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Speaker 1: Also media. Hello, and welcome to it Could Happen Here

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Speaker 1: podcast about things falling apart and people putting them back together.

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Speaker 1: I am back. After a lengthy court battle, have been

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Speaker 1: allowed to return to the podcast, which I'm very grateful for.

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Speaker 1: And I'm joined today by John and Haval, two friends

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Speaker 1: of mine who volunteer out here in Cucumber a lot,

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Speaker 1: a lot more than I do. And we're going to

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Speaker 1: explain some developments sort have happened, give you all an

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Speaker 1: update on the situation here and let you know how

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Speaker 1: you could help. So welcome to the show, both of you.

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Speaker 2: Hello, thank you going to be back.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, welcome back. If you'd like to just introduce yourselves,

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Speaker 1: like your name, like whatever role you play out here, pronouns,

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Speaker 1: and any affiliation with any organization you feel is relevant.

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Speaker 3: So my name is John. I'm someone that lives in

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Speaker 3: the area. This situation just kind of showed up in

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Speaker 3: my backyard. I was kind of forced into it rather

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Speaker 3: than volunteer into it, and I've been dealing with it

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Speaker 3: NonStop since the beginning. Yeah, I'm one of the main

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Speaker 3: sets of booths on the ground.

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Speaker 4: Have all I used, they them pronouns, and I organized

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Speaker 4: with direct Action Drumline and Zene Distro doing a lot

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Speaker 4: of mutual aid, which is how I got involved in

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Speaker 4: all this, and also with Alocholato helping out on the

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Speaker 4: ground since the beginning with John, pretty much just a

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Speaker 4: little after John started.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, so that's what nearly six months, so if

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Speaker 1: you're not counting me, yeah, yeah, wow, yeah.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, it started in May and then it stopped

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Speaker 3: during the summertime. It picked up again in September, and

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Speaker 3: we've been dealing with it NonStop since then.

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Speaker 1: People will have heard briefly from John's Faber sam In

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Speaker 1: in our May episodes about title forty two, which we did. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it seems like forever ago. Also doesn't seem like very

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Speaker 1: long ago. It's just one big weird collapsing of time.

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Speaker 1: So last time we spent last time with HAVAL, we

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Speaker 1: servicing with food, water, warm blankets, were building shelters, and

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Speaker 1: we've heard a lot about those camps. Does one of

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Speaker 1: you guys want to explain how things have changed since then,

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Speaker 1: and really particularly in the last six weeks.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, it's changed quite radically. Actually, So between the

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Speaker 3: months of September and December, we were servicing these three

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Speaker 3: It was pretty straightforward. Our routine would consist of stopping

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Speaker 3: providing them with all the different things that the US

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Speaker 3: government was not and I kind of wish things were

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Speaker 3: simpler like they were back then. Yeah, So at the

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Speaker 3: end of the month of December, Secretary Blinken made a

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Speaker 3: visit to Mexico, and I suspect that he pressured the

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Speaker 3: the immediate changes that we saw as a result of

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Speaker 3: We have to drive quite a bit further towards San

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Speaker 3: Whereas those three ones that were originally servicing had dumpsters

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Speaker 3: They still still there exactly.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, moving at the speed of government.

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Speaker 3: The new ones don't have that, and people are having

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Speaker 1: Yeah, going on a day right now. Yeah, because we

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Speaker 2: Lot of documents ripped up around there, the Mill Hill signs.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, all these signs until we were able to

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Speaker 3: Well, we have an acquaintance that's been very helpful towards

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Speaker 1: And from there, it's like you said, it's a lot

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Speaker 1: But yeah, that's not the thing that they do.

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Speaker 4: We actually did one another volunteer, Brendan and I were

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Speaker 4: think you were with us, John, but we started talking

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Speaker 2: But yeah, they don't tell us about this stuff.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and we have to find him myself. And what

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Speaker 3: This is a pretty unknown part of southern California. You know,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's if you're out there all night and

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Speaker 3: Yep. Yeah, So.

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Speaker 1: Going forward, like we've seen like this movement of migration west,

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Speaker 1: the safety Like you said that the push factors haven't changed, right,

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Speaker 1: So people are still coming here. They still have things

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Speaker 1: but they're not coming the same way where we could

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Speaker 3: So like what does that mean, Well, it's takes a

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Speaker 3: For one, the main one sliders is up a very

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Speaker 4: So I think they call it sliders because it's so

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Speaker 1: To be Yeah, I put someone's head into the roof

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And uh, you know, we're not the only ones

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think if every single one has been on

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Speaker 3: Strange permission has never sought.

