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Speaker 2: Well, folks, Today we are talking about one of the

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Speaker 2: most beloved comedies of the early aughts. A film a

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Speaker 2: ton of generation important facial expressions like blue steel and magnum,

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Speaker 2: A film that dared to.

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Speaker 2: A film that showed us that sometimes all you need

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Speaker 2: to sort through important issues is say with me, Heigel

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Speaker 2: orange Mochao. You didn't say it, you mouthed it, which

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Speaker 1: Well, folks.

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Speaker 2: Of course, we are talking about Zoolander, a film that

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Speaker 2: follows the ups and downs of two ridiculously handsome men

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Speaker 2: just like us.

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Speaker 1: I can't lie.

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Speaker 2: This is one of the movies that I just sort

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Speaker 2: of absorbed through osmosis as a kid, and you know,

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Speaker 2: I watched bits and pieces of it at parties or sleepovers,

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Speaker 2: and I heard lines from it repeated ad nauseum in school,

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Speaker 2: and you know, I think I just sort of lumped

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Speaker 2: it in with all those other kind of similar comedies

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Speaker 2: from that era that were just sort of silly. But

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Speaker 2: somehow a disproportionate number of people in my life never

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Speaker 2: grew out of quoting this movie. And I'm talking about

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Speaker 2: like some serious snobs I know, and clearly so many

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Speaker 2: people have a real spot for this movie, which makes

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Speaker 2: me really happy, and that made me decide to revisit

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Speaker 2: it recently, and you know, I was won over by

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Speaker 2: its charms.

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Speaker 1: Some twenty plus years later.

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Speaker 2: Now, we've had this topic requested on many occasions, but

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Speaker 2: I'm setting this one out to a very very dear friend.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to embarrass him, so I will just

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Speaker 2: call whom sir duke.

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Speaker 1: He knows who he is.

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Speaker 2: He and his beautiful, talented and kind wife just became parents,

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Speaker 2: and so I hope this keeps some company during the

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Speaker 2: insane hours I'm sure they're keeping.

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Speaker 1: And also I'm a jerk.

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Speaker 2: I haven't gotten a baby present yet, so I'll do

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Speaker 2: better than this episode soon. Not only see a new father,

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Speaker 2: he's also a musician, so his hours are extra crazy

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Speaker 2: in addition to raising a newborn. And while I'm on

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Speaker 2: the subject, folks, if you're in the New England area

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Speaker 2: or event, please look no further than Legends of Summer.

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Speaker 2: I can say from personal experience they are the best around.

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Speaker 2: Google them, check them out. They are amazing. Not that

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Speaker 2: they need the plug. I'm sure they've booked well into

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Speaker 2: next year, but anyway, this one's for Duke. Back to Zoolander, Heigel,

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Speaker 2: what do you think of this movie?

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Speaker 1: It's great. You know, I'm not really sure where Stiller

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Speaker 1: like at one sitting, and I was just blown away

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Speaker 2: Know, it reminds me a lot of another comedy aut

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Speaker 2: think you compared him in these special Features when we're

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Speaker 1: Ben Stiller's face just goes blank and he's like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: he get results except for Zulander. Two.

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Speaker 2: Well, I was watching the Conan O'Brien episode of Inside

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Speaker 2: he's talking about how comedians react differently to jokes than

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's funny. That's that's the funniest thing I've ever heard.

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Speaker 2: And it's like it's very it's scientific almost.

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Speaker 2: And the one fact that I wasn't able to shoehorn

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Speaker 2: for it. Apparently the earth to you know, Earth to

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Speaker 2: whoever bits that Zulander does with his with his roommates,

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Speaker 2: on for like an interminable amount of time, like four

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Speaker 2: an early cut of the movie had that because Ben

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Speaker 2: Stiller just thought it was the funniest thing in the

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Speaker 2: And there's that great comedy rule where it's like something's

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Speaker 2: But yeah, the whole notion of comedy being this scientific

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Speaker 2: Well, from the VH one sketch that led to its creation,

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Speaker 2: soundtrack to The Gasoline Fight, to the legendary American author

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Speaker 2: who sued the production for plagiarism, to the controversial actor

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Speaker 2: who nearly played the villainous Mugatu. Here is everything you

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Speaker 2: didn't know about Zoolander.

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Speaker 1: Wow, what you said. It's really one of the old

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Speaker 1: time ridiculous character names. It is. I never stopped laughing

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Speaker 2: Well, we'll talk about where that name came from. The

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Speaker 2: character of Derek Zulander predates the movie.

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Speaker 1: By a good five years. He made his debut in

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Speaker 1: From away from that era. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So the bones of Zulander, the character is, in Ben

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Speaker 1: of non acting handsomeness. Yeah, scowling, pouting. Yeah, okay, I guess.

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Speaker 2: But the name Zulander was borrowed from real life male

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Speaker 1: like another ten minutes? Of taping, like how those names

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Speaker 2: But yeah, so Zoolander first appears while being interviewed for

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Speaker 1: Which did you've watch that? It's on YouTube.

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Speaker 2: You can see both these sketches and it's really funny.

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Speaker 1: No, I didn't actually watch this one. Yeah, it's really

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Speaker 2: Material for both of these sketches were ultimately used in

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there are some great lines in that.

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Speaker 2: The Aborigines have a saying that taking a picture steals

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Speaker 2: your soul. Well, let me ask you a question, how

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Speaker 2: many Aborigines do you see modeling?

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Speaker 1: Not many? Did that make it in.

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Speaker 2: The final movie? I forget, I don't know. I spent

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Speaker 2: hours working on my walk. If I'm walking for ARMANI

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Speaker 2: that's great. I've walked over a thousand runways in my career.

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Speaker 2: That's giving me nothing, giving me nothing bark like a seal.

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Speaker 2: In these early sketches, zoo Lander demonstrates the look that

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Speaker 2: his iconic blue steel look, which he says he saves

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Speaker 2: He says that he had no idea that this look

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Speaker 2: Bowie sent Ricky his version of a fan email which

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Speaker 2: read I watched, I laughed, what do I do now?

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Speaker 1: dB?

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Speaker 2: And Ricky Gervais was a David Bowie super fan. I mean,

436
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Speaker 2: I just I love it when people grow up and

437
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Speaker 2: become famous and they retain their fandom, and then they

438
00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:40,480
Speaker 2: get to meet their fans and they turn into like

439
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Speaker 2: teenagers all over again.

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Speaker 1: I love that.

441
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Speaker 2: So Ricky Gervays was thrilled that his hero, you know,

442
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Speaker 2: acknowledged him and actually liked his art, which I just

443
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Speaker 2: find so cute. And the really weird thing was, apparently,

444
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Speaker 2: according to Ricky at least the day that he received

445
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Speaker 2: this email from Bowie, he'd just gotten back from I

446
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Speaker 2: guess he'd lost or scratched his CDCs of a Laddin, saying,

447
00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:03,119
Speaker 2: so we just got home from buying a new one,

448
00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:07,840
Speaker 2: which I find really weird and cute. So anyway, as

449
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Speaker 2: the friendship solidified, Ricky eventually plucked up the courage to

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Speaker 2: ask Bowie if.

451
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Speaker 1: He wanted to be in his new series extras in

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Speaker 1: two thousand and six two thousand and seven.

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Speaker 2: So perverting his hero worship, he cast Bowie as himself,

454
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Speaker 2: but an especially mean version of himself, and he meets

455
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Speaker 2: Ricky's character who's this hapless d lister, and in Bowie's

456
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Speaker 2: inspired to write a song on the spot about him,

457
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Speaker 2: called Stupid Little Fat Man. And Ricky wrote the lyrics himself,

458
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Speaker 2: and he sent them to Bowie and asked him to

459
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Speaker 2: put his own tune to it. And the request was

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Speaker 2: something retro, you know, like Life on Mars, and Bowie

461
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Speaker 2: replied sarcastically, Oh yeah, sure, I'll just whip up a

462
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Speaker 2: quick Life on Mars for you, huh. And Ricky of

463
00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:51,680
Speaker 2: course appreciated the absurdity of the suggestion, and they both

464
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Speaker 2: burst into laughter.

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Speaker 1: But yeah. The scene is to me one of my

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Speaker 1: favorite moments in Bowie's career, non music category. As they lead,

467
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Speaker 1: you know, as he leads this pub through choruses of

468
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Speaker 1: little fat Man, of the pug nosed face.

469
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Speaker 2: Well, Ricky Gervai's character looks on mortified. It's so good.

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Speaker 2: Check it out. It's extras sname of the show.

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Speaker 1: But fatty little fat.

472
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Speaker 3: Man, No one's bloody laughing the clown that no one laughs.

473
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Speaker 1: They all just wish he died.

474
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Speaker 3: He sold his soul for a short and fame catch

475
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Speaker 3: phrasing Wigan. The jokes are name, He's got no style,

476
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Speaker 3: he's got no grace. He's banana facile. He's a fat

477
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Speaker 3: ways of space. Yeah yeah, everybody's singing that last line

478
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Speaker 3: one two three, He's banana facade. He's a fat waist

479
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Speaker 3: of space. See his pub no space pop okay se.

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Speaker 1: Great piano playing. I was gonna say, yeah, it's like

481
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Speaker 1: really anyway, So I love that.

482
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Speaker 2: I love that and also David Bowie. He reprised the

483
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Speaker 2: song on stage in May of two thousand and seven,

484
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Speaker 2: when David introduced Ricky Gervais at Madison Square Garden for

485
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Speaker 2: his American stand up debut, which technically is Bowie's last

486
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Speaker 2: ever musical performance. Oh God, or a public performance, I

487
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:26,119
Speaker 2: should say, many fans conveniently forget this. They think that

488
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Speaker 2: it was a year earlier at some other fashion event. Actually,

489
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Speaker 2: I think it might have even been a VH one

490
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Speaker 2: fashion event where he did he duetit with Alicia Keys

491
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Speaker 2: on changes, I believe. But technically the last song that

492
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Speaker 2: he ever sang in public was a stupid little Fat

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Speaker 2: Man with the pug nose face for Ricky Gervais, which.

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Speaker 1: Would you say is lovely? Would you say that? There's

495
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Speaker 1: not a lot of people know that? Not a lot

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Speaker 1: of people know that?

497
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Speaker 2: Can you?

