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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast.

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Speaker 2: All right, hour two Clay in Buck kicks off. Now, everybody,

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Speaker 2: thank you for being with us. Talking about the Trump

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Speaker 2: trial in the first hour. We'll get back to the

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Speaker 2: latest with that for sure. Also some drama up on

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Speaker 2: Capitol Hill. Marjo Taylor Green and a couple of others

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Speaker 2: now are thinking about replacing Speaker Johnson. Meet the new

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Speaker 2: speaker same as the old speaker. I don't want to

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Speaker 2: say we told you so, but I kind of told you.

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Speaker 2: A lot of you agreed, some of you disagreed. But

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Speaker 2: now we see changing out the speaker when you have

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Speaker 2: a razor thin majority in the House to begin with,

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Speaker 2: isn't going to give you all the things you want.

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Speaker 2: We'll talk about it, though, and there's some interesting ideas

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Speaker 2: and options out there to be sure. It's I think

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Speaker 2: it's an interesting debate. Nothing else allows people to vent

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Speaker 2: some of their irritation with the Rhinocaucus such as it is.

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Speaker 2: But we mentioned this story to you. Wanted to return

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Speaker 2: to this one for a second. NPR, which is best

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Speaker 2: known for being I think the radio station you hear

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Speaker 2: in the background that is intended to help make.

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Speaker 3: You fall asleep. It's really good. You know.

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Speaker 2: They all kind of talk like this, and they have

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Speaker 2: this very sort of, you know, mellow way of speaking,

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Speaker 2: and they just got and you know, you kind of

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Speaker 2: get dazed into it. I haven't listened to a lot

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Speaker 2: of NPR. Occasion'm in a car. Somebody has it on.

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Speaker 2: NPR has suspended that editor we mentioned who claimed left

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Speaker 2: wing bias at the outlet and said that they had

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Speaker 2: lost America's trust. NPR suspension here of this guy after

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Speaker 2: he had a scathing online essay embracing a because MPR

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Speaker 2: has embraced a progressive worldview, prompting quote this is from

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Speaker 2: CNN Clay's favorite favorite place last twenty four hours. Yes,

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Speaker 2: they want they want him suspended. They want Clay locked up.

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Speaker 2: That's what we know about CNN prompting fierce right wing backlash,

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Speaker 2: calling for the defunding of Public, the public radio network.

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Speaker 3: And yeah, they got into some of this.

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Speaker 2: I have to say they they're I'm not surprised they

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Speaker 2: that this guy still work for NPR at some level, though,

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Speaker 2: I think Clay. One of the lessons here is for

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Speaker 2: for a news organization, I work up for I work

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Speaker 2: for a propaganda entity that does the work of the

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Speaker 2: left of the Democrat Party. They know that, and they

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Speaker 2: expect their employees to know that, And the whole game

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Speaker 2: is everybody knows, but nobody's allowed to talk about it.

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Speaker 2: This is true, by the way, at CNN, this is

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Speaker 2: true at ABC News, this is true at all of

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Speaker 2: these plays New York Times. So did you really think

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Speaker 2: he was going to get.

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Speaker 3: Away with it? What do you make of this? So

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Speaker 3: I look at this in the content.

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Speaker 1: His name, by the way, is Uri Berlinner, I think,

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Speaker 1: which sounds like a made up name. But Uri Berlinner

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Speaker 1: found that there were seventy six registered Democrats in the

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Speaker 1: Washington DC NPR office and there were no Republicans. And

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Speaker 1: he raised that as an issue because they claim that

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Speaker 1: they care about the overall fairness of their doctrine. So

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Speaker 1: my first thought is, we have to legitimately get to

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Speaker 1: the case buck, We're not one single dollar of taxpayer

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Speaker 1: can work in the marketplace and if they can make

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Speaker 1: a living as all businesses do. More power to them.