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Speaker 1: suing the Border Patrol for it, but fake months. But

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Speaker 1: obviously it does have an impact on a landscape as well.

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Speaker 1: People understand to be a coal so they're cutting down

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Speaker 3: So that's the Yeah, that's that's kind of a bargaining

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Speaker 4: And the first time we went out there, they had

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Speaker 3: Some of them are very impressive.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, they had to rip all that from the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it must tear up your hands as well.

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Speaker 1: to Hacumber, right, how it is like organizing in a

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Speaker 1: of very disparate political leanings in the area, and like

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Speaker 3: Yeah. So, first of all, I'm a Quaker, come from

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Speaker 3: I think people often make the mistake of considering this

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Speaker 2: The same with and the Iatola escaping, all.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and it wouldn't be such an quote unquote invasion

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Speaker 2: They really could be safe. The policies just choose not

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Speaker 4: ems him out. They might have just tried to process

438
00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:28,480
Speaker 4: them with the dog bite. Yeah, could get it, could

439
00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:29,160
Speaker 4: have gotten infected.

440
00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:30,520
Speaker 1: Yah.

441
00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:31,000
Speaker 2: Yeah.

442
00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:34,880
Speaker 3: But just to go back on the mutual aid question

443
00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:37,920
Speaker 3: that you had earlier, it hasn't all been negative. It's

444
00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:41,280
Speaker 3: actually been a really great experience in which I've met

445
00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:44,120
Speaker 3: really great people from all kinds of walks of life

446
00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:47,360
Speaker 3: who have just joined together because they see a problem

447
00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:51,800
Speaker 3: and know that they're the only they're the only ones

448
00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:53,880
Speaker 3: that can make a difference, And it is a sure

449
00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:58,760
Speaker 3: easy way to be really important and make a difference

450
00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:01,840
Speaker 3: in other people's lives. You don't really need to have

451
00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:04,560
Speaker 3: much more than a good heart and a willingness to work.

452
00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:06,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, I think we should talk about that more

453
00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:10,040
Speaker 1: because not that some of us had some like prior

454
00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:13,119
Speaker 1: life experience right working with refugees or migration, But I

455
00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:15,960
Speaker 1: think most of us just were people who were like, Yeah,

456
00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:17,960
Speaker 1: this isn't right, and I am able to help, and

457
00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:20,680
Speaker 1: so I'm going to help. So can you talk about

458
00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:23,320
Speaker 1: like how people can help? And then, like you said,

459
00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:25,119
Speaker 1: I think I've actually got a lot out of this,

460
00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:28,480
Speaker 1: and that I feel more affirmed in my belief that

461
00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:30,440
Speaker 1: like we can look out after each other without the

462
00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:33,000
Speaker 1: need to control each other, and like we don't necessarily

463
00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:36,080
Speaker 1: need people with guns and badges to create a society

464
00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:38,800
Speaker 1: that cares for people who need taken care of. And

465
00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:40,880
Speaker 1: so perhaps you could describe like how people can help,

466
00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:42,960
Speaker 1: and then what it is that you've got out of

467
00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:44,399
Speaker 1: this that keeps you wanting to do this.

468
00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:47,920
Speaker 3: Well, first of all, yeah, we don't have a clear

469
00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:54,840
Speaker 3: structure of authoritative structure over here. We take ideas as

470
00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:58,399
Speaker 3: a collective. Different people have contributed different things. There's a

471
00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:01,560
Speaker 3: woman that really nailed down the PB and J making

472
00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:04,640
Speaker 3: system and we've all just been following her lead. There.

473
00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:07,159
Speaker 3: Some people came up with the idea of having a

474
00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:12,480
Speaker 3: cell phone charging station. That was you, And it's just

475
00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:16,440
Speaker 3: the list goes on and if you wanted to help,

476
00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:18,960
Speaker 3: you could just come by to the border, come to

477
00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:23,800
Speaker 3: one of these sites and just start distributing food or

478
00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:28,040
Speaker 3: teaming up with us somehow, or by donating to the GoFundMe.

479
00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:29,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, what's the good fund me?

