Speaker 1: Also media. Hello, and welcome to it Could Happen Here
Speaker 1: podcast about things falling apart and people putting them back together.
Speaker 1: I am back. After a lengthy court battle, have been
Speaker 1: allowed to return to the podcast, which I'm very grateful for.
Speaker 1: And I'm joined today by John and Haval, two friends
Speaker 1: of mine who volunteer out here in Cucumber a lot,
Speaker 1: a lot more than I do. And we're going to
Speaker 1: explain some developments sort have happened, give you all an
Speaker 1: update on the situation here and let you know how
Speaker 1: you could help. So welcome to the show, both of you.
Speaker 2: Hello, thank you going to be back.
Speaker 1: Yeah, welcome back. If you'd like to just introduce yourselves,
Speaker 1: like your name, like whatever role you play out here, pronouns,
Speaker 1: and any affiliation with any organization you feel is relevant.
Speaker 3: So my name is John. I'm someone that lives in
Speaker 3: the area. This situation just kind of showed up in
Speaker 3: my backyard. I was kind of forced into it rather
Speaker 3: than volunteer into it, and I've been dealing with it
Speaker 3: NonStop since the beginning. Yeah, I'm one of the main
Speaker 3: sets of booths on the ground.
Speaker 4: Have all I used, they them pronouns, and I organized
Speaker 4: with direct Action Drumline and Zene Distro doing a lot
Speaker 4: of mutual aid, which is how I got involved in
Speaker 4: all this, and also with Alocholato helping out on the
Speaker 4: ground since the beginning with John, pretty much just a
Speaker 4: little after John started.
Speaker 1: So yeah, so that's what nearly six months, so if
Speaker 1: you're not counting me, yeah, yeah, wow, yeah.
Speaker 3: So yeah, it started in May and then it stopped
Speaker 3: during the summertime. It picked up again in September, and
Speaker 3: we've been dealing with it NonStop since then.
Speaker 1: People will have heard briefly from John's Faber sam In
Speaker 1: in our May episodes about title forty two, which we did. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it seems like forever ago. Also doesn't seem like very
Speaker 1: long ago. It's just one big weird collapsing of time.
Speaker 1: So last time we spent last time with HAVAL, we
Speaker 1: had this situation where we had three distinct concrete camps
Speaker 1: right adjacent to gaps in the wall, which volunteers were
Speaker 1: servicing with food, water, warm blankets, were building shelters, and
Speaker 1: we've heard a lot about those camps. Does one of
Speaker 1: you guys want to explain how things have changed since then,
Speaker 1: and really particularly in the last six weeks.
Speaker 3: So yeah, it's changed quite radically. Actually, So between the
Speaker 3: months of September and December, we were servicing these three
Speaker 3: camps kind of more or less in our immediate area.
Speaker 3: It was pretty straightforward. Our routine would consist of stopping
Speaker 3: at each camp two times a day and feeding people,
Speaker 3: providing them with all the different things that the US
Speaker 3: government was not and I kind of wish things were
Speaker 3: simpler like they were back then. Yeah, So at the
Speaker 3: end of the month of December, Secretary Blinken made a
Speaker 3: visit to Mexico, and I suspect that he pressured the
Speaker 3: Mexican government to police our border for US. One of
Speaker 3: the immediate changes that we saw as a result of
Speaker 3: that was the foundation of two Mexican National Guard camps
Speaker 3: at two of the gaps that feed into those camps
Speaker 3: in our area, and that has basically stopped any people
Speaker 3: coming through those areas. This has not made any less
Speaker 3: people come into the country. Actually, the numbers have been
Speaker 3: fairly consistent. It's just that people have been forced to
Speaker 3: go in through other areas. So there have been many
Speaker 3: many new oads that have popped up west of US.
Speaker 3: We have to drive quite a bit further towards San
Speaker 3: Diego to go and service those areas, the main one
Speaker 3: being Sliders, which we're seeing about two hundred people come
Speaker 3: in sometimes in a night. It's not a good scene.
Speaker 3: Whereas those three ones that were originally servicing had dumpsters
Speaker 3: and porta potties at the very least, Yeah.
Speaker 2: They still do.
Speaker 3: They still still there exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, moving at the speed of government.
Speaker 3: The new ones don't have that, and people are having
Speaker 3: to spend Well, how long were the people there most
Speaker 3: during that crazy, crazy time, just like a few days ago.
Speaker 3: I think they were up They were there for up
Speaker 3: till like nineteen hours.
Speaker 1: Yeah, going on a day right now. Yeah, because we
Speaker 1: first to backtrack to people, like we we heard from
Speaker 1: a member of the community that there have been people
Speaker 1: seen held there right at Sliders, And then we went
Speaker 1: out there and we kept finding like warm fires, like
Speaker 1: where people hope clearly been there and built fires. We
Speaker 1: could see where people have scavenged to brush, and a.
Speaker 2: Lot of documents ripped up around there, the Mill Hill signs.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, all these signs until we were able to
Speaker 1: use that to suppose that that was a place where
Speaker 1: people were and then I guess was it eventually someone
Speaker 1: stayed the night there and that was what we bumped
Speaker 1: into people there. Someone bumped into people there.
Speaker 3: Well, we have an acquaintance that's been very helpful towards
Speaker 3: the cause that lives just close by to there, and
Speaker 3: he's kind of one of the one that sounded the alarm.
Speaker 1: And from there, it's like you said, it's a lot
Speaker 1: more difficult, right, Like it's probably a thirty minute drive.
Speaker 1: It's a steep off road, so like when it rains,
Speaker 1: it's hard to get to. So that makes it more
Speaker 1: difficult for us to provide stuff for people there. And like,
Speaker 1: I guess people should realize that we didn't find out
Speaker 1: about this because Border Patrol called us and said like, hey,
Speaker 1: there are people here without food, water show don't do that.
Speaker 1: But yeah, that's not the thing that they do.
