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Speaker 3: Welcome to another edition of the Action Network Podcast. This

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Speaker 3: is Chris Raybond from the Action Network with my guy

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Speaker 3: Sean Corner and a special guest today from Fantasy Pros.

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Speaker 1: Is the lead NFL writer and analyst and a very

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Speaker 1: cool guy.

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Speaker 3: I've gotten to meet a few times now, mister Mike

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Speaker 3: Tagli or Mike, how you doing.

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Speaker 2: It's gonna be on the show with you, Chris.

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Speaker 4: It seems like it's been way too long since we

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Speaker 4: have a talked in person or on a podcast, so

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Speaker 4: I was definitely looking forward to the show today.

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Speaker 2: I love both of you guys, and I just in

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Speaker 2: general just love talking football, yes.

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Speaker 3: Sir, And just for you guys out there, what we'll

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Speaker 3: be doing today Sean, Mike and I is we'll be

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Speaker 3: talking wide receivers outside the top twelve. You kind of

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Speaker 3: know those guys, Sean and Matt and the guys hit

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Speaker 3: on it last week. So we're gonna get into guys

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Speaker 3: outside the top twelve, give you our top picks and

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Speaker 3: our top fade for the tier two guys, the wide

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Speaker 3: receiver twos as well as the Tier three guys.

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Speaker 1: And then we're gonna give you some deep sleepers.

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Speaker 3: So keep listening all the way to the end. Sean,

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Speaker 3: before we get into it, how you doing, my man?

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Speaker 1: I missed you.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, welcome back, Raybon.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean we missed you for about a week

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Speaker 6: and a half now, so I missed out on another

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Speaker 6: epic AJ Green versus Keenan Allen debate, a debate between

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Speaker 6: you and Freeman.

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Speaker 5: So welcome back though. Thanks.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I was in Europe for about a week and

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Speaker 1: a half.

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Speaker 5: It was glorious.

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Speaker 3: People go to Italy. Do yourself a favor, and let's

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Speaker 3: get into it. If do you guys favors out there? Mike,

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Speaker 3: I'm going to start with you and I just want

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Speaker 3: to get your overall approach to the wide receiver position

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Speaker 3: in fantasy. You know, how are you projecting guys? Are

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Speaker 3: you drafting the position early? Are you kind of waiting

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Speaker 3: and just your overall.

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Speaker 1: Thoughts on how you approach the wide receiver position.

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Speaker 4: I've never been one of those guys that I'm like

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Speaker 4: the team no strategy strategy where I never walk into

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Speaker 4: do and this is what I'm doing. I'll take value

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Speaker 4: as it's presented to me, So I won't avoid wide

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Speaker 4: that it's overly important where I just think there's value

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Speaker 4: in every position. But when it comes to projecting, you know,

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Speaker 4: target share and things like that, you have to look

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Speaker 4: you know people like to factor that in and that's fine,

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Speaker 4: but you also have to look at the quarterbacks history,

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Speaker 4: because there's clearly quarterbacks that tend to favor certain positions

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Speaker 4: more because they know it's it's typically a bigger wide

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Speaker 4: That's what I use to project targets and shares and

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Speaker 4: But in the end, it's like, you know, you study

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, Sean, I'm gonna kick it to you in a second,

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Speaker 3: But Mike, I just wanted to get your thoughts really

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Speaker 3: How do you kind of factor that in?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, actually, it's funny you mentioned this.

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna actually I did an article on Monday that

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Speaker 4: article up on wide receivers in regards to who scored

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Speaker 4: more than points than they were expected to. Because every

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Speaker 2: You know, a target inside the twenty is this, inside

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Speaker 4: They all have an expected fantasy points for the average

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Speaker 4: what players scored more than average? Whip players were actually

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Speaker 4: quarterbacks right now, and I could say Patrick Mahomes. According

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Speaker 4: typically end in the four to six maybe seven touchdown range.

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Speaker 4: So even if you regress him back to an elite

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Speaker 4: So it's basically trying to figure out what is that

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Speaker 4: lot of factors that go into that stuff, but regression

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Speaker 4: we're playing a game that you want to bet on odds,

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Speaker 4: and the odds are is that you know a player

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Speaker 4: like Mike Williams and Patrick Mahomes, those guys are going

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Speaker 4: to regress this year when it comes to their touchdowns.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely. That's a great point.

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Speaker 3: I think, you know, you really have to look at

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Speaker 3: the sample size too, because now you know that first

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Speaker 1: Now we've you know, yes, he only got sixty targets

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Speaker 3: really have to look at it with wide receiver Sean,

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Speaker 3: you know, just any quick thoughts on your overall approach,

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Speaker 3: maybe just more your approach for the guys I guess

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Speaker 6: From last week's pod, I mentioned my my approach at

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Speaker 6: wide receiver this year is to go pretty heavy early on,

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Speaker 6: going beyond my median projections that I make. I just

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Speaker 6: I'm more confident in my ability to be able to

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Speaker 6: stash high upside running backs, you know, potential waiver.

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Speaker 5: Wire gems get value late. And you know, at the

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Speaker 6: know I can get value there late. But white receiver

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Speaker 6: you can't really get you know, a top twelve white

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Speaker 6: typically like to spend you know, high draft capital to

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Speaker 6: top like eight or nine wide receivers. So I've been

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Speaker 6: kind of avoiding this, this wide receiver two tier. This

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Speaker 6: is usually when I'm loading up at running back or

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Speaker 6: tight end. So yeah, I like all these guys that

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Speaker 6: we're going to talk about, But just my draft strategy

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Speaker 6: has has been, you know, loading up on wide receiver

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Speaker 3: Mike, all of us we do a ton of drafts,

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Speaker 3: whether it's best ball, you know, industry expert draft.

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Speaker 1: We got a tan mock draft going on right now.

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Speaker 3: All these different things. Who's one guy at wide receiver

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Speaker 3: that you just have you just own a lot of,

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I put up a profile on him this morning. And

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Speaker 4: AJ Green is severely underrated in terms of what he

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Speaker 4: brings to the table. And you know, everybody's like the

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Speaker 4: age thirty threshold and this and that and and it's

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Speaker 4: kind of like it's overblown in terms of like when

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Speaker 4: a wide receiver turns thirty, does he lose upside? No,

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Speaker 4: the age is thirty two is according to my research,

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Speaker 4: what I found out is that it's thirty two when

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Speaker 4: a player loses elite upside. And AJ Green has been

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Speaker 4: he has never been really the elite like Calvin Johnson

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Speaker 4: win you a fantasy league based on what he does.

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Speaker 2: You know from week to week. He's not that guy.

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Speaker 4: He's a very consistent player in terms of like wide

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Speaker 4: receiver two, wide receiver three production with wide receiver one spikes.

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Speaker 4: That's what you're looking for, you know, like you're looking

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Speaker 4: for a guy with a floor like and getting him

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Speaker 4: in the third round sometimes fourth round and Best Ball

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Speaker 4: Leagues is just it's kind of nuts. Right now, there's

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Speaker 4: only four. So over the past twenty years, I've gone

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Speaker 4: back and looked at, you know, wide receiver two or

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Speaker 4: better hit rates, and when it comes down, there's only

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Speaker 4: four wide receivers who have posted better wide receiver two

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Speaker 4: or better numbers then AJ Green, and they're all four

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Speaker 4: being drafted inside the top fifteen picks of fantasy drafts

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Speaker 4: this year. AJ Green I own thirty six percent in

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Speaker 4: Best Ball Leagues, and I know that's like overexposed to

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Speaker 4: a player, but I'm okay with it when it comes

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Speaker 4: to AJ Green because when he's on the field, the

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Speaker 4: dude's just money.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely.

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Speaker 3: AJ Green every year of his career average at least

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Speaker 3: four point three catches per game and has been at

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Speaker 3: least sixty seven yards per game.

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Speaker 6: Sean, what about you, I'm pretty spread out, especially near

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Speaker 3: How do you see because a lot of people are

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Speaker 6: Yeah, so, I mean in our tan mock draft that

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think Juju Smith Schuster is better in that

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Speaker 1: So I like that strategy. For me, it's Christian Kirk.

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Speaker 1: So I mean, you know, I'm high on Kyler Murray.

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Speaker 3: But any way you slice it, I think the Cardinal's

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Speaker 3: Who's the guy that you've been fading that has an

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's Tyler Lockett For me, I understand the reasons

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Speaker 4: did you guys know, Tyler Lockett had one game with

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Speaker 4: don't view him as a target hog. Obviously, they don't

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Speaker 4: which is why. I believe there's fantasy relevance for both

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Speaker 4: you know that article I mentioned that'll be up tomorrow morning.

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Speaker 4: Lockett scored eighty four more points than the average player

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Speaker 4: Tyreek Hill breaks efficiency, that's what he does. So he's

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Speaker 2: We know who Tyler Lockett is.

