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Speaker 1: Welcome to the drive by Dale Allie. He is the

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Speaker 1: Matt Williamson And well it's a Thursday here, Matt sure

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Speaker 1: kicks off week number eleven.

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Speaker 2: I was about to say, I don't think I've been

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Speaker 2: as excited for a Thursday game, or maybe even a

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Speaker 2: primetime game this much since Opening Night.

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Speaker 1: This might be the biggest I was thinking about this

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Speaker 1: in a drive over here today. This might be the

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Speaker 1: biggest weekend in AFC North history history.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 1: Remember the AFC North since it's got paired down, not

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Speaker 1: the AFC Central anymore. With this four team conglomeration here.

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Speaker 1: First of all, when of all four team has been

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Speaker 1: above five hundred this late and season, late season, and

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Speaker 1: they all play each other the same weekend.

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Speaker 2: Right right, I mean it's a huge weekend. I mean

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Speaker 2: it is huge. I mean wow, I mean that's a

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Speaker 2: big statement. You know, my history recollection, I can't come

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Speaker 2: up with a bigger one, of course, but it's gigantic.

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Speaker 1: The repercussions are huge because if Cincinnati loses tonight, Cincinnati

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Speaker 1: might be cooked.

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Speaker 2: They are in big trouble.

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Speaker 1: They'd be one in five in the conference, they'd be

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Speaker 1: zero and three in the division. With the Chiefs on

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Speaker 1: the Chiefs the Jaguars, they gonna come to Pittsburgh, like

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Speaker 1: some tough gamings, Yeah, some tough games on the schedule,

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Speaker 1: So yeah, they would be in.

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Speaker 2: Deep, deep trouble if your team's super healthy. No, like

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Speaker 2: there's a couple of big injuries looming tonight.

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Speaker 1: If the Bengals win this game tonight, then Sunday Steelers

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Speaker 1: Browns game is for first place in the division.

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Speaker 2: And then boy, it's really packed together no matter who

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Speaker 2: wins the steel Brown game, I mean, because then the

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Speaker 2: division gets really condensed.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, So it's definitely something to keep an eye on.

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Speaker 1: It's it's I'm very excited for tonight's game. Yeah, me too,

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Speaker 1: looking here at there was. If you listen to Steeler

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Speaker 1: fans talk, and I understand it's not all Steeler fans

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Speaker 1: but Twitter on some of the local radio shows, that

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Speaker 1: kind of stuff public, there's no possible way that this

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Speaker 1: is the Steelers are in worse shape because Dorihan Thompson

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Speaker 2: I don't quite get that. I mean, I don't think

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Speaker 2: Walker's good. Okay, you're saying Watson.

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Speaker 1: Yeah versus Watson, Oh my god, you know they're there

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Speaker 1: this is a much tougher game now that Dorian Thompson

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Speaker 1: Robinson is style.

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Speaker 2: I would rather face Walker than dtr Yeah, certainly Watson

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Speaker 2: way over both of them. I mean, he's a professional quarterback.

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Speaker 1: He's a professional quarterback.

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Speaker 2: For fifty four first round picks and sixty bizillion dollars

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Speaker 2: a year. No, but he's a professional quarterback, and he's

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Speaker 2: coming off a pretty decent game. He's been around the block.

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's not even close to him.

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Speaker 1: So I did a little research last night, Matt, and

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Speaker 1: what's one of the things that people always say about

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Speaker 1: Bill Belichick and rookie quarterbacks? Of course, who never loses

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Speaker 1: the rookie quarterback market?

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Speaker 2: Down money the bank?

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Speaker 1: Twenty five and eight in his career against rookie quarterbacks.

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Speaker 2: It's outstanding goods. I wonder how many in the last

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Speaker 2: two years of that.

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Speaker 1: Not quite as many. Yeah, and Tua got him I

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Speaker 1: think twice his rookie y. But anyways, I.

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Speaker 2: Think who is the best? I don't think who has

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Speaker 2: makes sense.

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Speaker 1: But twenty five and eight and all you hear if

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Speaker 1: happens that the Patriots are going to face a rookie quarterback.

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Speaker 1: All the stories are about it. Bill Belichick never loses

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Speaker 1: his rookie quarter He'll he'll, you know, he'll really make

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Speaker 1: this hard on the rookie quarterback. Twenty five and eight.

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Speaker 1: The Steelers under Mike Tomlin against rookie quarterbacks are twenty

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's an eight.

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Speaker 1: It's like eighty two percent win percentage. It's one hundred

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Speaker 1: percent better, one hundred percentage points better than the game. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: than what Belichick has done. And so I thought about that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and Lamar, I mean, like some good ones in

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Speaker 2: the division, you know. Right as I was thinking.

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Speaker 1: About that, I'm like, that's a lot like Belichick's been

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Speaker 1: and Tomlin's almost got as many games against rookies against

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Speaker 1: And so I'm like, it's not like.

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Speaker 2: The AFC East has been stalwart. I mean, it's not

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Speaker 1: So I had to I had to dig a little down.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, I'll bet just a hunt here that a

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Speaker 1: lot of those have come against the Browns.

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Speaker 2: Well, they had their share of quarterbacks in Cleveland. Yes,

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Speaker 2: So Sunday's game in first round pick.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and Sunday's game will mark the eighth time since

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Speaker 1: Mike Tomlin has been head coach that the Browns will

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Speaker 1: start a rookie quarterback against the Steelers.

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Speaker 2: Most by design, this one is not.