480
00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:31,760
Speaker 3: John? So let's go fundme that was set up by

481
00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:34,800
Speaker 3: by my dad. I don't actually know what it's title,

482
00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:36,720
Speaker 3: How Cumba Migrant Aid.

483
00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:39,240
Speaker 1: Any search go fund me, how Cumba Migrant Aid, it

484
00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:39,880
Speaker 1: comes up.

485
00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:42,840
Speaker 2: Samuel Schultz I think is Samuel Schultz.

486
00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:45,159
Speaker 1: So you'll know because it has like fifty thousand dollars

487
00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:48,080
Speaker 1: on it and like maybe seven woods as a discription

488
00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:53,480
Speaker 1: GOOGLEMA because not much else is going down here, I guess.

489
00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:55,800
Speaker 1: But yeah, people can help that way, and we've had

490
00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:58,160
Speaker 1: people come who listen. We had two people this morning

491
00:23:58,240 --> 00:23:59,680
Speaker 1: right who had heard about it on the podcast and

492
00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:02,800
Speaker 1: come and helped. Yeah, and made a really really great difference.

493
00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:05,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, they camped out at the Sliders and really held

494
00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:08,280
Speaker 4: it down, which is really important. I mean for some

495
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:10,680
Speaker 4: of us, we you know, like John and I, we

496
00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:12,679
Speaker 4: kind of do like a morning shift where we get

497
00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:15,399
Speaker 4: up really early and make sure to do everything that

498
00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:18,080
Speaker 4: we need to do, prepping sandwiches, checking on all the camps.

499
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:20,000
Speaker 4: But a lot of people come in in the middle

500
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:21,879
Speaker 4: of the night. Sliders had people come in what at

501
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:23,080
Speaker 4: midnight or one am?

502
00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:26,399
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, all throughout. A group came at midnight, a

503
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:28,479
Speaker 3: group came at like one am, and then there were

504
00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:30,640
Speaker 3: also more that came at four am. Yeah.

505
00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:34,040
Speaker 4: So like having someone on site camping, you know, making

506
00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:36,320
Speaker 4: sure that people's needs are met and that if any

507
00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:38,680
Speaker 4: emergencies take place, that they're taken care of, and it's

508
00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:41,560
Speaker 4: just that smiling face when they get here.

509
00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:45,199
Speaker 2: It makes a huge difference. Like that dude from Brazil, like.

510
00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:47,200
Speaker 4: Earlier he was saying to me, he was like thank

511
00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:49,879
Speaker 4: you so much, Like this is like this is humanity

512
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:51,760
Speaker 4: right here, Like I'm a human and I'm like, yes,

513
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:53,400
Speaker 4: we will treat you like yumans here.

514
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:55,720
Speaker 3: Like at the end of the day, you know, these

515
00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:58,720
Speaker 3: people coming through Central America and Mexico, they go through

516
00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:05,119
Speaker 3: so much, you know, extortion, people ripping them off, just

517
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:08,840
Speaker 3: feeling unwelcome throughout that whole voyage. Just having a group

518
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:11,239
Speaker 3: of people welcome them into the country and treat them

519
00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:14,120
Speaker 3: with dignity is worth more than any bottle of water

520
00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:17,280
Speaker 3: sandwich that we can give them. And you know, that's

521
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:18,760
Speaker 3: that's the main thing that we're doing.

522
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:31,679
Speaker 1: I would say, I want to emphasize that people can

523
00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:33,760
Speaker 1: help in so many ways that you can send us stuff,

524
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:35,479
Speaker 1: you can send us money, or you can just show up.

525
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:37,960
Speaker 1: If you just have a weekend, that's totally fine, or

526
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:40,440
Speaker 1: a day, it's totally fine, or if you just want

527
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:42,600
Speaker 1: to come and make sandwiches, that's totally fine.

528
00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:44,280
Speaker 2: Like it.

529
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:47,160
Speaker 1: We're a very diverse group of people, and some people

530
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:50,159
Speaker 1: have had more time than others. But yeah, everyone I

531
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:52,080
Speaker 1: think is valued, and like you said, I think like

532
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:56,040
Speaker 1: we're the way that we organize without anyone, like we

533
00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:59,240
Speaker 1: organized horizontally, has allowed us to be so much better.

