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Speaker 2: Hey, welcome Ron an Indy and the Car Doctor here

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Speaker 2: at your service. You know, give us a call eight

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Speaker 2: five to five five six zero nine nine zero zero

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Speaker 2: that you've got a problem in the driveway or a

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Speaker 2: question under the hood, just trying to figure out, you know,

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Speaker 2: maybe you need a second opinion after your mechanic. Every week,

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Speaker 2: something rolls into the shop and it reminds me this

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Speaker 2: business it's not about fixing cars anymore, at least not

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Speaker 2: solely by itself. It's really about helping people, helping you

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Speaker 2: make decisions, big decisions, you know. It's it's financial decisions,

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Speaker 2: safety decisions, sometimes emotional decisions. The sixteen thousand dollars transmission

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Speaker 2: from last week's show about the suv that needed the

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Speaker 2: sixteen thousand dollars transmission generated a lot of email and

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Speaker 2: a lot of questions from all of you. And I

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Speaker 2: thought we would kind of not review it but mention

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Speaker 2: it again. A modern suv, right, a full size suv

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Speaker 2: and even smaller SUVs, a transmission failure becomes the jumping

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Speaker 2: off point for a conversation about should you shouldn't you

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Speaker 2: repair cost vehicle ownership, and it shows that in some

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Speaker 2: cases you've got an emotional attachment to your car. You

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Speaker 2: still do, you know? This week in the shop, we

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Speaker 2: saw a lot of examples of like goal weeks like

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Speaker 2: of what you guys are struggling with. Cars are more expensive,

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Speaker 2: they really are, and I get it. I don't understand. Well,

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Speaker 2: I know why they're more expensive, and I feel bad

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Speaker 2: for it. But you know, you've got to understand repairs

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Speaker 2: are more technical, parts, cost more, labor, takes longer, and

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Speaker 2: you know, we're stretching vehicles to last longer than ever

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Speaker 2: before because replacing them. Holy cow, do you have car

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Speaker 2: payments or repair payments? Which is it? But you can't

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Speaker 2: get it fixed. And it's not just it's not just

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Speaker 2: here on this radio show. It's not just New Jersey.

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Speaker 2: We have a house gets this weekend and she flew in.

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Speaker 2: She's a friend of my wife's and they're out, you know,

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Speaker 2: girlfriending this weekend. And you know, Crystal has a problem

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Speaker 2: with the transmission in her F one to fifty pickup truck. Now,

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Speaker 2: Crystal comes from Utah, she has no clue. I don't think.

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Speaker 2: I don't even know if she knows I'm a mechanical.

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Speaker 2: I think she does now. But and the conversation at

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Speaker 2: dinner the other night was about how you know her

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Speaker 2: she has to go buy a new car because the

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Speaker 2: transmission in her truck is going bad and the Ford

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Speaker 2: dealer can't fix it. And I'm thinking to myself, wow,

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Speaker 2: the East coast. It's just amazing. It just stretches everywhere,

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Speaker 2: and she's got the infamous tense speed transmission in this truck,

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Speaker 2: the infamous tense speed transmission that's in a lot of cases,

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Speaker 2: you know, extended warranties, customer consideration, recall bulletins up the

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Speaker 2: ying yang like the trans is a problem. And she

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Speaker 2: takes it to the dealer multiple times, and the dealer

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Speaker 2: keeps saying, yeah, there's nothing wrong with it. Now, there's

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Speaker 2: It never you know, And I asked her, I said,

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Speaker 2: a little bit. It's still under something called powertrain coverage,

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Speaker 2: She said, what do you think's wrong with it? Because

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Speaker 2: then she found out I was a mechanic, And I said, well,

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Speaker 2: I think you're going to find out in four months

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Speaker 2: as soon as it's out of warranty, then they'll magically

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Speaker 2: don't mind maintaining a vehicle. What frustrates you is the uncertainty.

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Speaker 2: You don't know if the repair is necessary. You don't

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Speaker 2: She came in midweek. She's driving a two year old Subaru,

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Speaker 2: And she said, you know, they charged me one hundred

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Speaker 2: I just want to get it charged again. And I said, well,

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Speaker 2: actually you want to get it diagnosed. You want to

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Speaker 2: know why is it leaking, Where did the leak go? Where?