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Speaker 1: The government doesn't fund Clay and Buck. We stand alone

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Speaker 1: as a capitalistic venture based on you guys listening and

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Speaker 1: sponsorship dollars and everything else. So this to me is

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Speaker 1: number one. Number two. The new woman that they hired.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you've seen some of her some

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Speaker 1: who's suspending Yuri Berlinner. Her name is Catherine Mayer or Marr.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure how you pronounce it. She tweeted this

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Speaker 1: lots of jokes about leaving the US, and I get it,

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Speaker 1: But as someone with SIS white mobility privilege, I'm thinking

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Speaker 1: of tyranny. Uh So, I didn't even know that sis

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Speaker 1: white mobility privilege existed. I guess that means if you're

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Speaker 2: Is it economic mobility or physical mobility we're talking about here?

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Speaker 2: Is it you have the the financial means to leave

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Speaker 3: Do we know? I that's a great question. You may

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Speaker 1: I didn't even think about it as an economic way

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Speaker 1: I think it's the injured list because they found that

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Speaker 1: a couple of Catherine Mar's other It's a good question.

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Speaker 1: Maybe maybe some of our woke translators out there know

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Speaker 3: Here's a couple of her other tweets.

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Speaker 1: Buck I do wish Hillary wouldn't use the language of

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Speaker 1: She tweeted. These these are her tweets. This is the

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Speaker 1: person who's in charge of NPR. I'm an unalloyed progressive

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Speaker 1: These are things that she's tweeted. So this woman is

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Speaker 1: Yes, I saw this not only in the specter of

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Speaker 1: NPR is a rig news organization, but that he's being

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Speaker 2: It's fascinating too that they the people that are so

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Speaker 3: Those it's not a lot, okay, But what's not a lot?

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Speaker 2: You know, you know, how about we get you know,

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Speaker 2: oh well the Clay and Buck show. The government Just

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Speaker 2: kick us like, you know, five to ten mil. You know,

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Speaker 2: seven registered Democrats, zero Republicans working at NPR. How can

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Speaker 2: Does does it even feel the need to have Hey,

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Speaker 2: They want like a Maoist cultural revolution level purity in

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Speaker 1: About it and think about how much self selecting is

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Speaker 2: And the way the way diversity and inclusion actually functions

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Speaker 3: Fisher v.

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Speaker 5: Right. So, this relates to the government's use DOJ's use

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Speaker 1: Okay, Julie, I listened to part of this. I saw

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Speaker 5: So, just to clarify, I wasn't in the courtroom today.

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Speaker 2: Actually, Julie, can we can we jump in here real

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Speaker 3: Is obstruction a problem play.

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Speaker 7: The Act as rays does require obstruction, which we understand

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Speaker 6: proceeding for an indefinite period would not be covered.

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Speaker 7: Not necessarily. We would just have to have the evidence

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Speaker 7: of intent, and that's a.

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Speaker 3: They intend to do it, all right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I just think he knuked their whole argument here.

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Speaker 2: I don't know how they get around this. There's absolutely

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Speaker 2: no legal basis that she's saying, Oh, well, corrupt men's

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Speaker 2: ray or something. Yeah, they're obstructing, they want obstruct and

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Speaker 2: they're obstructing. Really, it seems to me, July, what she's

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Speaker 2: saying is, well, if you know it's climate change protesters,

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Speaker 2: we like them, so we're not going to throw them

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Speaker 2: in prison for twenty years.

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Speaker 5: That's exactly what she was saying. And I don't take

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Speaker 5: this a step first, sir. I just emailed last week

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Speaker 5: the spokeswoman for the DCUs Attorney's office, the federal prosecutor

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Speaker 5: handling now fourteen hundred plus JA six cases and I

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Speaker 5: asked her, do you have any of the pro Palestinian

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Speaker 5: anti Israel demonstrators who have done the same sort of

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Speaker 5: conduct over the past six months, especially in Washington, DC

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Speaker 5: and unlawfully entering capital buildings and disrupting Senate hearings. Have

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Speaker 5: they faced any federal charges, including obstruction of an official proceeding?

