WEBVTT - Takeaways from the 2025 U.S. Open with Trevor Immelman 0:00:00.040 --> 0:00:02.800 I miss a green, for example, I'm already upset. When 0:00:02.800 --> 0:00:04.920 I find my ball in the bunker, I'm really upset. 0:00:05.000 --> 0:00:06.960 And when I find my ball in a brid egg 0:00:07.200 --> 0:00:10.039 Friday Egg, the dreaded Frida egg, Frida egg, Frida egg 0:00:10.080 --> 0:00:12.680 brid Egg fridagg bride egg Lie, I'm about ready to 0:00:12.760 --> 0:00:14.080 run off the golf course. 0:00:37.760 --> 0:00:40.440 Welcome back to the Friday Egg Golf Podcast. I am 0:00:40.479 --> 0:00:44.720 your host, Andy Johnson. Today I am joined by Trevor Immelman. 0:00:44.840 --> 0:00:47.279 We are going to break down the one hundred and 0:00:47.479 --> 0:00:52.640 twenty fifth US Open. It was held last week at Oakmont. 0:00:53.640 --> 0:00:56.040 It was very wet, It was quite a week. It 0:00:56.120 --> 0:00:59.440 was a lot of weather. Pure chaos broke down on 0:00:59.480 --> 0:01:03.440 the back now and I'm excited to chat with Trevor 0:01:03.560 --> 0:01:07.880 about all the ins and outs and contenders. Also the 0:01:07.920 --> 0:01:13.080 setup Oakmont overall is a course. Really fun chat with 0:01:13.200 --> 0:01:16.880 Trevor breaking down this major. I can't believe we're we 0:01:16.959 --> 0:01:20.839 are three legs of the four through the major season. 0:01:20.880 --> 0:01:23.680 We've got Port Rush coming up in about a month 0:01:23.880 --> 0:01:28.480 exactly from today, so really a lot of storylines. Obviously, 0:01:28.600 --> 0:01:32.560 JJ spawn captured the title. Incredible finish for him to 0:01:33.080 --> 0:01:37.399 win his first major and and win at Oakmont. What 0:01:37.520 --> 0:01:40.080 a first major to get Oakmont? It's not usually a 0:01:40.120 --> 0:01:44.440 first major golf course. 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It became anybody's tournament. 0:03:49.920 --> 0:03:53.200 On the back nine just a you know, a ton 0:03:53.240 --> 0:03:58.040 of players had a chance. JJ Spawn though, makes four 0:03:58.040 --> 0:04:01.280 birdies on the back nine the last two holes to 0:04:01.360 --> 0:04:07.400 win by two shots over Robert McIntyre and capture his 0:04:07.440 --> 0:04:11.400 first major championship, his second win of his career and 0:04:11.680 --> 0:04:16.279 obviously a part of a breakout season for Spawn, who's 0:04:16.320 --> 0:04:17.960 now top ten in the world. 0:04:18.440 --> 0:04:21.240 And you know, the win goes with the. 0:04:21.240 --> 0:04:24.000 Runner up playoff loss at the players one of the 0:04:24.000 --> 0:04:27.240 other huge events on the PGA Tour calendar as well 0:04:27.279 --> 0:04:30.760 as a second place at down in Palm Beach. So 0:04:32.080 --> 0:04:36.480 thoughts on JJ Spahn and and kind of the finish there. 0:04:36.520 --> 0:04:40.680 Yeah, well, extremely impressive gulf from him. I mean, what 0:04:41.279 --> 0:04:43.840 a week it was, what a final round it was. 0:04:44.960 --> 0:04:48.240 I posted a message on X earlier in the day 0:04:48.360 --> 0:04:51.040 that just always had a feel that there were going 0:04:51.080 --> 0:04:54.200 to be some crazy twists and turns throughout the day. 0:04:55.160 --> 0:04:59.039 Every shot seemed on such a knife edge, particularly the 0:04:59.080 --> 0:05:01.560 t shots. If you hit it into the rough, you 0:05:01.680 --> 0:05:04.680 just never knew what you were going to get. And 0:05:05.920 --> 0:05:08.600 things were just changing dramatically, and then we got the 0:05:08.600 --> 0:05:12.440 weather delay. But you