1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,960 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to The Herd podcast. Be sure to 2 00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:05,720 Speaker 1: catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports Radio in 3 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:09,560 Speaker 1: noon to three eastern nine am to noon Pacific. Find 4 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:12,119 Speaker 1: your local station for The Herd at Fox Sports Radio 5 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 1: dot com, or stream US live every day on the 6 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:18,440 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. 7 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:23,960 Speaker 2: You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. 8 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:29,480 Speaker 1: And with that, Urban Meyer on a feisty college football 9 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:34,159 Speaker 1: weekend is joining US live. Three time national champion, by 10 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 1: the way, he's at the Bellagio. He's getting voted into 11 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:39,040 Speaker 1: the College Football Hall of Fame tomorrow. I've been the 12 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:42,519 Speaker 1: bo Is Nice by the way, and you know I 13 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 1: got some pretty swanky restaurants in there. Make sure you 14 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:48,160 Speaker 1: don't have to pick up the bill, and you won't. 15 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:56,960 Speaker 1: So I said all things. Said Miami getting in Notre 16 00:00:57,040 --> 00:01:00,360 Speaker 1: Dame not I thought was the right call. I don't 17 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:03,279 Speaker 1: care about two lane James Madison. They'd never make it 18 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 1: in my playoff. But Texas Alabama. You can argue both sides. 19 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:12,120 Speaker 1: But Alabama did get into the SEZ Championship and Texas couldn't. 20 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:14,839 Speaker 1: So there's your argument. You can't punish Alabama for getting 21 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:18,680 Speaker 1: into the conference championship. Did you have one big problem 22 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:20,280 Speaker 1: with the twelve teams? 23 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:24,319 Speaker 3: No, I actually think that Alabama going in was the 24 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 3: right thing. I took some heat on that just from 25 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 3: friends of mine, that how can you pick a three 26 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 3: lost team? And I said, they're number two in the 27 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:34,760 Speaker 3: SEC and this year the toughest conference in college football. 28 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:37,080 Speaker 3: It's always one of the top two. And same with 29 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:39,920 Speaker 3: the Big Ten. I am such on a on a 30 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:43,280 Speaker 3: you know, on a I'm passionate that the committee's and 31 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 3: I love the committe Mark D'Antonio is on the committee, 32 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 3: I think, and he's one of my dear friends. They 33 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 3: are faced within a possible situation. You know, Colin, if 34 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 3: you joined me, Ingram, mark Ingram, Matt Lioner, Brady Quinn, 35 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 3: myself and the Bear, and we're all really studying this game, 36 00:01:57,800 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 3: we would have completely different Top twelve. You know, you 37 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 3: just you have differences. They are forced with an untenable situation. 38 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 3: So Mike and I'm going to keep swinging as hard 39 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 3: as they can on this thing, and you have to 40 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 3: have playings. It'll be the most lucrative weekend in the 41 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 3: history of college football. You have a championship weekend. The 42 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:18,120 Speaker 3: Big Ten the Big Ten, the SEC, the ACC, the 43 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 3: Big twelve, Mountain West, all of them. And then you 44 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:24,520 Speaker 3: have playing games. And the playing games are there's no 45 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:28,080 Speaker 3: more committee, it's just set. Yeah, it's not people making 46 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:30,560 Speaker 3: decisions who win. Because someone asked me this question, it 47 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 3: was Notre Dame better than Miami at the end of 48 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 3: the year, and I maybe I don't know. I mean, 49 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:38,959 Speaker 3: how do you I thought Indiana? I thought Ohias State 50 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:41,960 Speaker 3: was better than Indiana. There's only one way to decide 51 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:44,680 Speaker 3: that they played. And I'm a Notre Dame. Not I 52 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:47,720 Speaker 3: love Notre Dame. I love Marcus so stopping with always 53 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:48,400 Speaker 3: anti Notary. 54 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 4: No, I'm not. 55 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:52,080 Speaker 3: They played, so it's over. It's done. That move on 56 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:55,359 Speaker 3: from that conversation. Well, they played early, it doesn't matter 57 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 3: they played. When you have people making decisions. And I 58 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:01,359 Speaker 3: made this comment as my friend jaredy and Artol said 59 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 3: it too. It's the only multi billion dollar industry in 60 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 3: the history of the United States where volunteers are making decisions. 61 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:08,800 Speaker 3: You can't do that. 62 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:14,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, listen, like you, I tend to in big games 63 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 1: go with the roster with a lot of NFL bodies. 64 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 1: If I like both coaches, the pass rush, the pass 65 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 1: rush that Indiana got on Ohio State just and I 66 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 1: mean this wasn't like schemey, it was bulldozer. It was bullying. 67 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:38,120 Speaker 1: Were you surprised by the defensive front of Indiana pushing 68 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 1: Ohio State backwards for about three and a half hours? 69 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 3: In many instances, I was to a degree I've seen 70 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:47,840 Speaker 3: Indiana up close and personal. I made the comment it's 71 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 3: as well coached team as there is in my lifetime. 72 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 3: But Todd McShay also pointed out to me it's also 73 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 3: the littlest talented roster in the history of IU football 74 00:03:57,480 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 3: by far eight projected NFL draft picks. That's a combined 75 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 3: that's more than the last eight years combined. 76 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 1: Wow. 77 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 3: So it is a very talented team. I stood on 78 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 3: the field, Indiana's big, athletic and well coached. I use 79 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 3: the term they are an sec front looking team, and 80 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:17,920 Speaker 3: they look like it in Innanapolis, no doubt. 