WEBVTT - Pardon Me: Give US Free! 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:03.760 Native Landpod is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership with 0:00:03.880 --> 0:00:05.080 Reason Choice Media. 0:00:05.600 --> 0:00:08.320 Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome. 0:00:08.000 --> 0:00:09.440 Welcome, Welcome home. 0:00:09.560 --> 0:00:09.800 Y'all. 0:00:09.840 --> 0:00:13.160 This is episode fifty six of Native Lampod. I am 0:00:13.240 --> 0:00:15.880 so so grateful to be joined by my friends and 0:00:15.920 --> 0:00:19.280 co hosts Tiffany Cross and Andrew Gillim. I'm Angela Rye 0:00:19.440 --> 0:00:21.800 and today we got a lot to talk about. So 0:00:21.800 --> 0:00:23.799 what are we getting into today, y'all? Freedom is on 0:00:23.840 --> 0:00:25.439 the line for me. That's all things I want to 0:00:25.440 --> 0:00:27.600 talk about. I want to hear what you guys got, Andrew, 0:00:27.680 --> 0:00:33.600 what do you have? Well, Andrew's on mute, so I'll 0:00:33.600 --> 0:00:38.080 hop in. I don't know why Andrew mutes, but I'm gonna. 0:00:38.520 --> 0:00:41.280 I want to talk about there were there were twelve 0:00:41.360 --> 0:00:45.280 men since September of this year who set themselves a 0:00:45.440 --> 0:00:49.640 blaze in protests to conditions in their prison. So I 0:00:49.680 --> 0:00:52.839 want to talk about the state of prisons in this country. 0:00:53.360 --> 0:00:57.080 Wow. Well, Trump continues to transition transition and as he 0:00:57.160 --> 0:01:00.240 takes aim at DOJ Department of Justice in the YEA, 0:01:00.760 --> 0:01:03.760 I'd like for us to charogate the history of the 0:01:03.840 --> 0:01:07.319 FBI and it's historic violence toward black folks, and where 0:01:07.319 --> 0:01:08.119 we put that today. 0:01:08.840 --> 0:01:11.920 Well, speaking of the justice system, I want to talk 0:01:11.959 --> 0:01:16.640 about Joe Biden pardoning Hunter Biden and who else should 0:01:16.640 --> 0:01:18.600 be on that list. As you all have seen, he 0:01:18.720 --> 0:01:21.920 has the lowest pardon record since Richard Nixon. So I 0:01:22.000 --> 0:01:23.800 want to talk about that, and if there's time, I 0:01:23.800 --> 0:01:27.040 also want to talk about Mitch McConnell's surprise or not 0:01:27.080 --> 0:01:31.040 so surprising hypocrisy on judicial appointments. So that's what we got. 0:01:31.120 --> 0:01:35.880 Let's get into it. So pardons has been the topic 0:01:35.920 --> 0:01:38.520 of conversation everywhere, and of course we're going to talk 0:01:38.520 --> 0:01:40.760 about it right here at Native Lampid. We're going to 0:01:40.840 --> 0:01:41.600 start with this question. 0:01:42.959 --> 0:01:49.440 Hey, Native Lampod Kimberly Archie, I'm just wondering, can Biden 0:01:49.800 --> 0:01:57.000 step down and appoint Kamawan president for the next sixty 0:01:57.080 --> 0:02:04.600 days where she can pardon Hunter Biden and flip some 0:02:04.640 --> 0:02:09.400 tables over legislatively while she's president. 0:02:10.320 --> 0:02:18.320 Imagine her being the person to transition the powerful position 0:02:19.400 --> 0:02:23.960 to forty seven. Actually she would be forty seven and 0:02:24.040 --> 0:02:28.080 he would be forty eight, which would really mess up 0:02:28.120 --> 0:02:31.279 all of his merch. 0:02:32.720 --> 0:02:37.120 Think about that, but I like that, petty, Okay, So 0:02:37.320 --> 0:02:41.160 I like that, Petty, I want to talk about Joe Biden, 0:02:41.919 --> 0:02:46.160 who has said repeatedly he would not pardon Hunter Biden. 0:02:46.680 --> 0:02:49.760 He has now pardoned Hunter Biden. And so my focus 0:02:49.800 --> 0:02:52.360 group question is not being in public. My focus group 0:02:52.440 --> 0:02:54.720 question is do y'all think he's wrong for that? 0:02:55.040 --> 0:02:55.520 I don't. 0:02:56.040 --> 0:02:57.960 I'm just curious to know that. And then I want 0:02:58.000 --> 0:02:59.640 to get into who else should be pardoned. 