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Speaker 1: Thinking Sideways. I don't I'm not stories of things. We

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Speaker 1: simply don't know the answer to breaking news in the

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Speaker 1: disappearance of Malaysia Air flights a glimmer of hope as

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Speaker 1: the Malaysian Prime Minister announced their press conference this afternoon

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Speaker 1: that he has asked the crack investigators of the well

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Speaker 1: known internet podcast Thinking Sideways to assist in the search. A.

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Speaker 1: Hi there, let's just Thinking Sideways and I am Joe,

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Speaker 1: assisted by and Steve. Yeah, I feel like I was yelling. Sorry.

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Speaker 1: So usually we taught we sort of tackle really ancient

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Speaker 1: mysteries that I've been around for decades, if not centuries

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Speaker 1: or even millennia, and of course we always solve them.

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Speaker 1: But this week we thought we'd do something a little

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Speaker 1: more topical. And you know what I'm talking about, Malaysia

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Speaker 1: Air Flight three seventy. That's right, We're gonna tackle this one.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna find those people and we're gonna bring them

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Speaker 1: back alive. Right yeah, right, okay, So let's launch right

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Speaker 1: into this. I mean, and I know that everybody who's

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Speaker 1: for the past week. So I'm not going to go

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Speaker 1: over all the little details, but I'll summarize just real quickly.

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Speaker 1: The flight took off from Cola up Or headed north

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Speaker 1: over the Malaysian Peninsula towards Beijing. I was supposed to

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Speaker 1: be about a five hour fly and initial reports from

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Speaker 1: the Malaysian government where that the a CARS, which is

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Speaker 1: the aircraft communications, addressing and reporting system they've been calling

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Speaker 1: the transponder, right, Yeah, well there's some of them mixed up,

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Speaker 1: the transponders, like because there's there's a CARS, but there's

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Speaker 1: also a transponder. Is something else that's a communication system? Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: already I'm wrong, Yeah, exactly. Yeah, the transponder is there.

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Speaker 1: It's just basically like kind of an echo thing if

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Speaker 1: you get, if you get it makes me more visible

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Speaker 1: to radar. And so yeah, basically what it does if

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Speaker 1: you get, if you get painted by radar, then it

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Speaker 1: more visible to that radar. So okay, So anyway, a

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Speaker 1: car is apparently a CARS did stop communicating at some

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Speaker 1: so kind of in that no man's land up. Oh so,

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Speaker 1: like after they had stopped communicating with Malaysia before they

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Speaker 1: had to start communicating with Vietnam, they shut it off. Yeah, well,

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Speaker 1: akar Acar stopped earlier, and then the transponder was shut off,

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Speaker 1: like right between Malaysia and Vietnam air traffic control. But

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Speaker 1: it turns out it ours was not entirely shut off.

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Speaker 1: They said that it was completely shut off, but apparently

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Speaker 1: it was still working because you've been hearing those stories

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Speaker 1: about about how the engines were pinging for hours afterwards. Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: apparently that that all that stuff goes to the a

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Speaker 1: all that all that kind of stuff goes to a car.

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Speaker 1: So apparently it was shut off. In terms of communications.

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Speaker 1: They stopped receiving any text messages or other communication from

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Speaker 1: about what time did the flight take off? Like what

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Speaker 1: So uh, after after bouncing up and down and every thing,

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Speaker 1: I know. And then it turned northwest and it was

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Speaker 1: tracked for a while that by a military radar and

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Speaker 1: eventually left radar range. And so after that, the only

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Speaker 1: it the one that was captioned? Researchers say that Malaysian

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Speaker 1: But it is amazing how far the stinken planes can go. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: of but anyway, speaking of fuel, you know, there's there's

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Speaker 1: landing in I'm sure he actually was probably capable of

429
00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:17,360
Speaker 1: landing in less than ideal circumstances. Might have also made

430
00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:20,399
Speaker 1: him overconfident, Oh I've done this, I've done this before.

431
00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:22,520
Speaker 1: And simulators have done this a thousand times. I can

432
00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:25,119
Speaker 1: totally make this work, no problem. No, don't worry about that.

433
00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:27,000
Speaker 1: I know you don't do that. I got this. You

434
00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:28,840
Speaker 1: you know the guy who says I know it all.

435
00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:30,960
Speaker 1: I'll take control of it all. Hang on the stick,

436
00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:34,160
Speaker 1: everybody else, get out of the cockpit. Yeah, although cowboy mentality,

437
00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:36,679
Speaker 1: and to be fair, right, we did just kind of

438
00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:39,959
Speaker 1: mentioned this though people would have seen this like something

439
00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:42,879
Speaker 1: would have said, I always saw that thing. Yeah, I

440
00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:46,160
Speaker 1: know there could be uh, you know, I read one

441
00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:49,040
Speaker 1: little bit somebody said that there was an old World

442
00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:51,520
Speaker 1: War two B twenty nine landing strip in the Ottoman

443
00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:54,280
Speaker 1: Islands somewhere, and I went out looking to try to

444
00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:57,119
Speaker 1: find any any corroboration of that, and I couldn't find anything.

445
00:23:57,200 --> 00:24:00,679
Speaker 1: So I have no idea there. And of course it

446
00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:05,000
Speaker 1: depends if if somebody's actually using it, then it's gonna

447
00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:06,720
Speaker 1: be kind of hard to not be noticed. If somebody

448
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:08,639
Speaker 1: nobody has been using it since World War Two, it's

449
00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:10,359
Speaker 1: gonna be in such sad shape that, you know, it

450
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:13,359
Speaker 1: might not be possible to land on. So I you

451
00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:16,320
Speaker 1: know again, but that the Pacific, I found a site

452
00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:18,040
Speaker 1: where this guy it wasn't. It was not a well

453
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:22,000
Speaker 1: designed site at all. But this guy had pictures and

454
00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:25,280
Speaker 1: drawings of of quite a few old landing strips out

455
00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:27,560
Speaker 1: in the Pacific. And they're all over the place. I mean,

456
00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:30,040
Speaker 1: they really are from from especially if dating from World

457
00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:32,600
Speaker 1: War two time. There's a lot of a lot of

458
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:35,640
Speaker 1: little atolls and islands that just got turned into basically

459
00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:38,200
Speaker 1: airports and nothing else. Some of those places, it's just

460
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:40,320
Speaker 1: a big runway and a little bit of extra land

461
00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:42,560
Speaker 1: and that's it. And they're out in the middle of nowhere.

462
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:45,960
Speaker 1: So it's entirely possible they found one of these things.

463
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:48,120
Speaker 1: I mean, if it was a really well oiled, well

464
00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:51,439
Speaker 1: organized conspiracy, which of course we're not sure. We're not

465
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:53,840
Speaker 1: sure that it is. It could have been totally just

466
00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:56,280
Speaker 1: kind of an accident kind of thing. But but but

467
00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:59,600
Speaker 1: they could have actually found one of these things and

468
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:02,800
Speaker 1: gotten a small freight or something like that and trucked

469
00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:04,520
Speaker 1: out all the fuel that they need to refuel it

470
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:05,879
Speaker 1: and get it back on its way and get it

471
00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:08,479
Speaker 1: somewhere to hide it up, to hide it. And so

472
00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:11,479
Speaker 1: it's entirely possible. These things are all over the place. Well,

473
00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:15,600
Speaker 1: I I was looking on the internet and uh W

474
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:17,800
Speaker 1: N y C, which is out of New York. They

475
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:19,440
Speaker 1: were doing a bunch of research on it. I found

476
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:22,480
Speaker 1: some of their stuff and they were saying that from

477
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:25,800
Speaker 1: the last one of the last known locations in that

478
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:29,600
Speaker 1: big circle of where this plane could have landed, there's

479
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:34,120
Speaker 1: over six hundred airports or runways that are big enough

480
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:37,439
Speaker 1: to land that triple seven. So it is possible that

481
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:40,680
Speaker 1: it was on an island, or it's some random remote

482
00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:44,360
Speaker 1: airport somewhere that it somehow didn't get picked up by

483
00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:47,960
Speaker 1: the radar. So it could possibly have been, you know,

484
00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:50,879
Speaker 1: brought down and any number of places. And this is

485
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:53,240
Speaker 1: of course saying that it came down whole and was

486
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:58,679
Speaker 1: landed successfully. But there's also but there was one that

487
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:01,680
Speaker 1: I came across, and and this is getting into the

488
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:04,520
Speaker 1: you know, how did nobody see it kind of thing

489
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 1: is and this is a really far fetched theory, and

490
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:10,919
Speaker 1: I'm going to say that on the outset, but somebody

491
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:16,640
Speaker 1: was saying that it was using cloaking technology and that's

492
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:19,640
Speaker 1: why you couldn't see it on the radar. Uh And

493
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:24,600
Speaker 1: there's a company called Freescale Semiconductor, and evidently they had

494
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:29,719
Speaker 1: twenty people twenty employees on that plane, and it sounds

495
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:33,280
Speaker 1: like they're involved in some government contracts, so potentially they

496
00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:36,399
Speaker 1: could be in this we're trying to make invisibility cloak

497
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:40,439
Speaker 1: research stuff, and so maybe they did a live test

498
00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:42,520
Speaker 1: of it and that's why they had so many of

499
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:46,639
Speaker 1: their employees on there. I I and this is this

500
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:50,360
Speaker 1: reminds me if remember at Lisa Lamb somebody said, oh,

501
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:52,920
Speaker 1: well there's an invisibility cloak. This is kind of long

502
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:57,160
Speaker 1: that same vein. But it's one of those series. It's

503
00:26:57,160 --> 00:26:59,240
Speaker 1: out there. I don't put a lot of stock in it.

504
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:01,360
Speaker 1: It is out there. I think a more a more

505
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 1: feasible technology. If you wanted a cloaking technology, um, something

506
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 1: that would hide you from radar rather than you know,

507
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:09,439
Speaker 1: the visible life spectrum would be a lot more useful.

508
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:11,680
Speaker 1: And so you can I can you can imagine them

509
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:13,600
Speaker 1: doing something like that, like one of the thought one

510
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 1: of the things they've talked about with with radar and

511
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 1: also a sonar instead of trying to have like you know,

512
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:20,679
Speaker 1: sort of a stealth configuration of your whole or whatever

513
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 1: your plane shape. Instead when you receive a signal and

514
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:26,439
Speaker 1: you know some of that's going to echo back to

515
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:29,760
Speaker 1: those people, which do is you So when you when

516
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:32,960
Speaker 1: you're hit with a signal, your computer just automatically sends

517
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 1: back a canceling tone. So you know how canceling tones work. Yeah,

518
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:40,200
Speaker 1: so it's like like in sound. In sound, if if

519
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,439
Speaker 1: you're if your sound is being admitted, then you and

520
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 1: you admit sound at the same time. That is exactly

521
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 1: the opposite in the terms of the wavelength and the

522
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 1: same wavelength, but they're just out of sync with each other,

523
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,720
Speaker 1: like they cancel each other out and you get silence.

