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Speaker 1: Welcome, Welcome home.

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Speaker 3: Y'all.

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Speaker 1: This is episode fifty six of Native Lampod. I am

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Speaker 1: so so grateful to be joined by my friends and

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Speaker 1: co hosts Tiffany Cross and Andrew Gillim. I'm Angela Rye

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Speaker 1: and today we got a lot to talk about. So

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Speaker 1: what are we getting into today, y'all? Freedom is on

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Speaker 1: the line for me. That's all things I want to

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Speaker 1: talk about. I want to hear what you guys got, Andrew,

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Speaker 1: what do you have? Well, Andrew's on mute, so I'll

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Speaker 1: hop in. I don't know why Andrew mutes, but I'm gonna.

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Speaker 1: I want to talk about there were there were twelve

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Speaker 1: men since September of this year who set themselves a

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Speaker 1: blaze in protests to conditions in their prison. So I

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Speaker 1: want to talk about the state of prisons in this country.

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Speaker 4: Wow. Well, Trump continues to transition transition and as he

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Speaker 4: takes aim at DOJ Department of Justice in the YEA,

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Speaker 4: I'd like for us to charogate the history of the

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Speaker 4: FBI and it's historic violence toward black folks, and where

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Speaker 4: we put that today.

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Speaker 1: Well, speaking of the justice system, I want to talk

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Speaker 1: about Joe Biden pardoning Hunter Biden and who else should

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Speaker 1: be on that list. As you all have seen, he

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Speaker 1: has the lowest pardon record since Richard Nixon. So I

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Speaker 1: want to talk about that, and if there's time, I

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Speaker 1: also want to talk about Mitch McConnell's surprise or not

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Speaker 1: so surprising hypocrisy on judicial appointments. So that's what we got.

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Speaker 1: Let's get into it. So pardons has been the topic

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Speaker 1: of conversation everywhere, and of course we're going to talk

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Speaker 1: about it right here at Native Lampid. We're going to

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Speaker 1: start with this question.

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Speaker 5: Hey, Native Lampod Kimberly Archie, I'm just wondering, can Biden

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Speaker 5: step down and appoint Kamawan president for the next sixty

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Speaker 5: days where she can pardon Hunter Biden and flip some

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Speaker 5: tables over legislatively while she's president.

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Speaker 6: Imagine her being the person to transition the powerful position

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Speaker 6: to forty seven. Actually she would be forty seven and

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Speaker 6: he would be forty eight, which would really mess up

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Speaker 6: all of his merch.

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Speaker 7: Think about that, but I like that, petty, Okay, So

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Speaker 7: I like that, Petty, I want to talk about Joe Biden,

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Speaker 7: who has said repeatedly he would not pardon Hunter Biden.

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Speaker 1: He has now pardoned Hunter Biden. And so my focus

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Speaker 1: group question is not being in public. My focus group

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Speaker 1: question is do y'all think he's wrong for that?

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Speaker 5: I don't.

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Speaker 1: I'm just curious to know that. And then I want

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Speaker 1: to get into who else should be pardoned.

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Speaker 8: I don't think he's wrong for that.

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Speaker 9: I think any parent would have pardoned their children if

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Speaker 9: in the same position. You know, I would pardon you guys.

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Speaker 9: I would pardon your parents. I would pardon your kids

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Speaker 9: if I had the power of the pen to do that.

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Speaker 9: I wouldn't fall no matter what side of the divide

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Speaker 9: this is. I would understand any parent pardoning their child.

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Speaker 9: But I think the subtext here is what they were

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Speaker 9: accusing Hunter Biden of was some bullshit. At the end

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Speaker 9: of the day, like this was you know, political theater

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Speaker 9: to the Mueller report or you know, the the impeachment hearings.

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Speaker 9: Like this was a very it was a witch hunt,

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Speaker 9: and so I don't really I think putting a lot

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Speaker 9: talking about, Yeah, he pardoned his son. Anybody's gonna do that, Like, Okay,

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Speaker 9: he did it. Next, let's think about all of the

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Speaker 1: One of them is a case that we're very familiar with.

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Speaker 1: This man's name is Leo Wise. Y'all should look him up.

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Speaker 1: We talked about on the podcast prior Before I go

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Speaker 1: down my rabbit hole, Andrew, I want to hear where

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Speaker 9: Can I before you answer, Andrew, can I ask Angela

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Speaker 9: a quick question? Because we love you know Maryland obviously

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Speaker 9: you know we know her personally, but what does because

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Speaker 1: So, Marilyn Moseby is currently on house arrest. She is

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Speaker 1: you know, she was really excited about that she's not

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Speaker 1: law license is still on the line. The forfeiture of

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Speaker 1: But what they did say at the White House in

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Speaker 1: it is if you say, well, you know, we will

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Speaker 1: now she's been sentenced. What is the hold up now?

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Speaker 1: Because it's the same person. In fact, the same argument

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Speaker 1: That is what we argued in the Maryland Mosby case.

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Speaker 1: It's the exact same thing. And so my lawyer in mind,

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Speaker 1: exactly it's the same unit. Right, there are folks right

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Speaker 1: now choquit lamonba who is who's being targeted by this

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Speaker 1: Andrew's case. Over and over again. It's the same thing.

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Speaker 1: Yes, black mayor surprise, surprise, So we keep going through

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Speaker 1: a larger issue with the justice or the injustice system

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Speaker 1: if Joe Biden, who is responsible for authoring the crime bill,

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Speaker 1: cannot see the issue here, he's already said, you know,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna parden some marijuana offenses, all of them, all

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Speaker 1: nonviolent drug offenses. Period. Do you know forty four percent

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Speaker 1: and it can't just apply to your son. You can't

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, when you mentioned the drug system and almost

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Speaker 4: Of course, that does not apply to the presidency of

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Speaker 9: with foreign medaling itself. Then you cut to one hundred

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Speaker 9: years later, a century later, not quite, but ninety eight

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Speaker 9: years later, in twenty seventeen, the reporting came out that

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Speaker 9: the FBI had another watch list of black identity extremists.

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Speaker 8: And some of our friends were on this list. Black

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Speaker 8: Lives Matter were on this list.

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Speaker 9: So I think it's really dangerous and some of our

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Speaker 9: luminaries throughout history have been on the FBI list. Cash

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Speaker 9: Battel is the person who Donald Trump has tapped to

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Speaker 9: take over the FBI. Of course, right now it's FBI

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Speaker 9: Director Chris Ray. Donald Trump can't just tap people. This

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Speaker 9: person has to be appointed or approved by the Senate

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Speaker 9: and he you would also have to fire Chris Ray.

