WEBVTT - Selects: How Clowns Work

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<v Speaker 1>Hello, everyone. Are you scared of clowns? I'm not. I

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<v Speaker 1>think clowns are pretty fun and awesome. But a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people are scared of clowns. So we explain why

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<v Speaker 1>because there is a reason. And we talked about all

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<v Speaker 1>things clowns in this episode from April, and it's called

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<v Speaker 1>How Clowns Work. Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, a

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<v Speaker 1>production of I Heart Radio. Hey, and welcome to the podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Joe, Joe. There's Chuckles. This is Stuff you Should

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<v Speaker 1>Know the podcast, and there's Jerry. She has a regular name. Hey.

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<v Speaker 1>That was pretty good. Thanks. They could have also this

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<v Speaker 1>could also be like how late night talk show hosts

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<v Speaker 1>work too. Yeah, Krusty the clown was on my mind

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<v Speaker 1>during a lot of this. I thought that was your

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<v Speaker 1>Steth Meyers. No funny guy. I did he say that?

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<v Speaker 1>It was just completely ludicrous joke. I haven't watched this

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<v Speaker 1>show yet. I haven't even I like the guy though,

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<v Speaker 1>good guy. I don't watch anything but Conan. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't even watch Conan really. Yeah. I do want Hodgemans on.

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<v Speaker 1>I record it, you know, and then watch it the

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<v Speaker 1>next day. Yeah. I don't stay up the whatever time.

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<v Speaker 1>I canna say geez, I guess you don't go to

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<v Speaker 1>Early Bird for dinner anymore either. Yeah, you have to watch. Hey.

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<v Speaker 1>Speaking of Conan, big shout out to Brian Kylie, Rob

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<v Speaker 1>Kuttner and Dan Cronin when seth Meyers. No, they are

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<v Speaker 1>writers for Conan and they treated me to launch. That

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<v Speaker 1>was very nice at Warner Brothers. Thanks for inviting me, guys,

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<v Speaker 1>and uh, Conan. If you think we get neat fan gifts,

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<v Speaker 1>you ought to see the stuff Conan gets. Oh, man,

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<v Speaker 1>like what well there was? Well, I met the master

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<v Speaker 1>baiting bear guy who I won't reveal his name he

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<v Speaker 1>probably should, but he's the guy that's done it all

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<v Speaker 1>these years. And someone sent him like a four ft

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<v Speaker 1>tall treat round can carved bear them bear. Really Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it was beautiful. I got pictures all this. And then

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<v Speaker 1>Conan has a life size Lego Conan that someone sent

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<v Speaker 1>him that's pretty neat, and a life size a hundred

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<v Speaker 1>thousand dollars worth of Legos probably is. And then a

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<v Speaker 1>life size ConA made of pencils that was really neat looking. Yeah. Wow,

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<v Speaker 1>So they just had the stuff. I was like, man,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I like our little photoshop stuff, but you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Cooper needs to step it up. Nice life size lego

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<v Speaker 1>Josh and chucking it would be kind of cool. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>I just want to say thanks to those guys. They

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<v Speaker 1>are awesome and they're supporters of us. Thanks guys, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>supporters of you at least. And they're clowns. That was

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<v Speaker 1>a great segaway, Dude, great Is that why you thank

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<v Speaker 1>them in this episode? Sure? Because they're clowns. That that

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<v Speaker 1>was good. You've scared of clowns. I'm not scared of clowns,

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<v Speaker 1>not at all. I mean the scary clowns that are

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to be scary and horror movies are creepy, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>But like, I don't have any kind of a phobia.

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<v Speaker 1>What's it called the official phobia clurro phobia, right, which

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<v Speaker 1>also includes um it's unofficial, by the way, the real thing. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>It also includes things like costumed characters like Mickey Mouse

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<v Speaker 1>and um, stuff like that. It's not just clowns, right, right,

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<v Speaker 1>So it's a The d s M, which is the

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<v Speaker 1>infallible Bible of psychology and psychiatry, UM has an entry

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<v Speaker 1>for fear of clowns, lumped together with other childhood fear

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<v Speaker 1>of costume characters that one I can I can identify

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<v Speaker 1>what I think I ran away from, like snow White

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<v Speaker 1>or something at Disney World when I was a kid,

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<v Speaker 1>And there's just always been something about somebody being dressed

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<v Speaker 1>up in costume that I've found unnerving. I'm gonna scare

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of kids. I'm not overtly afraid of clown sure,

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<v Speaker 1>but just costume people. And I get that, like I

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<v Speaker 1>get like, you know, what are you hiding kind of thing,

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<v Speaker 1>which I think is in arms the basis of color

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<v Speaker 1>a phobia. Yeah, and a lot of the show, it

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<v Speaker 1>turns out it's going to be about that because it's

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<v Speaker 1>one of the most interesting parts of clowning. But um,

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<v Speaker 1>one guy later on in this article put it, it

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<v Speaker 1>makes sense. It's like some clowns are just not great

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<v Speaker 1>at it, and you know, well, like yeah, like lungeon

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<v Speaker 1>a kid or something. And he says, they seem like

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<v Speaker 1>they're on the attack. And he said a big part

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<v Speaker 1>of teaching clowning is to teach personal space and like

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<v Speaker 1>how to not come at a kid because they think

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<v Speaker 1>you look weird exchange, and if you come at him

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<v Speaker 1>like too fast, then it's it might scare him. And

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<v Speaker 1>especially these days to like clowns today are still following

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<v Speaker 1>a tradition from the early to mid twentie century. Kids

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<v Speaker 1>today aren't really hip with the mid twenty century. They're

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<v Speaker 1>not into like mid century modern like art or design

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<v Speaker 1>or anything like that, and so clowns are about as

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<v Speaker 1>creepy to them as like an old wooden toy, right right,

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<v Speaker 1>It's just awful little, it's uncan ex don't get it.

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<v Speaker 1>And as a result, there's this two thousand and eight

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<v Speaker 1>UM study to the UK that the BBC reported on

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<v Speaker 1>that found that most of the children in this study,

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<v Speaker 1>I think there was like two fifty population sample UM

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<v Speaker 1>feared and or disliked clowns. Yeah, most of the kids

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<v Speaker 1>in the study. That's a lot of sad clowns, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and a lot of scared kids. So I think the

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<v Speaker 1>point is to just keep clowns and kids away from

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<v Speaker 1>one another. All right, are you ready to go back

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<v Speaker 1>in time? Yes, happen the old way back machine. It's

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<v Speaker 1>London and it's eight oh three, and there's a man

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<v Speaker 1>named Joseph Grimaldi, and he, for all intents and purposes,

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<v Speaker 1>has just invented the modern what we now think no

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<v Speaker 1>as the clown yeah, very purposefully too, got the white makeup.

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<v Speaker 1>They still call clowns Joey's yeah, because that was his

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<v Speaker 1>character name. That's a nickname for clowns. Oh. He was.

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<v Speaker 1>He huge, like not only did he invent clowns, and

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<v Speaker 1>like today still they they you know, tip their clown

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<v Speaker 1>hat at Grimaldi for inventing the clown he um. In

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<v Speaker 1>his day he was huge. There was a legend that

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<v Speaker 1>supposedly an eighth of the population of London had seen

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<v Speaker 1>him on stage. There's a lot of people and still

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<v Speaker 1>today on London's East End there um as a church

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<v Speaker 1>that has an annual mass in his honor and everyone

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<v Speaker 1>comes in full clown makeup and costume to church. For Grimaldi,

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<v Speaker 1>he was a big deal. He was very very famous

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<v Speaker 1>for the time. He was a very well known person.