know, you've got to give so 0:05:12.560 --> 0:05:15.600 much credit to JJ for the way that he finished 0:05:15.600 --> 0:05:18.680 the tournament off, to go ahead and come back in 0:05:18.760 --> 0:05:22.200 thirty two. I'm just looking at the scorecard here. Four 0:05:22.240 --> 0:05:27.920 birdies in his last seven holes. You know, birdies were 0:05:28.240 --> 0:05:30.960 hard to come by. We saw that throughout the week, 0:05:31.040 --> 0:05:33.880 even when conditions were better. And for him to go 0:05:33.880 --> 0:05:36.479 ahead and make those four birdies down the stretch there, 0:05:36.520 --> 0:05:39.320 and particularly the last two holes when everything was on 0:05:39.360 --> 0:05:42.000 the line, you got to tip your cap to him 0:05:42.040 --> 0:05:45.440 and congratulate him. He went out there and won that 0:05:47.000 --> 0:05:49.719 with a moment that will be remembered for a long time. 0:05:49.800 --> 0:05:52.600 With that brilliant pot across the green at eighteen. 0:05:54.320 --> 0:05:57.080 I mean, the pot was incredible. 0:05:57.240 --> 0:06:01.640 I was standing right there behind and you know, like 0:06:02.040 --> 0:06:04.400 I'm a member of the media, I'm supposed to be impartial, 0:06:05.600 --> 0:06:10.080 And when that putt got about five feet away, I 0:06:10.200 --> 0:06:12.360 like threw my hands up because I knew it was 0:06:12.400 --> 0:06:14.440 one of those putts that was traffic. And I mean 0:06:14.480 --> 0:06:16.560 I let out an audible like oh, I you know, 0:06:16.600 --> 0:06:19.279 I cheered because it was just such a remarkable putt. 0:06:19.279 --> 0:06:23.160 I mean, you just it's when I saw where he 0:06:23.240 --> 0:06:25.520 hit it. When I got up to the green, I 0:06:25.640 --> 0:06:28.760 was looking at him, like, God, this is that's a 0:06:28.800 --> 0:06:30.960 hard put I wouldn't want to have to two put 0:06:31.000 --> 0:06:31.560 that to win. 0:06:32.080 --> 0:06:34.640 You know. That's that's about one of the worst putts 0:06:34.680 --> 0:06:35.640 you could have on the green. 0:06:36.440 --> 0:06:38.640 The odds were far greater than he was going to 0:06:38.720 --> 0:06:42.480 three put than what you know it was going to 0:06:42.520 --> 0:06:48.360 be if he made it, and just incredible really, and 0:06:48.400 --> 0:06:50.720 it went in at perfect speed like there was no 0:06:51.160 --> 0:06:53.160 you know, in a week where it felt like there 0:06:53.240 --> 0:06:56.599 was quite a lot of luck at play with the 0:06:56.720 --> 0:07:00.200 lies and the rough and you know whether you're to 0:07:00.240 --> 0:07:03.800 be able to advance the ball twenty yards fifty yards 0:07:03.800 --> 0:07:07.480 get it up onto the green. There was just felt 0:07:07.520 --> 0:07:10.000 like no luck involved in all that partt When in 0:07:10.200 --> 0:07:13.239 perfect speed it was tracking the last eight or ten feet, 0:07:13.280 --> 0:07:15.800 you just were like, man, I think this is going 0:07:15.840 --> 0:07:19.880 to go in brilliant moment there for him. I'm a 0:07:19.960 --> 0:07:24.480 huge JJ spawn fan. He is a wonderful guy, a 0:07:24.560 --> 0:07:28.520 great guy that's very popular on to a really good 0:07:28.560 --> 0:07:32.960 sense of humor. It doesn't take himself too seriously, and 0:07:33.080 --> 0:07:35.000 you know he's put in the hard yards throughout his 0:07:35.120 --> 0:07:39.640 career to make it to this point. And so fun 0:07:39.680 --> 0:07:42.960 to see good people get rewarded who've put the work 0:07:42.960 --> 0:07:48.040 in and battled through the adversity. That was quite something. 