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Speaker 9: And the term for these directors write our ten years,

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Speaker 9: so they could go across administrations. That is the whole

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Speaker 9: point that they're not supposed to be political. I just

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Speaker 9: want to tell the viewers a little bit about Cash Betel.

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Speaker 9: He is a forty year old extremist. He is a

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Speaker 9: lawyer with very little government experience. He was tapped by

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Speaker 9: this trumpet, minished and rose rapidly there. Now, you guys

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Speaker 9: know how many loyals well out of New Jersey eventually

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Speaker 9: out of Florida. Yeah, but you guys know how many

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Speaker 9: loyalists surround Donald Trump. That's how you get to rise

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Speaker 9: in that administration by being loyal to him. Among the loyalists,

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Speaker 9: Cash Betel was considered the most loyal. Why that should

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Speaker 9: be frightening is he doesn't he's not an expert on

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Speaker 9: a lot and what might he be willing to do

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Speaker 9: to appease his boss. One of the people, Mark Milly,

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Speaker 9: who was the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff

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Speaker 9: at the time, had to pull him aside and say,

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Speaker 9: do not break the law in order to appease Donald Trump,

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Speaker 9: because life behind bars isn't great. He was raised Hindu parents,

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Speaker 9: grew up in East Africa. They were Reagan Republicans. He

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Speaker 9: was only a handful of people of color in his class. Well,

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Speaker 9: once he went to law school. That's when he went

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Speaker 9: to Florida. Like you said, Andrew and was a public defender,

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Speaker 9: so was doing good work, and people saw him get

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Speaker 9: radicalized and he became more to the right, more to

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Speaker 9: the right, and then he startedizing off his government experience,

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Speaker 9: selling wine scarves, tank tops, ridiculousness, I mean, making a

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Speaker 9: mockery of government. He worked a security consultant for the

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Speaker 9: Qatar government during the twenty two twenty twenty two five

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Speaker 9: Foot Cup. He is willing to do anything he has said,

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Speaker 9: and had I had time, I would have pulled this down.

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Speaker 9: He has said we will go after the media criminally

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Speaker 9: or civilly. He has been one of the loudest people

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Speaker 9: who says he wants to expose the deep state within

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Speaker 9: the halls of the FBI. Imagine what somebody liked this,

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Speaker 9: with access to all types of information with security clearance,

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Speaker 9: could do in order to weaponize his position to appease

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Speaker 9: a political infant like Donald Trump. This is something we

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Speaker 9: have to pay attention to.

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Speaker 4: I want to on his hitness absolutely the top absolutely

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Speaker 4: lists of people he wanted to go after. I agree.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I think the person Tiffany, to your point,

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Speaker 4: which we have to interrogate obviously, is is woefully wrong

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Speaker 4: and unqualified and all that other stuff. But I tell

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Speaker 4: you another thing, and institutionalists who believes that all systems

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Speaker 4: and structures of our government are beyond reproach is also

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Speaker 4: a bad idea. I don't know who that person is,

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Speaker 4: and I don't think Donald Trump probably has the capacity

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Speaker 4: to a point somebody qualified for these kinds of positions.

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Speaker 4: But the institutional list, which unfortunately it feels to me

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Speaker 4: like the party, the Democratic Party itself, is molding increasingly

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Speaker 4: into sort of the standard bearers for the status quo.

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Speaker 4: The institution is itself. And yes, there are parts of

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Speaker 4: the institution that must be stabilized for the for the

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Speaker 4: the frankly well being of the American people and our

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Speaker 4: interaction with the global community. But then there are other

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Speaker 4: parts of this system, FBI being one of them. The

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Speaker 4: Department of Justice, you know, in part and in some

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Speaker 4: cases almost in full, very little exception, have done tremendous violence,

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Speaker 4: have had rules and laws propagated off of the activities

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Speaker 4: that they have observed us to do. And that is

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Speaker 4: the only reason why certain things have become illegal. Federally

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Speaker 4: have created sentencing guidelines perpetuated off of not the horrendous

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Speaker 4: nature of a crime, but the nature of the person

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Speaker 4: who has done that crime. To me, that's ass backwards,

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Speaker 4: that's discriminatory, it's wrong. It ought to be leveled. And

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Speaker 4: if the Democratic Party can't stand up and look at

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Speaker 4: a thing and call it exactly what it is, they

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Speaker 4: can't hope to gain any credibility with the American voter

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Speaker 4: who sees these things every day. They see it, perpetuate it.

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Speaker 4: They see y'all drop the charges against Donald Trump across

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Speaker 4: all federal counts after he becomes the nomination the president

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Speaker 4: to be. And you don't think people are saying, well,

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Speaker 4: that looks political to me now, But yet you you

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Speaker 4: crying about Hunter Bideny, Well, let.

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Speaker 1: Me let what's on this point. I'm so glad you

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Speaker 1: brought it up because I forgot to bring it up

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Speaker 1: when we were talking about pardons. We have a clip

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Speaker 1: from Joe Manchon that I want to run as we

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Speaker 1: go to break. Let's talk about it on the other side.

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Speaker 1: Let's hit that clip.

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Speaker 10: Nick as a.

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Speaker 11: Father, I don't know if a father that wouldn't have

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Speaker 11: done the same thing. What I would have done differently,

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Speaker 11: in my recommendation as a counselor, would have been, why

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Speaker 11: don't you go ahead and pardon Donald Trump for all

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Speaker 11: his charges and make it you know, it had gone

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Speaker 11: down a lot more balanced, if you will.

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Speaker 9: Welcome back everybody. I just wanted to say really quickly

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Speaker 9: about Joe Manchin. His an independent senator from West Virginia.

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Speaker 9: Bug Joe Manchin, Okay, Like this guy has been such

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Speaker 9: a problem in the Senate. Nobody even ask your opinion

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Speaker 9: on this, and I just I think that is part.

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Speaker 8: Of the problem. It is their side of the divide

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Speaker 8: can express.

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Speaker 9: Empathy only when it's people who look like them. They

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Speaker 9: can express empathy only when it's something that impacts their lives. Specifically,

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Speaker 9: how many times have you seen a right wing Republican

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Speaker 9: senator or elected official who's very anti LGBTQ until their

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Speaker 9: child comes out as a member of the community, and

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Speaker 9: then all of a sudden, you have all this compassion.

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Speaker 9: And I think that's the difference between a lot of

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Speaker 9: us and a lot of them. It don't have to

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Speaker 9: impact me. I'm not that self centered for me to

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Speaker 9: express empathy and understanding to somebody else. Joe Manson is

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Speaker 9: a part of a bigger problem, a bigger political problem.

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Speaker 9: But I'm really I'm on strike from the US government.

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Speaker 8: I just feel like.