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Speaker 5: And she told me no, that all of these cases

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Speaker 5: are being handled by the local DC prosecutor, which means

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Speaker 5: they will be local offenses. So I was a little

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Speaker 5: surprised that Elizabeth Peyligor was not better prepared to answer

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Speaker 5: the selective prosecution angle of fifteen twelve c. Two and

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Speaker 5: the potential slippery slope, which is a justice that seemed

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Speaker 5: concerned about that if you carved this out and turn

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Speaker 5: this into a felony punishable by twenty years up to

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Speaker 5: prison for someone screaming during a proceeding of the Supreme

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Speaker 5: Court or a Senate confirmation hearing, or anything we've seen

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Speaker 5: especially the past six months. But she's saying, oh, no,

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Speaker 5: that won't apply, and they're asking, well why not, Well,

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Speaker 5: I just don't think it will. That's okay, satisfy the

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Speaker 5: inquiring minds of the justices Julie.

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Speaker 1: As always, you're doing an incredible job covering this, and

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Speaker 1: I have to give you credit. Years ago you started

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Speaker 1: raising this as a potential issue, and I think a

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Speaker 1: lot of people shot.

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Speaker 3: You down with, oh, there's never going to be any

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Speaker 3: impact on this.

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Speaker 1: And now it seems likely that the Supreme Court is

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Speaker 1: going to strike down I think prosecutions under this statute.

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Speaker 1: If we are correct about that, and in June the

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Speaker 1: Supreme Court issues an opinion you said maybe five four

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Speaker 1: six ' three, I think you would agree that it's

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Speaker 1: likely that they are going to strike it down.

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Speaker 3: What is the impact? Then? Where do we go from there?

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Speaker 5: Well? Thank you are saying that. That's why today was

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Speaker 5: so gratifying, because I have been covering this for over

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Speaker 5: three years and hearing from more importantly the defendants and

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Speaker 5: their families and what this substruction felony charge has destroyed

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Speaker 5: their lives and families and bankrupted them. So what it

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Speaker 5: will mean for them They will get to go back

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Speaker 5: and say that the Supreme Court has has reversed the DOJ.

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Speaker 5: Matthew Graves, the DC US Attorney, and seventeen judges on

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Speaker 5: the DC District and Circuit courts who else held discount

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Speaker 5: even when they knew understood how vague it was, how

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Speaker 5: broad it was, how selectively it has been applied, and

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Speaker 5: the slippery slope that it creates. These defendants now will

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Speaker 5: get long awaited exoneration and hopefully they you know, they

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Speaker 5: will have this charge reversed, they will be released from prison,

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Speaker 5: they'll have the charge drop, they won't face prison time.

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Speaker 5: And this will represent a huge black eye to the

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Speaker 5: DC Federal court system and the US Attorne Office in

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Speaker 5: DC and d OJ for abusing this law too. Yes,

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Speaker 5: creates a set of political prisoners who only have been

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Speaker 5: subjected to the selonies when no one else has and

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Speaker 5: is Elizabeth Piliguard said today no one else will be

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Speaker 5: just JA sixers.

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Speaker 1: Julie, how does it apply to Trump? So we know

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Speaker 1: that they're trying to still rush through this case. I

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Speaker 1: believe this would knock in theory two of the four

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Speaker 1: charges that Jack Smith is trying to bring against Trump

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Speaker 1: out of the contemplation. Right, What would that mean as

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Speaker 1: you see it for that trial in the event that

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Speaker 1: we're right and this ruling comes down, because to make

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Speaker 1: it like kind of Trump specific I believe I'm correct

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Speaker 1: that two of the four charges against Trump for January

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Speaker 1: sixth related charges in DC are these aspects that are

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Speaker 1: being examined.

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Speaker 5: You're exactly right. So this is has great jeopardy to

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Speaker 5: jacksmith criminal indictment in Washington against Donald Trump, which of

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Speaker 5: course is now and definitely postponed until the Supreme Court

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Speaker 5: renders an opinion on presidential immunity. Those hearings are next Thursday,

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Speaker 5: by the way, for people who want to tune in.