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<v Speaker 1>And he had a contemporary too at about the same

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<v Speaker 1>time in France named de Brow, and both of them

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<v Speaker 1>oddly were um they had really kind of sad backstories. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll get to that. That's sort of lends itself, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't mean to get ahead of ourselves. That lends itself

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<v Speaker 1>to the dark underbelly of clowning and why it might

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<v Speaker 1>have this reputation. But what clowning really sprung from was uh,

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<v Speaker 1>from the beginning of time almost there were jesters essentially

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<v Speaker 1>um and all types of all all over the world

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<v Speaker 1>and all cultures. Yeah, it seems to be universal. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>There were at least as far back as the like

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<v Speaker 1>bc UM in Egypt, in China there are already jesters, uh, pranksters, clowns, tricksters,

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<v Speaker 1>something of that ilk mischief makers. Yeah, and and in

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<v Speaker 1>totally disparate societies that never met one another, like um

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<v Speaker 1>in Native America. Different Native American society has had some

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<v Speaker 1>version of the clown or the jester. Yeah. During a

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<v Speaker 1>natural Navajo ritual, chance they would clowns would come into

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<v Speaker 1>disrupt performances, bump into the dancers, Pueblo clowns they would

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<v Speaker 1>have a sacred offering and they would come bouncing in

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<v Speaker 1>and and kind of mock what was going on and

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<v Speaker 1>maybe like to elude sex act in the middle of

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<v Speaker 1>very serious ceremony to the gods. Yeah, it was the spirits.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a that's a big deal. That's an an unusual

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<v Speaker 1>role for someone to play. Sometimes they were considered shamans,

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<v Speaker 1>like they were imbued with some sort of power as well. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>they were. They were held in high esteem. The same

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<v Speaker 1>thing went on in Japan with the Taikomochi. Right, it

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<v Speaker 1>means drum bear, drum bearer. Uh. They were in the

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<v Speaker 1>red light districts and apparently uh in the late sixteen hundreds.

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<v Speaker 1>Their deal was when the when the party starts to wane,

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<v Speaker 1>they were to bounce in and like get the party

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<v Speaker 1>started again. Hey hey yeah, And they were actually the

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<v Speaker 1>original geisha. They were men and they were later replaced

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<v Speaker 1>by women. But the Tychomochi were the original versions of

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<v Speaker 1>the geisha, and the Taychomochi in the red light district

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<v Speaker 1>actually ended up there because this period of peace settled

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<v Speaker 1>over Japan. Because prior to that they were court jesters

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<v Speaker 1>and also like military advisors. So once they weren't needed

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<v Speaker 1>for that, they ended up in the red light district,

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<v Speaker 1>like let's get this party party started. Yeah. So in India,

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<v Speaker 1>the the official jesters there were a member of the Brahmin,

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<v Speaker 1>which was the highest social class. Right, Yeah, that's where

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<v Speaker 1>that's the class that up. Who's a member of? Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>Really did he say that? That's what his mom said

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<v Speaker 1>when he thinks she thinks that who's married to Marge.

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<v Speaker 1>She goes, surely your children are aware of your brahm

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<v Speaker 1>in heritage embarkoes, so long as there's no follow up questions. Absolutely, fully, man,

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<v Speaker 1>that's a good one. Your knowledge is way deeper than mine.

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<v Speaker 1>For the Simpsons too much. I think I stopped watching

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<v Speaker 1>before you did too, but you still watch, right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I fell off again, yeah, on again, off again. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>all right. So we're in India and the Brahmin they uh.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the things you'll notice over and over here

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<v Speaker 1>with jesters is what they really are are satirists. And

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<v Speaker 1>their job is too and they were the only ones

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<v Speaker 1>that could do this really was to poke fun at

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<v Speaker 1>the leaders. They would they would never bounce in and

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<v Speaker 1>talk about how great the king is. They would bounce

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<v Speaker 1>in and talk about how fat the king is and

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<v Speaker 1>make jokes about like how many meals have you had today? Well, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and so there. Their Their role was to say, um,

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<v Speaker 1>poke holes into the king's stupid ideas. Whereas the rest

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<v Speaker 1>of the court would be like, oh, great idea, Um,

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<v Speaker 1>you should paint the Great Wall of China. Whereas the

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<v Speaker 1>gesture would be like, yeah, that's a great idea. Where

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<v Speaker 1>you going to get all that paint from your dummy. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>speaking of China, I think they had some of the

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<v Speaker 1>best names. Um, they have a great tradition of clowning,

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<v Speaker 1>and they had legends named twisty pole. Uh, Baldi Chuny

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<v Speaker 1>that's the name of the podcast. That's a good one.

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<v Speaker 1>And this one I don't get moving bucket. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>get that one either. It probably makes sense in Chinese.

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<v Speaker 1>Another one I came across was newly polished mirror. Really

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<v Speaker 1>was the name of a clown. That's no Bally chun though.

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<v Speaker 1>Interesting uh. And then in Poland, Um, there was a

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<v Speaker 1>legendary jester named Stanzik and I looked up this guy.

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<v Speaker 1>He was. He was a legend beyond clowning. He was

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<v Speaker 1>like the political satirist of his day. He worked for

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<v Speaker 1>three different kings and was very intelligent, political philosopher and satirist.

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<v Speaker 1>That Uh, it's still like revered in Poland, as you know,

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<v Speaker 1>a necessary thing. Yeah. Supposedly one of his most famous

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<v Speaker 1>stories was the king of Poland that he was working

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<v Speaker 1>for had a bear imported from I think Russia or something,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe Prussia, and UM let it loose so he could

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<v Speaker 1>hunt it, and the bear came back with the king

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<v Speaker 1>and the court and the queen and like almost killed everybody.

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<v Speaker 1>And um, the king later criticised stand Chick for running off,

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<v Speaker 1>and stan Chick said, well, it was smarter than letting

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<v Speaker 1>a cage bear loose something along those lines, and the

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<v Speaker 1>king was like, oh touche, and everyone laughed, and then

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<v Speaker 1>the bear eight the king. Uh. In ancient Rome, chuckers, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>they used to call the court jester's stupidest stupidest Huh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that makes sense. Uh. Grimaldi himself came out of the

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<v Speaker 1>rich tradition in Italy, um called the Comedia del Arte tradition.

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<v Speaker 1>And uh, this is in the fourteenth century, and it

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<v Speaker 1>was some people say these were like the first professional

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<v Speaker 1>actors in the world. We're coming out of Italy at

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<v Speaker 1>the time in this program, right. So at the time,

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<v Speaker 1>you were basically if you were a clown or a

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<v Speaker 1>jester or something, you were probably a member of a court.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're an member of a Native American tribe or

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<v Speaker 1>um in most parts of Africa, and you were a jester,

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<v Speaker 1>you belong to the community rather than the specific leader. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>But in Europe and China and Egypt and all over

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<v Speaker 1>wherever there was royalty, there was usually a jester of

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<v Speaker 1>some sort, right, But one of the ways that jester spread,

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<v Speaker 1>especially saying in Europe, was from UM a jester being

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<v Speaker 1>forced to hit the road first, stepping over the line,

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<v Speaker 1>basically getting kicked out. And that's one way that it

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<v Speaker 1>kind of spread. Clowning originally spread to the masses was

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<v Speaker 1>you may run across the court jesters down on his

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<v Speaker 1>luck traveling along the road because he's got kicked out

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<v Speaker 1>of courts, like I got all this great material exactly,

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<v Speaker 1>but he's still a jester. He's gonna make you laugh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. Yeah, that makes sense, so that it's interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>I think the king's tolerated to a certain degree, but

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<v Speaker 1>if they're having a bad day, they're just like, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>you're out of here, exactly. Yeah. And there's there's UM

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<v Speaker 1>at least some debate over whether how how much of

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<v Speaker 1>the idea that a jester was the only one who