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Speaker 9: They don't even deserve my attention right now. In January,

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Speaker 9: I'll be back, but right now I'm on strike from

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Speaker 9: engaging the US government the job when having something to

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Speaker 9: say on Joe Manchin or can I talk about prisons?

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Speaker 4: You can be on strike from Joe Manchin. But I

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Speaker 4: know you too well. You know that when we don't

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Speaker 4: pay attention awaypen, I'm paying attention community almost. I know

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Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying. You're not on strike. Well, there

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Speaker 4: are wars who violating us.

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Speaker 1: Here's the thing that I thought was important about this

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Speaker 1: and why I was glad you brought this up. Andrew

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Speaker 1: was talking about Democrats being the standard bearers for like

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Speaker 1: right institution, doing the right thing, protecting institutions. Andrew, you

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Speaker 1: one of them. We got in a whole ass.

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Speaker 4: But there are certain guardrails that must exist. But then

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Speaker 4: there are ones that have real implication, like whether or

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Speaker 4: not I serve time. Yes, but also so I did

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Speaker 4: a crime that I'm being accuted consecuted for.

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Speaker 1: But also inviting a terrorist into the oval to have

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Speaker 1: a transitionation now well, I mean almost, especially when he's

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Speaker 1: getting told welcome back by the President. But here's the thing.

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Speaker 1: So when you say to the American people, this man

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Speaker 1: is a threat to democracy, and now you have Democrats

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Speaker 1: because it wasn't just Joe Mansion who I love, somebody

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Speaker 1: who I love. Congressman Clyburn was on air last night

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Speaker 1: also suggest that Joe Manchin was quote onto something about

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Speaker 1: this pardon for Donald Trump. And my concern is that

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Speaker 1: you cannot speak out of both sides of your mouth

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Speaker 1: and expect for people not to see the blatant hypocrisy here.

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Speaker 1: If Donald Trump commits eighty eight felonies ninety one, but

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Speaker 1: you know, some of those were dropped, as we know,

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Speaker 1: and now he gets he's considered to be pardoned. They're

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Speaker 1: look hearkening back into history when this happened under another administration.

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Speaker 1: Richard Nixon is the person who comes to mind, right,

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Speaker 1: this is not politics or business as usual, and so

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Speaker 1: it's very very concerning to see that they would have

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Speaker 1: this conversation at all, like why are you talking about

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Speaker 1: pardoning this man? Those all of the charges have already

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Speaker 1: everything's been postponed. Jack Smith had to postpone the case.

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Speaker 1: So the fact that they're now considering a pardon of

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump when they're again so many people's freedom is

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Speaker 1: hanging in the balance, is so disturbing to me. And TIF,

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Speaker 1: I know you have something on freedom. This all shows

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Speaker 1: about liberation today and I'm not talking about liberating Donald Trump.

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Speaker 4: Well, I want to quote Tip again before we go

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Speaker 4: to this prison piece, which I'm incredibly interested in as well,

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Speaker 4: And that is her point around roadkill, around rocking down

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Speaker 4: the center of the goddamn road. That is what you

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Speaker 4: get with Joe Manchin and I love you, brother Cliburne.

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Speaker 4: But any sympathy in that direction is a bad Eyedea.

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Speaker 4: It is a bad idea because let me tell you

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Speaker 4: this much that MF. En all lock her up right right?

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Speaker 4: When his first time around, do you think for a

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Speaker 4: moment they would not have gone full tilt to ward

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Speaker 4: prosecuting and persecuting their political enemies. Now we're not that,

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Speaker 4: I get it, but I know this much. We don't

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Speaker 4: provide cover. You don't give shelter to the terrorists, to

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Speaker 4: the domestic terrorists who is trying to destroy everything and

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Speaker 4: everybody who's not him and those who are not in

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Speaker 4: his circle. And that's my real problem with allyship with

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Speaker 4: Trump is that I am always confused around whether or

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Speaker 4: not they are learning the right lesson from his prosecution.

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Speaker 4: What he learned was that he's got sympathy with black folk,

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Speaker 4: and that was that was the lesson. No, sir, no,

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Speaker 4: what you should have learned is that there are some

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Speaker 4: laws that are directly targeted toward certain people who are

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Speaker 4: then admonished, prosecuted, drug through the mud for things that

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Speaker 4: quite frankly, are irrelevant and if you ask the American people,

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Speaker 4: that wouldn't care two shits about. And that's the problem

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Speaker 4: when you create laws around who commits them versus something

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Speaker 4: being bad for society, period, that's it.

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Speaker 9: But the whole probly the entire show has been teeing

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Speaker 9: up this point that I want to make around prisons.

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Speaker 9: Right now, there are I want to give this information

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Speaker 9: before you here, right now, there are four hundred and

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Speaker 9: sixty five thousand, two hundred black inmates in state or

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Speaker 9: federal prison.

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Speaker 8: I'm sorry.

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Speaker 9: That was that as of at the end of twenty eighteen.

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Speaker 9: That's according to Brookings. Now this year, since September fifteenth,

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Speaker 9: at least twelve black men incarcerated at Red Onion State Prison.

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Speaker 9: This is in West Virginia. I'm sorry, why is County Virginia.

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Speaker 9: They have set themselves on fire in response to degrading

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Speaker 9: and inhumane conditions at prison. I want you this is

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Speaker 9: from a documentary that HBO did. I want you to

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Speaker 9: take a listen to why one of the men is

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Speaker 9: even in prison. And this is not a discussion. I

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Speaker 9: want to be crystal clear. This is not a discussion

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Speaker 9: around who should be in prison or who should not

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Speaker 9: be in prison. This is a discussion around the conditions

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Speaker 9: that hundreds of thousands of black people and all people.

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Speaker 9: But I'm just focused on black folks because we are

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Speaker 9: disproportionately represented, are facing every day in prison. Take a

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Speaker 9: listen to Mike Kelly, who is an inmate at red

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Speaker 9: Onion State Prison.

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Speaker 12: My name is Michael Kelly. I originally Consage, Los Angeles.

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Speaker 12: I don't know nobody out here. I don't have no family,

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Speaker 12: no friends out here.

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Speaker 11: I don't know a.

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Speaker 12: Soul in Virginia. I came out here to Virginia to

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Speaker 12: drop somebody off, and I commended a couple of robberies,

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Speaker 12: and the courts in Virginia gave me thirty eight years

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Speaker 12: for two RM robberies. If I would have known that,

657
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Speaker 12: I would have got thirty eight years for two armed robberies.

658
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Speaker 12: Like I would have never done it, you know what

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Speaker 12: I mean, Because would have been like, holy shit, I'm

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Speaker 12: not flint throw on my life away with thirty eight

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Speaker 12: years for two armed robberies. That's crazy, that sounds nuts.