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Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know if I ever heard your

499
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Speaker 1: Michael Kaine. It's just a bit from the Trip, that's

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Speaker 1: the only that's just like the I still kick it

501
00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:03,080
Speaker 1: over A goodyearse Sean Connery was. I was listening back

502
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Speaker 1: to arm again the other day. I'm just very impressed

503
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Speaker 1: with it. Oh, I love you know. The other one

504
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Speaker 1: I love doing is Dragonheart, the Dragon movie. I am

505
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Speaker 1: the lashed one. Ah. He rings some real pathos out

506
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Speaker 1: of that movie, yea, because he's talking about yeah, but

507
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Speaker 1: it's not good. I am the lash one um. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: as Ben Stiller told Hollywood dot Com, David Bowie, literally,

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Speaker 1: we just came up with the idea of who would

510
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Speaker 1: be funny to judge this walk off Bowie with his

511
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Speaker 1: song fashion personified that we put it in the script

512
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Speaker 1: and sent it to him and he actually said, yes,

513
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Speaker 1: that was one of those out of the blue things.

514
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Speaker 1: Bowie himself had this to say about it. It was

515
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Speaker 1: just too funny a script to walk past. An absolute hoot,

516
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Speaker 1: which is a very Bowe sentiment. I'm working on a

517
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Speaker 1: Bowie one, but it's actually all from It's actually all

518
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Speaker 1: of that video I sent you of him doing with Brian,

519
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,359
Speaker 1: you know in the studio. Oh the cartoon. Yeah, that

520
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:06,720
Speaker 1: lives in my head forever. I rivetaally depressing piece of music, Brian.

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Speaker 1: I don't like the concords. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

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Speaker 1: Jermaine does a really good one. While live tweeting about

523
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Speaker 1: the movie, Ben admitted that everyone on the set was

524
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Speaker 1: in shock that Bowie was there to do this cameo,

525
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Speaker 1: and he made such an impression that they went out

526
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Speaker 1: of their way to dedicate some words to him. At

527
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Speaker 1: the premiere of the Sadly Woefully misbegotten sequel, Zulander two

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Speaker 1: in February of twenty sixteen, just a month after Bowie died.

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Speaker 2: I think that's the last time we will mention Zoo

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Speaker 2: Learner too in this episode.

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Speaker 1: As you meditate on that, we'll be right back with

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Speaker 1: more too much information after these messages. Well, let's get

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Speaker 1: on to green er pastors here. David Ducovney, Yeah, speaking

534
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Speaker 1: of Gene Hackman an Enemy of the State, as we

535
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Speaker 1: so often do.

536
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:09,359
Speaker 2: The look of former hand model JP Pruitt played by

537
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Speaker 2: David du Cooveney, was based on Jane's look in Enemy

538
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Speaker 2: of the State. Apparently hence the bald cap again. Ohen

539
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Speaker 2: Wilson loves paying tribute to his former co stars. I

540
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Speaker 2: guess this is one of my favorite scenes in Zulander

541
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Speaker 2: because it features the immortal but Why Male Models bit,

542
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:31,480
Speaker 2: where Zulander asks why male models are being approached to

543
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Speaker 2: become assassins to tick out the Prime Minister of Malaysia

544
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Speaker 2: and the first time he asked the question. David du

545
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Speaker 2: Coveny's character be gives him a long involved answer, to

546
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Speaker 2: which Soulander considers before responding, but why male Models?

547
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Speaker 1: It's one of the great all time ad Moobs. Yeah,

548
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:52,800
Speaker 1: this exchange was apparently not in the script. Again, you

549
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:54,960
Speaker 1: can almost tell it's way too funny to be something

550
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 1: that was ever written down it. Ben Stiller legitimately forgot

551
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Speaker 1: his line, and so he just asked the question again,

552
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:04,480
Speaker 1: and David Ducoveney just riffed with them, and it was

553
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 1: so funny that they kept it in. Stiller explained the

554
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 1: entire story and I read at am, so I literally

555
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 1: was listening with David Ducoveney said, and I honestly forgot.

556
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Speaker 1: I hadn't followed what he was saying.

557
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 2: I said it again, and I got my lines wrong,

558
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 2: and David, it was a very funny guy improvised, are

559
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Speaker 2: you serious?

560
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Speaker 1: I just explained that, did you know that David Ducoveney.

561
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Speaker 2: Went to a private school in Manhattan where he was

562
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Speaker 2: a classmate of JFK juniors?

563
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Speaker 1: I didn't. I wonder how long it's going to take

564
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 1: for him to get into roped into QAnon.

565
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Speaker 2: I was just thinking that, Yeah, do you remember the song?

566
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Speaker 2: It might have just been a local Boston musician. I'm

567
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:42,320
Speaker 2: not sure, but I remember it was played a lot

568
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 2: on like the independent radio stations near me growing up.

569
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Speaker 2: A song called David du Coveney, Why don't You Love Me?

570
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 2: It was like released at the height of X Files mania. No. Yeah,

571
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 2: it was just this like woman's like like a fan

572
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:57,000
Speaker 2: song to David du Coveney, but it was actually like

573
00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 2: pretty catchy. I'm trying to remember who sang it breeze something,

574
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 2: but yeah, it's a in the chorus is David the Coveny,

575
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Speaker 2: Why don't you love Me? I'm gonna kill Scully. Oh,

576
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Speaker 2: speaking of Jody Foster, what were we talking about that

577
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 2: or was that before the Yeah, that was before the

578
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 2: tape is rolling. Oh, and now we head over to

579
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 2: Will Ferrell as Jackobam. Mugatu mcgatty's name was originally gonna

580
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Speaker 2: be mcquicken, supposedly a reference to the late British designer

581
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Speaker 2: Alexander McQueen, but that was later changed to Mugatu, which

582
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 2: is apparently a reference to an albino ape like creature

583
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Speaker 2: from the original Star Trek series, because Ben Stiller is

584
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 2: a massive trekky and loves the sprinkle in Star Trek

585
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:45,480
Speaker 2: references in news movies whenever he can. It's also a

586
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:47,960
Speaker 2: rumored that Mugatu or Will Ferrell I should say ad

587
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:49,960
Speaker 2: libbed I'll be a Monkey's uncle at the end of

588
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 2: the movie h as sort of a nod to the

589
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Speaker 2: monster that gave him his name. Will Ferrell also add

590
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Speaker 2: lib to the crazy pills line and the breakdance fighting.

591
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Speaker 1: Line, another incredibly quoted bit. Yeah, I love how Will

592
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 1: Ferrell screams.

593
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Speaker 2: I love how it's like just in the realm of

594
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:12,240
Speaker 2: losing control vocally.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he really hasn't pitched perfectly. I watched the VMA's

596
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 1: Thing with No the move MTV Movie Awards Matrix bit

597
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:25,479
Speaker 1: where he's the architect at the end. It's so cool.

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Speaker 2: Yes, concordedly, Oh my god, I forgot about that. I

599
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 2: probably haven't seen that since it was on.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's good. Holds up. Yeah, you haven't answered

601
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 1: my question. Yes, I did you see when you haven't answered,

602
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 1: I'm trying. You just need to let me talk. Why

603
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 1: am I here? Would you shut up? You won't let it?

604
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 2: No, you won't let it.

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00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 1: I'm the one who talks. Okay, now shut yours open?

606
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 1: You haven't you want to see me get out of

607
00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:00,480
Speaker 1: this chair. There, go open your yeah, or one more time,

608
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna architect a world of pain all over

609
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 1: your candy ass here go concordingly, I apologize. I don't

610
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 1: usually like to use my big voice. Will Fill.

611
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 2: He plays this role so well it was shocked to

612
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 2: learn that it wasn't originally written for him. The part

613
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 2: of my Gutsu was actually written very specifically, according to

614
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Speaker 2: Ben Stiller, for Andy Dick, who had to drop.

615
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Speaker 1: Out for scheduling reasons. Is that what they call it?

616
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 1: When he's like, Wow, never mind.

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00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 2: I think he's making a pilot when he when he's

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00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 2: never mind, yeah, no, no good, No good comes of

619
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Speaker 2: Andy Dick references, but he does still have a cameo

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Speaker 2: as Zulander's extremely unattractive massuse Olda, and Ben Stiller says

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Speaker 2: on the commentary track that he's actually really unhappy with

622
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 2: Olga's makeup in the movie because it's so thick that

623
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Speaker 2: you can barely tell it's Andy Dick, and it ruins

624
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Speaker 2: the joke.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think I picked up on that.

626
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 2: Actually, no, I didn't either, So I actually I forget

627
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 2: why Andy Dick couldn't do the movie. I think he

628
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 2: was doing a pilot or something. So the role went

629
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 2: to Will Ferrell, making it one of his first major roles.

630
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 2: It was two years before his roles in Old School

631
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 2: in Elf, which were both in two thousand and three,

632
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Speaker 2: and perhaps because of this, he was a little more

633
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 2: willing to cave to some of the physical demands of

634
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 2: this role. His absurd hair in Zoolander is real. Will

635
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 2: Ferrell had his hair dyed platinum three times, which has

636
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 2: to hurt, and it also forced him to wear a

637
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:36,440
Speaker 2: wig for half a season of SNL to cover it up.

638
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 2: And they were also going to make him wear pants

639
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 2: that had a big M cutout of the butt, but

640
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 2: as costume designer David c. Robinson later told MTV, we

641
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 2: never actually got around to that, however, and they also

642
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 2: crammed him into corsets, which Will Ferrell later said really

643
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 2: really hurt. And speaking of unfortunate fashion choices, we have

644
00:33:56,760 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 2: to talk about Mugatu's deeply offensive derelicte collection, which, in

645
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 2: the world of the film takes inspiration from the fashion

646
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Speaker 2: of quote the very homeless, the vagrants, the crackhors that

647
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 2: make this wonderful city so unique and uh, those.

648
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Speaker 1: Are one of the throwaway lines that makes me laugh.

649
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Speaker 1: You can dere leaked footballs. In the world of the movie.

650
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:26,719
Speaker 2: This runway scene takes place in a subway tunnel, but

651
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 2: it was actually shot in a band in the power

652
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:33,239
Speaker 2: plant in Long Island City. And this just seems too

653
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Speaker 2: insane to be real, But there apparently was something similar

654
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Speaker 2: to dere leaked in real life.

655
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Speaker 1: The British designer John Galliano used.