Speaker 4: We actually did one another volunteer, Brendan and I were
Speaker 4: driving out and we stopped on the road. I don't
Speaker 4: think you were with us, John, but we started talking
Speaker 4: to one of the agents because there was two or
Speaker 4: a group of people from I think Egypt. That was
Speaker 4: the day everyone did the mass exodus from one seven seven.
Speaker 4: So we stopped and we're talking to one of the
Speaker 4: agents and he did slip that there was another camp.
Speaker 4: He didn't name it, didn't say where it was, he
Speaker 4: just said it was that way. And that was around
Speaker 4: the same time that Morgan had mentioned it to us.
Speaker 4: So it's you know, we kind of pulled it out
Speaker 4: of this agent because we were talking very nonchalantly with
Speaker 4: him and he was being generally nice.
Speaker 2: But yeah, they don't tell us about this stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we have to find him myself. And what
Speaker 1: I think that brings up is that there are potentially more,
Speaker 1: right we think, we know for a fact there are.
Speaker 1: We know that there are more. And like I think
Speaker 1: it's obviously people and people think of California and they
Speaker 1: think of LA and they think of San Diego and
Speaker 1: they think of the beach and like pleasant weather. But
Speaker 1: can you explain, like it's been really cold out here.
Speaker 1: I'm pretty miserable right with the wet weather we've been having.
Speaker 3: This is a pretty unknown part of southern California. You know,
Speaker 3: we're a mountainous region just just east of San Diego,
Speaker 3: within San Diego County. It's I mean it's not it's
Speaker 3: not crazy high, it's you know, it's about on an
Speaker 3: average of three thousand and four thousand feet above sea level.
Speaker 3: But yeah, it gets very windy over here, gets very unpleasant.
Speaker 3: It often drops down to freezing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's if you're out there all night and
Speaker 1: you have any shelter and anyway to get warm, and
Speaker 1: you're potentially wet from crossing a river or crossing a
Speaker 1: stream that often pops up in the desert, can be
Speaker 1: a really miserable situation. So, like, it's important that these
Speaker 1: people receive help. And right now it's just through word
Speaker 1: of mouth and the local community that we're able to
Speaker 1: find them right and give them their help.
Speaker 3: Yep. Yeah, So.
Speaker 1: Going forward, like we've seen like this movement of migration west,
Speaker 1: what does that mean for the ability of volunteers to
Speaker 1: provide services to migrants and what does it mean for
Speaker 1: the safety Like you said that the push factors haven't changed, right,
Speaker 1: So people are still coming here. They still have things
Speaker 1: to get away from that lead them to come here,
Speaker 1: but they're not coming the same way where we could
Speaker 1: so easily help them in these three concrete sites.
Speaker 3: So like what does that mean, Well, it's takes a
Speaker 3: lot more time out of our day just to drive there.
Speaker 3: For one, the main one sliders is up a very
Speaker 3: shitty road.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So I think they call it sliders because it's so
Speaker 4: muddy and slidy over there when you're trying.
Speaker 1: To be Yeah, I put someone's head into the roof
Speaker 1: of my trucks. That's so long ago.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And uh, you know, we're not the only ones
Speaker 3: that are displeased with this. It's more it makes the
Speaker 3: life for the border patrol more difficult, makes life for
Speaker 3: the emergency medical services more difficult, and of course it
Speaker 3: makes life for the migrants more miserable. And the owner
Speaker 3: of the property and the owners of the property in
Speaker 3: which they're hosting these you know, detaining these migrants.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think if every single one has been on
Speaker 1: private property so far, right, and I think we spoke
Speaker 1: to most of the property owners at this point, and
Speaker 1: it just seems to come out of the blue at them.
Speaker 1: It's a very.
Speaker 3: Strange permission has never sought.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think I know one of them is
Speaker 1: suing the Border Patrol for it, but fake months. But
Speaker 1: obviously it does have an impact on a landscape as well.
Speaker 1: People understand to be a coal so they're cutting down
Speaker 1: whatever they can to burn to make shelter, to make
Speaker 1: their experience a little bit less miserable.
Speaker 3: So that's the Yeah, that's that's kind of a bargaining
Speaker 3: tool that we try and use when trying to convince
Speaker 3: the property owners to allow us to build shelters over there.
Speaker 3: It's just to try and convince them that it'll be
Speaker 3: good for them to have migrants not be in a
Speaker 3: position to be forced to have to cut down the
Speaker 3: vegetation on their land and trash their land, and you know,
Speaker 3: by allowing us to build shelters on their property and
Speaker 3: give firewood to the to the to the migrants that
Speaker 3: are being held on their property, it's better for them
Speaker 3: in the long run. Yeah.
Speaker 4: And the first time we went out there, they had
Speaker 4: created these shelters by just ripping brush and creating these
Speaker 4: like semi circles that were maybe about a foot or.
Speaker 3: Some of them are very impressive.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, like two three feet high, and it was nice,
Speaker 4: you know, and enclosed, so they had some sort of shelter.
Speaker 4: But yeah, they had to rip all that from the
Speaker 4: vegetation around the area, which just ruins the ecosystem there,
Speaker 4: I'm sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it must tear up your hands as well.
Speaker 1: It list of storny bushes and stuff. Yeah, it's it's
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Speaker 1: going to talk about the way John being very local
Speaker 1: to Hacumber, right, how it is like organizing in a
Speaker 1: rural community, and the way that obviously you have people
Speaker 1: of very disparate political leanings in the area, and like
Speaker 1: how you've managed to like phrase what we're doing and
Speaker 1: to organize in such a way that the very least
Speaker 1: people aren't like actively pissed off at you.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So, first of all, I'm a Quaker, come from
Speaker 3: a Quaker family, and first and foremost I am doing
Speaker 3: this for religious reasons, and I like to try and
Speaker 3: remind people of that. So when people try and come
Speaker 3: at me with high immigrants sentiment, I just try and
Speaker 3: remind them that you know, this is this is basically
Speaker 3: what you're supposed to do according to the Bible. And
Speaker 3: you know, to hate on any of these people is
Speaker 3: very Unchristian. And when I do so, it's very hard
Speaker 3: for them to come at me with any of that stuff.