0:07:48.160 --> 0:07:51.000 That was really a cool moment. They're watching him make 0:07:51.040 --> 0:07:53.240 that putt and you see the reaction from all the 0:07:53.280 --> 0:07:58.160 other competitors, whether it be Tyrrell or Bob or even 0:07:58.160 --> 0:08:00.360 Halan that he's playing with. I mean, these guys just 0:08:00.400 --> 0:08:02.600 looking at it going like yeah, fair play. I mean, 0:08:02.880 --> 0:08:04.840 that's that's something special right there. 0:08:05.560 --> 0:08:07.640 I loved it, like just like kind of like putter 0:08:07.720 --> 0:08:11.120 toss going in and It's almost like he didn't know 0:08:11.160 --> 0:08:13.520 what to do, like just through It's. 0:08:13.520 --> 0:08:16.360 Gaddy caddy was so close to him that I thought 0:08:16.400 --> 0:08:18.880 he might try to dive and catch him. It was. 0:08:18.960 --> 0:08:21.160 It was quite funny to see the caddy right there 0:08:21.200 --> 0:08:23.920 with him, probably trying to get a read on the 0:08:23.960 --> 0:08:27.840 pot if it went by the hole, and you know 0:08:27.920 --> 0:08:33.120 he's holding the umbrellas hammering down with rain again. Yeah, 0:08:33.240 --> 0:08:37.120 I mean, I've probably watched it fifteen times since, and 0:08:37.280 --> 0:08:40.960 you always spot something that brings a smile to your face. 0:08:41.200 --> 0:08:44.880 You know, after the initial shock of the ball going in. 0:08:45.000 --> 0:08:46.920 The more you watch it, the more other things you 0:08:46.960 --> 0:08:49.880 start to notice really cool, I think. 0:08:50.080 --> 0:08:53.400 You know, obviously the first two majors of the year, 0:08:53.480 --> 0:08:58.560 we had Rory McElroy Scottie Shuffler, supreme talents, players that 0:08:58.760 --> 0:09:04.040 from a young age were destined for, you know, stardom 0:09:04.160 --> 0:09:08.800 on the PGA Tour. Obviously, Rory tons of expectations as 0:09:08.800 --> 0:09:12.200 a kid. Scotty wins the US Junior becomes the number 0:09:12.240 --> 0:09:16.079 one player in the world. Jaduspahn a little bit different path, 0:09:16.160 --> 0:09:19.959 and one of the beautiful things about golf is is 0:09:20.000 --> 0:09:23.280 that you know you never know what age you're going 0:09:23.360 --> 0:09:25.800 to play your best golf, and here he is at 0:09:25.840 --> 0:09:30.880 thirty four, really rounding into his his his best self. 0:09:30.960 --> 0:09:34.840 I loved the quote he talked about in his post round. 0:09:34.920 --> 0:09:37.080 He said, I grew up watching golf. I was a 0:09:37.120 --> 0:09:40.160 young kid wanted to play golf. I loved golf. It 0:09:40.200 --> 0:09:42.439 was a passion for me growing up. I always played 0:09:42.440 --> 0:09:45.000 with my parents. Growing up, one thing led to another. 0:09:45.960 --> 0:09:49.160 I wasn't really groomed to be a professional golfer. I 0:09:49.160 --> 0:09:57.200 didn't get put through academ academies. I didn't play a JGA. 0:09:57.559 --> 0:10:00.880 I played local stuff. I did qualify or actually, my 0:10:01.000 --> 0:10:04.360 first big USGA event was the US Junior. I did 0:10:04.400 --> 0:10:06.760 that two times when I was like sixteen and seventeen. 0:10:07.040 --> 0:10:09.599 That's kind of when I realized my potential. I just 0:10:09.720 --> 0:10:12.320 kept going like one foot in front of the other, 0:10:12.600 --> 0:10:16.520 junior golf, college golf, turning pro, and now here I 0:10:16.559 --> 0:10:20.839 am with the USGA, a US Open trophy. Think about 0:10:20.880 --> 0:10:24.720 the career and it's like this just incremental rise. Where 0:10:24.720 --> 0:10:26.439 he's not playing AJGA golf. 0:10:26.440 --> 0:10:26.920 He's played. 