524
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 1: And there's been discussion about that kind of technology for

525
00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:00,680
Speaker 1: things like radar and sonar. So yeah, so that's a

526
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 1: conceivable thing, but again that's kind of hard to cover up. Okay,

527
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:07,679
Speaker 1: So I was reading today and I think this is

528
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:11,160
Speaker 1: the thing that came out like literally today, that there

529
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 1: were some residents on a like really remote island in

530
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:16,879
Speaker 1: the Maldives. Is that how you say that those islands

531
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:22,880
Speaker 1: Aldives that saw jet matching the Malaysian airplane description flying

532
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:26,199
Speaker 1: as low maybe as eighty feet but probably more like

533
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 1: five thousand feet. Some people said they could see, like

534
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 1: clearly see the doors on this airplane was flying solo,

535
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 1: they said, Then they yeah, it's super low. They said

536
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 1: that they saw a large airliner or a jumbo jet

537
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:46,440
Speaker 1: um that was described as being white with red stripes

538
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 1: on it, which is what the Malaysian air flight or

539
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 1: the Malaysian air airplanes look like flying overhead um sometimes

540
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 1: kind of last week and they're kind of they're in

541
00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 1: that radius. So I guess that's another theory, right, is

542
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 1: that they could have maybe just flown so low that

543
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 1: they were below radar, right, because that the thing you

544
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 1: can do if you're especially if you're a good pilot.

545
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 1: So I mean, you know it's a thing, right that

546
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 1: you can fly low to avoid the radar and it

547
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 1: up your fuel consumption. Is that true? But I don't

548
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:27,240
Speaker 1: think the Maldives are like that far out of range. No,

549
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 1: It's just a question where do you go from there,

550
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 1: especially since you know you're you're using up to feel

551
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 1: att a buch higher rate because you're flying so low, right,

552
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 1: So I don't know if I mean, I think that's

553
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:40,240
Speaker 1: kind of an area where there are a lot of islands, right,

554
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 1: a lot of small islands. So I wonder if there's

555
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 1: a small island that's fairly uninhabited or that's controlled by

556
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 1: a certain group or something that they could have landed

557
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 1: on and refueled or just be on and and and

558
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 1: this is the weird thing, is that? Okay, so let's

559
00:29:56,200 --> 00:30:00,160
Speaker 1: just say that that somebody for whoever it is, jack

560
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 1: this plane. I don't I'm not saying who was involved,

561
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 1: but they hijacked the plane and they landed on one

562
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 1: of these little islands. What are you going to do

563
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 1: with it? What's the deal? Why are what are you

564
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 1: doing with this plane? I don't understand. That's what I

565
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 1: can't understand. Come across all of these they were hijack theories.

566
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:23,240
Speaker 1: Is what are you going to do with that giant

567
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 1: freaking plane? Well, I'm not not I guess it's not

568
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 1: even what are you going to do with that plane? Right?

569
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 1: But like what are you doing with the two and

570
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 1: thirty nine people that are definitely worth money to a

571
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 1: lot of countries? Well that's that's that's it. And that

572
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 1: let me go to some of these things that this

573
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:44,040
Speaker 1: whole thing is is weird, and it makes me think

574
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:48,000
Speaker 1: of two different things and one only two. Well, no,

575
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 1: and this this is going down a different road. But

576
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:55,240
Speaker 1: did either of you ever watch the Terrible miniseries or

577
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 1: read the book The Lango Leers by Stephen King. Okay,

578
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 1: it was this story of basically this plane that slipped

579
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 1: out of time and then landed at an airport, and

580
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 1: the languo Leers. Time every second is rebuilt and these

581
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 1: things come along and they destroy it to recycle it

582
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 1: to use later is kind of what the theory is.

583
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 1: The story sounded much more interesting than the Mini Mini

584
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 1: series was because it was really badly done because it

585
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 1: was made for TV. But it makes me think of

586
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 1: that because it was just just plane that just disappeared, okay,

587
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 1: or it makes me think of Lost, Yeah, where this

588
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 1: plane just disappears and nobody really cares that this plane disappeared.

589
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 1: So I think I sent this out. As some of

590
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 1: you may know, there's this little website called Reddit. There's

591
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 1: this little there's this little so I read it called

592
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 1: No Sleep, which is not meant to be like true

593
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 1: stories necessarily, but some of them are touts true stories.

594
00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 1: And there's like a thread recently, not really I think

595
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 1: I told you about it when it was happening. It

596
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 1: was like, actually, I guess it was like when we

597
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 1: first started of this guy who posted this story called

598
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 1: my Last Flight, and it was just this really long

599
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 1: story about how he was on this flight and suddenly

600
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 1: like they had this engine glitch or something and then

601
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 1: it like they slipped out of time. Basically they were

602
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 1: just like in blackness. And then like a day later

603
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 1: he posted a picture and it was like super like

604
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 1: all the text that went with it was like really

605
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 1: really garbled, and it was like a picture of him

606
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 1: sitting next to the window, not him, but like his laptop,

607
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 1: and he had written his like Reddit user name out

608
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 1: and said like please help on this flight or something

609
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 1: like that, taking a picture of that next to the window,

610
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 1: and the window was like totally black, and if it

611
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 1: was a photoshop, it was like a really really great photoshop.

612
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 1: Maybe when it was nighttime. It wasn't like nighttime, like

613
00:32:56,120 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 1: I just I it was solid black, you know what,

614
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 1: like when you like take a picture out. I've taken

615
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 1: pictures out of an airplane window when it's night It

616
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 1: didn't look the same as that, but you're right, maybe

617
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 1: it was anyways, so it's it's totally similar, right, where

618
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 1: Like people were kind of talking about this like this

619
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 1: phenomenon of like slipping out of time, kind of referencing

620
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 1: like an Amelia air Heart sort of thing people just

621
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 1: like slipping out of time or like ships slipping out

622
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 1: of time, things like that. So, I mean, you know,

623
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 1: I know it's a crackpot theory, but I kind of

624
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 1: like it. It's it's it's an interesting thing to think, absolutely,

625
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 1: and it's also a nice way to think of it

626
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 1: because these people who have disappeared, well they're they're not dead.

627
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 1: They're just haven't come back yet. They're just trapped in

628
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 1: another dimension being being like tortured by time goblins. Goblins

629
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 1: I've never heard of time goblins have. All right, well,

630
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 1: let's get into the wise here. Let's talk about the

631
00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:01,240
Speaker 1: wise alright, no particular order. So why did this happen?

632
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 1: One possibility mentioned was that suicidal pilot syndrome. One of

633
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 1: the pilots wanted to commit suicide and do it in

634
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 1: a spectacular way. The problem with that is, you know,

635
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:10,719
Speaker 1: if you want to if you want to crash your

636
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:13,320
Speaker 1: plane and die and take a couple of hundred people

637
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 1: with you, why do you think around for seven and

638
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:21,240
Speaker 1: some seven and a half hours the second thoughts? Second thoughts,

639
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 1: seven thoughts. Yeah, the dumbest thing I ever heard in

640
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:27,440
Speaker 1: my entire Yeah. No, there is one possibility when you

641
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 1: think about it. I mean, so when they first started

642
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:32,240
Speaker 1: going a little bit erratic, and they took that excursion

643
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:35,919
Speaker 1: of forty five feet, so I can imagine, say, let's

644
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 1: say one of the pilots clocks the other one on

645
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 1: the head because obviously the other one's not going to be,

646
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 1: you know, too coopathetic about the whole thing, you know,

647
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:44,920
Speaker 1: and so he clocks him on the head and then

648
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:47,879
Speaker 1: just like takes the plane starts shooting the plane's highs

649
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 1: you can go, and then just decompresses the entire plane,

650
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:54,880
Speaker 1: you know, hYP hypoxias sets in and and and everybody's

651
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 1: dead and moments including you know, the suicidal pilot. And

652
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 1: it takes one I did, because the air mass still drop,

653
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 1: but they only have enough air for like ten or

654
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes or something like that is what I read. Yeah,

655
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 1: so I mean, you wouldn't have to stay up there

656
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 1: for a super long time before everybody just eventually passes

657
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 1: out and dies. Yeah, exactly, including you the pilot. And

658
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:20,719
Speaker 1: then I also heard the theory of catastrophic decompression in

659
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:25,279
Speaker 1: the like sucking everybody out of the plane catastrophica. Well,

660
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:27,760
Speaker 1: there's that. It depends on the size of the whole,

661
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 1: because there've been there have been incidents like that in

662
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:31,800
Speaker 1: the past, where there was one where a big, a

663
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 1: big section of a plane it was like going to Hawaii,

664
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 1: I think, and a big chunk of it just blew away.

665
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 1: It just tore off. And yeah, what stewardess got She

666
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:44,800
Speaker 1: was not belted in, so she got sucked out the

667
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 1: whole and bye bye and uh. But apparently apparently she

668
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 1: was the only casualty because everybody else was wearing their seatbelts.

669
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 1: And actually, after I saw that story in the news,

670
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 1: I started getting more religious about wearing my seatbelt on

671
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 1: airplane totally. The thing is, Hollywood is screwed up everybody

672
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 1: perspective of what happens with the You know, when a

673
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 1: cabin depressure rises, everybody's hold god, everything, and all the

674
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:12,399
Speaker 1: seats come on unbolted, and yeah, ever happen, they're pretty stout. Yeah,

675
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 1: that is a total trope by Hollywood. Yeah, I mean

676
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 1: if you see that on a movie and suddenly every

677
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 1: every seat just rattle rattle rattle, Yeah not real, no, no,

678
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 1: not sorry to break your heart, but he's super shoddy airplane.

679
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:32,399
Speaker 1: Yeah maybe back in the day, not anymore. But yeah,

680
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:34,919
Speaker 1: definitely if you know, but if you're not built it in, well, yeah,

681
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 1: you could very wind up, very well wind up going

682
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:40,840
Speaker 1: out through that hole. But of course that's way did decompress,

683
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 1: ways to decompress the cabin without creating a big tornado

684
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 1: of wind sucking. Yeah, but yeah, there, but there are

685
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:49,280
Speaker 1: other scenarios to like there. There is the whole failure scenario,

686
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:52,880
Speaker 1: which also incident that happened a while back, and that

687
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 1: I was telling you guys about peeled away, which is

688
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 1: not really consistent with the safety record of the seven

689
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 1: seventy seven, but it could happen. Nor are like all

690
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:02,759
Speaker 1: the other stuff that happened on it, right, Yeah, well

691
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:05,320
Speaker 1: it's not consisted. Yeah, so that could cause a massive

692
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:09,840
Speaker 1: decompression and incapacitate the crew and all the passengers. But

693
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:13,000
Speaker 1: that wouldn't really explain why they took an excursion to

694
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 1: feet now, it doesn't explain that at all because that

695
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 1: kind of defeat that's counterintuitive. If you have a cabin

696
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:27,320
Speaker 1: decompression issue, you go down, yeah, you go lower. Although okay,

697
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 1: so if stuff wasn't working right, like if they got

698
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:33,239
Speaker 1: maybe hit by a meteor or whatever, right, I don't

699
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 1: know what happens to all the equipment inside of you

700
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 1: if your cabin de compresses, right, So, and if you're no,

701
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:43,839
Speaker 1: I think I'm thinking more like, what's that other one

702
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 1: we were talking about where it was in the middle

703
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 1: of the night and if your equipment wasn't working particularly well,

704
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 1: you wouldn't totally know which way was up or down?