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Speaker 1: You know, that's basically one every two years, the quarterback

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Speaker 2: That's awful. Here's some of the names. McCoy oh, okay,

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Speaker 2: not even some of the first rounders.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Brandon Whedon, sure, Johnny Manziel, of course, don't forget

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Speaker 1: Then you got maybe the Shawn Kayser twice twice, Okay, yeah,

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Speaker 2: Manzel and Whedon weren't twice my first round pick. Maybe

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Speaker 1: Maybe they had some other guys there that Now there

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Speaker 1: There was a stretch there where Derek Anderson early in

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Speaker 1: Tomlin's career started like four games in a row against.

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Speaker 2: The Steelers, which is an amazing stretch longevity for quarterback.

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Speaker 1: For the long time, he had the most wins in

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Speaker 1: Steelers or in Brown's history at home, and it was

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Speaker 1: like ten beat Ben Ben surpassed him, and then Mayfield

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Speaker 1: finally after a decade, got got a decade.

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Speaker 2: Later, got one of the more. Mind Ben was the

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Speaker 2: most the winningest quarterback in there.

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Speaker 1: He's still the same winning his in their white.

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Speaker 2: Strategy, and Deshaun's up beating them anytime soon. So Watson's

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Speaker 1: In those games, the Steelers are six and one against

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Speaker 1: thousand and eleven or twenty twelve. I'm sorry to Brandon Whedon,

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Speaker 1: twenty eight year old Brandon Whedon, who was at that

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Speaker 2: Roethlisberger been in the league six years.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so Brandon Whedham beat him. He threw for all

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Speaker 1: won the game twenty to fourteen. Twenty to fourteen was

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Speaker 1: was the score of the game. The Steelers in that

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Speaker 1: game fumbled eight times, lost five of them. Charlie Batch

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Speaker 1: started the game, not Ben Roethlisberger, and Charlie Batch threw

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Speaker 1: three interceptions. Wow, everybody remember and I love Charlie, but everybody,

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Speaker 1: Charlie Batch a great backup. He threw three interceptions in

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Speaker 2: You'd rather have had Ben.

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Speaker 1: I think so you might have because you might have

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Speaker 1: overcome the eight fumbles that you had eight.

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Speaker 2: Or maybe only fumble six sives.

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Speaker 1: You're right, eight fumbles and they lost twenty to fourteen.

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Speaker 2: And they was only six point game. Still a one

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Speaker 1: That was the one time that the Browns beat the

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Speaker 1: Steelers with a rookie quarterback. Outside of that, I mean

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Speaker 1: it's been now. McCoy threw for two hundred and eighty

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Speaker 2: I say, I bet there's a ton of turnovers.

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Speaker 1: Manziell through for three hundred and seventy two yards.

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Speaker 1: He had a really good game. One touchdown, one interception,

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Speaker 1: He got sacked six times.

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Speaker 2: Wow. Okay, Cody Kessler, my hunch has Ben was pretty good.

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Speaker 1: Then, Yeah, Cody Kessler was through fo one hundred and

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Speaker 2: Four sacks, a lot of sacks, a lot of turnovers.

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Speaker 1: Kaiser lost the first time twenty one to eighteen, threw

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Speaker 1: The second time around with Kaiser, now this is after

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Speaker 2: Now later in the year, he's seen the Steelers already,

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Speaker 1: There he threw for three hundred and fourteen yards, which

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Speaker 1: And then finally Baker Mayfield in his first game against

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Speaker 2: He beat Barkley, which I thought he shouldn't.

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Speaker 1: He shouldn't have. He threw for one hundred and eighty

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Speaker 2: He took over like week six ish. Yeah, and they

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Speaker 2: been Rookie the year.

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Speaker 1: The one factor that you see their time and time again.

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Speaker 1: Every one of them threw at least one intersection.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of interceptions on that list. Now, we

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Speaker 2: don't know if history is going to repeat itself. We

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Speaker 2: have no clue, but you should learn something from it.

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Speaker 2: You learn from history, right, I mean, this isn't just

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Speaker 1: But if you hear people in Pittsburgh talk, the only

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Speaker 2: They turned the ball over eight times there stripping the

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Speaker 1: And the thing that I remember about that game is

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Speaker 2: And that's what Stroud doing well.

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Speaker 1: And some of those wins, like Bryce Young's one win

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Speaker 1: But they went eight and six with Devlin Hodges and

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Speaker 2: But I do give them credit that they have now

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Speaker 2: best in the league, which is hard to do with

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Speaker 2: a quarterback that's not going to get as many first

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Speaker 2: downs and you know, the points then they'll be still

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Speaker 2: swimming in the head of the water, tread and.

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Speaker 1: Water, and maybe they go five hundred rested away and

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Speaker 1: maybe sneak into the playoffs.

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Speaker 2: Maybe maybe, But this is a huge game for both

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Speaker 2: these teams.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, we're going to get to a break. When we return,

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Speaker 1: we will have the Lord of living in his fears,

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Speaker 1: Bob Labriola join us, as he does every Thursday. He

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Speaker 1: is Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lollie. You're listening to

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Drive. I am Dale Lollie. He

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Speaker 1: is the Matt Williamson and we are joined now by

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Speaker 1: the Lord of Living in his fears. Steelers digest in

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Speaker 1: Steelers dot Com editor Bob Labriola, How are you doing today, Bob?

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Speaker 3: My fears?

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Speaker 5: You know, I mean, this is one of those you know, it's.

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Speaker 3: Just I don't know. I won't say I was feeling

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Speaker 3: good about this game, because you know, I really think

466
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Speaker 3: that this season has taught us that you know, the

467
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Speaker 3: Steelers certainly are capable, but if you're going and thinking

468
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Speaker 3: it's going to be easy, you're you're pretty much wrong.

