Speaker 1: Thinking Sideways. I don't I'm not stories of things. We
Speaker 1: simply don't know the answer to breaking news in the
Speaker 1: disappearance of Malaysia Air flights a glimmer of hope as
Speaker 1: the Malaysian Prime Minister announced their press conference this afternoon
Speaker 1: that he has asked the crack investigators of the well
Speaker 1: known internet podcast Thinking Sideways to assist in the search. A.
Speaker 1: Hi there, let's just Thinking Sideways and I am Joe,
Speaker 1: assisted by and Steve. Yeah, I feel like I was yelling. Sorry.
Speaker 1: So usually we taught we sort of tackle really ancient
Speaker 1: mysteries that I've been around for decades, if not centuries
Speaker 1: or even millennia, and of course we always solve them.
Speaker 1: But this week we thought we'd do something a little
Speaker 1: more topical. And you know what I'm talking about, Malaysia
Speaker 1: Air Flight three seventy. That's right, We're gonna tackle this one.
Speaker 1: We're gonna find those people and we're gonna bring them
Speaker 1: back alive. Right yeah, right, okay, So let's launch right
Speaker 1: into this. I mean, and I know that everybody who's
Speaker 1: listening or have been hearing nothing but Flight three seventy
Speaker 1: for the past week. So I'm not going to go
Speaker 1: over all the little details, but I'll summarize just real quickly.
Speaker 1: The flight took off from Cola up Or headed north
Speaker 1: over the Malaysian Peninsula towards Beijing. I was supposed to
Speaker 1: be about a five hour fly and initial reports from
Speaker 1: the Malaysian government where that the a CARS, which is
Speaker 1: the aircraft communications, addressing and reporting system they've been calling
Speaker 1: the transponder, right, Yeah, well there's some of them mixed up,
Speaker 1: the transponders, like because there's there's a CARS, but there's
Speaker 1: also a transponder. Is something else that's a communication system? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: already I'm wrong, Yeah, exactly. Yeah, the transponder is there.
Speaker 1: It's just basically like kind of an echo thing if
Speaker 1: you get, if you get it makes me more visible
Speaker 1: to radar. And so yeah, basically what it does if
Speaker 1: you get, if you get painted by radar, then it
Speaker 1: sends a reply and so it makes you a lot
Speaker 1: more visible to that radar. So okay, So anyway, a
Speaker 1: car is apparently a CARS did stop communicating at some
Speaker 1: point right about when they were crossing the coast, the
Speaker 1: coastline into the ocean. Uh, and then somewhat after that
Speaker 1: the transponder was shut off and that, and that it
Speaker 1: wasn't a key spot because it was in the boundary
Speaker 1: between Malaysian air traffic Control and Vietnamese air traffic control,
Speaker 1: so kind of in that no man's land up. Oh so,
Speaker 1: like after they had stopped communicating with Malaysia before they
Speaker 1: had to start communicating with Vietnam, they shut it off. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: akar Acar stopped earlier, and then the transponder was shut off,
Speaker 1: like right between Malaysia and Vietnam air traffic control. But
Speaker 1: it turns out it ours was not entirely shut off.
Speaker 1: They said that it was completely shut off, but apparently
Speaker 1: it was still working because you've been hearing those stories
Speaker 1: about about how the engines were pinging for hours afterwards. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: apparently that that all that stuff goes to the a
Speaker 1: car system. There's a there's an antenna and all this,
Speaker 1: all that all that kind of stuff goes to a car.
Speaker 1: So apparently it was shut off. In terms of communications.
Speaker 1: They stopped receiving any text messages or other communication from
Speaker 1: the people on the plane, but they were still and
Speaker 1: and and and also that the engine stuff. But the
Speaker 1: system itself is programmed to every half hour paying the satellite. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So the way I've heard it described as like a
Speaker 1: cell phone kind of right, the cell phone was turned off,
Speaker 1: but cell phones still send out a little like hey
Speaker 1: I'm here. Yeah, Hey I'm here. Yeah exactly, yeah, well
Speaker 1: here yeah, and the context of the a car system
Speaker 1: is called a handshake. Right. So they turned off the
Speaker 1: like active part of this communication system. But that but
Speaker 1: it's a little built in part still Still it wasn't
Speaker 1: totally disabled system. Yeah, it's not like somebody like tore
Speaker 1: it off. Brain fairly still attached and functioning and receiving energy,
Speaker 1: I guess. Yeah. And so uh yeah, of course I
Speaker 1: read a Ruyter's interview with six pilots who have experience
Speaker 1: with the seven seventy seven, and they said that completely
Speaker 1: disabled it would have required opening a hatch in the
Speaker 1: floor of the plane, climbing down into a little room, uh,
Speaker 1: and pulling a fuse. So not just like flipping a switch. No,
Speaker 1: flipping a switch probably shuts off the communication bar but
Speaker 1: actually but but so yeah, so it was still pulling
Speaker 1: out little beeps and which allowed them to narrow the
Speaker 1: search down to a very tiny field of like, you know,
Speaker 1: millions of square miles. So and of course, yeah, so anyway,
Speaker 1: let me real quick like, so the plane headed southwest
Speaker 1: back across the Malaysian Peninsula, and at the time of
Speaker 1: this of this course change, halfway between Malaysian and Vietnam,
Speaker 1: the plane did go to take a big excursion to
Speaker 1: fort thousands feet, which is beyond the operating envelope at
Speaker 1: the airplane, I was to say, what are they normally
Speaker 1: operated about normally? Now, cruising altitude for these is about
Speaker 1: thirty five thousand feet and uh, and I think the
Speaker 1: max recommended altitude for these is about forty two forty
Speaker 1: three thousand feet tolerance. Yeah, so they had been like yeah,
Speaker 1: so well, I don't know if it was rolling. It
Speaker 1: did at least once it went up way high and
Speaker 1: then dropped pretty low twenty three thousand feet, which is
Speaker 1: below where they're supposed to be and it's about thirty
Speaker 1: five ft And can you just remind me quickly what
Speaker 1: about what time did the flight take off? Like what
Speaker 1: time are we talking here? Did they leave in the
Speaker 1: middle of the night. It was a red eye. It
Speaker 1: was a red eye flight, so it was dark out.
Speaker 1: It was dark when they left, it was dark and
Speaker 1: when the everything got shut off it was still dark.
Speaker 1: So uh, after after bouncing up and down and every thing,
Speaker 1: it turned southwest, went across the Mala Pa Nizula, wound
Speaker 1: up in the Malacca Straits. Then I know that place again,
Speaker 1: I know. And then it turned northwest and it was
Speaker 1: tracked for a while that by a military radar and
Speaker 1: eventually left radar range. And so after that, the only
Speaker 1: subsequent track it was done via the beeps it was
Speaker 1: getting from the ACAR system. And so as you all know,
Speaker 1: you've all seen the maps, I'm sure. So there's a
Speaker 1: big line that goes all the way from northern Thailand
Speaker 1: all the way to Kazakhstan, and there's another one that
Speaker 1: goes southwest all the way to like Diego, Garcia or
Speaker 1: somewhere around. And I was gonna say, is I found
Speaker 1: a really great uh image or a map showing the
Speaker 1: radius of how far it could have gone? And I
Speaker 1: know that that will put that on the website, because
Speaker 1: it really was you here, Okay, well it can go
Speaker 1: for hours, but how far can it really go? Was
Speaker 1: it the one that was captioned? Researchers say that Malaysian
Speaker 1: air flight is probably somewhere on Earth. I feel like
Speaker 1: quite a bit accurate description of where people think it
Speaker 1: might be that the yeah or something. It's probably on Earth.
Speaker 1: But it is amazing how far the stinken planes can go. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it technically could have gone all the way
Speaker 1: to Kazakhstan in one direction. It could have almost made
Speaker 1: it to Australia in the other directions. So it's that's
Speaker 1: a huge area and I have to search. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: a lot of it is water, yeah, probably, and water
Speaker 1: has there's currents and winds and everything blow on your
Speaker 1: wreckage all over the place. So the longer ago, so
Speaker 1: harder it's going to be to find this. But it
Speaker 1: did crash in the ocean. It had what two and
Speaker 1: thirty nine people on it including the crew. Yeah, so yeah,
Speaker 1: seven passengers and so it was not it was not
Speaker 1: fully loaded, but still it wasn't empty. It wasn't jam pack,
Speaker 1: but it was far from empty. And this is a
Speaker 1: ABO seven and seven seven seventy seven er, which is
Speaker 1: the extended range. Oh god, it's okay. I was That
Speaker 1: explains that I kept seeing it, but I didn't know
Speaker 1: what the name meant. Those extra bit of characters and
Speaker 1: correct me if I'm wrong, But aren't those like some
Speaker 1: of the most reliable planes out there right now, Like
Speaker 1: they've never suffered a catastrophic failure before ever or something
Speaker 1: like that. I think I read they've never crashed ever. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: there was that little thing in San Francisco that was
Speaker 1: remember that a year a year a big crash in
Speaker 1: San Francisco, and that was pilot area. That was pilot area.
Speaker 1: You can't let the plane for that. But like, like
Speaker 1: as far as the like actual plane itself goes, they
Speaker 1: were saying, this is literally the most reliable plane out
Speaker 1: there right now. So the fact that you know me
Speaker 1: that it's people are saying, well, maybe it's you know, electrical,
Speaker 1: maybe it was like a plane error, maybe the plane crash,
Speaker 1: it fell out of the sky. People were kind of saying,
Speaker 1: it seems unlikely given that it's never happened before. But again, right,
Speaker 1: there's always first time for everything. Absolutely there is, you know,
Speaker 1: and you know, there's there's a lot of theories out there.
Speaker 1: I'll jump ahead a head of myself a little bit,
Speaker 1: and one of the theories is that there was a
Speaker 1: catastrophic decompression of the plane because they're hit by a meteor.