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Speaker 12: But I didn't know how serious it was out here

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Speaker 12: in Virginia. In California, i'd have got like eight years

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Speaker 12: and not have been that, you know. But I didn't

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Speaker 12: know how serious it was, and I didn't know how

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Speaker 12: serious a society took that.

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Speaker 9: Now that's one inmate there, and again we're not talking

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Speaker 9: about his crime, but I do think it's important to

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Speaker 9: point out that white, privileged, wealthy people get to make

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Speaker 9: mistakes and fail and are absolved from a very harsh,

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Speaker 9: punishing criminal justice system when it comes to the rest

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Speaker 9: of us. When you look at baill reform, when you

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Speaker 9: look at people who are held in jails until their trial,

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Speaker 9: who are appointed overcrowded public defenders, this is all a

675
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Speaker 9: problem in the system. Now, the twelve black men who

676
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Speaker 9: set themselves on fire, imagine how dire conditions have to.

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Speaker 8: Be for you to set yourself on fire.

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Speaker 9: This is from a podcast hosted by Malika BALaw that Arizona,

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Speaker 9: Al Jazeera English, and she spoke with Noel han Rana,

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Speaker 9: who is a legal director for Redwo Justice Fund, and

681
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Speaker 9: she's the co director of something called Prison Radio where

682
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Speaker 9: you can actually hear what it's like form men in prison.

683
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Speaker 9: Take a listen to how she describes the conditions at

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Speaker 9: Red State Onion Prison. At Red Onion State Prison.

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Speaker 13: We've had reports over the last number of years. Actually,

686
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Speaker 13: one of our main correspondents, Kevin Rashid Johnson, has been

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Speaker 13: reporting from Red Onion State Prison for over a decade.

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Speaker 11: Prisoners treated worse than dogs.

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Speaker 4: Britain Is such as Curtis care who put.

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Speaker 2: A whole resistance, but was mored by two dolls than

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Speaker 2: beaten by guards.

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Speaker 13: The conditions there are deplorable.

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Speaker 14: Twenty eighteen.

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Speaker 1: And as a results, and they take.

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Speaker 13: Many people from our inner cities and move them to

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Speaker 13: this very remote location that has almost exclusively white staff

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Speaker 13: rural county, where the prisoners are almost exclusively people of color.

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Speaker 8: Okay, deplorable conditions.

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Speaker 5: What are we talking here?

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Speaker 13: We're talking dogs used on prisoners to intimidate, threaten, and

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Speaker 13: bite them. We're talking about spitting in people's food. We're

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Speaker 13: talking about no respect for people's religious tradition. They cannot

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Speaker 13: kneel to pray, They have their religious materials such as

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Speaker 13: the Qur'an or their Bibles destroyed in front of them.

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Speaker 13: They are brutalized, they are covered in caps mace. They

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Speaker 13: are left to not be able to be taken care

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Speaker 13: of in terms of getting the mace off of them.

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Speaker 13: They are beaten, They are denied access to their families,

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Speaker 13: to phone calls, to reaching the outside world.

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Speaker 9: So why this matters today? And this is crucially important

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Speaker 9: to people who voted for Donald Trump over a STEMI check.

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Speaker 9: One of Projects five's most significant proposals will terminate the

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Speaker 9: use of consent decrees.

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Speaker 8: We've talked a bit about that.

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Speaker 9: These are legal mechanisms that the federal government ensures that

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Speaker 9: state and local jurisdictions comply with constitutional law. For black folks, specifically,

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Speaker 9: consent degrees are crucially important because it can compel prison

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Speaker 9: in jail systems or police departments to remedy systemic violations

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Speaker 9: or breaking the law. Project twenty twenty five will require

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Speaker 9: the Department of Justice to again pursue mandatory minimum sentences.

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Speaker 9: It erroneously claims that the more people you let out

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Speaker 9: of jail, the higher the crime goes up. We have

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Speaker 9: not seen that happen. There's no data to support that,

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Speaker 9: and they're citing catastrophic increases in crime.

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Speaker 8: Again, no data supports that.

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Speaker 9: Project twenty twenty five will establish an extremely punitive approach

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Speaker 9: to justice, and it's calling on the dj to do

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Speaker 9: everything possible to execute anyone currently on death row. So

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Speaker 9: all the people which I've talked about on this show

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Speaker 9: before and how dispportunate we are represented on death row,

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Speaker 9: they're going to press them to do that. And this

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Speaker 9: is despite stark racial disparities among black folks in Florida,

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Speaker 9: your neck of the Woods and Drew. In twenty twenty,

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Speaker 9: the Santas signed into a law a bill that allows

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Speaker 9: people to be convicted and sentenced to death without a

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Speaker 9: unanimous jury.

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Speaker 1: With only eight.

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Speaker 9: People on the jury finding you guilty, that is enough

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Speaker 9: to send you to the death right. So you think

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Speaker 9: about if you got that one black person on a jury,

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Speaker 9: their vote is now they're rendered powerless. This is federal

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Speaker 9: prisons and red Onion State Prison is a microcosm for

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Speaker 9: all how all prisons operate. You when it comes to jails,

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Speaker 9: black people made up almost half the state jail population,

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Speaker 9: even though we're only thirteen percent of the US population

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Speaker 9: that was in two thousand and all of these laws

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Speaker 9: that we talked about, the First Step Act has not

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Speaker 9: been enough because black adults were still in prison in

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Speaker 9: twenty twenty at five times the rate.

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Speaker 8: For white folks.

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Speaker 9: So I just you know, the administration is moving so

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Speaker 9: quickly it's hard to keep up with these things. This

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Speaker 9: is something that is going to be relevant for a while.

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Speaker 9: This is evergreen in the sense that we all I

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Speaker 9: don't want to forget about people in prison again. There

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Speaker 9: I'm not being an apologist for problematic people who've committed

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Speaker 9: crimes who've murdered, people who've raped, people who've drugged people.

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Speaker 9: All of those are legitimate problems. But the way that

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Speaker 9: we treat these men in prison and women women in prison,

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Speaker 9: it does not rehabilitate anyone. It is not reforming anyone,

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Speaker 9: and it's not being helpful to society. It is a

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Speaker 9: drain on taxpayer resources. But most importantly, it's a disgrace

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Speaker 9: to humanity.

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Speaker 4: So if I love that you, I mean I obviously

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Speaker 4: the topic is degrading, but it's real. It is exactly

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Speaker 4: what is happening. And I appreciated you invoking the word

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Speaker 4: rehabilit rehabate, rehabilitive, because prison is to serve two purposes,

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Speaker 4: one punitive so that you pay for the crime and

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Speaker 4: it be such that it is dissuading to people outside

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Speaker 4: to do it again, and the others rehability. I don'tabilitative, well,

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Speaker 4: but in the context of the sentence, really rehability.