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Speaker 2: You know, where's the leak. Where's the refrigerant? Where did

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Speaker 2: it go? Oh, well, they didn't use refrigerant. Excuse me,

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Speaker 2: what did they use? They used Freeon? Well, no, Freon

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Speaker 2: was the trade name DuPont had, and I had to

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Speaker 2: go through the whole free on and free On is

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Speaker 2: like Kleenex to you guys. It's just a brand name.

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Speaker 2: But it's it's all tissues, it's all refrigerant. And I

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Speaker 2: had to explain to her that, you know, you've got

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Speaker 2: to diagnose this repair. You've got to look at this failure.

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Speaker 2: Why is this bad? You know what's broken? And she

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Speaker 2: didn't get it. You know, I explained, I said, it's

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Speaker 2: it's going to be four five hundred dollars to diagnose

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Speaker 2: the problem. But why I just want to charge my

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Speaker 2: AC for one hundred and fifty to two hundred dollars.

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Speaker 2: The other shop did it that way, And I had

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Speaker 2: to point out the other shop is out of business.

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Speaker 2: The other shop lost their lease. They never grew as

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Speaker 2: real estate. Then I'm not trying to be prejudiced against

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Speaker 2: the business that doesn't own their property, but it does

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Speaker 2: put you in a stronger position a business. In my opinion,

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Speaker 2: you have to grow to meet the demands of the

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Speaker 2: that you'll be there five, ten, fifteen, twenty years from now,

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Speaker 2: so that you can take care of your flock, because

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Speaker 2: otherwise you're going to find out one day, poof, you're gone.

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Speaker 2: And sometimes it's a sign of mismanagement. And I explained

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Speaker 2: of mismanagement because they never grew. They were in town

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Speaker 2: thirty five almost forty years. Something's wrong, especially when I'm

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Speaker 2: hearing stories that they knew there was a leak in

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Speaker 2: the AC system, but they charged it anyway, because the

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Speaker 2: lure of of making a quick couple of bucks versus

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Speaker 2: doing a proper repair is just so much more attractive.

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Speaker 2: Maybe it's the consumer, maybe it's the vehicle owner. I

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Speaker 2: don't know, but you have to get it through your head,

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Speaker 2: you really do that. Yeah, what a repair is going

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Speaker 2: to be expensive. It just is going forward, and it's

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Speaker 2: the nature of the beast that's been created. Mechanics didn't

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Speaker 2: design the cars, that's for sure. Because if the mechanics

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Speaker 2: designed the cars, they'd be easier to fix. But it's

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Speaker 2: the surroundings, it's the circumstances. It's the consequences of modern

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Speaker 2: day refrigerant. Right, what we commonly call twelve thirty four

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Speaker 2: YF is like liquid gold. It's so expensive. If one

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Speaker 2: thirty four refrigerant, the older stuff that you find in

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Speaker 2: a vehicle ten years old or older, if it's selling

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Speaker 2: for three dollars an ount, twelve thirty four YF is

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Speaker 2: selling for six dollars an ounce. It's double the price.

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Speaker 2: And you want to be sure that you've you've got repaired,

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Speaker 2: that it's not just going to leak out, so that

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Speaker 2: you're not just wasting a couple of four hundred dollars

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Speaker 2: just trying to solve and charge an air conditioning system.

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Speaker 2: Not to mention it's it's bad for the environment, the

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Speaker 2: greenhouse gas effect, damage to the ozone in certain cases

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Speaker 2: with certain gases. So it's an issue, right, So we

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Speaker 2: want to be environmentally friendly. Understand that, you know, there's

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Speaker 2: new methods to diagnose air conditioning. We use CO two

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Speaker 2: CO two. A CO two kit with a leak detector

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Speaker 2: is about fifty five hundred bucks. We've had it now

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Speaker 2: eight nine years our CO two leak detector broke. It

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Speaker 2: finally wore out. We had to buy another one. It

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Speaker 2: was fifteen hundred dollars. The money doesn't fall out of

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Speaker 2: the sky. It's got to come from somewhere, and you've

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Speaker 2: got to diagnose to use it. You got to use

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Speaker 2: it to diagnose. There's a lot of changes coming in

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Speaker 2: order to repair and we're going to talk about them

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Speaker 2: this hour and going forward. But I can just promise

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Speaker 2: I know what you're talking about. You know, it's not

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Speaker 2: the repair shop that gets me. It's the restaurant in

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Speaker 2: the supermarket. But I'm a consumer just like the rest

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Speaker 2: of you, and I'm just here to try and help

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Speaker 2: you make sense of it all. Let's pull over, take

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Speaker 2: a pause. When we return, we'll open up the phone

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Speaker 2: lines at eight five five five six zero nine nine

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Speaker 2: zero zero. I'm running ending in the car. Doctor. I'll

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Speaker 2: be back right after this. Hey, let's get the phones open.