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<v Speaker 1>could speak his mind towards the king UM. Not that

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<v Speaker 1>the idea was that more people in the court could

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<v Speaker 1>speak their mind, but that the jesture couldn't even speak

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<v Speaker 1>their mind. In some cases, there were some documented versions

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<v Speaker 1>like UM, the one in Persia Kareem Charay, who um

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<v Speaker 1>told the king has the shahnzzardin apparently said is there

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<v Speaker 1>a short of shortage of food? And uh Kareem Sharay said, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I see that, your majesty is eating only five times

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<v Speaker 1>a day. And he made this little bow tie spin,

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<v Speaker 1>but he got the point across that, Yeah, it's a

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<v Speaker 1>shortage of food and you're not helping anything. You're cloister

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<v Speaker 1>it up here in your ivory tower. And um, you

0:14:39.160 --> 0:14:41.760
<v Speaker 1>need to open up your eyes, your majesty. I'd like

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<v Speaker 1>to see some of Baldi chunyus material. I would love

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<v Speaker 1>to see that too. I bet he killed Oh bet

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<v Speaker 1>he did as well, Chuck. So we'll get to what

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<v Speaker 1>clowning is specifically right after this. All right, clowning, my friend,

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<v Speaker 1>is a lot of things, but what it is in

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<v Speaker 1>all cases is exaggeration. Um, movements are exaggerated, your appearances exaggerated.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why they wear big goofy suits and big goofy shoes.

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<v Speaker 1>The makeup to makeup. Of course, a lot of people

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<v Speaker 1>look at a clown and say you're disguising something. The

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<v Speaker 1>point of clown makeup is quite the opposite. It's meant

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<v Speaker 1>to exaggerate the emotions that are already there. Yeah, like

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<v Speaker 1>the big, huge smile or frown, the big frown yeah. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>And I've read one pro clowns um description of what

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<v Speaker 1>clowning means, and he said, clowns aren't actors. We're not

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to pretend. What clowns do is exaggerate the the

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<v Speaker 1>emotions that we already have inside. So if you're a

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<v Speaker 1>really good clown, you're going to play up, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the the um anger at being rebuffed when you're trying

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<v Speaker 1>to get a laugh from somebody, or you're gonna play

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<v Speaker 1>up your stage fight at performing in front of some people.

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<v Speaker 1>Like when you see a clown like acting a certain way,

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<v Speaker 1>you're you're supposed to understand that what they're they're actually

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<v Speaker 1>feeling that right then it's just being it's it's being

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<v Speaker 1>broadcast on a clown scale. Yeah. And part of that

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<v Speaker 1>is for comedic effect, and part of it is uh

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<v Speaker 1>quite literally because in a circus, uh, you have a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of people and you may may be sitting very

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<v Speaker 1>far away from you. So these big movements and the

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<v Speaker 1>slapstick um, which actually I never knew this slapstick was

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<v Speaker 1>an actual physical tool. Never heard of that. Yeah, it was.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like looks like a paddle with another paddle hinge

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<v Speaker 1>to it. And back in the old days of the

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<v Speaker 1>Comedia dell Arte in Italy, they would um strike someone

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<v Speaker 1>with this paddle and then of course the other paddle

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<v Speaker 1>on the hinge would smack really hard on the on

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<v Speaker 1>the wood and so they could hit someone, not too hard,

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<v Speaker 1>but make a sound, huge sound like they had been

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<v Speaker 1>hit really hard. And that's where slapstick comes from. That's

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<v Speaker 1>the word slapstick. And um, we keep mentioning Comedia dell Art. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>that's where Grimaldi came out of. And this was the

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<v Speaker 1>original place where the clown really first made it onto

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<v Speaker 1>stage because remember when Comedia dell Art was establishing itself,

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<v Speaker 1>for the most part, clowns were relegated to court gester

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<v Speaker 1>ship right yeah, and then mimes later, Yeah, we're relegated

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<v Speaker 1>to parks. I guess so, right exactly. Um, So Comedia

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<v Speaker 1>dell Art was this, um, this player production, and in

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<v Speaker 1>the middle of it, or in different points, um, there'd

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<v Speaker 1>be like a break or an intermission or something like that,

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<v Speaker 1>and that would come like the jugglers and the baton twirlers,

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<v Speaker 1>and there were also little skits and sketches and plays

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<v Speaker 1>themselves that were intended for comic relief. And one of

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<v Speaker 1>those is called the harlequin Aide, and Harlequin you recognize

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<v Speaker 1>Harlequin is one of the jokers, the jesters, that kind

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<v Speaker 1>of thing. Um, there's actually a character in the harlequin

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<v Speaker 1>Aie that was a clown, and Grimaldi originally played that character.

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<v Speaker 1>And that character was um, kind of a bumpkin, a

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<v Speaker 1>rustic rube. And as a matter of fact, the word

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<v Speaker 1>clown supposedly comes from a sixteenth century German word for

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<v Speaker 1>like a country bumpkin. Um, So that was the original character. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>Grimaldi came along in about eight hundred and started playing

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<v Speaker 1>this in the pantomime, which was that break in the

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<v Speaker 1>Comedia dell Art relief exactly. And then the Harlequinade was

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<v Speaker 1>a a little mini play that was a panomime in

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<v Speaker 1>the Comedia dell Art, right, And then the clown was

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<v Speaker 1>a character in the Harlequinade, and Grimaldi played it. But

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<v Speaker 1>he said, you know what, I'm not feeling this country

0:18:41.960 --> 0:18:46.280
<v Speaker 1>bumpkin thing. I think this guy's actually highly sophisticated, very smart,

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<v Speaker 1>hilarious embody. And he started to play the character like that,

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<v Speaker 1>and all of a sudden, the clown went from a

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<v Speaker 1>minor supporting character to the reason that people were coming

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<v Speaker 1>to the Comedia dell Art Productions the pan mine. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so they were stealing the thunder of the legit actors. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And from that moment, the clown went from specifically a

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<v Speaker 1>rustic country boob to the clown that we start to

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<v Speaker 1>understand today with face pain and like colored hair and everything.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you just laugh because I said boom, No, I

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<v Speaker 1>just rustic Country Boob sounded like the name of like

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<v Speaker 1>my memoir or something. It just struck me as a

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<v Speaker 1>nice titles. I just want a small, small royalty when

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<v Speaker 1>you publish those, Okay, except I would be Rustic City Boob. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, sort of play on that whole thing. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that big it's even better man Sharknado and now the

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<v Speaker 1>title for your memoirs, You're on fire. Um So clowning.

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<v Speaker 1>One thing that you'll also notice the clowns do a

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<v Speaker 1>lot and this is not every clown, but a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of clowning involves um play violence like slapstick. Yeah, Like

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<v Speaker 1>they're hitting It's like the three students, they're hitting each

0:20:00.600 --> 0:20:03.520
<v Speaker 1>other a lot they're knocking each other down. Um, A

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<v Speaker 1>big clown thing to do is to like disrupt the

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<v Speaker 1>the legit act, Like we're clowns and we're gonna do

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<v Speaker 1>uh this neat thing where we all hold this ladder

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<v Speaker 1>and climate and then another clown will come in and

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<v Speaker 1>bust the ladder down and everyone will fall and it's

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<v Speaker 1>all part of the act. But a lot of the

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<v Speaker 1>Navajo clowns, yeah, same thing basically to disrupt the act.