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Speaker 4: no way that I'm gonna draft him, you know, above

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Speaker 2: To own any of them.

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Speaker 1: I am not that down on Tyler Locket. I'm actually

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Speaker 3: I think that A real big reason is kind of

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Speaker 3: Because I think we always forget how good Russell Wilson is,

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Speaker 3: Because you know Mike came pretty heavy with that Tyler Lockett.

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Speaker 6: I get it though, and you know his efficiency will

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Speaker 5: But you know, he's a guy that.

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Speaker 6: He misses a ton of time. You know, looking back,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I can definitely understand it.

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Speaker 3: He's a guy it's extremely tough to project because I

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Speaker 3: I really like Gaudy as a player. I thought last

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Speaker 1: But this year it's just you have the Lions. You

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Speaker 3: You have Marvin Jones coming back. You have Danny Amado

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Speaker 1: You still have CJ. Anderson gonna get some snap.

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Speaker 1: So that's where I am on that.

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Speaker 3: Let's get into this tier two of wide receivers and

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Speaker 4: I think it's possible. It's a rare scenario where that happens.

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Speaker 2: But that wide receiver, you know, the top twenty four.

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Speaker 2: But I do think that it helps.

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Speaker 4: I'm sure Sean would agree in this that, you know,

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Speaker 4: I mean, I just don't see the tight ends all

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Speaker 5: It was weeks four and nine.

438
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Speaker 6: All three went off, So in the long run, they're

439
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Speaker 6: all very likely, you know, to finish inside the top

440
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Speaker 6: twenty four, but you're gonna have weeks where they trade off.

441
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Speaker 6: I think a smart strategy in season long re draft

442
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Speaker 6: leagues would be the draft two of them. It kind

443
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Speaker 6: of helps boost your team's floor. Specifically, pairing a guy

444
00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:05,440
Speaker 6: like Cook's with either Cup or Woods. Cooks is, you know,

445
00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:08,560
Speaker 6: the biggest boom bust type of receiver out of the three,

446
00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:10,960
Speaker 6: so if you if you pair him with Cupper Woods,

447
00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:13,280
Speaker 6: it's it's gonna naturally boost your team's floor. And I

448
00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:16,480
Speaker 6: keep emphasizing it, but I see so many people treat

449
00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:20,080
Speaker 6: receive redraft leagues almost like best ball or DFS tournaments,

450
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Speaker 6: where you know you don't have to beat all eleven

451
00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:24,960
Speaker 6: teams every week. You just need to beat your opponent.

452
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Speaker 6: So one of the most valuable things you could do

453
00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:30,320
Speaker 6: is just raise your team's floor. So there's times where

454
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Speaker 6: you're looking for upside and things like that, but having

455
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Speaker 6: a strategy where you know you pair Cooks with these

456
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Speaker 6: other two guys is a really sneaky way to raise

457
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Speaker 6: your teams floor and it'll translate more wins long term

458
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Speaker 6: and season long leagues.

459
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I like that call on Brandon Cooks a lot

460
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Speaker 3: Cooper Cup. He just does so much for that offense.

461
00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:52,400
Speaker 3: I mean Jared Goss yards per attempt sores with Cup

462
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Speaker 3: in the lineup, And if you even look at Brandon.

463
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Speaker 1: Cook's numbers with Cup in the lineup last season.

464
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Speaker 3: He averaged eight point four targets, six point three catches,

465
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Speaker 3: one hundred and three yards steving with Cup in the lineup.

466
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Speaker 3: In seven games with Cup out, seven point one targets,

467
00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:15,760
Speaker 3: four and a half reception, so one point eight fewer

468
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Speaker 3: receptions and only sixty one yards receiven.

469
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Speaker 1: So forty two less yards.

470
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Speaker 3: Cup just gives the defense another guy to kind of

471
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Speaker 3: pay attention to you over that middle, So you can't

472
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Speaker 3: really devote as much attention to a guy like Brandon Cooks,

473
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Speaker 3: and he's going to get more single coverage and he's

474
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Speaker 3: going to kind of find more space in those zones.

475
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Speaker 1: So I think that's a really good call. And I

476
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Speaker 1: also like just in general, the.

477
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Speaker 3: I think if these three guys are healthy all year

478
00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:45,280
Speaker 3: and you add Henderson, girl is still going to be there.

479
00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:47,720
Speaker 3: I mean, he's not going to disappear. Mike, you mentioned

480
00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:50,240
Speaker 3: the two tight ends. I mean, who is Jared Goff

481
00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:52,920
Speaker 3: not throwing to? I mean, who is God throwing to

482
00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:55,840
Speaker 3: that you know cannot is not just a baller, right

483
00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:58,760
Speaker 3: Like I love I love just taking golf late as

484
00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:01,200
Speaker 3: a quarterback and getting all of that upside and not

485
00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:03,920
Speaker 3: even having to kind of figure out from week to

486
00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:06,719
Speaker 3: week you know who's gonna go off because I think

487
00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:11,200
Speaker 3: Jared Goff with this supporting cast, has MVP potential. So

488
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Speaker 3: I think these guys can all three finish in the

489
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Speaker 3: top twenty four. I'm a little more bearish on Cup.

490
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Speaker 3: I have him a little lower just because he's coming

491
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Speaker 3: off the injury, and I think I think Cooks really

492
00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:22,920
Speaker 3: came on down the stretch and he'll probably maintain and

493
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Speaker 3: get and benefits from from Cup.

494
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Speaker 1: But yeah, I think this this offense has a really

495
00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:30,000
Speaker 1: high ceiling.

496
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Speaker 3: So Jared Goff is another guy that I would just

497
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Speaker 3: look at at the quarterback position. Let's uh, let's talk

498
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Speaker 3: about Okay, So you know we talked about you know

499
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Speaker 3: AJ Green already. Who are a couple of guys Mike

500
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Speaker 3: that in this wide receiver two tier particularly that you

501
00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:51,560
Speaker 3: just want to have.

502
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Speaker 1: As your wide receiver too.

503
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you already mentioned Aj so I guess a couple

504
00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:58,040
Speaker 3: of other guys besides a j Yeah.

505
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Speaker 4: I mean, ideally you're looking for guys that when you

506
00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:02,400
Speaker 4: draft a player in the wide receiver two tier, you're

507
00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:03,879
Speaker 4: ideally looking for someone that's going to give you that

508
00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:06,359
Speaker 4: consistent wide receiver two production with wide receiver one upside

509
00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:08,400
Speaker 4: you don't want to. I like Sewan's point on Julian

510
00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:10,560
Speaker 4: Edelman because I'm so torn on him because I feel

511
00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:12,119
Speaker 4: like he really is someone that if you're in a

512
00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:15,240
Speaker 4: PPR format, that you should want a draft because when

513
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Speaker 4: he's in the lineup, he's just gold. It's like he's

514
00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:18,920
Speaker 4: going to deliver those high end wide receiver two numbers.

515
00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:21,479
Speaker 4: You really don't have any worry about him busting from

516
00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:23,359
Speaker 4: week to week. But the injuries have piled up and

517
00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:26,320
Speaker 4: his price doesn't reflect the lack of upside because he's

518
00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:28,280
Speaker 4: not going to finish the top twelve Fantasy wide receiver.

519
00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:30,080
Speaker 4: That's just not going to happen. At thirty three years old,

520
00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:33,119
Speaker 4: it doesn't happen. So I like Seawn's point on him,

521
00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:35,119
Speaker 4: But I mean, Tyreek Hill in this range, that's not

522
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Speaker 4: going to stay like that for long. So I mean,

523
00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:39,879
Speaker 4: if he obviously was there, I'd take him. But Sefan

524
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Speaker 4: Diggs is someone that I really do like we've seen

525
00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:44,120
Speaker 4: an arc in his career where we've seen him rise

526
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Speaker 4: and you know, knowing that Kirk Cousins, it was his

527
00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:47,680
Speaker 4: first year with the Vikings last year and it was

528
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Speaker 4: like he was growing into that team.

529
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Speaker 5: Now.

530
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Speaker 4: They threw the ball a whole lot in the beginning

531
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Speaker 4: of the year and then they slowly tuned it back

532
00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:56,680
Speaker 4: when they changed offensive coordinators, but Sefan Diggs didn't stop producing.

533
00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:59,040
Speaker 4: Adam Deelan was the one who actually hurt when they

534
00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:01,360
Speaker 4: started losing volumes. So to me, it feels like Kirk

535
00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:03,479
Speaker 4: Cousins leans on Stefan Diggs and he likes him as

536
00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:05,440
Speaker 4: a wide receiver and he showed that he could produce

537
00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:07,760
Speaker 4: at a wide receiver one level last year and again

538
00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:10,159
Speaker 4: we've seen natural progression in his career. You know, they

539
00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:12,080
Speaker 4: built up the offensive line a little bit there. I

540
00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:14,760
Speaker 4: know Dalvin Cook people are expecting big things, but Stefan

541
00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:15,920
Speaker 4: Diggs is a player that you can get in the

542
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Speaker 4: wide receiver two tier that has wide receiver one upside.