0:03:01.160 --> 0:03:02.400 I don't think he's wrong for that. 0:03:02.440 --> 0:03:06.600 I think any parent would have pardoned their children if 0:03:06.639 --> 0:03:11.560 in the same position. You know, I would pardon you guys. 0:03:11.600 --> 0:03:14.320 I would pardon your parents. I would pardon your kids 0:03:14.360 --> 0:03:16.120 if I had the power of the pen to do that. 0:03:16.600 --> 0:03:19.679 I wouldn't fall no matter what side of the divide 0:03:19.800 --> 0:03:23.519 this is. I would understand any parent pardoning their child. 0:03:23.800 --> 0:03:26.840 But I think the subtext here is what they were 0:03:26.880 --> 0:03:29.680 accusing Hunter Biden of was some bullshit. At the end 0:03:29.680 --> 0:03:33.520 of the day, like this was you know, political theater 0:03:33.840 --> 0:03:37.440 put on by the Republican Party. It is not analogous 0:03:37.480 --> 0:03:43.720 to the Mueller report or you know, the the impeachment hearings. 0:03:43.800 --> 0:03:46.880 Like this was a very it was a witch hunt, 0:03:46.920 --> 0:03:50.440 and so I don't really I think putting a lot 0:03:50.440 --> 0:03:54.920 of this emphasis on Hunter Biden's pardon. Quite frankly, somebody 0:03:54.960 --> 0:03:58.360 tweet I can't remember who it was. It was like 0:03:58.440 --> 0:04:01.960 the executive director appointer. I think somebody tweeted and said 0:04:02.000 --> 0:04:04.000 no matter how you feel or posted, I should say, 0:04:04.000 --> 0:04:05.680 because it wasn't on Twitter. But no matter how you 0:04:05.720 --> 0:04:09.160 feel about the Hunter Biden story, it certainly is not 0:04:09.320 --> 0:04:12.840 the biggest story this week. And I just think that's 0:04:12.880 --> 0:04:14.760 a big part of it. Like, why are we even 0:04:15.000 --> 0:04:18.480 talking about, Yeah, he pardoned his son. Anybody's gonna do that, Like, Okay, 0:04:18.480 --> 0:04:20.720 he did it. Next, let's think about all of the 0:04:21.080 --> 0:04:24.359 craziness coming out of the Trump administration. But in the 0:04:24.360 --> 0:04:27.560 echo chambers, all you heard about was this Hunter Biden pardon. 0:04:27.640 --> 0:04:29.799 So no, I don't think he was wrong at all. 0:04:29.960 --> 0:04:32.120 Let me ask you this, because there are folks who 0:04:32.400 --> 0:04:36.480 are feeling somewhat frustrated because when they have sought pardons 0:04:36.920 --> 0:04:40.599 for people who are equally deserving, this administration has been silent. 0:04:41.320 --> 0:04:44.000 One of them is a case that we're very familiar with. 0:04:44.040 --> 0:04:47.320 The close to is our friend Marilyn Moseby. And my 0:04:47.440 --> 0:04:50.320 biggest gripe here is not that he that he pardoned 0:04:50.400 --> 0:04:52.640 Hunter Biden again, tip to your point, I would have 0:04:52.760 --> 0:04:55.200 agreed and done the same thing. It is the fact 0:04:55.240 --> 0:04:59.960 that the same prosecutor who was attached to and prosecuted 0:05:00.160 --> 0:05:03.560 and was on a witch hunt against Maryland is the 0:05:03.600 --> 0:05:06.080 same prosecutor who was a science of the Hunter Biden case. 0:05:06.279 --> 0:05:08.560 This man's name is Leo Wise. Y'all should look him up. 0:05:08.560 --> 0:05:11.080 We talked about on the podcast prior Before I go 0:05:11.120 --> 0:05:13.000 down my rabbit hole, Andrew, I want to hear where 0:05:13.040 --> 0:05:13.520 you're at on this. 0:05:13.920 --> 0:05:16.000 Can I before you answer, Andrew, can I ask Angela 0:05:16.040 --> 0:05:19.839 a quick question? Because we love you know Maryland obviously 0:05:19.920 --> 0:05:23.600 you know we know her personally, but what does because 0:05:23.640 --> 0:05:26.919 she didn't serve prison time, So if you can just 0:05:27.000 --> 0:05:32.480 remind us what is her current punishment I guess, and 0:05:32.520 --> 0:05:34.560 why a pardon matters for her. 0:05:35.720 --> 0:05:41.040 So, Marilyn Moseby is currently on house arrest. She is 0:05:41.400 --> 0:05:44.159 someone who is in the car Storo system. Still, she 0:05:44.279 --> 0:05:48.080 has to check in with a probation officer, she has 0:05:48.160 --> 0:05:52.159 