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Speaker 2: Let's go over and talk to Steve twenty one Chevy Silverado, Steve,

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the car doctor, sir, how can I help?

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Speaker 4: Yes?

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Speaker 2: Good, what's going on?

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Speaker 4: My truck will not release the key from the ignition.

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Speaker 4: It's an intermittent problem. Sometimes it comes right out, sometimes

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Speaker 4: there's a few seconds, sometimes it's a few minutes, and

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Speaker 4: sometimes it's longer.

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Speaker 2: Right, original key, factory.

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Speaker 4: K Yes, Okay, well both factory keys.

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Speaker 2: And you've tried it with both keys, correct, So it

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Speaker 2: does it with both keys. So keys aren't the issue,

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Speaker 2: right if you look at both keys. As silly as

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Speaker 2: this sounds, because this is a double cut key, right,

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Speaker 2: it's got the groove up the middle. It's not a

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Speaker 2: traditional key if you look, if you look at both keys,

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Speaker 2: there's no physical damage to either one that they both

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Speaker 2: look identical in their track. That that strip up the middle. Okay,

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Speaker 2: just I just mentioned it because sometimes I've seen where

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Speaker 2: the lock cylinder will start to beat up the key

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Speaker 2: and it becomes you have to do a lock cylinder

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Speaker 2: and a key. But I just don't want to miss

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Speaker 2: you know, could the key be damaged at this point,

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Speaker 2: so you know, just take a look at them.

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Speaker 4: Well, I'm sorry, go ahead, no.

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Speaker 2: Go ahead.

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Speaker 4: You had something, Yeah, it was diagnosed by the dealer

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Speaker 4: as the problem being a cylinder lock housing.

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Speaker 2: Okay, not uncommon, okay, And.

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Speaker 4: I had that replaced, and the lock the cylinder lock housing,

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Speaker 4: and there's a switch behind it, which they also replaced.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Right, there's a solenoid that helps push in position.

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Speaker 4: and that didn't do it either. It's still the same,

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Speaker 2: So when this happens, you know, before I get to

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Speaker 4: If you know?

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Speaker 2: I wonder if if you were to take your foot

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Speaker 4: I haven't tried that, but I mean, I'll tell you

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Speaker 4: Nothing else came up, okay.

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Speaker 2: Because I'm looking to see, you know, just so so

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Speaker 2: Okay, you know, is it possible because if the truck

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Speaker 2: You know, is it is it possible I've got a

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Speaker 2: Again, I'm going through the list right, trying to think

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Speaker 4: No? I had my mechanic do that.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 4: People want to thought what I thought was a crazy

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Speaker 2: It's what's a crazy amount of money?

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Speaker 4: It was one thousand dollars.

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Speaker 2: Okay, what's your mechanic charge six hundred. Okay, you think

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Speaker 2: That sounds presumptuous. But here's why. Right. You know, you

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Speaker 2: I get it. You know what, if you don't believe

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Speaker 4: Right, But if you it wasn't it wasn't there for

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Speaker 2: Okay, okay, And did it happen I'm sorry, did it

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Speaker 4: You know?

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Speaker 2: Okay?

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Speaker 4: But you know they they diagnosed it, and it was

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I get that. So listen, And I'm not I'm

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Speaker 2: my question would be, how did the dealer diagnose it?

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Speaker 2: You know? Was it oh you know, hey, Steve, you're

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Speaker 2: here fro an oil change anything else here. Once in

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Speaker 2: a while, the lock cylinder, the ignition key won't release. Okay, Well,

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Speaker 2: our guys diagnosed it. It's a bad lock cylinder. Well

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Speaker 2: Because everything I'm talking to you about, I kind of

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Speaker 2: I hope I get lucky. Right, you know, there's and

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Speaker 2: sure he feels bad. Right, here's your guy and all

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Speaker 2: he verify position by scan tool?