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Speaker 3: So anyway, but now, you know, I don't know, maybe

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Speaker 3: and maybe I'm giving the Browns too much credit, but

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Speaker 3: this seems to me to be uh similar to what

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Speaker 3: maybe the Michigan Hardballs pulled off at Penn State. You know,

473
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Speaker 3: you lose your coach on a Friday, you rally around,

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Speaker 3: you know, it's it's a it turns into what looks

475
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Speaker 3: like it's going to be, you know, a really a

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Speaker 3: bad turn of events for one team turns out to

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Speaker 3: be a motivational factor for that very thing team. And

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Speaker 3: this is similar to me, the situation seems that it

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Speaker 3: has the potential to be let me be very more specific,

480
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Speaker 3: to be similar to Shaun.

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Speaker 6: Watson played heroically I'm sure in the minds of the

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Speaker 6: Browns players, and that went over the Ravens fourteen for

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Speaker 6: fourteen in the second half with a broken you know, shoulder,

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Speaker 6: and you know, now he's gone.

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Speaker 3: So and the Browns have.

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Speaker 5: A pretty good running team, and they have a pretty

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Speaker 5: good defense, and I think that they could, you know,

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Speaker 5: work up the mindset certainly that they can win this

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Speaker 5: game that way, and you know, so, yeah, I'm nervous

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Speaker 5: about this game.

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Speaker 2: I hear you. I'm curious this division. Dale opened the

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Speaker 2: show by saying, this is one of the biggest weekends

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Speaker 2: in AFC North history and it starts tonight and I'm

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Speaker 2: really looking forward to it. From a feelers perspective, do

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Speaker 2: we want the Ravens or Bengals to win?

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Speaker 3: That's an outstanding question. I really don't know. You know.

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Speaker 2: My thoughts are, if the Bengals lose, we might be

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Speaker 2: able to kind of kick them to the side.

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Speaker 1: How about a tie.

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Speaker 3: I'll tell you what I have seen that that opinion

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Speaker 3: seen and heard that opinion espoused, and I'm sure that

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Speaker 3: there are, you know, mathematical permutations that really indicate that

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Speaker 3: that could be the case. But I don't think. I'm

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Speaker 3: not counting out Joe Burrow yet. I'm just not. And

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Speaker 3: as I've said on you know, this very same program,

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Speaker 3: Joe Burrow is not only a really really good player,

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Speaker 3: but he is the pie piper with those people, fans

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Speaker 3: and teammates alike, and they follow him, they believe in him,

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Speaker 3: and I think that if he and I don't think

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Speaker 3: let's just pretend the Bengals lose tonight. Joe Burrow is

511
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Speaker 3: not gonna quit, no, and so I think that, you know,

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Speaker 3: he could conceivably lift them up to a level of

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Speaker 3: performance where they could win a bunch of games. To

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Speaker 3: whether that's gonna be enough or not, you know, we'll

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Speaker 3: find out. But you know, my my personal opinion, you

516
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Speaker 3: want to get right down to it. I'm rooting against

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Speaker 3: the Ravens. I mean, that's in my d N. A,

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Speaker 3: that's in my DNA. They were the old Browns, They're

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Speaker 3: the Ray Lewis team, the Brian Billick team.

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Speaker 1: I'm rooting against the raven It's all, yeah, it's all.

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Speaker 2: There's no logic, it's just heart and you know, emotion.

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Speaker 2: Huh yeah.

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean for me in terms of who who

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Speaker 3: do I want to win? Yes, and there's another hard

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Speaker 3: bought so uh you know that that and again I

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Speaker 3: don't I don't really I don't really know. I mean,

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Speaker 3: as I said, I haven't really done the arithmetic. It

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Speaker 3: just off the top of my head. I'm not giving

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Speaker 3: up on Burrow and I hate the Ravens now.

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Speaker 2: So if I asked you that about any Ravens game,

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Speaker 2: you're gonna say not the Ravens.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't imagine. Really that's an area where I

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Speaker 3: would be rooting for the other for them to win.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know that I hate anybody more

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Speaker 3: than them, you know, Brady and the Patriots.

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Speaker 5: You know, I think.

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Speaker 3: About that, but probably, you know, you root for you know,

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Speaker 3: a lot of trips by the athletic trainers out onto

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Speaker 3: the field. Let's put it that way as a nice

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Speaker 3: way of putting it. But yeah, yeah, pretty much. Yes,

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Speaker 3: I would say, yes, anybody, but the Raids, not the Birdies.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 1: I told Matt that this was maybe the biggest week

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Speaker 1: in a f a FC North history. I specified that

545
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Speaker 1: because the AFC North hasn't been around all that, you know,

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Speaker 1: in this the way it is now configured with these

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Speaker 1: four teams, because we haven't seen these four teams all

548
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Speaker 1: over five hundred at the same time and then playing

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Speaker 1: each other against each other in the same weekend like this,

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Speaker 1: this late in the season just hasn't happened. You know.

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Speaker 1: Usually there's the Ravens or I'm sorry, the Bengals are bad,

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Speaker 1: you know, in Cleveland and Baltimore are both good, or

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Speaker 1: you know, the Cleveland's bad, and the Bengals and Steel

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Speaker 1: Bengals and Ravens are also good. But for all of

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Speaker 1: them to be at this level at this point in

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Speaker 1: the season, and for this game to be as meaningful

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Speaker 1: that if Cincinnati wins tonight, Sunday's game is for first

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Speaker 1: place in the AFC North as we're heading into mid

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Speaker 1: to late November, I mean, there's there's it's a lot

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Speaker 1: of meaningful football this weekend.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it is. And I don't know, And I'm not

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Speaker 3: trying to stick a pin in your theory because it's

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Speaker 3: it's very valid, and you know you stated and you

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Speaker 3: have the statistics and everything to back it up. No,

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Speaker 3: I'm being serious about that. That's those aren't you know, false,

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Speaker 3: That's not false praise. But I don't know that there's

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Speaker 3: any team any division at this stage of a season

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Speaker 3: that ever has faced the kinds of scenarios that you

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Speaker 3: just portrayed this late the season, because I don't know

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Speaker 3: that any division ever has four teams like these four.