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<v Speaker 1>That's that's happening through violence, or they may just be

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<v Speaker 1>jerks and like smell my flour oaps you get a

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<v Speaker 1>squirt in the face. So if you're paying attention to

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<v Speaker 1>a group of clowns in their routine, you'll actually notice that, Um,

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<v Speaker 1>there's usually a very clear line of command. Yeah, there's

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<v Speaker 1>a hierarchy for sure. There actually is. That it depends

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<v Speaker 1>on You can tell who's in charge before the show

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<v Speaker 1>even starts based on their makeup. Actually it's it's um

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<v Speaker 1>delineated by that. Yeah. So first you've got the white

0:20:57.480 --> 0:21:00.280
<v Speaker 1>face clown, which Grimaldi was one. So is are the

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<v Speaker 1>clown who will talk about later. Um, but the white

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<v Speaker 1>face clown is the one who's in charge and going

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<v Speaker 1>back to the three stooges, They actually um get across

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<v Speaker 1>the hierarchy of clowns pretty clearly. So the white face

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<v Speaker 1>clown is mo. Absolutely, he's still a clown, um, but

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<v Speaker 1>he's Boston the other ones around. He's as signing job. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and he might be the the most um hostile out

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<v Speaker 1>of all of them. And then after that, and again,

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<v Speaker 1>the white face clown has completely white paint all over

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<v Speaker 1>his face and head and neck. Yeah, fringe counterpart you're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about, the clown that he created was a white

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<v Speaker 1>face clown. Um. The perrot p i e r r

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<v Speaker 1>O t pro sounds good and that's a kind of

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<v Speaker 1>clown as well. But the pierrot is a white face clown, right,

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<v Speaker 1>So the white face clown is in charge of he

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<v Speaker 1>or she is at the top of the heap. After

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<v Speaker 1>that you have the August clown. The August clown is

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<v Speaker 1>the one that um Usually they have that sloppy ver

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<v Speaker 1>sized um outfit, huge like suspenders hanging on hanging even

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<v Speaker 1>bigger pants up. Um. The makeup is probably like flesh toned, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but like the eyes will like be super arched and

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<v Speaker 1>like the smile will be really big and red. Probably

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<v Speaker 1>a big red nose, although I think them the white

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<v Speaker 1>face clown can have that too, But if you have

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<v Speaker 1>a white face and an August clown next to each other,

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<v Speaker 1>the August clown's red ball nose is probably going to

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<v Speaker 1>be a little bit bigger, and the August clown is

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<v Speaker 1>um definitely the one who takes orders from the white

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<v Speaker 1>face clown, but um also a little more um hilarious maybe,

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<v Speaker 1>so like the August clown would be um maybe Larry,

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<v Speaker 1>probably curly though, because you get he's kind of a boob.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, he's not a rustic country boom, but he's

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<v Speaker 1>just you know, kind of fun and lovable and and

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<v Speaker 1>he's still taking orders. What about shimp? Chimp completely breaks

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<v Speaker 1>this whole analogy apart. So with the augusta clown, it

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<v Speaker 1>was um invented by a man named lu Jacobs, and

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<v Speaker 1>there was there was a team, Albert Freatellini and Lu

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<v Speaker 1>Jacobs a clown team, and Fredellini was also part of

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<v Speaker 1>the Fredlini brothers, and he was the one who invented

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<v Speaker 1>the red nose. Oh yeah, I thought it was pretty interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah it is, yeah, But then then we have the

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<v Speaker 1>tramp or the hobo, right, that's the next guy. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that one was invented by a dude named Emmett Kelly,

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<v Speaker 1>and he actually invented the sad hobo clown, which you

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<v Speaker 1>can immediately bring to mind. I would imagine just hearing

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<v Speaker 1>sad hobo clown, the downcasts, frown face, the stubble like

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<v Speaker 1>five o'clock shadow. Yeah, the tattered tweed jacket patches, and

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<v Speaker 1>the bendel bendel bag on the stick. So Emmett Kelly

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<v Speaker 1>comes up with the sad hobo clown and that's become

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<v Speaker 1>a fixture of clowning, and that tramp hobo or bag

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<v Speaker 1>lady clown is the one that's the lowest, wrong on

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<v Speaker 1>the ladder, the highest on the totem pole. It kind

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<v Speaker 1>of occurred to me when I was reading this that

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<v Speaker 1>they're sort of I mean, are they making fun of

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<v Speaker 1>the homeless? You know in a way. I think that's

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<v Speaker 1>probably a sticky thing that clowns don't like to address,

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<v Speaker 1>but very very much so. I mean that's clearly what

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<v Speaker 1>they're they're aping is you know, my clothes are tattered,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't have a place to lay my head on them.

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<v Speaker 1>A sad hobo. And you have to understand like Emmett

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<v Speaker 1>Kelly came up with this in the thirties or forties,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe at a time when it was okay to make

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<v Speaker 1>fun people who were down on their luck like that.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know why, but yes, and I thought the

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<v Speaker 1>same thing too. I was like, Wow, this is like

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<v Speaker 1>making a clown version of homeless people. Yeah. I think

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<v Speaker 1>what they would say. My guess is that they would say, there,

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<v Speaker 1>you should have a lot of sympathy for the hobo clown.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, and you're we're trying to elicit sympathy, not

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<v Speaker 1>necessarily laughs at my expense. Yeah, even though they do that,

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<v Speaker 1>But they're the ones who are like, um, sweeping the

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<v Speaker 1>mess that the other one's made up when the spotlight

0:25:06.840 --> 0:25:10.760
<v Speaker 1>goes out, crying on the inside and outside to sweep,

0:25:10.800 --> 0:25:13.280
<v Speaker 1>sweeping the circus debt. Those are the three big ones.

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<v Speaker 1>There's also a character clown, which is makes up a

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<v Speaker 1>fourth class of clown. Rodeo clowns fall into that, although

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<v Speaker 1>they're technically more like the working clown there, like a

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<v Speaker 1>sheep dog clown, um, but a character clown would be

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<v Speaker 1>like a keystone cop or an astronaut clown. Basically, if

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<v Speaker 1>you can come up with the profession that uses a

0:25:33.160 --> 0:25:35.200
<v Speaker 1>costume and then make a clown version of it. That's

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<v Speaker 1>a character clown. So those are the doctor clown. Oh yeah,

0:25:40.720 --> 0:25:45.960
<v Speaker 1>what was that video Hospital Clowning on Found Footage Festival. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>this video Josh found is a guy that made a

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<v Speaker 1>series of clown instructional videos a medical clown which they

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<v Speaker 1>do valuable valuable service by going to children's hospitals and

0:25:58.400 --> 0:26:01.720
<v Speaker 1>things and scaring the making it feel better. But this

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<v Speaker 1>guy did some instructional videos on how to do this

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<v Speaker 1>and what to do and what not to do. What

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<v Speaker 1>not to do is very important. Don't touch a covered

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<v Speaker 1>part because you never know if they've just had their

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<v Speaker 1>leg amputated, was one piece of advice. Oh it's so funny. Um, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so go. Actually, if you go, if you're listening to

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<v Speaker 1>this on our website, on that the podcast page for

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<v Speaker 1>this episode, it should be in the links. Yeah, we'll

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<v Speaker 1>definitely put that in there. If not, and you don't

0:26:29.000 --> 0:26:31.320
<v Speaker 1>feel like going to our website, just look up hospital

0:26:31.359 --> 0:26:35.040
<v Speaker 1>Clowning Found Footage Festival and it will come up. It's wonderful.

0:26:35.160 --> 0:26:37.600
<v Speaker 1>It is. It is delightful. We we talked about it

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<v Speaker 1>on our Internet round Up video show. As well. We did.

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<v Speaker 1>So the big question here is why is this funny?