Speaker 3: But still yes, for the most part, the community over
Speaker 3: here have not been very helpful towards this. They have
Speaker 3: not been very enthused with all these migrants coming in,
Speaker 3: and you know, they've been very regrettably misinformed about it all.
Speaker 3: They're still looking at various crazy sources for their news,
Speaker 3: like YouTube channels and stuff like that, and it's kind
Speaker 3: of kind of hard to believe. It's like, you guys
Speaker 3: live in the area. You can just drive straight out there.
Speaker 3: You can talk to me a person that you guys know,
Speaker 3: yet you still choose to look up all these various
Speaker 3: whack jobs on YouTube.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, we've had something of a problem with the
Speaker 1: YouTube people. Right, there's a whole info a whole ecosystem
Speaker 1: of right wing you tubers that I think probably most
Speaker 1: folks don't know about, even if you take an interest
Speaker 1: in other like right wing conspiracy stuff, as a whole
Speaker 1: ecosystem of right wing border YouTubers who have been I mean,
Speaker 1: describe what you've seen, right, We've had like a new
Speaker 1: right wing fascist out every day.
Speaker 4: It seems there's Oreo Express, Anthony Aguero has been out here,
Speaker 4: JLR Investigation JLR.
Speaker 3: Roger Ogden was out here the other day classic. It's
Speaker 3: kind of calmed down though in the last last couple
Speaker 3: of days. But there was a period in late February
Speaker 3: where it seemed like they were coming out every single day.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just a different guy in a different lifted jeep.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly just after that whole border what.
Speaker 1: Was it that take back our Border?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I got them all rouled up to come out
Speaker 3: of Actually, what really set them off to be aware
Speaker 3: of all of this is when Fox did their big
Speaker 3: piece out here and they were out here for multiple days. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's what kind of like turned on the tap.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's very common anyway you go on the border, right,
Speaker 1: Like Fox has a border report to Bill Malugan. People
Speaker 1: will be familiar with Bill Malugan from publishing a story
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty which suggested the police officer had a
Speaker 1: tampon used tampon put in his Starbucks coffee, which was
Speaker 1: demonstrably false and didn't really very much look like a tampon.
Speaker 1: You can google more about that if that's interesting to you.
Speaker 1: But like someone who preps should have lost their journalistic
Speaker 1: credibility at that point. It's now doing border reporting for Fox.
Speaker 1: And this is like when I speak to people all
Speaker 1: along the border right here, Arizona, Texas. Yeah, the stuff
Speaker 1: that Fox puts out very strongly correlates with anti migrant sentiment,
Speaker 1: both both locally and with like these these folks coming
Speaker 1: in and streaming, and they're always asking for donations, right,
Speaker 1: Like it's not a then they're they're not like advert
Speaker 1: funded or like publicly funded like that, they're funded by
Speaker 1: donations for what.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I forget the channel there Aguero is on,
Speaker 4: but he's constantly asking for the nations.
Speaker 3: And like, oh, thank you, you just dropped ten dollars,
Speaker 3: thank you for the five spot.
Speaker 2: Other of like they're sitting in his car.
Speaker 3: That's that's what their grift. That's what they're out there for.
Speaker 3: Every It seems like a third of their broadcast time
Speaker 3: is spent asking for donations.
Speaker 1: Right yeah. Yeah, it's like a like a charity stream,
Speaker 1: except it's the opposite of charity, I guess exactly, so
Speaker 1: pay me to do hateful things streams. Yeah, And I
Speaker 1: think like that as we get as we look between
Speaker 1: now and November, I think it's really important that like
Speaker 1: the border will be a topic that people who never
Speaker 1: come to the border will argue about constantly between now
Speaker 1: and November, right, Fox News will have reporting on it,
Speaker 1: NBC will have reporting on it, like and both of
Speaker 1: them will have reporting that isn't anchored on what we
Speaker 1: see every single day out here, which is whateverariety of
Speaker 1: people from all over the world who are having a
Speaker 1: very difficult time right here and need a help, right
Speaker 1: and we're doing what we can to help them. So
Speaker 1: I guess what, like people who are listening to this
Speaker 1: will in the next I don't know how long it
Speaker 1: is to a November, what six months, they'll have conversations
Speaker 1: with their family members, with their friends, with people in bars, whatever,
Speaker 1: regarding the border. What do you think they should know about,
Speaker 1: like what we're seeing and like what because there's this
Speaker 1: whole border invasion narrative, right, and like, this is not
Speaker 1: an invasion. We were just out joking with some people
Speaker 1: and helping them get the firewood prepped, Like these people
Speaker 1: are not a threat.
Speaker 3: I think people often make the mistake of considering this
Speaker 3: issue to be a political issue. It really is just
Speaker 3: a humanitarian issue. Vast majority of the people that I've
Speaker 3: talked to have very legitimate reasons for needing to come
Speaker 3: into this country, whether they're from Ecuador, you know, you
Speaker 3: know the situation over there recently there were gangsters that
Speaker 3: took over a TV station right, Or in Guatemala, where
Speaker 3: I spoke to a man who told me that his
Speaker 3: children with college degrees can make enough family money to
Speaker 3: feed their families. Or even in Afghanistan where people have
Speaker 3: literally had the talib and threatened their families' lives.
Speaker 2: The same with and the Iatola escaping, all.
Speaker 3: The Kurdish people in Turkey. I mean, the list goes on,
Speaker 3: or you know, climate refugees like the Mauritanians that we
Speaker 3: just spoke with earlier. Yes, they're they're coming, and they
Speaker 3: have really reasonable grounds for asylum over here.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it wouldn't be such an quote unquote invasion
Speaker 4: if they were just allowed to walk through the port
Speaker 4: of entry. This it's this process is so silly because
Speaker 4: they cross They could just do this all at the
Speaker 4: port of entry.
Speaker 2: They really could be safe. The policies just choose not
Speaker 2: to do this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the part that really doesn't make sense, is
Speaker 3: like we're letting them in anyways, Why do we need
Speaker 3: to make their lives so uncomfortable you know and dangerous?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 3: Dangerous?