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Speaker 3: And I'm not saying that the best teams in the

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Speaker 3: league are the top teams in the conference or any

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Speaker 3: of that stuff, but their records are very close and

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Speaker 3: AFC North football, and you know, it's just something that

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Speaker 3: I've learned to learned to accept anything can happen. Anybody

576
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Speaker 3: can beat anybody anywhere, and it's not it's a different brand,

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Speaker 3: not only in terms of the style of play, but

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Speaker 3: I also think the relationships among the teams. I don't know,

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Speaker 3: it just seems more personal to me. You know, the

580
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Speaker 3: Bengals still whine about the two thousand and five wild

581
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Speaker 3: Card round games.

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Speaker 1: They still whine about Hinds word breaking, Keith Rivers, jaw.

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, they they whine about the pac Man

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Speaker 3: and Vonte's perfect game where Joey Porters those two knuckleheads

585
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:25,120
Speaker 3: to do something knuckleheads throwing, they needed a few more

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Speaker 3: yards for a field goal.

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Speaker 1: Stupid.

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Speaker 3: You know. The Ravens and the Steelers we know about

589
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 3: you know that history and and vitriol, and you know,

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Speaker 3: I just again, I think that all of the team's

591
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Speaker 3: relationships among them Pittsburgh and Cleveland, even though it's not

592
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 3: been really competitive in terms of wins and losses, but

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Speaker 3: they still have a either a hatred for each other

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Speaker 3: or you know, in some ways the Browns is the

595
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Speaker 3: Browns a little bit of disrespect, the little brother kind

596
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Speaker 3: of attitude towards them. So uh yeah again, I I

597
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 3: just this is this is very unique to the A

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Speaker 3: s C. North, I think, and it would be fun

599
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Speaker 3: if there wasn't so stressful, you know, as you said, uh,

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Speaker 3: there's I'm sure there's a scenario where the outcome of

601
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Speaker 3: the weekend could be very appear to be very bleak

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Speaker 3: for the home or the you know where we are

603
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Speaker 3: right now, home team. When I say home team, the Steelers,

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Speaker 3: I mean there could be a sequence, a series of events,

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Speaker 3: a sequence of things that happened that we're going to

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Speaker 3: be if we were talking again on Monday, the gloom

607
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 3: and doom over the Steelers' chances or outlook or when

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00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 3: you know, however you want to phrase it might not

609
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 3: look very good at all. So yeah, this is a

610
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Speaker 3: big weekend for sure, and you know, I'll uh do

611
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Speaker 3: the best to keep my blood pressure.

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Speaker 1: Alone, labs.

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Speaker 2: This game, Brown Steelers. Is it as simple as most

614
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 2: physical team wins? Or is it as simple as whoever

615
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Speaker 2: makes the most mistakes loses? You know, I mean it

616
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Speaker 2: almost doesn't matter who's out there, you know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the way I would put it is

618
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Speaker 3: and this is a ton of analogy the team that

619
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Speaker 3: commits the few unforced airs. You know, don't hit the

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Speaker 3: ball into the neck kind of thing.

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Speaker 1: Don't don't turn the ball over eight times against Brandon Whedon.

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Speaker 3: Don't right, don't beat yourself And that could be turnovers,

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Speaker 3: that could be other things, but certainly turnovers is usually

624
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Speaker 3: at the top of that list. You know, in terms

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Speaker 3: of how you beat yourself, the most efficient way to

626
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 3: beat yourself in the NFL usually is turnovers. But anything

627
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Speaker 3: related to that, you know, Mike Tomlin refers to it

628
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Speaker 3: as kicking your own butt. I mean, just don't do that,

629
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Speaker 3: and kind of taking this to tangent a little bit.

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Speaker 3: That's why I don't really think farre Must is going

631
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Speaker 3: to have a big impact on Sunday. It looks like

632
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Speaker 3: he's gonna play full participant today. I really think that

633
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 3: I don't know anything. I just have that sense, I

634
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 3: have that feeling with Farnwicks is going to play on Sunday.

635
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Speaker 3: But I wouldn't expect him to have a big impact

636
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Speaker 3: because I don't think any pickets can be throwing the

637
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 3: ball deep down the middle of the field. We're in

638
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 3: the middle of the field a lot period.

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Speaker 1: No, I would agree with that Bob, But I do

640
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Speaker 1: think you need to take some measured shots against these

641
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 1: guys because they are difficult to move the ball against

642
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 1: on a down to down basis. But in that first

643
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 1: game we saw Picket hit the seventy yard pass to

644
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Speaker 1: George Pickens. They've also given up a seventy five yard

645
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 1: pass against the Colts, So they will give up some

646
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Speaker 1: chunk plays. They're just hard to do it against consistently

647
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Speaker 1: and convert first downs and things of that nature.

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Speaker 3: Well, I don't I don't have any problem with your

649
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,960
Speaker 3: contention that you've got to take your shots, but I'm

650
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 3: not doing it to a tight end.

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, that's what I mean.