0:10:27.120 --> 0:10:30.800 He plays at San Diego State, obviously a pretty strong program. 0:10:30.840 --> 0:10:34.680 But you know his path to the tour. He started 0:10:34.720 --> 0:10:37.400 on the Canadian Tour. He got up through the Canadian 0:10:37.400 --> 0:10:39.520 tour to the corn Ferry Tour. You know, it was 0:10:39.559 --> 0:10:42.160 the web dot com. I remember watching him at the 0:10:42.280 --> 0:10:44.200 very beginning of the Frida Egg. I went to one 0:10:44.240 --> 0:10:46.760 of my first trips to pro golf tournament was to 0:10:46.840 --> 0:10:51.280 the Columbus Nationwide event and I watched him there and 0:10:51.400 --> 0:10:53.760 you know, because a guy on web dot com tour 0:10:53.920 --> 0:10:55.720 was like, you know one guy you should watch hit 0:10:55.720 --> 0:10:58.360 a golf balls, JJ Spawn. He can really hit it. 0:10:59.000 --> 0:11:01.720 And I watched him there and then it's just like 0:11:02.080 --> 0:11:04.760 he kind of was just mired in in the middle 0:11:05.040 --> 0:11:08.679 of the PGA tour for years and who knows where 0:11:08.679 --> 0:11:11.480 he goes from here, but it's just, you know, to 0:11:11.559 --> 0:11:14.200 get to the top ten in the world rankings, it's 0:11:14.320 --> 0:11:18.439 just a very unexpected He's not someone you go and 0:11:18.559 --> 0:11:21.240 watch and you're like, wow, like you know that guy, 0:11:21.640 --> 0:11:25.520 you know, whether it's aesthetically, he doesn't look like he's like, 0:11:25.600 --> 0:11:27.520 you know, he's not one of these like six foot 0:11:27.559 --> 0:11:32.080 four Cam Davis, like gret you know, god like looking 0:11:32.120 --> 0:11:34.680 golf swings when you're looking at the range. But that 0:11:34.840 --> 0:11:38.800 swing is is really repeatable and we saw it under 0:11:38.840 --> 0:11:43.800 pressure just you know, deliver two. I mean, two absolute 0:11:44.080 --> 0:11:46.000 perfect drives on seventeen and eighteen. 0:11:46.080 --> 0:11:49.040 Yeah, in a lot of ways, it's it's like a 0:11:49.080 --> 0:11:51.199 little bit of a throwback, isn't it. You know when 0:11:51.240 --> 0:11:56.920 I when I turned pro, it was kind of accepted 0:11:57.000 --> 0:11:59.720 that you would go through years of like cutting your 0:11:59.720 --> 0:12:02.720 tea and learning the ropes and getting to understand the 0:12:02.720 --> 0:12:06.800 golf courses and learning from the other great players and 0:12:07.520 --> 0:12:13.120 stumbling a bunch before being able to win, and then 0:12:13.160 --> 0:12:15.560 eventually you would reach your prime in your thirties. I 0:12:15.559 --> 0:12:17.599 mean everyone used to think you'd reach your prime in 0:12:17.640 --> 0:12:22.680 your thirties, and then I guess really started with Tiger 0:12:22.760 --> 0:12:25.160 was the first guy to jump on there and absolutely 0:12:25.200 --> 0:12:28.560 dominate in his early twenties. But as the years of progressed, 0:12:28.679 --> 0:12:32.320 guys have had more and more success early. But you know, 0:12:32.400 --> 0:12:35.520 as you talk about that and read through some of 0:12:35.559 --> 0:12:39.320 his accomplishments, I mean, it's it's kind of like a 0:12:39.360 --> 0:12:42.520 throwback of he took his time, he lost his card, 0:12:42.800 --> 0:12:45.320 He used to go through the mini tours a lot 0:12:45.320 --> 0:12:49.079 of self doubt in moments, wondering whether it'd be good enough, 0:12:49.120 --> 0:12:52.600 but he kept at it and had the right group 0:12:52.720 --> 0:12:55.280 