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Speaker 4: I don't know right?

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Speaker 2: And and then did he use an oe part or

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Speaker 2: every after market part is bad. And listen, there's times

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Speaker 2: I'll only use an aftermarket part. But in this case,

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Speaker 2: got some homework, Steven, But there are no bulletins. Even

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Speaker 2: You've got some things to do, and look at you.

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Speaker 2: Give us a call back, let us know what happens.

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Speaker 2: I'm running Ny in the card doctor. We'll be back

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Speaker 2: right after this.

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Speaker 3: Day.

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Speaker 2: Yay from the city streets to the open rolling.

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Speaker 3: If your run needs help, Ron, we'll keep you rolling. Rock.

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Speaker 1: Here's a card doctor, doctor cardvist.

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Speaker 2: Hey, let's go over and talk to Mike and Iowa. Mike,

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the card Doctor, Sir. How can I help? Yes, sir,

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Speaker 2: what's going on?

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Speaker 3: Ron? Seventeen GMC sier era five point three gas of

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Speaker 2: Miles still going okay?

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Speaker 3: Active few men, Yeah, Act no problems, but I plan

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Speaker 3: on keeping the truck. I'm retired, but I do put

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Speaker 3: get the computer flashed to eliminate the AFM system. I

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Speaker 3: two port if I said that, right, the mechanic the

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Speaker 3: mechanical or I can do the mechanical delete, which I

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Speaker 3: still have to get the computer reflashed. But I just

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Speaker 2: I haven't you know, there's a lot of the plug

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Speaker 2: So I'm sort of of the mind that, you know,

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Speaker 2: AFM delete, aren't we better off just trying to eliminate

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Speaker 2: Because what if the truck runs a quarter million miles

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Speaker 3: Right, That's what I'm hoping for, But you never know.

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Speaker 2: Right right? Well, yeah, and that's you know I'm trying

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Speaker 2: It's a it's a poorly designed system. It's problematic, and

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Speaker 2: and get the most. If this was a thirty thousand

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Speaker 2: first time, I think that's a different conversation. But this

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Speaker 2: it doesn't, because the odds show us it won't. Right,

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Speaker 2: So I think this is you know, I'm here to

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Speaker 2: case of let's do the let's do the module at

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Speaker 2: the OBD two port. And there's so many of them

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Speaker 2: That's why I always say, that's why they make forums.

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Speaker 2: does it work or doesn't it. But as far as

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Speaker 2: I don't see the value in that. And you know,

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Speaker 2: because it's extensive to pull lifters out of these, you

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Speaker 2: have to pull the heads anyway, and at that point,

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Speaker 2: why don't we just swing an engine? But we don't

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Speaker 2: need to, so all of a sudden it becomes a

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Speaker 4: I do that.

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Speaker 3: The mechanical deletes around five grand in my area by

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Speaker 3: buy a good shop, right, and you got Shade Tree

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Speaker 3: guys that will do it for three thousand and thirty

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Speaker 2: Right and you well and you can, yeah, and you can.

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Speaker 2: You can go buy a module for one hundred and

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Speaker 2: fifty bucks on Amazon plugging in and see how it works.

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Speaker 5: Gotcha.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's well, that's what I've been exploring those options,

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Speaker 2: Out there, because because frankly, and think of it like this.

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Speaker 2: Let's say you do it. Let's say you do an

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Speaker 2: What's it going to cost to put an engine in

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Speaker 2: the truck? Eight nine? Yeah? So you know, why would

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Speaker 2: we spend five to do a delete on a you know,

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Speaker 2: nine years, one hundred and fifty thousand mile older engine.

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Speaker 2: Wouldn't it be more practical? Because what if we get

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Speaker 2: five years out of this? We're gambling. Let's think of

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Speaker 2: it like this, all right, we're gambling one hundred and

433
00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:18,399
Speaker 2: fifty bucks or five grand, and that five grand doesn't

434
00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:20,320
Speaker 2: ensures that the bottom end is going to hold together

435
00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:22,480
Speaker 2: and you know, or not have a ring or an

436
00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:24,639
Speaker 2: oil or consumption problem.