Speaker 1: I mean, John, you and I were on a water
Speaker 1: drop maybe two months ago, now six weeks ago in
Speaker 1: slightly west of here, right, Yeah, do you remember we
Speaker 1: were driving down to where we're going to get off
Speaker 1: and we met that family from Guinea. There was like,
Speaker 1: do you you want to just describe what you saw
Speaker 1: because I think it was like, at least for me,
Speaker 1: there was like I've seen it a lot, but it
Speaker 1: still emotionally affected me, so that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there was a there was a Guinean woman and
Speaker 3: her kid. I think he might have been like what
Speaker 3: four or something three? Three? Yeah, and uh, and there
Speaker 3: was also a Nigerian woman and you know, Nigerian speak
Speaker 3: English and Guineans speak French. They weren't really able to
Speaker 3: communicate with one another, and yet they were still traveling
Speaker 3: side by side because they they just teamed up because
Speaker 3: they were in a desperate situation together. One of them
Speaker 3: was was she and sandals. One of them didn't have
Speaker 3: shoes tois didn't have shoes at all. Right, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: it's six weeks is a long time, you know what
Speaker 3: you're doing this?
Speaker 1: Yeah, well you see horrible things every day.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's been a very eventful time. Yeah, every day
Speaker 3: feels like a news story. Yeah, and they just kind
Speaker 3: of sat on the side of the road and were
Speaker 3: out of breath, and they were just basically asking us
Speaker 3: to help them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember the little girl, but because we were
Speaker 1: obviously concerned with the lady who didn't have shoes and
Speaker 1: trying to help like bandage her feet and stuff. But
Speaker 1: then I remember the little girl just wasn't saying anything,
Speaker 1: and I suddenly realized, oh, this little girl is probably
Speaker 1: very cold. She was like, you know, early, like mildly hypothermic. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So I had her wrapped up in a little mylaud
Speaker 1: blanket with me to warm her up, and it's just
Speaker 1: I don't know, it just for one reason or another,
Speaker 1: that was a moment where I was like, why on
Speaker 1: earth are we doing this to a three year old?
Speaker 1: Like what possible reason could there be this three year
Speaker 1: old girl to have hypothermia here in like the richest country.
Speaker 3: In the world. Who could possibly agree that this is
Speaker 3: a good thing?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Or another experience I had in the beginning of
Speaker 3: February where there was this Colombian man who was in
Speaker 3: tears who approached me and told me that his daughter
Speaker 3: was very very ill, and he dragged me over to
Speaker 3: a porta potty and she was there bundled up with
Speaker 3: like nine blankets or something, not really responding to my questions.
Speaker 3: He was trying to contact nine to one one, but
Speaker 3: the responder on a nine to one one or the
Speaker 3: dispatcher didn't speak Spanish, so I had to communicate with
Speaker 3: them and navigate the whole situation. Turns out she did
Speaker 3: have hypothermia. Yeah, but the ambulance would not take him
Speaker 3: along with the mother and the child to the hospital.
Speaker 3: So again it's another case of family separation. Who knows
Speaker 3: what might have happened. They would have gotten processed separately.
Speaker 3: He could have ended up in Louisiana and she could
Speaker 3: have ended up in Riverside or somewhere.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And at that point, once again, it's not the
Speaker 1: government or your taxes that will pay for those people
Speaker 1: to be reunified. Right lately, that's work that's done by
Speaker 1: NGOs and moderntary organizations exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, despite the.
Speaker 1: Massive amount of money we spend on And we were
Speaker 1: just talking the other day about how the architectural marvel
Speaker 1: of sections of the border wall right where they've poured
Speaker 1: concrete at like a forty five plus degree angle and
Speaker 1: spent millions of dollars for every yard that and we
Speaker 1: don't have enough money to give this three year oldue
Speaker 1: out a blanket or to get that family back together.
Speaker 3: It's pathetic, it's it's yeah, it's mind boggling.
Speaker 2: Yeah, even today with that dude from Brazil.
Speaker 4: He came up to me when we first got here
Speaker 4: there was starving, wanted food, water, and he was like,
Speaker 4: I'm sick, I have a fever. So I hooked him
Speaker 4: up with some cold medicine that we had in our medkit,
Speaker 4: and then later when we went back to do the
Speaker 4: second round of feeding, he got more food and he
Speaker 4: was like, thank you so much.
Speaker 2: We're starving.
Speaker 4: We were told to when we were dropped off to
Speaker 4: wait in the mountains at six pm to six am,
Speaker 4: so they were just hadn't really I don't know if
Speaker 4: they were on the American side yet or how that worked.
Speaker 4: Didn't really describe it, but had to wait in the
Speaker 4: mountains before crossing, and so people are getting sick out there.
Speaker 4: We ran into that dude with the dog bite at
Speaker 4: at one seven seven. He was just so we always
Speaker 4: go check this one camp because there hasn't been out
Speaker 4: since Squaddi and Snal have put their camp on the
Speaker 4: other side. There hadn't been a whole lot of people
Speaker 4: crossing in this area, but we go check it periodically.
Speaker 4: In one morning, yeah, we saw this man hobbling up
Speaker 4: towards us as we're driving down the road with a stick,
Speaker 4: and we're like, why is he walking like this?
Speaker 2: Pulled over and he was bitten by a dog.
Speaker 4: He said he went to take a drink of water
Speaker 4: and some dogs attacked him to dogs, I think.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he'd described it to the wolf, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So we called the MS and they picked them
Speaker 2: up and took them to the hospitals.
Speaker 1: Right, but you hadn't been there. It's a long way
Speaker 1: to walk with a dog bite in your leg.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And who knows, Bordevito might not even even if
Speaker 4: ems him out. They might have just tried to process
Speaker 4: them with the dog bite. Yeah, could get it, could
Speaker 4: have gotten infected.