Speaker 1: A meteor. Yeah, we're jumping right into crazy. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so so anyway, but but the last pin was that
Speaker 1: was received from the A car system was at eleven am,
Speaker 1: so that is like eight hours. That's like seven hours,
Speaker 1: seven seven and a a half hours after they went. So yeah,
Speaker 1: they were flying for a long time, which makes me
Speaker 1: wonder if maybe they had more gas than they think,
Speaker 1: because they were they had enough gas for a five
Speaker 1: hour flight to Beijing that's about nautical miles. I think
Speaker 1: I read that it had enough gas for eight hours
Speaker 1: of flight because I think that they're supposed to carry
Speaker 1: extra exactly. I mean, you don't want a full tank
Speaker 1: because it's a lot of way to carry around. So
Speaker 1: you also don't want you want enough to get you there,
Speaker 1: and you want to you want to put a little
Speaker 1: bit extra for headwind and that kind of thing. They
Speaker 1: put a little extra in for diversion and a little
Speaker 1: maybe a little safety cushion. After that, Well, you won't
Speaker 1: still be landing on an empty tank. Yeah, well there
Speaker 1: was there was an instance here in Portland some years
Speaker 1: back where plane ran out of gas over PDX. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember hearing about that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was like they were they weren't a holding pattern
Speaker 1: over the airport, and I can't The reason was is
Speaker 1: it his his some light had come on in his
Speaker 1: cockpit that that indicated his his landing gear wasn't down
Speaker 1: unlocked the way it should be. So he was flying
Speaker 1: around and they were trying to figure it out, and
Speaker 1: meantime he ran out of gas and crashed it in
Speaker 1: a Portland neighborhood. Luckily managed to hit a vacant lot
Speaker 1: and not too many people got killed. How long ago
Speaker 1: was this? It was years ago, like seven or eight years,
Speaker 1: would say, at least. Probably it's an old it'sn't old, Okay,
Speaker 1: a long time ago got it, but it's been speaking
Speaker 1: of but anyway, speaking of fuel, you know, there's there's
Speaker 1: a lot of theories out there, of course that this
Speaker 1: is some sort of conspiracy to hijack the plane and
Speaker 1: take the plane. And so as far as the fuel
Speaker 1: that was on the plane, um, you know, you don't
Speaker 1: really know how much got put into it because of
Speaker 1: somebody in the ground crew was in on the whole thing,
Speaker 1: then he could have actually put quite a bit more
Speaker 1: fuel in there. And so how do you know how
Speaker 1: much is like capacity like if it had been like
Speaker 1: fall up, how much fly time would it have had
Speaker 1: um in terms of I'm not sure about time because
Speaker 1: that depends on your speed. But the max range of
Speaker 1: the e R is seventies seven hundred nautical miles, which
Speaker 1: is like fourteen thou some kilometers something like that, which
Speaker 1: is like, yeah, I mean like just like an average speed,
Speaker 1: that'll get you a long way. So probably from from
Speaker 1: where they were at that I imagine that would get
Speaker 1: you to Europe. It will certainly get you if you
Speaker 1: wanted to go to kazakh Stan or Pakistan, and will
Speaker 1: get you there easy. Yeah, it doesn't look to it.
Speaker 1: It seems to me that based on the field that
Speaker 1: they had, if that's accurate, they didn't quite have enough
Speaker 1: to get them to Kasakh Stand or wherever there's some
Speaker 1: people are claiming they might be. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: if you look at those arrows and the fact that
Speaker 1: they were getting pain from that position at the eleven
Speaker 1: in the morning, well they were almost there, so maybe
Speaker 1: they did. Maybe they made it, I don't know what.
Speaker 1: So now now that we've got all the sort of
Speaker 1: basics down there, time to time to launch into the
Speaker 1: crazy theories. And they're not all crazy. Some of them
Speaker 1: are really rational pretty good, and some of them are
Speaker 1: a little out there, but you know, but you know,
Speaker 1: I've I've actually not included some of the most loneist ones.
Speaker 1: But don't worry, alright. So I divided the theories into
Speaker 1: into two categories. One is how, the other is why.
Speaker 1: So if you want to know, how did this happen?
Speaker 1: And why did it happen? Okay, So how so how
Speaker 1: did this thing disappear without a trace? Again, we've all
Speaker 1: seen the maps that indicate these arcs going northwest and
Speaker 1: also going southwest over the ocean. But since it was
Speaker 1: already headed northwest, I would surmise that it probably continued
Speaker 1: to go northwest. And so but if it continued to
Speaker 1: go northwest, it was it was going over all kinds
Speaker 1: of countries, a lot of countries airspace, like including China
Speaker 1: and places like that that are kind of touchy about
Speaker 1: their airspace. So how did ebate all these military radars
Speaker 1: of all these countries that it flew over? Okay, So
Speaker 1: theory number one, it didn't evade them across Chinese airspace
Speaker 1: and they shut them down. Well, and yeah, yeah, and
Speaker 1: now they're keeping quiet about it because there's kind of
Speaker 1: an embarrassing faux pas. I was talking to somebody before
Speaker 1: this about this, you know theory, and they said, yeah,
Speaker 1: but wouldn't somebody report that, like from China? And I thought,
Speaker 1: I feel like China is the perfect place to shoot
Speaker 1: somebody down there, right, there's a lot of open space.
Speaker 1: I just listened to something about how China is actually
Speaker 1: trying to relocate most of their farmers into urban area. Ye.
Speaker 1: So there's like a lot of kind of rural areas
Speaker 1: that are just abandoned with no old people. Yeah. China's
Speaker 1: like most countries around the world to most of the
Speaker 1: population is actually close to the coast. And this would
Speaker 1: be as far away from the Chinese coast as you
Speaker 1: can imagine the desert out there. Yeah, so it would
Speaker 1: be kind of a good place to shoot down So anyway,
Speaker 1: and then China, of course is what covering this up,
Speaker 1: because they were like, oh, oops, yeah, exactly, and so
Speaker 1: they and and and so. First thing that happens, the
Speaker 1: pilot comes back, so they shoot him because he might talk.
Speaker 1: So and then they sent about a brigadi of soldiers
Speaker 1: up there to clean up the mass and sanitize the side,
Speaker 1: and of course they shoot them and put them in
Speaker 1: a mass grave, and then of course the other Brigadi
Speaker 1: soldiers that had to dig the mass grade to bury
Speaker 1: then they are they all have to be shot too.
Speaker 1: But eventually, you know, eventually you get far enough down
Speaker 1: the l Yeah. Yeah, so that's a possibility. I'm not
Speaker 1: I don't totally give that a lot of credence myself.
Speaker 1: It does seem like somebody would have come forward and
Speaker 1: says something by now that pretty pretty big stretch. Yeah
Speaker 1: it is. And also I don't know if you guys
Speaker 1: have noticed a Chinese or kind of like the Russians
Speaker 1: and that they don't really care about world opinion very often.
Speaker 1: It would have been very easy for them to say
Speaker 1: they weren't responding to us, and we thought it was
Speaker 1: a danger, so we shot them down. Sorry, everyone, it's
Speaker 1: unknown aircraft and we thought it could have been a
Speaker 1: nuclear bomber, god knows what, you know. Definitely not like
Speaker 1: a good defense. But I gotta tell you one thing,
Speaker 1: if if if an unidentified Boeing seven seventy seven shows
Speaker 1: up outside like say Tel Aviv or Manhattan anytime in
Speaker 1: the next week or two, it's going to get shot down.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, alright, So another theory is that innovated
Speaker 1: radar because it flew in the shadow of another airliner.
Speaker 1: Oh I really like this. Yeah, it's it's a very
Speaker 1: credible theory. So a blogger who's in the aviation his
Speaker 1: name is Keith Ledgerwood. He matched up MH three seventies
Speaker 1: course to another flight another having seventy seven by the way,
Speaker 1: which is Singapore Air flight sixty eight, which is a
Speaker 1: route from Singapore to Barcelona, and it takes a route
Speaker 1: that kind of goes crosses where our flights three seventy
Speaker 1: was and continues on westward kind of westward, of northwestward
Speaker 1: across India, Pakistan, Afghanistan, etcetera, and so, and it was
Speaker 1: about at the same time. So he compared their flight
Speaker 1: paths and the timing and everything like that, and they
Speaker 1: were very close to each other, and our flight seven
Speaker 1: he could have swung in behind and just sort of
Speaker 1: shadowed it across all these countries, which would have required
Speaker 1: them to shadow them pretty closely. He would have. They
Speaker 1: would have had to be within about a thousand meters.
Speaker 1: What about below how do you mean right underneath like
Speaker 1: not like but like within a hundreds like but below thousands? Well, no, yeah,
Speaker 1: you wouldn't want to be right smacked behind me. Wanted
Speaker 1: either be above. But like if you was like kind
Speaker 1: of ow it, that gives you a little bit, then
Speaker 1: what does it give it more wiggle room? Is it? Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it gives you a little more. I mean, obviously the
Speaker 1: guy at Singapore Flight is not going to slam on
Speaker 1: his brakes. It wouldn't have any reason to you. But
Speaker 1: you know, you hit a little turbulence something like that.
Speaker 1: I mean, things can cause you to slow down and
Speaker 1: speed up and things like that, so obviously you want
Speaker 1: to give yourself as much wiggle room as you can,
Speaker 1: but still straight close. But and what I was wondering
Speaker 1: about that is, and I don't know this, so I'm
Speaker 1: going to ask, and I'm going to guess you have
Speaker 1: the answer. Is do planes, when they're in the air
Speaker 1: to track other planes that are around, do they run
Speaker 1: any kind of active radar of their own or they
Speaker 1: just follow their plan and presume nobody's going to be
Speaker 1: in the way. They leave it up to air traffic control. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: they don't run active active radar. I'm just thinking it
Speaker 1: was like, well, you know, why wouldn't he see that
Speaker 1: other plane if he accidentally got a little ahead of him,
Speaker 1: because they're always falling behind and a little in front.
Speaker 1: But if it's at night flying it, all their lights
Speaker 1: are on. That's what transponders off, and they're trusting right,
Speaker 1: air traffic control will be like, dude, there's a plane.
Speaker 1: Real clocks to get out of the way. Sorry. You
Speaker 1: ever see that movie Pushing Tin Now? I never saw that.
Speaker 1: It's oh Billy Bob Thornton and I can't remember. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it's there their air traffic controllers and all the
Speaker 1: crazy stuff that goes on, and that's that's when I
Speaker 1: can just I just I imagine that would be really
Speaker 1: difficult to be in that same situation while you're in
Speaker 1: your own plane. Yeah. So yeah, in terms of in
Speaker 1: terms of the civilian flight control, it probably would have
Speaker 1: worked just fine, especially since their transponder was off, because
Speaker 1: apparently the resolution on on civilian radars is not as
Speaker 1: precise as militaries military radars they have a higher resolution,
Speaker 1: which is why you have to stay really really close
Speaker 1: to keep them from figuring out as two separate objects.