656
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Speaker 2: Clothing worn by the unhoused as an inspiration for his

657
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 2: fashion line in two thousand, described as a quote hobo chic. Look, yeah,

658
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:57,359
Speaker 2: Galliana's a piece of Does he do other things? I mean,

659
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Speaker 2: I guess that's the only thing you need to do

660
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Speaker 2: to be considered a not very.

661
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Speaker 1: Well, but it's so funny that you would ask about that.

662
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:09,240
Speaker 1: In December twenty ten, he was taped drunk in Paris

663
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 1: yelling I love Hitler. Oh my, people like you would

664
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Speaker 1: be dead to a group of Jewish women, Your mothers,

665
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Speaker 1: your forefathers would all be ghast. Well that's pretty unambiguous. Yeah, wow, yeahow.

666
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Speaker 1: He was a fine six thousand euro in September of

667
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Speaker 1: twenty eleven.

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Speaker 2: S Okay, so so he sucks, I guess the scans.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, let's talk about somebody who doesn't suck. Though.

670
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Speaker 2: One of the models who is used in the deare

671
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:49,359
Speaker 2: Lick Day scene is actually a real life New York

672
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:51,880
Speaker 2: character known as Radio Man.

673
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Speaker 1: Have you ever heard of Radio Man? I have, actually, Yeah.

674
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:58,719
Speaker 2: His true name is Craig Castaldough and he's known as

675
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 2: Radio Man due to the fact that he wears a

676
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 2: radio around his neck pretty much at all times, and

677
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:05,919
Speaker 2: at one point he was homeless in New York City

678
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 2: before becoming a semi famous cameo star. He's appeared in

679
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Speaker 2: over one hundred movies and TV shows, and I guess

680
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:15,440
Speaker 2: his first cameo occurred when he was asked to move

681
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 2: when a movie was shooting and he refused to, so

682
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:22,400
Speaker 2: he just was in the movie, and then he just

683
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 2: started visiting movie sets kind of as a profession.

684
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Speaker 1: In nineteen eighty nine.

685
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Speaker 2: It started with Terry Gilliams The Fisher King with Robin Williams,

686
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Speaker 2: and I think Rob Williams often made it a point

687
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Speaker 2: on all of his film shoots to hire the unhoused

688
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:38,240
Speaker 2: in the area where they were shooting.

689
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Speaker 1: To kick some money their way.

690
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Speaker 2: So I think that started with The Fisher King because

691
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:45,799
Speaker 2: I think Robin Williams character is I think he lives

692
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Speaker 2: on the streets.

693
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Speaker 1: I haven't seen that movie in a while. Movie's great, Yeah,

694
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Speaker 1: I think that's actually how I found out about radio

695
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Speaker 1: Man was reading about Fisher King.

696
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Speaker 2: Fisher King, Yeah, and I guess radio Man was able

697
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Speaker 2: to locate film sets in New York with the help

698
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Speaker 2: of teamsters. Who are the guys that, actually, what do

699
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Speaker 2: the hemeter have to do with film shoots in New York?

700
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Speaker 1: I'm not sure they're like the they're the truck shoppers. Yeah, yeah,

701
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Speaker 1: oh good.

702
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:11,759
Speaker 2: And also by finding no parking signs that indicate an

703
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 2: upcoming shoot, and he would just show up and they'd

704
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 2: stick him in the background.

705
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Speaker 1: In the nineties, he was arrested.

706
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Speaker 2: And had a six month evaluation at a psychiatric hospital,

707
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Speaker 2: but he was released and continued to visit film sets

708
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 2: and made a decent living doing so. As of two

709
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 2: thousand and four, he was living in Brooklyn and earned

710
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 2: money from not only his acting roles but selling autographs

711
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 2: as well. He had parts in Thirty Rock, It's Always

712
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 2: Sunny in Philadelphia, The Departed, Shutter Island Romance, and Cigarettes Elf,

713
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:45,400
Speaker 2: Two Weeks Notice, Glitter Keeping, The Faith, Godzilla, Ransom, Big Daddy,

714
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 2: Mister Deed's, The Secret Life of Alter Midty, The Other Woman,

715
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 2: and the Born Trilogy. Good for It Yeah, and He

716
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 2: said that Robin Williams was reportedly his favorite celebrity because

717
00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 2: he's everybody's favorite celebrity, and.

718
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 1: That Martin Score says he is his favorite.

719
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Speaker 2: Director to work with of all the directors he's worked with.

720
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Speaker 1: He's got good standards. He's got yes, he does.

721
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Speaker 2: And there's a documentary that came out about him a

722
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:12,880
Speaker 2: few years back which features a truly bonker's array of talent.

723
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Speaker 2: Tom Hanks, Robie Williams, Meryl Street, George Clooney, Josh Brolin,

724
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Speaker 2: Johnny Depp, Matt Damon, Ricky Gervais, James Gandolfini, Robert Downey Jr.

725
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Speaker 2: Jude Law, Whoopi Goldberg, Helen Mirren, Tilla Swinton, Alfred Molina,

726
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 2: Ron Howard, Schila Buff and Tina Fey are all.

727
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:29,920
Speaker 1: In it singing his praises.

728
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 2: And Woopy Goldberg once took him to the Oscars as

729
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Speaker 2: her date. So that is a happy ending there for

730
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Speaker 2: radio Man. I love that right, Yeah, cool story. I

731
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Speaker 2: need to watch that talk it seems cool.

732
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Speaker 1: So that is good. I'm like John Gulliana all time segue,

733
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 1: so that is good. Unlike John Gulliana.

734
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Speaker 2: And speaking of bad people, we have to talk about

735
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Speaker 2: Mugatu snide hench person Katinka played by Mila Joe's Jovica Mila,

736
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Speaker 2: I can't.

737
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Speaker 1: Say it, Jovovic Vila Djoviovic. Maybe it's a soft jay,

738
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Speaker 1: is it? I don't know. She's Yugoslavian, she's Russian.

739
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 2: I believe she's Russian because to prepare for her role,

740
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 2: she studied her mother's Russian accent, and she also made

741
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:23,799
Speaker 2: a very interesting choice for her facial expressions. She later said,

742
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 2: I was always very into her, her character looking like

743
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 2: she had just smelled something bad.

744
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 1: Oh, she was born in Kiev. You know. Her middle

745
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Speaker 1: name is Bogdanova, bog Dun, bog Bogdan, Bogdan Bogdan't know.

746
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Speaker 1: So those are the bad guys.

747
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Speaker 2: Let's talk about perhaps the only good person in this movie, Matilda,

748
00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:00,840
Speaker 2: a Time magazine reporter trying in vain to unravel this

749
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 2: tangled plot against the Malaysian Prime Minister.

750
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Speaker 1: What kind of kickback was Ben Sillar getting from Time?

751
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:10,839
Speaker 1: Because he makes in Secret Life of Walter Mitty. He's uh,

752
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Speaker 1: he's working at the Time Photo Archives or Life for

753
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Speaker 1: It's like filmed at the Time Life Building in Midtown. Interesting.

754
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Speaker 2: Well, Walter Mitty that was written I think by James Thurber,

755
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 2: who I think or maybe he was a New Yorker

756
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 2: cartoonist actually is Thurber. Uh so maybe that was a

757
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:34,759
Speaker 2: tribute to like the original career of Thurber. But I

758
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Speaker 2: forget where James. It was a New Yorker. Yeah, all

759
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:40,719
Speaker 2: the pen in ink stuff. Oh, I don't know.

760
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Speaker 1: It's a big loose fan. I guess the big Academy

761
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Speaker 1: loose fan.

762
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Speaker 2: But yes, the character Matilda, she writes a scathing article

763
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Speaker 2: about Zulander, but eventually warms up to him and they

764
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Speaker 2: wind up together. And the character Matilda, of course is

765
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Speaker 2: played appropriately enough. But act was Christine Taylor who was

766
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Speaker 2: Slash is married to Ben Stiller, and they like splitting

767
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Speaker 2: up and then they got back together during COVID. They

768
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:08,799
Speaker 2: like this cruse beck in with one another and then

769
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:09,440
Speaker 2: they worked it out.

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Speaker 1: That's good. She's a very pretty she's a pretty lady.

771
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Speaker 2: I always think of her as the woman from Hey

772
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Speaker 2: Dude on Nickelodeon.

773
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Speaker 1: I think of her as the mean girl in the

774
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Speaker 1: Craft who they curse and her hair falls out.

775
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and and of course Marcia Marcia Brady, Yes, yes,

776
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 2: there's no end to her rich acting history.

777
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Speaker 1: But yeah. Christine Taylor and Ben Stiller.

778
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Speaker 2: They met on the set of a TV show that

779
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 2: never ended up happening called heat Vision, and got married

780
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Speaker 2: in two thousand and Christine Taylor she said she likes

781
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Speaker 2: to call Matilda the straight man in this movie. It's

782
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Speaker 2: filled with so many over the top funny characters, and

783
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 2: Matilda brings a sense of reality to the world. You

784
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:57,800
Speaker 2: need to have somebody who's a bit of an anchor,

785
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Speaker 2: a voice of reason for the for the audience, and

786
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Speaker 2: Christine Taylor she does a great job in this role.

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Speaker 2: And she initially planned to skip the auditions because I

788
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:08,719
Speaker 2: guess You'd auditioned for the lead part in the Ben

789
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:12,320
Speaker 2: Stiller movie Meet the Parents the year before and didn't

790
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Speaker 2: get the part.

791
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Speaker 1: I think it went to Terry Polo.

792
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Speaker 2: I think yeah, And so she decided it would make

793
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:19,799
Speaker 2: things maybe a little less awkward at home if she

794
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:22,320
Speaker 2: didn't try out for any more of her husband's movies.

795
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Speaker 2: So he'd been looking at people like Sarah Jessica Parker

796
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Speaker 2: and Kate Hudson for the role of Matilda, but for

797
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:30,839
Speaker 2: whatever reason, it didn't work out with either of them,

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Speaker 2: and then he asked his wife in what I think

799
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Speaker 2: to be kind of an ungallant way. Christine later said,

800
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Speaker 2: I remember getting a call from Ben one day saying,

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Speaker 2: so what do you think about playing Matilda Paramount?

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Speaker 1: The studio maker who's making the.

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Speaker 2: Movie loves you, and you did the Brady Bunch movie

804
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Speaker 2: for Paramount and they would love you to do it.