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Speaker 3: That's why I said, I think that there's a sense

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Speaker 3: among the fandom. I get a feeling that you know this,

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Speaker 3: Uh all I've been hearing you know, all we've been

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Speaker 3: hearing about late or for a while now is why

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Speaker 3: don't they ever use the middle of the field. Okay, now,

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Speaker 3: when Fireman's comes back, I think the expectation, the desire

658
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 3: is going to be to see them go over the middle,

659
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 3: attack the middle of the field in the passing game

660
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 3: often or and or regularly. You know, however, you want

661
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 3: to phrase it, and it's going to be fireman's And

662
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 3: I'm much more deal with your uh description of an approach.

663
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 3: Take some shots, take some shots, and they can be

664
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Speaker 3: over the middle or deep down the middle. But I'm

665
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 3: doing it with pickens. I'm doing with doing it with

666
00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 3: uh guys I consider to be more were playmakers when

667
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 3: the ball is in the air type then a tight

668
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 3: end who you know needs to be open and he

669
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 3: has decent hands for sure, But I'm not throwing him

670
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 3: to fifty to fifty balls against Greg Lussom and Denzel

671
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 3: Ward and those people. I mean, that's that's just to me.

672
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 3: Is is a low, low percentage success rate that way To.

673
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 2: Your point, Bob, I mean, this is probably the most

674
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 2: difficult defense Cleveland's to attack in the middle of the field.

675
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just probably isn't the week that all

676
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 2: of a sudden pickets throwing twenty balls between the numbers, but.

677
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 1: Save them for Cincinnati next week. That's a little league.

678
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 2: But flipping things middle of the field Steeler defense, two

679
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 2: major inside linebacker injuries, I mean, how do you think

680
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 2: that shakes out? What's the remedy for that problem?

681
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 3: You know, I don't know that there is there is

682
00:33:56,200 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 3: a remedy. I think it's you know how insurance adjusters

683
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 3: talk about it, you know, the risk potential or risk

684
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 3: management or whatever it is. I think there's gonna be

685
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 3: some of that, you know, and in that sense I

686
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 3: have hope for because sometimes you can, you know, you

687
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:22,360
Speaker 3: can scheme young quarterbacks. I remember Dick Lebo telling me

688
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 3: some a couple of different times, or this was early

689
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:30,360
Speaker 3: in his first tenure, that you know, sometimes making the

690
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:34,799
Speaker 3: quarterback feel pressure or believe that there is gonna be

691
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 3: pressure is better than sacking him because you can get

692
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 3: him to do things with the ball that you know

693
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 3: sometimes can turn out to be better for you than

694
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 3: just a sack, if you know what I mean. So, uh,

695
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 3: you know, for this particular game, you know this particularly

696
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:57,440
Speaker 3: early in this process in terms of with the inside

697
00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:04,279
Speaker 3: linebacker injuries, you know, I would hope maybe count on

698
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 3: trying to fool this guy a little bit. And I

699
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:10,719
Speaker 3: don't know that you're gonna be able to do it

700
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 3: for the whole game, but again, you just have to

701
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 3: do it a little bit more than they're doing it

702
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 3: to your guy, uh and have him maybe you know,

703
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:22,319
Speaker 3: hit them into the net and uh, you know, you

704
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 3: win the game by you know, with your defense against

705
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 3: their offense. You do it with hopefully some ability to

706
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 3: run the ball, minimize you know, possession short in the game,

707
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:39,440
Speaker 3: all that kind of stuff, and you know, have the

708
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:43,759
Speaker 3: Browns quarterback rookie their offense hit it into the net,

709
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:45,799
Speaker 3: try and do a decent job stop in the run.

710
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:48,719
Speaker 3: You know, again, nothing because none of this is going

711
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:52,919
Speaker 3: to be absolutely I mean, you're not gonna shut down

712
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 3: their run. You're not gonna, you know, totally baffle the quarterback.

713
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 3: You're not gonna any of that stuff. You're not gonna

714
00:35:58,160 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 3: be able to run the ball on them for two

715
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 3: hundred yards. I really don't think that that's a realistic

716
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 3: expectation either. But again, I'm you know, you you mix

717
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:09,319
Speaker 3: and match a little bit of all this stuff and

718
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 3: try and make them make more mistakes, and you know,

719
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:13,920
Speaker 3: you leave there with a win because that's and then

720
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:16,760
Speaker 3: you continue to try and see what you got because

721
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:21,359
Speaker 3: I don't you know, I don't know if Michael uh

722
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 3: came to his last make your deal, I don't know

723
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 3: what he has or doesn't have. UH. So I'm not gonna,

724
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 3: you know, try and label him one thing or the other.

725
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:36,360
Speaker 3: But as I said, uh, I think maybe this was

726
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:40,280
Speaker 3: a wolf. I was in Max talking about losing Shazier.

727
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:43,760
Speaker 3: You know, you guys remember probably the one of the

728
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:46,400
Speaker 3: things that the Steelers tried to do in order to

729
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:48,839
Speaker 3: compensate for that, they went and got Sean Spence again.

730
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 3: You know, he played for them. He was pretty good player.

731
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:55,759
Speaker 3: He had the knee injury that you know, he might

732
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:58,319
Speaker 3: have been Ryan Shazer before Ryan Shazer if he didn't

733
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 3: have that bad knee injury in the preseason finale. You know,

734
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:06,279
Speaker 3: this rookie year. But that wasn't enough. I mean, it

735
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 3: wasn't He wasn't even close to good enough. Yeah, And

736
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 3: so that's that's all I'm saying. I don't know that,

737
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 3: you know, I don't. I don't know that Mark Robinson

738
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:20,279
Speaker 3: is the total solution. You know, Eland and Roberts. You're

739
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 3: gonna have to lean on him a law. Kean O'Neill

740
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 3: is even gonna be healthy enough to play this week?