to follow a curfew. She has a job offer that 0:05:52.320 --> 0:05:54.480 you know, she was really excited about that she's not 0:05:54.480 --> 0:05:57.680 been able to take because it requires some travel. Her 0:05:57.760 --> 0:06:01.599 law license is still on the line. The forfeiture of 0:06:01.640 --> 0:06:04.640 her property. The properties that she purchased still on the line. 0:06:04.680 --> 0:06:07.000 She had to sell one, there's another one that is 0:06:07.680 --> 0:06:11.760 potentially in jeopardy because of this conviction, and so there 0:06:11.839 --> 0:06:14.000 is so much on the line. Just because you didn't 0:06:14.000 --> 0:06:16.719 actually go to jail doesn't mean that you're not in 0:06:16.760 --> 0:06:18.800 the carceral system. And I will tell you, guys, the 0:06:18.839 --> 0:06:21.400 other thing that is a little troubling for me, And 0:06:21.440 --> 0:06:23.960 this is where I, like many of the others who 0:06:23.960 --> 0:06:26.359 are frustrated by Joe Biden's hypocrisy on this. It's not 0:06:26.400 --> 0:06:28.080 that he said he wouldn't. I don't know why he 0:06:28.120 --> 0:06:30.920 said that he wouldn't, to begin with, pardon Hunter Biden. 0:06:31.720 --> 0:06:34.320 But what they did say at the White House in 0:06:34.360 --> 0:06:37.599 our conversations is that they would not get involved before 0:06:38.440 --> 0:06:43.159 the full trial was over, before the sentencing of Marilyn Moseby, 0:06:43.160 --> 0:06:47.560 they would not get involved. Guess who hasn't been sentenced, Biden, 0:06:47.720 --> 0:06:51.520 Hunter Biden. Yeah, So I just need to understand what 0:06:51.560 --> 0:06:53.840 it is if you say, well, you know, we will 0:06:53.920 --> 0:06:56.200 get involved, but y'all didn't turn into part and application. Okay, 0:06:56.200 --> 0:06:57.839 we turn it in part and application where we wouldn't 0:06:57.880 --> 0:07:00.599 get involved. But y'all, she hasn't been sent yet. Okay, 0:07:00.600 --> 0:07:03.119 now she's been sentenced. What is the hold up now? 0:07:03.320 --> 0:07:05.960 Because it's the same person. In fact, the same argument 0:07:06.000 --> 0:07:09.120 that Joe Biden used in his statement about why he 0:07:09.200 --> 0:07:13.080 wanted to pardon Hunter. Biden is because of selective prosecution. 0:07:13.400 --> 0:07:15.680 That is what we argued in the Maryland Mosby case. 0:07:16.000 --> 0:07:19.559 It's the exact same thing. And so my lawyer in mind, 0:07:19.880 --> 0:07:23.640 exactly it's the same unit. Right, there are folks right 0:07:23.680 --> 0:07:27.040 now choquit lamonba who is who's being targeted by this 0:07:27.160 --> 0:07:30.520 same Department of Justice, same agents that were involved in 0:07:30.520 --> 0:07:33.800 Andrew's case. Over and over again. It's the same thing. 0:07:34.080 --> 0:07:34.360 And so. 0:07:35.880 --> 0:07:41.120 Yes, black mayor surprise, surprise, So we keep going through 0:07:41.160 --> 0:07:44.800 this same thing. And Marilyn Mosby is an example of 0:07:44.840 --> 0:07:48.480 a larger issue with the justice or the injustice system 0:07:48.520 --> 0:07:51.600 and the carceral system. It has to be fixed. And 0:07:51.640 --> 0:07:56.120 if Joe Biden, who is responsible for authoring the crime bill, 0:07:56.600 --> 0:07:59.520 cannot see the issue here, he's already said, you know, 0:07:59.560 --> 0:08:04.280 we're gonna parden some marijuana offenses, all of them, all 0:08:04.360 --> 0:08:08.080 nonviolent drug offenses. Period. Do you know forty four percent 0:08:08.480 --> 0:08:12.480 of those incarcerated federal prison are drug related offenses. Pardon 0:08:12.560 --> 0:08:15.600 these folks. Some of this is the vestige of your work, 0:08:16.120 --> 0:08:18.239 and it can't just apply to your son. You can't 0:08:18.280 --> 0:08:22.040 just have compassion in your heart for your son who 0:08:22.080 --> 0:08:25.239 struggle with addiction. There are many people who struggle with addiction, 0:08:25.600 --> 0:08:28.720 who have lied on applications or who stole because of 0:08:28.760 --> 0:08:31.640 their addiction. You have to have compassion for all these people. 