81 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 1: Listen, Fernando Mendoza carbon, that's that's my take. I love 82 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 1: After the game, he was like, you know, he was 83 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 1: so fired up. I don't know. That's about as good 84 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:35,920 Speaker 1: a college quarterback, size, brains, competitiveness, What do you make 85 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 1: of him? 86 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:39,720 Speaker 3: Well, he was on our podcast, and he was here 87 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:41,920 Speaker 3: reminding me of J. C. Bett at T bow all 88 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:45,599 Speaker 3: those guys that are smarter, actually way smarter than the coaches. 89 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 3: He talked us through the two minute drill against Penn 90 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:51,559 Speaker 3: State like a like a coach would, like a coordinator would. 91 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 3: I've gotten to know the guy. I think. Here's what 92 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:57,240 Speaker 3: I think about him as an NFL prespect got changed. 93 00:04:57,600 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 3: I made a comment before this game he should come back. 94 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 3: I don't think so. Now. I saw against a team 95 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 3: that had better talent than Indiana, and he won that 96 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:11,279 Speaker 3: fricking game. He made a couple of ball placements, his accuracy, 97 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 3: the ball out quick. You know, he ran when he 98 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:16,559 Speaker 3: had to. He got hit right square in the face 99 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:19,159 Speaker 3: of the second first play of the game and toughed 100 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:22,559 Speaker 3: his way through it. So I think you the nflready. 101 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:24,039 Speaker 3: I didn't say that before this game. 102 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, So Oklahoma and Alabama are going to play. I 103 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 1: think I like Alabama, but I don't feel good about it. 104 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:37,839 Speaker 1: I think Miami can beat Texas A and m I 105 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 1: do because I think Miami's D line is like totally legit. 106 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 1: Do you see if as I put this up to 107 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:53,280 Speaker 1: the college football Playoff? I don't think Miami beating Texas 108 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 1: A and m is an upset. I think they got 109 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:58,719 Speaker 1: the four seeds right. If you had the gas based 110 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 1: on this, who plays in Natty Urban? What would be 111 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:01,799 Speaker 1: your guest today? 112 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:06,720 Speaker 3: I'm saying Georgia against Ohio State in the semi, and 113 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:10,720 Speaker 3: then I'm saying Oregon and I you and the semi, 114 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:13,920 Speaker 3: and then I'm those are the final four, and then 115 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:17,000 Speaker 3: I don't know. I think it's going to be incredible 116 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:19,440 Speaker 3: football at the end of the season. I like the practice. 117 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:21,360 Speaker 3: I like the way they did it. You know, I'm 118 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 3: going to say two words about Miami Carson Becky. Yeah, 119 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 3: if he takes care of the ball, they can win. 120 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:28,719 Speaker 3: If he doesn't have to lose. That's that's time tested. 121 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 3: That's at Georgia, that's now at Miami. If he takes 122 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:34,040 Speaker 3: care of the ball, You're right, that's That's the only 123 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 3: concern I have in that one. 124 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:39,560 Speaker 1: You're getting inducted into the Florida Ring of Honor, you're 125 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:43,120 Speaker 1: getting inducted tomorrow into the College Football Hall of Fame, 126 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 1: and you didn't get a you didn't get a coach 127 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:50,599 Speaker 1: during nil or you didn't get a coach during you know, 128 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:54,039 Speaker 1: the playoff I said this about Kurt Signetti. I said 129 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:58,120 Speaker 1: it used to be. I always felt college football was 130 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:00,080 Speaker 1: a young man's game for a coach because you're on 131 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:02,039 Speaker 1: the road too in a day's a year. But the 132 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 1: NIL you can sit in your office and write. You know, 133 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:06,240 Speaker 1: you can just be a GM. You don't have to 134 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:07,920 Speaker 1: get in a plane, you don't have to do all 135 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 1: that recruiting. Mark Marcus Freeman's a young guy, good looking, 136 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 1: young He's built for college football. He's going to get 137 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 1: an NFL offer with all the movement and the weirdness 138 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 1: of college football, a sport we love. If you were 139 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 1: Marcus Freeman, you just got told you're not in which 140 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 1: I think was a right move by the committee. Would 141 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 1: you stay in college football or would you take a 142 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 1: New York Giants level job? What do you do if 143 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 1: you're Marcus Freeman? Because that is going to be a 144 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 1: story the second the NFL season ends. 145 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:43,280 Speaker 3: Marcus is my friend, he god asked me. But I 146 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:48,120 Speaker 3: would say, you stay in college. You have controllables in college. 147 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:50,400 Speaker 3: As a head coach in the NFL, I found you 148 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:53,560 Speaker 3: just there's so many uncontrollables that you you don't have. 149 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 3: You know, whether it's the GM the you know, just 150 00:07:57,240 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 3: so you have an owner, you have all kinds of things. 151 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:03,040 Speaker 3: In college, it's you and Marcus Freeman at Notre Dame. 152 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 3: No his great support from the AD and the president, 153 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 3: et cetera, et cetera. But Marcus Freeman, as I found out, 154 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 3: you give up so much when you take that next step, 155 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:14,920 Speaker 3: and so much that's out of your control. And plus 156 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 3: you're gonna lose in the NFL. It's built, and I'm 157 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:21,240 Speaker 3: not sure Marcus the Marcus I know he can't take 158 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 3: losing like I can't take losing. You're gonna win it 159 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:26,239 Speaker 3: Notre Dame. Now, are you gonna win a national title? 160 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 3: I don't know, But look at their schedule. He's going 161 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 3: to play a season every year where he's favored in 162 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 3: the least nine or ten of those games, maybe more. 163 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 3: That doesn't happen at the next level. 164 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:41,640 Speaker 1: What did you make with USC being number one and recruiting? 