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<v Speaker 1>Why do we need this? Why do people indulge clowns? Um,

0:26:48.600 --> 0:26:50.560
<v Speaker 1>we're not indulge. Why do they like clowns? It's a

0:26:50.560 --> 0:26:52.440
<v Speaker 1>better way to put Why do we let clowns get

0:26:52.440 --> 0:26:55.080
<v Speaker 1>away with making fun of the homeless? Um? I think

0:26:55.080 --> 0:26:57.359
<v Speaker 1>a good reason that it's pointed out in the article

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<v Speaker 1>on how stuff works, is that, Um, we have a

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<v Speaker 1>very rigid, complex society that we live in, and there

0:27:03.800 --> 0:27:07.159
<v Speaker 1>are rules in their social order, and uh, you know,

0:27:07.200 --> 0:27:10.760
<v Speaker 1>we have to maintain our good behavior, and so clowning

0:27:10.960 --> 0:27:15.560
<v Speaker 1>is a safety valve, is how this author put it. Two.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, we can live vicariously through the clown who

0:27:19.240 --> 0:27:22.480
<v Speaker 1>breaks down those social norms and says, I'll do whatever

0:27:22.520 --> 0:27:24.719
<v Speaker 1>I want. I'll make fun of the king, or I'll,

0:27:24.920 --> 0:27:27.679
<v Speaker 1>you know, squirt this little kid in the face with

0:27:27.800 --> 0:27:33.359
<v Speaker 1>water everybody, And um, you know since the French clown

0:27:33.680 --> 0:27:35.439
<v Speaker 1>he beat a kid to death of his cane in

0:27:35.480 --> 0:27:37.320
<v Speaker 1>the street from making fun of him, and that's taking

0:27:37.359 --> 0:27:39.880
<v Speaker 1>it too far. Well, he did, and he I looked

0:27:39.920 --> 0:27:42.400
<v Speaker 1>this up. He went to trial and was acquitted. But um,

0:27:42.440 --> 0:27:45.080
<v Speaker 1>apparently it was like the trial of the century because

0:27:45.119 --> 0:27:48.000
<v Speaker 1>everyone wanted to hear him speak. Oh he was a

0:27:48.040 --> 0:27:52.520
<v Speaker 1>silent clown. Was a silent clown. Um the piroas. So, yeah,

0:27:52.560 --> 0:27:54.280
<v Speaker 1>he be had a kid that was making fun of

0:27:54.320 --> 0:27:57.000
<v Speaker 1>him and he killed him. He didn't mean to you

0:27:57.080 --> 0:27:59.600
<v Speaker 1>meant to hit him. He meant to kill him. He

0:27:59.640 --> 0:28:02.560
<v Speaker 1>said it is a single blow, and I imagine he

0:28:02.640 --> 0:28:07.400
<v Speaker 1>was just like not again, yeah, or he would mind

0:28:07.440 --> 0:28:10.200
<v Speaker 1>whatever that is. So I want to address what you said.

0:28:10.240 --> 0:28:12.440
<v Speaker 1>The role of clowns are and this is going to

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<v Speaker 1>be like the most sour puss thing you've heard today,

0:28:15.160 --> 0:28:17.360
<v Speaker 1>but it really makes sense in a way. So, yes,

0:28:17.440 --> 0:28:20.240
<v Speaker 1>the role of the clown is to vent the general

0:28:20.240 --> 0:28:25.000
<v Speaker 1>populations frustrations that abuse heaped on us by the ruling class,

0:28:25.160 --> 0:28:28.439
<v Speaker 1>or the conventions of society or what happened, and the

0:28:28.520 --> 0:28:32.680
<v Speaker 1>clown allows us to feel better about things because this

0:28:32.760 --> 0:28:35.760
<v Speaker 1>is being made fun of, its being addressed. But you

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<v Speaker 1>can also make the case that in that sense, the

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<v Speaker 1>clown satire, anything that provides that function in society actually

0:28:45.960 --> 0:28:50.160
<v Speaker 1>just keeps the status quo in place, because rather than

0:28:50.520 --> 0:28:54.800
<v Speaker 1>any real change coming about from those simmering frustrations that

0:28:54.880 --> 0:28:57.880
<v Speaker 1>are aren't allowed to vent, just to release that once

0:28:57.920 --> 0:29:00.360
<v Speaker 1>they're released, then we can just move a long. But

0:29:00.480 --> 0:29:03.640
<v Speaker 1>nothing's actually really changed. It's been satirized, and so we're

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<v Speaker 1>satisfied to a certain degree. Interesting, you know, I know

0:29:07.400 --> 0:29:12.480
<v Speaker 1>it's a really like kind of view of clowns in general,

0:29:12.560 --> 0:29:15.800
<v Speaker 1>but it really does keep the status quo in place,

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<v Speaker 1>and a really effective ruler will allow him or herself

0:29:19.800 --> 0:29:23.400
<v Speaker 1>to have just enough fun poked at so that um,

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<v Speaker 1>here she appears to have been brought down a peg,

0:29:26.040 --> 0:29:30.400
<v Speaker 1>but really the power is totally unchecked by that. Yeah. Interesting,

0:29:30.800 --> 0:29:33.080
<v Speaker 1>We should do one on satire. That's a pretty rich subject.

0:29:33.720 --> 0:29:37.480
<v Speaker 1>I think the function of a satirist is um important.

0:29:37.560 --> 0:29:39.560
<v Speaker 1>But um, you do raise a good point, like at

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<v Speaker 1>the end of the day, what does change come about

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<v Speaker 1>because of it? Or is it just well, at least

0:29:44.160 --> 0:29:47.640
<v Speaker 1>we all got to laugh right at this. It serves

0:29:47.680 --> 0:29:51.000
<v Speaker 1>what serves a function. It does serve a function. It

0:29:51.080 --> 0:29:54.600
<v Speaker 1>serves to play kate. Yeah. Interesting, thanks man, that is

0:29:54.680 --> 0:30:00.280
<v Speaker 1>that's all mine, Josh right copyright. So we should probably

0:30:00.320 --> 0:30:02.440
<v Speaker 1>take a break, um, and then we'll come back and

0:30:02.440 --> 0:30:24.160
<v Speaker 1>talk a little more about you guessed it clowns. All right,

0:30:24.200 --> 0:30:26.440
<v Speaker 1>we're back and by the way, yeah, if you have

0:30:26.560 --> 0:30:28.680
<v Speaker 1>heard some weird sounds in the background of this one.

0:30:28.800 --> 0:30:31.120
<v Speaker 1>It's because some jerk in this building is using a drill.

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<v Speaker 1>You're not insane and they're not supposed to be doing

0:30:33.480 --> 0:30:36.120
<v Speaker 1>that right now. But it's hopefully it's not too distracting.

0:30:36.160 --> 0:30:37.600
<v Speaker 1>It's sort of here and there. I just want to

0:30:37.600 --> 0:30:41.280
<v Speaker 1>mention that, Yeah, you're not hearing the hume. So careers

0:30:41.280 --> 0:30:45.160
<v Speaker 1>and clowning, my friend, Yeah, you mentioned hospital clowning. That's

0:30:45.200 --> 0:30:48.200
<v Speaker 1>definitely a way to go. University of Haifa in Israel

0:30:48.280 --> 0:30:51.840
<v Speaker 1>has a i think a bachelor's degree in medical clowning,

0:30:52.200 --> 0:30:55.040
<v Speaker 1>and it's exactly what it sounds like. You're you learn

0:30:55.400 --> 0:30:58.719
<v Speaker 1>to go into hospitals and raise the spirits, usually of kids,

0:30:59.080 --> 0:31:01.400
<v Speaker 1>but I think it applied just about anybody in a

0:31:01.440 --> 0:31:04.560
<v Speaker 1>hospital who wants to have their spirits picked up and react. Well,

0:31:04.600 --> 0:31:08.320
<v Speaker 1>the clowns, I think kids mainly medical clown I know,

0:31:08.360 --> 0:31:10.880
<v Speaker 1>I like, get out of my hospital room. Yeah, an

0:31:10.880 --> 0:31:13.840
<v Speaker 1>adult that's going in for like a bypasser train, it's

0:31:13.840 --> 0:31:15.680
<v Speaker 1>a clown in the room. No, that's just my thing.