543
00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:21,159
Speaker 4: And as Sean mentioned, Brandon Cooks we talked about him,

544
00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:24,160
Speaker 4: he's continually underrated He's a guy that has wide receiver

545
00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:27,119
Speaker 4: one upside every single week. And as we've talked about,

546
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Speaker 4: I love your take too, Chris, and the fact that

547
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Speaker 4: Jared Goff is. I took Jared Goff in the Pros

548
00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:34,520
Speaker 4: Versus Joe draft the other night, and someone criticized me

549
00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:37,320
Speaker 4: for taking him over Mitch Trubisky. I like Trubisky, but

550
00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:39,960
Speaker 4: I'm like, wait a minute. We have the same coaching staff,

551
00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:41,960
Speaker 4: the same receivers. There's so much continuity here. I am

552
00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:44,080
Speaker 4: a little worried about the offensive line. They've lost a

553
00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:46,479
Speaker 4: couple of pieces, but I mean, I don't know how

554
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Speaker 4: you don't like Jared Goff is a top ten option.

555
00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:50,199
Speaker 4: You know, that's a top six scoring offense. They're going

556
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Speaker 4: to score a lot of points. So tying yourself to

557
00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:55,400
Speaker 4: Brandon Cooks is a potential wide receiver one, I'm all

558
00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:58,000
Speaker 4: over it. But basically, what you're shooting for, you're looking

559
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Speaker 4: for a team that's going to produce, you know, top

560
00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:01,680
Speaker 4: twelve points, like when you're looking for a guy that

561
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:05,200
Speaker 4: potentially has wide receiver one upside, which is why to me,

562
00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:08,719
Speaker 4: Kenny Galladay does not belong in this tier. I mean,

563
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:11,640
Speaker 4: Galladay is a fine player, I just hate the team.

564
00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:13,879
Speaker 2: I really do. I don't want any part of the Lions.

565
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Speaker 4: I think that the stat I came across with was

566
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Speaker 4: all top sixteen wide receivers in Fantasy last year were

567
00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:22,919
Speaker 4: part of top eighteen scoring offenses. I cannot convince myself

568
00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:24,440
Speaker 4: that the Lions are going to be a top eighteen

569
00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:26,080
Speaker 4: team this year when it comes to points per game.

570
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Speaker 4: So Galladay's really I just I'm lacking to find the upside.

571
00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:31,160
Speaker 4: And Marvin Jones hasn't gone away.

572
00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:33,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think Galladay and he's not.

573
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Speaker 3: It's not like Gallady's a quick twitch guy to where

574
00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:38,280
Speaker 3: he could just, you know, every game ten targets like

575
00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:40,159
Speaker 3: like Antonio Brown or even a Diggs could do.

576
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Speaker 1: So I'm with you there, Sean.

577
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Speaker 3: How about you who are a couple guys that you

578
00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:48,879
Speaker 3: are just targeting as your wide receiver too. I know

579
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Speaker 3: you're kind of avoiding the tier in general a little bit,

580
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:53,760
Speaker 3: but if if he did have to pick, have to.

581
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Speaker 1: Pick from it, we are you targeting?

582
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Speaker 6: Well, I'm going against the grant a little bit here

583
00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:02,560
Speaker 6: because Kenny Golladay is a guy getting later in drafts now.

584
00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:06,119
Speaker 6: Mind you, I'm usually taking two studs early on, so

585
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:08,800
Speaker 6: he's typically my wide receiver three. When I take him,

586
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:10,879
Speaker 6: I think that's fair. I think all the points you

587
00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:13,440
Speaker 6: guys made are fair with him. You know, he ended

588
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:15,639
Speaker 6: as the wide receiver twenty last year, so as ADP

589
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:18,520
Speaker 6: of wide receiver nineteen, I think there's some value of

590
00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:21,760
Speaker 6: a year three breakout. He definitely has wide receiver one upsite.

591
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:25,000
Speaker 6: We all know that based on his talent, it makes sense.

592
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:27,080
Speaker 6: I know the Lions want to be more balanced, but

593
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Speaker 6: I do have him projected to be a below five

594
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:31,560
Speaker 6: hundred team, So I don't think they're gonna get away

595
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Speaker 6: with that and bevill You know, he had a p

596
00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:36,960
Speaker 6: in his prime in Minnesota and then beast Mow and

597
00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:38,800
Speaker 6: his prime in Seattle, So I mean, how the hell

598
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:41,639
Speaker 6: else would you run those offenses. They want to be

599
00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:43,760
Speaker 6: a balanced team all that, but I don't buy. I

600
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:46,160
Speaker 6: think they're gonna have to throw, and you know, Galladay

601
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:48,359
Speaker 6: could be that guy. I'm not worried about Amman Dola

602
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:51,439
Speaker 6: or even TJ. Howkinson, So with Galladay, you know, all

603
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:53,520
Speaker 6: those things aside, I can't we can't just get a

604
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 6: bunch of guys on the Chiefs and Colts, So we're

605
00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:58,320
Speaker 6: gonna have to pick guys from a system we don't

606
00:25:58,320 --> 00:25:58,680
Speaker 6: really like.

607
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Speaker 5: So so with him, it's more just beding out of

608
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:01,399
Speaker 5: talent if anything.

609
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he's going to be a polarizing player.

610
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 1: And you know, whoever, if you if you.

611
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:07,600
Speaker 3: Have a lot of them, if he's probably going to

612
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:09,719
Speaker 3: it's either going to be a boom or bust With him,

613
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:11,240
Speaker 3: I think you're either gonna get a ton of value

614
00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:13,159
Speaker 3: from it or you're probably gonna be able to disappoint it.

615
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:15,640
Speaker 1: So it'll be interesting to see with him.

616
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:20,440
Speaker 3: Let's talk about some guys we are well, actually I'll.

617
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:22,240
Speaker 1: Talk really quickly about a couple of guys that I like.

618
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:23,560
Speaker 1: I think you already hit on.

619
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Speaker 3: I think aj Green falling, you know, out of the

620
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:29,440
Speaker 3: top twelve is just money in the bank. And I

621
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:33,960
Speaker 3: like the I like the year two if breakout potential

622
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Speaker 3: of a guy like Calvin Ridley on the Falcons. I

623
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Speaker 3: know that he's behind Julio Jones, but you know, even

624
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:44,439
Speaker 3: behind Julio Jones, I mean, you put up impressive numbers

625
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:46,880
Speaker 3: in year one, showed that he could score the football.

626
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:49,399
Speaker 3: I think, you know, being in being another year with

627
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Speaker 3: Matt Ryan, I know their their offensive coordinator is changing

628
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:54,919
Speaker 3: to a dirt cutter, but you know, Matt Ryan has

629
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:57,439
Speaker 3: worked with him before. I just think there's a major

630
00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:00,639
Speaker 3: upside for that year two jump, which I've found nowadays

631
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 3: wide receivers are making bigger jumps in year two than

632
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 3: in year three. So I kind of tend to project

633
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 3: a little more aggressively guys jumping from year one to

634
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 3: year two and uh and in the year two to

635
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:13,920
Speaker 3: year three guys, I'm just kind of looking for the

636
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 3: values there. Like I think guy like Corey Davis might

637
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 3: be you know, we might have seen that the jump already.

638
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 3: I don't know if there's another one guys like that.

639
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 3: So I really like Calvin Ridley as well on the Falcons.

640
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:28,640
Speaker 3: I think I think he's going to have a great year,

641
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:31,359
Speaker 3: and I think Mohammed Sanu will probably take another step

642
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:34,240
Speaker 3: back in terms of that that pecking order. But let's

643
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:37,359
Speaker 3: get into some guys that we are fading. Mike, who

644
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:41,440
Speaker 3: are some guys that you know you're just completely you know,

645
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 3: you don't want any of in this year. I know

646
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 3: you already talked about Tyler Lockett and you expressed you're

647
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:48,200
Speaker 3: kind of torn on Edelman, So, uh, yeah, who else

648
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:48,720
Speaker 3: are you're fading?

649
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 1: I guess besides Lockett.

650
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, Galladay was the other one that I'm I'm absolutely

651
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:54,639
Speaker 4: fit of the fade uh as mentioned for those reasons

652
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:56,960
Speaker 4: because I feel like this next the next year we're

653
00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 4: going to talk about like that you can get in

654
00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 4: wide receiver three range. There's a player right now going

655
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:04,720
Speaker 4: twenty five spots like overall spots later, so you're talking

656
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 4: over two round difference between Galladay and al Seon Jeffrey.