Speaker 1: Yah.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: But just to go back on the mutual aid question
Speaker 3: that you had earlier, it hasn't all been negative. It's
Speaker 3: actually been a really great experience in which I've met
Speaker 3: really great people from all kinds of walks of life
Speaker 3: who have just joined together because they see a problem
Speaker 3: and know that they're the only they're the only ones
Speaker 3: that can make a difference, And it is a sure
Speaker 3: easy way to be really important and make a difference
Speaker 3: in other people's lives. You don't really need to have
Speaker 3: much more than a good heart and a willingness to work.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, I think we should talk about that more
Speaker 1: because not that some of us had some like prior
Speaker 1: life experience right working with refugees or migration, But I
Speaker 1: think most of us just were people who were like, Yeah,
Speaker 1: this isn't right, and I am able to help, and
Speaker 1: so I'm going to help. So can you talk about
Speaker 1: like how people can help? And then, like you said,
Speaker 1: I think I've actually got a lot out of this,
Speaker 1: and that I feel more affirmed in my belief that
Speaker 1: like we can look out after each other without the
Speaker 1: need to control each other, and like we don't necessarily
Speaker 1: need people with guns and badges to create a society
Speaker 1: that cares for people who need taken care of. And
Speaker 1: so perhaps you could describe like how people can help,
Speaker 1: and then what it is that you've got out of
Speaker 1: this that keeps you wanting to do this.
Speaker 3: Well, first of all, yeah, we don't have a clear
Speaker 3: structure of authoritative structure over here. We take ideas as
Speaker 3: a collective. Different people have contributed different things. There's a
Speaker 3: woman that really nailed down the PB and J making
Speaker 3: system and we've all just been following her lead. There.
Speaker 3: Some people came up with the idea of having a
Speaker 3: cell phone charging station. That was you, And it's just
Speaker 3: the list goes on and if you wanted to help,
Speaker 3: you could just come by to the border, come to
Speaker 3: one of these sites and just start distributing food or
Speaker 3: teaming up with us somehow, or by donating to the GoFundMe.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what's the good fund me?
Speaker 3: John? So let's go fundme that was set up by
Speaker 3: by my dad. I don't actually know what it's title,
Speaker 3: How Cumba Migrant Aid.
Speaker 1: Any search go fund me, how Cumba Migrant Aid, it
Speaker 1: comes up.
Speaker 2: Samuel Schultz I think is Samuel Schultz.
Speaker 1: So you'll know because it has like fifty thousand dollars
Speaker 1: on it and like maybe seven woods as a discription
Speaker 1: GOOGLEMA because not much else is going down here, I guess.
Speaker 1: But yeah, people can help that way, and we've had
Speaker 1: people come who listen. We had two people this morning
Speaker 1: right who had heard about it on the podcast and
Speaker 1: come and helped. Yeah, and made a really really great difference.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they camped out at the Sliders and really held
Speaker 4: it down, which is really important. I mean for some
Speaker 4: of us, we you know, like John and I, we
Speaker 4: kind of do like a morning shift where we get
Speaker 4: up really early and make sure to do everything that
Speaker 4: we need to do, prepping sandwiches, checking on all the camps.
Speaker 4: But a lot of people come in in the middle
Speaker 4: of the night. Sliders had people come in what at
Speaker 4: midnight or one am?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, all throughout. A group came at midnight, a
Speaker 3: group came at like one am, and then there were
Speaker 3: also more that came at four am. Yeah.
Speaker 4: So like having someone on site camping, you know, making
Speaker 4: sure that people's needs are met and that if any
Speaker 4: emergencies take place, that they're taken care of, and it's
Speaker 4: just that smiling face when they get here.
Speaker 2: It makes a huge difference. Like that dude from Brazil, like.
Speaker 4: Earlier he was saying to me, he was like thank
Speaker 4: you so much, Like this is like this is humanity
Speaker 4: right here, Like I'm a human and I'm like, yes,
Speaker 4: we will treat you like yumans here.
Speaker 3: Like at the end of the day, you know, these
Speaker 3: people coming through Central America and Mexico, they go through
Speaker 3: so much, you know, extortion, people ripping them off, just
Speaker 3: feeling unwelcome throughout that whole voyage. Just having a group
Speaker 3: of people welcome them into the country and treat them
Speaker 3: with dignity is worth more than any bottle of water
Speaker 3: sandwich that we can give them. And you know, that's
Speaker 3: that's the main thing that we're doing.
Speaker 1: I would say, I want to emphasize that people can
Speaker 1: help in so many ways that you can send us stuff,
Speaker 1: you can send us money, or you can just show up.
Speaker 1: If you just have a weekend, that's totally fine, or
Speaker 1: a day, it's totally fine, or if you just want
Speaker 1: to come and make sandwiches, that's totally fine.
Speaker 2: Like it.
Speaker 1: We're a very diverse group of people, and some people
Speaker 1: have had more time than others. But yeah, everyone I
Speaker 1: think is valued, and like you said, I think like
Speaker 1: we're the way that we organize without anyone, like we
Speaker 1: organized horizontally, has allowed us to be so much better.
Speaker 1: Like could you remember the day there was a day
Speaker 1: when we ran out of plates and we were we
Speaker 1: were like down in Willow and it was just it
Speaker 1: was like chaos and then someone who just arrived that
Speaker 1: day was like, oh, what if we put the beans
Speaker 1: in a sandwich bag and give people That was actually Peter,
Speaker 1: who's back now after going on Rumptinger for a while.
Speaker 1: But yeah, like if we had been like, no, I'm
Speaker 1: in charge, We've been doing this for longer, then those
Speaker 1: people wouldn't have got fed, right, But because we were
Speaker 1: like willing to listen, then the people got fed, and
Speaker 1: like we were all happier because the people got fed, right,
Speaker 1: Like it worked better that way. So like as things change,
Speaker 1: because it like it. Border patrol have said explicitly that
Speaker 1: they're trying to push people west, right, what do you think, like,
Speaker 1: what do we need going forward? What do you see
Speaker 1: like the situation being and like it it would be
Speaker 1: good to explain the context of like the changing seasons
Speaker 1: here as well.