705
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that h so maybe I mean he was

706
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:00,160
Speaker 1: he was a very skilled pilot, this guy right right,

707
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 1: and he had a much more technological he would like

708
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 1: on low oxygen or like panicking in the moment. Yeah,

709
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 1: decompression wouldn't cause the instruments on the plane to malfunction,

710
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 1: but they definitely could could interfere with your judgment, you know, perception.

711
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:17,359
Speaker 1: So it's possible. So he thought he was going down

712
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:21,360
Speaker 1: and he was going up, Yeah, which is making even

713
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 1: worse just getting better? Wise, th't this getting better? And

714
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 1: then dive because yeah, again I don't. I don't buy

715
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:33,320
Speaker 1: that because they have oxygen masks in the in the cockpit,

716
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:36,799
Speaker 1: and I imagine they have a much longer time than

717
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:41,319
Speaker 1: I have heard. I've heard vary varying lengths. I've heard

718
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 1: thirty minutes on those. So it's about a double what

719
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 1: the cabin time is. But that's more than enough time

720
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:46,839
Speaker 1: to get you down, get you self down to under

721
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:51,320
Speaker 1: ten thousands, to regain your judgment and realizing right. And

722
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:53,360
Speaker 1: so the thing about it is is like it's just

723
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:54,879
Speaker 1: like what they tell you when you're on the plane.

724
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 1: They say if if, if, if this mask pops out,

725
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:00,160
Speaker 1: and say, you get your kids right next to want

726
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 1: to put the mask on the kid, You put your

727
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 1: mask on first. Before you put the mask on the kid.

728
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:08,360
Speaker 1: You put that mask on yourself first, because if you don't,

729
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 1: then you might wind up just succumbing to hypoxia. And

730
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 1: so the same thing was so the same thing with

731
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:16,360
Speaker 1: the pilots. I mean, when that mask pops out, the

732
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 1: very first thing they're gonna do is grab that they

733
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 1: can put it on their face. And so they're probably

734
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 1: not going to have any sort of mental issues or

735
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:27,239
Speaker 1: anything like that. They shouldn't. They shouldn't. Yeah, Okay, so suicidal,

736
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:29,840
Speaker 1: we're gonna we're gonna rule out the suicidal pilot syndrome

737
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 1: um and I think we can really rule out a

738
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 1: sudden accidental decompression. Another theory that's been floated is that

739
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:39,920
Speaker 1: it was taken for ransom. So the plane and the

740
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,399
Speaker 1: passengers are worth a hell of a lot. Those those

741
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:44,719
Speaker 1: planes retail for two d and sixty two million bucks.

742
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 1: Ye ye, yeah, I know. So the insurers, I'm sure

743
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 1: it would be happy to pay like, you know, fifty million,

744
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 1: a hundred million to get it back. Yeah. Yeah, the

745
00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:01,279
Speaker 1: peoples a ransom all of those people off as well. Yeah.

746
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:03,360
Speaker 1: I feel like human beings are worth a good amount

747
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:06,279
Speaker 1: of money to people who they usually the usually are. Yeah.

748
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:09,320
Speaker 1: So you know, somebody is speculated that there may be

749
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:14,239
Speaker 1: secret negotiations already underway, said it might be maybe maybe

750
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 1: a government or governments are negotiating with these people. That's

751
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 1: the thing I ever heard. Well, yeah, the third time

752
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 1: I've heard that tonight. Yeah. The uh, it seems a

753
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 1: little unlikely because the problem with that is is that

754
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 1: there's really no reason to keep it a secret. And

755
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:30,360
Speaker 1: if you do keep it a secret, when eventually you

756
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 1: publicize the fact that you kept all these families in

757
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 1: the dark for all this time, I mean, it's going

758
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 1: to be hell to pay. So I find that a

759
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:41,439
Speaker 1: little hard to believe. Uh, and and and so since

760
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 1: it's not likely to have been kept secret, then obviously

761
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:46,880
Speaker 1: ransom seems to be kind of out of the picture.

762
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 1: I've got I've got one, you got one, Yeah, I've

763
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:52,400
Speaker 1: got another one that I came across, which the background

764
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:55,880
Speaker 1: audit is that evidently Boeing has been in the process

765
00:40:56,320 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 1: of trying to upgrade the network system in their planes,

766
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:04,279
Speaker 1: the internal networks that tied all the computers, and those

767
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 1: planes have a USB drive at every seat or a port,

768
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 1: I should say, not a drive, but a port, and

769
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 1: Boeing is realized that the networks are all tied together,

770
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:21,880
Speaker 1: as in every computer in the plane, including the flight computer,

771
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:26,759
Speaker 1: is all network together. So it's possible that somebody could

772
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:29,840
Speaker 1: have not hijacked it, but they're calling it a hack jack.

773
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 1: They hacked the system. And then if I've got my

774
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 1: little tablet in my hand and I plug it in

775
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 1: and I hit the button and it executes a program,

776
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:40,800
Speaker 1: and suddenly I'm in control of the plane and is

777
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:43,880
Speaker 1: playing the controls on my you know, and doing stuff

778
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 1: on my little tablet. Nobody's the wiser. The crew is

779
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 1: freaking out, but nobody knows. And so I could plug

780
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:52,440
Speaker 1: in a new course and all my new settings and

781
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 1: just let the thing go on autopilot and shut down

782
00:41:55,520 --> 00:42:00,040
Speaker 1: all the communications, so it goes dark and it's not

783
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:03,320
Speaker 1: painting anything because I'm just in control. I'm just sitting

784
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 1: here flying the plane. Now. I don't know why somebody

785
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 1: would do that, and I know how the heck they

786
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 1: would have got it back on the ground. But it's

787
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:15,040
Speaker 1: real hard to land a plane on autopilot. I feel, yeah,

788
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:17,919
Speaker 1: probably actually a lot of I've crashed many a plane

789
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 1: in a flight similarly simulator trying to do autopilot. It's

790
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 1: not good. Supposedly most of the modern planes can land themselves.

791
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 1: They don't. Actually, yeah, they can land themselves. So but

792
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 1: but the whole thing about it is is, um, you've

793
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:33,399
Speaker 1: taken command of the plane. And by the way, there's

794
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 1: just an editorialized for a second. Boeing really actually did

795
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 1: network the flight computer and all that stuff in with

796
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:42,280
Speaker 1: all the other stuff in the plane. What an idiotic

797
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 1: thing to do. I suspect they didn't intentionally do it,

798
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 1: but that their firewalls were not as robust as they

799
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:52,400
Speaker 1: thought they were sore the process of upgrading everything to

800
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:54,840
Speaker 1: try and separate it. Evidently, according to the reports that

801
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:57,319
Speaker 1: I've read, I think like it would be like, I mean,

802
00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:01,880
Speaker 1: a skilled hacker, if you're if you share hardware with

803
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:05,319
Speaker 1: the thing that's connected by the same wires, right, even

804
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 1: if it doesn't technically share the same network, if you've

805
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 1: still got wires that are connected to the same hardware,

806
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 1: you can hack into it. But it's I mean, it

807
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 1: takes it like a very malicious, thoughtful act. Yeah, yeah,

808
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 1: definitely idiots. Yeah yeah, well if that's true, I don't know.

809
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 1: It's it's hard. It's hard to believe that they could

810
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:28,799
Speaker 1: possibly have done something like that. Yeah, but you ever now,

811
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 1: I mean, this goes back to why would you do that?

812
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 1: What are you now doing now that you've done it? Yeah?

813
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 1: So the problem I have with with that is number one,

814
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 1: you're taking a big chance that you're not going to

815
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:41,359
Speaker 1: screw things up and get yourself killed. And the other

816
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:44,239
Speaker 1: thing is that you take over the plane and you're

817
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 1: flying it off to wherever you feel like taking it

818
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:48,920
Speaker 1: off to. What's the first thing the pilots you're gonna do.

819
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:50,759
Speaker 1: They Well, they're going to try to get control back

820
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 1: first of all. Second of all, they're going to get

821
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:56,320
Speaker 1: on the radio and start talking to ground controls. Not

822
00:43:56,480 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 1: if they've if you've disabled the communications right there, Clearly,

823
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:03,399
Speaker 1: if you can hack into the computer. You can shut

824
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 1: down all the communications, so they wouldn't be able to

825
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 1: call because you've turned the power off, for lack of

826
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 1: a better term, you shut down the radio, You've shut

827
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 1: down everything. You're turning off all the corresponding systems. They

828
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 1: can call all they want, but they're talking into a

829
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:23,279
Speaker 1: dead mic. Yeah, so this hack, it would have to

830
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:25,560
Speaker 1: be somebody who really knew a hell of a lot

831
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 1: about the second. It would have to be somebody that

832
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 1: somehow got ahold of Boeing's information to know how they're

833
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:34,279
Speaker 1: os were. Yeah, I was thinking there had to be

834
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:37,239
Speaker 1: somebody that actually actually wrote code for Boeing. I would

835
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 1: think you would think or had had gotten access to it,

836
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 1: then interpreted, figure out how to how to get in it,

837
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:45,400
Speaker 1: rewrite and all. I mean, there's there's a whole host

838
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 1: of things that would be required for this to be

839
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 1: a viable situation or viable way for it to happen.

840
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:57,319
Speaker 1: It's possible, It's scarily possibly. Yeah, the Malaysians are now

841
00:44:57,360 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 1: they're they're looking into every single passenger that was on

842
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 1: the plan, and so there any ex Boeing employees that

843
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 1: were on the plane. I guess, I guess we'll find

844
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 1: out about it. Yeah, well, you know, they were they

845
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 1: were focusing on the two guys that were on the

846
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:12,799
Speaker 1: plane that had fake passports, were stolen passports, and they've

847
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:15,319
Speaker 1: obviously ruled them out. Evidently they see now those guys

848
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 1: were seeking asylum somewhere else. Yeah, they've they've been looking

849
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:21,920
Speaker 1: into randomly people. So it sounds like systematically they're doing

850
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 1: it now, Is that what you're saying. Yeah, yeah, they are,

851
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:27,200
Speaker 1: they're they're they're pretty much checking out everybody that was

852
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 1: on the plane. I'm sure some people, you know, are

853
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:33,680
Speaker 1: getting more scrutiny than other people, but yeah, definitely everybody's

854
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:37,520
Speaker 1: being looked at. So what about a fire. There's a fire,

855
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:40,279
Speaker 1: it's a possibility, like an electrical fire of some kind,

856
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 1: that is that is one of the things that yeah, yeah,

857
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 1: it came across. So here's here's how this breaks down.

