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Speaker 3: What's going on everyone, Emily Abadi Here.

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Speaker 4: You are listening to episode three hundred and sixteen of Hurdle,

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Speaker 4: a wellness focused podcast where I talk to inspirational people

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Speaker 4: about everything from their highest ties.

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Speaker 3: And toughest moments to essential tips on.

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Speaker 4: How to live a healthier, happier, more motivated life. We

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Speaker 4: all go through our fair share of hurdles. My goal

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Speaker 4: through these discussions is to empower you to better navigate

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Speaker 4: yours and move with intention so that you can stride

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Speaker 4: towards your own big potential and of course have some

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Speaker 4: fun along the way. Today's episode, I am talking to

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Speaker 4: my good friend m Johnson. She's an independent creative specializing

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Speaker 4: in photography, videography and creative direction a multi hype in it.

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Speaker 3: It's something I can get on board with.

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Speaker 4: I love this conversation and it is super interesting to

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Speaker 4: hear about how em picked up a camera and really

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Speaker 4: followed her passions when it came to creating content, making

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Speaker 4: it her full time career. We chat about her role

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Speaker 4: in building together a media and commerce company that many

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Speaker 4: of us know in love all about supporting and uplifting

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Speaker 4: women in sport, and she gives some details into what

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Speaker 4: she's doing today involving capturing content for one of the

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Speaker 4: best to ever do it, Brianna Stewart. Em and I

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Speaker 4: talk about the importance about getting more female photographers covering

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Speaker 4: sport out on the sidelines, advice she'd offer her younger

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Speaker 4: self just getting into the mix. Her new gig was Celsius,

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Speaker 4: empowering her to use her talents to create content in

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Speaker 4: excited about coming down the pipeline. EM and I had

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Speaker 4: the opportunity to record this in Paris inside of Athleta's

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Speaker 4: Power of She Space, So thank you to them, of course,

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Speaker 4: your weekend with that, Let's get to it. Let's get

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Speaker 4: to hurdling.

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Speaker 3: Today. I'm sitting down with Emily Johnson.

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Speaker 4: She's an independent creative Podo video creative Direction.

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Speaker 3: We're at the Olympics.

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Speaker 1: Where else would we be?

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Speaker 3: We have things degree, we live.

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Speaker 2: Five minute walk from each other. Why we had to

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Speaker 2: come to Paris to do this?

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Speaker 4: We did have to come to Paris to do this,

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Speaker 4: and honestly it's a good excuse, right, Yeah, wow, welcome.

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Speaker 4: You only just got here, yes, yesterday, and it's your

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Speaker 4: first time in the city.

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Speaker 1: It is I'm excited.

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Speaker 4: Do you have something aside from the sport that you're

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Speaker 1: Basketball courts? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I love like walking around and like finding outdoor hoops

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Speaker 2: and capturing them in the Pigali court, which has been

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Speaker 2: I think it's just me like exploring and like capturing

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Speaker 4: And when you say capturing, like what goes through your

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Speaker 1: I think it's instinct.

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Speaker 2: I think it's also I love street photography where you

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Speaker 2: But I love hoops like I love capturing outdoor basketball courts,

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Speaker 4: And where did your love for hoops stem from?

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Speaker 2: I think for me, I always like wore that as

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Speaker 4: It's so interesting because you don't often hear someone say

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Speaker 2: I think I don't ever mind kind of being a

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Speaker 2: my previous coaches, my mom, everyone, my partner will say this,

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Speaker 2: to embody that where it's kind of like I don't

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Speaker 2: I think early on where you're in this mode where like, okay,

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Speaker 1: To go like prove you wrong type of stuff.

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Speaker 4: So, speaking of early on, you have been on the

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Speaker 2: there's it's hard for them to invest in you.

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Speaker 1: It's the whole thing. But I took the opportunity.

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Speaker 2: One of my international teammates, she showed me this app

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Speaker 2: put a little film on it, you put some music

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Speaker 1: It was like TikTok before like ten years ago.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I just started capturing stuff like our road

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Speaker 2: And I think for me that got the ball rolling

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Speaker 4: which is this how do I navigate the things that

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Speaker 4: I kind of changed. You didn't start at Colorado because

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Speaker 1: I mean hindsight twenty twenty on it.

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Speaker 2: And it put me in a dark space for sure,

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Speaker 2: So that was massive and I think for me, the

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so entirely understandable now knowing that it was difficult

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Speaker 4: that would write about them when you talk to other

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Speaker 4: I cried, no, no, but like so important, but maybe

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Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I think the cool thing about Colorado State

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Speaker 2: I don't want to, like but it was like I

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00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:26,640
Speaker 2: didn't I didn't want to put in all that work,

447
00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:29,840
Speaker 2: but like, well, I go watch a two hour YouTube

448
00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:33,000
Speaker 2: video on how to create this absolutely like I just

449
00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:35,199
Speaker 2: like it's a different mindset. And so for me that

450
00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:37,560
Speaker 2: all came to light there in that like time of

451
00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:41,000
Speaker 2: time period. And again the snowball, like I got that camera,

452
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Speaker 2: I did did and.

453
00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:46,320
Speaker 1: Like realize, Okay, I gotta level up a little bit.

454
00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:48,640
Speaker 2: I got to work for when I graduated, I got

455
00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:50,840
Speaker 2: to work for the Texas football team and staff, and

456
00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:53,720
Speaker 2: they have even better equipment and I got.

457
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Speaker 1: To utilize all of that.

458
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Speaker 2: And so it was just sort of they say equipment

459
00:20:57,240 --> 00:21:00,600
Speaker 2: doesn't matter, but to an extent, it does a little bit.

460
00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:03,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, so having access to that was big.