534
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:01,679
Speaker 1: Like could you remember the day there was a day

535
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:04,119
Speaker 1: when we ran out of plates and we were we

536
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:06,399
Speaker 1: were like down in Willow and it was just it

537
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:09,879
Speaker 1: was like chaos and then someone who just arrived that

538
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:11,520
Speaker 1: day was like, oh, what if we put the beans

539
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:13,960
Speaker 1: in a sandwich bag and give people That was actually Peter,

540
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:19,800
Speaker 1: who's back now after going on Rumptinger for a while.

541
00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:22,880
Speaker 1: But yeah, like if we had been like, no, I'm

542
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,120
Speaker 1: in charge, We've been doing this for longer, then those

543
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:27,840
Speaker 1: people wouldn't have got fed, right, But because we were

544
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 1: like willing to listen, then the people got fed, and

545
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:34,879
Speaker 1: like we were all happier because the people got fed, right,

546
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 1: Like it worked better that way. So like as things change,

547
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:42,159
Speaker 1: because it like it. Border patrol have said explicitly that

548
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:45,480
Speaker 1: they're trying to push people west, right, what do you think, like,

549
00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:48,160
Speaker 1: what do we need going forward? What do you see

550
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:52,159
Speaker 1: like the situation being and like it it would be

551
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:54,600
Speaker 1: good to explain the context of like the changing seasons

552
00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:55,160
Speaker 1: here as well.

553
00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:59,280
Speaker 3: Yes, so I think what we're going to see more

554
00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:05,120
Speaker 3: of is people that are crossing in unorthodox areas, more

555
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 3: people that are hopping the fence, more people that are

556
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:10,719
Speaker 3: cutting holes in the walls, just popping up all over

557
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:13,480
Speaker 3: the place. So yeah, it would be great to have

558
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 3: eyes along the border, people that are willing to travel

559
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:18,680
Speaker 3: up and down along the border to find out where

560
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:21,160
Speaker 3: these people are coming through, because for the most part,

561
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 3: we don't know a lot. Oftentimes where these people are

562
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:26,920
Speaker 3: coming through. There are a couple of new oads open

563
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 3: air detention sites that are relatively close to us that

564
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:32,119
Speaker 3: we can't find even.

565
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:34,439
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, like maybe if we had a super fancy

566
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:37,119
Speaker 1: drone we could find them, or just boots on the ground, a.

567
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 2: Nice off road vehicle. Yeah, yeah, yeah, then.

568
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 1: These are all things that cost money that we don't have.

569
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:45,199
Speaker 1: But like we've will put lots of miles on our

570
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:47,399
Speaker 1: trucks and lots of miles on our boots trying to

571
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:48,600
Speaker 1: trying to help out.

572
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:51,920
Speaker 2: My exhaust is falling off all these bumps.

573
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, my transfer case to competing. But like, yeah, if

574
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:57,680
Speaker 1: we had more people, some of us could focus on

575
00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:00,159
Speaker 1: feeding people here because there was how many people were

576
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:01,640
Speaker 1: there when we just left, now one hundred and twenty

577
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:02,200
Speaker 1: something like that.

578
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh no, actually probably more if you count the

579
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 3: new group. I think you know what a conservative estimate

580
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 3: would have been maybe one hundred and forty.

581
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:13,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's we'd made one hundred and forty sandwiches

582
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 1: to feed them today, and we'd chopped firewood and taken

583
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:18,879
Speaker 1: that out and we'd be given all that out right.

584
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 1: That was after the same thing at breakfast time. That

585
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:24,440
Speaker 1: doesn't leave much time to go meander along the border

586
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:26,480
Speaker 1: and look for another site. So if we have more people,

587
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:29,360
Speaker 1: we could do that and that would be really valuable.

588
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:32,880
Speaker 4: Also, if you have connection to firewood, yeah, yeah, yeah,

589
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:34,880
Speaker 4: if you're a person who can bring us a lot

590
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 4: of firewood.

591
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:38,760
Speaker 2: We have one homie right now and he's breaking his back.

592
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 3: For us.

593
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's a definitely big need out here.

594
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 1: Yeah. Is there other stuff like that that people who

595
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 1: maybe aren't here but have connections to or they could

596
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 1: they could send that's particularly needed.

597
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 3: A nice off road vehicle I got one laying around

598
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 3: firewood is definitely a big thing. That's that's a huge need. Yeah,

599
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 3: really cold up here and especially in like sliders too.