858
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:50,800
Speaker 1: And it was a pilot I think that that posted

859
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 1: this or it was in this news article. Basically how

860
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:57,759
Speaker 1: I understand it happening is what he was theorizing is

861
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 1: that if at takeoff there is a fire, a fire

862
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:07,480
Speaker 1: starts with the landing gear because it was it was hot,

863
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:10,880
Speaker 1: so the tires would have had as much pressure in

864
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 1: them too, because the compensate for that or because of that,

865
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 1: and so then that would cause a small fire to

866
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:19,440
Speaker 1: start in the gear, which then would work through the

867
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 1: hydraulic lines then could get into the electrical system. So

868
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 1: then it causes an electrical system fire, which, according to

869
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:31,160
Speaker 1: this guy, then the pilots would This might explain why

870
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:34,800
Speaker 1: everything shut off. Is the pilots are, oh God, something's

871
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 1: on fire. They're trying to put out the fire, and

872
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:40,280
Speaker 1: they're also going through and yanking all the electrical busses

873
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 1: out to stop electricity flowing too so that it doesn't spread.

874
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 1: And either it damages something enough that when they put

875
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 1: it back in it doesn't work, or they just can't

876
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 1: get it in for whatever reason. They can't get the

877
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 1: whole thing to come back up. Uh. And that actually, Joe,

878
00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:00,880
Speaker 1: which the plane change cores? And which way did it

879
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:03,360
Speaker 1: head when it had its sudden weird diversion in course?

880
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:09,879
Speaker 1: Southwest so or northwest right? Yeah, And they were saying

881
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 1: that the change in elevation may have been because of

882
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:15,360
Speaker 1: the problems with the computer, because of the fire, And

883
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:18,319
Speaker 1: then this guy was saying that, Okay, well, I can

884
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:22,759
Speaker 1: totally explain why this pilot did this is there he's

885
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 1: saying that the pilot was going to the lank Cowie Island. Yeah.

886
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:30,360
Speaker 1: And the reason that they say that they would have

887
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 1: gone to this airport is pilots are trained that when

888
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:36,839
Speaker 1: your systems are hosed, you don't want to go near

889
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:39,360
Speaker 1: anything that has obstacles, and you don't want to go

890
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:42,920
Speaker 1: near anything that has people. So they're going to take

891
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 1: an oversea route with no mountains in the way, and

892
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:48,960
Speaker 1: they're going to do their best to get to that

893
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:54,000
Speaker 1: airport to then land in a catastrophic situation. And according

894
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 1: to him, it sounds like then he's saying, basically they

895
00:47:57,200 --> 00:47:59,840
Speaker 1: were trying to get there and they probably didn't make it.

896
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 1: Put down in the seat, yeah, yeah, So like HOWI

897
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:05,400
Speaker 1: is like, it's kind of on their route. I mean,

898
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:06,920
Speaker 1: they were headed in that direction, but it's on the

899
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 1: opposite side of the peninsula. But there's no giant there's

900
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:13,719
Speaker 1: no big mountains, it's very low terrain, so they don't

901
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:16,359
Speaker 1: have to because they probably don't have you know, all

902
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:19,320
Speaker 1: their systems are hosed, so it's very easy just to

903
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:22,720
Speaker 1: go this direction. No, I'm not going to run into anything,

904
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:26,880
Speaker 1: literally run into anything. Yeah, and then and then what happened?

905
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:28,959
Speaker 1: Why do they not land there? He thinks that because

906
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:32,760
Speaker 1: of the the electrical fire, it just sabotaged the system

907
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:36,760
Speaker 1: so bad that eventually they gave out and the plane crash.

908
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:40,880
Speaker 1: Like yeah, that's it's it just seems like there's a

909
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:45,319
Speaker 1: lot more land in between where they were and where

910
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:48,759
Speaker 1: they were going than there is ocean, right because where

911
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 1: do I mean right now? Okay, he's crossing a lot

912
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:57,680
Speaker 1: more land and get into this and then yeah, and

913
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:00,359
Speaker 1: they made they flipped a U turn in like kind

914
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:04,560
Speaker 1: of on the ocean, right Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I mean

915
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:08,799
Speaker 1: I'm not I think it's a really interesting compelling theory. Yeah,

916
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:12,480
Speaker 1: it's it's valid based on this guy's experience, and he

917
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:16,279
Speaker 1: puts forth a good case. Yeah, definitely. So, I mean

918
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:19,839
Speaker 1: it's hard to say. So Okay, it's a electrical fire.

919
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:24,759
Speaker 1: That's a definite possibility. Another theory that's put been put

920
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:27,160
Speaker 1: forth is that the plane was taken because there was

921
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:29,239
Speaker 1: a person or an object on the plane that the

922
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:33,200
Speaker 1: pirates really wanted badly. Oh, that it was air piracy. Yeah,

923
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 1: so pirates. But you know that's that's the whole thing

924
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:39,239
Speaker 1: about that is there's got to be easier ways to

925
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:42,439
Speaker 1: get your hands on that person or that object. There's

926
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 1: got to be easy. Didn't we learn anything from Ocean's

927
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:48,839
Speaker 1: eleven through Yeah? I thought it was eleven eighteen or something.

928
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 1: Was just the three of them? Yeah, they only made three.

929
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 1: It just seemed like they kept coming. I know it

930
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:58,479
Speaker 1: was extensive. Yeah, back to back to square one here. Okay,

931
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:00,720
Speaker 1: So another series that it was hijack for an immediate

932
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:04,279
Speaker 1: nine eleven style attack, and uh, of course taking it

933
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:06,399
Speaker 1: back to Kuala Lumpur would be great for that because

934
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:08,560
Speaker 1: Kawala Empurr has got lots and lots of really tall

935
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:11,160
Speaker 1: buildings and it'd be it'd be a great target for

936
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:13,880
Speaker 1: your Alqaia types because as you as you guys all know,

937
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:17,120
Speaker 1: I'm shared, Malaysian Islam is a lot more moderate than

938
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:21,040
Speaker 1: your hardcore um Islamist kind of stuff. Is. Well, it's

939
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:23,560
Speaker 1: right near Singapore kind of two, right, yeah, and there's

940
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:27,400
Speaker 1: lots of big buildings building to fairly liberal and western

941
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:30,080
Speaker 1: there's yeah, yeah, and so you know, lots of good

942
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:33,799
Speaker 1: tall buildings to crash into. The British Intelligence had had

943
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:38,440
Speaker 1: interrogated a guy on Alkada type who informed on them

944
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:41,000
Speaker 1: and he was aware he was a Malaysian. He was

945
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:45,040
Speaker 1: aware of some Malaysian Al Qaida members who wanted to

946
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:48,120
Speaker 1: pull off a nine eleven style attack. According to this guy,

947
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:52,440
Speaker 1: he went to the informer went to a training camp

948
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:54,600
Speaker 1: in Afghanistan, and they gave him a couple of real

949
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:58,759
Speaker 1: high tech exploding shoes and shoe bombs. Yeah and so

950
00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:02,160
Speaker 1: really yeah, and so you've got in contact with these

951
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:04,600
Speaker 1: when when he was he was, they instructed him. At

952
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:07,000
Speaker 1: some point he got him back to he got them

953
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 1: back home, and they instructed apparently he got instructions from

954
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:11,680
Speaker 1: all kind of central or whatever that this group of

955
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:14,759
Speaker 1: Malaysians was serious and when that he should turn over

956
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:16,880
Speaker 1: one of his shoe bombs to them so that they

957
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:18,920
Speaker 1: could use it to blow open the cockpit door. Because,

958
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:20,839
Speaker 1: as you know, cockpit doors are a lot stronger than

959
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:24,399
Speaker 1: they used to be. Yeah, yeah, yeah, they're and they're

960
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:26,600
Speaker 1: heavily reinforced now they're they're a lot beef here and

961
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:28,680
Speaker 1: they used to be. So the idea was that they

962
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:30,799
Speaker 1: were gonna this group was going to use the shoe

963
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:32,880
Speaker 1: bomb to blow open the door and take over the

964
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:36,279
Speaker 1: airplane and go do another nine eleven. So it's conceivable

965
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:40,120
Speaker 1: something like that happened. That would explain, for example, the

966
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:44,360
Speaker 1: excursion of forty feet, because if you're the pilots of

967
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:47,399
Speaker 1: the plane and you got these guys, these guys coming

968
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:49,840
Speaker 1: into your cockpit, what do you do. You'd like, hammer

969
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:52,120
Speaker 1: the throttles forward as hard as you can and point

970
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:54,720
Speaker 1: that nose up and send them tumbling back down the cabin.

971
00:51:55,560 --> 00:52:03,080
Speaker 1: Bring that. Yeah, yeah, I I The problem I have

972
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:07,800
Speaker 1: with these terrorist theories is that I feel like the

973
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 1: big terrorist groups again I think I said this a

974
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:16,719
Speaker 1: little bit earlier, aren't necessarily known for their like play

975
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:20,759
Speaker 1: close to the chest behavior. When they do stuff like this,

976
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:25,080
Speaker 1: they're like, yeah, that was us, what look what we

977
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:28,920
Speaker 1: did this? Yeah. Of course there was kind of a

978
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:30,880
Speaker 1: failure on their parts, so I don't know. They may

979
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:35,480
Speaker 1: have killed a bunch of people. Yeah, so cool they did.

980
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:39,080
Speaker 1: There was an act of terrorism we did but we

981
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:41,799
Speaker 1: killed but we killed a bunch. So and the only

982
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:44,239
Speaker 1: the only thing with the only terrorist group that I've

983
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:47,000
Speaker 1: heard so far that's come out and said yeah, we

984
00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:50,479
Speaker 1: did this with this group that's like kind of near

985
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:56,280
Speaker 1: the China Russia order. So yeah, the weaker and everybody

986
00:52:56,360 --> 00:53:00,800
Speaker 1: pretty much has been like, okay, weakers, that's cute. You

987
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:04,279
Speaker 1: think you could do this, but I don't know, like

988
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:07,040
Speaker 1: maybe they could have, maybe they actually did do this. Like,

989
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:11,239
Speaker 1: I don't know how seriously people are taking this. I

990
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:14,880
Speaker 1: I just think that it is the American propensity and

991
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:17,120
Speaker 1: I guess probably the world propensity at this point to

992
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:23,799
Speaker 1: say that Taliman probably did it. Taliban they're great scapecoat

993
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:26,600
Speaker 1: and there they tend to be pretty piste off at

994
00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:30,399
Speaker 1: a lot of people, especially I wouldn't call them escapegoad say,

995
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:33,239
Speaker 1: but I guess it doesn't necessarily make sense that they

996
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:35,400
Speaker 1: would do this to like a Malaysian airline, right, Like,

997
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:38,120
Speaker 1: if they were going to do it, it seems like

998
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:43,440
Speaker 1: it would be a less Muslim, more western country, you know,

999
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:45,840
Speaker 1: I mean I kinda are you talking about al Qaida

1000
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:50,320
Speaker 1: or the Weakers? Okay, yeah, but they've never hesitated to

1001
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:53,520
Speaker 1: kill other Muslims. I mean, And besides, the plane was

1002
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:58,359
Speaker 1: almost entirely filled with Chinese people. Yeah that's fair. So yeah,

1003
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:01,560
Speaker 1: I mean maybe, but it just seemed is like al

1004
00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:06,959
Speaker 1: Qaeda and the Taliban like to take credit for their stuff. Yeah.