437
00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:28,800
Speaker 3: Right, Okay, I think I think I see where you're

438
00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:33,680
Speaker 3: at five grand for a mechanical mechanical elite and then

439
00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:37,800
Speaker 3: have a lower end problem, right, and then I'm out

440
00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:40,680
Speaker 3: five grand or I can do the module and if

441
00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:43,000
Speaker 3: it runs for several more years.

442
00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:47,520
Speaker 2: And I do lose the engine, right by then, by

443
00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:50,359
Speaker 2: by then a replacement Silverado will be one hundred thousand

444
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:53,119
Speaker 2: dollars and you'll be happy to spend. You'll be happy

445
00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:55,920
Speaker 2: to spend fifteen grand to twenty to swing an engine

446
00:23:55,920 --> 00:24:02,200
Speaker 2: in a transit it and drive it another fifteen years, right, right.

447
00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:05,920
Speaker 3: Well, that's that was what I was wanting to hear

448
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,720
Speaker 3: from you, And not that I wanted to hear that exactly,

449
00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:12,639
Speaker 3: but that's what I was leaning towards, and I wanted

450
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:13,520
Speaker 3: your opinion on it.

451
00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:16,840
Speaker 2: No, you know, we're trying to do the least to

452
00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:21,400
Speaker 2: get the most. And frankly, if it's something you're gonna

453
00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:23,000
Speaker 2: toe with and something you're gonna put a lot of

454
00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:25,840
Speaker 2: miles on and you're going to work the truck. You've

455
00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:28,720
Speaker 2: got to know, you know that you're getting the most

456
00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:31,720
Speaker 2: bang for your buck, because the other side of this

457
00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:36,520
Speaker 2: is if it goes another five years, in fifteen years,

458
00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:40,879
Speaker 2: think of it like this, In fifteen years, will you

459
00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:42,840
Speaker 2: be able to get any parts for the twenty seventeen?

460
00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:47,920
Speaker 2: Probably not right, And that's an issue. And you guys

461
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:50,080
Speaker 2: hear me talk about this all the time, but trust me,

462
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:54,480
Speaker 2: it is. So it's such a predominant problem out there

463
00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:56,360
Speaker 2: right now, and it has been for the past five

464
00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:59,960
Speaker 2: or six years, that the quality of parts, the availability

465
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:05,520
Speaker 2: of parts, the you know, it's a changing target every day.

466
00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:09,440
Speaker 2: And I really think I used to I used to

467
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:11,240
Speaker 2: say this a lot, and I still say it, but

468
00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:13,680
Speaker 2: I believe it even more now if I'm saying that correctly.

469
00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:16,560
Speaker 2: That I think part of what you're paying a mechanic

470
00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:19,840
Speaker 2: for is it's like you go to a restaurant. You

471
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:21,439
Speaker 2: ever go to a restaurant and have them make you

472
00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:26,040
Speaker 2: a salad, lettuce, tomatoes, onions, peppers, Right, You can do

473
00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:29,240
Speaker 2: the same thing at home, but you don't why because

474
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 2: you're counting on that chef to know where to get

475
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:34,879
Speaker 2: the ingredients from. You're counting on your mechanic where he

476
00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:37,679
Speaker 2: should get the best parts from because he knows what

477
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:41,960
Speaker 2: works and he knows what's available, and it's becoming such

478
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:46,040
Speaker 2: a parts issue that twelve to fifteen years from today,

479
00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:49,040
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, another two to five years from today, when

480
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:52,760
Speaker 2: that truck is twelve to fifteen years old? Are you

481
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:54,800
Speaker 2: gonna be able to get power window regulators? Are you gonna

482
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:56,239
Speaker 2: be able to get a starter? You're gonna be you know,

483
00:25:56,359 --> 00:26:00,480
Speaker 2: you start thinking, you start wondering. You know, we we see,

484
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:03,800
Speaker 2: we see some really you can't buy and I'm off

485
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 2: topic a little bit here. You can't buy a break

486
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:09,480
Speaker 2: master cylinder for an nine Ford f one fifty from

487
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:14,439
Speaker 2: Ford anymore? Think about that. How many f one fifties

488
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:17,359
Speaker 2: you think are on the road from nine, ten, eleven, twelve, right,

489
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:18,359
Speaker 2: a couple million?

490
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:21,639
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, Ford does not.

491
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:25,399
Speaker 2: Ford no longer carries a Master cylinder for that truck.