600
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 3: I think it's higher in elevation.

601
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:08,360
Speaker 1: So so exposed to there's nothing between you and the wind. Yeah,

602
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 1: I think, Yeah, it's very cold out there.

603
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 3: Yeah. But and and just other things that are that

604
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 3: are easier for us to get, but we just constantly need,

605
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 3: such as breads, blankets.

606
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 1: Bread yeah, yeah, yeah, tents, all these things. Right, the

607
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 1: wind and the sun destroys everything that we've stokepiled after

608
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 1: a while, and we have to keep reinventing the wheel.

609
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 1: And then sometimes border patrol destroys our stuff as well,

610
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:35,640
Speaker 1: or sometimes some some chubs come and destroy our stuff,

611
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:36,240
Speaker 1: which which.

612
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 2: Oh, the chuds destroying our stuff.

613
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, we should talk about the destruction of the shelters

614
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:42,320
Speaker 1: before we finish, I guess, just to end on a

615
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:44,720
Speaker 1: sad note. We was happy because we built them again

616
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 1: and the fine. So there were some shelters I think

617
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 1: mostly they were ones that had been built while they

618
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 1: were ones that have been built volunteers and John, you

619
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 1: saw what happened to the shelters, right.

620
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, So we built some shelters at one of the sites,

621
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 3: at one of the main sites. You know, it was

622
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 3: very simple, just by having a plywood as the frame

623
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 3: holding it up and then nailing down some tarps on

624
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 3: it with batons. It was It was a nice thing.

625
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 3: It stood up to the heavy winds that we have

626
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 3: here very well.

627
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 1: It's incomparably better to not having a shelter.

628
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:24,960
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, it's a it's a completely different They're instantly

629
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 5: use once people cross, and it's awesome to see like

630
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 5: adults that are alone will get out and force family shelters, Like, yeah,

631
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 5: you get it first for sure.

632
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, and yeah, we built those. It was working out good.

633
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 3: Then one day the Border Patrol showed up or a

634
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 3: company that was subcontracted by them, and demolished them all

635
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:49,040
Speaker 3: using skiploaders and bulldozers and such. We showed up the

636
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 3: following day, we rebuilt all the shelters and we're really

637
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 3: happy about it.

638
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 1: You know.

639
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:55,959
Speaker 3: It was kind of a big fuck you to them.

640
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 3: You can tear down our stuff, but we'll just come

641
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 3: back and build more. Yeah. But then what was it

642
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 3: like a three four days later or the next.

643
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 2: Day maybe I'm not the next day, two days it

644
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 2: was close.

645
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, some guys just showed up and they tore it

646
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 3: all up with hammers.

647
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 2: They are finishing a tiny little finishing.

648
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 1: Yeah. Luckily they didn't really come equipped like maybe with.

649
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 2: The with the tools.

650
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 3: They didn't really know what they were doing.

651
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's fair to say that, but still

652
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 1: it's it's annoying when you've put the time into building it, right,

653
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 1: and Border Patrol didn't destroy our contractors didn't destroy the shelters. First,

654
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 1: we were like, oh, maybe they're not using this, but

655
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 1: there are one hundred and forty people there right now,

656
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 1: like in the shelters that got rebuilt for a third time.

657
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 1: So like, I guess even we do appreciate people donating,

658
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 1: and we understand that people's resources are scarce, and like

659
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 1: the economy is bad and the rent is too damn high,

660
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 1: et cetera. But like every time we build up enough stuff,

661
00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 1: we have to like we're always running uphill because like

662
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 1: stuff just gets destroyed either by the weather or by

663
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 1: the border patrol or by volunteer Border patrol judge, like

664
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 1: we could, I guess desperately need your help. And like

665
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 1: at some point the news cycle will move on from

666
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 1: the border, and that doesn't mean that we will be

667
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 1: able to move on from having people to help here,

668
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 1: right because like John said, there were people and people

669
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 1: always deserve to be treated with dignity. Is there anything

670
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 1: else that you guys think that people should know about

671
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 1: the situation here.

672
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 2: We wrap up. It's kind of chill.

673
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 1: It is really nice, Like I like being here. I

674
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 1: come here because it makes me happy, and my friends

675
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 1: are here.

676
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, and like the slider's location is located in a

677
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 4: really awesome like you can see down just past the

678
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 4: border wall. There's like a nice little train track that

679
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 4: used to go from US into Mexico.