Speaker 3: Yes, so I think what we're going to see more
Speaker 3: of is people that are crossing in unorthodox areas, more
Speaker 3: people that are hopping the fence, more people that are
Speaker 3: cutting holes in the walls, just popping up all over
Speaker 3: the place. So yeah, it would be great to have
Speaker 3: eyes along the border, people that are willing to travel
Speaker 3: up and down along the border to find out where
Speaker 3: these people are coming through, because for the most part,
Speaker 3: we don't know a lot. Oftentimes where these people are
Speaker 3: coming through. There are a couple of new oads open
Speaker 3: air detention sites that are relatively close to us that
Speaker 3: we can't find even.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, like maybe if we had a super fancy
Speaker 1: drone we could find them, or just boots on the ground, a.
Speaker 2: Nice off road vehicle. Yeah, yeah, yeah, then.
Speaker 1: These are all things that cost money that we don't have.
Speaker 1: But like we've will put lots of miles on our
Speaker 1: trucks and lots of miles on our boots trying to
Speaker 1: trying to help out.
Speaker 2: My exhaust is falling off all these bumps.
Speaker 1: Yeah, my transfer case to competing. But like, yeah, if
Speaker 1: we had more people, some of us could focus on
Speaker 1: feeding people here because there was how many people were
Speaker 1: there when we just left, now one hundred and twenty
Speaker 1: something like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh no, actually probably more if you count the
Speaker 3: new group. I think you know what a conservative estimate
Speaker 3: would have been maybe one hundred and forty.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's we'd made one hundred and forty sandwiches
Speaker 1: to feed them today, and we'd chopped firewood and taken
Speaker 1: that out and we'd be given all that out right.
Speaker 1: That was after the same thing at breakfast time. That
Speaker 1: doesn't leave much time to go meander along the border
Speaker 1: and look for another site. So if we have more people,
Speaker 1: we could do that and that would be really valuable.
Speaker 4: Also, if you have connection to firewood, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: if you're a person who can bring us a lot
Speaker 4: of firewood.
Speaker 2: We have one homie right now and he's breaking his back.
Speaker 3: For us.
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's a definitely big need out here.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Is there other stuff like that that people who
Speaker 1: maybe aren't here but have connections to or they could
Speaker 1: they could send that's particularly needed.
Speaker 3: A nice off road vehicle I got one laying around
Speaker 3: firewood is definitely a big thing. That's that's a huge need. Yeah,
Speaker 3: really cold up here and especially in like sliders too.
Speaker 3: I think it's higher in elevation.
Speaker 1: So so exposed to there's nothing between you and the wind. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think, Yeah, it's very cold out there.
Speaker 3: Yeah. But and and just other things that are that
Speaker 3: are easier for us to get, but we just constantly need,
Speaker 3: such as breads, blankets.
Speaker 1: Bread yeah, yeah, yeah, tents, all these things. Right, the
Speaker 1: wind and the sun destroys everything that we've stokepiled after
Speaker 1: a while, and we have to keep reinventing the wheel.
Speaker 1: And then sometimes border patrol destroys our stuff as well,
Speaker 1: or sometimes some some chubs come and destroy our stuff,
Speaker 1: which which.
Speaker 2: Oh, the chuds destroying our stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we should talk about the destruction of the shelters
Speaker 1: before we finish, I guess, just to end on a
Speaker 1: sad note. We was happy because we built them again
Speaker 1: and the fine. So there were some shelters I think
Speaker 1: mostly they were ones that had been built while they
Speaker 1: were ones that have been built volunteers and John, you
Speaker 1: saw what happened to the shelters, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So we built some shelters at one of the sites,
Speaker 3: at one of the main sites. You know, it was
Speaker 3: very simple, just by having a plywood as the frame
Speaker 3: holding it up and then nailing down some tarps on
Speaker 3: it with batons. It was It was a nice thing.
Speaker 3: It stood up to the heavy winds that we have
Speaker 3: here very well.
Speaker 1: It's incomparably better to not having a shelter.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, it's a it's a completely different They're instantly
Speaker 5: use once people cross, and it's awesome to see like
Speaker 5: adults that are alone will get out and force family shelters, Like, yeah,
Speaker 5: you get it first for sure.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and yeah, we built those. It was working out good.
Speaker 3: Then one day the Border Patrol showed up or a
Speaker 3: company that was subcontracted by them, and demolished them all
Speaker 3: using skiploaders and bulldozers and such. We showed up the
Speaker 3: following day, we rebuilt all the shelters and we're really
Speaker 3: happy about it.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: It was kind of a big fuck you to them.
Speaker 3: You can tear down our stuff, but we'll just come
Speaker 3: back and build more. Yeah. But then what was it
Speaker 3: like a three four days later or the next.
Speaker 2: Day maybe I'm not the next day, two days it
Speaker 2: was close.
Speaker 3: Yeah, some guys just showed up and they tore it
Speaker 3: all up with hammers.
Speaker 2: They are finishing a tiny little finishing.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Luckily they didn't really come equipped like maybe with.
Speaker 2: The with the tools.
Speaker 3: They didn't really know what they were doing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's fair to say that, but still
Speaker 1: it's it's annoying when you've put the time into building it, right,
Speaker 1: and Border Patrol didn't destroy our contractors didn't destroy the shelters. First,
Speaker 1: we were like, oh, maybe they're not using this, but
Speaker 1: there are one hundred and forty people there right now,
Speaker 1: like in the shelters that got rebuilt for a third time.
Speaker 1: So like, I guess even we do appreciate people donating,
Speaker 1: and we understand that people's resources are scarce, and like
Speaker 1: the economy is bad and the rent is too damn high,
Speaker 1: et cetera. But like every time we build up enough stuff,
Speaker 1: we have to like we're always running uphill because like
Speaker 1: stuff just gets destroyed either by the weather or by
Speaker 1: the border patrol or by volunteer Border patrol judge, like
Speaker 1: we could, I guess desperately need your help. And like
Speaker 1: at some point the news cycle will move on from
Speaker 1: the border, and that doesn't mean that we will be
Speaker 1: able to move on from having people to help here,
Speaker 1: right because like John said, there were people and people
Speaker 1: always deserve to be treated with dignity. Is there anything
Speaker 1: else that you guys think that people should know about
Speaker 1: the situation here.