165 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 1: In fact, number one was SC. A lot of people 166 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:48,000 Speaker 1: thought Oregon was two. Marcus Freeman a great recruiters up there, 167 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 1: so was Bama. But what did you make of USC? 168 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:52,959 Speaker 1: Did you feel like it means something? 169 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:58,360 Speaker 3: Absolutely? And Lincoln Riley should be a great recruiter I've 170 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:00,400 Speaker 3: always said this. You've heard me say this's many minute. 171 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:03,600 Speaker 3: The one team I do not understand in college sports 172 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:07,680 Speaker 3: is University of Southern California. Why are they not Ohio State? 173 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:11,320 Speaker 3: Why are they not Alabama? I don't I've always looked 174 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:13,240 Speaker 3: at that program as the top three job. You have 175 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:16,320 Speaker 3: everything right there. I'm looking on the TV right now 176 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:20,679 Speaker 3: on beautiful uniforms, the history, the coliseum, I mean, and 177 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:23,560 Speaker 3: more importantly, you get in a car and drive for 178 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 3: three hours, and you can fill a recruiting class. And 179 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 3: plus you drive it. Will you walk into every high school? 180 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:31,440 Speaker 3: We're in that trojan or where are those colors? Everybody 181 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:35,080 Speaker 3: knows who you are? So I congratulations. I'm glad they 182 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:37,840 Speaker 3: stuck with Lincoln Raley. I'm a Lincoln. I like the guy. 183 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 3: I think he's an excellent coach. I think he just 184 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 3: had to get real serious about recruiting. And maybe he 185 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:45,839 Speaker 3: Maybe it wasn't him, Maybe it's USC that says enough 186 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:49,280 Speaker 3: of this stuff, let's get going. And I almost cuss. 187 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:52,720 Speaker 3: So I'm glad I did it. But yeah, enough, enough's enough. 188 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:55,760 Speaker 3: It's time for USC to be in the final for sure. 189 00:09:55,840 --> 00:09:58,320 Speaker 3: What we're talking about them not in the playoffs, Colin, 190 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 3: I don't usc. It's time to get going and this 191 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:04,960 Speaker 3: is a good step. 192 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 1: Let's go one more question. I want to going back 193 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:11,480 Speaker 1: to Ohio State Indiana. Now. I thought it was the 194 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 1: biggest game in the history of Indiana football. And they 195 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:17,200 Speaker 1: crushed and they deserve all of it. I said before 196 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:20,360 Speaker 1: the game, I said, I think Ohio State will be 197 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 1: fired up. But I mean, we just leave Michigan. We 198 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:26,360 Speaker 1: got the playoff, we're national champions. I may hide a 199 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 1: little of my playbook. I thought it was a harder 200 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:33,440 Speaker 1: game for Ohio State to coach in Indiana. Does that 201 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:34,240 Speaker 1: make any sense? 202 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 3: Oh, it makes a lot of sense. And I think 203 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:40,240 Speaker 3: just looking there's nothing like battle scars. I used to 204 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:42,439 Speaker 3: tell my team this all the time, going on the 205 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:45,760 Speaker 3: Rode Dawtin Stadium. That's a scar win or lose your scarred, 206 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:49,440 Speaker 3: which means you've been matured. You've been having to go 207 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:51,800 Speaker 3: to Penn State, a team that had better players than you, 208 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 3: not by much now, but they did, and you have 209 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 3: to go drive it eighty was it eighty three yards? 210 00:10:57,559 --> 00:11:01,640 Speaker 3: After that sack to go win with zero timeouts? Your scars. 211 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:05,360 Speaker 3: Ohio State winning that game without any stars, and they 212 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:07,440 Speaker 3: went on the road to Washington. They beat a Texas 213 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:09,240 Speaker 3: team that wasn't a very good when they played them. 214 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:12,679 Speaker 3: Now they did what they had to do. But keep 215 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 3: this in mind, the quarterback Julian saying, through twenty five 216 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 3: passes in the fourth quarter all year, that means there's 217 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 3: no scars. Yeah, now he's got a couple of scars 218 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:23,120 Speaker 3: on his face, or a couple of scars that team does. 219 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:25,640 Speaker 3: They'll be better because of it. You just wish they 220 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:27,040 Speaker 3: didn't lose a ring because of it. 221 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:30,440 Speaker 1: Yeah. I still have the Buckeyes winning the Natty as 222 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:33,959 Speaker 1: a congratulations. By the way, I've been to Blagio before. 223 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 1: They got a place called Spagos that has an unbelievable 224 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 1: locks caviar pizza. I didn't buy it. Somebody bought it 225 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:44,400 Speaker 1: for me. I'm just telling if you're wandering by, you 226 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 1: might just want to sneak in there and order it. 227 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:49,440 Speaker 1: Congratulations to you, coach, you know how much I think 228 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 1: he ha Congrats again. 229 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 3: Well you're a friend, Paul, and I'm going to name 230 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:54,880 Speaker 3: drop you today that that played us at that spot. 231 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:57,720 Speaker 1: All right, that'll get your glass of lemonade for free. 232 00:11:57,720 --> 00:12:00,240 Speaker 1: It won't get you the pizza. I talked about you're 233 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 1: the best. 234 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:00,800 Speaker 3: Call it. 235 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 1: Thank you all right, Urban Meyer, Yeah, the yeah. I 236 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 1: like Ohio State to win it. I think you know 237 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:12,720 Speaker 1: we we'll I'm telling you, Georgia, Indiana, Ohio State. That's 238 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 1: what it looks like to me. It's so crazy. Remember 239 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 1: when I came out and I said, if you're your, 240 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:22,480 Speaker 1: if you're USC, you have all the leverage. Notre Dame 241 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 1: needs you a lot more than you need them. By 242 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:28,839 Speaker 1: the way, the La Times Bill Plashke finally came out 243 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:31,640 Speaker 1: today and said, yeah that that Notre Dame game kept 244 00:12:31,679 --> 00:12:35,760 Speaker 1: us out of the playoff. Notre Dame is in a half. 245 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:39,160 Speaker 1: They have one foot in the pool on their schedule. 246 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 1: So go look at Notre Dame schedule next year. Not 247 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 1: any good USC. Next year it's play Indiana, Ohio State, Oregon, Washington. 