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Speaker 5: But this does jeopardize his indictment, and it should if

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Speaker 5: the Supreme Court comes back, and they need to very

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Speaker 5: clearly say any congressional proceeding, including the events of January sixth,

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Speaker 5: does not apply to the meaning of official proceeding in

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Speaker 5: the entirety of fifteen twelve, including fifteen twelve C one

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Speaker 5: and C two. And this has to do with destruction

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Speaker 5: of evidence, impairment, document treading, etc. So if they come

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Speaker 5: back and they say the January six is not an

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Speaker 5: official proceeding as or at leads to fifteen twelve, then

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Speaker 5: I don't see how Jack Smith continues to keep those

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Speaker 5: two counts in his four account indictment. There are other

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Speaker 5: ways the Supreme Court could head and protect within Jack

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Speaker 5: Smith's indictment. You heard a little bit of Amy Cony

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Speaker 5: Barrett which made me nervous, sort of reiterating Jack smith

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Speaker 5: talking points that the electoral certificates represent a document or

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Speaker 5: record in an official proceeding, So hopefully the court will

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Speaker 5: come back with a strong resolution to that as well.

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Speaker 5: But this will be also I should have had it

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Speaker 5: special counsel Jacksmith and his team of Black Eye to

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Speaker 5: him as well for bringing such a vague, untested statute

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Speaker 5: and a presidential unprecedented criminal indictment against Donald Trump.

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Speaker 2: Julie Kelly declassified on substack. Please subscribe to it. Julie,

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Speaker 2: We'll be talking to you a lot if you're now

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Speaker 2: on the election. Thanks for being here.

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Speaker 5: Thanks, guys really appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: She really is doing fabulous work book.

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Speaker 1: If anybody's out there and wants to keep their eyes

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Speaker 1: on all of these cases, I don't know of anybody

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Speaker 1: that's working harder and giving more interesting takes than Julie.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back in Clay ms Buck Sexton Show. I appreciate

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Speaker 1: all of you hanging out with us as we are

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Speaker 1: rolling through the Tuesday edition of the program and Obviously,

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Speaker 1: the stories which are going to dive back into right

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Speaker 1: at the top relate to everything having to do with

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Speaker 1: legal processes being put in place against Trump, both in

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Speaker 1: New York City but also the argument in Washington, d c.

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Speaker 1: Which would directly impact him. And I really think I

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Speaker 1: don't in the same way, Buck, I'm curious how you

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Speaker 1: would analyze this when the Supreme Court came out nine

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Speaker 1: to zero and said, hey, you can't. You can't take

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Speaker 1: Trump off the ballot Colorado, and that obviously killed attempts

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Speaker 1: to take him off the ballot in Maine and anywhere

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Speaker 1: else in the country. I think they tried to do

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Speaker 1: it in Illinois as well, and there were a lot

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Speaker 1: of left wingers out there that had been telling their audiences, Oh,

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Speaker 1: this is very legitimate, man, this is a really strong opinion.

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Speaker 3: Then you get slapped down.

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Speaker 1: I know, if, as I think is likely, Buck, the

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Speaker 1: Supreme Court comes out and says, hey, these January sixth

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Speaker 1: political prosecutions have been impermissible, you could say, even illegal

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Speaker 1: under the law. How are all those people going to

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Speaker 1: respond who've been saying that anybody who argued these jan

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Speaker 1: six cases were illegitimate and that the people were being

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Speaker 1: unfairly prosecuted going to be able to sit down and

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Speaker 1: talk to their audiences again. I guess they'll probably just

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Speaker 1: say the Supreme Court is corrupt. But there are a

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Speaker 1: lot of l's getting stacked here for left wing liberal

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Speaker 1: interpretations of what the court is going to do.

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Speaker 2: I see two things with this. One is, unfortunately, the

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Speaker 2: anti Trump audience in America will forgive any any lie,

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Speaker 2: any transgression, any amount of bull crap, as long as

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Speaker 2: it was intended to hurt Trump.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: So it doesn't matter if you say, oh my, look,

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Speaker 2: madau with the taxes.

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Speaker 3: Right, if you.

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Speaker 2: Say we are thirty days from me exposing that Donald

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Speaker 2: Trump is actually a lizard person, I'm gonna pull his

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Speaker 2: mask off. You're gonna see he's actually a lizard. He's

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Speaker 2: got the little FOURK tongue, the whole thing. And thirty

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Speaker 2: days passes, and sure enough, you don't have the goods.