741
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 3: Can you use Patrick Peterson there? And don't forget you.

742
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 3: I don't think you're gonna have Minca. He did not

743
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:37,360
Speaker 3: practice again today. And I don't know. This is me,

744
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 3: this is me living in my fears too. I don't

745
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 3: want Minca to turn into a fire move trying to

746
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 3: come back. Pops to hamstring again and he's on I

747
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 3: R for four weeks, then you really got problems. So

748
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 3: you know, I think you need the hocus pocus past

749
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 3: the Browns and see where you are for the Bengals,

750
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 3: and you know, maybe you start mixing and matching some things.

751
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 3: I just don't think there's going to be any one

752
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:05,320
Speaker 3: for one substitutions.

753
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:06,399
Speaker 2: I agree, Bob.

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00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:09,920
Speaker 1: We saw turning over to the Steelers offense. You mentioned

755
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 1: the running game last year. They were getting about twenty

756
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:16,400
Speaker 1: to twenty five yards a game rushing out of Kenny Pickett.

757
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:19,320
Speaker 1: We saw him take off a couple times this past

758
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 1: week against Green Bay. Does he need to do more

759
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:24,279
Speaker 1: of that? Get five yards and get down and move

760
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:26,840
Speaker 1: the change?

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00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:30,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, But you know that to me is that's a

762
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 3: fine line too, because I don't want to bailing out

763
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 3: looking for that either.

764
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:35,479
Speaker 1: No, I don't either, But I think there are times

765
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:36,759
Speaker 1: where he could run and he's not.

766
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I understand that, and I think that though that

767
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:44,239
Speaker 3: that falls into the category of things in young quarterback

768
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 3: has to become more comfortable with and learn than telling

769
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:52,279
Speaker 3: him you know, puck it and run more often, or

770
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 3: when you have a you know, because you can say

771
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 3: when you have an opening. I mean, what we think

772
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 3: is an opening, coaching staff thinks is an opening, and

773
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 3: what Picket feels is an opening because maybe he's getting

774
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:08,760
Speaker 3: a little pressure, you know, that could be a totally

775
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:09,399
Speaker 3: different thing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well I say that this week because Jim Schwartz defense.

777
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:15,399
Speaker 1: I mean, they're just get up the field. Just get

778
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:17,840
Speaker 1: up the field. And if that's going to be the case,

779
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:20,359
Speaker 1: if you're able to push some of those guys past

780
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 1: the quarterback, it should open up some lanes.

781
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:26,759
Speaker 3: Yes. Uh, but let me say this too, what we

782
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 3: had seen from Kenny Pickett, I think maybe too much

783
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 3: for my personal pase this season so far is bailing out,

784
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 3: circling out of the park.

785
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely do that.

786
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:40,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, you can turn in a six yard

787
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 3: second to a thirteen yard loss, because if you're doing that,

788
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 3: not think five will run you down. So that's what

789
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 3: I'm saying about, Uh, having a sense of when you

790
00:39:55,800 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 3: actually have an offered option or opportunity to houcket and

791
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 3: run and make a significant game, or the steeling a

792
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 3: little pressure and you try and duck out and make

793
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 3: something happen and you turn a bad play in into

794
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:15,759
Speaker 3: a catastrophic one. So yeah, it's it's the same with sex.

795
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 3: Steelers coach used to say, Deale, it's a fine line.

796
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:21,359
Speaker 1: Oh, it always is, Bob. And we'll see, we'll see

797
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:24,840
Speaker 1: how that works out this weekend. Hopefully you are not

798
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:28,359
Speaker 1: feeling so badly after about four o'clock or four point

799
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:31,439
Speaker 1: thirty on Sunday, and you know, we'll talk again next week.

800
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:33,239
Speaker 1: But that's going to do it for Bob Labriola. Today

801
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:35,920
Speaker 1: we're going to get to another break. He is Matt Williamson.

802
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:38,000
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803
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 1: on Steelers Nation Radio. Bob mentioned that practice report. We'll

804
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 1: have that for you when we come back after the break.

805
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:50,440
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Speaker 1: You're listening to the drive here on Steelers Nation Radio.

817
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:32,799
Speaker 1: We have that practice report. Deontay Johnson back is a

818
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:36,799
Speaker 1: full participant today, not that I'm surprised there. Pat Friarmouth

819
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 1: a full participant today right there. Yeah, I don't think

820
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:41,919
Speaker 1: they had to list him today, but they did.

821
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 2: Okay, good, good.

822
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 1: Then Cam Heyward he didn't practice yesterday. He was limited today.

823
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 1: So three players not practicing. Kean O'Neil with the rib,

824
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:56,240
Speaker 1: Mika Fitzpatrick with the hamstring in Montrevius Adams with the ankle.

825
00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:00,719
Speaker 2: Sounds unlikely on Menca, Yeah, don't look like it's going

826
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 2: to happen. Likely on Adams, who's had a really good year.

827
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 2: But they can make I wouldn't push him back, you know,

828
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 2: considering the d lineman they have. I mean, so I

829
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:10,760
Speaker 2: would rest him. If it's a fifty to fifty decision.

830
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 2: I think Neil's the one to watch.

831
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:16,719
Speaker 1: Neil is the one to watch. For sure. Trenton Thompson

832
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:19,839
Speaker 1: has been getting some snaps this week, and he told

833
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:23,400
Speaker 1: reporters today he expects to be elevated good on Sunday

834
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:26,279
Speaker 1: and that that's a surprise because you know you're you're

835
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:27,759
Speaker 1: still down a safety there.

836
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he played last week. Yeah, so I

837
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 2: have no idea if he's good, bad, or ugly on

838
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 2: special teams.