492
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:32,280
Speaker 2: Where are we going? All right, kiddo?

493
00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:39,320
Speaker 3: Hey Ron, thank you for your wisdom, and enjoy your show.

494
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 3: I listened to it on Sundays on WTAX in Springfield, Illinois.

495
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:46,920
Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Mike. I'm happy to I'm happy

496
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:50,560
Speaker 2: to have you all right, all right, enjoy your truck, sir,

497
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:53,040
Speaker 2: you'll be well, Yes, sir, thank you. I'm running any

498
00:26:53,040 --> 00:27:14,240
Speaker 2: in the Car Doctor. We're back right after this. Hey, hey, hey,

499
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:16,440
Speaker 2: five five, five six zero nine nine zero zero. Let's

500
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 2: go over to Sandy in New Hampshire. Sandy, welcome to

501
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:19,400
Speaker 2: the Car Doctor. How can I help?

502
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:22,399
Speaker 5: Thank you, Ron, thank you for having your show. I

503
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:23,200
Speaker 5: really enjoy it.

504
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 2: Thank you so much.

505
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:28,439
Speaker 5: I'm in the market getting close to it anyway for

506
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:35,400
Speaker 5: a newer vehicle to couldn't show off. Maybe next Monter

507
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:38,840
Speaker 5: or a couple more Winters. I'm looking at the Outlander

508
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:45,119
Speaker 5: Sport series and they have this three mode drive system

509
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:47,679
Speaker 5: and it sounds really good. We get a lot of

510
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 5: snow up here in New Hampshire and the roads aren't

511
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 5: the greatest. But what is your opinion?

512
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 2: What were you driving? What were you driving prior.

513
00:27:55,520 --> 00:28:00,359
Speaker 5: Sandy, that Toyota Tursell the nineteen ninety two that my

514
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:03,919
Speaker 5: husband sends talking to you about a few weeks now.

515
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 2: Have you been have you been able to well, have

516
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 2: you been able to get around in that ninety two

517
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 2: ter cell?

518
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:10,480
Speaker 4: Yeah?

519
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:13,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, And he finally had the head head gas get

520
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:16,160
Speaker 5: out and all that, and now it's in tip top

521
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:19,680
Speaker 5: shape from hedge to sow okay, and we both thank

522
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:21,440
Speaker 5: you for your help over the phone. Here.

523
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:25,880
Speaker 2: Oh, you're very welcome. So why am Mitsubishi? And there's

524
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 2: a reason I'm asking this, And here's where I'm going.

525
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:31,639
Speaker 2: Let me jump ahead to the answer. So, anytime I

526
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 2: buy a car, I always I you know, it's new

527
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 2: until I roll it off the lot. And then who's

528
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 2: who's going to fix it? Where am I going to

529
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:44,920
Speaker 2: get parts for it? What's what's the reliability availability? And

530
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 2: so on? You know, everybody, everybody's in love on the honeymoon,

531
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden we're home. You know,

532
00:28:54,160 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 2: things change, right, So you know, Mitsubishi, I'm not saying

533
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 2: it's a bad car, but there's a whole lot less

534
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 2: less Mitsubishi dealers in the country than there are Toyota, Honda,

535
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 2: for GM, Chrysler, et cetera.

536
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:11,400
Speaker 5: Makes you wonder why.

537
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 2: Okay, Right, So you know in New Jersey, let's see,

538
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:21,520
Speaker 2: I think it's probably a ratio of five Toyota dealers

539
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 2: for every one Mitsubishi, if it's even that high. If

540
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 2: it's not even higher, it's it's you know, they're just

541
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:30,480
Speaker 2: so you know, it's great if you're buying from a

542
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 2: local Mitsubishi dealer and he's a half hour from the

543
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 2: house in New Hampshire and he's gonna be there for

544
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 2: the next ten years. Yeah, but you know, you start

545
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 2: to think about what if, and you know, as long

546
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 2: as you're able and willing to put up with the

547
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 2: what if of well, the dealer's gone. Now I'm going

548
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 2: to find my local mechanic to work on it, and

549
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 2: he's going to make a commitment to it. Because what

550
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 2: you're describing to me the three mode driving.

551
00:29:57,480 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 5: System, Yes, please tell me.