1005
00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:09,880
Speaker 1: I think one of those groups did it. We know,

1006
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:15,719
Speaker 1: because they are we said they are going to claim responsibility. Yeah,

1007
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:19,080
Speaker 1: and unless unless, of course, the next thing. But when

1008
00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:20,520
Speaker 1: we get to that in a separate back to the

1009
00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:21,920
Speaker 1: back to the week or so, I just want to

1010
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:23,840
Speaker 1: I do want to say that the part of the

1011
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:26,520
Speaker 1: west part of western China that they inhabit is kind

1012
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:28,640
Speaker 1: of like really on the flight path of that plane,

1013
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:31,360
Speaker 1: so that that does lend a little bit of credibility

1014
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:34,800
Speaker 1: to it. Yeah, which is interesting again, right because everybody's

1015
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:37,400
Speaker 1: been saying, okay, cute, all right, you guys like just

1016
00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:40,320
Speaker 1: go keep saying you're doing it. I don't know, and again,

1017
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:44,840
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know how much actual investigation, credence,

1018
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:48,239
Speaker 1: anything has happened with that, but you know, I'm sure

1019
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:51,040
Speaker 1: apparently did like day one say yeah we did that.

1020
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:55,480
Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm thinking that and maybe they did. I

1021
00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:57,239
Speaker 1: don't know how easy it is to hide a plane

1022
00:54:57,320 --> 00:54:59,760
Speaker 1: that side. I don't imagine a lot of satellite photos

1023
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:03,000
Speaker 1: would be screw particularly hard. Right now. China is pretty

1024
00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:11,120
Speaker 1: good at stuff, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly, yeah, uh stuff,

1025
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:19,360
Speaker 1: and they are that's actually their national motto, yeah smaller alright.

1026
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:22,200
Speaker 1: So anyway, I know the next theory, uh, this was

1027
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:24,880
Speaker 1: put forth by well not just him, but by the

1028
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:29,640
Speaker 1: Malaysian Prime minister said that it possibly could have been

1029
00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:32,879
Speaker 1: taken for a quote unquote later use. Didn't you say

1030
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:36,759
Speaker 1: that before? They like admitted a lot of stuff though, um,

1031
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:39,759
Speaker 1: what I feel like it was pretty early. He was

1032
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:41,239
Speaker 1: like it might have been taken for a later use.

1033
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:42,880
Speaker 1: And then he was like, oh and actually we tracked

1034
00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:45,840
Speaker 1: it for way longer than we said. No, No, it

1035
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:47,879
Speaker 1: was happy to getting a lot of bad press. Yeah,

1036
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:50,959
Speaker 1: they happen kind of doing a really bad job. Yeah,

1037
00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:54,239
Speaker 1: their communications have not been good. Yeah, no, I mean

1038
00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:57,040
Speaker 1: it was he came he said, this came out of

1039
00:55:57,080 --> 00:56:01,480
Speaker 1: the press conference. That was after they tracked it, and

1040
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:03,520
Speaker 1: it's and they tracked all of it's like you know,

1041
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:06,759
Speaker 1: gyrations turning around, coming back across some lay peninsula and

1042
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:09,800
Speaker 1: then being tracked by radar up north and then and

1043
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:13,840
Speaker 1: then they would established by the pinging of the satellite

1044
00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:16,279
Speaker 1: from the ACR system that it was either you know,

1045
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:20,640
Speaker 1: headed off towards Kazakh Standard or towards the GARCIA. So

1046
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:23,160
Speaker 1: that was about. That was about when he said that

1047
00:56:23,719 --> 00:56:26,239
Speaker 1: that it might have been taken for later use. And

1048
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:29,320
Speaker 1: you know, and so the question is is what is

1049
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:33,480
Speaker 1: that later use? Well? Yeah, well what is it? Well?

1050
00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:37,399
Speaker 1: Delivering a new delivering a bunch of dirty bombs. I've

1051
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:40,799
Speaker 1: taken the liberty of compiling this list of targets here.

1052
00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:44,600
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I know. Why is Joe always trying to

1053
00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:48,520
Speaker 1: get us on every watchless pass right now? He's always Oh,

1054
00:56:48,680 --> 00:56:51,279
Speaker 1: I've got this awesome list. Look at this thing I compiled.

1055
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:53,719
Speaker 1: It's totally top secret. I mean no, it's not. I

1056
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:56,240
Speaker 1: mean it's top it's not. Look at all these places

1057
00:56:56,320 --> 00:56:58,320
Speaker 1: that I would totally take all this stuff if I

1058
00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:02,400
Speaker 1: get my good Yeah. Now, So anyway, so it's a

1059
00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:05,640
Speaker 1: possibility that they maybe it is wanted for use as

1060
00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:07,840
Speaker 1: a delivery device, you know, say a nuke or some

1061
00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:10,239
Speaker 1: dirty bombs or whatever. And I'm just gonna go on

1062
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:13,000
Speaker 1: the record right now, I don't buy this. I agree

1063
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:19,320
Speaker 1: with it because we've already talked about how hard it's

1064
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:24,040
Speaker 1: gonna be for somebody to have landed this plane somewhere undetected.

1065
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:26,840
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go step further, not only that, but then

1066
00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:28,960
Speaker 1: to get it back off the ground and to its

1067
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:34,000
Speaker 1: potential destination undetected. I guess potentially you could pretend to

1068
00:57:34,040 --> 00:57:37,280
Speaker 1: be another flight who's in distress, and there could be

1069
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:39,680
Speaker 1: some weird confusion and it would allow you to get

1070
00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:41,560
Speaker 1: close enough. But I just I don't feel like right

1071
00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:44,440
Speaker 1: now at this point, if a flight went up and

1072
00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:47,400
Speaker 1: they were like, hey, that's an unidentified seven seven seven

1073
00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:51,000
Speaker 1: and and the transponder right, like the thing that sends

1074
00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:56,720
Speaker 1: pings unless they strip that thing off that you're talking about,

1075
00:57:56,720 --> 00:58:00,880
Speaker 1: the A cars, the cars, the cars could potentially be

1076
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:03,440
Speaker 1: completely shut down though, right, but it would have to

1077
00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:05,240
Speaker 1: be right, You would have to be completely sure then

1078
00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:07,479
Speaker 1: at that point, like you've got a seven seven seven

1079
00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:10,640
Speaker 1: that has literally no A cars and it's totally unidentified

1080
00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:13,560
Speaker 1: being picked up on radar, right, and you go, oh no,

1081
00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:15,880
Speaker 1: we're in distress. People are gonna be like, uh no,

1082
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:18,600
Speaker 1: clearly you have a Malaysia flight you They're going to

1083
00:58:18,680 --> 00:58:21,800
Speaker 1: send their little scramble some jets out to you and

1084
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:25,200
Speaker 1: probably down I frankly am in favor of shooting down

1085
00:58:25,240 --> 00:58:30,480
Speaker 1: all seven seven seven. But the uh, the the thing

1086
00:58:30,520 --> 00:58:32,480
Speaker 1: about it is, it's like supposing you use that same

1087
00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:36,000
Speaker 1: radar shadowing technique that we talked about previously. All right,

1088
00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:40,800
Speaker 1: so let's say you want to like, you know, hit

1089
00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:42,880
Speaker 1: a major city or whatever, you know, so you so

1090
00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:45,240
Speaker 1: you do the whole sneak in Obviously you don't want

1091
00:58:45,240 --> 00:58:46,920
Speaker 1: to do it at night. It's gonna have to be

1092
00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:50,840
Speaker 1: a nighttime thing, sneaking right behind another another jet liner.

1093
00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:53,560
Speaker 1: And so the question is is you know where do

1094
00:58:53,640 --> 00:58:58,000
Speaker 1: you sneak into? So here's some possibilities. Um, you recognize

1095
00:58:58,040 --> 00:59:04,520
Speaker 1: this New York. Yeah, that's one possibility. Next one Los Angeles.

1096
00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:06,960
Speaker 1: That seems like a far away place to go. No,

1097
00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:10,800
Speaker 1: not necessarily. Um you remember this as the extended range.

1098
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:14,040
Speaker 1: You know they could and if they went northwest it

1099
00:59:14,040 --> 00:59:16,800
Speaker 1: would be really easy. Rate Yeah, they've got like and

1100
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:20,439
Speaker 1: and don't forget the the payload on this thing is huge.

1101
00:59:20,560 --> 00:59:22,880
Speaker 1: So I mean, if you if you're planing, is carrying

1102
00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:25,760
Speaker 1: just you know, pilot co pilots, some a fugie hottie

1103
00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:27,760
Speaker 1: boys to have to handle the nuke and stuff like that,

1104
00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:30,720
Speaker 1: and that's it. Plus the nuke you know that's pretty

1105
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:33,200
Speaker 1: lightly loaded. It can go, it'll it'll go further, so

1106
00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:36,200
Speaker 1: you can go a good long ways. So the Hollywood

1107
00:59:36,200 --> 00:59:38,960
Speaker 1: scenari under this, under this one, m I've got the

1108
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:42,320
Speaker 1: thing being used as basically an improvised bomber. So here's

1109
00:59:42,360 --> 00:59:45,320
Speaker 1: a seating chart and layout of the seven seventies seven.

1110
00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:48,720
Speaker 1: Here these are the emergency exits here, and you notice

1111
00:59:48,760 --> 00:59:51,000
Speaker 1: that for them are behind the wings, so you no

1112
00:59:51,160 --> 00:59:52,920
Speaker 1: need to worry about killing your engines by having a

1113
00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:57,200
Speaker 1: dirty bomb slamming your jetty engine at high speed. So yeah,

1114
00:59:57,360 --> 00:59:59,840
Speaker 1: there we go. So you you would have to decompress

1115
01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:03,320
Speaker 1: or depressurized little cabin in order to do this, which

1116
01:00:03,320 --> 01:00:06,520
Speaker 1: means everybody who had to wear a breathing apparatus. But

1117
01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:10,520
Speaker 1: supposing you wanted to inflict maximum damage on the Infidel

1118
01:00:10,560 --> 01:00:14,040
Speaker 1: Poe as you possibly could, So here's here's a picture

1119
01:00:14,080 --> 01:00:15,920
Speaker 1: of it. You can see you can see an outside

1120
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:18,840
Speaker 1: view of this this after escape tour, and it's it's nice.