248 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:51,079 Speaker 1: I think of Penn State. You don't need another game. 249 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:54,320 Speaker 1: I'll say it again, I'll triple it, I'll quadruple it. 250 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:57,040 Speaker 1: USC needs to go to Notre Dame and go we'll 251 00:12:57,040 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 1: play you every other year. The game has to be 252 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 1: done by October fifteenth. Where what every year we play? 253 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:08,840 Speaker 1: We're not playing in the cold every other year. And 254 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:11,120 Speaker 1: in fact, if I was USC. I'd say, not only 255 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 1: every other year, but two or three games in LA. Well, okay, 256 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 1: we don't need it. Okay, Okay, good luck to you 257 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 1: getting bounced out of the playoff again because you're playing 258 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:22,840 Speaker 1: Panera Bread. Well, which one has been to the playoff 259 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 1: more recently? 260 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 5: Us he hasn't been in year, doesn't matter what he doesn't. 261 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 1: This morning on Notre Dame needs USC. 262 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:31,880 Speaker 5: I mean, they just got job by the committee. The 263 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:34,839 Speaker 5: Good Old Boys Network hooked up Alabama. It's weird we 264 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:38,480 Speaker 5: keep talking about the Miami Notre Dame opener, right, we 265 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:41,079 Speaker 5: don't talk about the Alabama opener losing his double digit 266 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 5: favorites to Mighty FSU because that's not mentioned at all. 267 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:47,720 Speaker 1: It's so good because they came back and beat Georgia 268 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:48,960 Speaker 1: in Georgia. 269 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:51,320 Speaker 5: Okay, and then they lost another one to Oklahoma. They 270 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 5: lost three games. Did you see the stat? In the 271 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:57,520 Speaker 5: last three years, sixteen teams have lost their conference championship game. 272 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:01,960 Speaker 5: Fifteen of them dropped in the rankings afterwards. Only one 273 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 5: that didn't is Alabama. Because the committee's stocked full of 274 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:07,600 Speaker 5: sec homers or it's. 275 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:11,280 Speaker 1: The world's changed and we have a playoff now, so 276 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 1: we had a playoffs the last three years. My point is, 277 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 1: you gave me fifteen sixteen numbers. College football is pro 278 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 1: football now on campuses. It's a whole different motive. There's 279 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:26,000 Speaker 1: bulls don't matter, it's totally the playoffs are going to sixteen. 280 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:27,880 Speaker 1: You can pay high schoolers. 281 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 2: Go to twenty four. 282 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:29,560 Speaker 1: But whatever the number. 283 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:29,760 Speaker 4: Needs to be. 284 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 1: Thinking about this, the thing that used to be a 285 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:35,720 Speaker 1: death penalty in college sports paying a player, you now 286 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:39,600 Speaker 1: market it. You now leak it. Yeah, hey we paid 287 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 1: a high school or a million. The industry is flipped 288 00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:48,760 Speaker 1: and things stuff that was illegal and a death penalty. 289 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:51,640 Speaker 1: You are trying to market and promote that to the market. 290 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:53,480 Speaker 1: By the way, did you see that? Like a lot 291 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:55,360 Speaker 1: of it's not just Notre Dame saying no thanks to 292 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:57,680 Speaker 1: a ballgame. They are a lot of folks are saying, ah, 293 00:14:57,680 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 1: I don't need it. 294 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:01,440 Speaker 5: You know why if you're third string wide receiver, Pops, 295 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:04,360 Speaker 5: he's gonna go get offers in the portal. There's gonna 296 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:06,120 Speaker 5: be like, you know, other teams are gonna be like, 297 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:08,000 Speaker 5: hey we want this guy, will go give you money. 298 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:10,440 Speaker 5: And now you lost a player because you showcased him 299 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 5: in a bowl game. 300 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:15,320 Speaker 1: Does it mean anything. An exhibition game. Just end the 301 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 1: exhibition games. 302 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:16,960 Speaker 4: It's they're pointless. 303 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, Philadelphia Eagles will be discussed. I'm reading this. Staff 304 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:26,600 Speaker 1: just sent this. Alabama lost to a higher ranked Georgia 305 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:35,360 Speaker 1: team in the SEC championship game. Yeah, I'm not losing 306 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:36,840 Speaker 1: sleep on Bama in Texas out. 307 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 2: I mean, is anybody arguing for Texas well? 308 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 1: Texas beat Oklahoma, A and M game three games. I'm 309 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:49,920 Speaker 1: saying Texas had they hammered Oklahoma, they hammered Vandy, and 310 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 1: they dominated A and M, but did Notre Dame forgetting 311 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 1: Notre Dame. Forget no, no, no, forget Notre Dame. Texas 312 00:15:57,040 --> 00:16:01,320 Speaker 1: to me, has three wildly impressive. What about their losses? 313 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 1: I'm more into I say this. If you're good on 314 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:07,240 Speaker 1: the air, I don't care if you have a bad 315 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:11,280 Speaker 1: day occasionally, but when you're great, your great. Texas has 316 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:14,880 Speaker 1: days they've been great. Oh took hammer Oklahoma, hammer Vandy 317 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:18,600 Speaker 1: on their best days. Texas was a top five team. 318 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:20,200 Speaker 1: Everybody has bad days. 319 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:21,400 Speaker 2: That Oklahoma game is interesting. 320 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 4: I remember it. 321 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:24,680 Speaker 1: Matier was hurt. You kind of rushed back from the injury. 322 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:26,040 Speaker 2: I don't know how much that matter. 323 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 1: You watch the second half of that A and M 324 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 1: Longhorn game. Texas looked good in that one. Yeah good. 325 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:34,560 Speaker 1: They looked really good. They were fighting for their lives. Yeah, look, summer. 326 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:38,440 Speaker 1: Bottom line in life, I'm gonna judge most people on 327 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:41,320 Speaker 1: your highs. Can you deliver it a level that is 328 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:49,320 Speaker 1: above significantly good? Texas had really substantial saturdays. I'm not 329 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:53,840 Speaker 1: gonna punish my kids, my friends, my co workers for 330 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:56,240 Speaker 1: calling in sick or having a bad day. I don't 331 00:16:56,280 --> 00:16:58,960 Speaker 1: know what's going on. It's college kids. College kids have 332 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:02,160 Speaker 1: midterms and girls friends and breakups, and I mean, I 333 00:17:02,760 --> 00:17:05,640 Speaker 1: just I can't crush Texas because I lost to Florida. 