657
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:11,120
Speaker 4: Al Seon Jeffrey has the same exact opportunity. He's dealt

658
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:14,080
Speaker 4: with injuries throughout his career, but I mean we're entering

659
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 4: a point now where he has a guy in J. J. R.

660
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 4: Sega Whiteside that they're winning in the wings, and Jeffrey

661
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:20,920
Speaker 4: is essentially playing for the remainder of his contracts. You know,

662
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:22,720
Speaker 4: he could be a free agent after this year. He

663
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:24,920
Speaker 4: knows that, he knows that it's potentially it's possible to

664
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:27,240
Speaker 4: they cut him after this year. So essentially he's treating

665
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:28,440
Speaker 4: it like that. I think he's going to be on

666
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,480
Speaker 4: the field and again, twenty five spots later than Galladay.

667
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:34,160
Speaker 4: I would argue that Jeffrey's quarterback is better. I would

668
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,119
Speaker 4: argue that his offense is better. I would say that

669
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:38,640
Speaker 4: he's the clear cut number one, whereas Marvin Jones when

670
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 4: he's been on the field with Galladay, it's been it's

671
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 4: been a one A one B situation. Can you guys

672
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 4: talk me out of that?

673
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:46,720
Speaker 1: Nah? I mean you know, I think I think Sean,

674
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:48,320
Speaker 1: I think you guys, I think you and Mike need

675
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 1: to kind of.

676
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:50,560
Speaker 3: Go back and forth and with Galla anything, maybe have

677
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 3: a legendary you know, aj Green, Keaton Allen, because I mean,

678
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 3: I don't know, what do you think?

679
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:55,960
Speaker 1: No?

680
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 6: No, I Like I said, all the point all the

681
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 6: negative points on Galladay are fair, and that's what I'm saying.

682
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:03,240
Speaker 6: Usually when I take him, it's my wide receiver three,

683
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 6: because I'm more willing to take on that risk as

684
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 6: wide receiver three. But if he's your wide receiver two,

685
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 6: that's a little bit rich for me. So it all

686
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,600
Speaker 6: all goes to your draft plan. What you know, what

687
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 6: your goals are. So yeah, I'm a bit tore on Galladay,

688
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 6: but like I said, last year in DFS, I was

689
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 6: super overweight on him. So he's my boy, so I'm

690
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:21,520
Speaker 6: gonna stick with him.

691
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 1: But se Sean has got the bias.

692
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 2: We also have to.

693
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 6: Factor and you know, Stafford was apparently playing last year

694
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 6: with the broken back, so I'm expecting him to bounce back.

695
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:33,959
Speaker 6: Maybe not the levels were used to, but last year

696
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:35,960
Speaker 6: is pretty brutal for him. So I think improved balay

697
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 6: from Stafford will help Galladay out tremendously any when you're fading.

698
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 1: Besides, I know you're you're off Edelman, right, Yeah.

699
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:45,720
Speaker 6: Well, like I mentioned, this tier doesn't really fit into

700
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 6: my draft strategy. But you know, another thing with Edelman,

701
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 6: I'm not big on, you know, projecting miss games necessarily.

702
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 6: We've talked about this, but he's already dealing with camp injury.

703
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 6: He injured his thumb susan miss three weeks, so it's

704
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 6: one of those things where he's already hurt. He took

705
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 6: the steroids to help come back from the ACL. He's

706
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 6: at the point where you know, he's got a risk.

707
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 6: You know, do I try to trade take pds and

708
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 6: get out of the radar or miss some games being hurt.

709
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 6: So just just with him, I just think there's too

710
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 6: many question marks and I really don't like to be

711
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 6: that guy that you know, projects a lot of miss

712
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 6: games just based on you know, my intuition. But he's

713
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:23,240
Speaker 6: the guy that from this tier I'm complieve hitting.

714
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you know, miss games is really tough

715
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 3: because I think for wide receivers usually.

716
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 1: You're going to get about one miss game of year.

717
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 3: I think when you have a larger body of work,

718
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 3: you kind of treat it like any other stat you know,

719
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 3: Now you have about a what is it ten to

720
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 3: nine ten year career, he's consistently missed time, and so

721
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 3: you kind of have to factor that in a little

722
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 3: bit more. But Mike, I am with you on a

723
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 3: guy like Alshon Jeffrey that you can get later on,

724
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 3: and I think in general you do kind of want

725
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 3: to think of of some of these opportunities to get

726
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 3: a very similar player later on, and that's how you

727
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 3: kind of build your draft strategy. So I do think

728
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:01,160
Speaker 3: you know some of those types like Alan Robinson is

729
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 3: another guy that I wouldn't mind having that I think

730
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 3: could easily outscore Kenny Gaday and in that same Alshon.

731
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 1: Jeffery, big big wide receiver mold. So I'm with you there.

732
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 3: The only guy that I'm really, I guess lower on

733
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 3: in this tier is Cooper Cup, and it has nothing

734
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:21,479
Speaker 3: to do with Cup himself. I just I think it's

735
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 3: a lot safer bet. You know, to Jared Goss, yards

736
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 3: per attempt is like eight point two. So I kind

737
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 3: of look at teams in their overall offense is when

738
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 3: I'm making my draft plan, and I just think, in

739
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 3: terms of investing in the Rams offense, I much rather

740
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 3: invest in a guy like Golf in like round nine,

741
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 3: ten to eleven. Then take Cup as a top twenty

742
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 3: four guy coming off the injury. I just feel like

743
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 3: that's a little with all the other targets there, And

744
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 3: that's the real thing. It's because you know, Cup does

745
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 3: a lot to open up the offense, but he does

746
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 3: a lot to open up the offense for other players

747
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 3: as well, and you know, coming off the injury, you know,

748
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 3: GoF might be a little more willing to kind of

749
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 3: go to a Cooks and Woods, who he established a

750
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 3: greater rapport with. You know, Reynolds is still there, and

751
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 3: of course Gurley Henderson may kind of complicate things a

752
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 3: little bit too, So he's a guy I feel has

753
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 3: a little bit of a lower.

754
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 1: Floor than some of these other guys.

755
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 3: And then of course already mentioned Kenny Galladay, who I

756
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:17,960
Speaker 3: think on a week two week basis I think the

757
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 3: floor is going to be well. I think the ceiling

758
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 3: is still there, but the floora will be low because

759
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:25,719
Speaker 3: this again probably going to be a run heavy offense

760
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 3: that plays a lot of two tight end sets. And

761
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 3: you have a guy in Marvin Jones, similar type of

762
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 3: player could easily have just as many targets as Gallade

763
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 3: in a given week. Let's go to this wide receiver

764
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:39,960
Speaker 3: three tier.

765
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 1: Now.

766
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 3: Now you have Sammy Watkins as the number twenty five,

767
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 3: Carolina's second year man, DJ Moore number twenty six, Tyra

768
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 3: Boyd just signed a big contract extension with the Bengals

769
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 3: number twenty seven, Jarvis Landry on the Browns number twenty eight,

770
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 3: already mentioned, Phillies al Sean Jeffery wide receiver twenty nine,

771
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 3: Allen Robbins in wide receiver thirty then Will Fuller of

772
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 3: the Texans, Robbie Anderson of the Jets, Christian Kirk of

773
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 3: the Cardinals, Dante Pettith year two with the forty nine ers,

774
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 3: Bern Shepherd, and Cory Davis. Let's start with you, Mike

775
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 3: and mentioned a lot of names kind of seem a

776
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 3: little more boom and bust than the last year. Obviously,

777
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 3: who are a couple of guys in this tier that

778
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 3: you are targeting more than the others.

779
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 4: There are a lot more boomer Bus guys in this category,

780
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 4: and I think a lot of guys that are questionables.

781
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 4: But at the same time, this is where like I

782
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 4: feel like if you snag you know, you go running

783
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 4: back heavy in the first two rounds, you get aj

784
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 4: Green as your wide receiver one I'm fine with that

785
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 4: in the third and then you wait till this tier

786
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 4: and you take Alshon Jeffrey and Alan Robinson. So there

787
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 4: were only fifteen wide receivers in the league last year

788
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 4: who saw one hundred and twenty plus targets.

789
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 2: Fifteen of them, Okay.

790
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 4: All but one finished as a top sixteen Fantasy wide receiver.

791
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 4: That one was Jarvis Landry, who was the least efficient

792
00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 4: wide receiver in all football. Like he was terrible last

793
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 4: year in terms of the fishing. And see, so getting

794
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 4: al Jon Jeffery and Allen Robinson this late and drafts

795
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 4: just feels like stealing.

796
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 2: I understand they're not sexy picks, Like people are thinking

797
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 2: it's sexy.

798
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 4: To draft Chris Godwin or Calvin Ridley expecting that breakout,

799
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:13,759
Speaker 4: And it's not to say it's not possible, but those

800
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:15,879
Speaker 4: guys are clearly the number two options on their team.

