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Speaker 1: Welcome back in our number two Friday edition, Clay and Buck.

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Speaker 1: I am down on the north side of Florida on

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Speaker 1: the beautiful Panhandle. Buck is down on the south side

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Speaker 1: take you into the weekend. And I want to play

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Speaker 1: a cut for you to kind of put a bow

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Speaker 1: on the discussion that we had surrounding the John Bolton

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Speaker 1: eighteen felony counts that he has been charged with. Even

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Speaker 1: on MSNBC when the indictment came out and they reviewed

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Speaker 1: the charges against him, they said, uh oh, this is

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Speaker 1: not very good for John Bolton. Here is MSNBC's guest

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Speaker 1: cut thirty three. Listen.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't look good for him. There's no way to

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Speaker 2: slice it. The details of this indictment do not look good.

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Speaker 1: Okay, that's former White House Deputy Press Secretary Sarah Matthews.

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Speaker 1: And so if CNN and MSNBC are actually saying, uh oh,

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Speaker 1: that is a huge mess, it probably is a huge

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Speaker 1: mess for John Bolton. And we've talked about that a lot.

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Speaker 1: In an hour one would encourage you go download the podcast.

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Speaker 1: the country. A whole first hour much of the discussion

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Speaker 1: about John Bolton. Now, there were two different debates last night.

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Speaker 1: For those of you who have been following this closely,

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Speaker 1: this is an off year and there are not a

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Speaker 1: ton of races going on. But the New Jersey governor's race,

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Speaker 1: the Virginia governor's race, and now the Virginia Attorney General's

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Speaker 1: race in conjunction with the New York City mayor's race,

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Speaker 1: will give you some sense maybe of the political environment

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Speaker 1: in general. Now, to be fair, Kamala won New Jersey

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Speaker 1: So I'm not sure how much you can tell what

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Speaker 1: all of that in mind, but within the context of

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Speaker 1: these debates, I just got to be honest, Buck, You're

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Speaker 1: a lifelong New York City resident who moved to Miami.

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Speaker 1: What is Curtis Leewa doing Mom Donnie is going to

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Speaker 1: win this race as long as he stays in it.

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Speaker 1: And I get it. If some of you say, well

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Speaker 1: Andrew Cuomo is no better, I'm gonna vote for Curtis Sliwa,

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Speaker 1: I get it. But whenever there is an anti Mom

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Speaker 1: Donnie vote that is being split, it means Mom Donnie

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Speaker 1: And so I just I don't understand at all what

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Speaker 1: after Andrew Cuomo. Will play a couple of those a

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Speaker 1: this from Harry Enton, who just lays out the math

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Speaker 1: on Mam Donnie is going to win. This is cut

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Speaker 2: Mamdanni leads by eighteen points.

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Speaker 4: Right now, look at the largest polling average miss since

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Speaker 2: You know what it was, It was eleven points.

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Speaker 4: You don't have going to be a mathematical genius to

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Speaker 4: Andrew Cuomo is going to come back and win, either

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Speaker 4: something like Curtis Leewa has to drop out of the race,

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Speaker 4: So you're gonna probably need something historically unprecedented for Andrew

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Speaker 1: Okay, Buck, what am I missing here?

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Speaker 1: I have previously said, and I'm sorry to the wor listeners.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry to all of you in New York City.

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Speaker 1: I have previously said, I actually think Mam Donnie Win,

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Speaker 5: Hey, I thought we're all I thought all we conservatives

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Speaker 5: Look, uh, I you know, I appreciate where Curtis is

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Speaker 1: I don't know him, but we've got him on the

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Speaker 5: I think what you need to do is have Cuomo

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Speaker 5: and I think that it's very hard for Sliwa to

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Speaker 5: But I can't let this be left to Cuomo either.

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Speaker 5: But if you if you want it to not be Mamdanni,

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Speaker 5: don't know. He's not going to be mayor unless a

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Speaker 1: Now, let me give you a positive side of this,

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Speaker 1: because mam Donnie's gonna win. I want all of you

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Speaker 1: Mamdani a jihadis because he is Mamdanni is a raging

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Speaker 1: the New York State Democratic Party chair refuses to support him.