680
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Speaker 1: I guess.

681
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:53,240
Speaker 4: And just beyond that there's like sheep on a farm

682
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 4: in the distance, like rolling hills, the clouds come through,

683
00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:00,200
Speaker 4: and like say, it's a really beautiful place to be

684
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 4: and to hang out. And a lot of the locals

685
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 4: that don't hate what we're doing are very nice. The

686
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 4: people at the hotel are very supportive.

687
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 3: And yeah, we're a great group, really good people. It's

688
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 3: always really fun to do anything like this. People are

689
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:18,719
Speaker 3: generally enamored by our project and want to be involved

690
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 3: and come back a second time. I mean we're kind

691
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 3: of like cowboys. I mean, we're doing this all on

692
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 3: our own. We're driving up and down, looking at the sites,

693
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 3: looking around, and all that whole responsibility is on our shoulders.

694
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, it feels good to take responsibility.

695
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 3: It definitely doesn't. We're doing this.

696
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 2: It's like no one else will, so yeah, just do it.

697
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 1: Like that's fine. It's very like it reminds me of

698
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 1: the punk scene growing up, but like it's a big

699
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 1: important thing. Get Like you said, every national news network

700
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 1: has been down here, every drifting streamer has been down here.

701
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 1: But the end of the day. It's a few dozen

702
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 1: random people who are actually the ones making sure that

703
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 1: people don't die here. Yeah, for all the government attention

704
00:33:57,760 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 1: and for the millions, they don't to spend it, it's just.

705
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 3: Us, Yeah, working on a fraction of the butt. I mean,

706
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 3: it costs them more to fly a helicopter for a

707
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 3: few hours than.

708
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:11,400
Speaker 1: We've ever spent in our entire gofund B. Yeah, and

709
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:14,239
Speaker 1: yet like we get it done. We're very efficient, I

710
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 1: guess in that sense. But yeah, we would love more people.

711
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 1: People have come because I listen to podcasts and that also,

712
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 1: like just for me personally means the world to me.

713
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:24,279
Speaker 1: Like most of the time we just talk into a

714
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:26,840
Speaker 1: microphone and then you can't really see who you're talking

715
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:30,279
Speaker 1: to unless unless you go on like social media, and

716
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 1: that's not always the best reflection of humanity. So like

717
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 1: it really means the world to me that someone like

718
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:37,880
Speaker 1: listens to this when they're driving to work or you know,

719
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 1: going on a jog or whatever they're doing, and it's like, no,

720
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 1: I will I will go and I will help, because

721
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:44,840
Speaker 1: I think that is how we solve so many of

722
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 1: our problems. Like there is a massive problem with people

723
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:49,719
Speaker 1: not being able to afford rent living on the street

724
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 1: in this country, and we solve it in the same

725
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 1: way by just showing up for each other.

726
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:55,719
Speaker 4: And there's also different ways to get plugged in, like

727
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:58,359
Speaker 4: if the desert's not your thing, it doesn't. I mean,

728
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:01,319
Speaker 4: this is like where the process as starts as far

729
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:03,800
Speaker 4: as like the spectrum of the whole border crisis or

730
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 4: not crisis, but the whole border humanitarian situation we have

731
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:08,759
Speaker 4: going on here.

732
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 2: So this is what we're doing out here. But there's

733
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Speaker 2: also airport runs.

734
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:14,440
Speaker 4: A lot of them get ditched in the airports, so

735
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 4: I think we all we got SD and maybe m

736
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:19,799
Speaker 4: death and at last center kind of hold down they

737
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:22,359
Speaker 4: do airport runs, border patrol just I guess at night.

738
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 4: They don't drop them off like after ten or something.

739
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:27,359
Speaker 4: They don't drop them off at the IRIS station. They'll

740
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 4: just drop them straight off at the airport. So they

741
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 4: need help being fed. A lot of them don't have

742
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 4: plane tickets. They need to kind of some you know,

743
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 4: people need blankets because they have to sleep there. So well,

744
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:38,360
Speaker 4: I mean, we all we got is great for that

745
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:41,479
Speaker 4: you can plug in with them, and I think Alo

746
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:43,719
Speaker 4: Trelado and who else is it?

747
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 2: M deaf as well. That's doing the Irish street releases.