552
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 2: You know it's you're going into something that's all will

553
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:09,320
Speaker 2: drive with three different levels of driving capability and handling

554
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 2: the roads. But if what you've got handles the roads,

555
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 2: you know, my father has been dead since nineteen sixty eight,

556
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 2: but I still remember him telling my mother, you need

557
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 2: a refrigerator. It's got to be white cold, the light

558
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 2: goes on and you can maybe have an ice maker.

559
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:26,040
Speaker 2: Beyond that, it doesn't need to do anything else. It's

560
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 2: just got to keep the food cold. And if this

561
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 2: is if this is working, why change for the sake

562
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:32,000
Speaker 2: of change?

563
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, Well, real quick, I don't go out too much

564
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:40,720
Speaker 5: in the winter, and either that's my husband and the Toyota.

565
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 5: We only put it out there if he's got to

566
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 5: go to the store for groceries or I do. And

567
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 5: so it's not all that great in the snow unless

568
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 5: it has really good tires on it. And the price

569
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 5: is what's getting me. I'm on my way out. I'm

570
00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 5: figuring out maybe I have ten good years left. Okay,

571
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 5: So twenty eight thousand, it's like a throwaway there.

572
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 2: I knew that this was going to come into the

573
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 2: conversation of Ron this is my last car. I knew

574
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 2: that you did.

575
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 5: Our Plymouth grand Voyager put it a transmission in it

576
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 5: many years ago.

577
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 2: Oh good lord.

578
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 5: It was still in perfect condition, and we gave it

579
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 5: to an old gentleman in Pennsylvania and he loves you

580
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 5: for it.

581
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 2: I just you know what, if the dealer's going to

582
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 2: be there, and you've got a good local guy to

583
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 2: work on it, and you can put some extended warranty

584
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 2: on it and have coverage. Look, if you can get

585
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 2: five years out of the car, great. After five years,

586
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 2: all bets are off. If driving that car for the

587
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 2: next five years sandy makes you feel comfortable and happy, yeah,

588
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 2: then do it.

589
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 4: You know.

590
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 2: But from a longevity point of view. I don't think

591
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 2: mitcha Bishi's at the top of my list. I just don't.

592
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 2: So but go drive it and day and night. Make

593
00:31:57,840 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 2: sure you get a good feel for the car, and

594
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 2: just consider it Toyota of comparable size, and think about

595
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 2: the dollars in between. I hope I helped. I'm run

596
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 2: an ady and the car doctor. I'm back right after this,

597
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 2: So where and how do I close this hour? And

598
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 2: I think, you know, looking back at it, I think

599
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 2: this hour was indicative of what we saw in the

600
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 2: shop this week. The questions of you know, repair failure,

601
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 2: that the lack of diagnostics, the approach, the bedside manner

602
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 2: of the attending physician and all. It all really comes

603
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 2: down to that. For Steve who went to the dealership,

604
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 2: and I bet it was a quote unquote cheap oil change.

605
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 2: That was the That was the you know, the the

606
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 2: buy one get one free in the door. Maybe I'm assuming.

607
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 2: I don't want to assume. I don't want to put

608
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 2: Steve in a bed light, but I just wonder, you know,

609
00:32:56,960 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 2: if you have a relationship with your mechanic, is he's

610
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 2: your guy? Why are you getting that oil change? It's

611
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 2: a twenty one. It can't be covered if you don't

612
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:08,240
Speaker 2: trust your mechanics to do the oil change, but the

613
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 2: hard job. That doesn't make sense to me because now

614
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 2: you've got, like I said to him, you've got horses

615
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 2: switched in midstream, and now we want to how do

616
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 2: you go back over that? Do you, as a consumer,

617
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 2: and here's your homework, do you set yourself up to

618
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 2: succeed or fail at order repair? Do you have a guy?

619
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 2: Is that guy predicated on price? You know that restaurant

620
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 2: that gives you indigestion, but hey, it's always there and

621
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 2: we get great service, but the food's bad, you know?

622
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 2: Or or you know how good of a restaurant would

623
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 2: that repair shop be? And that's what you got to

624
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:46,680
Speaker 2: ask yourself, because order repair now and for the future,

625
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 2: it's about the relationship and the diagnosis that has to

626
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 2: be done, not just throwing parts. I'm running any in

627
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 2: the car, doctor, Good mechanics aren't expensive, they're priceless. See

628
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 2: doctor cur advice. Don't ride