of people around him to keep nudging him in the 0:12:55.360 --> 0:13:00.240 right direction, and now he's major champion, and he's won 0:13:00.280 --> 0:13:03.760 the US Open at one of the toughest golf courses 0:13:03.800 --> 0:13:10.640 to play. He absolutely flushes the ball, there's no doubt 0:13:10.640 --> 0:13:14.240 about that. My son has done some travel with me 0:13:14.480 --> 0:13:17.720 this summer since he got back home, and he was 0:13:17.760 --> 0:13:21.319 with me at the Charles Schwab at Colonial and I 0:13:21.400 --> 0:13:23.719 always like to go down on the range on Saturdays 0:13:23.720 --> 0:13:27.040 and Sunday mornings and watch the leaders warm up and 0:13:27.160 --> 0:13:30.000 you know, maybe have a chat with them, see what's 0:13:30.040 --> 0:13:32.160 going on, see if I can notice any patterns with 0:13:32.200 --> 0:13:36.120 their swing and their ballflight. And JJ was up near 0:13:36.160 --> 0:13:40.439 around the lead that week as well, and we watched 0:13:40.480 --> 0:13:43.880 him warm up and we left the range and my 0:13:44.000 --> 0:13:46.760 son Jacob said to me, man, I didn't realize JJ 0:13:46.960 --> 0:13:51.720 hit the ball that pure. It was extremely impressive warm 0:13:51.840 --> 0:13:55.160 up all the way through. The bag doesn't have a 0:13:55.280 --> 0:13:58.080 crazy amount of power to be able to overpower any 0:13:58.120 --> 0:14:00.839 sort of golf course, but there's for sure enough pop 0:14:00.840 --> 0:14:03.920 in the bat. We're talking mid to high one seventies 0:14:04.559 --> 0:14:08.080 penetrating ballflight. He moves the trajectory around, up and down 0:14:08.200 --> 0:14:10.600 quite a lot. For the most part, hits the fade 0:14:10.880 --> 0:14:16.080 but the ball comes out and it feels and sounds like, man, 0:14:16.120 --> 0:14:19.080 this thing has been hit, and it's been hit rarely squarely. 0:14:20.960 --> 0:14:24.320 Love is swinging, Lovey is right shoulder powers through the ball. 0:14:25.120 --> 0:14:28.800 Not a lot of face flipping and face rotation going 0:14:28.840 --> 0:14:31.840 on there. And I was like, yeah, I mean, this 0:14:32.200 --> 0:14:34.560 guy flushes it and he's starting to get that self 0:14:34.600 --> 0:14:37.360 belief now that he's had all of these close calls 0:14:37.400 --> 0:14:40.440 after the initial win at Valero, but he's for sure 0:14:40.560 --> 0:14:45.800 up this game in the last twelve months. And you know, 0:14:45.920 --> 0:14:50.440 I think he leaned on all of those experiences coming 0:14:50.440 --> 0:14:55.400 down the stretch yesterday, and maybe, you know, it's one 0:14:55.480 --> 0:14:58.120 thing getting it done at the end and making all 0:14:58.160 --> 0:15:01.160 those brilliant birdies and hitting those two brilliant drives on 0:15:01.240 --> 0:15:04.840 seventeen and eighteen. But I'll tell you what. You know, 0:15:04.920 --> 0:15:06.840 a lot of people would have packed it up after 0:15:06.920 --> 0:15:09.520 five or six holes after the start that he had. 0:15:09.920 --> 0:15:15.320 And I don't mean that in necessarily even a quitting fashion. 0:15:15.520 --> 0:15:20.000 I mean it in getting down on yourself mentally and 0:15:20.040 --> 0:15:24.040 be like, oh, this is clearly not my week. I've 0:15:24.080 --> 0:15:26.880 just hit the flag stick on two after hitting a 0:15:26.880 --> 0:15:29.360 perfect wedge, and I'm off the green, he makes another 0:15:29.400 --> 0:15:32.720 bogie there, he makes what does he make here? Five 0:15:32.880 --> 0:15:35.560 fives to start, and then he bogies the next hole 0:15:35.640 --> 0:15:39.480 the past three. So he's five over after six on Sunday, 0:15:40.240 --> 0:15:47.000 And yeah, I'd love to know the self talk and 0:15:47.200 --> 0:15:49.800 the thought process he was going through at that moment. 