0:08:32.440 --> 0:08:36.080 Yeah. Yeah, when you mentioned the drug system and almost 0:08:36.080 --> 0:08:38.520 half the prison population and being there as a result 0:08:38.559 --> 0:08:41.280 of we all should say in direct credit to the 0:08:41.360 --> 0:08:44.360 United States government, who is in part, quite a great 0:08:44.400 --> 0:08:47.760 part responsible for much of the infiltration of drugs into 0:08:47.760 --> 0:08:51.640 this country, the introduction of it into our communities, very specifically, 0:08:51.960 --> 0:08:54.800 and those are facts and non fiction. The other consequence, 0:08:55.240 --> 0:09:00.560 partly of Maryland's the penalties that she faces, the jobs 0:09:00.559 --> 0:09:03.400 that she'll never be able to apply for, and many 0:09:03.440 --> 0:09:05.600 of which in the federal government, which because of a 0:09:05.640 --> 0:09:13.600 federal finding of guilt you're automatically disqualified from. 0:09:13.640 --> 0:09:13.800 Now. 0:09:13.840 --> 0:09:15.959 Of course, that does not apply to the presidency of 0:09:16.000 --> 0:09:19.400 the United States. You all know which I want to 0:09:19.440 --> 0:09:21.400 spend my time, all right, you know, right at this 0:09:21.559 --> 0:09:25.360 very second. But y'all the I'm of course not upset 0:09:25.559 --> 0:09:29.280 with the President for the partning here, partly because it 0:09:29.360 --> 0:09:33.400 is the President, in fact, the reason why Hunter was 0:09:33.480 --> 0:09:35.720 charged in the first place. Had he been Hunter Smith, 0:09:36.440 --> 0:09:40.160 this would never have been a charge Leo Wise. The 0:09:40.200 --> 0:09:42.560 only other case is to your point givity, where in 0:09:42.840 --> 0:09:46.520 this gun charge was ever bought before in that district 0:09:46.600 --> 0:09:50.280 was once before, and it was summarily dismissed by the prosecutor. 0:09:50.400 --> 0:09:53.200 They chose to drop it and not move forward. Yet 0:09:53.200 --> 0:09:55.240 in this case, they decided to go after this man 0:09:55.280 --> 0:09:58.800 after a possession of a weapon for twenty four hours 0:09:59.480 --> 0:10:02.840 while active addiction. While most of us who know people 0:10:02.840 --> 0:10:04.960 who have been addicted, I have and others I know 0:10:06.480 --> 0:10:10.320 you are very much so in denial about being an addiction, 0:10:10.440 --> 0:10:13.520 and so part of that question and answering that question 0:10:13.720 --> 0:10:16.360 is a person being able to even recognize that they 0:10:16.360 --> 0:10:19.839 are in active addiction when they take in action, take 0:10:19.880 --> 0:10:23.360 a step. Most people in an addiction are the last 0:10:23.400 --> 0:10:26.280 ones to see it and are the last to admit 0:10:26.559 --> 0:10:29.800 that they have a problem. My biggest issue, and Angela 0:10:29.800 --> 0:10:32.600 and you hinted at this, is that this is not 0:10:33.520 --> 0:10:38.200 a new occurrence and our understanding from a public policy standpoint, 0:10:38.200 --> 0:10:41.000 which the President is chief at that you have to 0:10:41.120 --> 0:10:43.560 understand that it's not just in your relationship to a 0:10:43.600 --> 0:10:46.600 person under which you understand the circumstances of an injustice. 0:10:46.880 --> 0:10:49.240 You ought to be able to recognize an injustice on 0:10:49.360 --> 0:10:53.480 his face when it happens. And selective prosecution going after 0:10:53.520 --> 0:10:56.320 individuals because of the positions they hold and who they 0:10:56.360 --> 0:10:59.280 may be related to, not because of an offensive they've created, 0:10:59.640 --> 0:11:02.640 is problematic, period. And so he's got what forty some 0:11:02.640 --> 0:11:05.320 of our days, y'all. I want to see what the 0:11:05.440 --> 0:11:09.280 pardon list looks like as he rushes to a close. 