801
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 4: You can go down to Alan Robinson and now Shon Jeffrey,

802
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:20,359
Speaker 4: who are the clear cut number one receivers on their team,

803
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:22,799
Speaker 4: capable of that one hundred and twenty maybe one hundred

804
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 4: and forty targets for those guys, And you know, playing

805
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 4: high scoring offenses, you know, you can't hate Doug Peterson's

806
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:29,959
Speaker 4: offense for wide receivers. You can't hate Matt Maggie's offense

807
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 4: for scoring points. So I just feel like there's so

808
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 4: much to like about these guys in this tier that honestly,

809
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:36,400
Speaker 4: the other guys just aren't even close for me.

810
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 3: Now, that's an interesting point. I want to get your

811
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:40,759
Speaker 3: thoughts on this that before I kick at e Sean.

812
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 3: But Mike, you kind of mentioned that Alshon Jeffrey the

813
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 3: number one wide receiver on his team but still the

814
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:48,359
Speaker 3: number two target on his team behind zach Ertz.

815
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 1: Is that factor in as all at all?

816
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:53,800
Speaker 3: Like if a guy is if a wide receiver is

817
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 3: the number one receiver on his team but the number

818
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 3: two targets steal, do you value that more than a

819
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:01,279
Speaker 3: guy who's just you know, the number two target behind

820
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:03,400
Speaker 3: another wide receiver, Yes and no.

821
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,839
Speaker 4: So the correlation with targets when it comes to tight ends,

822
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 4: a lot of times it impacts running backs. The fact,

823
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 4: like the stat that I found that, I was like,

824
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 4: it blows my mind every time I say it. But

825
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:15,400
Speaker 4: over the last three years, there has not been a

826
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:18,279
Speaker 4: tight end running back duo on any team, like a

827
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:20,719
Speaker 4: single running back, single tight end who have topped one

828
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 4: hundred and ninety six targets.

829
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 2: That is ridiculous to me.

830
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 4: So when you tell if you tell me that all

831
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:27,880
Speaker 4: of a sudden, Sprolls is back on the team, or

832
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 4: you know, Miles that Sanders works his way into the

833
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 4: starting lineup. I mean, if Sanders sees you know, fifty

834
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:33,839
Speaker 4: targets all of a sudden, we're looking at a max

835
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:35,839
Speaker 4: target share of zach Ertz, It's going to come down.

836
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 4: Ertz is going to come down to earth like we

837
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:39,880
Speaker 4: saw that as the year went on last year. You know,

838
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 4: Dallas Goddard has a natural progression. He earned more snaps.

839
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 4: Going forward, Deshaun Jackson's going to change that offense a

840
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,279
Speaker 4: little bit stretch the field, which means Alshon Jeffery is

841
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 4: going to get more one on one matchups Ertz and Kittle.

842
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:51,440
Speaker 4: For me a little bit, I'm fading those guys a

843
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 4: little bit. I feel like they're overhyped. Wharres Kelsey he's

844
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:56,319
Speaker 4: the guy like he's a guy that I don't see

845
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:58,840
Speaker 4: any target regression at all. That defense is terrible in

846
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 4: Kansas City. When you look at the other guys, I

847
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:04,399
Speaker 4: can see target regression for both of them. So yeah,

848
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 4: it does dectorate a little bit because obviously that's a

849
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:09,279
Speaker 4: massive target share that ERTs is stealing. But I do

850
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 4: think it comes down this year.

851
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:13,920
Speaker 3: That's interesting you mentioned that because there's also the factor

852
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 3: that alshon Jeffery. In these last two years with the

853
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 3: Philadelphia Eagles played a lot of games with Nick Foles,

854
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 3: or a few games with Nick Foles, not every game

855
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:26,320
Speaker 3: was with Carson Wentz. So Wentz targeting Jeffrey in the

856
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:30,239
Speaker 3: regular season seven point eight times per game over the

857
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:32,800
Speaker 3: twenty three games they played together, and then in the

858
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 3: other six that Jeffrey played, he was only getting five

859
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:36,799
Speaker 3: point three targets per game.

860
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:38,760
Speaker 1: Now he was actually averaging more yards.

861
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 3: In the sixth Wentz didn't play sixty yards, it's a

862
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:46,239
Speaker 3: fifty five, but it's clear that Wentz, I think a

863
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 3: little bit more so than fos perhaps does like to

864
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:53,840
Speaker 3: look to Alshon Jeffrey. Now, the rookie jj R Siega

865
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 3: Whiteside could complicate that a little. To Sean Jackson's presence

866
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:58,719
Speaker 3: could complicate that a little because I think, you know,

867
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:01,320
Speaker 3: he's he's obviously an up great from a guy like

868
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:03,320
Speaker 3: Mike Wow So Tory Smith or somebody like that.

869
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 1: Well Wolston even get to play.

870
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 3: But it's interesting with Jeffrey because I think he's probably

871
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 3: a guy that's going to slip. He's not sexy, and

872
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:15,360
Speaker 3: he probably will outperform his average draft position at the

873
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:19,279
Speaker 3: end of the day. Sean, I will pick it to you, now,

874
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:22,359
Speaker 3: who are some guys in this wide receiver three tier

875
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 3: that you are looking to target?

876
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 6: Yeah, so, first off, I love the Jeffrey and Robinson calls.

877
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:30,720
Speaker 6: I think they probably have the best ceiling floor combo

878
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:33,879
Speaker 6: in this tier. Like I mentioned earlier, I'm pretty much

879
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:36,319
Speaker 6: done drafting wide receiver by the time we get here,

880
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 6: so this is more of my potential flex or just

881
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:41,280
Speaker 6: the first wide receiver on my bench, so I typically

882
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:44,360
Speaker 6: go for higher upside here. The two guys I'm targeting

883
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 6: are a little bit later in this tier, that's Dante

884
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:49,840
Speaker 6: Pettis and Robbie Anderson. You know, with Pettis, he flashed

885
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 6: his potential last year his rookie season, but he wasn't

886
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 6: really a full time player until like week twelve. It

887
00:37:56,239 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 6: was week twelve through fifteen he played fifty snaps. Again,

888
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:02,759
Speaker 6: he was the number three wide receiver overall, and that

889
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:04,560
Speaker 6: was with Nick Mullins at QB. So I think with

890
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:07,440
Speaker 6: Jimmy g that should be upgrade. I know he'll have

891
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:10,440
Speaker 6: some competition with Kittle again and Deebo Samuel good Win

892
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 6: when he comes back, but you know, I just think

893
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:16,359
Speaker 6: he has that potential as my wide receiver stash where

894
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 6: I really like to target later in the drafts.

895
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 5: And then my boy.

896
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 6: The past couple of years, and we've talked about Lankfort,

897
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 6: he's benefited from that depth chart just being awful behind him,

898
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:29,279
Speaker 6: So you know, just they've had no one else to

899
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 6: throw to. So this year, you know, when they bring

900
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:34,279
Speaker 6: in Crowder and Noon while I was going to be

901
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 6: healthy again, they even bring in love Bell, great pass

902
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 6: catching back, and you know, Herndon when he comes back

903
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 6: from his four game suspension, is going to dominate some

904
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:43,800
Speaker 6: targets too. All those guys are going to dominate the

905
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 6: short underneath targets, and Robbie Anderson is going to be

906
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 6: the only guy you know, going deep, So I think

907
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 6: he'll still have that role. He's not a guy that's

908
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 6: going to need a ton of targets anyway to hit value.

909
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:55,760
Speaker 6: So you know, that guy with that kind of upside

910
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 6: his skill set, I think he still makes sense to target,

911
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:00,360
Speaker 6: you know, especially if he's going out side of the

912
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:03,319
Speaker 6: top thirty. So he's been a guy I'm getting quite

913
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:05,280
Speaker 6: a bit of later on just as my bench stash,

914
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 6: because he has.

915
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 5: He has one of the highest upsides from this tier.

916
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, Anderson, he's a polarizing guy.

917
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:11,400
Speaker 5: For me.

918
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 3: I think I'm a bit lower on him than most

919
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 3: of the industry. And then you, Sean, I just think

920
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 3: that if you're in a traditional redraft league, it's tough

921
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:21,799
Speaker 3: to predict him.

922
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 1: But you know, you kind of mentioned that he is

923
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:24,759
Speaker 1: going to be that guy that's going to get the

924
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 1: deep deep targets.

925
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:29,239
Speaker 3: But the floor in any given week, I think is

926
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:31,839
Speaker 3: UH is pretty low and it's going to be hard

927
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 3: to kind of sometimes figure out, Okay, well, when is

928
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 3: Robbie Anderson going to have his games. I think he's

929
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:39,759
Speaker 3: a much better best ball pick if if you're picking

930
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:42,840
Speaker 3: him as a wide receiver three, because even you know

931
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:46,719
Speaker 3: last season, you know, through through Week eleven he had

932
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 3: played in in in uh, you know, he had averaged

933
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 3: only five point three targets a game forty three point

934
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 3: three yards a game. Then you know, as he always does,

935
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:57,480
Speaker 3: he kind of he kind of comes on late when

936
00:39:57,520 --> 00:39:59,360
Speaker 3: everyone gets hurt, and then over the rest of the

937
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 3: season eight point five targets sixty eight yards a game.