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Speaker 8: I didn't know that was.

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Speaker 1: To be honest, rehabilitative isn't the work.

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Speaker 8: Is it rehability rehabilitative.

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Speaker 4: Comment? I'm either way. It's meanted to help rehability an individual,

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Speaker 4: so that once the punitive part of your sentence is

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Speaker 4: over the time you must spend there that you're able

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Speaker 4: to move back into society and play a functioning role. Well,

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Speaker 4: guess what happens when you decide to extract a person

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Speaker 4: from the community in which they know that they love,

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Speaker 4: that they will be given any reason in the world

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Speaker 4: to want to do right by so that it can

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Speaker 4: be returned to when you extract them and get them

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Speaker 4: all the way across the country. And this happens by

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Speaker 4: the way they shift inmates with it or within the

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Speaker 4: prison system to worse ones within the prison system, sometimes

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Speaker 4: away from their family as as as as part of

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Speaker 4: you knows back.

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Speaker 9: A lot of the guards are members of white supremacist

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Speaker 9: societies and gained.

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Speaker 4: You don't have to call back the layer too far

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Speaker 4: to see why it is that so many of these

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Speaker 4: law enforcement and incarceration agencies are almost all stocked with

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Speaker 4: white folks. And while they're almost always put in very rural,

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Speaker 4: sequestered areas of states where the population that surrounds them

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Speaker 4: the workforce that then obviously works there are all homogeneous,

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Speaker 4: almost all of them being white. But the part about

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Speaker 4: removing people from their family, this is the cruel and

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Speaker 4: unusual part of it because if you're trying to get

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Speaker 4: somebody to understand what they did wrong and then get

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Speaker 4: to a place where they can then make a commitment

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Speaker 4: to do right by whom by this society. No, they

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Speaker 4: want to do right by their children, but their mother,

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Speaker 4: by their wives and husbands and girlfriends. That's what you

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Speaker 4: want to do right. But when you starve the humanity

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Speaker 4: out of a person by starving them from the people

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Speaker 4: who love them and whom they love, when you don't

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Speaker 4: allow them to be in communication with them, and when

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Speaker 4: they are in communication the rates are socking high on

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Speaker 4: the phones that working people can't even do it right. So,

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Speaker 4: if we have international laws about how it is we

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Speaker 4: deal with prisoners of war, people who are coming for

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Speaker 4: our lives, our land, that your punishment can't be cool

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Speaker 4: and unusual, and their whole set of standards on the

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Speaker 4: which they must be treated, how is it that right

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Speaker 4: here in this country we don't have a standard against

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Speaker 4: crul and unusual, that you can be as cruel and

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Speaker 4: unusually cruel with your tactics as possible to bring people

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Speaker 4: to heal and have it on.

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Speaker 1: Paper, right, Yes, we have it on paper, but it's

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Speaker 1: not applied, you know, it's yeah.

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Speaker 4: Again and it's on paper to to to bring someone

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Speaker 4: to heal in a system of justice in this case

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Speaker 4: is these are punished sights. These are you you you

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Speaker 4: f with the right one today.

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Speaker 1: And it's not rehabilitative.

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Speaker 9: Rehabilitative rehability is not. But the word is rehabilitative.

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Speaker 8: Is that what we learned?

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Speaker 4: That's okayabilitated? Thank you whoever gave us that. We got

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Speaker 4: that part of it.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 8: I want to quick shout out expect.

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Speaker 4: People to return to a community when you've taken all

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Speaker 4: of the humanity, when you stripped it and starved them

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Speaker 4: of any remnant of what it feels like to be

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Speaker 4: treated like a normal, regular human. I just want to

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Speaker 4: what happens to be in.

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Speaker 9: Shout out the Virginia Legislative Black Caucus because they are

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Speaker 9: looking into the accusations about the Red Onion State Prison.

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Speaker 9: So if any member of the Virginia Virginia State Legislature

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Speaker 9: Legislative Black Caucus, if you're listening, we would love a

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Speaker 9: video update from you guys, what you find out, what

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Speaker 9: actions need to be taken, how we can be supportive

844
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Speaker 9: then anybody out there really, because like I said, this

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Speaker 9: is a microcosm. And for if, for some by some miracle,

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Speaker 9: if someone is incarcerated listening to this, I just want

847
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Speaker 9: to say, you were not forgotten about. We honor and

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Speaker 9: remember that you exist just as a human being, independent

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Speaker 9: of your crime. And I'm not excusing anyone's behavior or

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Speaker 9: excusing anything alleged. Right, Well, well, some people have been

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Speaker 9: convicted and even but even that doesn't mean they're still Yes,

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Speaker 9: but even for the guy who said, yes, I committed

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Speaker 9: these armed robberies, like I don't think he should be

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Speaker 9: held to that for thirty eight years of his life.

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Speaker 9: And to your point, and even how law enforcements slowed

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Speaker 9: their ranks, it was because it wasn't to keep America safe.

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Speaker 9: It was to keep white communities safe from black people.

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Speaker 9: They said, you can, Yeah, you could beat a negro,

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Speaker 9: you could shoot a negro, you could murder one. You

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Speaker 9: just got to be wearing a badge when you do it.

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Speaker 9: And that that has helped expand lawns don't even need

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Speaker 9: to be wearing a bad exactly exactly.

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Speaker 1: Well, but the system was correct. Stem came out of

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Speaker 1: vigilanzi just we're a little overtime for a break. But

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Speaker 1: I do want to just on this point around sentencing

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Speaker 1: the armed robbery, the gentleman that committed the armed robberies

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Speaker 1: that he talked about. He lolo sent these statistics from

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Speaker 1: the United States Sentencing Commission. The average sentence for robbery

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Speaker 1: offenses and fiscal year twenty twenty three was one hundred

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Speaker 1: and eleven months months, which is approximately nine point two

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Speaker 1: five years longer than murder in a lot of that's right.

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Speaker 1: At twenty seventeen USSC report found that black mail offenders

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Speaker 1: received sentences on averages nineteen point one percent longer than

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Speaker 1: similarly situated white male offenders. So the thing that we

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Speaker 1: are hoping for is one that the Virginia State Legislative

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Speaker 1: Black Caucus reaches out to us with the video that

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Speaker 1: you guys can email your videos to hello at Native

878
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Speaker 1: lampod dot com. And also we would love to come

879
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Speaker 1: yeah and bear witness to what's happening in that prison

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Speaker 1: and like lift up the stories of the folks Tiff

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Speaker 1: has talked about today as well as many others who

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Speaker 1: are not yet heard.