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Speaker 2: And still, like you said earlier, he gave this kind

806
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52,480
Speaker 2: of oddly clinical or maybe he's just trying to be

807
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Speaker 2: professional account of their professional relationship. To The Daily Bruin,

808
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Speaker 2: he said, working with my wife was great.

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Speaker 1: I love my life. That's good.

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Speaker 2: It was really helpful for me, and I trust her

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Speaker 2: sense of humor, and she's really smart. When you're acting

812
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:08,279
Speaker 2: and directing, you miss having a director, so I would

813
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 2: go back to her a lot of times for feedback.

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Speaker 1: That makes sense, thankfully.

815
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Speaker 2: Christine said she had a really good time on the

816
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Speaker 2: set with her husband, leading them to work together again

817
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:19,920
Speaker 2: on Dodgeball Tropic Thunder, and.

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Speaker 1: I said, I was gonna mention this anymore Zoolander to.

819
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Speaker 2: Speaking of Ben and Christine's relationship, justin Throw probably wouldn't

820
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Speaker 2: have had a role in Zoolander without it. He was

821
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Speaker 2: a friend of a couple and he attended their wedding

822
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Speaker 2: in two thousand when he breaked danced, Broke danced, Tense.

823
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Speaker 1: Of Breakdancing, Breakdan Broake danced, Broke Dance, Brokedance Dance Mountain

824
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Speaker 1: Too Easy. Anyway, we're hitting with new highs of idiocy

825
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Speaker 1: on this on this episode. But what do you want?

826
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Speaker 1: I mean, we're not doing this.

827
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Speaker 2: Justin throw with the Ben Steeler and Christine Taylor's wedding

828
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Speaker 2: dance funny in a way that we can't bring ourselves

829
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Speaker 2: to physically say.

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Speaker 1: And I thought it was so funny that Ben asked

831
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Speaker 1: him to appear.

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Speaker 2: In Zuland there was the evil DJ you know who

833
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:17,720
Speaker 2: break dances in the movie Throw his appearance in this movie.

834
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Speaker 2: It is apparently inspired by Gary Oldman's character and true romance.

835
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Speaker 1: Did you know that? Oh yeah, yeahs as the drug dealer, Ye,

836
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Speaker 1: Darryl Spivey or something. His name is with the dread box,

837
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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, oh man, all time Oldman.

838
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Speaker 2: So, in case you haven't gathered so far, as Zulander

839
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Speaker 2: is very much a family affair packed with close Stiller

840
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Speaker 2: Slash Taylor associates, including Ben's own.

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Speaker 1: Parents and Ben Stiller.

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Speaker 2: He originally intended on playing the role of Derek Zulander's manager,

843
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:55,360
Speaker 2: Mary Balstein himself, Who's I guess a character based on

844
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Speaker 2: the do it guy from his sketch show that ring

845
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Speaker 2: any bells?

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Speaker 1: You can do it? No, No, that's from that's from

847
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Speaker 1: no no, no, yeah, oh do it? Do it? Yeah?

848
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:07,280
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

849
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Speaker 2: Okay, I'm sure I say, maybe you might have been

850
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:12,320
Speaker 2: the one who sent this to me. The Ben Stiller

851
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 2: doing Bruce Bringsteen counting, Oh yeah, what I.

852
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 1: Get up to? I need to rewatch the Ben Stiller

853
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:27,360
Speaker 1: sket shot. I don't really know from like that era?

854
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 1: Oh man.

855
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:33,359
Speaker 2: So anyway, that character is what Marty Balstein's based on,

856
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:35,320
Speaker 2: and Ben was going to play it himself, but it

857
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 2: quickly became obvious that he had enough to do between

858
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:41,799
Speaker 2: writing and directing and starring in the movie. So he

859
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 2: does what all overwhelms people. Do yes, his dad for help?

860
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 2: His dad, of course, the legendary Jerry Stiller created some

861
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 2: awkward but apparently funny moments with his daughter in law

862
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 2: on the set, as she recalled being able to have

863
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 2: a scene with my father in law where he's looking

864
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:02,759
Speaker 2: at my chest saying, with a push up brawl, you

865
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 2: could have a nice rack of lamb going there was funny.

866
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 2: We were just laughing NonStop. Weird, and then Ben Stiller's mother,

867
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:17,279
Speaker 2: Jerry Stiller's comedy double act partner and Mara plays a

868
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:18,920
Speaker 2: protester at the Fashion Awards.

869
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:20,400
Speaker 1: I think at the beginning of the movie.

870
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:24,240
Speaker 2: Ben Stiller's sister Amy plays a hanger on at Hansel's apartment,

871
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:27,239
Speaker 2: and his brother in law is the director of the

872
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:30,919
Speaker 2: commercial that closes the film. And then of course come

873
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 2: the cameos. So many cameos in this movie. We talked

874
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:37,280
Speaker 2: about Bowie playing himself as the judge of the walk off.

875
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:41,800
Speaker 2: And also of course there's Billy Zayn that's Derek's Franton.

876
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:44,480
Speaker 1: Cool dude, he's trying to help you.

877
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 2: Mark Ronson is the DJ at the funeral for zuland

878
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 2: New's roommates, which is so weird because he at that point,

879
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 2: it was like long before he did any production work.

880
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 2: I think he was just like a hot New York

881
00:46:57,880 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 2: club djsut.

882
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:04,320
Speaker 1: So hot right now. So there it is nice.

883
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:09,319
Speaker 2: Uh is Comedian Godfrey and Taj Crown. They are Janitor's

884
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 2: disguises for Derek and Hansel, respectively, and they're also bit

885
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:17,240
Speaker 2: parts by Lance bass Tyson Beckford, Victoria Beckham, Emma Bunton,

886
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:22,440
Speaker 2: Stephen dor Fred Durst, tom Ford, Cuba Gooding, Junior, Tommy Hillfinger,

887
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 2: Paris Hilton, Heidi Klum, Lenny Kravitz, Carlagerfell, Little Kim, James

888
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:31,759
Speaker 2: Morris and Natalie Portman, Gavin Rossdale, well knowna riter, Gary Shanling,

889
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 2: Christian Slater, Gwen Stefani, Donald Trump, Malania Trump, Donald Tellaversace,

890
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 2: Sandra Bernhard, and Jennifer Coolidge as.

891
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:41,279
Speaker 1: A small part as well. And I'm sure there are more.

892
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 1: I'm forgetting. Hmm, that's packed.

893
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:46,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's pretty I would love some kind of list

894
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:49,360
Speaker 2: of most cameos in a movie.

895
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 1: That's gotta be up there. Oh, it's a mad, mad,

896
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:55,520
Speaker 1: mad mad mad World. That's a good pick. The Loved One.

897
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 1: What's that? Oh?

898
00:47:57,200 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 2: That was totally a thing in the mid sixties where

899
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:02,719
Speaker 2: they would have these like terrible movies that they would

900
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 2: try to save by just like having every actor in

901
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 2: Hollywood have like four lines in it. It's a mad, mad,

902
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:11,840
Speaker 2: mad mad mad World. Spencer, Tracy Milton, Burrell, Sid Caesar,

903
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:15,320
Speaker 2: Buddy Hackett, ethel Merman, Mickey Rooney, Dick Sewn, Phil Silvers,

904
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 2: Jonathan Winters, every comedian, Jimmy Duranty. I mean, that's a classic.

905
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:21,440
Speaker 2: That's a good movie, Stanley Kramer movie. But yeah, I

906
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:27,359
Speaker 2: don't know the Loved One. Robert Morris, Jonathan Winters, Jonathan Gilgood, Liberaci,

907
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 2: Milton Burrell, Robert Morley, Robert Morris, all Bert Cooper, r P,

908
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:39,920
Speaker 2: Roddy McDowell, Tap Hunter, James Coburn, Paul Williams, the Paul Williams.

909
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:45,400
Speaker 1: Well Sir Williams. Wow, it's so Stiller. Challenge accepted for

910
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:46,440
Speaker 1: Zoolander three.

911
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 2: So that is the cast run James, Sorry, still doing

912
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:55,520
Speaker 2: the episode.

913
00:48:56,480 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 1: Still still still here, Still here. That's out loud, well

914
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 1: true to its roots. The opening scene where Derek loses

915
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:11,360
Speaker 1: his Model of the Year title was shot during the

916
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:16,160
Speaker 1: two thousand VH one Vogue Fashion Awards during the commercial breaks.

917
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:20,120
Speaker 1: I love that and making it possible that most of

918
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:22,680
Speaker 1: the audience was completely unaware of what was going on.

919
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:27,360
Speaker 1: The sequence with the PETA paint throwers before the show

920
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:32,640
Speaker 1: was shot separately in Los Angeles. And again, that's Ben

921
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 1: Stiller's mom as the main protester. He cast her because

922
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:38,040
Speaker 1: he thought she would make quote the perfect Upper West

923
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:43,200
Speaker 1: Side protester and of course, in a movie about male models,

924
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:46,920
Speaker 1: it was crucial for them to nail the fashions. According

925
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:48,719
Speaker 1: to Ben Stiller, it was actually really tough to make

926
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:52,280
Speaker 1: the clothing funny because the hote cooteur world was already

927
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 1: so over the top and ridiculous. See John Galliano's actual

928
00:49:56,239 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 1: clothing line inspired by The Homeless. Stiller said, you can't

929
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:03,320
Speaker 1: outdo the fashion world. You look at some coutur shows

930
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:05,520
Speaker 1: and they're really out there, so you can't get bigger

931
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:07,800
Speaker 1: than what's already there. It was a question of matching

932
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:09,319
Speaker 1: that and to have a real sense of humor in

933
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 1: the outfits. Derek's specific style was more of an old

934
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:14,520
Speaker 1: school model with suits and collar shirts like an early

935
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:17,719
Speaker 1: nineties feel. Hansel was much more about the crunchry, granola,

936
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 1: extreme sports, grunge model stuff. Robin Standaffer and David c Robinson,

937
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:25,360
Speaker 1: the costume designers, worked closely together to make sure the

938
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:28,839
Speaker 1: clothes would really pop. David c Robinson had a hard

939
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:30,719
Speaker 1: time with this. He was brought into production late in

940
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:33,839
Speaker 1: the game after his predecessor was fired, and he had

941
00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:35,880
Speaker 1: just five weeks on the job to bring everything together.