0:31:15.760 --> 0:31:18.880
<v Speaker 1>That just makes a clown want to try harder. Just

0:31:19.040 --> 0:31:24.360
<v Speaker 1>no bad touch, don't touch any covered parts. So membership

0:31:24.400 --> 0:31:28.000
<v Speaker 1>is waning these days in the World Clown Association. Um,

0:31:28.040 --> 0:31:32.160
<v Speaker 1>they don't keep exact stats, but they um anecdotally say

0:31:32.160 --> 0:31:36.600
<v Speaker 1>that it's dropped by about a third in recent years. Um.

0:31:36.640 --> 0:31:38.400
<v Speaker 1>But like I said, you can be a pro clown.

0:31:38.440 --> 0:31:41.560
<v Speaker 1>You can go to Wringling Brothers as a clown college

0:31:41.720 --> 0:31:45.200
<v Speaker 1>in Sarasota. Dude, it is brutal as far as competition

0:31:45.240 --> 0:31:47.680
<v Speaker 1>goes what to get in. Yeah, I'm sure. So. In

0:31:47.720 --> 0:31:50.680
<v Speaker 1>two thousand and thirteen they had five thirty one applicants

0:31:50.760 --> 0:31:52.600
<v Speaker 1>from around the world and they let in two clowns.

0:31:52.640 --> 0:31:58.520
<v Speaker 1>They selected fourteen to come to camp. They hired eleven. Yeah,

0:31:58.560 --> 0:32:02.600
<v Speaker 1>that's pretty to be competitive. Um, and there's only twenty

0:32:02.680 --> 0:32:05.200
<v Speaker 1>six total clowns that work for all of England. Brothers,

0:32:05.200 --> 0:32:08.760
<v Speaker 1>Barnum and Bailey. They shuffle them around the three circuses

0:32:08.800 --> 0:32:10.320
<v Speaker 1>that are going on and they didn't give him point

0:32:10.360 --> 0:32:12.800
<v Speaker 1>in time. Interesting, but it pays pretty well. They inject

0:32:12.840 --> 0:32:15.440
<v Speaker 1>them with formalde hyde and put them in a cryogenic chamber.

0:32:15.520 --> 0:32:17.640
<v Speaker 1>You will never die, ship them to a different part

0:32:17.680 --> 0:32:21.160
<v Speaker 1>of the country, regenerate them but on their red nose,

0:32:21.520 --> 0:32:25.560
<v Speaker 1>and it's all good show time. Circus A. You can

0:32:25.640 --> 0:32:28.200
<v Speaker 1>do a lot worse than that. My friend if you

0:32:28.240 --> 0:32:30.560
<v Speaker 1>want to go that route. It's different kind of clowning,

0:32:31.080 --> 0:32:33.560
<v Speaker 1>but it's I think a little more of the old

0:32:34.200 --> 0:32:38.360
<v Speaker 1>Italian and European style. It depends they go for both. Yeah,

0:32:38.920 --> 0:32:43.040
<v Speaker 1>they go for a like character comedy and then I

0:32:43.080 --> 0:32:46.760
<v Speaker 1>think like physical slapsticks straight up. Yeah. But you can

0:32:46.840 --> 0:32:49.880
<v Speaker 1>make up to two K a year at circu to Sola.

0:32:50.120 --> 0:32:55.200
<v Speaker 1>I think that's like yeah at Wrinkling Brothers. Apparently for

0:32:55.280 --> 0:32:58.640
<v Speaker 1>clowns they can make up too K a year. K

0:32:58.840 --> 0:33:02.800
<v Speaker 1>means a thousand, that's and buy that, I mean dollars. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're into French clowning, you can go to Paris

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<v Speaker 1>and study at the Ecole a Internationale de Theatra Jacques

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<v Speaker 1>leco Jacques Lecoq theater Jacques lecoq I was pronounced yeah, sure,

0:33:18.840 --> 0:33:22.120
<v Speaker 1>it's not leco no, it's definitely the coup okay. So

0:33:22.280 --> 0:33:26.080
<v Speaker 1>he do you remember leacock sportif like um tennis ware

0:33:26.160 --> 0:33:29.880
<v Speaker 1>from the eighties, I called it leco No, it's lecoc okay.

0:33:29.920 --> 0:33:31.560
<v Speaker 1>I mean either that I have been saying things wrong

0:33:31.640 --> 0:33:34.280
<v Speaker 1>for thirty years, which is entirely possible, but I'm almost

0:33:34.360 --> 0:33:38.000
<v Speaker 1>positive because think about it's a clown Jacques Lecoq. I mean,

0:33:38.040 --> 0:33:41.160
<v Speaker 1>it's very funny. I know, it's hilarious. It's way funnier

0:33:41.200 --> 0:33:43.880
<v Speaker 1>than Jacques leco So if it is Jacque leco this

0:33:43.880 --> 0:33:45.600
<v Speaker 1>guy should have thought his name out a little better.

0:33:45.640 --> 0:33:48.720
<v Speaker 1>It's a good point. So Jacques Lecoq was a big

0:33:48.760 --> 0:33:51.480
<v Speaker 1>innovator in clowning and he had a school um that

0:33:51.600 --> 0:33:53.320
<v Speaker 1>this is still based on, you know, in Paris, but

0:33:53.360 --> 0:33:55.440
<v Speaker 1>he had a school back in the day where his

0:33:55.520 --> 0:34:02.200
<v Speaker 1>big thing was UM called the via negative the or negativa,

0:34:02.440 --> 0:34:06.680
<v Speaker 1>which is basically basically like, he doesn't say what you're

0:34:06.720 --> 0:34:10.040
<v Speaker 1>doing is right or wrong. Um, he's he's not there

0:34:10.080 --> 0:34:11.879
<v Speaker 1>to teach you a set of skills. He's to teach

0:34:11.880 --> 0:34:14.279
<v Speaker 1>you to do what you do best right and to

0:34:14.360 --> 0:34:17.680
<v Speaker 1>embrace your own style. It's pretty neat. I found that

0:34:17.800 --> 0:34:20.960
<v Speaker 1>just about anywhere. Um, I saw like how to clown

0:34:21.080 --> 0:34:23.680
<v Speaker 1>or anything like that. During research, one of the main

0:34:23.760 --> 0:34:27.839
<v Speaker 1>things was figure out your style of clown and it's

0:34:27.880 --> 0:34:30.359
<v Speaker 1>based on who you are, and then just figure out

0:34:30.440 --> 0:34:33.759
<v Speaker 1>how to bring that out as big as possible, but

0:34:33.800 --> 0:34:36.000
<v Speaker 1>that it was all about you and and figuring out

0:34:36.040 --> 0:34:39.080
<v Speaker 1>your own jam. Um. They also suggest that you should

0:34:39.120 --> 0:34:43.160
<v Speaker 1>probably have at least one talent like still walking, juggling

0:34:43.320 --> 0:34:47.640
<v Speaker 1>balloon animals is a big one too, like something like

0:34:47.680 --> 0:34:50.400
<v Speaker 1>that water squirting. But they pointed out that you should

0:34:50.400 --> 0:34:53.279
<v Speaker 1>be able to be funny with no props whatsoever. And

0:34:53.320 --> 0:34:55.920
<v Speaker 1>then you start incorporating props, well, it's probably good to

0:34:56.160 --> 0:34:59.319
<v Speaker 1>practice them along the way. Give up that rubber chicken, though, right,

0:34:59.400 --> 0:35:01.040
<v Speaker 1>and really work just put it in a drawer for

0:35:01.080 --> 0:35:03.919
<v Speaker 1>a little while and and be funny without the rubber chicken.