Speaker 1: Although it's possible to they might see two separate objects
Speaker 1: and just concluded was a it was a echo, just
Speaker 1: an echo or or something like that. So uh, and
Speaker 1: then of course it could have peeled off anywhere, like
Speaker 1: say Pakistan, you know, gone out in Pakistan has lots
Speaker 1: and lots of big air strips. I had heard a
Speaker 1: theory that that or somebody claiming on the internet, and
Speaker 1: of course it was the internet right that Boeing was saying, no,
Speaker 1: you landed in Pakistan. But I have problems with that
Speaker 1: theory for other reasons. So they're they're claiming that Boeing
Speaker 1: is saying specifically they know where it's landed, but that
Speaker 1: like their technology tracking right, because there's I guess that there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: exactly was said that that it had landed in like
Speaker 1: Taliban controlled Pakistan. But I just feel like the Taliban
Speaker 1: are not the kind of group who are like, yeah,
Speaker 1: let's play this one close to the chest. Let's just
Speaker 1: like keep it on the d L like, let's tell
Speaker 1: anybody that we have this plane, and we have this plane.
Speaker 1: It depends on what they're going to do with it.
Speaker 1: If you're gonna fly over to Tell with a bunch
Speaker 1: of dirty bombs or New Yorks or something like that,
Speaker 1: then you obviously don't want to advertise a have it,
Speaker 1: but I mean obviously you are. I mean, like already
Speaker 1: this plane is like high profile. Yeah, well you gotta
Speaker 1: you want to definitely hide that thing and be discreet
Speaker 1: and how you bring it out. I was reading it
Speaker 1: because they actually interviewed some Taliban he's some Taliban guys
Speaker 1: and one of them, one of the spokesman spokesman, denied
Speaker 1: that that they had it, and they said they knew
Speaker 1: nothing about it. And they interviewed some other jihadi type guy,
Speaker 1: I don't know if he was Taliban or not, and
Speaker 1: he was saying he saying, no, we don't have it. Wow,
Speaker 1: that would be so cool. I really wish I wisht that,
Speaker 1: ye know, I would really love that. Sorry that was
Speaker 1: a little little side track. Yeah, So anyway, I find
Speaker 1: that there would be kind of credible that might have
Speaker 1: allowed them to evade radar. So next theory, how did
Speaker 1: they evade radar? Well, maybe they didn't go northwest. Maybe
Speaker 1: they actually did go southwest and head off sort of
Speaker 1: towards Diego, Garcia in that direction south Indian Ocean, and
Speaker 1: that eventually either found how to remote island somehow somewhere
Speaker 1: out there that had a long enough airstrip for them
Speaker 1: to land on Well, according to one nut job, he
Speaker 1: says that they crashed or he says that they probably
Speaker 1: crashed into the air base at Diego, Garcia, destroying lots
Speaker 1: and lots of valuable aircraft in the process. And according
Speaker 1: to this guy, this guy's conspiracy theory, the government's coming
Speaker 1: and covering it up because that's just what they do,
Speaker 1: and they're embarrassed earlier something and there there has been
Speaker 1: talk that it went to, uh is it on Deman
Speaker 1: Islands there in the Bay of Bengal and they're they've
Speaker 1: got there's one airport there that's big enough. Evidently they
Speaker 1: could land a triple seven. And so if it was
Speaker 1: heading southwest ish, that's you can understand where it was
Speaker 1: at a relation it could have gone there, except that
Speaker 1: nobody saw it. Yeah, exactly. They're popular, they're populated, and
Speaker 1: somebody would have noticed something huge like that coming into
Speaker 1: their airplane airport. Well, and I don't think that it's airport.
Speaker 1: That is what we consider an airport as in not
Speaker 1: a good tarmac, but it's kind of dirt. So you
Speaker 1: would imagine the landing gear in a plane that heavy
Speaker 1: coming in that fast would sink and snap and crash
Speaker 1: and then all see it, but they didn't. The pilot
Speaker 1: of this flight have like eighteen or like twenty years
Speaker 1: of flight experience, like hours. Yeah, he was like a
Speaker 1: really experienced pilot, so here shaw I think, and and
Speaker 1: he was like he was a guy and he uh
Speaker 1: is apparently or was hopefully is but it really endo flying.
Speaker 1: And as you guys have all heard, I'm sure that
Speaker 1: he had this flight simulator set up in his house
Speaker 1: and I saw I saw a picture of it. Was
Speaker 1: was really a pretty cool set up. It's like six
Speaker 1: big screens, big screen monitors and and a yoke and
Speaker 1: all that stuff. It was. I think that's you know,
Speaker 1: one of the interesting things is people keep talking about
Speaker 1: this is like when you look at pilots who are
Speaker 1: like going to be successfully be able to avert a
Speaker 1: midlight like a midflight crisis. This is the kind of
Speaker 1: pilot look for, right, Like he's supposedly like a really
Speaker 1: great pilot. Yeah, so he may have been capable of
Speaker 1: landing in I'm sure he actually was probably capable of
Speaker 1: landing in less than ideal circumstances. Might have also made
Speaker 1: him overconfident, Oh I've done this, I've done this before.
Speaker 1: And simulators have done this a thousand times. I can
Speaker 1: totally make this work, no problem. No, don't worry about that.
Speaker 1: I know you don't do that. I got this. You
Speaker 1: you know the guy who says I know it all.
Speaker 1: I'll take control of it all. Hang on the stick,
Speaker 1: everybody else, get out of the cockpit. Yeah, although cowboy mentality,
Speaker 1: and to be fair, right, we did just kind of
Speaker 1: mentioned this though people would have seen this like something
Speaker 1: would have said, I always saw that thing. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: know there could be uh, you know, I read one
Speaker 1: little bit somebody said that there was an old World
Speaker 1: War two B twenty nine landing strip in the Ottoman
Speaker 1: Islands somewhere, and I went out looking to try to
Speaker 1: find any any corroboration of that, and I couldn't find anything.
Speaker 1: So I have no idea there. And of course it
Speaker 1: depends if if somebody's actually using it, then it's gonna
Speaker 1: be kind of hard to not be noticed. If somebody
Speaker 1: nobody has been using it since World War Two, it's
Speaker 1: gonna be in such sad shape that, you know, it
Speaker 1: might not be possible to land on. So I you
Speaker 1: know again, but that the Pacific, I found a site
Speaker 1: where this guy it wasn't. It was not a well
Speaker 1: designed site at all. But this guy had pictures and
Speaker 1: drawings of of quite a few old landing strips out
Speaker 1: in the Pacific. And they're all over the place. I mean,
Speaker 1: they really are from from especially if dating from World
Speaker 1: War two time. There's a lot of a lot of
Speaker 1: little atolls and islands that just got turned into basically
Speaker 1: airports and nothing else. Some of those places, it's just
Speaker 1: a big runway and a little bit of extra land
Speaker 1: and that's it. And they're out in the middle of nowhere.
Speaker 1: So it's entirely possible they found one of these things.
Speaker 1: I mean, if it was a really well oiled, well
Speaker 1: organized conspiracy, which of course we're not sure. We're not
Speaker 1: sure that it is. It could have been totally just
Speaker 1: kind of an accident kind of thing. But but but
Speaker 1: they could have actually found one of these things and
Speaker 1: gotten a small freight or something like that and trucked
Speaker 1: out all the fuel that they need to refuel it
Speaker 1: and get it back on its way and get it
Speaker 1: somewhere to hide it up, to hide it. And so
Speaker 1: it's entirely possible. These things are all over the place. Well,
Speaker 1: I I was looking on the internet and uh W
Speaker 1: N y C, which is out of New York. They
Speaker 1: were doing a bunch of research on it. I found
Speaker 1: some of their stuff and they were saying that from
Speaker 1: the last one of the last known locations in that
Speaker 1: big circle of where this plane could have landed, there's
Speaker 1: over six hundred airports or runways that are big enough
Speaker 1: to land that triple seven. So it is possible that
Speaker 1: it was on an island, or it's some random remote
Speaker 1: airport somewhere that it somehow didn't get picked up by
Speaker 1: the radar. So it could possibly have been, you know,
Speaker 1: brought down and any number of places. And this is
Speaker 1: of course saying that it came down whole and was
Speaker 1: landed successfully. But there's also but there was one that
Speaker 1: I came across, and and this is getting into the
Speaker 1: you know, how did nobody see it kind of thing
Speaker 1: is and this is a really far fetched theory, and
Speaker 1: I'm going to say that on the outset, but somebody
Speaker 1: was saying that it was using cloaking technology and that's
Speaker 1: why you couldn't see it on the radar. Uh And
Speaker 1: there's a company called Freescale Semiconductor, and evidently they had
Speaker 1: twenty people twenty employees on that plane, and it sounds
Speaker 1: like they're involved in some government contracts, so potentially they
Speaker 1: could be in this we're trying to make invisibility cloak
Speaker 1: research stuff, and so maybe they did a live test
Speaker 1: of it and that's why they had so many of
Speaker 1: their employees on there. I I and this is this
Speaker 1: reminds me if remember at Lisa Lamb somebody said, oh,
Speaker 1: well there's an invisibility cloak. This is kind of long
Speaker 1: that same vein. But it's one of those series. It's
Speaker 1: out there. I don't put a lot of stock in it.
Speaker 1: It is out there. I think a more a more
Speaker 1: feasible technology. If you wanted a cloaking technology, um, something
Speaker 1: that would hide you from radar rather than you know,
Speaker 1: the visible life spectrum would be a lot more useful.
Speaker 1: And so you can I can you can imagine them
Speaker 1: doing something like that, like one of the thought one
Speaker 1: of the things they've talked about with with radar and
Speaker 1: also a sonar instead of trying to have like you know,
Speaker 1: sort of a stealth configuration of your whole or whatever
Speaker 1: your plane shape. Instead when you receive a signal and
Speaker 1: you know some of that's going to echo back to
Speaker 1: those people, which do is you So when you when
Speaker 1: you're hit with a signal, your computer just automatically sends
Speaker 1: back a canceling tone. So you know how canceling tones work. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so it's like like in sound. In sound, if if
Speaker 1: you're if your sound is being admitted, then you and
Speaker 1: you admit sound at the same time. That is exactly
Speaker 1: the opposite in the terms of the wavelength and the
Speaker 1: same wavelength, but they're just out of sync with each other,
Speaker 1: like they cancel each other out and you get silence.