748
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 4: So when the border Patrol just releases them on the street,

749
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 4: like a lot of people just get in a cab

750
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 4: and go. They have the resources they can do that,

751
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 4: they're already planned. But some people don't have any money

752
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 4: or they got robbed on the way here, so they

753
00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:58,920
Speaker 4: have nothing. They need a lot of help. They need

754
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 4: to figure out where to go, they need a place

755
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 4: to stay. So there's the street releases, there's the airport,

756
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:05,400
Speaker 4: there's I think that's kind of.

757
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 3: Or or by just helping with shelters and organizations in

758
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 3: whatever city you happen to be living in. You know,

759
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:13,920
Speaker 3: the majority of the Migro well not the majority, but

760
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:17,479
Speaker 3: a very typical answer migrants give me when I asked

761
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:20,400
Speaker 3: them where in the United States they're going to? Is

762
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:24,360
Speaker 3: New York City or Chicago or any of these major cities.

763
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:29,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, Lincoln, Nebraska the other day, some weird Yeah, Yeah,

764
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 1: it's gonna be Idaho.

765
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:34,320
Speaker 3: Have fun. Yeah, it was beautiful.

766
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:37,839
Speaker 1: There was a guy have On and I met from

767
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:41,280
Speaker 1: a minority ethnic group in Russia. We met in September.

768
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:43,880
Speaker 1: I remember one of those first really cold nights and

769
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:46,320
Speaker 1: I was talking to this person and they were in

770
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 1: Pennsylvania and I checked in with him a few weeks

771
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 1: ago and they're like happily living in Pennsylvania. Can't understand

772
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 1: a word anyone else is saying. It's nice to see

773
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:58,440
Speaker 1: and yeah, you can help those people in whatever community

774
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 1: you're in. And like, if you're further along border, there's

775
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 1: Powha Samaritans, there's no mass worth days. There's humane borders

776
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 1: to songs Amaritans as well. Right, yeah, all along the border,

777
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 1: you know, there are the there are lots of good

778
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:13,279
Speaker 1: people in Texas, right, there's a sidewalk school and brain

779
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:16,879
Speaker 1: also Matamoros, the people at the National Butterfly Center, who

780
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:18,800
Speaker 1: are very nice people who we've heard from before. Like,

781
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 1: all along the border and like all around this country,

782
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 1: there there are things you can do to help, and

783
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:28,839
Speaker 1: I want to reinforce it. It's not like this penurious

784
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:30,839
Speaker 1: thing we do that's miserable and we all get together

785
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:33,319
Speaker 1: and cry every night. Like we do have a nice time,

786
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:35,800
Speaker 1: even though we have seen some really stressful things. Like

787
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:38,239
Speaker 1: we all look after one another and hold space when

788
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:40,799
Speaker 1: people do need help or extra time to process something.

789
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:43,799
Speaker 1: But it's a very supportive community and we support each

790
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 1: other through lots of other things, like aside from this,

791
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:48,800
Speaker 1: and I think a lot of people in general in

792
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:52,400
Speaker 1: the twenty first century America struggle with isolation.

793
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 2: And that's a thing that.

794
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 1: Capitalism does to people, right, it isolates us from each other.

795
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:01,840
Speaker 1: And so hopefully, like I think this is a solution

796
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 1: for me. This this has been a really positive thing,

797
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:06,320
Speaker 1: but like generally my sense of hope.

798
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 4: And yeah, and like what we're doing this kind of

799
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 4: does it's disaster humanitarian relief effort. It's kind of with

800
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 4: the way the climate is going in the world in climate, uh,

801
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 4: climate are.

802
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:19,400
Speaker 1: Going to get less common.

803
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, this will just be getting more common, and like

804
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 4: this kind of like preparing and building community and like

805
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 4: this disaster scenario is going to yeah, definitely be more

806
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 4: in commons.

807
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 3: And it's not that easy to do. I mean, it's

808
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 3: not that hard to do. You know, you just got

809
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 3: to have the intention and then you just got to

810
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:39,279
Speaker 3: get together and do it. That's all that's all you

811
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 3: really need to do.

812
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 1: Don't think that it's like this. If someone had said

813
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:45,760
Speaker 1: to us, what plus or minus fifty thousand people probably

814
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 1: have come through. I have no idea on the numbers,

815
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 1: but somewhere around there.

816
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, probably more than that.