1121
01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:21,080
Speaker 1: It's got a nice little threshold, which which means that

1122
01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:23,880
Speaker 1: after you pop that thing upen and start chunking out

1123
01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:26,440
Speaker 1: dirty bombs, you're like, there's no chance they're going to

1124
01:00:26,520 --> 01:00:28,760
Speaker 1: hear your tail. He's really seriously trying to get us

1125
01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:32,440
Speaker 1: on the watch lest Yeah, man, I just want to like,

1126
01:00:33,240 --> 01:00:37,120
Speaker 1: I just want to like disclaimer, Joe only, Joe only.

1127
01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:42,440
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not saying that. I'm not saying I

1128
01:00:42,520 --> 01:00:44,320
Speaker 1: want this to happen. I'm saying it's something we should

1129
01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:46,160
Speaker 1: be thinking about. All right, So what's your next your

1130
01:00:46,200 --> 01:00:49,600
Speaker 1: next target. Okay, after Hollywood. That's why, that's why I'm

1131
01:00:49,640 --> 01:00:52,320
Speaker 1: picturing in picturing in southern California. It's a target rich environment.

1132
01:00:53,160 --> 01:00:56,360
Speaker 1: Los Angeles Harbor is the largest port on the West Coast.

1133
01:00:56,680 --> 01:00:59,120
Speaker 1: I mean it's as it towers above all the other ports.

1134
01:00:59,200 --> 01:01:01,920
Speaker 1: The other ports are Long Beach right next to it,

1135
01:01:02,240 --> 01:01:04,760
Speaker 1: which is the second largest port on the West Coast.

1136
01:01:04,800 --> 01:01:09,600
Speaker 1: Then after that Seattle, Tacoma, Portland, and so. But but

1137
01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:13,120
Speaker 1: Los Angeles and Long Beach together dwarf all three of

1138
01:01:13,160 --> 01:01:15,680
Speaker 1: the all. Okay, yeah, so it would be a major

1139
01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:21,000
Speaker 1: blow to our economy to dirty bomb these guys. Next up, Yeah,

1140
01:01:23,720 --> 01:01:32,600
Speaker 1: Disney World for Disneyland, not after spend dirty dirty Bob

1141
01:01:33,080 --> 01:01:38,160
Speaker 1: is green now from the radiation. Yeah, and uh, next,

1142
01:01:38,360 --> 01:01:40,840
Speaker 1: next up, this little guy right here. This is where

1143
01:01:40,920 --> 01:01:42,600
Speaker 1: this is where you administer the Q de gra. I

1144
01:01:42,640 --> 01:01:44,600
Speaker 1: mean you're going all the way down the southern California

1145
01:01:44,640 --> 01:01:46,840
Speaker 1: coast talk chucking out dirty bombs all along the way.

1146
01:01:47,040 --> 01:01:49,480
Speaker 1: So you're you're looking at this is one extended flight

1147
01:01:49,560 --> 01:01:52,040
Speaker 1: where they are just dropping bomb after bob. It's truly

1148
01:01:52,160 --> 01:01:54,960
Speaker 1: a bomber. Yeah, it's not a crash and throw off

1149
01:01:55,120 --> 01:01:57,880
Speaker 1: one and explode one. And I just say this is

1150
01:01:58,080 --> 01:01:59,919
Speaker 1: this is a possibility, is that you know, a play

1151
01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:02,680
Speaker 1: in the size and carry a pretty pretty big bayload payload,

1152
01:02:02,720 --> 01:02:06,040
Speaker 1: they could actually come in and you know, I mean

1153
01:02:06,200 --> 01:02:08,280
Speaker 1: and and more likely, if they do something like this,

1154
01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:10,080
Speaker 1: it's just going to be a single nuke and that's it.

1155
01:02:10,640 --> 01:02:12,680
Speaker 1: But I'm saying that if they wanted to do something

1156
01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:15,800
Speaker 1: really really really hamous, I mean, they could be giving

1157
01:02:15,880 --> 01:02:19,440
Speaker 1: some bad people some good ideas. The nice thing is

1158
01:02:19,480 --> 01:02:21,920
Speaker 1: to actually statistics proved that bad people don't listen to

1159
01:02:21,960 --> 01:02:29,000
Speaker 1: our podcast. Our market research has been completed. Absolutely. Yeah.

1160
01:02:29,680 --> 01:02:32,840
Speaker 1: So anyway, so here it is. This is a naval

1161
01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:36,600
Speaker 1: base at San Diego, homeport of the Pacific Fleets. You

1162
01:02:36,680 --> 01:02:39,240
Speaker 1: would take out a lot of incredibly valuable naval assets

1163
01:02:39,280 --> 01:02:42,120
Speaker 1: if you touched off a nuke over this thing. Or

1164
01:02:42,360 --> 01:02:44,840
Speaker 1: you could dirty bomb this and then proceed south not

1165
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:48,880
Speaker 1: too far to Tijuana and then nuke Tijuana just to

1166
01:02:49,040 --> 01:02:53,480
Speaker 1: ruin life for everyone. Yeah, but just just to prove Yeah,

1167
01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:57,400
Speaker 1: I know, seriously, wasn't that ruin everything? Not only did

1168
01:02:57,640 --> 01:02:59,360
Speaker 1: you like take out all our West Coast sports, but

1169
01:02:59,440 --> 01:03:06,520
Speaker 1: also to want no Diszealand and wants gone out alive?

1170
01:03:07,400 --> 01:03:09,400
Speaker 1: Uh and just just I don't want to see them

1171
01:03:09,400 --> 01:03:14,520
Speaker 1: too ethnocentric here. I mean, there's other possibilities Dubai for one, Yeah,

1172
01:03:14,840 --> 01:03:17,440
Speaker 1: the Yeah, I mean number one, you've got this big

1173
01:03:17,520 --> 01:03:21,640
Speaker 1: hawk and tower, uh the College Dubai, I think it's called.

1174
01:03:22,280 --> 01:03:26,280
Speaker 1: And I've read reports that al Qaeda assuming to get

1175
01:03:26,320 --> 01:03:29,080
Speaker 1: back to the Alcaida thing, necessarily Alchaida, but if it

1176
01:03:29,240 --> 01:03:31,520
Speaker 1: is al Kaida and they've got this thing, they might

1177
01:03:31,600 --> 01:03:33,840
Speaker 1: want to actually do something to the Emirateds because I've

1178
01:03:33,880 --> 01:03:35,880
Speaker 1: I've been understanding that they've been kind of turning their

1179
01:03:35,880 --> 01:03:38,160
Speaker 1: attention to the United that they're not so happy with

1180
01:03:38,280 --> 01:03:40,400
Speaker 1: what they're doing there. Yeah, well there's a lot of

1181
01:03:40,440 --> 01:03:43,520
Speaker 1: I mean, just look at this. Is that not decadent? Yeah?

1182
01:03:43,960 --> 01:03:48,200
Speaker 1: Is that is? Yeah? Yeah? A giant shining tower of Babel.

1183
01:03:49,080 --> 01:03:51,760
Speaker 1: Yeah is what that is? It actually literally looks a

1184
01:03:51,800 --> 01:03:56,200
Speaker 1: bit like the tower. It does. Yeah. So the so

1185
01:03:56,360 --> 01:03:59,960
Speaker 1: that these are, there's there's just some some various possibility

1186
01:04:00,200 --> 01:04:03,400
Speaker 1: if it was oh yeah, I mean there's just tons

1187
01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:05,520
Speaker 1: of tons of good places to bomb. If you're like,

1188
01:04:05,600 --> 01:04:07,200
Speaker 1: you know, a suicide bomber kind of guy, and you

1189
01:04:07,320 --> 01:04:09,200
Speaker 1: just happened to have a nuke that the Pakistani's gave

1190
01:04:09,240 --> 01:04:16,520
Speaker 1: you maybe Russia, I mean at that point, who knows. Yeah,

1191
01:04:16,640 --> 01:04:20,240
Speaker 1: well so anyway, Um, but there are there other possibilities

1192
01:04:20,240 --> 01:04:22,040
Speaker 1: out there too. I read an article by a pilot

1193
01:04:22,120 --> 01:04:24,360
Speaker 1: named Bill Palmer, and he was talking about how the

1194
01:04:24,760 --> 01:04:28,520
Speaker 1: behavior of the plane, all the course changes and and

1195
01:04:28,600 --> 01:04:31,160
Speaker 1: everything else. House A few changes were actually consistent with

1196
01:04:31,320 --> 01:04:35,800
Speaker 1: the plane flying without an operator, so the crew was incapacitated,

1197
01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:39,320
Speaker 1: but flying without an operator and not on autopilot. But

1198
01:04:39,520 --> 01:04:42,520
Speaker 1: even even without autopilot, the seven seventy seven will fly itself.

1199
01:04:43,480 --> 01:04:45,880
Speaker 1: But without an autopilot or an operator or a flight

1200
01:04:45,960 --> 01:04:47,920
Speaker 1: plan to tell it where to go, it's just going

1201
01:04:47,960 --> 01:04:51,320
Speaker 1: to sort of fire and anously. The course changes can

1202
01:04:51,440 --> 01:04:54,000
Speaker 1: happen because of turbulence. One week will get lifted up

1203
01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:55,680
Speaker 1: a little higher, and the will cause it to turn

1204
01:04:56,360 --> 01:04:59,439
Speaker 1: things like that, and so it's according to this guy,

1205
01:04:59,520 --> 01:05:03,800
Speaker 1: it's con instant with basically a rudderless plane. It'll just

1206
01:05:03,920 --> 01:05:06,800
Speaker 1: keep going until it runs out of fuel and crashes.

1207
01:05:07,640 --> 01:05:09,560
Speaker 1: I don't like that as good as my my later

1208
01:05:09,720 --> 01:05:12,640
Speaker 1: use theory. I think later uses a lot of sex here. Yeah,

1209
01:05:13,760 --> 01:05:15,680
Speaker 1: I don't think that's the term that I would use

1210
01:05:15,760 --> 01:05:23,000
Speaker 1: for that here. Well, Okay, So I think I asked

1211
01:05:23,040 --> 01:05:26,400
Speaker 1: you this earlier, Joe, and and this is this is

1212
01:05:26,520 --> 01:05:30,680
Speaker 1: me from Leyman's term or Leyman's perspective of it. And

1213
01:05:30,840 --> 01:05:35,240
Speaker 1: I don't understand exactly how these giant planes work. I don't.

1214
01:05:35,320 --> 01:05:37,760
Speaker 1: The mechanics is but beyond me. And I admit this fully.