938
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:04,759
Speaker 3: So you know, he's a guy that I think is

939
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 3: a little more boom or bus that I much rather

940
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:10,400
Speaker 3: have in a best ball format.

941
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:12,320
Speaker 1: Mike, gonna kick it back to you, who are some

942
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:13,799
Speaker 1: guys you're fading in this year?

943
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:16,759
Speaker 4: I'm really starting to question myself here. I don't like

944
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 4: disagree with Sean like ever. Sean's a good dude, and

945
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:21,239
Speaker 4: he's a smart dude, and I know that he puts

946
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 4: a lot of time into it. But I will own

947
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:27,239
Speaker 4: zero Robbie Anderson. Anderson, He's going inside the top thirty

948
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 4: receivers right now, and that's just that means is your

949
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 4: people are relying on him as an every week starter

950
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:34,319
Speaker 4: and That's an issue for me because I first off,

951
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 4: I don't trust Adam Gase. Literally, I trust my two

952
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:39,399
Speaker 4: and a half year old more than I trust Adam Gase.

953
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:42,279
Speaker 4: Like I think that speaks volumes because I don't trust

954
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:43,400
Speaker 4: my two and a half year old at all. But

955
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:45,400
Speaker 4: I mean, like, when you talk about the plays per

956
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:47,400
Speaker 4: game that he had in Miami, I understand that the

957
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 4: talent there may not have been great, but the defense

958
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:51,239
Speaker 4: on the defensive side of the ball, they've added some

959
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 4: players in free agency. They've been building that defense. Hopefully

960
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:55,759
Speaker 4: they're expecting it to take a step forward. I think

961
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 4: Gase is going to run sub sixty plays per game.

962
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:00,279
Speaker 4: Sam Darnold's still a young quarterback. I know he are

963
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:02,880
Speaker 4: excited about him, but let's be real. Sam Darnold was

964
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:04,920
Speaker 4: not like Rookie of the Year material last year. He

965
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:07,239
Speaker 4: wasn't like lights out. I know he stepped up towards

966
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:08,840
Speaker 4: the end of the year and that's what people are remembering,

967
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:11,280
Speaker 4: and that's fine. But I think they bring in Jamison

968
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 4: Crowder when we had Danny Amandola sign and then Albert

969
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 4: Wilson sign and we're like, what the hell is what

970
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 4: are they doing there? And it's like the slot roles

971
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 4: seems so important, and he's already talked about Jamison Crowder,

972
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:22,880
Speaker 4: you know, wrecking up over seventy receptions.

973
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:23,839
Speaker 2: That's gonna hurt.

974
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 4: Adam Gasee has also talked about, you know, extending Robby

975
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 4: Anderson's route tree. We need him to run more than

976
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 4: a couple of routes. Adam gase holds grudges like this

977
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 4: is a real thing, Like it's stupid that we have

978
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 4: to talk about stuff like that.

979
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:36,239
Speaker 2: But I kid you not.

980
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 4: Adam Gasee is one of the worst when it comes

981
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 4: to holding grudges, which is why I won't own Leveyon Bell,

982
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:43,320
Speaker 4: I won't own Robbie Anderson. I won't own anybody on

983
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 4: the Jets if I can help. But I believe it's

984
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:47,880
Speaker 4: gonna be a very inconsistent team, guys that you can't predict.

985
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 4: Even last year, Robbie Anderson, Mohammed Sanu had more wide

986
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 4: receiver to performances than Robby Anderson last year. And now

987
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 4: Leveon Bell and Jamison Crowder have been added to the mix.

988
00:41:57,680 --> 00:41:59,800
Speaker 4: Adam gase has been added to the mix. I understand

989
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:01,839
Speaker 4: the want to believe in Anderson because he flashes at

990
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:03,959
Speaker 4: times like he's a very efficient receiver. This is nothing

991
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 4: against Robbie Anderson the receiver, but more about the situation,

992
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 4: and it kills his value.

993
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:09,840
Speaker 3: To me. My thing with Anderson, if you're in a

994
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 3: redraft league, I probably pass on him, hope that he

995
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 3: has like a couple bad weeks to start the year,

996
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:17,919
Speaker 3: ends up on the waiver wire. When Quincy and Nunne

997
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 3: was out in Week seven, Jamison Crowder goes down with

998
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:22,800
Speaker 3: like a soft ting tissue injury for the year, and

999
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:25,360
Speaker 3: like we can and is put on ir Uh and

1000
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:27,439
Speaker 3: Le'Veon Bell misses an inevitable game.

1001
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:30,439
Speaker 1: All of a sudden, you're gonna you're gonna you're gonna

1002
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:30,839
Speaker 1: pick up.

1003
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:32,920
Speaker 3: A guy that's gonna get like ten targets and not

1004
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 3: only get the deep catches, but he's gonna get like

1005
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 3: six for one fix U and two touchdowns. So I mean,

1006
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 3: that's kind of my strategy with Anderson. I like him

1007
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 3: a lot more in basketball. Guy you know I'm targeting

1008
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 3: again in this range is Christian Kirk. I just think

1009
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 3: you know that he was up at a nineteen percent

1010
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:51,360
Speaker 3: target here last year. That's with Larry Frozgerald there. I

1011
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:54,239
Speaker 3: think the year to jump will be superb for him

1012
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 3: with U with Cliff Kingsbury in this offense, I think

1013
00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 3: he's tailor made for it. I think they're gonna run

1014
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 3: a lot more plays. I think the quarterback quality goes up.

1015
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:07,760
Speaker 3: And yes, guys, guys that I am looking to to fade,

1016
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 3: I think it's you know mentioned oh and another guy one.

1017
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 1: One thing. I think Will Fuller, I mean I don't care.

1018
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 3: I don't care if he gives me twelve games like

1019
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:20,439
Speaker 3: this is I rather get Will Fuller for twelve games

1020
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 3: and a lot of other guys for fifteen or sixteen

1021
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 3: because I mean with with Deshaun Watson in the lineup,

1022
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:29,279
Speaker 3: Will Fuller averaging a touchdown per game, seventy one yards

1023
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:31,319
Speaker 3: on six targets. I mean, if we talk about Tyler

1024
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 3: Lockett having to have supreme efficiency on about six targets

1025
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 3: per game, just wait a little longer and draft Will

1026
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:40,719
Speaker 3: Fuller and and you know you'll probably miss some more

1027
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:43,800
Speaker 3: games than the average wide receiver. But when he's on

1028
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 3: the field, he is money. I think Hopkins Fuller coute

1029
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 3: percent respective target shares. Uh, that's what Houston does. They

1030
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 3: don't really spread it around a while. They released their

1031
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:57,719
Speaker 3: their top tight end target, Ryan Griffin, who signed with

1032
00:43:57,760 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 3: the Jets.

1033
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 1: So I'm very bullish on as well.

1034
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 3: But yeah, fading Anderson for the reasons discussed and Corey Davis.

1035
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:09,800
Speaker 1: Not really a guy I'm too too excited about.

1036
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 3: You know, he was the wide receiver forty one and

1037
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 3: this is getting all of the targets, you know, twenty

1038
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:19,719
Speaker 3: five percent target share, air yard share even higher than that.

1039
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 1: Like he I think last year.

1040
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 3: Was Corey Davis' year to really explode, and he kind

1041
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 3: of was still a little bit underwhelming.

1042
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:26,799
Speaker 5: Now.

1043
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 3: I know their past volume is low in Tennessee, but

1044
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:31,799
Speaker 3: I think you know it, Arthur Smith taking over as

1045
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 3: the OC. He's talking about riding Derek Henry. He was

1046
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 3: there last year when Matt Belford did the same thing.

1047
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 3: I don't know if too much is going to change.

1048
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 3: Just not really bullish on Davis. I think last year,

1049
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 3: you know, the year two breakout, that's what it was.

1050
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 3: I think he's gonna kind of level off into this

1051
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:46,880
Speaker 3: into what he is.

1052
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:49,719
Speaker 1: But I am with you guys on al Sean and

1053
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:50,239
Speaker 1: a Rob.

1054
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 3: I think those guys both probably outperform their ADP. So

1055
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:58,439
Speaker 3: let's let's talk real quick about just deep lead guys,

1056
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:00,920
Speaker 3: just guys just almost letely off the radar that you

1057
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 3: can almost draft for free or at least just just

1058
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:07,239
Speaker 3: steal for a very high upside bench dash. So first

1059
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 3: we'll go with the high upside bench dash, Mike, who's

1060
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 3: the guy outside the top thirty six but inside the

1061
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:15,759
Speaker 3: top sixty, you know, so in that wide receiver four

1062
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:19,719
Speaker 3: or five range that you are just extremely bullish.