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Speaker 1: from Elis Stefani. I think that not only could it

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Speaker 1: this as a positive as a glass half full situation. Yes,

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Speaker 1: So New York, I'm not I'm not letting you just

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Speaker 1: We got more on the Mum Donnie, Tommy, Mom Donnie.

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Speaker 1: Is Trump gonna be able to help send him home

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Speaker 1: Donnie's throwing some He's getting a little saucy over here.

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Speaker 1: In the last couple of moments, Zelensky of Ukraine has

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Speaker 9: Guys so much for having me on. That was a

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Speaker 5: of Syria. There was a report that came out that

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Speaker 5: he's just hanging out in a luxury Moscow apartment playing

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Speaker 5: video games all day?

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Speaker 3: Is it call of do?

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Speaker 7: Like what?

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Speaker 3: I want to know what the video game is?

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Speaker 9: Maybe?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Roadbox, Yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 9: You know, I think what's interesting is you have people

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Speaker 9: that capture power in the way they did. And you know,

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Speaker 9: I don't know if either of you saw the deposition

447
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Speaker 9: from the gentleman relative Tina Peters was putting it out

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Speaker 9: relative to his work at smart Mattic and the specific

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Speaker 9: development of that operating system to capture the elections thirty

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Speaker 9: years ago or whatever it was. And and you know,

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Speaker 9: I think when you have somebody that drives the country

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Speaker 9: into the ground, Eventually what happens the people began to

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Speaker 9: rise up, and we certainly saw that in the last

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Speaker 9: election and then the crackdown that came over. You know, yes,

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Speaker 9: this idea of citizen warfare. We saw the what was

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Speaker 9: a couple of months ago, they were showing some promo

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Speaker 9: stuff of you know, tractor Bob and you know, the

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Speaker 9: little lady holding the aka learning how to fight, and

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Speaker 9: that's absurd. I just don't believe that this country is

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Speaker 9: willing to endure any more of what's been taking place

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Speaker 9: because you know, they're look at their inflation, look at

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Speaker 9: their production, look at their output. The only thing that

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Speaker 9: saves them, obviously is illegal drug traffic and probably some

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Speaker 9: human trafficking as well as uh, you know, probably some

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Speaker 9: arms traffic, and but it's oil and so, you know,

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Speaker 9: before putting boots on the ground, I'd love to see

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Speaker 9: maybe a blockade or something a little bit more, giving

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Speaker 9: them time to negotiate or alter or come out with

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Speaker 9: a position before we start sending, you know, a young

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Speaker 9: American women into fight in Venezuela.

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Speaker 5: We're speaking to David Rutherford, former Navy seal, host of

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Speaker 5: this weekend if you if you missed this week's episode

475
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Speaker 5: and Rut you mentioned the cartels and how they've put

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Speaker 5: out bounties on members of US Border Patrol. We've had

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Speaker 5: multiple strikes now on narco terrorist boats in the Caribbean,

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Speaker 5: lethal strikes, right, kinetic strike missile is basically blown up ships,

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Speaker 5: and we're moving more military assets into the region to

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Speaker 5: do this. And when Joint Special Operations gets involved here,

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Speaker 5: when our operators are doing more against these cartels, do

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Speaker 5: you think the likelihood is they're going to go on

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Speaker 5: go to ground and try to ride it out or

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Speaker 5: are they going to try to escalate the violence in

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Speaker 5: response to change the political calculation here at home?

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Speaker 9: You know, that's the great question, right, Iron Plaid has had.

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Speaker 9: There's a woman who's a Mexican reporter who's talking about

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Speaker 9: she's doing on the ground interviews, you know, block out faces,

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Speaker 9: and they're saying we're just gonna wait it out. But

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Speaker 9: think about them the magnitude of the impact of shutting

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Speaker 9: that border down.

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Speaker 2: What does it cause?

