do in the draft. Joe Brady is

1617
01:08:05,680 --> 01:08:07,840
Speaker 4: the head coach. He's an offensive guy. You think, Okay,

1618
01:08:07,840 --> 01:08:09,600
Speaker 4: he's going to really want to plan his flag on

1619
01:08:09,680 --> 01:08:12,160
Speaker 4: a bunch offensive players in the draft. Nope, they just

1620
01:08:12,240 --> 01:08:15,320
Speaker 4: draft defensive players in the first three rounds. Edge rusher,

1621
01:08:15,560 --> 01:08:18,600
Speaker 4: cornerback Maxwell Harrison a first round pick last year, he

1622
01:08:18,640 --> 01:08:21,200
Speaker 4: barely played because he was injured. If those guys come

1623
01:08:21,240 --> 01:08:23,679
Speaker 4: back and are healthy, I think now you're looking at

1624
01:08:23,720 --> 01:08:27,519
Speaker 4: this Bill's defense as a strength of this unit maybe also,

1625
01:08:27,880 --> 01:08:30,559
Speaker 4: So that's why I think they can close the gap.

1626
01:08:30,560 --> 01:08:32,840
Speaker 4: And then when it comes to Denver again losing some

1627
01:08:32,880 --> 01:08:36,320
Speaker 4: defensive coaches to the Buffalo Bills, I think that matters.

1628
01:08:36,720 --> 01:08:38,320
Speaker 4: And I think that when you look at what they

1629
01:08:38,360 --> 01:08:42,719
Speaker 4: did overall, they were the healthiest or excuse me, third

1630
01:08:42,760 --> 01:08:46,400
Speaker 4: healthiest defense last year. So if they have less injury luck,

1631
01:08:46,640 --> 01:08:48,639
Speaker 4: you could see Buffalo closing the gap and the defenses

1632
01:08:48,680 --> 01:08:53,120
Speaker 4: are like at least within the same range the same tier. Well, offensively,

1633
01:08:53,560 --> 01:08:55,360
Speaker 4: Josh Allen in the Bills office is gonna be better

1634
01:08:55,439 --> 01:08:57,559
Speaker 4: in my opinion that the Denver Broncos or the Denver

1635
01:08:57,600 --> 01:08:59,960
Speaker 4: Broncos offense. So that's why for me, it's going to be.

1636
01:09:00,200 --> 01:09:03,320
Speaker 4: They also played in a much weaker division, as we've outlined.

1637
01:09:03,640 --> 01:09:06,000
Speaker 1: Look, I think you make an outstanding argument. All the

1638
01:09:06,080 --> 01:09:08,360
Speaker 1: arguments you make for Buffalo are outstanding. I just want

1639
01:09:08,400 --> 01:09:09,120
Speaker 1: to point that out there.

1640
01:09:09,120 --> 01:09:09,439
Speaker 4: Thank you.

1641
01:09:10,080 --> 01:09:13,240
Speaker 3: They're very good. I agree with all the things you said,

1642
01:09:13,280 --> 01:09:14,760
Speaker 3: and I can certainly see it bouncing that way.

1643
01:09:15,360 --> 01:09:18,240
Speaker 1: I will continue to have Denver ahead because I believe

1644
01:09:18,840 --> 01:09:20,800
Speaker 1: at the end of the day that that kind of

1645
01:09:20,800 --> 01:09:25,200
Speaker 1: defense that's so good is the one that is I mean, look,

1646
01:09:25,240 --> 01:09:26,920
Speaker 1: we already saw it on full display last time in

1647
01:09:26,960 --> 01:09:27,880
Speaker 1: the playoffs last year.

1648
01:09:28,120 --> 01:09:29,400
Speaker 3: This year, I shouldn't say in the.

1649
01:09:29,360 --> 01:09:33,280
Speaker 1: Playoffs, right, Josh Allen went in there and despite all

1650
01:09:33,320 --> 01:09:34,760
Speaker 1: of that, he could.