0:11:09.360 --> 0:11:11.320 But I want to hold my biggest beef for the 0:11:11.360 --> 0:11:14.960 Democrats who are out here on television talking about how this, 0:11:15.240 --> 0:11:19.160 you know, the action by Joe Biden is offensive, and 0:11:19.200 --> 0:11:22.040 they're clutching pearls and they're, you know, losing their head 0:11:22.120 --> 0:11:24.920 over this action. And we just gifted Donald Trump something. Well, 0:11:24.960 --> 0:11:26.880 guess what all the things you think you gifted Donald 0:11:26.920 --> 0:11:28.720 Trump he was accusing us of in the first place. 0:11:28.880 --> 0:11:30.840 He was already accusing of the president of running a 0:11:30.880 --> 0:11:34.480 partial justice department that went after Republicans and and and 0:11:34.920 --> 0:11:37.560 stayed off Democrats. They were already saying he's the most 0:11:37.559 --> 0:11:40.800 corrupt president in the history of this country. So why 0:11:40.920 --> 0:11:44.199 is it that our beef with Biden has to be 0:11:44.280 --> 0:11:47.120 in proximity to what Trump and his supporters and Republicans 0:11:47.120 --> 0:11:50.640 are going to say, think, and do for Democrats later 0:11:51.120 --> 0:11:53.040 they should be time out for this. I'm so sick 0:11:53.080 --> 0:11:57.280 of Democrats being the establishment to uphold the standard rails, 0:11:57.600 --> 0:12:01.800 but never ever ever seeking to question and interrogate those 0:12:01.920 --> 0:12:05.160 rails of government that quite frankly, have overstepped. And that's 0:12:05.200 --> 0:12:06.599 why I want to talk about the D D o 0:12:06.720 --> 0:12:08.800 jpiece because I think it's it's been that way for 0:12:08.840 --> 0:12:09.520 a very long time. 0:12:09.679 --> 0:12:12.640 I think they're trying to appease people, you know, like 0:12:12.679 --> 0:12:16.200 they're they're there. They're trying to appease this base of voters. 0:12:16.240 --> 0:12:18.480 And it's like, guys, if you haven't learned anything from 0:12:18.520 --> 0:12:21.320 the last election, the people who you're trying to appease 0:12:21.760 --> 0:12:25.000 left you. They are not coming back, right, They're not 0:12:25.040 --> 0:12:28.320 coming back. So instead of trying to appease and walk 0:12:28.360 --> 0:12:30.520 this middle of the road, especially when it comes to 0:12:30.559 --> 0:12:35.120 criminal justice, which has disproportionately harmed us, all you do 0:12:35.200 --> 0:12:37.800 is become political roadkill. When you walk in the middle 0:12:37.800 --> 0:12:40.120 of the road. What if you led with with your 0:12:40.240 --> 0:12:43.360 conscious the conviction and courage of your beliefs, and spoke 0:12:43.440 --> 0:12:46.560 to real life policy. Maybe, just maybe you can inspire 0:12:46.640 --> 0:12:48.760 a new base of voters. Because you know who did that, 0:12:49.040 --> 0:12:52.400 Donald Trump, low propensity, first time voters, helped put him 0:12:52.400 --> 0:12:54.560 in office. There is a whole bunch of other people 0:12:54.559 --> 0:12:56.400 who just sat on the couch to have an opportunity. 0:12:56.400 --> 0:12:58.560 You have an opportunity to tap into those people and 0:12:58.600 --> 0:12:59.600 speak about these things. 0:12:59.600 --> 0:13:02.120 And when you were about to say something. 0:13:02.080 --> 0:13:04.320 Yeah, I was just gonna say. You know, the thing 0:13:04.360 --> 0:13:08.720 that's frustrating to me is we keep saying, like I 0:13:08.760 --> 0:13:12.800 remember being on Capitol Hill and hearing actually one of 0:13:12.840 --> 0:13:15.400 the contenders who I don't think should become DNC chair, 0:13:15.520 --> 0:13:18.440 Ram Emanuel say to a member of Congress who is 0:13:18.760 --> 0:13:22.640 from a battleground state, he told him to vote his conscience. 0:13:23.000 --> 0:13:25.360 And I think that what's missing here is there is 0:13:25.400 --> 0:13:28.040 this idea that you know, you have to do the 0:13:28.120 --> 0:13:30.760 right thing. He was willing to sacrifice his son. Nobody 0:13:30.760 --> 0:13:33.800 asked you to sacrifice your son, Like what would everybody 0:13:33.880 --> 0:13:37.080 else do or want to do or encourage you to do. 0:13:37.120 --> 0:13:40.200 But also, don't forget about the least of these this 0:13:40.200 --> 0:13:44.520 this pardon power should not be reserved for the privileged few. Otherwise, 0:13:44.720 --> 0:13:46.560 what does make you different from Donald Trump? 