1063
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 1: On compared to the industry.

1064
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:22,440
Speaker 4: I think Anthony Miller is someone that I'm willing to

1065
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:25,799
Speaker 4: invest in outside that range because like his his draft cost,

1066
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 4: I mean, he's going as like the fifty third wide

1067
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 4: receiver off the board and in public leagues, whereas like

1068
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:33,359
Speaker 4: ECR like a lot of experts are higher on him

1069
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:35,480
Speaker 4: than that. And the reason is because you know, coming

1070
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 4: out of Memphis he had a broken foot, he couldn't

1071
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 4: participate in the combine. People didn't know too much about it,

1072
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 4: and then he played, he dislocated his shoulder. They said

1073
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 4: six different times during the season, like how hard it

1074
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 4: is to play through that. I actually got to see

1075
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 4: Anthony Miller in training camp and there's there's no Odell

1076
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 4: Beckham to that kid's game. And I know that's that's

1077
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 4: really high praise. But I'm telling you, the kid can

1078
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:56,479
Speaker 4: run routes, he can separate. He plays in the slot.

1079
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:58,520
Speaker 4: Matt and Naggie understands it, he knows how to use it,

1080
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 4: and they traded up for the kid. He did well

1081
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:03,440
Speaker 4: in the red zone. Trubisky started gravitating towards him when

1082
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 4: he got opportunity. He performed, And I happen to think

1083
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:08,239
Speaker 4: that Taylor Gabriel's ninety two targets from last year are

1084
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 4: going to start shifting towards Anthony Miller now that he's healthy.

1085
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 4: So Anthony Miller has break out potential written all over

1086
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 4: him in this offense. I think the Bears offense can

1087
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:18,759
Speaker 4: produce two top thirty wide receivers. Alan Robinson is still

1088
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:20,759
Speaker 4: the number one, but you know, Anthony Miller is someone

1089
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 4: that you can get like much later in drafts and

1090
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 4: you get plenty of upside with him.

1091
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, Matt Nagy wanted to use Taylor Gabriel like Tyreek Hill,

1092
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:33,440
Speaker 3: not realizing that Taylor Gabriel only scores touchdowns and gains

1093
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 3: yards on turf. So yeah, I think now he got

1094
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:41,239
Speaker 3: guys like Cordell Patterson Miller entering year two.

1095
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:42,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm totally with you.

1096
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 3: I think those targets will start to siphon too other

1097
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 3: guys from TG Sean, how about you some guy you're

1098
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 3: targeting as a wide receiver four or.

1099
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:53,719
Speaker 6: Five at this range? Like I mentioned, James Washington is

1100
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 6: my guy, and you know Robbie Anderson.

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00:46:55,800 --> 00:47:00,400
Speaker 5: You know, I round. But Mike, if people are drafting

1102
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:00,959
Speaker 5: him as.

1103
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:03,800
Speaker 1: Like a starting like the wide receiver three, that's crazy.

1104
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:04,360
Speaker 5: I get that.

1105
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:07,440
Speaker 6: But he's already my first bench guy. But you know,

1106
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:10,400
Speaker 6: James Washington is another guy. But super deep guys have

1107
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 6: two guys outside of the top eighty.

1108
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 5: That I like.

1109
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:16,320
Speaker 6: Is this, you know, a last round dart throw. The

1110
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 6: first one would be Paul Richardson. I think his ADP

1111
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 6: right now is like ninety or something. And you know,

1112
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:24,719
Speaker 6: the Redskins depth chart is awful, so he has a

1113
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 6: shot to be the leading receiver this year. So sign

1114
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 6: up for that late round. But in deep deep leagues,

1115
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:33,840
Speaker 6: I love stashing Josh Reynolds if you can afford the

1116
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:36,280
Speaker 6: bench space. But you know, we talked about the Rams

1117
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:41,279
Speaker 6: receiver situation earlier. If if either of Cook's Woods or

1118
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 6: Cup goes down, I mean he's he's gonna play eighty

1119
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 6: percent of the snaps, and we saw last year with

1120
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:49,800
Speaker 6: Cup out weeks eleven through seventeen. He's the wide receiver

1121
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 6: thirty two. So he's not a sexy pick. He's just

1122
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 6: a game three play of you know, if one of

1123
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:56,840
Speaker 6: these guys goes down, he's gonna insert himself in the

1124
00:47:56,880 --> 00:48:00,080
Speaker 6: lineup and put up, you know, borderline.

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00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 5: Wide receiver three numbers.

1126
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 6: So you really can't find that outside of the top

1127
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 6: eighty year typically gambling anyway, So he at least has

1128
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:09,360
Speaker 6: an easier path to kind of give you fancy value.

1129
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:11,719
Speaker 1: All right, and Mike just a deep weak guy. Then

1130
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:14,319
Speaker 1: I'll come with both of mine and we'll get out

1131
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:14,480
Speaker 1: of here.

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00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 4: You guys, remember how I said Tyler Lockett at the

1133
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:18,000
Speaker 4: beginning of the show. I said that there was just

1134
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:20,399
Speaker 4: one game all year he had more than six targets. Yeah,

1135
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:22,799
Speaker 4: David Moore didn't play until halfway through the season. David

1136
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:25,480
Speaker 4: Moore had two games with more than six targets. So

1137
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 4: David Moore was targeted like on a more frequent basis

1138
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:30,440
Speaker 4: than Tyler Lockett when they were both in the lineup.

1139
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:33,520
Speaker 4: So David Moore, he's like the ninetieth wide receiver off

1140
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:35,319
Speaker 4: the board or something like that. I have him ranked

1141
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:37,480
Speaker 4: up at number fifty six. I do think it's possible

1142
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 4: that dk metcalf earns his way into that lineup, and

1143
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:41,719
Speaker 4: you know, but he's considered a raw receiver. It's going

1144
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 4: to take some time. So David Moore, we've seen with

1145
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 4: Chris Carson. If Pete Carroll really does like someone, he'll.

1146
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 2: Stick with him.

1147
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:49,320
Speaker 4: And you know, David Moore, I don't think did anything

1148
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 4: last year to lose that role. So I mean, as

1149
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:53,800
Speaker 4: of right now, you're getting a starting wide receiver that

1150
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:57,080
Speaker 4: could potentially, if all things remain the same, that could

1151
00:48:57,120 --> 00:48:59,480
Speaker 4: potentially lead that wide receiver corp in targets. And that's

1152
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:01,400
Speaker 4: what I'm looking We're a late round pick someone that

1153
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 4: has that crazy upside with Russell Wilson that literally it

1154
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:06,360
Speaker 4: just seems like nobody realizes that.

1155
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:08,480
Speaker 2: All right, So I know, I think.

1156
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 3: Mike, you and I have been agreeing a little bit

1157
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:12,719
Speaker 3: more than Seawan and I in this particular show, or

1158
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:15,319
Speaker 3: then you and Sean, I mean, you guys just going

1159
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:17,520
Speaker 3: at each other, but I do have to disagree with

1160
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:19,279
Speaker 3: you on more. I think last year is the kind

1161
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:21,239
Speaker 3: of the year for the more value I loved him.

1162
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:23,680
Speaker 3: You know, he just flashed a ton of preseason they

1163
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:26,080
Speaker 3: didn't have much. You knew Baldwin was gonna kind of

1164
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 3: go down. But this year, I think it's complicated because

1165
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:31,279
Speaker 3: you have Metcalf as a guy who could replicate that role.

1166
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 3: And Jeron Brown is a player who they've been talking

1167
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:36,560
Speaker 3: up as a guy that's going to be in that

1168
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:38,879
Speaker 3: top three. And this is a team where I pay

1169
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:42,160
Speaker 3: attention to they talk up because Pete Carroll.

1170
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 1: He doesn't care like what you know, He's gonna play

1171
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:48,439
Speaker 1: the guy that he thinks should put I like more.

1172
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:50,640
Speaker 3: But I just think there's a danger that he drops

1173
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:53,600
Speaker 3: out of that top three at some point because of

1174
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:55,800
Speaker 3: the presence of Metcalf real.

1175
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:58,239
Speaker 4: Quick though, Chris, if we watch preseason and we see

1176
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:00,680
Speaker 4: clear cut he's the number two, like rud receiver sets

1177
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:03,040
Speaker 4: when Russell Wilson's in there in the preseason, where do

1178
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 4: you draft David Moore?

1179
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 1: I think you draft him as a top sixty guy. Yeah, absolutely.