0:35:03.960 --> 0:35:06.040
<v Speaker 1>Then when you add the rubber chicken, you're really going

0:35:06.120 --> 0:35:09.880
<v Speaker 1>to be funny, right, Um, But that all is based

0:35:09.960 --> 0:35:13.719
<v Speaker 1>on Remember, clowns are exaggerations of a human personality, and

0:35:13.760 --> 0:35:18.440
<v Speaker 1>specifically that person's personality, and so that's what you're supposed

0:35:18.480 --> 0:35:23.279
<v Speaker 1>to work on initially like that, Yeah, so, um, I

0:35:23.320 --> 0:35:28.640
<v Speaker 1>think are we now at the at the the colerophobia? Yeah?

0:35:28.719 --> 0:35:32.319
<v Speaker 1>I think so? Why do people hate clowns? Why are

0:35:32.400 --> 0:35:36.160
<v Speaker 1>people afraid of clowns? So initially we talked about Grimaldi

0:35:36.239 --> 0:35:40.319
<v Speaker 1>and Debrow having pretty grim backstories, and like everybody knew

0:35:40.320 --> 0:35:43.640
<v Speaker 1>it at the time. Everyone went to de bros Um trial.

0:35:44.600 --> 0:35:48.799
<v Speaker 1>Grimaldi apparently used to crack that he was grim all day,

0:35:48.840 --> 0:35:52.560
<v Speaker 1>but he made you, he delighted you at night, right, Yeah,

0:35:52.600 --> 0:35:55.200
<v Speaker 1>play on his name, right, So everyone knew that he

0:35:55.320 --> 0:35:58.440
<v Speaker 1>had this depressing life. His son was an alcoholic clown

0:35:58.480 --> 0:36:01.799
<v Speaker 1>who died of drink at thirty one. Yeah. His father

0:36:02.000 --> 0:36:05.600
<v Speaker 1>was a stage father, a tyrant. Supposedly his first wife

0:36:05.680 --> 0:36:11.480
<v Speaker 1>died during childbirth. Um, Grimaldi was in bad physical shape

0:36:11.520 --> 0:36:14.360
<v Speaker 1>from all the slapstick that he performed over the years.

0:36:14.440 --> 0:36:17.080
<v Speaker 1>And everyone knew this, and yet he was a clown,

0:36:17.560 --> 0:36:19.920
<v Speaker 1>and no one thought, oh, that's kind of weird for

0:36:19.960 --> 0:36:22.440
<v Speaker 1>a clown, or very ironic for a clown to have

0:36:22.520 --> 0:36:27.560
<v Speaker 1>a terrible life, in part because Grimaldi invented the modern clown.

0:36:27.880 --> 0:36:30.120
<v Speaker 1>So that was the conception of the modern clown for

0:36:30.120 --> 0:36:33.719
<v Speaker 1>a very long time. It wasn't until the early twentieth

0:36:33.800 --> 0:36:37.880
<v Speaker 1>century that clowns were taken away from this idea that

0:36:37.960 --> 0:36:43.279
<v Speaker 1>they were adults, pranksters um kind of body humor and

0:36:43.320 --> 0:36:47.160
<v Speaker 1>placed squarely in the realm of little kids, and they

0:36:47.160 --> 0:36:50.279
<v Speaker 1>were expected to be happy all the time and kind

0:36:50.320 --> 0:36:55.160
<v Speaker 1>of these fantastic creatures that cannot possibly ever really be

0:36:55.320 --> 0:36:58.719
<v Speaker 1>that way. So automatically, clowns were set up to be

0:36:59.320 --> 0:37:01.719
<v Speaker 1>something kind of creepy because they were held to these

0:37:01.719 --> 0:37:04.279
<v Speaker 1>really high standards that they could never meet. And for

0:37:04.320 --> 0:37:08.280
<v Speaker 1>a little while it worked, like Bozo the Clown was huge.

0:37:08.960 --> 0:37:12.640
<v Speaker 1>There was apparently so Bozo the Clown on TV was

0:37:12.680 --> 0:37:16.120
<v Speaker 1>a franchise, right, so if you were a local TV station,

0:37:16.239 --> 0:37:18.480
<v Speaker 1>you could have your own Bows of the Clown and

0:37:18.480 --> 0:37:20.480
<v Speaker 1>put on your own Bows of the Clown show. But

0:37:20.560 --> 0:37:22.880
<v Speaker 1>at the main one at w g N in Chicago,

0:37:23.640 --> 0:37:26.600
<v Speaker 1>the waiting list for tickets to the studio audience was

0:37:26.719 --> 0:37:30.120
<v Speaker 1>ten years long. And as a matter of fact, Willard

0:37:30.160 --> 0:37:33.560
<v Speaker 1>Scott played Bozo, and Willard Scott went on to become

0:37:33.640 --> 0:37:37.920
<v Speaker 1>Ronald McDonald from playing Bozo and the Ronald McDonald was

0:37:37.960 --> 0:37:42.200
<v Speaker 1>inspired by Bozo because McDonald sponsored the Bozo Show and

0:37:42.239 --> 0:37:45.719
<v Speaker 1>they saw how crazy popular this clown was with the kids,

0:37:45.719 --> 0:37:48.239
<v Speaker 1>so they made their own clown, Ronald McDonald, so that

0:37:48.320 --> 0:37:51.919
<v Speaker 1>they could better market two kids. And it worked, it did.

0:37:52.200 --> 0:37:55.760
<v Speaker 1>But then eventually I think there was always this idea

0:37:55.840 --> 0:37:58.480
<v Speaker 1>that this is a little weird, this is creepy, like

0:37:58.520 --> 0:38:01.080
<v Speaker 1>nobody can be that happy? What you you know, what's

0:38:01.120 --> 0:38:04.640
<v Speaker 1>going on there? Well? Charles Dickens wrote um the Memoir.

0:38:04.840 --> 0:38:09.200
<v Speaker 1>He edited the Memoir of Grimaldi when he died, and

0:38:09.520 --> 0:38:13.520
<v Speaker 1>he basically laid it all out there about what a ghastly,

0:38:14.719 --> 0:38:16.719
<v Speaker 1>you know, sort of person that this guy was in

0:38:16.760 --> 0:38:19.560
<v Speaker 1>real life, and it was a huge hit, Like people

0:38:19.560 --> 0:38:22.640
<v Speaker 1>bought this book like crazy. So you coupled that with

0:38:23.360 --> 0:38:27.759
<v Speaker 1>um Pierrot or what was his real name, Debrow who

0:38:27.880 --> 0:38:33.359
<v Speaker 1>killed a kid. This king goes on trial, and so

0:38:33.440 --> 0:38:37.080
<v Speaker 1>you have this very sort of dark seed planet and then,

0:38:37.120 --> 0:38:39.319
<v Speaker 1>like you said, years later, all of a sudden, it's

0:38:39.360 --> 0:38:41.800
<v Speaker 1>not meant for body adults at you know, getting drunk

0:38:41.840 --> 0:38:44.640
<v Speaker 1>watching Shakespeare's Let's take these guys and put them around

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<v Speaker 1>our kids. Yeah, exactly, So you have a recipe for

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<v Speaker 1>at the very least clowns to be confusing and then

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<v Speaker 1>all of a sudden, chuck out of nowhere in the

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<v Speaker 1>worst case scenario, nightmare comes to pass John Wayne Gaycy. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>the idea that was in all the parents backs to

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<v Speaker 1>their heads, right, like this is a little creepy. This

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<v Speaker 1>is a grown man hanging out with my kids, and

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<v Speaker 1>he's he's he's sort of acting out these weird happy,

0:39:12.360 --> 0:39:16.200
<v Speaker 1>half happy happy violent things, like he's tripping people and

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<v Speaker 1>squirting them and he looks creepy. And now he's another killer. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>he's a serial killer as a clown Pogo the clown,

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<v Speaker 1>but yes, serial killer of the worst variety, and he

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<v Speaker 1>was larger and in charge because I think Pogo the

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<v Speaker 1>Clown was a white faced clown I remember correctly. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean there's you look up the pictures of Gaycey

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<v Speaker 1>as a clown. It's about the creepiest thing on the internet. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So he, uh you know how many kids you killed?