Speaker 1: And there's been discussion about that kind of technology for
Speaker 1: things like radar and sonar. So yeah, so that's a
Speaker 1: conceivable thing, but again that's kind of hard to cover up. Okay,
Speaker 1: So I was reading today and I think this is
Speaker 1: the thing that came out like literally today, that there
Speaker 1: were some residents on a like really remote island in
Speaker 1: the Maldives. Is that how you say that those islands
Speaker 1: Aldives that saw jet matching the Malaysian airplane description flying
Speaker 1: as low maybe as eighty feet but probably more like
Speaker 1: five thousand feet. Some people said they could see, like
Speaker 1: clearly see the doors on this airplane was flying solo,
Speaker 1: they said, Then they yeah, it's super low. They said
Speaker 1: that they saw a large airliner or a jumbo jet
Speaker 1: um that was described as being white with red stripes
Speaker 1: on it, which is what the Malaysian air flight or
Speaker 1: the Malaysian air airplanes look like flying overhead um sometimes
Speaker 1: kind of last week and they're kind of they're in
Speaker 1: that radius. So I guess that's another theory, right, is
Speaker 1: that they could have maybe just flown so low that
Speaker 1: they were below radar, right, because that the thing you
Speaker 1: can do if you're especially if you're a good pilot.
Speaker 1: So I mean, you know it's a thing, right that
Speaker 1: you can fly low to avoid the radar and it
Speaker 1: up your fuel consumption. Is that true? But I don't
Speaker 1: think the Maldives are like that far out of range. No,
Speaker 1: It's just a question where do you go from there,
Speaker 1: especially since you know you're you're using up to feel
Speaker 1: att a buch higher rate because you're flying so low, right,
Speaker 1: So I don't know if I mean, I think that's
Speaker 1: kind of an area where there are a lot of islands, right,
Speaker 1: a lot of small islands. So I wonder if there's
Speaker 1: a small island that's fairly uninhabited or that's controlled by
Speaker 1: a certain group or something that they could have landed
Speaker 1: on and refueled or just be on and and and
Speaker 1: this is the weird thing, is that? Okay, so let's
Speaker 1: just say that that somebody for whoever it is, jack
Speaker 1: this plane. I don't I'm not saying who was involved,
Speaker 1: but they hijacked the plane and they landed on one
Speaker 1: of these little islands. What are you going to do
Speaker 1: with it? What's the deal? Why are what are you
Speaker 1: doing with this plane? I don't understand. That's what I
Speaker 1: can't understand. Come across all of these they were hijack theories.
Speaker 1: Is what are you going to do with that giant
Speaker 1: freaking plane? Well, I'm not not I guess it's not
Speaker 1: even what are you going to do with that plane? Right?
Speaker 1: But like what are you doing with the two and
Speaker 1: thirty nine people that are definitely worth money to a
Speaker 1: lot of countries? Well that's that's that's it. And that
Speaker 1: let me go to some of these things that this
Speaker 1: whole thing is is weird, and it makes me think
Speaker 1: of two different things and one only two. Well, no,
Speaker 1: and this this is going down a different road. But
Speaker 1: did either of you ever watch the Terrible miniseries or
Speaker 1: read the book The Lango Leers by Stephen King. Okay,
Speaker 1: it was this story of basically this plane that slipped
Speaker 1: out of time and then landed at an airport, and
Speaker 1: the languo Leers. Time every second is rebuilt and these
Speaker 1: things come along and they destroy it to recycle it
Speaker 1: to use later is kind of what the theory is.
Speaker 1: The story sounded much more interesting than the Mini Mini
Speaker 1: series was because it was really badly done because it
Speaker 1: was made for TV. But it makes me think of
Speaker 1: that because it was just just plane that just disappeared, okay,
Speaker 1: or it makes me think of Lost, Yeah, where this
Speaker 1: plane just disappears and nobody really cares that this plane disappeared.
Speaker 1: So I think I sent this out. As some of
Speaker 1: you may know, there's this little website called Reddit. There's
Speaker 1: this little there's this little so I read it called
Speaker 1: No Sleep, which is not meant to be like true
Speaker 1: stories necessarily, but some of them are touts true stories.
Speaker 1: And there's like a thread recently, not really I think
Speaker 1: I told you about it when it was happening. It
Speaker 1: was like, actually, I guess it was like when we
Speaker 1: first started of this guy who posted this story called
Speaker 1: my Last Flight, and it was just this really long
Speaker 1: story about how he was on this flight and suddenly
Speaker 1: like they had this engine glitch or something and then
Speaker 1: it like they slipped out of time. Basically they were
Speaker 1: just like in blackness. And then like a day later
Speaker 1: he posted a picture and it was like super like
Speaker 1: all the text that went with it was like really
Speaker 1: really garbled, and it was like a picture of him
Speaker 1: sitting next to the window, not him, but like his laptop,
Speaker 1: and he had written his like Reddit user name out
Speaker 1: and said like please help on this flight or something
Speaker 1: like that, taking a picture of that next to the window,
Speaker 1: and the window was like totally black, and if it
Speaker 1: was a photoshop, it was like a really really great photoshop.
Speaker 1: Maybe when it was nighttime. It wasn't like nighttime, like
Speaker 1: I just I it was solid black, you know what,
Speaker 1: like when you like take a picture out. I've taken
Speaker 1: pictures out of an airplane window when it's night It
Speaker 1: didn't look the same as that, but you're right, maybe
Speaker 1: it was anyways, so it's it's totally similar, right, where
Speaker 1: Like people were kind of talking about this like this
Speaker 1: phenomenon of like slipping out of time, kind of referencing
Speaker 1: like an Amelia air Heart sort of thing people just
Speaker 1: like slipping out of time or like ships slipping out
Speaker 1: of time, things like that. So, I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: I know it's a crackpot theory, but I kind of
Speaker 1: like it. It's it's it's an interesting thing to think, absolutely,
Speaker 1: and it's also a nice way to think of it
Speaker 1: because these people who have disappeared, well they're they're not dead.
Speaker 1: They're just haven't come back yet. They're just trapped in
Speaker 1: another dimension being being like tortured by time goblins. Goblins
Speaker 1: I've never heard of time goblins have. All right, well,
Speaker 1: let's get into the wise here. Let's talk about the
Speaker 1: wise alright, no particular order. So why did this happen?
Speaker 1: One possibility mentioned was that suicidal pilot syndrome. One of
Speaker 1: the pilots wanted to commit suicide and do it in
Speaker 1: a spectacular way. The problem with that is, you know,
Speaker 1: if you want to if you want to crash your
Speaker 1: plane and die and take a couple of hundred people
Speaker 1: with you, why do you think around for seven and
Speaker 1: some seven and a half hours the second thoughts? Second thoughts,
Speaker 1: seven thoughts. Yeah, the dumbest thing I ever heard in
Speaker 1: my entire Yeah. No, there is one possibility when you
Speaker 1: think about it. I mean, so when they first started
Speaker 1: going a little bit erratic, and they took that excursion
Speaker 1: of forty five feet, so I can imagine, say, let's
Speaker 1: say one of the pilots clocks the other one on
Speaker 1: the head because obviously the other one's not going to be,
Speaker 1: you know, too coopathetic about the whole thing, you know,
Speaker 1: and so he clocks him on the head and then
Speaker 1: just like takes the plane starts shooting the plane's highs
Speaker 1: you can go, and then just decompresses the entire plane,
Speaker 1: you know, hYP hypoxias sets in and and and everybody's
Speaker 1: dead and moments including you know, the suicidal pilot. And
Speaker 1: it takes one I did, because the air mass still drop,
Speaker 1: but they only have enough air for like ten or
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes or something like that is what I read. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I mean, you wouldn't have to stay up there
Speaker 1: for a super long time before everybody just eventually passes
Speaker 1: out and dies. Yeah, exactly, including you the pilot. And
Speaker 1: then I also heard the theory of catastrophic decompression in
Speaker 1: the like sucking everybody out of the plane catastrophica. Well,
Speaker 1: there's that. It depends on the size of the whole,
Speaker 1: because there've been there have been incidents like that in
Speaker 1: the past, where there was one where a big, a
Speaker 1: big section of a plane it was like going to Hawaii,
Speaker 1: I think, and a big chunk of it just blew away.
Speaker 1: It just tore off. And yeah, what stewardess got She
Speaker 1: was not belted in, so she got sucked out the
Speaker 1: whole and bye bye and uh. But apparently apparently she
Speaker 1: was the only casualty because everybody else was wearing their seatbelts.
Speaker 1: And actually, after I saw that story in the news,
Speaker 1: I started getting more religious about wearing my seatbelt on
Speaker 1: airplane totally. The thing is, Hollywood is screwed up everybody
Speaker 1: perspective of what happens with the You know, when a
Speaker 1: cabin depressure rises, everybody's hold god, everything, and all the
Speaker 1: seats come on unbolted, and yeah, ever happen, they're pretty stout. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that is a total trope by Hollywood. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: if you see that on a movie and suddenly every
Speaker 1: every seat just rattle rattle rattle, Yeah not real, no, no,
Speaker 1: not sorry to break your heart, but he's super shoddy airplane.
Speaker 1: Yeah maybe back in the day, not anymore. But yeah,
Speaker 1: definitely if you know, but if you're not built it in, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: you could very wind up, very well wind up going
Speaker 1: out through that hole. But of course that's way did decompress,
Speaker 1: ways to decompress the cabin without creating a big tornado
Speaker 1: of wind sucking. Yeah, but yeah, there, but there are
Speaker 1: other scenarios to like there. There is the whole failure scenario,
Speaker 1: which also incident that happened a while back, and that
Speaker 1: I was telling you guys about peeled away, which is
Speaker 1: not really consistent with the safety record of the seven
Speaker 1: seventy seven, but it could happen. Nor are like all
Speaker 1: the other stuff that happened on it, right, Yeah, well
Speaker 1: it's not consisted. Yeah, so that could cause a massive
Speaker 1: decompression and incapacitate the crew and all the passengers. But
Speaker 1: that wouldn't really explain why they took an excursion to
Speaker 1: feet now, it doesn't explain that at all because that
Speaker 1: kind of defeat that's counterintuitive. If you have a cabin
Speaker 1: decompression issue, you go down, yeah, you go lower. Although okay,
Speaker 1: so if stuff wasn't working right, like if they got
Speaker 1: maybe hit by a meteor or whatever, right, I don't
Speaker 1: know what happens to all the equipment inside of you
Speaker 1: if your cabin de compresses, right, So, and if you're no,
Speaker 1: I think I'm thinking more like, what's that other one
Speaker 1: we were talking about where it was in the middle
Speaker 1: of the night and if your equipment wasn't working particularly well,
Speaker 1: you wouldn't totally know which way was up or down?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that h so maybe I mean he was
Speaker 1: he was a very skilled pilot, this guy right right,
Speaker 1: and he had a much more technological he would like
Speaker 1: on low oxygen or like panicking in the moment. Yeah,
Speaker 1: decompression wouldn't cause the instruments on the plane to malfunction,
Speaker 1: but they definitely could could interfere with your judgment, you know, perception.