839
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Speaker 1: But I'm sure, but I would expect this to be

840
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:36,919
Speaker 1: a heavy run game by the Browns anyway, So looking

841
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 1: at Cleveland, yeah, looking at Cleveland's side of things. The linebacker,

842
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:45,239
Speaker 1: they just put first initials here, like I'm supposed to

843
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 1: know who Who's m Adams linebacker for the Browns. I

844
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:50,799
Speaker 1: have no idea special team. Yeah, but he didn't practice today,

845
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 1: he's not injury related. Personal hasn't practiced either day this week.

846
00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:58,720
Speaker 1: David Bell, the wide receiver, was limited for the second

847
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:02,440
Speaker 1: consecutive day with a knee. Graham Delpit back at practice today.

848
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 1: Well he was this is a weird one. So they

849
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 1: listed not injury related rest Camas shoulder. Which is it.

850
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 2: It can't be injury with a shoulder.

851
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:13,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, so he was limited today even though he was

852
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:14,400
Speaker 1: resting yesterday.

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00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 2: Okay, whatever. He's a good player and he's important for that.

854
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:20,799
Speaker 1: Yeah. Michael Dunn with the the guard, he was a

855
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:23,759
Speaker 1: full participant again today. Uh he's coming back off I.

856
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:25,839
Speaker 2: R Yeah, I don't think he's played in a while.

857
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, so see if he's able to get back. Marqui

858
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:32,280
Speaker 1: Scobun with the concussion. The wide receiver, he did not practice.

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Speaker 2: I think done. Would probably be their sixth though lineman

860
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 2: that yeah, for this matchup.

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00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, Daywon Jones was did not practice yesterday. Their right tackle,

862
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 1: he was limited today.

863
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 2: He's the one to watch for them. I think.

864
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:46,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, that's a knee for him, so that

865
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 1: that's that's a lot of weight on that's a weight

866
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 1: on that knee, and if he's leaning one way or

867
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Speaker 1: the other, that's not good. Greg Newsom with the groin injury.

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Speaker 1: He was limited yesterday. He was a full participant today.

869
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 1: The cornerback David and Joe Oku was limited today. He

870
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 1: was the same thing. Not injuryrelated rest but a knee

871
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 1: but still not practicing in full.

872
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 2: He also stills those burns on his face. I mean,

873
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 2: I hope that's I wonder if that prohibits things or

874
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:14,360
Speaker 2: whatever at this point.

875
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 1: Uh, heck, here we go again with this oker wonkwoh

876
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 1: okerk ram Wonko. Did I get that right?

877
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know if I get it.

878
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 2: When I hear it, I can say if it's right.

879
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:26,759
Speaker 2: I don't think I heard it right.

880
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 1: OK, that's pretty good. O kankwo. How about that?

881
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 3: Uh?

882
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:32,839
Speaker 1: He was limited again today with a groin. He's one

883
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 1: of their edge rushers.

884
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, mostly third down. Yeah.

885
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:38,560
Speaker 1: Pierre Strong with the hamstring, was a full participant. Wyatt Teller.

886
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:42,239
Speaker 1: Their guard was back as a full participant today after

887
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:43,840
Speaker 1: not practicing yesterday with the ankle.

888
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:44,560
Speaker 2: Huge for them.

889
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 1: One Thornhill did not practice.

890
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:48,360
Speaker 2: I say that's one to keep an eye on.

891
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 1: That's a calf injury for him.

892
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:51,439
Speaker 2: He didn't play last week. I don't think.

893
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:52,080
Speaker 1: Yeah.

894
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 2: Thornhill and Dwan Jones seems to be the ones that are. Yeah,

895
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 2: it's tenuous.

896
00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 1: Yeah. Denzel Ward, the cornerback, was a full part. Twent

897
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:02,840
Speaker 1: spent today with the neck after not practicing yesterday.

898
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 2: So their corners are intact.

899
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 1: And then the defensive end right is an Anthony Wright.

900
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 1: I can't he was the rookie out of Missouri. I think, No,

901
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:13,440
Speaker 1: that's a different guy. Different guy's the defensive end. Anyways,

902
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:16,359
Speaker 1: he was a full today down the roster guy. But

903
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 1: they got a lot of their important guys back today.

904
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 1: But they're still nicked up and still no one thing. Yeah,

905
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 1: still no one.

906
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:26,919
Speaker 2: Thornhill, Yeah, Thornhill, Jones. There's ones I would be most

907
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 2: paying attention to and.

908
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 1: Delt but still limited. I mean, not out of the

909
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:31,839
Speaker 1: woods yet.

910
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:35,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so they're a little lighted safety. Oh on

911
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:37,400
Speaker 2: all their their defense is pretty well intact though, I

912
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 2: mean they've been successful without Thornhill, and the tackle situation

913
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:43,279
Speaker 2: is the one that's worriesome.

914
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:45,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. If you if you look at it,

915
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:48,480
Speaker 1: matt I mentioned that seventy yard pass completion thing was

916
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:50,720
Speaker 1: seventy two yards or whatever. It was seventy one yards

917
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:54,919
Speaker 1: to George Pickens in the UH in the first game

918
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:59,879
Speaker 1: for the Steelers against the Browns. If you look at it,

919
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 1: the Steelers actually had one of the more were one

920
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 1: of the better days this season throwing the ball against

921
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:08,480
Speaker 1: the Browns defense.

922
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:12,480
Speaker 2: I think they might have the most yardage allowed.

923
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm looking at that now here in terms of.

924
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 2: I think that's the most passing yards the Browns gave

925
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:19,279
Speaker 2: up all years.