1180
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:09,920
Speaker 3: Like you know with me, what I kind of do

1181
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:11,920
Speaker 3: for guys like this at this point of the offseason

1182
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:14,879
Speaker 3: is I'm splitting those targets a lot more evenly between Yeah,

1183
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:17,280
Speaker 3: and then I kind of as we get more information

1184
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:22,000
Speaker 3: as as puff Piece season ends and hearing what's really

1185
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:25,160
Speaker 3: going on in camp and really running with the then

1186
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:28,480
Speaker 3: I kind of update. So stay tuned for updated rankins

1187
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:30,600
Speaker 3: on actionnetwork dot Com. I know I was on vacation

1188
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:32,239
Speaker 3: for a little bit, but I'll be back to have

1189
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:34,839
Speaker 3: those updated daily. I'll be updating them all every hour

1190
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:38,680
Speaker 3: almost so go check that out. But yeah, my guys

1191
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:43,200
Speaker 3: are Antonio Cowaway as is a deep guy, because this

1192
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:45,440
Speaker 3: is a guy who it's like, it's like David Moore,

1193
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 3: except he's gonna he is gonna be on it. But

1194
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:50,760
Speaker 3: he's gonna be that guy, you know, that third receiver,

1195
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:53,600
Speaker 3: Like I think I think Rashard Higgins is gonna still

1196
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 3: be that fourth I think Cawaway entering year through that

1197
00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:58,800
Speaker 3: I'm a lot more bullish on him, like retaining and

1198
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:01,719
Speaker 3: holding on that job. And you're having a joke, who

1199
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:04,239
Speaker 3: you have Landry you can't give him first down. You

1200
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:06,719
Speaker 3: still have to protect the box because you have Chubb

1201
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:08,120
Speaker 3: and you're gonna have Hunt and of course you have

1202
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:09,719
Speaker 3: Odell who you're gonna have to devote to to in

1203
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:10,640
Speaker 3: almost every play.

1204
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:13,680
Speaker 1: Antonio cal is getting a single coverage.

1205
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:16,880
Speaker 3: All year long from a quarterback that I think has

1206
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:19,480
Speaker 3: the best chance outside of Mahomes to throw fifty scores

1207
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:22,359
Speaker 3: this year. So give me Calaway, who, by the way,

1208
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:25,800
Speaker 3: once Freddy Kitchens took over Mayfield ten yards per target

1209
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 3: to Callaway sixty six percent completions and this is a

1210
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:32,799
Speaker 3: guy fourteen point four a dot over that last half

1211
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:33,440
Speaker 3: of the season.

1212
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:35,160
Speaker 1: So really like the upside there.

1213
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:37,040
Speaker 3: And if anyone happens to go down, and Landry wasn't

1214
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:39,759
Speaker 3: even that efficient with Mayfield, like the one guy who wasn't,

1215
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:41,520
Speaker 3: So I think I think Beckham will help that.

1216
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:43,839
Speaker 1: But I think Calawai might do a little better than

1217
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:44,440
Speaker 1: we expect.

1218
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:46,600
Speaker 3: I don't think he'll be I think it'll be a lot,

1219
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:50,520
Speaker 3: a lot like a super super rich man's Chris Conwy Like.

1220
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:52,080
Speaker 3: I don't think he'll just be kind of in there

1221
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:54,359
Speaker 3: to run routes and disappear like. I think he'll actually

1222
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:56,879
Speaker 3: get the ball. And as far as just a couple guys,

1223
00:51:57,160 --> 00:51:58,960
Speaker 3: you know, wide receiver, four or five guys that I

1224
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:01,720
Speaker 3: think could be wide receive threes Kiki Qt in Houston,

1225
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:03,800
Speaker 3: I think again, I think that target chair is just

1226
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:06,799
Speaker 3: so concentrated that Qt is still gonna get around twenty

1227
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:09,640
Speaker 3: percent of the targets have that upside of Hopkins already

1228
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:10,800
Speaker 3: struggling with some injuries.

1229
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:14,320
Speaker 1: Fuller QT also guy who's been injury prone.

1230
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:16,600
Speaker 3: But the bottom line is Deshan Watson is the top

1231
00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:19,760
Speaker 3: five quarterback in this league and he's gonna be He's

1232
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:21,719
Speaker 3: not gonna be spreading the ball around past his top

1233
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:24,280
Speaker 3: three guys very much, So you have a lot of upside.

1234
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:26,560
Speaker 3: I think the floor is a lot higher than people think,

1235
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:29,919
Speaker 3: and miss games are really hard to predict. So KT

1236
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:31,799
Speaker 3: is a guy from me and Curtis Samuel as well.

1237
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:34,279
Speaker 3: I think he's kind of David DJ Moore arbitrage as

1238
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:36,960
Speaker 3: much as I like more. You know, Samuel is right

1239
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 3: behind him in targets and catches and all that stuff

1240
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:42,680
Speaker 3: over those last five six weeks of the season, So

1241
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:45,000
Speaker 3: I think you're getting some value there with Samuel going

1242
00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:48,600
Speaker 3: just outside of the top forty fellas.

1243
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:50,759
Speaker 1: This is a good show. I liked it.

1244
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:52,919
Speaker 3: I'm glad we had some kind of differing opinions because

1245
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:55,440
Speaker 3: wide receiver rat in my opinion, is the toughest position

1246
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:57,719
Speaker 3: to project. It's the one that is probably going to

1247
00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:00,280
Speaker 3: win you the most leagues. Because a Sean mentioned earlier.

1248
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:02,920
Speaker 3: You're gonna find some running backs somehow, the guys you

1249
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:06,440
Speaker 3: drafted are gonna go down, but wide receiver. How you

1250
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:09,400
Speaker 3: pick these guys in those early middle rounds and in

1251
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:11,600
Speaker 3: stash and some wait, guys, it could make or break you.

1252
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:13,280
Speaker 1: So really happy.

1253
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:15,719
Speaker 3: I'm glad we guys to talk about this, Mike, really

1254
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:18,520
Speaker 3: thankful that you got to join us and really take

1255
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:20,759
Speaker 3: appreciate you taking the time. Tell us where they can

1256
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:23,320
Speaker 3: find you what you're up to, because you do some

1257
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:24,719
Speaker 3: really excellent work.

1258
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:26,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I appreciate it, guys.

1259
00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:28,239
Speaker 4: Thanks for having me on you guys can find me

1260
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:30,839
Speaker 4: on Twitter at Mike Taglier NFL. This is the time

1261
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 4: in the off season where I'm actually able to answer

1262
00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:33,200
Speaker 4: some questions.

1263
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:35,279
Speaker 2: But in season I do this.

1264
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:37,320
Speaker 4: It's called the Primer where I go through and I

1265
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:40,279
Speaker 4: talk about every player from every game, like honestly, like

1266
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:42,279
Speaker 4: I read a paragraph on every player. It's like thirty

1267
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:44,919
Speaker 4: thousand words a week. So hopefully that guy's help helps

1268
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:46,320
Speaker 4: you out. It's from both the season long and a

1269
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:49,120
Speaker 4: DFS standpoint. That's my heart and soul. So if there's

1270
00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:51,080
Speaker 4: any questions left after that, I probably can't answer them.

1271
00:53:51,120 --> 00:53:51,359
Speaker 1: Go bother.

1272
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:56,160
Speaker 3: Sean or something excellent, excellent stuff and Sean tell them

1273
00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:59,040
Speaker 3: where they can find you on Twitter and what you're

1274
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:00,479
Speaker 3: working on at.

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Speaker 6: The Odds Maker or at the Underscore Odds Maker. One

1276
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:06,920
Speaker 6: of the most recent pieces I did was I went

1277
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:09,919
Speaker 6: in and projected each starting running back to be out

1278
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:12,840
Speaker 6: in my weekly projection model to kind of evaluate you know,

1279
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:16,320
Speaker 6: backup running backs, handcuffs, just bench stashes, which I mentioned.

1280
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:18,480
Speaker 6: That's that's my m when it comes to season long

1281
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:21,320
Speaker 6: is you know, load up on backup running backs and

1282
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:23,560
Speaker 6: just you know, take advantage of the chaos of the

1283
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:25,320
Speaker 6: end season injury situation.

1284
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:29,040
Speaker 3: Absolutely love it and you guys can find me on

1285
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:33,000
Speaker 3: Twitter at Chris Raybon. You can find mine, Shaan's and

1286
00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:35,839
Speaker 3: Matthew Freeman's rankings on actionnetwork dot com.

1287
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:38,840
Speaker 1: Our Fantasy Too is live. Go check it out. We

1288
00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:41,160
Speaker 1: have all our player projections, not just the rankings, but

1289
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:42,799
Speaker 1: all the stats. Till next time.

1290
00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:46,719
Speaker 3: This has been another edition of the Action Network Podcast.

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00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:51,200
Speaker 3: We will be back next week with another NFL episode,

1292
00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:52,080
Speaker 3: peace Out