1651
01:09:34,520 --> 01:09:36,320
Speaker 3: Not pull the rabbit out of his hat. Why Because

1652
01:09:36,360 --> 01:09:39,240
Speaker 3: I think the coaching, which I think they still win.

1653
01:09:39,320 --> 01:09:42,719
Speaker 1: I think Brady's going to be an interesting head coach.

1654
01:09:42,840 --> 01:09:44,920
Speaker 1: We've been calling for it for a long time, to

1655
01:09:45,120 --> 01:09:46,320
Speaker 1: him to get a shot as a head coach in

1656
01:09:46,360 --> 01:09:48,920
Speaker 1: the NFL, but it's unproven. So I'll go with Sean

1657
01:09:48,960 --> 01:09:51,839
Speaker 1: Payton and all of his experience along with that defense.

1658
01:09:51,880 --> 01:09:53,599
Speaker 1: To me, that's the breaker. Go ahead, get the last

1659
01:09:53,600 --> 01:09:55,120
Speaker 1: word in debro and then we'll call it a day here.

1660
01:09:55,800 --> 01:09:58,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think the most interesting thing for

1661
01:09:58,320 --> 01:10:00,280
Speaker 2: the Bills for me, that could push them to one

1662
01:10:00,680 --> 01:10:03,040
Speaker 2: is what do we see out of their offense. How

1663
01:10:03,120 --> 01:10:06,240
Speaker 2: much did McDermott have an effect on what Joe Brady

1664
01:10:06,240 --> 01:10:08,840
Speaker 2: wanted to do with the offense, Like them being so

1665
01:10:09,080 --> 01:10:11,320
Speaker 2: run heavy, Could they be more pass heavy? Could they

1666
01:10:11,320 --> 01:10:14,880
Speaker 2: be more explosive, especially with you know, it's all cute

1667
01:10:14,920 --> 01:10:16,720
Speaker 2: and great to talk about, Oh, we don't have a

1668
01:10:16,720 --> 01:10:19,760
Speaker 2: true wide receiver one until you need a true wide

1669
01:10:19,760 --> 01:10:21,559
Speaker 2: receiver one when the chips are down and you need

1670
01:10:21,600 --> 01:10:23,599
Speaker 2: the guy that like, look, I know he can get open.

1671
01:10:23,960 --> 01:10:24,519
Speaker 3: You need that.

1672
01:10:24,920 --> 01:10:27,559
Speaker 2: So adding Dj Moore, I'm very curious with the Bills

1673
01:10:28,360 --> 01:10:32,200
Speaker 2: look like on offense. I stick with the Broncos number

1674
01:10:32,240 --> 01:10:35,519
Speaker 2: one only because if we take the quarterback out of this,

1675
01:10:36,000 --> 01:10:41,880
Speaker 2: the completely totally like Broncos, their depth chart, their entire

1676
01:10:42,000 --> 01:10:45,000
Speaker 2: roster is miles better than the Bills, like the total

1677
01:10:45,439 --> 01:10:48,120
Speaker 2: team with that agreement. Yeah, and that's why I put

1678
01:10:48,160 --> 01:10:52,120
Speaker 2: them number one. But could Josh Allen and this offense,

1679
01:10:52,280 --> 01:10:55,080
Speaker 2: if it is better this year and more explosive and

1680
01:10:55,160 --> 01:10:58,599
Speaker 2: Dj Moore can be what they had previously with Stefan

1681
01:10:58,720 --> 01:11:02,599
Speaker 2: Diggs could show out this year and the defense come

1682
01:11:02,600 --> 01:11:04,800
Speaker 2: together absolutely like they could be number one when it's

1683
01:11:04,840 --> 01:11:06,400
Speaker 2: all said and done. But I can't put them above

1684
01:11:06,479 --> 01:11:08,400
Speaker 2: the Broncos their whole roster.

1685
01:11:08,880 --> 01:11:11,280
Speaker 1: Well, this is only half the story, because we still

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