Speaker 1: So it's possible. So he thought he was going down
Speaker 1: and he was going up, Yeah, which is making even
Speaker 1: worse just getting better? Wise, th't this getting better? And
Speaker 1: then dive because yeah, again I don't. I don't buy
Speaker 1: that because they have oxygen masks in the in the cockpit,
Speaker 1: and I imagine they have a much longer time than
Speaker 1: I have heard. I've heard vary varying lengths. I've heard
Speaker 1: thirty minutes on those. So it's about a double what
Speaker 1: the cabin time is. But that's more than enough time
Speaker 1: to get you down, get you self down to under
Speaker 1: ten thousands, to regain your judgment and realizing right. And
Speaker 1: so the thing about it is is like it's just
Speaker 1: like what they tell you when you're on the plane.
Speaker 1: They say if if, if, if this mask pops out,
Speaker 1: and say, you get your kids right next to want
Speaker 1: to put the mask on the kid, You put your
Speaker 1: mask on first. Before you put the mask on the kid.
Speaker 1: You put that mask on yourself first, because if you don't,
Speaker 1: then you might wind up just succumbing to hypoxia. And
Speaker 1: so the same thing was so the same thing with
Speaker 1: the pilots. I mean, when that mask pops out, the
Speaker 1: very first thing they're gonna do is grab that they
Speaker 1: can put it on their face. And so they're probably
Speaker 1: not going to have any sort of mental issues or
Speaker 1: anything like that. They shouldn't. They shouldn't. Yeah, Okay, so suicidal,
Speaker 1: we're gonna we're gonna rule out the suicidal pilot syndrome
Speaker 1: um and I think we can really rule out a
Speaker 1: sudden accidental decompression. Another theory that's been floated is that
Speaker 1: it was taken for ransom. So the plane and the
Speaker 1: passengers are worth a hell of a lot. Those those
Speaker 1: planes retail for two d and sixty two million bucks.
Speaker 1: Ye ye, yeah, I know. So the insurers, I'm sure
Speaker 1: it would be happy to pay like, you know, fifty million,
Speaker 1: a hundred million to get it back. Yeah. Yeah, the
Speaker 1: peoples a ransom all of those people off as well. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I feel like human beings are worth a good amount
Speaker 1: of money to people who they usually the usually are. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So you know, somebody is speculated that there may be
Speaker 1: secret negotiations already underway, said it might be maybe maybe
Speaker 1: a government or governments are negotiating with these people. That's
Speaker 1: the thing I ever heard. Well, yeah, the third time
Speaker 1: I've heard that tonight. Yeah. The uh, it seems a
Speaker 1: little unlikely because the problem with that is is that
Speaker 1: there's really no reason to keep it a secret. And
Speaker 1: if you do keep it a secret, when eventually you
Speaker 1: publicize the fact that you kept all these families in
Speaker 1: the dark for all this time, I mean, it's going
Speaker 1: to be hell to pay. So I find that a
Speaker 1: little hard to believe. Uh, and and and so since
Speaker 1: it's not likely to have been kept secret, then obviously
Speaker 1: ransom seems to be kind of out of the picture.
Speaker 1: I've got I've got one, you got one, Yeah, I've
Speaker 1: got another one that I came across, which the background
Speaker 1: audit is that evidently Boeing has been in the process
Speaker 1: of trying to upgrade the network system in their planes,
Speaker 1: the internal networks that tied all the computers, and those
Speaker 1: planes have a USB drive at every seat or a port,
Speaker 1: I should say, not a drive, but a port, and
Speaker 1: Boeing is realized that the networks are all tied together,
Speaker 1: as in every computer in the plane, including the flight computer,
Speaker 1: is all network together. So it's possible that somebody could
Speaker 1: have not hijacked it, but they're calling it a hack jack.
Speaker 1: They hacked the system. And then if I've got my
Speaker 1: little tablet in my hand and I plug it in
Speaker 1: and I hit the button and it executes a program,
Speaker 1: and suddenly I'm in control of the plane and is
Speaker 1: playing the controls on my you know, and doing stuff
Speaker 1: on my little tablet. Nobody's the wiser. The crew is
Speaker 1: freaking out, but nobody knows. And so I could plug
Speaker 1: in a new course and all my new settings and
Speaker 1: just let the thing go on autopilot and shut down
Speaker 1: all the communications, so it goes dark and it's not
Speaker 1: painting anything because I'm just in control. I'm just sitting
Speaker 1: here flying the plane. Now. I don't know why somebody
Speaker 1: would do that, and I know how the heck they
Speaker 1: would have got it back on the ground. But it's
Speaker 1: real hard to land a plane on autopilot. I feel, yeah,
Speaker 1: probably actually a lot of I've crashed many a plane
Speaker 1: in a flight similarly simulator trying to do autopilot. It's
Speaker 1: not good. Supposedly most of the modern planes can land themselves.
Speaker 1: They don't. Actually, yeah, they can land themselves. So but
Speaker 1: but the whole thing about it is is, um, you've
Speaker 1: taken command of the plane. And by the way, there's
Speaker 1: just an editorialized for a second. Boeing really actually did
Speaker 1: network the flight computer and all that stuff in with
Speaker 1: all the other stuff in the plane. What an idiotic
Speaker 1: thing to do. I suspect they didn't intentionally do it,
Speaker 1: but that their firewalls were not as robust as they
Speaker 1: thought they were sore the process of upgrading everything to
Speaker 1: try and separate it. Evidently, according to the reports that
Speaker 1: I've read, I think like it would be like, I mean,
Speaker 1: a skilled hacker, if you're if you share hardware with
Speaker 1: the thing that's connected by the same wires, right, even
Speaker 1: if it doesn't technically share the same network, if you've
Speaker 1: still got wires that are connected to the same hardware,
Speaker 1: you can hack into it. But it's I mean, it
Speaker 1: takes it like a very malicious, thoughtful act. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: definitely idiots. Yeah yeah, well if that's true, I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's it's hard. It's hard to believe that they could
Speaker 1: possibly have done something like that. Yeah, but you ever now,
Speaker 1: I mean, this goes back to why would you do that?
Speaker 1: What are you now doing now that you've done it? Yeah?
Speaker 1: So the problem I have with with that is number one,
Speaker 1: you're taking a big chance that you're not going to
Speaker 1: screw things up and get yourself killed. And the other
Speaker 1: thing is that you take over the plane and you're
Speaker 1: flying it off to wherever you feel like taking it
Speaker 1: off to. What's the first thing the pilots you're gonna do.
Speaker 1: They Well, they're going to try to get control back
Speaker 1: first of all. Second of all, they're going to get
Speaker 1: on the radio and start talking to ground controls. Not
Speaker 1: if they've if you've disabled the communications right there, Clearly,
Speaker 1: if you can hack into the computer. You can shut
Speaker 1: down all the communications, so they wouldn't be able to
Speaker 1: call because you've turned the power off, for lack of
Speaker 1: a better term, you shut down the radio, You've shut
Speaker 1: down everything. You're turning off all the corresponding systems. They
Speaker 1: can call all they want, but they're talking into a
Speaker 1: dead mic. Yeah, so this hack, it would have to
Speaker 1: be somebody who really knew a hell of a lot
Speaker 1: about the second. It would have to be somebody that
Speaker 1: somehow got ahold of Boeing's information to know how they're
Speaker 1: os were. Yeah, I was thinking there had to be
Speaker 1: somebody that actually actually wrote code for Boeing. I would
Speaker 1: think you would think or had had gotten access to it,
Speaker 1: then interpreted, figure out how to how to get in it,
Speaker 1: rewrite and all. I mean, there's there's a whole host
Speaker 1: of things that would be required for this to be
Speaker 1: a viable situation or viable way for it to happen.
Speaker 1: It's possible, It's scarily possibly. Yeah, the Malaysians are now
Speaker 1: they're they're looking into every single passenger that was on
Speaker 1: the plan, and so there any ex Boeing employees that
Speaker 1: were on the plane. I guess, I guess we'll find
Speaker 1: out about it. Yeah, well, you know, they were they
Speaker 1: were focusing on the two guys that were on the
Speaker 1: plane that had fake passports, were stolen passports, and they've
Speaker 1: obviously ruled them out. Evidently they see now those guys
Speaker 1: were seeking asylum somewhere else. Yeah, they've they've been looking
Speaker 1: into randomly people. So it sounds like systematically they're doing
Speaker 1: it now, Is that what you're saying. Yeah, yeah, they are,
Speaker 1: they're they're they're pretty much checking out everybody that was
Speaker 1: on the plane. I'm sure some people, you know, are
Speaker 1: getting more scrutiny than other people, but yeah, definitely everybody's
Speaker 1: being looked at. So what about a fire. There's a fire,
Speaker 1: it's a possibility, like an electrical fire of some kind,
Speaker 1: that is that is one of the things that yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it came across. So here's here's how this breaks down.
Speaker 1: And it was a pilot I think that that posted
Speaker 1: this or it was in this news article. Basically how
Speaker 1: I understand it happening is what he was theorizing is
Speaker 1: that if at takeoff there is a fire, a fire
Speaker 1: starts with the landing gear because it was it was hot,
Speaker 1: so the tires would have had as much pressure in
Speaker 1: them too, because the compensate for that or because of that,
Speaker 1: and so then that would cause a small fire to
Speaker 1: start in the gear, which then would work through the
Speaker 1: hydraulic lines then could get into the electrical system. So
Speaker 1: then it causes an electrical system fire, which, according to
Speaker 1: this guy, then the pilots would This might explain why
Speaker 1: everything shut off. Is the pilots are, oh God, something's
Speaker 1: on fire. They're trying to put out the fire, and
Speaker 1: they're also going through and yanking all the electrical busses
Speaker 1: out to stop electricity flowing too so that it doesn't spread.
Speaker 1: And either it damages something enough that when they put
Speaker 1: it back in it doesn't work, or they just can't
Speaker 1: get it in for whatever reason. They can't get the
Speaker 1: whole thing to come back up. Uh. And that actually, Joe,
Speaker 1: which the plane change cores? And which way did it
Speaker 1: head when it had its sudden weird diversion in course?