334 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:06,440 Speaker 3: I can't. 335 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:11,399 Speaker 1: So who can you crush? Not getting on the phone 336 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:13,200 Speaker 1: and scheduling bigger games? 337 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:15,720 Speaker 5: Wait, that's out of their player's hands, like they should 338 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:16,280 Speaker 5: be determined. 339 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:19,639 Speaker 1: What it's not out of you know, coaches can say 340 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:22,359 Speaker 1: I want to play better teams. Texas got on the 341 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:24,560 Speaker 1: phone and said I'm gonna go to Columbus. Are you 342 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 1: crazy that they regret that? 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Turn on the news. 358 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:22,440 Speaker 2: This is the Herdline News. 359 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:26,840 Speaker 5: What a poor performance from Lamar Jackson, Colin and Ravens 360 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 5: played their way basically out of the playoffs with an 361 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:33,399 Speaker 5: awful defensive showing. They were just not crisp offensively. And 362 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:36,000 Speaker 5: it's been a minute, uh since the Ravens have really 363 00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:40,720 Speaker 5: looked great. Uh. Here's Lamar Jackson talking about some frustration 364 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:41,480 Speaker 5: after the game. 365 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:45,320 Speaker 7: How would you just kind of describe your level of 366 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:49,320 Speaker 7: pressuration at this point through the roof, we shouldn't. 367 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:50,679 Speaker 3: I feel like he's giving a game. 368 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:52,440 Speaker 4: We should have lost that game. You know it turned 369 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:56,879 Speaker 4: over was unfortunately, but this on his like, so I. 370 00:18:57,040 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 2: Know what, M not good? 371 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:03,119 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers outplayed him. Forty two year old Aaron Rodgers 372 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:03,760 Speaker 1: outplayed him. 373 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:05,480 Speaker 5: So I don't want to hear that Lamar's a two 374 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:07,320 Speaker 5: time MVP or in the first couple of weeks he 375 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:10,160 Speaker 5: was awesome. Right now, he's not a good quarterback. Colin 376 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:15,000 Speaker 5: since Week ten fifty five percent completions. Yeah, what I 377 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:16,680 Speaker 5: don't know. I mean, I asked you during the break, 378 00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:19,520 Speaker 5: is this the is this? Have we already seen the 379 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:20,399 Speaker 5: best Lamar Jackson? 380 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:23,600 Speaker 1: Well? Is it all downhill from here? I tend to 381 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:27,000 Speaker 1: believe he's not one hundred percent healthy people, you know, listen, 382 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:31,000 Speaker 1: there's a lot of reasons quarterbacks. They can lose a 383 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:33,920 Speaker 1: coordinator or like Herbert this year, you lose your tackles, 384 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:37,720 Speaker 1: you play tougher teams. I mean, it's not totally linear, 385 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:40,879 Speaker 1: but the drop. The one thing the eye test is 386 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 1: he doesn't have the juice or the burst he had 387 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:46,480 Speaker 1: last year. He just doesn't. So did he get slow? 388 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:49,480 Speaker 1: Has he taken too many shots? He's not a huge guy, 389 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:51,520 Speaker 1: like a like a big Banner a cam or a 390 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:54,040 Speaker 1: Josh Allen. But it doesn't look like he's the same now. 391 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:57,160 Speaker 1: He and Zay Flowers, he and Mark Andrews have good relationship. 392 00:19:57,760 --> 00:19:59,320 Speaker 1: I think they should have won the game yesterday. I 393 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:02,800 Speaker 1: still don't white understand the touchdown the gate in the 394 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:07,400 Speaker 1: end zone, although I read the ruling rule book. Yeah, 395 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:09,520 Speaker 1: but I mean I I just tend to trust the 396 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:12,720 Speaker 1: Ravens to figure it out. So, just like college football, 397 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:15,320 Speaker 1: let's let the season play out. Everybody's bailed on the Eagles. 398 00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:17,359 Speaker 1: What if they come out tonight and win by two touchdowns? 399 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:18,080 Speaker 4: They probably will? 400 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:19,160 Speaker 1: Uh? 401 00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:22,679 Speaker 5: Are you ready for an NFL playoffs without Joe Burrow, 402 00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 5: Patrick Mahomes or Lamar Jackson Because I. 403 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:27,520 Speaker 1: Was told they are. They're sticking around for the next decade. 404 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:29,720 Speaker 5: They're going to rule the roost. 405 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:32,679 Speaker 1: And that shows you how great Brady is. Like Brady, 406 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:35,480 Speaker 1: I mean, I think there's a stat out there that 407 00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:38,639 Speaker 1: I think, I think this is it. Brady never played 408 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:42,200 Speaker 1: a football game as a professional football player, not one 409 00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:47,840 Speaker 1: where his team was mathematically eliminated from the playoffs whole career. 410 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:51,400 Speaker 1: So I mean, again, what separates Brady from everybody. Isn't 411 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:56,200 Speaker 1: just the trophies. Tom was in a playoff race, either 412 00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:59,680 Speaker 1: making it or in it to the final whistle every 413 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:00,560 Speaker 1: game of his career. 414 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 5: We need to revisit the goat debate. 415 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:06,239 Speaker 1: Brady's on the show Thursday in studio. Hey, don't get 416 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:08,080 Speaker 1: greedy shit, all right? 417 00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:10,520 Speaker 5: Next up, Colin listen. I got to defend my guy 418 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:14,080 Speaker 5: JJ McCarthy. He's been awful this season, but whoa wait, 419 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:17,399 Speaker 5: he was cooking yesterday three touchdowns, completed seventy percent of 420 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:20,720 Speaker 5: his passes. You know, I get that. You know Washington 421 00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:23,639 Speaker 5: has a CFL caliber defense. But the Vikings snapped a 422 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:26,000 Speaker 5: three game losing streak, and you always know if a 423 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:28,120 Speaker 5: team gets shut out, bet on them. The next week, 424 00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:29,640 Speaker 5: Vikings an easy win. 425 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:33,280 Speaker 1: Yeah and cover. This was a game that I it 426 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:35,120 Speaker 1: was my one of my favorite bats of the week. 427 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:37,520 Speaker 1: You talked me into it, did my homework until Jayden 428 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:39,160 Speaker 1: Daniels was going to play for the record. 