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Speaker 4: So we thank you, Angela to those lawmakers to not

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Speaker 4: be cowed by the organized industry of the prison industrial

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Speaker 4: complex and the police and the and the and the

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Speaker 4: patrol unions to not be cowed by those people, to

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Speaker 4: push through for what's righteous, what's righteous, and what's right right.

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Speaker 1: And so with that, we are going to righteously take

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Speaker 1: a break.

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Speaker 2: Welcome, welcome, welcome, welcome, welcome, welcome.

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Speaker 1: So one of the things that I think we have

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Speaker 1: to talk about is we've contemplated the full justice system today.

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Speaker 1: Whether we're talking about the federal state level, it's important

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Speaker 1: to and Tiff brought u juries. We also got to

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Speaker 1: talk about judges. And one of the things that we've

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Speaker 1: seen happen in Congress is the blatant hypocrisy that exists

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Speaker 1: when it comes time to appoint these judges. So recently

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Speaker 1: there are a couple of democratically appointed judges who've said

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Speaker 1: that now that Donald Trump is out in office, hey,

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Speaker 1: you know what that retirement I was thinking about, I

901
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Speaker 1: ain't gonna be able to do it. And my outgoing

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Speaker 1: Minority Leader McConnell, who is still in he mad age

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Speaker 1: these people who he thinks are older, too old to

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Speaker 1: be judges anymore. His old ass had this to say

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Speaker 1: about in chief right, about them not stepping down. Now

906
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Speaker 1: that the twenty twenty four election results are in let's

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Speaker 1: roll that clip.

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Speaker 10: Looking to our history, only two judges have ever ever

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Speaker 10: unretired after a presidential election, one Democrat in twenty oh

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Speaker 10: four and one Republican in twenty oh nine. But now,

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Speaker 10: in just a matter of weeks, Democrats have already met

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Speaker 10: that all time record. It's hard to conclude that this

913
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Speaker 10: is anything other than open partisanship. They roll the dice.

914
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Speaker 10: They're a Democrat who replaced them, and now they won't.

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Speaker 10: They're changing their plans keep a Republican from doing it.

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Speaker 10: It's a brazen admission, and the incoming administration would be

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Speaker 10: wise to explore all available recusal options with these judges

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Speaker 10: because it's clear now that they have a political finger

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Speaker 10: on the scale.

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Speaker 1: This sentime right, I know, right, and I wish it

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Speaker 1: was but in twenty sixteen, So this is of course

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Speaker 1: just this week. But in twenty sixteen, eleven months before

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Speaker 1: the twenty sixteen election, Mitch McConnell had this to say

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Speaker 1: about Obama's decision to nominate Merrit Garland for the Supreme

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Speaker 1: Court vacancy.

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Speaker 10: Miss President, the next justice could fundamentally alter the direction

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Speaker 10: of the Supreme Court and have a profound impact on

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Speaker 10: our country. So of course, of course the American people

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Speaker 10: should have a say in the Court's direction. It is

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Speaker 10: a president's constitutional right to nominate a Supreme Court justice,

931
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Speaker 10: and it is the Senate's constitutional right to act as

932
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Speaker 10: a check on a president and withhold its consent.

933
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Speaker 1: So, of course, if eleven months is way too close

934
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Speaker 1: to an election to appoint someone to the Supreme Court

935
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Speaker 1: in twenty sixteen, certainly when Mitch McConnell, who's now eighty

936
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Speaker 1: two years old, and it's pushing for people's retirement except

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Speaker 1: for his own. Certainly, certainly in twenty twenty, when there

938
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Speaker 1: were only six weeks left, he would not want Donald

939
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Speaker 1: Trump to appoint anyone to the Supreme Court.

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Speaker 4: Let's roll that clip.

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Speaker 10: On Saturday evening, President Trump announced his nominee for the

942
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Speaker 10: Supreme Court, Judge Amy Conye Barrett of the US Court

943
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Speaker 10: of Appeals for the Seventh Circuit. I had the opportunity

944
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Speaker 10: to meet with Judge Barrett earlier today. I left our

945
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Speaker 10: discussion even more convinced that President Trump is nominated exactly

946
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Speaker 10: the kind of outstanding person whom the American people deserve

947
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Speaker 10: to have on their highest court.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So I just you know, I'm surprised, right, because

949
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Speaker 1: miss McConnell said eleven months was way too close to

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Speaker 1: an election. So then it's six weeks.

951
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Speaker 4: He's like, well, well, six weeks is a.

952
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Speaker 1: Perfect time to appoint a conservative justice. And now he said,

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Speaker 1: these democratically appointed judges, I don't know why they won't

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Speaker 1: retire anymore. And at that point, you know, and they

955
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Speaker 1: said that they weren't going to return. He mores about

956
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Speaker 1: the same point as them. Amy coy Barrett nomination. I'm

957
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Speaker 1: trying to understand what's happening.

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Speaker 4: Well, all this proves, as you know, Angela and Tiffany,

959
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Speaker 4: Mitch McConnell is not only a hypocrite, but the greatest

960
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Speaker 4: thief in American history, you know, the one that stole

961
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Speaker 4: a Supreme Court justice. See eleven months before Obama was

962
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Speaker 4: the American people should have a choice, that was his line. Well,

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Speaker 4: they did have a choice. They elected a president for

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Speaker 4: four years, and he gets to act as president all

965
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Speaker 4: the way up until those four years are up. That's

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Speaker 4: how he goes. But he's a great thief. He's a

967
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Speaker 4: great com man and the thief.

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Speaker 3: That's it.

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Speaker 9: I just want to remind people that Mitch McConnell is

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Speaker 9: a direct descendant of people who enslaved black folks.

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Speaker 4: Is you sure he not the one?

972
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Speaker 9: I mean what I'm saying, you know, like he says

973
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Speaker 9: he's in his eighties, but evidence would argue otherwise. And

974
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Speaker 9: is he is retiring finally or stepping down as a

975
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Speaker 9: majority leader? But every time I see him, I still

976
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Speaker 9: be in the Senate. Yeah, I just I That's what

977
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Speaker 9: I was No, no, I would listen to. I was

978
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Speaker 9: just gonna say when I saw my retirement earlier, I've

979
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Speaker 9: cleared that he's yeah, he's yeah, but he's no longer

980
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Speaker 9: the majority leader because we have seen him have several

981
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Speaker 9: health issues on camera where he literally freezes like the

982
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Speaker 9: internet does here sometimes.

983
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Speaker 4: So he on baby, yeah, we got we got more topics.