942
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:38,719
Speaker 1: He told MTV in twenty twenty one, there was a

943
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:41,440
Speaker 1: push to act fast and it was fun. I actually

944
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:43,640
Speaker 1: tried to take the fashion aspect of it very seriously.

945
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 1: My first approach. The first thing I pitched to Ben

946
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:49,319
Speaker 1: was having each scene be a different editorial style. There

947
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:53,040
Speaker 1: was Helmet Newton for the funeral, Mario Testino for Hansel's loft.

948
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:56,240
Speaker 1: It gave every scene this particular look, very low angle,

949
00:50:56,360 --> 00:50:59,879
Speaker 1: black and whites. That's still there. But then Ben was like, no, no, no.

950
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:02,880
Speaker 1: At this point in nineteen ninety nine, teenagers did not

951
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:05,600
Speaker 1: read these fashion magazines and didn't have that kind of

952
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 1: awareness of fashion to really make a Helmet Newton joke. Land, Yeah,

953
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:14,040
Speaker 1: that scans, but he wanted the jokes. So Ben stillar

954
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:16,080
Speaker 1: one of the jokes in humor to be contextual, like

955
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:17,839
Speaker 1: you would laugh at the whether or not you knew

956
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 1: anything about fashion. So he went back to the drawing

957
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:24,440
Speaker 1: board and for the funeral, the joke there is how

958
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:28,000
Speaker 1: clueless Derek is at the entire situation. So the idea

959
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:31,719
Speaker 1: of putting him in all white at the funeral, or

960
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:35,120
Speaker 1: the python suit with matching luggage set at the coal mine,

961
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 1: those were the jokes because they were not dependent on

962
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 1: insider knowledge of fashion. He continued, I think that's why

963
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 1: the movie survived. If we tied the fashion moments or

964
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:47,440
Speaker 1: ideas of nineteen ninety nine, it would have just looked dated.

965
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:50,040
Speaker 1: But the jokes are not really about that. They're about

966
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:53,680
Speaker 1: the character and how clueless he is. Apparently the stuff

967
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:55,840
Speaker 1: for the dere leaked fashion show took a lot of effort.

968
00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:59,360
Speaker 1: Robinson said. We collected garbage for weeks. We went picking

969
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:01,640
Speaker 1: through our track, saying, oh, look at this, it would

970
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:04,040
Speaker 1: be perfect. I went to the flea markets on weekends

971
00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:07,200
Speaker 1: and got beautiful pieces of antique garbage, like an old

972
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:09,480
Speaker 1: doll from the thirties, which we pinned to one of

973
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:12,200
Speaker 1: the coats. There were a few flashes of beauty among

974
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:16,239
Speaker 1: the old rappers and cigarette butts, beautiful pieces of antique garbage.

975
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:21,720
Speaker 1: That's sophomore record coming out next year. Hog Waste Lagoon.

976
00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:26,040
Speaker 1: You love Hog Waste Lagoon. It's a great, great out entitle.

977
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:31,880
Speaker 1: It really is the new cellar door, the production darker reference.

978
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 1: I'm glad we brought that back. The production team Comedy

979
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:37,720
Speaker 1: Works and Threes. The production team really went the extra

980
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:41,680
Speaker 1: mile when they were making this movie. It's apparent when assembling,

981
00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:45,800
Speaker 1: for example, Hansel's soil room, which was a particular challenge

982
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:49,239
Speaker 1: since his loft was on the fifth floor. They took

983
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:53,560
Speaker 1: a mini Baco and a freight elevator to move the

984
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:58,080
Speaker 1: requisite amount of soil to complete the look of the

985
00:52:58,080 --> 00:53:04,160
Speaker 1: soil room. It just sounds obscene, It really does. Uh.

986
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:06,920
Speaker 1: But again it goes back to the level of perfectionism

987
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:11,279
Speaker 1: that Stiller puts in everything he For example, he is

988
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:14,440
Speaker 1: still haunted by the fact that Derek's tiny phone isn't

989
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:18,200
Speaker 1: small enough, and he was also very nervous that he's

990
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:22,400
Speaker 1: line the center for ants, another one of the iconic

991
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:26,080
Speaker 1: lines of this movie, wouldn't Land. He told Will Ferrell,

992
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:28,279
Speaker 1: We've just got to commit to it and hope it

993
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:32,399
Speaker 1: works because it's such a stupid joke. And then there's

994
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:34,360
Speaker 1: Derek in Matilda's Baby at the end of the movie

995
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:38,040
Speaker 1: with the tremendous hair that is not the baby's real hair,

996
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:41,680
Speaker 1: that is the baby's real hair, and not a baby

997
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:45,840
Speaker 1: to pay although there was cellar baby to pay? Is

998
00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:52,640
Speaker 1: there was a cellar for sale? Baby too pay? Never worn?

999
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:58,399
Speaker 1: That's that's a great short night. The blue steel look

1000
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:01,000
Speaker 1: that the baby pulls out though, is g I sadly,

1001
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:03,840
Speaker 1: we don't we that's there's union rules against that.

1002
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:05,440
Speaker 2: Uh.

1003
00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:09,720
Speaker 1: The body part that is not real is uh, Derek

1004
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:13,280
Speaker 1: Zulander's boner in the massage scene. That was a remote

1005
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:18,840
Speaker 1: control Dowel manipulated by an FX crew member with a

1006
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:22,120
Speaker 1: joystick from under the massage table.

1007
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:25,960
Speaker 2: Dow manipulated by a special effects crew member with a

1008
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:31,000
Speaker 2: joystick from on the massage table in your pocket or.

1009
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:38,880
Speaker 4: That We're gonna take a quick break, but we'll be

1010
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:41,800
Speaker 4: right back with more too much information in just a moment.

1011
00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:56,799
Speaker 1: Another exacting detail that's Stiller labored over in this movie

1012
00:54:56,960 --> 00:55:00,560
Speaker 1: was the right color of the gas in the gasol fight.

1013
00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:04,480
Speaker 1: He was reportedly not happy with how it turned out.

1014
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:06,000
Speaker 1: He thought it was too yellow.

1015
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:08,759
Speaker 2: Which I can see if he rewatched that scene. I mean,

1016
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:10,880
Speaker 2: gas is a hard because it's got that weird rainbowy

1017
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:14,080
Speaker 2: shimmer thing. But yeah, it doesn't it doesn't look good.

1018
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:16,120
Speaker 1: So you're with him. I'm with him on that.

1019
00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:18,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, it looks like some kind of like high Sea

1020
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:19,920
Speaker 2: or kool aid or something.

1021
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:24,120
Speaker 1: Well. Uh, the freak gasoline fight was a show piece

1022
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:26,960
Speaker 1: of the movie, a set piece if you will, through

1023
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:31,320
Speaker 1: every phase of the script. But the inclusion of whams

1024
00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:34,520
Speaker 1: wake me up Before You Go Go was a happy accident.

1025
00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:40,280
Speaker 1: Originally they were going to hire some forty one. Whither

1026
00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:48,000
Speaker 1: some forty one didn't the lead singer like almost die Yeah, okay,

1027
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:52,600
Speaker 1: yeah yeah Derek Derek with Derek Whibley bhibably. Yeah. I

1028
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:54,719
Speaker 1: interviewed him. He was a nice guy, did you. Oh wow,

1029
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:58,719
Speaker 1: yeah for people yeah yeah yeah yeah. It was this

1030
00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:01,520
Speaker 1: like when he was like when they were coming yeah yeah,

1031
00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:05,400
Speaker 1: they were relaunching it. Yeah, sweet guy. You know, I

1032
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:10,719
Speaker 1: don't like his band storm it through the party, Like,

1033
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:12,520
Speaker 1: my name is el Nina what I was hanging out

1034
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:14,480
Speaker 1: drinking in the back of an ol Camino as a kid.

1035
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:16,680
Speaker 1: It was a skid. No one knew my name, crash

1036
00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:20,839
Speaker 1: my own house party because nobody came. It's the rap

1037
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:24,680
Speaker 1: first from from the first one fatt.

1038
00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:26,840
Speaker 2: I once lost fifty bucks because I was so certain

1039
00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:31,719
Speaker 2: that was a Blink one eight song. Oh I had

1040
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:32,680
Speaker 2: I paid that too.

1041
00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:36,719
Speaker 1: It was one of those like they demand I pay up. Yeah. Wow.

1042
00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:42,440
Speaker 1: That haunts you, it does, it does anyway. So they

1043
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:44,279
Speaker 1: were going to hire some forty one to write a

1044
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:46,800
Speaker 1: new song to go into that scene, and they stuck

1045
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:49,160
Speaker 1: in wake Me Up before You Go Go as a placeholder,

1046
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:51,360
Speaker 1: and then when some forty one saw a rough cut,

1047
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:53,560
Speaker 1: they insisted that the song stay.

1048
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:56,239
Speaker 2: Which I kind of called BS on that because I

1049
00:56:56,239 --> 00:56:59,160
Speaker 2: don't understand why they would turn down a boatload of money.

1050
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:01,960
Speaker 2: Although into that one, that's probably when they were still

1051
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:05,360
Speaker 2: living high on the hog, so maybe they felt inclined

1052
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:08,080
Speaker 2: to make an artistic call. But there are just way

1053
00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:10,799
Speaker 2: too instances of that occurring in pop culture, whom people

1054
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:12,319
Speaker 2: are like, oh, yeah, we were gonna be hired to

1055
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:14,480
Speaker 2: do this, but then we said no, it's great as

1056
00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:17,520
Speaker 2: it is and turned down a ton of money. I

1057
00:57:17,560 --> 00:57:19,600
Speaker 2: feel like there's alistical on that, although I can't think

1058
00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:21,440
Speaker 2: of any other examples at this moment.

1059
00:57:23,160 --> 00:57:26,360
Speaker 1: Right I posit. I posit this thing. I have no

1060
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:29,000
Speaker 1: support for it. I know it emotionally, I don't know

1061
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:33,400
Speaker 1: it intellectually. I do wonder where it falls apart. Sometimes

1062
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:35,000
Speaker 1: I guess it's I mean, we talked about Whinney I

1063
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:36,880
Speaker 1: Will Always Love You thing when when they were gonna

1064
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:39,439
Speaker 1: have Patti label sing it, and then before she said,

1065
00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:43,080
Speaker 1: before I could say yes for real, it went to Whitney.