Speaker 1: Southwest so or northwest right? Yeah, And they were saying
Speaker 1: that the change in elevation may have been because of
Speaker 1: the problems with the computer, because of the fire, And
Speaker 1: then this guy was saying that, Okay, well, I can
Speaker 1: totally explain why this pilot did this is there he's
Speaker 1: saying that the pilot was going to the lank Cowie Island. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And the reason that they say that they would have
Speaker 1: gone to this airport is pilots are trained that when
Speaker 1: your systems are hosed, you don't want to go near
Speaker 1: anything that has obstacles, and you don't want to go
Speaker 1: near anything that has people. So they're going to take
Speaker 1: an oversea route with no mountains in the way, and
Speaker 1: they're going to do their best to get to that
Speaker 1: airport to then land in a catastrophic situation. And according
Speaker 1: to him, it sounds like then he's saying, basically they
Speaker 1: were trying to get there and they probably didn't make it.
Speaker 1: Put down in the seat, yeah, yeah, So like HOWI
Speaker 1: is like, it's kind of on their route. I mean,
Speaker 1: they were headed in that direction, but it's on the
Speaker 1: opposite side of the peninsula. But there's no giant there's
Speaker 1: no big mountains, it's very low terrain, so they don't
Speaker 1: have to because they probably don't have you know, all
Speaker 1: their systems are hosed, so it's very easy just to
Speaker 1: go this direction. No, I'm not going to run into anything,
Speaker 1: literally run into anything. Yeah, and then and then what happened?
Speaker 1: Why do they not land there? He thinks that because
Speaker 1: of the the electrical fire, it just sabotaged the system
Speaker 1: so bad that eventually they gave out and the plane crash.
Speaker 1: Like yeah, that's it's it just seems like there's a
Speaker 1: lot more land in between where they were and where
Speaker 1: they were going than there is ocean, right because where
Speaker 1: do I mean right now? Okay, he's crossing a lot
Speaker 1: more land and get into this and then yeah, and
Speaker 1: they made they flipped a U turn in like kind
Speaker 1: of on the ocean, right Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: I'm not I think it's a really interesting compelling theory. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's valid based on this guy's experience, and he
Speaker 1: puts forth a good case. Yeah, definitely. So, I mean
Speaker 1: it's hard to say. So Okay, it's a electrical fire.
Speaker 1: That's a definite possibility. Another theory that's put been put
Speaker 1: forth is that the plane was taken because there was
Speaker 1: a person or an object on the plane that the
Speaker 1: pirates really wanted badly. Oh, that it was air piracy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so pirates. But you know that's that's the whole thing
Speaker 1: about that is there's got to be easier ways to
Speaker 1: get your hands on that person or that object. There's
Speaker 1: got to be easy. Didn't we learn anything from Ocean's
Speaker 1: eleven through Yeah? I thought it was eleven eighteen or something.
Speaker 1: Was just the three of them? Yeah, they only made three.
Speaker 1: It just seemed like they kept coming. I know it
Speaker 1: was extensive. Yeah, back to back to square one here. Okay,
Speaker 1: So another series that it was hijack for an immediate
Speaker 1: nine eleven style attack, and uh, of course taking it
Speaker 1: back to Kuala Lumpur would be great for that because
Speaker 1: Kawala Empurr has got lots and lots of really tall
Speaker 1: buildings and it'd be it'd be a great target for
Speaker 1: your Alqaia types because as you as you guys all know,
Speaker 1: I'm shared, Malaysian Islam is a lot more moderate than
Speaker 1: your hardcore um Islamist kind of stuff. Is. Well, it's
Speaker 1: right near Singapore kind of two, right, yeah, and there's
Speaker 1: lots of big buildings building to fairly liberal and western
Speaker 1: there's yeah, yeah, and so you know, lots of good
Speaker 1: tall buildings to crash into. The British Intelligence had had
Speaker 1: interrogated a guy on Alkada type who informed on them
Speaker 1: and he was aware he was a Malaysian. He was
Speaker 1: aware of some Malaysian Al Qaida members who wanted to
Speaker 1: pull off a nine eleven style attack. According to this guy,
Speaker 1: he went to the informer went to a training camp
Speaker 1: in Afghanistan, and they gave him a couple of real
Speaker 1: high tech exploding shoes and shoe bombs. Yeah and so
Speaker 1: really yeah, and so you've got in contact with these
Speaker 1: when when he was he was, they instructed him. At
Speaker 1: some point he got him back to he got them
Speaker 1: back home, and they instructed apparently he got instructions from
Speaker 1: all kind of central or whatever that this group of
Speaker 1: Malaysians was serious and when that he should turn over
Speaker 1: one of his shoe bombs to them so that they
Speaker 1: could use it to blow open the cockpit door. Because,
Speaker 1: as you know, cockpit doors are a lot stronger than
Speaker 1: they used to be. Yeah, yeah, yeah, they're and they're
Speaker 1: heavily reinforced now they're they're a lot beef here and
Speaker 1: they used to be. So the idea was that they
Speaker 1: were gonna this group was going to use the shoe
Speaker 1: bomb to blow open the door and take over the
Speaker 1: airplane and go do another nine eleven. So it's conceivable
Speaker 1: something like that happened. That would explain, for example, the
Speaker 1: excursion of forty feet, because if you're the pilots of
Speaker 1: the plane and you got these guys, these guys coming
Speaker 1: into your cockpit, what do you do. You'd like, hammer
Speaker 1: the throttles forward as hard as you can and point
Speaker 1: that nose up and send them tumbling back down the cabin.
Speaker 1: Bring that. Yeah, yeah, I I The problem I have
Speaker 1: with these terrorist theories is that I feel like the
Speaker 1: big terrorist groups again I think I said this a
Speaker 1: little bit earlier, aren't necessarily known for their like play
Speaker 1: close to the chest behavior. When they do stuff like this,
Speaker 1: they're like, yeah, that was us, what look what we
Speaker 1: did this? Yeah. Of course there was kind of a
Speaker 1: failure on their parts, so I don't know. They may
Speaker 1: have killed a bunch of people. Yeah, so cool they did.
Speaker 1: There was an act of terrorism we did but we
Speaker 1: killed but we killed a bunch. So and the only
Speaker 1: the only thing with the only terrorist group that I've
Speaker 1: heard so far that's come out and said yeah, we
Speaker 1: did this with this group that's like kind of near
Speaker 1: the China Russia order. So yeah, the weaker and everybody
Speaker 1: pretty much has been like, okay, weakers, that's cute. You
Speaker 1: think you could do this, but I don't know, like
Speaker 1: maybe they could have, maybe they actually did do this. Like,
Speaker 1: I don't know how seriously people are taking this. I
Speaker 1: I just think that it is the American propensity and
Speaker 1: I guess probably the world propensity at this point to
Speaker 1: say that Taliman probably did it. Taliban they're great scapecoat
Speaker 1: and there they tend to be pretty piste off at
Speaker 1: a lot of people, especially I wouldn't call them escapegoad say,
Speaker 1: but I guess it doesn't necessarily make sense that they
Speaker 1: would do this to like a Malaysian airline, right, Like,
Speaker 1: if they were going to do it, it seems like
Speaker 1: it would be a less Muslim, more western country, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean I kinda are you talking about al Qaida
Speaker 1: or the Weakers? Okay, yeah, but they've never hesitated to
Speaker 1: kill other Muslims. I mean, And besides, the plane was
Speaker 1: almost entirely filled with Chinese people. Yeah that's fair. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean maybe, but it just seemed is like al
Speaker 1: Qaeda and the Taliban like to take credit for their stuff. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think one of those groups did it. We know,
Speaker 1: because they are we said they are going to claim responsibility. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and unless unless, of course, the next thing. But when
Speaker 1: we get to that in a separate back to the
Speaker 1: back to the week or so, I just want to
Speaker 1: I do want to say that the part of the
Speaker 1: west part of western China that they inhabit is kind
Speaker 1: of like really on the flight path of that plane,
Speaker 1: so that that does lend a little bit of credibility
Speaker 1: to it. Yeah, which is interesting again, right because everybody's
Speaker 1: been saying, okay, cute, all right, you guys like just
Speaker 1: go keep saying you're doing it. I don't know, and again,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know how much actual investigation, credence,
Speaker 1: anything has happened with that, but you know, I'm sure
Speaker 1: apparently did like day one say yeah we did that.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm thinking that and maybe they did. I
Speaker 1: don't know how easy it is to hide a plane
Speaker 1: that side. I don't imagine a lot of satellite photos
Speaker 1: would be screw particularly hard. Right now. China is pretty
Speaker 1: good at stuff, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly, yeah, uh stuff,
Speaker 1: and they are that's actually their national motto, yeah smaller alright.
Speaker 1: So anyway, I know the next theory, uh, this was
Speaker 1: put forth by well not just him, but by the
Speaker 1: Malaysian Prime minister said that it possibly could have been
Speaker 1: taken for a quote unquote later use. Didn't you say
Speaker 1: that before? They like admitted a lot of stuff though, um,
Speaker 1: what I feel like it was pretty early. He was
Speaker 1: like it might have been taken for a later use.
Speaker 1: And then he was like, oh and actually we tracked
Speaker 1: it for way longer than we said. No, No, it
Speaker 1: was happy to getting a lot of bad press. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they happen kind of doing a really bad job. Yeah,
Speaker 1: their communications have not been good. Yeah, no, I mean
Speaker 1: it was he came he said, this came out of
Speaker 1: the press conference. That was after they tracked it, and
Speaker 1: it's and they tracked all of it's like you know,
Speaker 1: gyrations turning around, coming back across some lay peninsula and
Speaker 1: then being tracked by radar up north and then and
Speaker 1: then they would established by the pinging of the satellite
Speaker 1: from the ACR system that it was either you know,
Speaker 1: headed off towards Kazakh Standard or towards the GARCIA. So
Speaker 1: that was about. That was about when he said that
Speaker 1: that it might have been taken for later use. And
Speaker 1: you know, and so the question is is what is
Speaker 1: that later use? Well? Yeah, well what is it? Well?
Speaker 1: Delivering a new delivering a bunch of dirty bombs. I've
Speaker 1: taken the liberty of compiling this list of targets here.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I know. Why is Joe always trying to
Speaker 1: get us on every watchless pass right now? He's always Oh,
Speaker 1: I've got this awesome list. Look at this thing I compiled.