429 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 5: Do you see him get dinged up again? That's a 430 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 5: great question. I was like sparring with some Washington beat report, 431 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:45,800 Speaker 5: like what are you doing? He is he playing? I 432 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:49,080 Speaker 5: don't get it. You're eliminated from the playoffs. He's hurt, 433 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:51,080 Speaker 5: He's not one hundred percent. You want a third injury 434 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:51,400 Speaker 5: this year? 435 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:52,200 Speaker 1: Hurt again? 436 00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:57,000 Speaker 5: Dan Quinn like, what do you doing? Just play Mariota, 437 00:21:57,040 --> 00:21:58,919 Speaker 5: you're not now. The argument is he's young, you need 438 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:01,639 Speaker 5: to snaps. Oh really, well he didn't look like he 439 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:04,920 Speaker 5: needed steps last year the championship game. 440 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 4: All right. 441 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:06,960 Speaker 1: J Mack with the news. 442 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:10,360 Speaker 2: Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the 443 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:11,440 Speaker 2: Herd line. 444 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:13,520 Speaker 1: John and Eagles with a young man who covers them. 445 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:19,080 Speaker 2: Next, be sure to catch live editions of the Herd 446 00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:21,680 Speaker 2: weekdays and Noone Easter not a em Pacific. 447 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:25,000 Speaker 1: It's not a home game, but they'll probably be a 448 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:29,080 Speaker 1: fifty five sixty swing. Philadelphia Eagles are in town against 449 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:31,440 Speaker 1: the Chargers tonight, which is a great Monday night football game. 450 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:35,000 Speaker 1: Brooks Cabina is the Eagles beat writer for The Athletic. 451 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:38,680 Speaker 1: By the way, he has covered the Houston Texans LSU football, 452 00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:41,600 Speaker 1: so he knows, he knows passionate fan bases. Now he 453 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:46,600 Speaker 1: covers the Eagles, so you know, I've always felt Sirianni 454 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:49,800 Speaker 1: is a motivator, kind of a CEO, a little bit 455 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:54,920 Speaker 1: coordinator dependent McVeigh, Andy Reid Shanahan, maybe Demico Ryans maybe 456 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:58,400 Speaker 1: not as coordinator dependent in terms of Demiko runs the defense. 457 00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 1: I mean you know that you were, you know, but 458 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:03,919 Speaker 1: I do think Nick there is something what's it like 459 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:06,480 Speaker 1: to cover Nick? That there is something that works in 460 00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:09,359 Speaker 1: that locker room, even though I feel like he is 461 00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:12,080 Speaker 1: sort of depending on who's calling plays. 462 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:14,920 Speaker 7: Yeah, he does have offensive principles. He is an offensive 463 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:17,920 Speaker 7: mind coach covering him the last couple of years, I mean, 464 00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:21,679 Speaker 7: there are things that he really believes in and to 465 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:25,080 Speaker 7: see the coordinators over the last three years I started 466 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:27,399 Speaker 7: covering where Brian Johnson was there than Kellen Moore to 467 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 7: this the things that he really operates on. Things that 468 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:32,960 Speaker 7: I noticed that the organization likes about him is that 469 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:36,320 Speaker 7: he's able to manage things from the top down, make 470 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:39,720 Speaker 7: sure the process is working, whether that's how things are scheduled, 471 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:41,879 Speaker 7: how coaches are using their time, what they need to 472 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:45,199 Speaker 7: vote their time to, and his principles that he's had 473 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:48,160 Speaker 7: from the offense in his career. He comes in and 474 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:51,720 Speaker 7: make sure that these things are being addressed and the 475 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:54,320 Speaker 7: play callers, which are interesting. Last year Kellen Moore, if 476 00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:56,399 Speaker 7: you look at the way the offense was run, that 477 00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:58,879 Speaker 7: was very different for what Kellen Moore was used to too. 478 00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:01,080 Speaker 7: They were running the ball more than the Eagles had 479 00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:03,399 Speaker 7: since the seventies, so like that was different than what 480 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:05,560 Speaker 7: Kellen Moore does. I would say that's also to Nick 481 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:08,480 Speaker 7: Sirianni's credit. They're making sure that they're all operating and 482 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:10,000 Speaker 7: looking at what they need to do with the players 483 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:10,320 Speaker 7: that they. 484 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:11,480 Speaker 4: Have this year. 485 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:14,720 Speaker 7: What's different is that as soon as Kellen Moore left, 486 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:17,879 Speaker 7: you were looking at a coach who was looking for 487 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:22,680 Speaker 7: another situation. Kellen Moore had had experience as a play caller, yeah, 488 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:26,080 Speaker 7: and Kevin Pittulo did not, so they were latent to 489 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:28,760 Speaker 7: the process. There was a lot of scrutiny around that decision, 490 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:31,359 Speaker 7: but he trusted him because of all the time that 491 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:31,920 Speaker 7: they had shared. 492 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:34,560 Speaker 4: He'd been around for all those things. And it hasn't 493 00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:35,480 Speaker 4: worked out quite yet. 494 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:38,240 Speaker 7: So right now, that's a lot of the question about 495 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:43,359 Speaker 7: Nick Sirianni is how dependable is his process, How dependable 496 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:46,240 Speaker 7: is his offensive choices of who he decides to let 497 00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:48,000 Speaker 7: run those meetings, call those plays, all of that. 498 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:49,520 Speaker 4: He's sticking to all of that right. 