1066
00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:45,200
Speaker 1: So I guess it's just a matter of like, they

1067
00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:47,720
Speaker 1: probably cast a wide net and it's whoever says yes

1068
00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:49,520
Speaker 1: for the least amount of money is the person who

1069
00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:51,360
Speaker 1: ends up going with it, and then it's up to

1070
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:54,600
Speaker 1: the band to save face afterwards by saying, oh, yeah,

1071
00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:58,720
Speaker 1: we turned that down anyway. Just that's my pet theory.

1072
00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:01,800
Speaker 2: That's a good Oh yeah, everybody went we seem like

1073
00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:10,040
Speaker 2: art first punks and uh and Ben Stiller has a

1074
00:58:10,040 --> 00:58:12,840
Speaker 2: great idea that we thought was couldn't be beat. Yeah,

1075
00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:15,960
Speaker 2: all right, are you an art first punk? I think

1076
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:16,280
Speaker 2: you are.

1077
00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:31,800
Speaker 1: I'm a fart first punk. Speaking of liquo, See it

1078
00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:34,640
Speaker 1: doesn't you're scraping the bottom of the barrel because you're

1079
00:58:34,720 --> 00:58:36,760
Speaker 1: sleep deprived. I'm scraping in the bottom of the barrel

1080
00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:44,080
Speaker 1: because that's my natural habitat baby anyway, uh Ri I

1081
00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:49,400
Speaker 1: p Rufus Brint and Mikus uh a young Alexander scarsguard

1082
00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:52,360
Speaker 1: one of his first film roles. According to the costume

1083
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:55,000
Speaker 1: designer David Robinson, the explosions in that scene were not

1084
00:58:55,160 --> 00:58:58,080
Speaker 1: c g I or even done on a backlot. He

1085
00:58:58,160 --> 00:59:01,760
Speaker 1: told MTV. We freaking up a gas station in Soho.

1086
00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:04,880
Speaker 1: I don't think I'll ever be able to do that again.

1087
00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:07,440
Speaker 1: I remember when we did it. Carl arms went off

1088
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:10,440
Speaker 1: for three blocks. It was quite an explosion. But it

1089
00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:12,560
Speaker 1: was Ben's idea to have them wear bright colors and

1090
00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:14,800
Speaker 1: all different colors. You wanted it to feel like a

1091
00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:17,480
Speaker 1: Pepsi commercial with everyone having a great time, like a

1092
00:59:17,600 --> 00:59:21,160
Speaker 1: Mento's commercial gone wrong. There aren't a ton of like

1093
00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:24,400
Speaker 1: wild behind the scene stories from the production of Zulander,

1094
00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:27,800
Speaker 1: unless you count actually blowing up a gas station and so.

1095
00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:32,720
Speaker 1: But there is a long, long lost ending, an unhappy

1096
00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:36,560
Speaker 1: one in which Zulander dies. Ben still Are told Esquire

1097
00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:39,919
Speaker 1: he has to shoot the blue Steel or Magnum look

1098
00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:42,920
Speaker 1: at a train to stop it and thera and it

1099
00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:47,440
Speaker 1: doesn't work. The train plows and kills him basically phrasing

1100
00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:56,680
Speaker 1: like the train. You're looking for me for a response,

1101
00:59:57,480 --> 01:00:02,120
Speaker 1: like the train. That's like the train plowd and then

1102
01:00:02,240 --> 01:00:07,640
Speaker 1: killed him because you couldn't withstand being by a train. Uh.

1103
01:00:08,240 --> 01:00:10,800
Speaker 1: The train plows and kills him basically, and then he

1104
01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:13,760
Speaker 1: goes up to Heaven. The studio put a stop to

1105
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:16,920
Speaker 1: it for creative and practical reasons. Firstly, they didn't think

1106
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:18,680
Speaker 1: that it was funny and wanted a feel good ending

1107
01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:21,320
Speaker 1: to the movie, and also building a whole Heaven set

1108
01:00:21,360 --> 01:00:24,600
Speaker 1: would have been prohibitively expensive blowing up a gas station,

1109
01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:25,919
Speaker 1: and so it's funny.

1110
01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:26,200
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1111
01:00:26,240 --> 01:00:29,400
Speaker 1: Also, a heaven set isn't expensive. There's that famous scene

1112
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:33,480
Speaker 1: from Exorcist three where George C. Scott wonders through heaven

1113
01:00:33,560 --> 01:00:37,520
Speaker 1: and it has Fabio and Samuel L. Jackson you're kidding me,

1114
01:00:38,040 --> 01:00:41,920
Speaker 1: I am not, and Charles Bark No. Patrick Ewing I

1115
01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:44,280
Speaker 1: think is in there too. It's his famous scene from

1116
01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:44,760
Speaker 1: the like.

1117
01:00:45,160 --> 01:00:49,680
Speaker 2: The Angel, the Lennon Sisters is the Angels? Larry King

1118
01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:53,640
Speaker 2: is himself said what, yeah, is this?

1119
01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:56,200
Speaker 1: Larry King is in Larry King is in a diner scene,

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01:00:56,280 --> 01:00:58,560
Speaker 1: I think, or maybe he is in the heaven scene. Wow.

1121
01:00:58,760 --> 01:01:02,000
Speaker 2: Is this supposed to be funny? Patrick Ewing, Angel of Death? Yeah,

1122
01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:08,640
Speaker 2: uh no, it's very it's very weird anyway, call that though,

1123
01:01:08,720 --> 01:01:10,560
Speaker 2: had they killed him off, they would not have done

1124
01:01:10,560 --> 01:01:14,720
Speaker 2: this terrible sequel. We vowed to stop mentioning. In the

1125
01:01:14,800 --> 01:01:16,360
Speaker 2: draft of the script, there was an ending that would

1126
01:01:16,360 --> 01:01:19,920
Speaker 2: have taken place on Mount Rushmore, hearkening back to Derek's

1127
01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:20,760
Speaker 2: early backstory that.

1128
01:01:20,760 --> 01:01:22,600
Speaker 1: He grew up near the mountain. Why he wanted such

1129
01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:25,320
Speaker 1: a chie face. Several sequences were going to take place

1130
01:01:25,360 --> 01:01:29,120
Speaker 1: in or around Mount Rushmore, like David Ducovney's hand Model intervention,

1131
01:01:29,560 --> 01:01:31,400
Speaker 1: but this plot was scrapped in favor of the darre

1132
01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:33,560
Speaker 1: Leek show. Was that which Hitchcock movie takes place on

1133
01:01:33,560 --> 01:01:38,080
Speaker 1: Mount Rushmore? I don't know? North by northwest? Is it really? Yeah?

1134
01:01:38,600 --> 01:01:41,400
Speaker 1: Is not the whole thing, but the climax is on Rushmore.

1135
01:01:41,880 --> 01:01:44,040
Speaker 1: They almost ditched a bit about Zulander not being able

1136
01:01:44,040 --> 01:01:46,760
Speaker 1: to turn left, which was apparently a huge plot point

1137
01:01:46,800 --> 01:01:49,840
Speaker 1: in an early version. But it was funny. Hey, that

1138
01:01:50,040 --> 01:01:52,480
Speaker 1: is it is, especially like you did the little throway

1139
01:01:52,520 --> 01:01:56,440
Speaker 1: gags where he turns the long way. That was trimmed

1140
01:01:56,440 --> 01:02:00,000
Speaker 1: down in favor of beefing up the magnum face magnum

1141
01:02:00,120 --> 01:02:05,120
Speaker 1: face plot point instead magnum face. That's the magnum face.

1142
01:02:06,680 --> 01:02:09,760
Speaker 1: Go on, yeh, start for.

1143
01:02:11,800 --> 01:02:17,840
Speaker 2: You for a magnum face. Of course we go to

1144
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:23,640
Speaker 2: censorship dramas. Yes, uh Zulander had a surprising amount of

1145
01:02:23,640 --> 01:02:26,520
Speaker 2: controversy for a movie that like isn't well. I guess

1146
01:02:26,520 --> 01:02:29,080
Speaker 2: it does have a major plot point, is killing a

1147
01:02:29,120 --> 01:02:32,200
Speaker 2: major head of government, So maybe that that's probably explains

1148
01:02:32,200 --> 01:02:35,120
Speaker 2: that some of it. But the uh MP double A,

1149
01:02:35,840 --> 01:02:39,480
Speaker 2: the organization responsible for assigning Movie Ratings initially wanted to

1150
01:02:39,520 --> 01:02:43,080
Speaker 2: give Zulander an R rating due to the orgy scene

1151
01:02:43,120 --> 01:02:46,200
Speaker 2: in hanssel Soil Room and ben Stiller. He recut the

1152
01:02:46,240 --> 01:02:50,200
Speaker 2: scene five different times, but still the NPAA refused to budge,

1153
01:02:50,600 --> 01:02:53,560
Speaker 2: so Stiller, much like Harrison Ford did for his beloved

1154
01:02:53,600 --> 01:02:56,720
Speaker 2: large plane movie Air Force One, made a personal appeal

1155
01:02:56,720 --> 01:03:00,400
Speaker 2: to the mp double a's twelve member board, and according

1156
01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:02,920
Speaker 2: to Christine Taylor, he apparently said words to the effect

1157
01:03:02,960 --> 01:03:05,280
Speaker 2: of listen, would I ever put my wife in anything

1158
01:03:05,320 --> 01:03:11,000
Speaker 2: that would be questionable? Not that great argument, but I

1159
01:03:11,000 --> 01:03:14,240
Speaker 2: guess he successfully argued that the scene, the orgy scene,

1160
01:03:14,600 --> 01:03:17,720
Speaker 2: was quote more silly than sexy, and he promised to

1161
01:03:17,760 --> 01:03:23,160
Speaker 2: remove a goat from the scene. That was sometimes that's

1162
01:03:23,200 --> 01:03:25,640
Speaker 2: all it takes. Yeah, not the finished dwarfs were fine,

1163
01:03:25,960 --> 01:03:26,720
Speaker 2: but the goat no.

1164
01:03:27,520 --> 01:03:28,840
Speaker 1: But he did and he.