984
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Speaker 4: But I do know that I think we might be

985
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Speaker 4: surprised by this dude and how he votes these next

986
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Speaker 4: two years. And I hope surprised in a good way.

987
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Speaker 4: But we'll see surprised.

988
00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:49,160
Speaker 1: Who's surprising you?

989
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:56,200
Speaker 4: I think I think we may all up saying the

990
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Speaker 4: man ain't gonna be leader, and he's looking down the door,

991
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Speaker 4: and and he probably didn't run for re election.

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Speaker 1: He's stillist.

993
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Speaker 9: But when you say surprise theory is what specifically you mean?

994
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:10,600
Speaker 9: Do you think he might go to the last I

995
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Speaker 9: get more conservatives, Like, what do you mean.

996
00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:14,719
Speaker 4: For inst all? I don't know that it's on the

997
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Speaker 4: spectrum of of conservative versus liberal. That's not the surprise.

998
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Speaker 4: I think the matrix is going to be on craziest

999
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Speaker 4: versus just crazy as it relates to some appointments. So

1000
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Speaker 4: the craziest might not get through on certain things, but

1001
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Speaker 4: crazy still going to So he.

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Speaker 8: Might support HEAs but he might not support but exactly. Okay,

1003
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Speaker 8: I think you you can.

1004
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Speaker 9: See that and some of the Republicans, But when you're

1005
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Speaker 9: deciding between Freddy and Jason, you know, I kind of

1006
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:44,200
Speaker 9: feel like.

1007
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Speaker 4: The craziest and crazy it's still crazy is going in period.

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Speaker 4: Just know that's the low bar.

1009
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Speaker 1: Okay, well we got such it's such a low bar.

1010
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Speaker 1: We in hell, so I wanted to speaking of not

1011
00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:58,920
Speaker 1: being in hell. We have an angel among us are

1012
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Speaker 1: one of our producers, Lolo, who was just a gods

1013
00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:05,839
Speaker 1: ending during our tour, and of course all the time

1014
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Speaker 1: she liked to fact us up check us. While I

1015
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Speaker 1: was googling, she was sending rehabilitative Andrew and I just

1016
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Speaker 1: want to shout her out her birth She just celebrated

1017
00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:19,479
Speaker 1: her birthday and instead of getting loved on and getting

1018
00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:22,480
Speaker 1: all the gifts, Lolo went to be a gift to

1019
00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:25,320
Speaker 1: some other people that she shared a video of her

1020
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Speaker 1: experience with us, and we want to share it with y'all.

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Speaker 5: Hey Lolo, Hey NLP found.

1022
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Speaker 1: My name is Lolo.

1023
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Speaker 14: I'm one of the producers with the show.

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Speaker 13: Now.

1025
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Speaker 3: Usually I'm behind the scenes, but today I wanted to

1026
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:40,440
Speaker 3: do something a little different and share a unique experience

1027
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Speaker 3: that I had. And so in November, just like many

1028
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Speaker 3: of you all, I was feeling a lot of despair

1029
00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:49,720
Speaker 3: and I'm like, dang, it's my birthday. Move. So I

1030
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Speaker 3: decided to travel overseas and go to different countries and volunteer.

1031
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Speaker 3: I went to Bangladesh, I went to Sri Lanka. I

1032
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Speaker 3: went to Jordan and amongst some other places where I

1033
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Speaker 3: got to just kind of explore. And with that I

1034
00:58:05,640 --> 00:58:09,600
Speaker 3: met so many different people. I was able to experience

1035
00:58:09,640 --> 00:58:12,840
Speaker 3: so many different cultures. My point to all of this

1036
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Speaker 3: is when experiencing those cultures, it really made me feel empowered.

1037
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Speaker 3: I say that because I met so many different people,

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Speaker 3: like women who had no opportunity of being able to

1039
00:58:25,240 --> 00:58:26,959
Speaker 3: own anything because.

1040
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Speaker 1: That was how it was in their country.

1041
00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:33,720
Speaker 3: I met people who had no rights, who had no

1042
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:37,960
Speaker 3: ability to be able to advocate or say anything without

1043
00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:41,920
Speaker 3: being oppressed in their country. And I think about the

1044
00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:45,120
Speaker 3: different ways that we can play a part in policymaking

1045
00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:49,400
Speaker 3: and government in our community. There's so many different avenues

1046
00:58:49,880 --> 00:58:53,600
Speaker 3: and how often sometimes we take that for granted, something

1047
00:58:53,640 --> 00:58:57,520
Speaker 3: as simple as just going to vote. And so I

1048
00:58:57,680 --> 00:59:00,400
Speaker 3: wanted to share this experience, but I also wanted to

1049
00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:04,920
Speaker 3: pose a question with you all about how are you

1050
00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:10,040
Speaker 3: activating in your power in twenty twenty five. I don't

1051
00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:13,360
Speaker 3: believe that you have to be the next Martin Luther King,

1052
00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:15,960
Speaker 3: but what I will say is we can't just rely

1053
00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:20,080
Speaker 3: on the Angela Rise, the Tiffany Crosses, the Andrew Gillums

1054
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:22,760
Speaker 3: to be the leaders and the advocate and the voice

1055
00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:27,600
Speaker 3: for us. It's exhausting, but we all have a small

1056
00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:31,720
Speaker 3: role that we can play and really uplifting our community.

1057
00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:33,840
Speaker 4: So what are you going to do?

1058
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Speaker 3: How are you going to act in your power in

1059
00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:38,760
Speaker 3: twenty twenty five? I love that?

1060
00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:43,160
Speaker 1: And Happy Birthday, Happy Birthday, Happy Birthday. For the rest

1061
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Speaker 1: of the year. Belolo you know, I'm mad a tale

1062
00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:48,960
Speaker 1: about you having a camera up vertically when you know

1063
00:59:49,080 --> 00:59:52,720
Speaker 1: that we got to record the video. But it was

1064
00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:56,360
Speaker 1: just so good and I love that she's always she

1065
00:59:56,520 --> 00:59:58,840
Speaker 1: was committed to love it. But I'm mad about that.

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Speaker 9: Well, I think, Angela, you know this how black women

1067
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Speaker 9: and our Black women group chat, like we talk about

1068
01:00:06,280 --> 01:00:09,480
Speaker 9: our exhaustion. And I was working the other day and

1069
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Speaker 9: I'll tell y'all, a young woman came up to me

1070
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Speaker 9: and you know, asked, are you Tiffany Cross? And I

1071
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Speaker 9: said yes, and she said, I love Native Land and

1072
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Speaker 9: thank you all for the work that you're doing. And

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Speaker 9: she was there doing some work. She worked for a

1074
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Speaker 9: group Mama Lobby or they basically they helped elect mothers

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Speaker 9: to office. And so I was poking on on their website.