1215
01:05:38,680 --> 01:05:41,360
Speaker 1: But what I was wondering about is that I've I've

1216
01:05:41,880 --> 01:05:44,160
Speaker 1: seen all these things where people are thinking the plane

1217
01:05:44,160 --> 01:05:46,640
Speaker 1: has been ditched in the oceans on that whether for

1218
01:05:46,760 --> 01:05:49,000
Speaker 1: whatever reason it went down in the ocean. If I'm

1219
01:05:49,080 --> 01:05:52,600
Speaker 1: looking at it from the perspective of somebody intentionally ditched it,

1220
01:05:52,760 --> 01:05:54,720
Speaker 1: and they ditched it in the ocean and then do

1221
01:05:54,920 --> 01:05:59,240
Speaker 1: whatever to salvage it, whatever it is. I know that

1222
01:06:00,200 --> 01:06:03,040
Speaker 1: again this is the Hollywood trope. Whenever the plane comes

1223
01:06:03,080 --> 01:06:06,600
Speaker 1: down on the water, it smack smack, crash, tumble, tumble boom,

1224
01:06:06,960 --> 01:06:10,720
Speaker 1: like things don't go well. But knowing how big and

1225
01:06:11,000 --> 01:06:14,760
Speaker 1: stable this plane is, I was thinking about it the

1226
01:06:14,800 --> 01:06:16,520
Speaker 1: other day and I was wondering, like, wouldn't it be

1227
01:06:16,800 --> 01:06:19,880
Speaker 1: possible if you know that you're gonna have to go

1228
01:06:20,080 --> 01:06:24,320
Speaker 1: down to come down to a low altitude and really

1229
01:06:24,560 --> 01:06:28,800
Speaker 1: slow the speed down, and you guys have made paper

1230
01:06:28,840 --> 01:06:31,560
Speaker 1: airplanes before, right? Have you ever you ever thrown an

1231
01:06:31,560 --> 01:06:34,000
Speaker 1: airplane and it does the loopy loop and then it

1232
01:06:34,200 --> 01:06:36,080
Speaker 1: comes out of that and it comes through the bottom

1233
01:06:36,120 --> 01:06:39,240
Speaker 1: of its arc, and it goes up just a little bit,

1234
01:06:39,400 --> 01:06:41,520
Speaker 1: noses up, and then it just sets down on the

1235
01:06:41,560 --> 01:06:46,760
Speaker 1: ground and just kind of I'm not Alane, well, you

1236
01:06:46,840 --> 01:06:48,520
Speaker 1: know it's it's it's a talent. I can't help it.

1237
01:06:48,880 --> 01:06:51,960
Speaker 1: But the point is, is it possible with a plane

1238
01:06:52,080 --> 01:06:55,080
Speaker 1: like that to have to slow it down enough and

1239
01:06:55,320 --> 01:06:58,000
Speaker 1: to get it to kind of nose up and then

1240
01:06:58,120 --> 01:07:01,520
Speaker 1: lose the inertia and stall out and just drop you know,

1241
01:07:01,600 --> 01:07:04,240
Speaker 1: let's say fifty feet or twenty feet or whatever it is,

1242
01:07:04,720 --> 01:07:09,080
Speaker 1: just boom, just drop it flat into the wall rather

1243
01:07:09,160 --> 01:07:11,360
Speaker 1: than trying to skid it across the wall. I feel

1244
01:07:11,400 --> 01:07:14,680
Speaker 1: like that would break the wings off. I don't know that.

1245
01:07:14,840 --> 01:07:19,000
Speaker 1: That's why I'm asking, because I wonder about that. Yeah, yeah,

1246
01:07:19,040 --> 01:07:21,480
Speaker 1: I think that The thing about that is is like

1247
01:07:21,760 --> 01:07:25,560
Speaker 1: your paper airplane is is moving at a fairly slow speed,

1248
01:07:25,880 --> 01:07:28,200
Speaker 1: and then it goes up and its stalls and it

1249
01:07:28,320 --> 01:07:31,720
Speaker 1: comes down. But the problem is is that for about

1250
01:07:31,840 --> 01:07:34,720
Speaker 1: seven seven, seven seventy seven stall speed is is I don't.

1251
01:07:34,760 --> 01:07:36,800
Speaker 1: I'm not I don't know exactly what stall speed is,

1252
01:07:37,400 --> 01:07:38,920
Speaker 1: but it's gonna be it's not going to come to

1253
01:07:39,000 --> 01:07:41,040
Speaker 1: a stop before its stalls. It's gonna stall out it

1254
01:07:41,080 --> 01:07:44,280
Speaker 1: like a hundred miles an hour, because that's yeah, that's

1255
01:07:44,280 --> 01:07:46,360
Speaker 1: the point where air is not flowing over the wings

1256
01:07:46,480 --> 01:07:49,280
Speaker 1: enough to keep it lifted. Its stalls, and then it

1257
01:07:49,440 --> 01:07:52,440
Speaker 1: drops and yeah, and then it hurts real bad. And

1258
01:07:52,520 --> 01:07:55,520
Speaker 1: so let's let's let's say, for example, I mean, let's say,

1259
01:07:55,560 --> 01:07:58,360
Speaker 1: for example that stall speed is only fifty miles an hour,

1260
01:07:58,520 --> 01:08:00,320
Speaker 1: which I'm sure it's got to be more than that,

1261
01:08:01,000 --> 01:08:05,800
Speaker 1: just hypothetical. Yeah, yeah, say it's fifty Okay, So yeah,

1262
01:08:05,840 --> 01:08:08,320
Speaker 1: so it's still clipping right along EGO up you come down.

1263
01:08:08,440 --> 01:08:11,080
Speaker 1: And then because you're in the open ocean, and almost

1264
01:08:11,120 --> 01:08:13,520
Speaker 1: certainly unless it's totally be calm, there's gonna be waves

1265
01:08:13,640 --> 01:08:16,400
Speaker 1: out there, and you've got two big engines hanging down

1266
01:08:16,479 --> 01:08:21,160
Speaker 1: below there, below your wings, and unless you see anchors, yeah,

1267
01:08:21,280 --> 01:08:24,960
Speaker 1: unless you hit two waves at precisely the same time,

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Speaker 1: what you're not gonna do. You know, What's what's gonna

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01:08:27,479 --> 01:08:29,479
Speaker 1: happen is one engine is gonna catch first, and then

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01:08:29,479 --> 01:08:33,080
Speaker 1: you're gonna just cartwheel or spin around or whatever. It was.

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01:08:33,160 --> 01:08:35,840
Speaker 1: It was just something. But that, you know, that means

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01:08:36,439 --> 01:08:38,519
Speaker 1: there was a case that that flight in New York

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Speaker 1: a couple of years ago, that pilot was able to

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01:08:40,600 --> 01:08:44,360
Speaker 1: ditch it in like Long Island Sound. But yeah, that

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01:08:44,439 --> 01:08:47,280
Speaker 1: was a really small plane. I forget what kind of

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01:08:47,320 --> 01:08:51,280
Speaker 1: airliner it was. It was, it was a private jet, basically,

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Speaker 1: what do you think, Hue, I thought that, No, that

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01:08:53,400 --> 01:08:55,800
Speaker 1: wasn't that was like it was. It wasn't a huge thing.

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01:08:55,880 --> 01:09:00,880
Speaker 1: It was a relatively small, like you two seats on

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01:09:01,000 --> 01:09:03,000
Speaker 1: each side of the aisle kind of. It wasn't a

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01:09:03,040 --> 01:09:05,400
Speaker 1: huge It wasn't a seven seven seven. Yeah. And also

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01:09:05,520 --> 01:09:08,680
Speaker 1: it was landing in in very calm waters where there

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01:09:08,680 --> 01:09:10,840
Speaker 1: weren't big ways to catch your engines on stuff like that.

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01:09:10,920 --> 01:09:13,360
Speaker 1: So it's pretty favorable circumstances. But on the open ocean

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01:09:13,439 --> 01:09:15,400
Speaker 1: that seems unlikely you're gonna be able to ditch it

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01:09:15,439 --> 01:09:19,600
Speaker 1: without catastrophic results. And so here's my big thing with

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01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:24,720
Speaker 1: the whole crash of the ocean it burned up in

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01:09:24,800 --> 01:09:28,280
Speaker 1: a fiery ball, is that there have been report and

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01:09:28,360 --> 01:09:30,400
Speaker 1: not you know, I don't know how valid they are,

1290
01:09:30,479 --> 01:09:32,320
Speaker 1: but there have been a lot of reports of people

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01:09:32,360 --> 01:09:35,400
Speaker 1: who have family and friends that are on this airliner

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01:09:35,439 --> 01:09:40,479
Speaker 1: are trying to call their cell phones and their phones ringing. Yeah.

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01:09:41,200 --> 01:09:43,840
Speaker 1: I have the answer to that, what's your answering? Okay?

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01:09:45,000 --> 01:09:51,880
Speaker 1: The problem with that is have you ever called internationally? Yeah? Okay?

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01:09:52,400 --> 01:09:54,240
Speaker 1: And have you ever noticed that you make an international

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01:09:54,320 --> 01:09:58,200
Speaker 1: call and sometimes it rings forever before they pick up

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01:09:58,320 --> 01:10:02,080
Speaker 1: or the answering machine picks up. Yeah. The way I

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01:10:02,280 --> 01:10:07,919
Speaker 1: understand that operating is that the service provider is trying

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01:10:08,120 --> 01:10:13,000
Speaker 1: to reach the phone and it starts giving you the

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01:10:13,160 --> 01:10:19,519
Speaker 1: ringing noise. Doesn't mean it's actually connected. It's just it's

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01:10:19,560 --> 01:10:23,479
Speaker 1: giving you the noise because it's saying I'm trying, I'm trying,

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01:10:24,040 --> 01:10:26,519
Speaker 1: I'm trying, and then maybe you hear a click and

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01:10:26,600 --> 01:10:29,559
Speaker 1: then it actually will be the real ringer. But it's trying,

1304
01:10:29,760 --> 01:10:34,280
Speaker 1: and it's throwing that ring noise basically response to an illusion,

1305
01:10:34,400 --> 01:10:37,920
Speaker 1: basically convincing you you know that something is happening, you know,

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01:10:38,120 --> 01:10:40,280
Speaker 1: and something is happening. They're trying to find the phone.

1307
01:10:40,400 --> 01:10:44,519
Speaker 1: But I have family overseas, and I have I have

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01:10:44,680 --> 01:10:48,240
Speaker 1: called them before. And let's say that it normally takes

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01:10:48,320 --> 01:10:50,800
Speaker 1: four rings for their answering machine to pick up, and

1310
01:10:52,200 --> 01:10:56,719
Speaker 1: it's five rings, six rings, and then the answering machine

1311
01:10:56,760 --> 01:11:00,400
Speaker 1: to pick up. It's because the servers happen't quite connect. Yeah,

1312
01:11:00,439 --> 01:11:03,160
Speaker 1: but they're still throwing the noise to me to let

1313
01:11:03,240 --> 01:11:06,479
Speaker 1: me know it's it's it's working, So that's the problem.