817
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, if we like I remember in May when we

818
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:55,800
Speaker 1: cleaned up the first o ads, when we were, like

819
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 1: when I first met your mum and dad, John, we

820
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:00,279
Speaker 1: were cleaning up the first o ads and were Wow,

821
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:02,240
Speaker 1: that was a horrible thing that happened. That was really fucked.

822
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:06,279
Speaker 1: If someone had said, right, well, between now and next March,

823
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:08,279
Speaker 1: fifty thousand people will come through here and it's mostly

824
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 1: going to be you guys who are here picking up trash,

825
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:12,399
Speaker 1: and that's that's what it's going to be. Like, it's

826
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 1: on you. It would have been it would have seemed overwhelming, right,

827
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 1: But I don't think people should feel afraid to confront

828
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 1: these big problems because like, between the group of people

829
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 1: who we've assembled here, we've been able to confront this

830
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 1: problem and make it survivable and treat people with dignity

831
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 1: and bring some dignity and humanity into a situation where

832
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:32,440
Speaker 1: there wasn't any right.

833
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:35,319
Speaker 4: No, Yeah, And there's a role for everybody no matter

834
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:37,279
Speaker 4: what you do, you can find your niche of what

835
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:40,800
Speaker 4: you know, you makes you feel good, or something that

836
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 4: you're good at, you know. Yeah, it's finding the little

837
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 4: fascists that destroyed our things online and doing all that

838
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 4: online footwork, or it's building shelters, or it's making PB

839
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 4: and J's.

840
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 1: Or our friends made our website, they made a really

841
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 1: good website.

842
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:59,320
Speaker 4: Website, yeah, or even yeah, just being someone that speaks

843
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 4: multiple langs whiches is a huge need out here, especially

844
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 4: I mean Spanish is pretty common, but the harder languages,

845
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:08,400
Speaker 4: like I mean Mandarin.

846
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 3: Yeah.

847
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you speak Mandarin and then you reach out

848
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:13,359
Speaker 1: to us and we can call you, then that will

849
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 1: be huge, right Really in a medical emergency, that could

850
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:18,239
Speaker 1: be a life or death thing. So there were there

851
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 1: were a ton of ways to help and re encourage

852
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:22,160
Speaker 1: people to kind of go up to the can Where

853
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:24,360
Speaker 1: can people follow along with YouTube? Do you have like

854
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 1: social media or anything that you want to plug?

855
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:33,320
Speaker 3: I don't. I'm gonna keep minding the world such beautiful.

856
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 2: Yeah.

857
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:37,320
Speaker 4: One of the how I got involved in this is

858
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 4: through members of a drum line that I am part of,

859
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:42,319
Speaker 4: So we show up for protests, have been since twenty

860
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:46,239
Speaker 4: twenty Direct Action drum Line on Instagram. We post a

861
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:51,360
Speaker 4: lot of different stuff from organizing for Palestine to you know,

862
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:53,279
Speaker 4: we were doing a lot of Black Lives Matter stuff

863
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 4: early in twenty twenty and now it's you know, kind

864
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:57,719
Speaker 4: of cross mixed with border aids since I've been out here.

865
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 4: So we occasionally will make posts so you can follow

866
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:05,880
Speaker 4: along there. Alo Gelato is a good one to follow

867
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 4: on social media inco Paul Wellness on Instagram Borderlands Relief Collective.

868
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 4: I'm sure a lot of the people listening already follow

869
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 4: a lot, yeah of these people, but yeah, there's a

870
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 4: network through all of that. And so once you start

871
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:20,799
Speaker 4: following one or the other, we all tag each other

872
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 4: and reshare each other's stuff, so you can get involved

873
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Speaker 4: that way and figure out what's going on.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and the is it bored? What's the website for?

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Speaker 2: That's a great resource.

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Speaker 1: It's a good website. And like, if you are facing

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Speaker 1: we've definitely made a lot of mistakes and we've learned

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Speaker 1: reinvent the wheels somewhere else right like you know, you

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Speaker 2: Learn Surely's technique.

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Speaker 1: All right, Thank you so much, guys, I really appreciate

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Speaker 1: your time.

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Speaker 2: I'm glature to thank you, Jess. It could Happen here

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Speaker 2: as a production of cool Zone Media. For more podcasts from.

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Speaker 3: Cool Zone Media, visit our website coolzonemedia dot com, or

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Speaker 1: Thanks for listening,