Speaker 2: We wrap up. It's kind of chill.
Speaker 1: It is really nice, Like I like being here. I
Speaker 1: come here because it makes me happy, and my friends
Speaker 1: are here.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and like the slider's location is located in a
Speaker 4: really awesome like you can see down just past the
Speaker 4: border wall. There's like a nice little train track that
Speaker 4: used to go from US into Mexico.
Speaker 1: I guess.
Speaker 4: And just beyond that there's like sheep on a farm
Speaker 4: in the distance, like rolling hills, the clouds come through,
Speaker 4: and like say, it's a really beautiful place to be
Speaker 4: and to hang out. And a lot of the locals
Speaker 4: that don't hate what we're doing are very nice. The
Speaker 4: people at the hotel are very supportive.
Speaker 3: And yeah, we're a great group, really good people. It's
Speaker 3: always really fun to do anything like this. People are
Speaker 3: generally enamored by our project and want to be involved
Speaker 3: and come back a second time. I mean we're kind
Speaker 3: of like cowboys. I mean, we're doing this all on
Speaker 3: our own. We're driving up and down, looking at the sites,
Speaker 3: looking around, and all that whole responsibility is on our shoulders.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it feels good to take responsibility.
Speaker 3: It definitely doesn't. We're doing this.
Speaker 2: It's like no one else will, so yeah, just do it.
Speaker 1: Like that's fine. It's very like it reminds me of
Speaker 1: the punk scene growing up, but like it's a big
Speaker 1: important thing. Get Like you said, every national news network
Speaker 1: has been down here, every drifting streamer has been down here.
Speaker 1: But the end of the day. It's a few dozen
Speaker 1: random people who are actually the ones making sure that
Speaker 1: people don't die here. Yeah, for all the government attention
Speaker 1: and for the millions, they don't to spend it, it's just.
Speaker 3: Us, Yeah, working on a fraction of the butt. I mean,
Speaker 3: it costs them more to fly a helicopter for a
Speaker 3: few hours than.
Speaker 1: We've ever spent in our entire gofund B. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: yet like we get it done. We're very efficient, I
Speaker 1: guess in that sense. But yeah, we would love more people.
Speaker 1: People have come because I listen to podcasts and that also,
Speaker 1: like just for me personally means the world to me.
Speaker 1: Like most of the time we just talk into a
Speaker 1: microphone and then you can't really see who you're talking
Speaker 1: to unless unless you go on like social media, and
Speaker 1: that's not always the best reflection of humanity. So like
Speaker 1: it really means the world to me that someone like
Speaker 1: listens to this when they're driving to work or you know,
Speaker 1: going on a jog or whatever they're doing, and it's like, no,
Speaker 1: I will I will go and I will help, because
Speaker 1: I think that is how we solve so many of
Speaker 1: our problems. Like there is a massive problem with people
Speaker 1: not being able to afford rent living on the street
Speaker 1: in this country, and we solve it in the same
Speaker 1: way by just showing up for each other.
Speaker 4: And there's also different ways to get plugged in, like
Speaker 4: if the desert's not your thing, it doesn't. I mean,
Speaker 4: this is like where the process as starts as far
Speaker 4: as like the spectrum of the whole border crisis or
Speaker 4: not crisis, but the whole border humanitarian situation we have
Speaker 4: going on here.
Speaker 2: So this is what we're doing out here. But there's
Speaker 2: also airport runs.
Speaker 4: A lot of them get ditched in the airports, so
Speaker 4: I think we all we got SD and maybe m
Speaker 4: death and at last center kind of hold down they
Speaker 4: do airport runs, border patrol just I guess at night.
Speaker 4: They don't drop them off like after ten or something.
Speaker 4: They don't drop them off at the IRIS station. They'll
Speaker 4: just drop them straight off at the airport. So they
Speaker 4: need help being fed. A lot of them don't have
Speaker 4: plane tickets. They need to kind of some you know,
Speaker 4: people need blankets because they have to sleep there. So well,
Speaker 4: I mean, we all we got is great for that
Speaker 4: you can plug in with them, and I think Alo
Speaker 4: Trelado and who else is it?
Speaker 2: M deaf as well. That's doing the Irish street releases.
Speaker 4: So when the border Patrol just releases them on the street,
Speaker 4: like a lot of people just get in a cab
Speaker 4: and go. They have the resources they can do that,
Speaker 4: they're already planned. But some people don't have any money
Speaker 4: or they got robbed on the way here, so they
Speaker 4: have nothing. They need a lot of help. They need
Speaker 4: to figure out where to go, they need a place
Speaker 4: to stay. So there's the street releases, there's the airport,
Speaker 4: there's I think that's kind of.
Speaker 3: Or or by just helping with shelters and organizations in
Speaker 3: whatever city you happen to be living in. You know,
Speaker 3: the majority of the Migro well not the majority, but
Speaker 3: a very typical answer migrants give me when I asked
Speaker 3: them where in the United States they're going to? Is
Speaker 3: New York City or Chicago or any of these major cities.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Lincoln, Nebraska the other day, some weird Yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be Idaho.
Speaker 3: Have fun. Yeah, it was beautiful.
Speaker 1: There was a guy have On and I met from
Speaker 1: a minority ethnic group in Russia. We met in September.