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<v Speaker 1>Like thirty three young boys? Yeah, thirty five and he

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<v Speaker 1>was convicted of thirty three, I believe. But he didn't

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<v Speaker 1>help the case of clowns, uh by, Like when he

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<v Speaker 1>went to prison, he would still paint pictures of clowns

0:39:53.520 --> 0:39:55.839
<v Speaker 1>and of himself as a clown. And it was like

0:39:56.320 --> 0:39:59.000
<v Speaker 1>he had he had quite a collection of paintings from

0:39:59.040 --> 0:40:02.439
<v Speaker 1>prison that did not do anything but reinforced the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that clowns are creepy, right, And of course it was

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<v Speaker 1>like international news a clown found to be a killer

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<v Speaker 1>and sexual predator, a serial version of that. It definitely

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<v Speaker 1>captured the public imagination from that point on. It was

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<v Speaker 1>like clowns are now overtly sinister. Yeah, and in movies,

0:40:22.640 --> 0:40:27.040
<v Speaker 1>killer clowns from outer space or it. Well, yeah, Stephen

0:40:27.080 --> 0:40:29.680
<v Speaker 1>Kings Pennywise, the clown. Yeah, that was one of the

0:40:29.760 --> 0:40:34.640
<v Speaker 1>legendary scary clowns, that new one on American Horror Story. Twisty, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>have you seen that one? But if you look at

0:40:36.400 --> 0:40:38.799
<v Speaker 1>it so so John Wayne Gaze is scary in real life.

0:40:39.160 --> 0:40:44.160
<v Speaker 1>Pennywise the clown pretty scary, but still you know, masterfully scary.

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<v Speaker 1>Now you've gotten to Twisty the clown on American Horror Story,

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<v Speaker 1>and he's like, he's as scary as it comes. But

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<v Speaker 1>think about the amount of violence they're having to imbue

0:40:56.400 --> 0:41:01.240
<v Speaker 1>in this guy and show graphically, because this frightening clown

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<v Speaker 1>has become such a trope over time, it's just got

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<v Speaker 1>to get more intense and extreme, right Like, eventually, just

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<v Speaker 1>to really get the full thrill, like theater promoters are

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<v Speaker 1>going to have to send a clown and to kill

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<v Speaker 1>half the audience to scare the other half in real life.

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<v Speaker 1>So what you're saying is it's a loop, an endless

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<v Speaker 1>loop where clowns are getting worse and worse and worse.

0:41:26.160 --> 0:41:27.960
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I think eventually it'll just be so

0:41:28.040 --> 0:41:31.640
<v Speaker 1>played out that people be like, oh, scary clown, Seriously,

0:41:31.719 --> 0:41:35.640
<v Speaker 1>you actually use this, And eventually what will happen was

0:41:36.560 --> 0:41:41.440
<v Speaker 1>or will I think be that clowns can. They'll be

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<v Speaker 1>a door and opening for clowns to regain some of

0:41:45.200 --> 0:41:51.280
<v Speaker 1>their innocence from that, but to a negotiated degree, because

0:41:51.320 --> 0:41:54.520
<v Speaker 1>they'll have gone through that period of being overtly frightening

0:41:54.520 --> 0:41:58.360
<v Speaker 1>and associated with something really sinister lurking beneath the surface,

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<v Speaker 1>and maybe we'll expect a little less from clowns and

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<v Speaker 1>then therefore they can take their rightful place once more

0:42:05.719 --> 0:42:07.279
<v Speaker 1>having to go through this. It sounds to me like

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<v Speaker 1>you're predicting a clown renaissance, clown renaissance, a well maintained

0:42:11.800 --> 0:42:15.040
<v Speaker 1>and tasteful clown renaissance. Maybe not a Golden Age or

0:42:15.080 --> 0:42:20.320
<v Speaker 1>a Heyday, but something that's stable, indefinitely got you well.

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<v Speaker 1>You know. The other thing I think we talked about

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<v Speaker 1>this on the Internet round up is the French teenagers

0:42:24.520 --> 0:42:27.319
<v Speaker 1>that were dressing up as clowns causing mayhem and they're

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<v Speaker 1>not helping anything. None of that helps. And then there's

0:42:30.000 --> 0:42:33.919
<v Speaker 1>other cases I've seen where where was it. I don't

0:42:34.280 --> 0:42:36.560
<v Speaker 1>think it was England where there was just this creepy

0:42:36.800 --> 0:42:39.920
<v Speaker 1>clown just just sit there hanging around. I think it

0:42:39.960 --> 0:42:42.319
<v Speaker 1>was in Canada, with Canada it might have been in

0:42:42.400 --> 0:42:45.920
<v Speaker 1>both actual none of these things are helping legit clowns.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure they're all like, thanks, guys, We're just dressing

0:42:49.320 --> 0:42:52.200
<v Speaker 1>up and being creepy on a bench, just sitting midnight. Yeah,

0:42:52.239 --> 0:42:54.400
<v Speaker 1>at midnight. But when you think about it, there's it

0:42:54.440 --> 0:42:55.960
<v Speaker 1>could just be a clown that got up work. I mean,

0:42:55.960 --> 0:43:00.320
<v Speaker 1>why is that so creepy? I don't think that's it. Um.

0:43:00.360 --> 0:43:02.520
<v Speaker 1>I want to give a shout out to a Smithsonian

0:43:02.640 --> 0:43:05.799
<v Speaker 1>article that we used in part for this. It's called

0:43:05.840 --> 0:43:10.360
<v Speaker 1>The History and Psychology of Clowns Being Scary, which is

0:43:10.400 --> 0:43:13.160
<v Speaker 1>pretty clunky title, but it was a very good, comprehensive,

0:43:13.200 --> 0:43:17.600
<v Speaker 1>exhaustive article on that. So go check that out. Agreed, Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you got anything else right now? No, if you want

0:43:20.200 --> 0:43:22.319
<v Speaker 1>to know more about clowns, type that word in the

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<v Speaker 1>search bar at how stuff works dot com. And we

0:43:24.760 --> 0:43:26.960
<v Speaker 1>should do one on just how circus is in general

0:43:27.000 --> 0:43:29.120
<v Speaker 1>works someday. Have we not done that? No we haven't.

0:43:29.200 --> 0:43:33.920
<v Speaker 1>We've done circusy things. We've done like flame eating, Daredevil's juggling,

0:43:34.040 --> 0:43:39.600
<v Speaker 1>sword swallowing, like human cannonballs, all that jam. But no, no,

0:43:40.680 --> 0:43:43.440
<v Speaker 1>what's left circus is how circus work? Yeah, but I mean,

0:43:43.480 --> 0:43:46.040
<v Speaker 1>what's left that's not those things? We can? We can,

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<v Speaker 1>We'll find it. Okay, uh, I think I said search bar,

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<v Speaker 1>didn't I? I think so. Well, it's time for a

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<v Speaker 1>listener maw. I'm gonna call this um saving a marriage. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>Hey guys, my wife, I want to give you credit

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<v Speaker 1>My wife Lindsey and I have been married for almost

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure they're the only Ben and Lindsay there. Yeah.

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