0:13:46.920 --> 0:13:47.120 Right? 0:13:47.520 --> 0:13:51.160 If Jared Kushner's father could get pardoned and after that 0:13:51.200 --> 0:13:54.640 pardon become the ambassador to France and everybody who is 0:13:54.800 --> 0:13:58.240 proximate to the part and power because of what we're hearing, 0:13:58.520 --> 0:14:01.240 we're hearing allegations that people pay for these pardons under 0:14:01.240 --> 0:14:04.600 the Trump administration. What makes people any different? Does your 0:14:04.679 --> 0:14:07.840 last name have to be Biden to receive a pardon? 0:14:08.040 --> 0:14:11.440 Because what about Kim Gardner? Kim Gardner had to take 0:14:11.520 --> 0:14:15.199 a plea deal, arguably because she couldn't pay for a 0:14:15.280 --> 0:14:19.880 defense Andrew, you know how much it costs five dollars 0:14:20.440 --> 0:14:26.280 a five thousand dollars reimbursement office. Who she is? I'm 0:14:26.320 --> 0:14:30.520 going to write, like from her office a prosecutor who 0:14:30.640 --> 0:14:34.760 like Marilyn Moseby, modeled her office after Kamala Harris in 0:14:34.880 --> 0:14:39.920 Saint Louis. Five thousand dollars reimbursement that the ethics attorney said, 0:14:40.240 --> 0:14:46.480 millions caused you to run that case against Kim Gardner, 0:14:46.480 --> 0:14:48.880 and she took the plea because there was no way 0:14:48.920 --> 0:14:51.200 out for her. They were suffocating her and they made 0:14:51.240 --> 0:14:53.280 it seem like it was going to be private. They 0:14:53.320 --> 0:14:56.360 issued a press release. These are just a couple of 0:14:56.400 --> 0:14:58.040 the names that we can mention. I know there are 0:14:58.080 --> 0:14:58.640 so many other. 0:14:58.720 --> 0:15:01.920 About the apologies. What about the folks that they drug 0:15:02.360 --> 0:15:05.880 like myself through the mud after being in my emails, 0:15:05.920 --> 0:15:08.960 my cell phone, my life, my bank account, my children's 0:15:08.960 --> 0:15:12.320 business for eight years and bought a case with no evidence. 0:15:12.720 --> 0:15:13.440 Yeah, none. 0:15:13.600 --> 0:15:16.200 The financial impact that it has on you, Andrew that 0:15:16.240 --> 0:15:17.320 you talk about saying. 0:15:17.400 --> 0:15:20.920 The emotional right now, y'all, I'll work for the rest 0:15:20.960 --> 0:15:22.720 of my life to pay a million dollars off. But 0:15:24.640 --> 0:15:27.640 it takes on you and legal fees, but the toll 0:15:27.760 --> 0:15:30.320 that it takes on you to have had to stand 0:15:30.400 --> 0:15:33.200 subject of everything you've tried to do and be upright 0:15:33.240 --> 0:15:35.560 in so doing because you feel it, you believe it, 0:15:35.600 --> 0:15:37.960 you're doing it for the right reason. These folks snatch 0:15:38.000 --> 0:15:41.000 away from you like they're just turning on the fucking lamplight. 0:15:41.400 --> 0:15:45.720 That's right, with no apology, no redress. No, I'm sorry 0:15:45.760 --> 0:15:47.680 for what we did. We got it wrong. 0:15:48.040 --> 0:15:51.480 And that's the point as we go to break and 0:15:51.520 --> 0:15:53.480 get ready to talk about what else is wrong with 0:15:53.560 --> 0:15:56.560 that goddamn Department of Justice going down to the FBI. 0:15:56.800 --> 0:15:58.680 We'll get into that on the other side of this break, 0:15:58.760 --> 0:16:00.880 But yes, they not Sorry Andrew, that's the truth. 