0:15:49.880 --> 0:15:53.200 But to be able to hang in there and keep 0:15:53.240 --> 0:15:57.280 grinding it out is something that I think is super impressive. 0:15:57.600 --> 0:16:00.800 The rain delay probably helped him to be able to reset, 0:16:01.040 --> 0:16:04.320 maybe take a little squizze at the leaderboard and go okay. 0:16:04.360 --> 0:16:07.520 I know that was maybe the worst possible start I 0:16:07.560 --> 0:16:10.360 could have got off to, but the good news is 0:16:10.400 --> 0:16:12.960 I'm actually still in this and he was able to 0:16:12.960 --> 0:16:18.720 be able to reset. But yeah, man, it was cool. 0:16:18.760 --> 0:16:23.480 It was cool to watch. And you know, in sports, 0:16:23.520 --> 0:16:25.880 we love to see the favorites win, but every now 0:16:25.920 --> 0:16:30.680 and then it's fun to see somebody step up and 0:16:30.880 --> 0:16:33.880 prove to themselves and the world that they can get 0:16:33.880 --> 0:16:37.840 it done too. And that's really what I take out 0:16:37.840 --> 0:16:41.080 of his performance. And who knows where this goes from here? 0:16:41.920 --> 0:16:44.160 You know, who knows? That's It's one of the beauties 0:16:44.200 --> 0:16:46.440 of sport where you have to watch, you have to 0:16:46.440 --> 0:16:49.680 get in the game and you've got to complete all 0:16:49.760 --> 0:16:51.760 seventy two. Hold. I mean, this guy who knows he 0:16:51.760 --> 0:16:53.960 could win more majors going down the road for sure. 0:16:55.720 --> 0:16:56.040 Yeah. 0:16:56.160 --> 0:17:00.720 I think with Oakmont's pedigree for winners, the the membership 0:17:00.800 --> 0:17:06.560 certainly wishing him to win more. The uh, you know, 0:17:06.680 --> 0:17:08.680 I had in my notes, so I was going to 0:17:08.720 --> 0:17:12.200 ask you this is is this the rain delay that 0:17:12.200 --> 0:17:14.960 that changed the course of the US Open? Because if 0:17:15.000 --> 0:17:18.120 you look at Spawns quotes and from his press conference, 0:17:19.359 --> 0:17:22.720 he you know, he he talked to his coaches obviously 0:17:22.800 --> 0:17:25.920 during the break, and I think it was Josh Gregory 0:17:26.000 --> 0:17:26.960 who said. 0:17:28.320 --> 0:17:32.879 It was. He said they were just like, dude, just chill. 0:17:34.119 --> 0:17:38.000 If you're if you were given four shots back going 0:17:38.040 --> 0:17:41.439 into the back nine on Monday, you would have you 0:17:41.440 --> 0:17:44.360 would take that. They just said, just let it come 0:17:44.400 --> 0:17:48.199 to you. Be calm, stop trying hard. That's what I 0:17:48.280 --> 0:17:50.760 was doing. I felt like I had a chance, a 0:17:50.760 --> 0:17:52.639 really good chance to win the US Open. At the 0:17:52.640 --> 0:17:55.880 start of the day. It was just unraveling very fast. 0:17:56.440 --> 0:18:00.520 But that break was actually the key for me to 0:18:00.600 --> 0:18:03.560 winning this tournament. You know, you just think about Yeah, 0:18:03.600 --> 0:18:07.600 And it seemed like the break was also had a 0:18:07.640 --> 0:18:12.040 detriment on other players, you know, and uh, one thing 0:18:12.119 --> 0:18:16.399 I was curious about and it seemed like we a 0:18:16.440 --> 0:18:19.080 lot of guys had a lot of trouble hitting hitting 0:18:19.160 --> 0:18:21.760 approach shots from the from the wet fairways when they 0:18:21.800 --> 0:18:27.360 came out. Is there something that spawns swing that you know, 0:18:28.160 --> 0:18:31.240 we both have talked about, like that consistent strike that 0:18:31.320 --> 0:18:35.320 he asked. It's seemingly a heavy ball the hits when 0:18:35.359 --> 0:18:39.240 he is there something about his swing that actually was 0:18:40.320 --> 0:18:43.680 you know that separated him on the on the soggy 0:18:43.720 --> 0:18:46.080 fairways because that was giving people a lot of trouble. 