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Speaker 2: They don't get mad. They just say, okay, well you

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Speaker 2: were trying to take down Trump, right. It's part of

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Speaker 2: the mania. It's part of I think the the disorder

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Speaker 2: that people have of anti Trump isn't that it becomes

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Speaker 2: something that is always self justifying. So that's that's one

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Speaker 2: piece of it. Right, as long as you're trying to

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Speaker 2: hurt Trump, they'll forgive you for anything. What he forgive

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Speaker 2: is even the right word. That's fine. Just as long

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Speaker 2: as anti Trump, they're on board, even if you over

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Speaker 2: promise and underdelivered, because look at Russia collusion. For four years,

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Speaker 2: everybody who was involved as a Democrat in Russia collusion,

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Speaker 2: even your buddy Eric Swowall, they all got, you know,

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Speaker 2: elevated effectively by Democrat Party. That's part one, and then

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Speaker 2: just part two real quick. I mentioned this in the

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Speaker 2: first hour. If what Trump did was so bad and

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Speaker 2: so clearly illegal, they wouldn't have to keep concocting novel

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Speaker 2: and illegitimate legal theories to get him. You know, it'd

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Speaker 2: be pretty straightforward. He did X, we prove why Z

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Speaker 2: is the result. Instead, it's always well, if you look

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Speaker 2: at this and you talk about that, and you know, presto,

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Speaker 2: it's always a magic trick to prove Trump guilty of

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Speaker 2: something when it should be ironclad, and it's the opposite

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Speaker 2: of that.

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Speaker 3: We come back at the top of the third hour,

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna play a clip. Stephen A.

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Speaker 1: Smith basically addressed this, and I thought It was somewhat

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Speaker 1: interesting because I don't see him as a particularly partisan guy.

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Speaker 1: But one of the questions we've been asking from the

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Speaker 1: get go is how is this going to this case

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Speaker 1: in New York City in particular, going to be received

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Speaker 1: in a general sense, And we talked about and will reinforce.

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Speaker 1: Most people are not actually going to be following this

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Speaker 1: minute by minute trial as many of you are going.

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Speaker 1: You're super plugged in, you're engaged politically. Most people don't

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Speaker 1: do that. They just kind of have a generalized sense

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Speaker 1: about Trump and what is being attempted to do, what

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Speaker 1: they're trying to do to him. I think what you

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Speaker 1: just hit on, Buck and what I think we're gonna

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Speaker 1: play for you at the top of the third hour

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Speaker 1: is a lot of people just see this as a

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Speaker 1: panic because if Trump was really so bad, why can't

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Speaker 1: you just beat him in an election? If Trump is

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Speaker 1: such a uniquely hit larian figure, why can't you just

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Speaker 1: line up, go head to head against him and beat him?

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Speaker 1: And there are more polls out of the swing states

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Speaker 1: and Trump is up in six of them, and I

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Speaker 1: think there is an increasing panic. Democrats never thought that

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Speaker 1: we would be here. They didn't think we'd be here

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Speaker 1: in mid April before the November election with Trump leading

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Speaker 1: in many of the swing states. They never thought they

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Speaker 1: would be here, and that's going to lead them, I think,

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Speaker 1: to start to make more irrational decisions. You know how

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Speaker 1: when a panic sets in a lot of times, you

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Speaker 1: don't make the best decision for your side because you're

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Speaker 1: allowing emotion and fear to govern the choices that you make.

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Speaker 1: I think Democrats are starting to get there. I think

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Speaker 1: they know that they've hit an iceberg and they're seeing

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Speaker 1: the Titanic take on water the SS Biden and I

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Speaker 1: don't think they have a good game plan right now.

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Speaker 2: This is my concern is that they're going to get

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Speaker 2: increasingly erratic, vicious, and desperate as this election gets closer.

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Speaker 2: Because I'll be honest, I'm surprised at how resoundingly their

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Speaker 2: anti Trump lawfair has backfired thus far. That could change,

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Speaker 2: It doesn't look like it will anytime soon, and if

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Speaker 2: it doesn't play, they're going to be beyond pull.

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Speaker 1: Out all the stops. What comes next? Great question, We'll

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Speaker 1: talk about it when we come back. Final hour, two

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Speaker 1: day editions