0:16:01.880 --> 0:16:02.320 That's real. 0:16:15.400 --> 0:16:18.680 So, y'all, our last you know segment really just put 0:16:18.720 --> 0:16:22.720 me even more deeply in this place about Tiffany You're 0:16:22.760 --> 0:16:27.160 comment about Andrew's reference to speak your con about your conscience, 0:16:27.200 --> 0:16:30.160 and then your reference to you know, folks getting up 0:16:30.160 --> 0:16:32.400 there and just speak the truth and see if you 0:16:32.440 --> 0:16:36.440 can't reach voters by just saying a thing is a thing. Well, 0:16:36.560 --> 0:16:39.160 to me, y'all, I think Donald Trump is accomplishing this 0:16:39.280 --> 0:16:42.080 as well as it relates to the Department of Justice. Now, 0:16:42.120 --> 0:16:47.520 of course, I can't stand the folks he's appointing over there, 0:16:47.680 --> 0:16:50.000 don't know the the man he's trying to put over 0:16:50.000 --> 0:16:53.120 the FBI certainly a disruptor, there's no doubt, but also 0:16:53.320 --> 0:16:57.120 himself got some issues. But y'all, any of us who 0:16:57.200 --> 0:16:59.720 could sit here with a straight face and say that 0:16:59.760 --> 0:17:03.400 they're are not deep seated issues in the Department of 0:17:03.560 --> 0:17:08.120 Justice and in the Federal Bureau of Investigations, which reports 0:17:08.200 --> 0:17:11.600 up through the Attorney General, we would be lying to 0:17:11.720 --> 0:17:15.560 ourselves as a community of blacks period. If we go 0:17:15.760 --> 0:17:19.360 back to the FBI's founding and the war on the 0:17:19.359 --> 0:17:24.280 freedom and Liberation movement largely sparked in California and Northern 0:17:24.320 --> 0:17:28.440 California and spread all throughout the country and the world 0:17:28.600 --> 0:17:33.520 as we fought for our freedom. The list of terrorists 0:17:33.560 --> 0:17:36.919 that they kept, domestic terrorists that they kept, which was 0:17:37.040 --> 0:17:40.760 largely held by black folks, Martin Luther King, Malcolm X. 0:17:40.800 --> 0:17:44.040 Stokely, Carmiel, John Lewis was on the no fly list. 0:17:44.080 --> 0:17:46.920 Andrew of course come on like on the no fly 0:17:47.080 --> 0:17:50.119 list after two thousand like fighting when I worked on 0:17:50.119 --> 0:17:52.560 the Homeland Security Committee, they had to get him off 0:17:52.600 --> 0:17:53.680 the no fly list. 0:17:53.880 --> 0:17:59.359 So, in other words, the violence continue until this day, 0:18:00.040 --> 0:18:05.760 islence against our community perpetrated by the federal government visa v. 0:18:06.560 --> 0:18:09.960 The Federal Bureau of Investigations. These are the same people 0:18:10.040 --> 0:18:12.960 you talked about, the mayor of Jackson, Choquay you talked. 0:18:13.359 --> 0:18:16.359 I tell you my example, same agents who are not 0:18:16.480 --> 0:18:20.080 going into communities to snuff out crime. They're not going 0:18:20.080 --> 0:18:23.040 into situations where crime is being committed, and they're trying 0:18:23.080 --> 0:18:26.399 to do the business of problem solving to get a 0:18:26.480 --> 0:18:29.880 problematic individual, person, entity, whatever, out of the way. No, no, no, no, 0:18:29.760 --> 0:18:33.760 no no. They're going in creating crimes, perpetuating these things, 0:18:34.400 --> 0:18:38.040 and then in their best effort, attempting you to be complicit. 0:18:38.080 --> 0:18:40.520 And even when you do the right thing and say no, 0:18:41.359 --> 0:18:44.320 it's too late. You're caught in their web. They have 0:18:44.520 --> 0:18:47.400 invested too much money, They've got to bring charges, and 0:18:47.520 --> 0:18:49.400 they got to look good at the end of the day. 0:18:49.960 --> 0:18:52.440 And the problem is is that, y'all, this has been 0:18:52.520 --> 0:18:56.520 happening not only to our movement leaders, but think about 0:18:56.600 --> 0:18:59.320 I'll just give you one example here in Florida, Florida, 0:18:59.359 --> 0:19:01.800 the highest number of blacks we had representing us in 0:19:01.840 --> 0:19:04.480 Congress and any one particular point in time is three 0:19:04.880 --> 0:19:08.520 at the highlight four And do you know of those four, 0:19:09.320 --> 0:19:14.480 three of them had FBI investigations and the consideration or 0:19:14.560 --> 0:19:19.720 actual charges bought against them as leaders. And so my 0:19:19.840 --> 0:19:22.480 point is is, and we see this through your example, 0:19:22.520 --> 0:19:25.280 Angela and the cases that you've bought out, they