1165
01:03:28,800 --> 01:03:33,200
Speaker 2: Got his desired PG thirteen rating. But ben Stiller would

1166
01:03:33,280 --> 01:03:37,200
Speaker 2: not get off so lightly in the country of Malaysia. Again,

1167
01:03:37,360 --> 01:03:40,720
Speaker 2: considering the plot centers around Zulander being brainwashed into murdering

1168
01:03:40,760 --> 01:03:43,920
Speaker 2: the Prime Minister of Malaysia, it's perhaps unsurprising that the

1169
01:03:43,920 --> 01:03:46,919
Speaker 2: movie was banned in that country, with the Censorship Board

1170
01:03:46,960 --> 01:03:50,400
Speaker 2: claiming that it was quote definitely unsuitable for public consumption.

1171
01:03:51,440 --> 01:03:54,080
Speaker 2: Still a respond to the controversy at the time by saying,

1172
01:03:54,200 --> 01:03:56,360
Speaker 2: I'm not an expert on the Malaysian sense of humor,

1173
01:03:56,640 --> 01:03:59,680
Speaker 2: but the film represents the Prime Minister as a heroic figure.

1174
01:04:00,120 --> 01:04:02,120
Speaker 1: I would think it was a good thing. The bad

1175
01:04:02,160 --> 01:04:03,840
Speaker 1: guys are the fashion designers, all right.

1176
01:04:04,680 --> 01:04:08,840
Speaker 2: Hilariously, Ben Stiller and Owen Wilson met the actual Malaysian

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01:04:08,920 --> 01:04:13,040
Speaker 2: Prime Minister in twenty twelve. I had no idea why,

1178
01:04:13,560 --> 01:04:15,560
Speaker 2: but the event occurred without incident.

1179
01:04:15,680 --> 01:04:16,120
Speaker 1: Okay.

1180
01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:19,960
Speaker 2: This movie is also banned in Singapore due to some

1181
01:04:20,080 --> 01:04:23,600
Speaker 2: kind of diplomatic political ties with Malaysia. I'm not totally

1182
01:04:23,640 --> 01:04:26,280
Speaker 2: sure why, and I guess they were also offended by

1183
01:04:26,320 --> 01:04:29,920
Speaker 2: the film's peyote scene as well, and so it was

1184
01:04:29,960 --> 01:04:33,160
Speaker 2: banned there until two thousand and six, and when it

1185
01:04:33,200 --> 01:04:35,680
Speaker 2: was eventually released there, all references to the country of

1186
01:04:35,720 --> 01:04:40,520
Speaker 2: Malaysia were changed to Micronesia, the subregion which Hansel mistakes

1187
01:04:40,520 --> 01:04:43,360
Speaker 2: from Malaysia at one point during the movie. In the

1188
01:04:43,360 --> 01:04:46,760
Speaker 2: Western version, I should say, another element of the film

1189
01:04:46,840 --> 01:04:48,560
Speaker 2: that was censored, if you can really call it, that

1190
01:04:48,720 --> 01:04:51,680
Speaker 2: was the World Trade Center Zulander was released just a

1191
01:04:51,720 --> 01:04:53,760
Speaker 2: few weeks after the nine to eleven attacks, and so

1192
01:04:53,840 --> 01:04:56,640
Speaker 2: ben Stiller opted to digitally alter a shot of the

1193
01:04:56,640 --> 01:05:00,240
Speaker 2: Manhattan Skyline to remove the Twin Towers from it. In

1194
01:05:00,280 --> 01:05:02,760
Speaker 2: a letter to The New York Times, ben Stiller explained

1195
01:05:02,760 --> 01:05:06,240
Speaker 2: that he wanted Zulander to serve as escapist entertainment and

1196
01:05:06,280 --> 01:05:10,200
Speaker 2: not a reminder of the then recent tragedy. One element

1197
01:05:10,240 --> 01:05:13,640
Speaker 2: of Zoolander that hasn't been digitally removed is Donald Trump.

1198
01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:17,040
Speaker 2: He's one of the people being interviewed at the Fashion

1199
01:05:17,080 --> 01:05:19,960
Speaker 2: Awars and the star studded montage that opens the movie,

1200
01:05:20,240 --> 01:05:22,560
Speaker 2: and over the years some have called for Trumps segment

1201
01:05:22,640 --> 01:05:24,200
Speaker 2: to be cut from the film.

1202
01:05:24,080 --> 01:05:25,600
Speaker 1: But ben Stiller has refused.

1203
01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:28,400
Speaker 2: As he explained to movie Web quote at the end

1204
01:05:28,400 --> 01:05:30,560
Speaker 2: of the day, that was a time when that existed,

1205
01:05:30,600 --> 01:05:33,240
Speaker 2: and that happened. There are so many movies back then

1206
01:05:33,280 --> 01:05:36,480
Speaker 2: that had a silly cameo from Donald Trump. He represented

1207
01:05:36,480 --> 01:05:39,160
Speaker 2: a certain thing, or in the case of Home Alone too,

1208
01:05:39,240 --> 01:05:42,440
Speaker 2: that thing was ego. Wasn't it true that he refused

1209
01:05:42,440 --> 01:05:45,960
Speaker 2: to let the production shoot at the Plaza unless they

1210
01:05:45,960 --> 01:05:49,480
Speaker 2: gave him a cameo None that wouldn't strives me? I

1211
01:05:49,480 --> 01:05:51,959
Speaker 2: think it was, which just that's not how cameos work,

1212
01:05:52,120 --> 01:05:54,800
Speaker 2: Like the rules of cameos that you have to be approached.

1213
01:05:55,200 --> 01:05:57,880
Speaker 1: It's not. You can't like demand that you're put into

1214
01:05:57,880 --> 01:06:00,120
Speaker 1: a movie. It's not a cameo. Then it's a fire.

1215
01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:02,320
Speaker 1: Why are you looking for logic in the chambers of

1216
01:06:02,480 --> 01:06:05,640
Speaker 1: Donald Trump's withered heart? That's my favorite line from a

1217
01:06:06,680 --> 01:06:09,320
Speaker 1: Oh Brother, We're without It's a fool who looks for

1218
01:06:09,360 --> 01:06:10,760
Speaker 1: logic in the chambers of the human heart?

1219
01:06:10,800 --> 01:06:17,680
Speaker 2: Peat sorry continue Weirdly, Zulanda resulted in threats of legal

1220
01:06:17,720 --> 01:06:20,360
Speaker 2: action after its release from none other than author Brett

1221
01:06:20,360 --> 01:06:24,080
Speaker 2: Easton Ellis. In addition to writing American Psycho, he also

1222
01:06:24,080 --> 01:06:27,480
Speaker 2: published a satirical novel in nineteen ninety eight called Glamorama,

1223
01:06:27,880 --> 01:06:31,800
Speaker 2: about a plot concocted by international terrorists who recruit from

1224
01:06:31,800 --> 01:06:35,960
Speaker 2: within the fashion industry, and he reportedly sued the producers

1225
01:06:36,080 --> 01:06:39,320
Speaker 2: of Zulander for plagiarism in two thousand and five, and

1226
01:06:39,360 --> 01:06:42,240
Speaker 2: the case was settled out of court for an undisclosed sum.

1227
01:06:42,520 --> 01:06:44,000
Speaker 2: He was asked about it in a two thousand and

1228
01:06:44,040 --> 01:06:46,240
Speaker 2: nine interview with the BBC, but said he was unable

1229
01:06:46,280 --> 01:06:49,480
Speaker 2: to discuss the topic due to the settlement, So that

1230
01:06:49,600 --> 01:06:50,200
Speaker 2: is all fine.

1231
01:06:51,600 --> 01:06:58,200
Speaker 1: Brett Easton Ellis sucks, Yeah, he does. Suit. Mary Heron

1232
01:06:58,240 --> 01:07:01,240
Speaker 1: made a way better movie than your than your novel,

1233
01:07:01,280 --> 01:07:05,840
Speaker 1: you Bennington Herb. Yes, I would defeat him in any

1234
01:07:06,120 --> 01:07:09,200
Speaker 1: contest of physical strength with one hand and one leg

1235
01:07:09,240 --> 01:07:11,760
Speaker 1: tied behind my back. I would bully Brett Easton Ellis,

1236
01:07:11,960 --> 01:07:12,840
Speaker 1: shove him in a locker.

1237
01:07:13,240 --> 01:07:15,600
Speaker 2: How old is he? How he's older than I thought?

1238
01:07:15,880 --> 01:07:17,080
Speaker 2: It's almost sixty though.

1239
01:07:18,080 --> 01:07:20,080
Speaker 1: Who's the other guy who did Bright Lights, Bright City?

1240
01:07:20,200 --> 01:07:23,800
Speaker 1: That whole like late eighties? He didn't do. No, he

1241
01:07:23,840 --> 01:07:26,520
Speaker 1: didn't do you're thinking of lesson zero? Bright Lights, Big City?

1242
01:07:26,560 --> 01:07:30,120
Speaker 1: Is j mckeerney, famous for being written entirely in the

1243
01:07:30,240 --> 01:07:33,520
Speaker 1: second person tense. Oh yeah.

1244
01:07:33,720 --> 01:07:36,440
Speaker 2: Zuolander was released on September twenty eighth, which, as we

1245
01:07:36,480 --> 01:07:41,000
Speaker 2: said earlier, was unfortunately close to nine to eleven. In fact,

1246
01:07:41,120 --> 01:07:43,640
Speaker 2: when news footage of the nine to eleven World Trade

1247
01:07:43,640 --> 01:07:47,880
Speaker 2: Center attacks first broke on the TV station WNYW, and

1248
01:07:47,960 --> 01:07:53,560
Speaker 2: it interrupted a trailer for Zulander metaphor, so, as you

1249
01:07:53,600 --> 01:07:55,040
Speaker 2: might imagine, do.

1250
01:07:55,040 --> 01:07:59,600
Speaker 1: You ever see Don't be a Menace? Oh? My god, no,

1251
01:07:59,720 --> 01:08:03,120
Speaker 1: but I I know it. There's there's a recurring bit

1252
01:08:03,200 --> 01:08:07,280
Speaker 1: where every time someone lapses into like like an overly

1253
01:08:07,320 --> 01:08:10,680
Speaker 1: belabored like boys in the Hood, like emotional speech about

1254
01:08:10,800 --> 01:08:12,960
Speaker 1: getting out of the ghetto or something, or some kind

1255
01:08:13,000 --> 01:08:15,680
Speaker 1: of like sociopolitical commentary, one of the Wavens pops in

1256
01:08:15,720 --> 01:08:17,800
Speaker 1: as a mailman. He just like leans his head into

1257
01:08:17,800 --> 01:08:21,200
Speaker 1: the frame and just goes message. And that's what I

1258
01:08:21,280 --> 01:08:23,639
Speaker 1: think of whenever I think it's some on the nose

1259
01:08:23,720 --> 01:08:28,120
Speaker 1: political commentary. Tim going message.