Speaker 1: It's totally top secret. I mean no, it's not. I
Speaker 1: mean it's top it's not. Look at all these places
Speaker 1: that I would totally take all this stuff if I
Speaker 1: get my good Yeah. Now, So anyway, so it's a
Speaker 1: possibility that they maybe it is wanted for use as
Speaker 1: a delivery device, you know, say a nuke or some
Speaker 1: dirty bombs or whatever. And I'm just gonna go on
Speaker 1: the record right now, I don't buy this. I agree
Speaker 1: with it because we've already talked about how hard it's
Speaker 1: gonna be for somebody to have landed this plane somewhere undetected.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go step further, not only that, but then
Speaker 1: to get it back off the ground and to its
Speaker 1: potential destination undetected. I guess potentially you could pretend to
Speaker 1: be another flight who's in distress, and there could be
Speaker 1: some weird confusion and it would allow you to get
Speaker 1: close enough. But I just I don't feel like right
Speaker 1: now at this point, if a flight went up and
Speaker 1: they were like, hey, that's an unidentified seven seven seven
Speaker 1: and and the transponder right, like the thing that sends
Speaker 1: pings unless they strip that thing off that you're talking about,
Speaker 1: the A cars, the cars, the cars could potentially be
Speaker 1: completely shut down though, right, but it would have to
Speaker 1: be right, You would have to be completely sure then
Speaker 1: at that point, like you've got a seven seven seven
Speaker 1: that has literally no A cars and it's totally unidentified
Speaker 1: being picked up on radar, right, and you go, oh no,
Speaker 1: we're in distress. People are gonna be like, uh no,
Speaker 1: clearly you have a Malaysia flight you They're going to
Speaker 1: send their little scramble some jets out to you and
Speaker 1: probably down I frankly am in favor of shooting down
Speaker 1: all seven seven seven. But the uh, the the thing
Speaker 1: about it is, it's like supposing you use that same
Speaker 1: radar shadowing technique that we talked about previously. All right,
Speaker 1: so let's say you want to like, you know, hit
Speaker 1: a major city or whatever, you know, so you so
Speaker 1: you do the whole sneak in Obviously you don't want
Speaker 1: to do it at night. It's gonna have to be
Speaker 1: a nighttime thing, sneaking right behind another another jet liner.
Speaker 1: And so the question is is you know where do
Speaker 1: you sneak into? So here's some possibilities. Um, you recognize
Speaker 1: this New York. Yeah, that's one possibility. Next one Los Angeles.
Speaker 1: That seems like a far away place to go. No,
Speaker 1: not necessarily. Um you remember this as the extended range.
Speaker 1: You know they could and if they went northwest it
Speaker 1: would be really easy. Rate Yeah, they've got like and
Speaker 1: and don't forget the the payload on this thing is huge.
Speaker 1: So I mean, if you if you're planing, is carrying
Speaker 1: just you know, pilot co pilots, some a fugie hottie
Speaker 1: boys to have to handle the nuke and stuff like that,
Speaker 1: and that's it. Plus the nuke you know that's pretty
Speaker 1: lightly loaded. It can go, it'll it'll go further, so
Speaker 1: you can go a good long ways. So the Hollywood
Speaker 1: scenari under this, under this one, m I've got the
Speaker 1: thing being used as basically an improvised bomber. So here's
Speaker 1: a seating chart and layout of the seven seventies seven.
Speaker 1: Here these are the emergency exits here, and you notice
Speaker 1: that for them are behind the wings, so you no
Speaker 1: need to worry about killing your engines by having a
Speaker 1: dirty bomb slamming your jetty engine at high speed. So yeah,
Speaker 1: there we go. So you you would have to decompress
Speaker 1: or depressurized little cabin in order to do this, which
Speaker 1: means everybody who had to wear a breathing apparatus. But
Speaker 1: supposing you wanted to inflict maximum damage on the Infidel
Speaker 1: Poe as you possibly could, So here's here's a picture
Speaker 1: of it. You can see you can see an outside
Speaker 1: view of this this after escape tour, and it's it's nice.
Speaker 1: It's got a nice little threshold, which which means that
Speaker 1: after you pop that thing upen and start chunking out
Speaker 1: dirty bombs, you're like, there's no chance they're going to
Speaker 1: hear your tail. He's really seriously trying to get us
Speaker 1: on the watch lest Yeah, man, I just want to like,
Speaker 1: I just want to like disclaimer, Joe only, Joe only.
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not saying that. I'm not saying I
Speaker 1: want this to happen. I'm saying it's something we should
Speaker 1: be thinking about. All right, So what's your next your
Speaker 1: next target. Okay, after Hollywood. That's why, that's why I'm
Speaker 1: picturing in picturing in southern California. It's a target rich environment.
Speaker 1: Los Angeles Harbor is the largest port on the West Coast.
Speaker 1: I mean it's as it towers above all the other ports.
Speaker 1: The other ports are Long Beach right next to it,
Speaker 1: which is the second largest port on the West Coast.
Speaker 1: Then after that Seattle, Tacoma, Portland, and so. But but
Speaker 1: Los Angeles and Long Beach together dwarf all three of
Speaker 1: the all. Okay, yeah, so it would be a major
Speaker 1: blow to our economy to dirty bomb these guys. Next up, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Disney World for Disneyland, not after spend dirty dirty Bob
Speaker 1: is green now from the radiation. Yeah, and uh, next,
Speaker 1: next up, this little guy right here. This is where
Speaker 1: this is where you administer the Q de gra. I
Speaker 1: mean you're going all the way down the southern California
Speaker 1: coast talk chucking out dirty bombs all along the way.
Speaker 1: So you're you're looking at this is one extended flight
Speaker 1: where they are just dropping bomb after bob. It's truly
Speaker 1: a bomber. Yeah, it's not a crash and throw off
Speaker 1: one and explode one. And I just say this is
Speaker 1: this is a possibility, is that you know, a play
Speaker 1: in the size and carry a pretty pretty big bayload payload,
Speaker 1: they could actually come in and you know, I mean
Speaker 1: and and more likely, if they do something like this,
Speaker 1: it's just going to be a single nuke and that's it.
Speaker 1: But I'm saying that if they wanted to do something
Speaker 1: really really really hamous, I mean, they could be giving
Speaker 1: some bad people some good ideas. The nice thing is
Speaker 1: to actually statistics proved that bad people don't listen to
Speaker 1: our podcast. Our market research has been completed. Absolutely. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So anyway, so here it is. This is a naval
Speaker 1: base at San Diego, homeport of the Pacific Fleets. You
Speaker 1: would take out a lot of incredibly valuable naval assets
Speaker 1: if you touched off a nuke over this thing. Or
Speaker 1: you could dirty bomb this and then proceed south not
Speaker 1: too far to Tijuana and then nuke Tijuana just to
Speaker 1: ruin life for everyone. Yeah, but just just to prove Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know, seriously, wasn't that ruin everything? Not only did
Speaker 1: you like take out all our West Coast sports, but
Speaker 1: also to want no Diszealand and wants gone out alive?
Speaker 1: Uh and just just I don't want to see them
Speaker 1: too ethnocentric here. I mean, there's other possibilities Dubai for one, Yeah,
Speaker 1: the Yeah, I mean number one, you've got this big
Speaker 1: hawk and tower, uh the College Dubai, I think it's called.
Speaker 1: And I've read reports that al Qaeda assuming to get
Speaker 1: back to the Alcaida thing, necessarily Alchaida, but if it
Speaker 1: is al Kaida and they've got this thing, they might
Speaker 1: want to actually do something to the Emirateds because I've
Speaker 1: I've been understanding that they've been kind of turning their
Speaker 1: attention to the United that they're not so happy with
Speaker 1: what they're doing there. Yeah, well there's a lot of
Speaker 1: I mean, just look at this. Is that not decadent? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Is that is? Yeah? Yeah? A giant shining tower of Babel.
Speaker 1: Yeah is what that is? It actually literally looks a
Speaker 1: bit like the tower. It does. Yeah. So the so
Speaker 1: that these are, there's there's just some some various possibility
Speaker 1: if it was oh yeah, I mean there's just tons
Speaker 1: of tons of good places to bomb. If you're like,
Speaker 1: you know, a suicide bomber kind of guy, and you
Speaker 1: just happened to have a nuke that the Pakistani's gave
Speaker 1: you maybe Russia, I mean at that point, who knows. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well so anyway, Um, but there are there other possibilities
Speaker 1: out there too. I read an article by a pilot
Speaker 1: named Bill Palmer, and he was talking about how the
Speaker 1: behavior of the plane, all the course changes and and
Speaker 1: everything else. House A few changes were actually consistent with
Speaker 1: the plane flying without an operator, so the crew was incapacitated,
Speaker 1: but flying without an operator and not on autopilot. But
Speaker 1: even even without autopilot, the seven seventy seven will fly itself.
Speaker 1: But without an autopilot or an operator or a flight
Speaker 1: plan to tell it where to go, it's just going
Speaker 1: to sort of fire and anously. The course changes can
Speaker 1: happen because of turbulence. One week will get lifted up
Speaker 1: a little higher, and the will cause it to turn
Speaker 1: things like that, and so it's according to this guy,
Speaker 1: it's con instant with basically a rudderless plane. It'll just
Speaker 1: keep going until it runs out of fuel and crashes.
Speaker 1: I don't like that as good as my my later
Speaker 1: use theory. I think later uses a lot of sex here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't think that's the term that I would use
Speaker 1: for that here. Well, Okay, So I think I asked
Speaker 1: you this earlier, Joe, and and this is this is
Speaker 1: me from Leyman's term or Leyman's perspective of it. And
Speaker 1: I don't understand exactly how these giant planes work. I don't.
Speaker 1: The mechanics is but beyond me. And I admit this fully.
Speaker 1: But what I was wondering about is that I've I've
Speaker 1: seen all these things where people are thinking the plane
Speaker 1: has been ditched in the oceans on that whether for
Speaker 1: whatever reason it went down in the ocean. If I'm
Speaker 1: looking at it from the perspective of somebody intentionally ditched it,
Speaker 1: and they ditched it in the ocean and then do
Speaker 1: whatever to salvage it, whatever it is. I know that
Speaker 1: again this is the Hollywood trope. Whenever the plane comes
Speaker 1: down on the water, it smack smack, crash, tumble, tumble boom,
Speaker 1: like things don't go well. But knowing how big and
Speaker 1: stable this plane is, I was thinking about it the
Speaker 1: other day and I was wondering, like, wouldn't it be
Speaker 1: possible if you know that you're gonna have to go
Speaker 1: down to come down to a low altitude and really
Speaker 1: slow the speed down, and you guys have made paper
Speaker 1: airplanes before, right? Have you ever you ever thrown an
Speaker 1: airplane and it does the loopy loop and then it
Speaker 1: comes out of that and it comes through the bottom
Speaker 1: of its arc, and it goes up just a little bit,
Speaker 1: noses up, and then it just sets down on the
Speaker 1: ground and just kind of I'm not Alane, well, you
Speaker 1: know it's it's it's a talent. I can't help it.