0:18:46.240 --> 0:18:50.040 Yeah, it's really tough to answer because all of these 0:18:50.040 --> 0:18:54.040 guys are are so good through the impact zone. You know, 0:18:54.119 --> 0:18:58.520 you don't get to this level unless you are. You 0:18:59.000 --> 0:19:02.440 just kind of wonder did he let that bother him 0:19:02.720 --> 0:19:06.359 less than some of the others. The thing that makes 0:19:06.400 --> 0:19:12.080 golf so elusive and winning and championship golf so elusive 0:19:12.440 --> 0:19:15.920 is it's just one little tiny piece of doubt can 0:19:16.000 --> 0:19:21.359 cause havoc. And you know, maybe he just dealt with 0:19:21.400 --> 0:19:24.880 it mentally in a better way to where he was like, look, 0:19:24.880 --> 0:19:28.760 I'm gonna put my swing on the on the shot 0:19:28.920 --> 0:19:33.200 and see what happens rather than being a little apprehensive 0:19:33.440 --> 0:19:36.679 or being a little more defensive. Who knows, you just 0:19:36.720 --> 0:19:41.400 need that one little shred of doubt to cause absolute havoc. 0:19:42.200 --> 0:19:45.399 But it reminded me so much of other sports. You know, 0:19:45.480 --> 0:19:48.840 we've seen delays like that change outcomes in sports. You 0:19:48.840 --> 0:19:51.280 see it in tennis sometimes players will go for a 0:19:51.320 --> 0:19:53.000 bathroom break or the rain or. 0:19:53.000 --> 0:19:55.600 Come my Cubs World Series. 0:19:57.720 --> 0:20:00.119 Remember that Super Bowl in New Orleans when the it 0:20:00.280 --> 0:20:04.359 went out and all of a sudden the game changed. Uh. 0:20:04.480 --> 0:20:07.840 You see it in Formula one all the time. So 0:20:09.560 --> 0:20:12.880 it's just one of the beauties of sport. Nobody knows 0:20:12.880 --> 0:20:15.560 what's going to happen. You just got to keep rolling 0:20:15.640 --> 0:20:20.199 with it. You've got to be you've got to be unflappable. 0:20:20.440 --> 0:20:22.600 You've got to you've got to be in a situation 0:20:22.880 --> 0:20:26.640 to where you need to be able to expect anything 0:20:27.960 --> 0:20:32.040 and and and not allow any of it to bother 0:20:32.160 --> 0:20:36.040 you and to affect your psyche at all. Uh. And 0:20:36.080 --> 0:20:40.199 that's probably the main thing that I was impressed with 0:20:40.800 --> 0:20:46.399 from JJ yesterday was the start, the the delay, the 0:20:46.520 --> 0:20:51.280 change in conditions, the sloppy fair ways. He dealt with 0:20:51.320 --> 0:20:55.080 all of that so well. And uh came out on top. 0:20:56.080 --> 0:20:56.359 Yeah. 0:20:56.520 --> 0:20:59.600 The other thing is, you know, he putted extraordinary and 0:21:00.119 --> 0:21:02.719 one of the things that's been a soft spot throughout 0:21:02.720 --> 0:21:06.159 his career has been the putter. He's always been really 0:21:06.560 --> 0:21:10.119 tee to green Ace. The putter has been, you know, 0:21:10.200 --> 0:21:13.600 not as reliable put it. I think like what impressed 0:21:13.600 --> 0:21:15.800 me the most, and it impressed me at the players 0:21:15.960 --> 0:21:19.640 was like his lag putting under the gun under pressure 