Speaker 1: I remember one of those first really cold nights and
Speaker 1: I was talking to this person and they were in
Speaker 1: Pennsylvania and I checked in with him a few weeks
Speaker 1: ago and they're like happily living in Pennsylvania. Can't understand
Speaker 1: a word anyone else is saying. It's nice to see
Speaker 1: and yeah, you can help those people in whatever community
Speaker 1: you're in. And like, if you're further along border, there's
Speaker 1: Powha Samaritans, there's no mass worth days. There's humane borders
Speaker 1: to songs Amaritans as well. Right, yeah, all along the border,
Speaker 1: you know, there are the there are lots of good
Speaker 1: people in Texas, right, there's a sidewalk school and brain
Speaker 1: also Matamoros, the people at the National Butterfly Center, who
Speaker 1: are very nice people who we've heard from before. Like,
Speaker 1: all along the border and like all around this country,
Speaker 1: there there are things you can do to help, and
Speaker 1: I want to reinforce it. It's not like this penurious
Speaker 1: thing we do that's miserable and we all get together
Speaker 1: and cry every night. Like we do have a nice time,
Speaker 1: even though we have seen some really stressful things. Like
Speaker 1: we all look after one another and hold space when
Speaker 1: people do need help or extra time to process something.
Speaker 1: But it's a very supportive community and we support each
Speaker 1: other through lots of other things, like aside from this,
Speaker 1: and I think a lot of people in general in
Speaker 1: the twenty first century America struggle with isolation.
Speaker 2: And that's a thing that.
Speaker 1: Capitalism does to people, right, it isolates us from each other.
Speaker 1: And so hopefully, like I think this is a solution
Speaker 1: for me. This this has been a really positive thing,
Speaker 1: but like generally my sense of hope.
Speaker 4: And yeah, and like what we're doing this kind of
Speaker 4: does it's disaster humanitarian relief effort. It's kind of with
Speaker 4: the way the climate is going in the world in climate, uh,
Speaker 4: climate are.
Speaker 1: Going to get less common.
Speaker 4: Yeah, this will just be getting more common, and like
Speaker 4: this kind of like preparing and building community and like
Speaker 4: this disaster scenario is going to yeah, definitely be more
Speaker 4: in commons.
Speaker 3: And it's not that easy to do. I mean, it's
Speaker 3: not that hard to do. You know, you just got
Speaker 3: to have the intention and then you just got to
Speaker 3: get together and do it. That's all that's all you
Speaker 3: really need to do.
Speaker 1: Don't think that it's like this. If someone had said
Speaker 1: to us, what plus or minus fifty thousand people probably
Speaker 1: have come through. I have no idea on the numbers,
Speaker 1: but somewhere around there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, probably more than that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if we like I remember in May when we
Speaker 1: cleaned up the first o ads, when we were, like
Speaker 1: when I first met your mum and dad, John, we
Speaker 1: were cleaning up the first o ads and were Wow,
Speaker 1: that was a horrible thing that happened. That was really fucked.
Speaker 1: If someone had said, right, well, between now and next March,
Speaker 1: fifty thousand people will come through here and it's mostly
Speaker 1: going to be you guys who are here picking up trash,
Speaker 1: and that's that's what it's going to be. Like, it's
Speaker 1: on you. It would have been it would have seemed overwhelming, right,
Speaker 1: But I don't think people should feel afraid to confront
Speaker 1: these big problems because like, between the group of people
Speaker 1: who we've assembled here, we've been able to confront this
Speaker 1: problem and make it survivable and treat people with dignity
Speaker 1: and bring some dignity and humanity into a situation where
Speaker 1: there wasn't any right.
Speaker 4: No, Yeah, And there's a role for everybody no matter
Speaker 4: what you do, you can find your niche of what
Speaker 4: you know, you makes you feel good, or something that
Speaker 4: you're good at, you know. Yeah, it's finding the little
Speaker 4: fascists that destroyed our things online and doing all that
Speaker 4: online footwork, or it's building shelters, or it's making PB
Speaker 4: and J's.
Speaker 1: Or our friends made our website, they made a really
Speaker 1: good website.
Speaker 4: Website, yeah, or even yeah, just being someone that speaks
Speaker 4: multiple langs whiches is a huge need out here, especially
Speaker 4: I mean Spanish is pretty common, but the harder languages,
Speaker 4: like I mean Mandarin.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you speak Mandarin and then you reach out
Speaker 1: to us and we can call you, then that will
Speaker 1: be huge, right Really in a medical emergency, that could
Speaker 1: be a life or death thing. So there were there
Speaker 1: were a ton of ways to help and re encourage
Speaker 1: people to kind of go up to the can Where
Speaker 1: can people follow along with YouTube? Do you have like
Speaker 1: social media or anything that you want to plug?
Speaker 3: I don't. I'm gonna keep minding the world such beautiful.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: One of the how I got involved in this is
Speaker 4: through members of a drum line that I am part of,
Speaker 4: So we show up for protests, have been since twenty
Speaker 4: twenty Direct Action drum Line on Instagram. We post a
Speaker 4: lot of different stuff from organizing for Palestine to you know,
Speaker 4: we were doing a lot of Black Lives Matter stuff
Speaker 4: early in twenty twenty and now it's you know, kind
Speaker 4: of cross mixed with border aids since I've been out here.
Speaker 4: So we occasionally will make posts so you can follow
Speaker 4: along there. Alo Gelato is a good one to follow
Speaker 4: on social media inco Paul Wellness on Instagram Borderlands Relief Collective.
Speaker 4: I'm sure a lot of the people listening already follow
Speaker 4: a lot, yeah of these people, but yeah, there's a
Speaker 4: network through all of that. And so once you start
Speaker 4: following one or the other, we all tag each other
Speaker 4: and reshare each other's stuff, so you can get involved
Speaker 4: that way and figure out what's going on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the is it bored? What's the website for?
Speaker 2: That's a great resource.
Speaker 1: Borderay, don't get helped io. I think if you give
Speaker 1: it a Google somewhere or somewhere around that you'll find it.
Speaker 1: It's a good website. And like, if you are facing
Speaker 1: similar issues in your community, wherever you are, whatever it is, Like,
Speaker 1: we've definitely made a lot of mistakes and we've learned
Speaker 1: a lot, and so we've tried to document the things
Speaker 1: that we've learned so that you guys don't have to
Speaker 1: reinvent the wheels somewhere else right like you know, you
Speaker 1: can be an efficient PB and Jamker just like us.
Speaker 2: Learn Surely's technique.
Speaker 1: All right, Thank you so much, guys, I really appreciate
Speaker 1: your time.
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