Speaker 1: But the point is, is it possible with a plane
Speaker 1: like that to have to slow it down enough and
Speaker 1: to get it to kind of nose up and then
Speaker 1: lose the inertia and stall out and just drop you know,
Speaker 1: let's say fifty feet or twenty feet or whatever it is,
Speaker 1: just boom, just drop it flat into the wall rather
Speaker 1: than trying to skid it across the wall. I feel
Speaker 1: like that would break the wings off. I don't know that.
Speaker 1: That's why I'm asking, because I wonder about that. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that The thing about that is is like
Speaker 1: your paper airplane is is moving at a fairly slow speed,
Speaker 1: and then it goes up and its stalls and it
Speaker 1: comes down. But the problem is is that for about
Speaker 1: seven seven, seven seventy seven stall speed is is I don't.
Speaker 1: I'm not I don't know exactly what stall speed is,
Speaker 1: but it's gonna be it's not going to come to
Speaker 1: a stop before its stalls. It's gonna stall out it
Speaker 1: like a hundred miles an hour, because that's yeah, that's
Speaker 1: the point where air is not flowing over the wings
Speaker 1: enough to keep it lifted. Its stalls, and then it
Speaker 1: drops and yeah, and then it hurts real bad. And
Speaker 1: so let's let's let's say, for example, I mean, let's say,
Speaker 1: for example that stall speed is only fifty miles an hour,
Speaker 1: which I'm sure it's got to be more than that,
Speaker 1: just hypothetical. Yeah, yeah, say it's fifty Okay, So yeah,
Speaker 1: so it's still clipping right along EGO up you come down.
Speaker 1: And then because you're in the open ocean, and almost
Speaker 1: certainly unless it's totally be calm, there's gonna be waves
Speaker 1: out there, and you've got two big engines hanging down
Speaker 1: below there, below your wings, and unless you see anchors, yeah,
Speaker 1: unless you hit two waves at precisely the same time,
Speaker 1: what you're not gonna do. You know, What's what's gonna
Speaker 1: happen is one engine is gonna catch first, and then
Speaker 1: you're gonna just cartwheel or spin around or whatever. It was.
Speaker 1: It was just something. But that, you know, that means
Speaker 1: there was a case that that flight in New York
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago, that pilot was able to
Speaker 1: ditch it in like Long Island Sound. But yeah, that
Speaker 1: was a really small plane. I forget what kind of
Speaker 1: airliner it was. It was, it was a private jet, basically,
Speaker 1: what do you think, Hue, I thought that, No, that
Speaker 1: wasn't that was like it was. It wasn't a huge thing.
Speaker 1: It was a relatively small, like you two seats on
Speaker 1: each side of the aisle kind of. It wasn't a
Speaker 1: huge It wasn't a seven seven seven. Yeah. And also
Speaker 1: it was landing in in very calm waters where there
Speaker 1: weren't big ways to catch your engines on stuff like that.
Speaker 1: So it's pretty favorable circumstances. But on the open ocean
Speaker 1: that seems unlikely you're gonna be able to ditch it
Speaker 1: without catastrophic results. And so here's my big thing with
Speaker 1: the whole crash of the ocean it burned up in
Speaker 1: a fiery ball, is that there have been report and
Speaker 1: not you know, I don't know how valid they are,
Speaker 1: but there have been a lot of reports of people
Speaker 1: who have family and friends that are on this airliner
Speaker 1: are trying to call their cell phones and their phones ringing. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I have the answer to that, what's your answering? Okay?
Speaker 1: The problem with that is have you ever called internationally? Yeah? Okay?
Speaker 1: And have you ever noticed that you make an international
Speaker 1: call and sometimes it rings forever before they pick up
Speaker 1: or the answering machine picks up. Yeah. The way I
Speaker 1: understand that operating is that the service provider is trying
Speaker 1: to reach the phone and it starts giving you the
Speaker 1: ringing noise. Doesn't mean it's actually connected. It's just it's
Speaker 1: giving you the noise because it's saying I'm trying, I'm trying,
Speaker 1: I'm trying, and then maybe you hear a click and
Speaker 1: then it actually will be the real ringer. But it's trying,
Speaker 1: and it's throwing that ring noise basically response to an illusion,
Speaker 1: basically convincing you you know that something is happening, you know,
Speaker 1: and something is happening. They're trying to find the phone.
Speaker 1: But I have family overseas, and I have I have
Speaker 1: called them before. And let's say that it normally takes
Speaker 1: four rings for their answering machine to pick up, and
Speaker 1: it's five rings, six rings, and then the answering machine
Speaker 1: to pick up. It's because the servers happen't quite connect. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but they're still throwing the noise to me to let
Speaker 1: me know it's it's it's working, So that's the problem.
Speaker 1: That's fair. But I mean I have heard the people saying,
Speaker 1: we keep trying to call my brother, my mom, and
Speaker 1: my unter whoever he is, and it's ringing, So there
Speaker 1: must be their phone must be on. But I don't
Speaker 1: I don't buy into it knowing how those systems work.
Speaker 1: Supposing they crashed on land, though, and supposing at least
Speaker 1: one cell phone survived, would you be able to track
Speaker 1: them down using that? Probably? Yeah, quite likely. If there's
Speaker 1: a cell tower. There's a cell tower. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: all a lot of people had like those phones that
Speaker 1: are supposed to superwaterproof. Maybe that was it, Yeah, superwaterproof
Speaker 1: plus they float. Yeah, there has to be a cell tower,
Speaker 1: like fift away, there's some macro. I don't think that's happening. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I am trying to think. I kind of run
Speaker 1: out of there. Well, Aliens Alien is huge on the inn.
Speaker 1: They were stolen by the Chinese or the Malaysian Bermuda Triangle. Yeah. No,
Speaker 1: it looks like the three minute triangle just got extended
Speaker 1: a big long way. Yeah. Yeah, it's now a tetrahedron.
Speaker 1: It's the Malaca Street. Yeah, that's true. That's because there's
Speaker 1: that too. There's that other mystery that we solved, the
Speaker 1: ship that thing. Yeah, that's one thing. The thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just yeah, I mean, other than aliens obviously being
Speaker 1: responsible for it, I don't know. I don't mean, I
Speaker 1: like the idea that it was landed somewhere remote and
Speaker 1: they haven't been able to get ahold of anybody, and
Speaker 1: they're all, okay, that's two nine souls, and that is Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of people lost. But I really, I
Speaker 1: unfortunately lean more towards the catastrophic fire I have. I
Speaker 1: just I think that that is a viable solution. With
Speaker 1: all of the flaws of theories that we've seen out there,
Speaker 1: it's the only one that strikes possibly true to me.
Speaker 1: And then unfortunately it just didn't make it a doubt.
Speaker 1: So we're saying theories that we think are totally reasonable,
Speaker 1: not theories we like the most. Oh no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: you know me, I don't go with my favorite theory
Speaker 1: because I think it's fun. I always i'm Devil's ad
Speaker 1: Which one do I think could really happen? Because my favorite,
Speaker 1: my favorite theory is they slipped out of time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a good one. I like that. I run out
Speaker 1: of time all the time. Yeah, my favorite is that
Speaker 1: somebody took it for later use and so. But the
Speaker 1: great thing about that one is like they're busy, They're
Speaker 1: busy tearing up the ocean and Kazakh standard everywhere else
Speaker 1: looking for wreckage right now. And you know, so maybe
Speaker 1: who knows, I'll find something the next few days, next
Speaker 1: few weeks. But as far as somebody taking it for
Speaker 1: later years, we're gonna find out about that too. And
Speaker 1: it might be that in terms of looking for records,
Speaker 1: nothing will ever turn up that that's not unheard up
Speaker 1: and don't find it because it's thousands upon thousands upon
Speaker 1: thousands of miles of square. I think that we'll find
Speaker 1: out probably either in the next week or a year
Speaker 1: or two from now. So the guys that are sitting
Speaker 1: on it right now obviously realized they can't keep this
Speaker 1: secret for too long, so they're gonna want to use
Speaker 1: it and go new tele aviv or somewhere like that,
Speaker 1: or conversally, they might decide to just if they've got
Speaker 1: it really tucked away in a very secure hang or somewhere,
Speaker 1: they might decide just to sit on it for a
Speaker 1: year or two or five and then bring it out.
Speaker 1: Nobody's going to really remember the transponder number in five years. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: so they might sit on it for a while, but
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm kind of guessing they won't wait that long,
Speaker 1: kind of guessing. These these guys are impatient, you know,
Speaker 1: you know these you know these guys. Yeah, radicals, they
Speaker 1: is the term you're looking for our loons. So are
Speaker 1: we gonna have pictures and stuff? Yeah, we're gonna have pictures,
Speaker 1: probably on our website, which is thinking Sideways podcast dot com. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if you'd like to go out and find us on iTunes,
Speaker 1: we are on iTunes. We're also on Stitcher if you don't,
Speaker 1: if you haven't had time to download it to your
Speaker 1: your iPod, then go to Stitcher just exactly. Yeah. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, and of course like us on Facebook, and
Speaker 1: you know, if you want to set us an email,
Speaker 1: if you have theories or if you're one of the
Speaker 1: hijackers that stole us plane. We really want to hear
Speaker 1: from you for the aliens. We promise if you're a hijacker,
Speaker 1: not to leak your email address to anybody important. I
Speaker 1: can't promise that. Uh. Oh, I thank you. Yeah. You
Speaker 1: can contact us at our email address, which is Thinking
Speaker 1: Sideways podcast at gmail dot com. If you have the
Speaker 1: Malaysian Prime Minister third. Uh, don't stress, we're still thinking
Speaker 1: about it. We'll get back to you soon. All right. Well, anyway,
Speaker 1: that's it for this week. Uh, this is by the
Speaker 1: time you hear this. Who knows, maybe the whole mystery
Speaker 1: will have been solved. I'm kind of doubting at the
Speaker 1: place we're going. But but but didn't we just solve it?
Speaker 1: We did well. We thought we saw the three ways basically. Um,
Speaker 1: so it may well be that, like in the next week,
Speaker 1: we'll know which one of us will right. We'll find
Speaker 1: we'll find out. Until then, goodbye everybody, Bye guys. Bye,