926
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 1: Well, they gave they So the last couple of weeks here,

927
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:24,800
Speaker 1: they gave up two hundred and eighty eight passing yards

928
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 1: to the Colts.

929
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:28,719
Speaker 2: Did they. Okay, then I'm wrong about that, but.

930
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 1: That's a lot of sideways stuff.

931
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:30,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah them.

932
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:33,799
Speaker 1: They also gave up a seventy five yard catch in

933
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 1: that game, good day. Yeah, that was the Josh Dollens. Okay,

934
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:40,239
Speaker 1: they let a big one to the following week, they

935
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:42,920
Speaker 1: gave up two hundred and forty eight passing yards to

936
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:46,920
Speaker 1: the Seahawks. Okay, and then this past week they gave

937
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 1: up two hundred yards to the Ravens. So the Ravens

938
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 1: and Steelers are tied for third for the most passing

939
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:56,319
Speaker 1: yards against them at two hundred. They gave up though

940
00:46:56,440 --> 00:47:00,279
Speaker 1: sixty seven passing yards to the Bengals, and we one,

941
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:02,120
Speaker 1: we know the Bengals weren't the Bengals.

942
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 2: That No, I throw that one out too. They were

943
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 2: a mess.

944
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:09,240
Speaker 1: Week three against Tennessee. They gave up sixty eight passing

945
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 1: yards to a quarterback who's no longer starting.

946
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:11,920
Speaker 2: So that's stannae Hill.

947
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:12,680
Speaker 1: That was Tanny Hill.

948
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:12,880
Speaker 3: Right.

949
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:16,040
Speaker 1: Then they gave up one hundred and seven passing yards

950
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:18,400
Speaker 1: in that game against San Francisco.

951
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 2: Wow, that's it.

952
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was one hundred and seven if you if

953
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 1: you remember that game, it rained the entire game. Weather

954
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 1: was a factor.

955
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:27,480
Speaker 3: Uh.

956
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:30,279
Speaker 1: And then they gave up seventeen passing yards to the

957
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals seventeen seventeen.

958
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:37,360
Speaker 2: That was the Clayton Tone game. Yeah, Clayton wasn't Murray

959
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:40,359
Speaker 2: or right. Yeah, so you had no business being out

960
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:40,719
Speaker 2: there either.

961
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 1: They Yes, they've had some really good pass defense games,

962
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:47,920
Speaker 1: but that's but they've had some ones. And so I

963
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:50,440
Speaker 1: expect Kenny Pickett in the passing game to produce around

964
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:51,640
Speaker 1: two hundred yards in this game.

965
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 2: And as you mentioned, I mean I think Steelers Indie

966
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 2: Ravens all hit a big one on them.

967
00:47:57,239 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 3: Yeah.

968
00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:00,440
Speaker 2: Well, you play as much man as they do with

969
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:03,239
Speaker 2: a single high safety. You know, you live by this

970
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:03,880
Speaker 2: sord you die by.

971
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:06,319
Speaker 1: It's kind of my thing with Bob two with with

972
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:08,560
Speaker 1: if they're going to play a lot of man against you,

973
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 1: and then the pass rushers are going to get up

974
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 1: field as quickly as they can. That's going to open

975
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 1: up some running lanes and the defensive backs have their

976
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:15,440
Speaker 1: back to the quarterback.

977
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:17,919
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I'm with you on I'd like to see

978
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:19,839
Speaker 2: pick it get thirty rushing yards.

979
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, he like twenty five thirty rushing yards in this game.

980
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:22,720
Speaker 1: That could be huge.

981
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, And he's had his his share of woes, don't

982
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:28,200
Speaker 2: get me wrong, but I think he has gotten better

983
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:32,800
Speaker 2: in terms of unnecessary movement in the pocket, dropping his eyes,

984
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:34,920
Speaker 2: pure wedding and doing some stuff.

985
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:37,279
Speaker 1: He hasn't done. Yeah, he's not drifting out of the

986
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:38,160
Speaker 1: pocket quite as much.

987
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 2: He's stepping up in more yeah than he did, and

988
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:42,879
Speaker 2: therefore you should be able to see lanes better and

989
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:46,359
Speaker 2: you know, act accordingly. And he is a very good runner. Yeah,

990
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:48,399
Speaker 2: That's that's something that baffles me a little bit because

991
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:50,719
Speaker 2: he was eighth or ninth or something like that and

992
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:53,359
Speaker 2: scramble percentage last year and very effective with it.

993
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:55,320
Speaker 1: Well if we saw him do some last week against

994
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:57,759
Speaker 1: Green Bay. So maybe they're starting to get that back

995
00:48:57,800 --> 00:48:58,279
Speaker 1: into the game.

996
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:00,239
Speaker 2: I hope. So, I mean, I'm sure he's all he's

997
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:02,640
Speaker 2: had the green light to do it, but maybe they're saying, hey,

998
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 2: maybe you don't realize you haven't done very much of it.

999
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 1: You study yourself and that's what's why you don't see

1000
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:09,400
Speaker 1: those spin moves and things that you don't see that

1001
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:12,359
Speaker 1: as often now because he's They said, hey, look, you're

1002
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:13,920
Speaker 1: doing this a lot, let's not do it as much

1003
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:15,279
Speaker 1: because teams are not playing for it.

1004
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 2: But I'd like to see rushing yards out of him

1005
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:18,839
Speaker 2: for sure.

1006
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:21,200
Speaker 1: Absolutely, we're gonna get to another break. We'll be back

1007
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:23,440
Speaker 1: with our number two of the drive right after this.

1008
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:26,319
Speaker 1: He is Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lallie. We'll talk

1009
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:27,440
Speaker 1: to you on the other side of the break.