1260
01:08:29,080 --> 01:08:31,640
Speaker 2: Well, as you might imagine, people weren't really in the

1261
01:08:31,680 --> 01:08:33,559
Speaker 2: mood for a silly comedy in the wake of a

1262
01:08:33,640 --> 01:08:37,320
Speaker 2: national tragedy, and that hurt box office numbers.

1263
01:08:37,160 --> 01:08:39,519
Speaker 1: And another thing that Donnie Darko has in common from

1264
01:08:39,520 --> 01:08:42,120
Speaker 1: this movie also hurt by nine to eleven. Here's a quest,

1265
01:08:42,120 --> 01:08:44,680
Speaker 1: here's a serious question, Jordan, if I let me get

1266
01:08:44,720 --> 01:08:47,080
Speaker 1: serious with you for a second. Let me let's a

1267
01:08:47,080 --> 01:08:50,280
Speaker 1: good down to brass text here. What was the window

1268
01:08:50,760 --> 01:08:52,679
Speaker 1: after which it became okay to laugh again?

1269
01:08:55,640 --> 01:08:58,559
Speaker 2: I would say, I'm actually am basing this on like

1270
01:08:58,600 --> 01:09:01,400
Speaker 2: pop culture memories of the time. I would say, like

1271
01:09:01,439 --> 01:09:04,639
Speaker 2: around like late October, I feel like after the big

1272
01:09:04,680 --> 01:09:08,120
Speaker 2: concert for New York TV special, I feel like that

1273
01:09:08,200 --> 01:09:12,320
Speaker 2: kind of was like, yeah, the big media event that

1274
01:09:12,400 --> 01:09:16,519
Speaker 2: attempted to offer some form of closure before getting back

1275
01:09:16,520 --> 01:09:20,920
Speaker 2: to normalcy again. I'm I'm making this up, but that's

1276
01:09:21,040 --> 01:09:22,800
Speaker 2: just my sense looking back on it.

1277
01:09:23,479 --> 01:09:27,120
Speaker 1: Well, the highest grossing film of two thousand and two,

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Speaker 1: or the highest grossing comedy, was my big Fact Greek

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01:09:29,840 --> 01:09:34,479
Speaker 1: Wedding I came followed May right, followed shortly April nineteenth

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Speaker 1: of two thousand and two, followed shortly by Austin Powers

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01:09:38,120 --> 01:09:38,960
Speaker 1: in Gold Member.

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01:09:39,360 --> 01:09:41,559
Speaker 2: So oh, these are two thousand and two comedies.

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01:09:42,120 --> 01:09:45,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm thinking about like what what like cinematically two

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01:09:45,000 --> 01:09:47,920
Speaker 1: thousand and one would have been something from earlier in

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01:09:47,960 --> 01:09:51,280
Speaker 1: the year, probably Rush Hour two, Oh well, Shrek may

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01:09:51,439 --> 01:09:55,760
Speaker 1: oh oh yeah, but let's see past release date. Yeah,

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01:09:55,840 --> 01:10:00,360
Speaker 1: Zulander came out September twenty eighth, was in fifty six

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Speaker 1: fifty six of the year. Oh wow, Corky Romano came

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01:10:05,640 --> 01:10:07,080
Speaker 1: out October twelfth.

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Speaker 2: Honestly, that was a big reason that I didn't really

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01:10:10,960 --> 01:10:13,040
Speaker 2: like Zeelander initially was that he reminded me.

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Speaker 1: Of a quartery quirk.

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01:10:15,520 --> 01:10:18,360
Speaker 2: I hate Chris Caatan and I hate Mango, and I

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01:10:18,360 --> 01:10:20,720
Speaker 2: hate all of his characters, and so ben still are

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01:10:20,720 --> 01:10:22,040
Speaker 2: in this kind of seemed like it would have been

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Speaker 2: a Chris Catan character.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I just oh, Monsters, Inc. Came out

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Speaker 1: November two, it's that old holy shit. Yeah. Shallow How

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01:10:30,800 --> 01:10:33,799
Speaker 1: came out November ninth. I would say those were probably

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01:10:33,840 --> 01:10:36,799
Speaker 1: the signals that it was okay to begin the healing.

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Speaker 1: It was Shallow How and Monsters.

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Speaker 2: A nation turns. It's nice to shallow How. Wow, God,

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01:10:48,520 --> 01:10:56,040
Speaker 2: bless you please, this is fair. Rely, this is instructive world.

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01:10:56,040 --> 01:10:59,400
Speaker 2: Ten and Bombs was December, December fourteenth. I'm trying to

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01:10:59,439 --> 01:11:01,760
Speaker 2: think there were no other big comedies that came out well.

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Speaker 2: Christine Taylor later said it was such a hard time

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01:11:04,160 --> 01:11:06,800
Speaker 2: with comedy right after nine to eleven. Laughing might have

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01:11:06,840 --> 01:11:08,720
Speaker 2: been a remedy in the moment, but the truth of

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01:11:08,720 --> 01:11:12,280
Speaker 2: the matter is people weren't ready and Zulander went on

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01:11:12,320 --> 01:11:14,599
Speaker 2: to make only fifteen million over the course of its

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01:11:14,640 --> 01:11:18,320
Speaker 2: opening weekend, which was half the production budget. Ain't great

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Speaker 2: and the timing, in addition to hurting box office numbers,

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01:11:21,520 --> 01:11:24,120
Speaker 2: also made reviewers a little wary of the movie. You know,

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01:11:24,160 --> 01:11:26,640
Speaker 2: it was a New York based film that dealt with terrorism.

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Speaker 2: The Washington Post described it as a quote one joke movie,

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01:11:30,680 --> 01:11:33,320
Speaker 2: while Time Out wrote that it was quote a vanity

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01:11:33,360 --> 01:11:35,519
Speaker 2: comedy that fails at every level.

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Speaker 1: Ooh, and Roger.

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Speaker 2: Reebert, as is his wont was especially hostile. He gave

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Speaker 2: the film one star out of four and opened his

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01:11:44,240 --> 01:11:46,839
Speaker 2: review by saying that zuland Er was evidence of quote

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Speaker 2: why the United States is so hated in some parts

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01:11:49,600 --> 01:11:52,960
Speaker 2: of the world, and it was also especially horrified by

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01:11:53,000 --> 01:11:55,080
Speaker 2: the insensitive portrayal of child labor.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Though he also admitted in his review that Zulander just

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01:11:58,800 --> 01:12:01,240
Speaker 2: might need the victim of Ben timing, which is probably

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01:12:01,320 --> 01:12:04,479
Speaker 2: more closer to the truth. Years later, Ben Stiller claimed

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01:12:04,520 --> 01:12:06,400
Speaker 2: to the Huffington Post that he actually met up with

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01:12:06,520 --> 01:12:10,240
Speaker 2: Roger Ebert, who quote apologized for going overboard in his

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01:12:10,320 --> 01:12:12,960
Speaker 2: review and admitted that he'd grown fond of Zulander in

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Speaker 2: later years.

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Speaker 1: And that's not all.

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Speaker 2: Art House director Terrence Malick of all people, count Zulander

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Speaker 2: as one of his favorite films and included it in

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01:12:23,400 --> 01:12:25,839
Speaker 2: a season of films that he presented to the Philbrook

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Speaker 2: Museum of the Arts in Tulsa.

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Speaker 1: Anything of that, I didn't have Terrence Mallick as the

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01:12:32,800 --> 01:12:35,839
Speaker 1: biggest fan of this, yeah, Dune, Sorry, I guess.

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Speaker 2: Like I say on top of the episode, some of

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01:12:37,760 --> 01:12:41,679
Speaker 2: the biggest snobs I know quit this movie all the time.

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01:12:41,840 --> 01:12:43,479
Speaker 1: They love this movie. It's interesting.

1343
01:12:44,320 --> 01:12:47,120
Speaker 2: But like so many movies we've talked about on the show,

1344
01:12:47,200 --> 01:12:50,559
Speaker 2: Zolander bombed for its theatrical release, but then turned it

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01:12:50,600 --> 01:12:53,880
Speaker 2: around in home video became a cult favorite. As Ben

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01:12:53,960 --> 01:12:57,120
Speaker 2: Stiller told Esquire, people saw it on DVD or cable

1347
01:12:57,240 --> 01:13:00,439
Speaker 2: or satellite, and it became this like rare piece of vinyl.

1348
01:13:00,400 --> 01:13:03,920
Speaker 2: Almost people discovered it and really enjoyed it at home.

1349
01:13:04,320 --> 01:13:05,840
Speaker 2: That's part of the reason I think it's such a

1350
01:13:05,840 --> 01:13:09,120
Speaker 2: beloved movie, because everyone has a personal connection to it.

1351
01:13:10,439 --> 01:13:14,479
Speaker 2: I don't know about the rare vinyl analogy, but and

1352
01:13:14,640 --> 01:13:17,679
Speaker 2: that's all I gotta say about Zulanda. What do you think, Idle?

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Speaker 1: You know, I admire its purity, man, I mean, you

1354
01:13:21,439 --> 01:13:23,760
Speaker 1: know it's I use that line way too much, but

1355
01:13:23,800 --> 01:13:26,439
Speaker 1: it really is. It knows what it is, yes, right,

1356
01:13:26,560 --> 01:13:31,679
Speaker 1: It's not making pretensions or trying to hit above its station.

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01:13:32,600 --> 01:13:35,920
Speaker 1: You know, it's just a great, low stake, silly comedy

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01:13:35,960 --> 01:13:43,240
Speaker 1: that history has proven correct. You know, no notes, as

1359
01:13:43,280 --> 01:13:48,719
Speaker 1: I rarely say, that's true. Yeah, did I have something

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01:13:48,760 --> 01:13:57,280
Speaker 1: to go out on as Donnie Darko once it. Oh boy,

1361
01:13:57,400 --> 01:14:00,719
Speaker 1: just trying to make that work. Nope, nothing. Thanks for listen, folks,

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