499 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:52,239 Speaker 7: Now, and right now it's on pace to be the 500 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:54,920 Speaker 7: least efficient offense that he's had since he's been there, 501 00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:57,480 Speaker 7: and sticking with the process for the rest of the year. 502 00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:00,560 Speaker 7: With Kevin Toole making plays, we'll see if they're able 503 00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:00,840 Speaker 7: to get. 504 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:01,359 Speaker 3: Out of that rut. 505 00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:04,800 Speaker 1: Brooks Kabina for the radio audience, Eagles beat writer for 506 00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:07,879 Speaker 1: The Athletic, formerly covered the Texans and LSU football. So 507 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:11,000 Speaker 1: you know in baseball there's these you go to the postseason, 508 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:13,760 Speaker 1: you come back and spring there's arm fatigue. I've said 509 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:16,840 Speaker 1: with Saquon Barkley, is it o line injuries? Is it 510 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:19,920 Speaker 1: all the carries fatigue? It's hard for these running backs. 511 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,280 Speaker 1: It's the last position in football. You can hit it anytime, 512 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:25,840 Speaker 1: anywhere from any position or is it play calling? Everybody 513 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:29,040 Speaker 1: wants to know what happened to Saquon? What is it? 514 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:29,960 Speaker 4: It's a lot of things. 515 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:32,040 Speaker 7: You look at the offensive line, they've been banged up 516 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:35,800 Speaker 7: sometimes and that's not just being out of games. Cam Jurgen's, 517 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:38,200 Speaker 7: Lennon Dickerson. Both of those guys have dealt with some 518 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:41,480 Speaker 7: injuries that they've played through. But Lane Johnson being out 519 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:43,920 Speaker 7: at right tackle, that's a big thing for the offense line. 520 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:46,240 Speaker 7: But even whenever he was there, they were struggling running 521 00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:48,880 Speaker 7: the ball and you look at the yard before contact 522 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:51,359 Speaker 7: for Saquon Barky. Those are down this year, and you 523 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:52,720 Speaker 7: look at this time with the Giants, that was a 524 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:54,879 Speaker 7: lot of things that he hadn't managed, like making plays 525 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:55,800 Speaker 7: out of what you've got. 526 00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:57,040 Speaker 4: And they've tried a lot. 527 00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:58,840 Speaker 7: Of different things throughout the year, whether that's trying to 528 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:02,440 Speaker 7: run inside, outside and concepts using fullbacks. 529 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:03,040 Speaker 4: They lost their. 530 00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:04,560 Speaker 7: Fullback on the first snap of the year this year, 531 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:06,720 Speaker 7: and they've tried to use tight ends. You see concepts 532 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:09,760 Speaker 7: where twelve personnel multiple tight ends and the tight ends 533 00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:11,280 Speaker 7: aren't blocking really well. A lot of the things that 534 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:14,040 Speaker 7: they try just aren't working. One of the number one 535 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:16,879 Speaker 7: things that you see is Jalen Hurts is less involved 536 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:17,520 Speaker 7: in the run game. 537 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:21,480 Speaker 4: It's the least he's my design, it seems. 538 00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:24,359 Speaker 7: To be, and it seems to be you think about 539 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:27,920 Speaker 7: and Jalen's been asked about this several times. I've asked 540 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,840 Speaker 7: him about it. Every year going into the playoffs. He's 541 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:33,080 Speaker 7: managed some sort of injury and that comes out of 542 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:34,320 Speaker 7: a lot of the contact. 543 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:34,879 Speaker 4: That he gets as a runner. 544 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:37,560 Speaker 7: But he has said multiple times that he's open to 545 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 7: whatever they have to do. And you look at a 546 00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:43,200 Speaker 7: game like the Chicago Bears, where they were struggling offensively 547 00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:45,440 Speaker 7: and all of a sudden he get a designed quarterback 548 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:48,239 Speaker 7: run and that leads immediately to the touchdown. Past day 549 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:51,280 Speaker 7: j Brown, I'm expecting to see more of that at 550 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:53,720 Speaker 7: the end of the as the year progresses, because last 551 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:56,720 Speaker 7: year the reason why Sacmon Barkley well, not the reason, 552 00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:59,000 Speaker 7: but one of the reasons is Jalen Hursts was playing 553 00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:01,240 Speaker 7: off from so much. K One said that himself a lot, 554 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:04,120 Speaker 7: using the zone read concepts, using the quarterback runs, making 555 00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:06,640 Speaker 7: sure the defense is spread out and doesn't know what's there. 556 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:09,119 Speaker 7: It's not that Jalen Hurts hasn't run. I think he's 557 00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:12,560 Speaker 7: up to about eighty rushes outside of touch pushes. But 558 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:15,240 Speaker 7: that's one of the reasons out of many that they've 559 00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:17,200 Speaker 7: tried to figure out to get this run game going, 560 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:20,480 Speaker 7: and without that, penalties are involved to the most false 561 00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:22,800 Speaker 7: starts they've had in the Syriani era. The most penalty 562 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:25,080 Speaker 7: is all overall as an offense, and. 563 00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:26,200 Speaker 1: That set them back. 564 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:28,120 Speaker 7: So you see these second and third down situations where 565 00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:31,400 Speaker 7: running the ball doesn't make quite much sense, but they're 566 00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:33,160 Speaker 7: not putting themselves in good positions. 567 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:33,560 Speaker 4: Some of the. 568 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:36,639 Speaker 7: Concepts they're using aren't working. It's a wholesale thing. At 569 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:37,000 Speaker 7: this point. 570 00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:39,200 Speaker 4: You've heard me Serenni addressed as such. 571 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:42,959 Speaker 1: Seasons over, win a Super Bowl or not? Is AJ 572 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:45,600 Speaker 1: Brown coming back? In your opinion? I mean it feels 573 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:49,240 Speaker 1: a little noisy for you know, Listen, Philadelphia is the 574 00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:51,000 Speaker 1: one team in the league that could win a Super 575 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:55,360 Speaker 1: Bowl with noise. The talk radio is loud, the domb Sirian. 