are 0:19:25.359 --> 0:19:30.639 intentioned on going after our people, shutting us down. Whether 0:19:30.720 --> 0:19:33.600 we follow the law and do right or whether like 0:19:33.680 --> 0:19:38.440 other individuals, we make mistakes. They are committed to our 0:19:38.520 --> 0:19:43.679 public assassinations. Maybe not in literal form, but very much so. 0:19:43.840 --> 0:19:47.800 In our ability to contribute and exactly and in some 0:19:47.840 --> 0:19:50.119 cases very much so little, and we all know what 0:19:50.160 --> 0:19:53.320 you're talking about there, but their commitment to it is 0:19:53.359 --> 0:19:58.919 so deep, so ingrained, that in my opinion, Donald Trump 0:19:59.000 --> 0:20:01.400 would not be in the ro if his even though 0:20:01.400 --> 0:20:04.760 it may be motivated by, you know, very individual and 0:20:04.800 --> 0:20:08.520 personal reasons, we know enough from our experience as black 0:20:08.520 --> 0:20:11.240 folks in this country that this is not an agency 0:20:11.359 --> 0:20:16.000 out to do in wholesale good by all people. In 0:20:16.040 --> 0:20:19.520 some cases, it is to perpetuate the worst and then 0:20:19.600 --> 0:20:21.280 put it on us to take us out the game. 0:20:21.600 --> 0:20:24.760 I even this is such a go ahead. I think 0:20:24.800 --> 0:20:28.800 this is such a good point and part of like, 0:20:28.960 --> 0:20:31.520 I literally was watching something yesterday. I can't remem if 0:20:31.520 --> 0:20:33.280 I said this to you guys or not, but there 0:20:33.320 --> 0:20:37.399 was a Russian outlet talking about how good it was 0:20:37.560 --> 0:20:42.640 that Donald Trump was getting ready to dismantle the FBI, 0:20:43.680 --> 0:20:48.000 and I found myself in this really interesting predicament. I 0:20:48.080 --> 0:20:51.520 just want to be honest, like very interesting predicament, which 0:20:51.600 --> 0:20:55.119 is he's going to try to just try the garment wall. 0:20:55.160 --> 0:20:57.240 Actually I don't really like the FBI like that, right 0:21:00.080 --> 0:21:02.080 is the one that I want to fight. And the 0:21:02.119 --> 0:21:04.000 reason for that is, you guys, we laugh about this 0:21:04.080 --> 0:21:05.879 all the time, but it's true. I'll be on the 0:21:05.880 --> 0:21:08.640 phone with my dad sometimes, who is an activist whose 0:21:08.840 --> 0:21:13.160 parents received a death threat phone calls just for him 0:21:13.160 --> 0:21:16.120 trying to get the street name changed after Martin Luther 0:21:16.200 --> 0:21:19.760 King from Empire Way and in Seattle. And he always 0:21:19.760 --> 0:21:21.480 will tell us like, maybe don't say that, you know, 0:21:21.520 --> 0:21:24.960 they tapping a phone, Like we have been conditioned to 0:21:25.119 --> 0:21:28.200 believe these things. And I got to tell you, I 0:21:28.200 --> 0:21:30.680 don't bit my trust nobody working in the Jay Edgar 0:21:30.760 --> 0:21:33.880 Hoover Building at all, you know, Like, and I think 0:21:33.920 --> 0:21:35.720 we have to be honest with this. So I'm trying 0:21:35.720 --> 0:21:38.600 to think and what the thing that gives me comfort 0:21:38.960 --> 0:21:42.240 is what the Congressional black HAWKUS founders used to say, 0:21:42.760 --> 0:21:47.280 which is there are no permanent friends, no permanent enemies, 0:21:47.920 --> 0:21:51.160 just permanent interests. So what are some of the things 0:21:51.160 --> 0:21:53.159 when we look at like we've looked at all of 0:21:53.440 --> 0:21:56.359 Donald Trump's appointments. We continue to dig through that as 0:21:56.400 --> 0:21:59.720 we talk about these each week on the podcast. Tip 0:21:59.800 --> 0:22:01.320 was like, you should just forget it. It's late by 0:22:01.359 --> 0:22:03.800 the time He's appointing so many people they would draw 0:22:04.600 --> 0:22:08.600 but here's the thing. If we are able to wrestle 0:22:08.640 --> 0:22:12.720 with what we would actually be in favor of and 0:22:12.840 --> 0:22:16.160 be honest about it, because there are things that Donald 0:22:16.200 --> 0:22:21.720