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Speaker 9: Right, It's a lot of people. There's a guy named

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Speaker 9: Oscar Ramirez that's been reporting that there's a small civil

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Speaker 9: war amongst the cartels grouping building. So you know, I

496
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Speaker 9: think everybody's looking for, you know, how do we recapture

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Speaker 9: those those revenue streams that we lost from human trafficking

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Speaker 9: and probably a significant portion of trafficking across the border,

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Speaker 9: and so what what do they have to lose other

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Speaker 9: than you know, going kinetics. So as a result of that, Yeah,

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Speaker 9: there's a distinct possibility that's this, you know, Jasock. I

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Speaker 9: don't know about typical soft units, the lower tier three units,

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Speaker 9: but I definitely think you know, JASO combined with you know,

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Speaker 9: maybe some of the agency's assets or some of the

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Speaker 9: you know, counter narco assets within homeland. Yeah, they're they're

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Speaker 9: going to be ramping up their their mission profiles for sure.

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Speaker 1: Where does this go? All right? So we're I know

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Speaker 1: you're trying to analyze this in general, but what do

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Speaker 1: you think the true end goal? Marco Rubio is very

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Speaker 1: very well informed with what's been going on in Venezuela

511
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Speaker 1: former senator obviously now a Secretary of State, So I

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Speaker 1: would imagine that he's driving a large degree of this

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Speaker 1: inside of the White House. If the Trump team had

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Speaker 1: their ability to sort of waive their magic wand what

515
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Speaker 1: would they like to see happen in Venezuela. We know

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Speaker 1: they have unbelievable I think it's Chevron, primarily oil and

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Speaker 1: gas assets that used to be American owned. There have

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Speaker 1: been reports that Maduro basically is bending the knee and saying,

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Speaker 1: whatever you guys need, I'll give back to you in

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Speaker 1: terms of oil and gas assets. Is it any kind

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Speaker 1: of negotiation with him or do you think he has

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Speaker 1: to be gone in order for there to be any

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Speaker 1: sort of reconciliation between the United States and Venezuela.

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Speaker 9: Play That is the thousand dollars question right there right

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Speaker 9: And I think Mark Rubio is a great guy to

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Speaker 9: be doing this. He's been so integrated into the Central

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Speaker 9: South American political landscape as or you know, his Cuban

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Speaker 9: ancestry and just where he positions himself and has been

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Speaker 9: for years. So I think he's a great guy. I

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Speaker 9: think they're riding this incredible high of negotiations right now.

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Speaker 9: Obviously the Ukraine Russia one is the one that escapes them,

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Speaker 9: but I think there might be a real willingness to,

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Speaker 9: you know, come in and try and negotiate some type

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Speaker 9: of deal, uh to to put the fires out, so

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Speaker 9: to speak, and that would be relative to regaining some

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Speaker 9: considerable you know, uh leverage on the oil industry because

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Speaker 9: that's the heartbeat of their whole country. However, you know,

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Speaker 9: you've got a very staunch influence coming from China again.

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Speaker 9: You know, I was looking up the numbers just you know,

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Speaker 9: this morning, and it's pretty staggering what they've been doing.

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Speaker 9: So if they feel like they their exports can be

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Speaker 9: maintain pain through their China relationship or the Bricks relationship

543
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Speaker 9: or whatever that might be, I think there, you know,

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Speaker 9: Maduro might be willing to stave off any of the

545
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Speaker 9: economic pressures that he's already been doing so far. But

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Speaker 9: I just think there's such a momentum. I mean that

547
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Speaker 9: that piece deal in Israel, I mean that is more

548
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Speaker 9: significant than anything I think we've seen in a long

549
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Speaker 9: long time. And the fact that you know, Machada wanted

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Speaker 9: to give her Nobel Peace Prize to Trump. You know,

551
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Speaker 9: there's this unique relationship that's been formed there. So I

552
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Speaker 9: think it's some kind of either deal with with like

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Speaker 9: you said, with the oil industry or some of those,

554
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Speaker 9: but it's also I would imagine pressure to hold new

555
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Speaker 9: elections with some perhaps some un oversight that that would

556
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Speaker 9: be something that would be truly a monumental feat for

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Speaker 9: Rubio in his team of of you know, the newly

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Speaker 9: found ability to have diplomacy in our state department, which

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Speaker 9: is a pretty awesome thing to see.

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Speaker 9: But you saw what happened the last time the Green

565
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Speaker 9: Beret guy went down there and tried to do it right.