1076
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Speaker 9: But they were doing this whole retreat and I was

1077
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Speaker 9: telling her, like, you didn't know that black women were

1078
01:00:34,920 --> 01:00:36,919
Speaker 9: on strike. You don't have to do anything this month,

1079
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Speaker 9: but you can rest and relaxed. And she said, you

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Speaker 9: don't wanna take the last two weeks. But after this election,

1081
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Speaker 9: like we had to get right back to it. So

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Speaker 9: just shout out to all all everybody who's doing something

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Speaker 9: and you know, I just the work that black women

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Speaker 9: do and the way that we are quick to organize

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Speaker 9: and mobilize. So I think it's really awesome that Lolo

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Speaker 9: in that space said I want to give back. I

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Speaker 9: want to focus on other people, and I wish that

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Speaker 9: more of us would do.

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Speaker 4: That well on there, and you know, that's in service.

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Speaker 1: It sounds like that's tips called a action.

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Speaker 8: I din't mean it to be, but.

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Speaker 1: There's black women. We all strike and then we'll serve

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Speaker 1: you in a little.

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Speaker 4: Bit and well hopefully when you serve, when you come

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Speaker 4: back around to service, which, by the way, I still

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Speaker 4: debate whether or not black women are out of service.

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Speaker 4: It's just not a luxury. But I will say this

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Speaker 4: much that when we are in service, first be in

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Speaker 4: service to yourself and then through that service, allow yourself

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Speaker 4: to still be served. It's uplifting. It gives me joy.

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Speaker 4: I want to, you know, plan and do for the

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Speaker 4: next And I would just say, there was a listener

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Speaker 4: question Angela that we passed around. You passed around a

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Speaker 4: couple of weeks ago with a young woman who had

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Speaker 4: an idea about how we can share the load during

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Speaker 4: this administration versus sort of putting it all on just

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Speaker 4: a few of us to sort of track what's happening

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Speaker 4: in this administration. I would love for us to play

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Speaker 4: that maybe next episode and let it be.

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Speaker 1: An admonishment Thanksgiving.

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Speaker 8: Oh yeah, Thanksgiving?

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Speaker 4: Okay, but I missed it? Can we do it one

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Speaker 4: in this one when people?

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Speaker 10: Maybe?

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Speaker 8: But that's your call to action?

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Speaker 1: Action is running video again?

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 9: But also we got a request for our viewers. We

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Speaker 9: need you all to tell us your favorite episodes. Yes,

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Speaker 9: that's our collective call action.

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Speaker 1: Yeah is tag team? This is so.

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Speaker 8: But we we got caught up with lolo.

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Speaker 9: But yes, we needed We want to hear from you guys,

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Speaker 9: give us your favorite episodes of Native Land.

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Speaker 8: It doesn't have to be a whole episode.

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Speaker 9: You tell us a segment that we did, a story,

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Speaker 9: we told the policy, we uncovered something, we unpacked, a

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Speaker 9: beef like whatever.

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Speaker 8: It is like, we want to hear from you. What

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Speaker 8: was your favorite moment? So how can they.

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Speaker 4: Ael part two of that is run that back?

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Speaker 1: You can do that they should d m us. I

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Speaker 1: would love we love the videos. We'd like to feel

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Speaker 1: connected with y'all because we don't always get to be

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Speaker 1: in person. And while we love the shoutouts that y'all

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Speaker 1: will run up to us in the store or whatever

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Speaker 1: and say you love NLP. We love that too, But

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Speaker 1: please sending your videos to Instagram, stay your name and

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Speaker 1: where you're from, or you can also email us at

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Speaker 1: hello at native lampod dot com. I'm gonna donate my

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Speaker 1: call to action to my brother and friend, assembly Member

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Speaker 1: Isaac Bryan out of the California State Assembly because he

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Speaker 1: dropped a very important piece of legislation this week. And

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Speaker 1: there's some things that the nl PEP fam can do

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Speaker 1: because Lolo told us we got to still get to

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Speaker 1: work to even though you on strike, you ain't gonna

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Speaker 1: be on strike for this. Well, let's route a clip.

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Speaker 14: I'm assembly Member Isaac Bryan from California's fifty fifth Assembly

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Speaker 14: district that's Cuver City, Mid City, the West Side, Lamart Park,

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Speaker 14: the Crashop Corridor, and Ladare Eyes. And this week I

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Speaker 14: introduced AB seven. What assimbly Bill seven would do is

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Speaker 14: allow for colleges and universities in California to prioritize applicants

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Speaker 14: who are a descendant of a chatteling slaved person in

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Speaker 14: this country. The reason I introduced this piece of legislation

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Speaker 14: is because we've seen the attacks on affirmative action going

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Speaker 14: back decades, including Proposition two nine here in California, and

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Speaker 14: we've seen the incoming administration and their plans to gut DEI.

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Speaker 14: In fact, we live at a time right now where diversity, equity,

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Speaker 14: and inclusion are not only demonized as bad words, but

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Speaker 14: on the verge of being criminalized, and we've got to

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Speaker 14: do something about it. Meanwhile, while all this is in place,

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Speaker 14: legacy admissions are still going on all across the country.

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Speaker 14: If you're related to a major donor, you often have

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Speaker 14: a backdoor inside track and the admissions decision. If you

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Speaker 14: are the relative of somebody who went to a prestigious university,

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Speaker 14: you often have an inside, back door advantage in the

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Speaker 14: admission's decision process. So if we're rewarding legacies of privilege,

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Speaker 14: I think we you also have a conversation about legacies

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Speaker 14: of harm in this country. It's not about undue advantage.

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Speaker 14: It's about an equal and earned opportunity. That's why I

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Speaker 14: introduced AB seven.

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Speaker 4: Bless you, I love this.

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Speaker 1: My call to action as a result of that is,

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Speaker 1: please make sure you go read up on that that

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Speaker 1: bill is giving me so much joy because this white

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Speaker 1: women who benefited from affirmative action. That's another podcast for

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Speaker 1: another day, but I'm gonna tell y'all right now, that

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Speaker 1: made me feel happy when you see folks like Isaac

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Speaker 1: doing the work in spite of the opposition that they're facing,

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Speaker 1: in spite of everybody coming up against us. Walmart On

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Speaker 1: down saying we don't need your DEI and we don't

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Speaker 1: need y'all. I live for an Isaac Bryan saying, actually,

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Speaker 1: you do need us, and I'm gonna show you how

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Speaker 1: much you need us. It's time for us to get

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Speaker 1: our just due. So shout out to you, Shout out

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Speaker 1: to all of our listeners. As always, we want to

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