576 00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:59,359 Speaker 1: It's a loud, passionate fan but it's the most unique 577 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:03,879 Speaker 1: fan base, the harshest in the league. It's the hardest 578 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:07,520 Speaker 1: place to coach. Bill Parcel said, there's Philly and everybody else. 579 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:11,399 Speaker 1: AJ Brown seems a tad noisy. Do you think long term? 580 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:14,040 Speaker 1: I mean, let's your gut feeling on back next year 581 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:14,240 Speaker 1: or not. 582 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:18,399 Speaker 7: My gut feeling is I hesitate to reach on that 583 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:21,400 Speaker 7: because I just don't know. It could go either way. 584 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:24,199 Speaker 7: It seems to be a situation where AJ Brown. I 585 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:25,880 Speaker 7: talked to him at the very beginning of the year. 586 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:27,359 Speaker 7: I wanted to get to know because over the off 587 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:29,080 Speaker 7: season after the Super Bowl, he was talking a lot 588 00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:31,320 Speaker 7: about fulfillment and what that meant for him and how 589 00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:34,080 Speaker 7: the Super Bowl didn't do that for him justify a 590 00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:36,560 Speaker 7: lot of his work, and I found him all athletes 591 00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:38,680 Speaker 7: to a certain extent like this, but he really does 592 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:41,840 Speaker 7: justify himself through his work through the on field. There's 593 00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:43,080 Speaker 7: a lot of reasons for that in his life. I 594 00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:44,720 Speaker 7: wrote a story on that. You can find that easily 595 00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:49,360 Speaker 7: on Google and such. But the way that this offense 596 00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:51,880 Speaker 7: is set up here this year, he has not been 597 00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:53,480 Speaker 7: getting the ball in a lot of situations that he 598 00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:56,840 Speaker 7: normally did and some of the things that defenses are 599 00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:58,840 Speaker 7: doing to them, they're struggling against zone. 600 00:28:58,960 --> 00:28:59,720 Speaker 4: Some of the things that A J. 601 00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:01,960 Speaker 7: Brown does, Well, you have a one on one guy 602 00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:04,400 Speaker 7: that can kill one man on man matchups that's not 603 00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:08,680 Speaker 7: happening as often. And the frustration that comes out of that. 604 00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:11,880 Speaker 7: He's dealt with that in his own way. You've seen 605 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:14,680 Speaker 7: that managed throughout the locker room. My impression is a 606 00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:16,920 Speaker 7: lot of guys to understand what he's going through. And 607 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:19,240 Speaker 7: it's kind of like you hear your friends say it 608 00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:22,520 Speaker 7: over and over and over and then and over, a 609 00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:24,680 Speaker 7: lot of people just start talking. Rememb talking to DeVante 610 00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:26,360 Speaker 7: Smith at his locker which is right next to him, 611 00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:29,080 Speaker 7: and the social media post that he's put out He's 612 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:30,240 Speaker 7: just like, I'm in my own business. 613 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:31,040 Speaker 4: I don't even look at that. 614 00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:34,120 Speaker 7: So the rest of the players, they're they're letting Aj 615 00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:35,280 Speaker 7: work through AJA things. 616 00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:37,240 Speaker 4: And I think that's Nick Sirey on his credit too. 617 00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:38,880 Speaker 4: As he's managing all this, you start seeing a. 618 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:40,960 Speaker 7: Lot of the smoke and fire that comes out of 619 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:42,720 Speaker 7: the social media world. 620 00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:44,840 Speaker 4: Honestly, for Philly, that's not that much. 621 00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:47,680 Speaker 7: And if you have a star player who's tweeting or 622 00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:50,640 Speaker 7: going on Twitch and talking to his friends about how 623 00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,600 Speaker 7: his emotions are going, you could get a lot worse. 624 00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:57,440 Speaker 7: But to go into the off season, to your question, 625 00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:02,080 Speaker 7: it's really about how he feels where things are going, 626 00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:04,520 Speaker 7: where they clearly do not want to trade him this 627 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:07,840 Speaker 7: year did and I can't see a situation we're going forward. 628 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:10,760 Speaker 7: You have this GM and howid Roseman who moved heaven 629 00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:12,640 Speaker 7: and Earth to get wide receivers into his building. 630 00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:14,080 Speaker 4: He's not going to part with that easily. 631 00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:15,920 Speaker 7: So they have to have a plan beyond that, and 632 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:19,360 Speaker 7: I just don't see a plan right now to replace 633 00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:21,400 Speaker 7: a guy that has done so much for them. And 634 00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:24,280 Speaker 7: they could fix things as the offense goes, and whether 635 00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:26,360 Speaker 7: that's with Kevin Detole. 636 00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:27,240 Speaker 4: Or not, going forward. 637 00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:29,080 Speaker 7: So a lot of questions have to get to that 638 00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:31,160 Speaker 7: point where you decide whether aj Brown is going to 639 00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:32,000 Speaker 7: be in filing next year. 640 00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:35,840 Speaker 1: Thirty seconds, Jalen hurts, what'd you like to cover him? 641 00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:39,360 Speaker 7: I'm from Houston, he's from Channel for you. I've actually 642 00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:41,120 Speaker 7: known him going back to my high school years. 643 00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:43,640 Speaker 4: He's the same. He's just just. 644 00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:45,240 Speaker 7: Kind of a guy who put on the night's armor 645 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:46,680 Speaker 7: and never took it off. He goes to bed with it, 646 00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:48,520 Speaker 7: wakes up with it. You know, you talk to him, 647 00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:51,120 Speaker 7: he's you know, stoic, and it gives you all the 648 00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:51,960 Speaker 7: serious answers. 649 00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:54,760 Speaker 4: He's one of the things. 650 00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:56,520 Speaker 7: I read his story on him last year going into 651 00:30:56,560 --> 00:31:00,000 Speaker 7: the playoffs, and I know, just a guy that's all 652 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,920 Speaker 7: always calling people, calling the head coaches off off. He's 653 00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:05,880 Speaker 7: he last week he dated back, he said he was 654 00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:08,080 Speaker 7: looking back at film, back to high school. 655 00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:11,840 Speaker 4: Even he's just relent with he's committed and all of that. 656 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:13,040 Speaker 4: And he's a little bit. 657 00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:16,720 Speaker 7: Uh you know, uh quiet, and the walls up a 658 00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:17,160 Speaker 7: lot of times. 659 00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:18,479 Speaker 4: So it's hard to get that which win you're there. 660 00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:19,240 Speaker 4: There is substance. 661 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:23,320 Speaker 1: Brooks Cabina look it up. Eagles writer, The Athletic great stuff, 662 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,120 Speaker 1: nice job. We'll see you tomorrow.