0:21:19.680 --> 0:21:22.359 where you might see that's where and all of a 0:21:22.400 --> 0:21:25.560 sudden you get more you have more thoughts going through 0:21:25.600 --> 0:21:28.920 your head. It gets harder to leave putts dead and uh, 0:21:29.040 --> 0:21:31.159 and the putts he hit coming in made it a 0:21:31.160 --> 0:21:35.520 lot easier on him because you know, they just matching 0:21:35.560 --> 0:21:38.440 perfect speed with the with the you know, in a 0:21:38.720 --> 0:21:42.240 in a situation where finding the perfect speed was hard 0:21:42.240 --> 0:21:44.680 because the speed of the Greens drastically changed after the 0:21:44.760 --> 0:21:49.080 rain delay. I think like the the adaptability and for 0:21:49.200 --> 0:21:52.480 him to just kind of go out and just really 0:21:52.720 --> 0:21:56.520 in a situation where nobody was taking the ball, he 0:21:56.640 --> 0:21:58.359 just grabbed it and ran with. 0:21:58.280 --> 0:22:00.680 It and and I think, you know, it'll be interesting. 0:22:01.800 --> 0:22:06.000 Josh Gregory was talking afterwards, he and he and I 0:22:06.080 --> 0:22:08.919 think this is like an important note of JJ spawn 0:22:09.280 --> 0:22:12.480 as he was talking about how you know, he obviously 0:22:12.560 --> 0:22:14.800 works with a ton of players, but he was like, 0:22:14.840 --> 0:22:17.360 you know, this guy is having a career year. He's 0:22:17.359 --> 0:22:19.880 gotten into the top fifteen in the FedEx Cup, top 0:22:19.960 --> 0:22:24.920 twenty five in the World golf rankings, and it's really 0:22:24.920 --> 0:22:28.640 easy when you get there to become complacent. And what 0:22:28.680 --> 0:22:31.360 he said to me is, I'm ready to work. I'm 0:22:31.400 --> 0:22:35.760 tired of coming up short. I want to be a lead. 0:22:35.240 --> 0:22:39.560 And you think that that type of mindset is kind 0:22:39.600 --> 0:22:43.480 of what can lead to people becoming world class at things, 0:22:43.800 --> 0:22:47.479 especially when he already has the traits of being a 0:22:47.520 --> 0:22:50.400 really good ball striker. If he you know, he makes 0:22:50.440 --> 0:22:54.440 some incremental gains on the short game and putting over 0:22:54.480 --> 0:22:57.159 the next you know, eighteen months, you know this, it 0:22:57.240 --> 0:22:59.600 might not be where we're surprised that he's a top 0:22:59.640 --> 0:23:00.000 ten player. 0:23:00.280 --> 0:23:02.920 Yeah. Yeah, he's clearly put a lot of great work in. 0:23:04.760 --> 0:23:07.760 You know, if we zero in on putting shucks. I 0:23:07.760 --> 0:23:09.679 remember a couple of seasons ago. You know, he was 0:23:09.680 --> 0:23:12.520 trying all sorts of different styles. He was trying arm block, 0:23:12.600 --> 0:23:16.679 he was going conventional, different putter styles, all sorts of 0:23:16.680 --> 0:23:22.280 different things. But you know, he's done well with this 0:23:22.400 --> 0:23:26.200 putter change. He's found a stroke that looks rarely, rarely solid, 0:23:26.760 --> 0:23:29.400 and he made a bunch of putts throughout the week 0:23:29.440 --> 0:23:32.440 that were absolutely clutch. I mean none more so than 0:23:32.440 --> 0:23:39.119 that bomb on eighteen. It's fascinating to me, you know, nowadays, 0:23:39.160 --> 0:23:42.280 with the advent of social media and all the great coverage, 0:23:42.320 --> 0:23:47.320 whether it be podcasts or pregame shows and all that 0:23:47.440 --> 0:23:50.960 sort of stuff. It was so much talk going into 0:23:50.960 --> 0:23:55.959 the week from the members at oakmand from the USGA, 0:23:56.200 --> 0:23:59.199