566
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Speaker 9: And you know what was kind of funny, which is

567
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Speaker 9: kind of this hidden story a lot of people don't

568
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Speaker 9: talk about, is you know they the last administration tried

569
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Speaker 9: to pin that on a bunch of Trump loyalists right

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Speaker 9: FBI investigations. They tried to really connect some true Trump

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Speaker 9: loyalists people that are involved in the government now to

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Speaker 9: participating and kind of that you know, random like Kamakazi

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Speaker 9: We're going to take down. It was almost like a

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Speaker 9: bush League bay of pigs for Yasco. For the grouping.

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Speaker 3: It was like an a these action movie plot, but

576
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Speaker 3: it was real.

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Speaker 9: It was totally real. And I have a lot of

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Speaker 9: friends that had to go talk to the Bureau as

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Speaker 9: a result of that. And so I don't know. I mean,

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Speaker 9: I I I think the population is ripe for some influence,

581
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Speaker 9: but I don't, I don't know. Man, it seemed like

582
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Speaker 9: the military really coalesced around him to go after you know,

583
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Speaker 9: the opposition or whatever you want to call it, after

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Speaker 9: those elections, you know, and we saw Brazil was able

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Speaker 9: kind of socialist countries were able to do that. And

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Speaker 9: so what I think it is is how are they

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Speaker 9: so confident that they can, you know, repress those uprisings?

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Speaker 9: And I think it's about a money issue. So where

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Speaker 9: is Venezuela getting the money to pay for their soldiers

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Speaker 9: at scale in support of knocking down these these you know,

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Speaker 7: Any guys, how are you doing? Thanks for taking my call. Hey,

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Speaker 7: I've been immersed in the Venezuelan culture here for over

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Speaker 7: twenty years, and I can tell you that Maduro is

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Speaker 7: only a small part of the problem.

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Speaker 3: You're still there, Yeah, yeah, everyone's listening.

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Speaker 7: Go ahead, okay, okay, yeah, it's it's not only Maduro.

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Speaker 7: It's also a guy by the name of diast out

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Speaker 7: of Caveo, who's the big narco king there. He's kind

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Speaker 7: of a lieutenant to Maduro. So if you take on Madua,

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Speaker 7: you have to kill theist out of Caveo. It's just

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Speaker 7: he's a narco as bad as they come. The other

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Speaker 7: thing is they you were talking about, and I believe

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Speaker 7: the same blood as Rutherford, so I kind of know

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Speaker 7: a little here about decades prior to him. But the

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Speaker 7: money of that Maduro is still us in gold. It's

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Speaker 7: transported to Britain. This is a well known fact. It's

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Speaker 7: been transported to Spain, but it's also been in the

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Speaker 7: hands of hugushapas his daughter who lives in New York City.

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Speaker 7: So you know, he's as long as he's been in office.

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Speaker 7: So if you take care of him, you gotta take

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Speaker 7: care of this out to veil in all his soldiers

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Speaker 7: as well.

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Speaker 5: And I'm sure alrighty Ruby, all, thanks, thanks, thanks, thank you, Sean.

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Speaker 3: But yep, we hear you, We hear you on that.

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Speaker 5: Look, Clay, it's really is the Trump administration going to

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Speaker 5: go full clear in present danger on the Maduro regime

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Speaker 5: and the narco terrorists.

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Speaker 3: They're in, You know, they're.

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Speaker 5: In, and it could get interesting, and we're already blowing

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Speaker 5: up boats, which they didn't even do in clear in

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Speaker 5: present danger.

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Speaker 3: No doubt.

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Speaker 1: And this all ties into a large extent not only

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Speaker 1: on the drug front, but on the price of oil

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Speaker 1: and gas. Has anybody noticed that the price of oil

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Speaker 1: and gas continues to plummet and that it is cheapest

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Speaker 1: that it has been since twenty twenty one when we

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Speaker 1: were coming out of COVID and people were not traveling

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Speaker 1: very much. Uh, that's a big win that doesn't get

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Speaker 1: very much discussion. We'll talk about that and more. Final

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Speaker 1: Hour of the week next