1314
01:11:06,600 --> 01:11:09,960
Speaker 1: That's fair. But I mean I have heard the people saying,

1315
01:11:10,520 --> 01:11:13,200
Speaker 1: we keep trying to call my brother, my mom, and

1316
01:11:13,280 --> 01:11:16,720
Speaker 1: my unter whoever he is, and it's ringing, So there

1317
01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:20,040
Speaker 1: must be their phone must be on. But I don't

1318
01:11:20,479 --> 01:11:23,080
Speaker 1: I don't buy into it knowing how those systems work.

1319
01:11:24,920 --> 01:11:27,800
Speaker 1: Supposing they crashed on land, though, and supposing at least

1320
01:11:27,800 --> 01:11:30,439
Speaker 1: one cell phone survived, would you be able to track

1321
01:11:30,520 --> 01:11:33,599
Speaker 1: them down using that? Probably? Yeah, quite likely. If there's

1322
01:11:33,600 --> 01:11:37,320
Speaker 1: a cell tower. There's a cell tower. Yeah, you know,

1323
01:11:37,560 --> 01:11:39,960
Speaker 1: all a lot of people had like those phones that

1324
01:11:40,000 --> 01:11:45,360
Speaker 1: are supposed to superwaterproof. Maybe that was it, Yeah, superwaterproof

1325
01:11:45,400 --> 01:11:48,400
Speaker 1: plus they float. Yeah, there has to be a cell tower,

1326
01:11:48,479 --> 01:11:55,439
Speaker 1: like fift away, there's some macro. I don't think that's happening. Yeah,

1327
01:11:56,000 --> 01:11:58,360
Speaker 1: so I am trying to think. I kind of run

1328
01:11:58,400 --> 01:12:04,120
Speaker 1: out of there. Well, Aliens Alien is huge on the inn.

1329
01:12:04,600 --> 01:12:10,880
Speaker 1: They were stolen by the Chinese or the Malaysian Bermuda Triangle. Yeah. No,

1330
01:12:11,000 --> 01:12:13,400
Speaker 1: it looks like the three minute triangle just got extended

1331
01:12:13,439 --> 01:12:17,840
Speaker 1: a big long way. Yeah. Yeah, it's now a tetrahedron.

1332
01:12:18,720 --> 01:12:23,679
Speaker 1: It's the Malaca Street. Yeah, that's true. That's because there's

1333
01:12:23,720 --> 01:12:26,160
Speaker 1: that too. There's that other mystery that we solved, the

1334
01:12:28,080 --> 01:12:33,559
Speaker 1: ship that thing. Yeah, that's one thing. The thing. Yeah,

1335
01:12:34,840 --> 01:12:38,439
Speaker 1: I just yeah, I mean, other than aliens obviously being

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01:12:38,520 --> 01:12:42,960
Speaker 1: responsible for it, I don't know. I don't mean, I

1337
01:12:44,960 --> 01:12:50,400
Speaker 1: like the idea that it was landed somewhere remote and

1338
01:12:50,600 --> 01:12:52,920
Speaker 1: they haven't been able to get ahold of anybody, and

1339
01:12:52,960 --> 01:12:57,639
Speaker 1: they're all, okay, that's two nine souls, and that is Yeah,

1340
01:12:58,200 --> 01:13:02,720
Speaker 1: there's a lot of people lost. But I really, I

1341
01:13:02,960 --> 01:13:09,600
Speaker 1: unfortunately lean more towards the catastrophic fire I have. I

1342
01:13:09,800 --> 01:13:12,760
Speaker 1: just I think that that is a viable solution. With

1343
01:13:12,960 --> 01:13:16,120
Speaker 1: all of the flaws of theories that we've seen out there,

1344
01:13:16,479 --> 01:13:19,920
Speaker 1: it's the only one that strikes possibly true to me.

1345
01:13:20,840 --> 01:13:24,120
Speaker 1: And then unfortunately it just didn't make it a doubt.

1346
01:13:25,240 --> 01:13:28,000
Speaker 1: So we're saying theories that we think are totally reasonable,

1347
01:13:28,120 --> 01:13:30,240
Speaker 1: not theories we like the most. Oh no, no, no, no,

1348
01:13:30,439 --> 01:13:32,800
Speaker 1: you know me, I don't go with my favorite theory

1349
01:13:32,800 --> 01:13:35,040
Speaker 1: because I think it's fun. I always i'm Devil's ad

1350
01:13:35,680 --> 01:13:37,920
Speaker 1: Which one do I think could really happen? Because my favorite,

1351
01:13:38,040 --> 01:13:40,280
Speaker 1: my favorite theory is they slipped out of time. Yeah,

1352
01:13:40,479 --> 01:13:42,200
Speaker 1: that's a good one. I like that. I run out

1353
01:13:42,240 --> 01:13:44,640
Speaker 1: of time all the time. Yeah, my favorite is that

1354
01:13:44,800 --> 01:13:47,800
Speaker 1: somebody took it for later use and so. But the

1355
01:13:47,880 --> 01:13:49,960
Speaker 1: great thing about that one is like they're busy, They're

1356
01:13:50,000 --> 01:13:52,760
Speaker 1: busy tearing up the ocean and Kazakh standard everywhere else

1357
01:13:52,840 --> 01:13:56,080
Speaker 1: looking for wreckage right now. And you know, so maybe

1358
01:13:56,160 --> 01:13:58,360
Speaker 1: who knows, I'll find something the next few days, next

1359
01:13:58,400 --> 01:14:01,120
Speaker 1: few weeks. But as far as somebody taking it for

1360
01:14:01,200 --> 01:14:03,479
Speaker 1: later years, we're gonna find out about that too. And

1361
01:14:03,600 --> 01:14:05,599
Speaker 1: it might be that in terms of looking for records,

1362
01:14:05,680 --> 01:14:09,160
Speaker 1: nothing will ever turn up that that's not unheard up

1363
01:14:09,280 --> 01:14:14,360
Speaker 1: and don't find it because it's thousands upon thousands upon

1364
01:14:14,439 --> 01:14:18,360
Speaker 1: thousands of miles of square. I think that we'll find

1365
01:14:18,400 --> 01:14:21,519
Speaker 1: out probably either in the next week or a year

1366
01:14:21,600 --> 01:14:23,719
Speaker 1: or two from now. So the guys that are sitting

1367
01:14:23,760 --> 01:14:26,000
Speaker 1: on it right now obviously realized they can't keep this

1368
01:14:26,080 --> 01:14:28,439
Speaker 1: secret for too long, so they're gonna want to use

1369
01:14:28,520 --> 01:14:30,560
Speaker 1: it and go new tele aviv or somewhere like that,

1370
01:14:31,840 --> 01:14:35,080
Speaker 1: or conversally, they might decide to just if they've got

1371
01:14:35,160 --> 01:14:37,639
Speaker 1: it really tucked away in a very secure hang or somewhere,

1372
01:14:37,680 --> 01:14:39,160
Speaker 1: they might decide just to sit on it for a

1373
01:14:39,240 --> 01:14:41,639
Speaker 1: year or two or five and then bring it out.

1374
01:14:42,160 --> 01:14:47,760
Speaker 1: Nobody's going to really remember the transponder number in five years. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1375
01:14:48,240 --> 01:14:49,800
Speaker 1: so they might sit on it for a while, but

1376
01:14:50,120 --> 01:14:52,760
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm kind of guessing they won't wait that long,

1377
01:14:53,520 --> 01:14:55,519
Speaker 1: kind of guessing. These these guys are impatient, you know,

1378
01:14:55,680 --> 01:14:59,920
Speaker 1: you know these you know these guys. Yeah, radicals, they

1379
01:15:00,040 --> 01:15:04,040
Speaker 1: is the term you're looking for our loons. So are

1380
01:15:04,120 --> 01:15:07,679
Speaker 1: we gonna have pictures and stuff? Yeah, we're gonna have pictures,

1381
01:15:07,760 --> 01:15:14,479
Speaker 1: probably on our website, which is thinking Sideways podcast dot com. Yeah,

1382
01:15:15,240 --> 01:15:17,879
Speaker 1: if you'd like to go out and find us on iTunes,

1383
01:15:17,920 --> 01:15:21,880
Speaker 1: we are on iTunes. We're also on Stitcher if you don't,

1384
01:15:22,000 --> 01:15:23,519
Speaker 1: if you haven't had time to download it to your

1385
01:15:23,720 --> 01:15:29,920
Speaker 1: your iPod, then go to Stitcher just exactly. Yeah. Uh,

1386
01:15:30,040 --> 01:15:32,560
Speaker 1: you know, and of course like us on Facebook, and

1387
01:15:32,840 --> 01:15:34,160
Speaker 1: you know, if you want to set us an email,

1388
01:15:34,160 --> 01:15:36,240
Speaker 1: if you have theories or if you're one of the

1389
01:15:36,320 --> 01:15:38,760
Speaker 1: hijackers that stole us plane. We really want to hear

1390
01:15:38,800 --> 01:15:42,680
Speaker 1: from you for the aliens. We promise if you're a hijacker,

1391
01:15:42,840 --> 01:15:45,960
Speaker 1: not to leak your email address to anybody important. I

1392
01:15:46,120 --> 01:15:52,360
Speaker 1: can't promise that. Uh. Oh, I thank you. Yeah. You

1393
01:15:52,439 --> 01:15:55,160
Speaker 1: can contact us at our email address, which is Thinking

1394
01:15:55,240 --> 01:15:59,040
Speaker 1: Sideways podcast at gmail dot com. If you have the

1395
01:15:59,080 --> 01:16:02,519
Speaker 1: Malaysian Prime Minister third. Uh, don't stress, we're still thinking

1396
01:16:02,560 --> 01:16:07,960
Speaker 1: about it. We'll get back to you soon. All right. Well, anyway,

1397
01:16:08,040 --> 01:16:11,040
Speaker 1: that's it for this week. Uh, this is by the

1398
01:16:11,120 --> 01:16:13,599
Speaker 1: time you hear this. Who knows, maybe the whole mystery

1399
01:16:13,640 --> 01:16:15,320
Speaker 1: will have been solved. I'm kind of doubting at the

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01:16:15,360 --> 01:16:19,080
Speaker 1: place we're going. But but but didn't we just solve it?

1401
01:16:19,600 --> 01:16:23,040
Speaker 1: We did well. We thought we saw the three ways basically. Um,

1402
01:16:23,640 --> 01:16:26,559
Speaker 1: so it may well be that, like in the next week,

1403
01:16:26,640 --> 01:16:28,760
Speaker 1: we'll know which one of us will right. We'll find

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01:16:28,840 --> 01:16:34,040
Speaker 1: we'll find out. Until then, goodbye everybody, Bye guys. Bye,