461
00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:06,560
Speaker 2: And yeah, I was a sponge for so many years

462
00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:08,159
Speaker 2: and I still am a sponge, but it was like

463
00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:10,479
Speaker 2: I just was geeking out on learning as much as

464
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Speaker 2: I could about how to create the best type of content.

465
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

466
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Speaker 4: You know, it's so interesting because this conversation around finding

467
00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:20,000
Speaker 4: the thing that truly lights you up. It reminds me

468
00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:23,400
Speaker 4: of a conversation I had with a sports psychologist who

469
00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:25,520
Speaker 4: was talking to me about so many athletes when they're

470
00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:28,000
Speaker 4: phasing out of the game or they're graduating within sport,

471
00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:31,680
Speaker 4: they have this opportunity to identify what it is about

472
00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:35,080
Speaker 4: sport that actually excites them. Whether it's the competition, whether

473
00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:37,680
Speaker 4: it's the opportunity to play with the team, whether it's

474
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Speaker 4: the preparation or the diligence that goes into it, and

475
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Speaker 4: then segue those aspects into the next chapter.

476
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Speaker 3: Right, So if you are someone who actually really.

477
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Speaker 4: Likes the routine that goes into sport, then how can

478
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Speaker 4: you bring that routine into whatever it is that excites

479
00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:54,560
Speaker 4: you next. So it's just getting really granular with the

480
00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:58,320
Speaker 4: little things, right, getting really granular and asking yourself what

481
00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:00,600
Speaker 4: is it that makes Emily feel good?

482
00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:03,040
Speaker 3: It's also really funny because I say that I'm.

483
00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:06,440
Speaker 4: Trying yourself, but I'm also talking to you. It's so weird,

484
00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:09,760
Speaker 4: but I love it so cool. So and then as

485
00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:12,440
Speaker 4: to your point, the equipment matters. So what an unbelievable

486
00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:15,280
Speaker 4: opportunity is for you to get in with this football

487
00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:17,760
Speaker 4: team and now you're really cooking with gass.

488
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Speaker 2: Yeah, because it's like I think the thing is, like

489
00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:22,960
Speaker 2: equipment is a big barrier to entry for just a

490
00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:25,520
Speaker 2: lot of creatives where it's like you have the eye,

491
00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:28,080
Speaker 2: you have the understanding, you have a storytelling, but like

492
00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:30,320
Speaker 2: in order to bring that to life at a premium

493
00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:33,679
Speaker 2: level like you can these days were more equipped with

494
00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:37,800
Speaker 2: like iPhones that can capture like high quality, but eight

495
00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:40,040
Speaker 2: ten years ago that wasn't the case where it's like

496
00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:43,080
Speaker 2: that sort of was just like a way to amplify

497
00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:45,520
Speaker 2: all of your work and so and to have the

498
00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:48,200
Speaker 2: canvas of like a college football team where like every

499
00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:51,160
Speaker 2: day I'm going to practice and capturing them every day.

500
00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:53,760
Speaker 2: I kept capturing every game like it was working so

501
00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:55,440
Speaker 2: many different muscles.

502
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that leveled things up a lot for me.

503
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

504
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Speaker 4: I mean I'm sitting here right now with you when

505
00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:01,919
Speaker 4: I have a ton of great equipment here that I

506
00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:05,560
Speaker 4: don't have at home, right and it puts me in

507
00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:09,399
Speaker 4: this position which is then a twofold problem because it's like, Okay,

508
00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:11,600
Speaker 4: I walk out of here and I have ten weeks

509
00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:18,040
Speaker 4: of unbelievable podcast content, And then I ask myself, in

510
00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:21,560
Speaker 4: those ten weeks, what are you capable of changing so

511
00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:24,119
Speaker 4: that if you wanted to roll with this for ten weeks,

512
00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:27,760
Speaker 4: can you then start a foundation that enables you to

513
00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:31,560
Speaker 4: continue this when you return. It's it's like I said,

514
00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:35,399
Speaker 4: it's twofold, it's can I and then what do I

515
00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:37,520
Speaker 4: need to make it happen? And that then goes to

516
00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:41,440
Speaker 4: your conversation around money and equipment and is this the

517
00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:44,240
Speaker 4: bet on yourself era? I think it is. I think

518
00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:46,359
Speaker 4: we're in the bet in yourself era. Let's talk in

519
00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:49,159
Speaker 4: the bet on yourself era. Yeah, I know that right now.

520
00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:52,119
Speaker 4: You feel like you two are in this period of

521
00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:55,040
Speaker 4: time where you're kind of flexing muscles in a different

522
00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:57,760
Speaker 4: way and moving and really trying some new things. So

523
00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:03,399
Speaker 4: how is that manifesting for you at this point in time.

524
00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:07,000
Speaker 2: I think it's for me and I tell us some

525
00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:09,200
Speaker 2: of my friends where it's like, again, I'm a challenger

526
00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:11,360
Speaker 2: where like early on in my career when people are like, Okay,

527
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:14,639
Speaker 2: you kind of need to have like give it ten years,

528
00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:16,439
Speaker 2: give it like a little bit of like you have

529
00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:19,520
Speaker 2: to get this like understanding this experience, like experiences a

530
00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:21,160
Speaker 2: lot of value. And for me, I was like, nah,

531
00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:23,040
Speaker 2: I don't need experience, Like I can make cool shit.

532
00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:25,600
Speaker 2: I can do I can do this. Like I think

533
00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:28,160
Speaker 2: where that for me is like I was, I'm at

534
00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:30,280
Speaker 2: that point where I've had the ten years under my belt,

535
00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:32,320
Speaker 2: I've been doing it and I've like laid the bricks

536
00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:35,560
Speaker 2: where yeah, I think going fully freelanced, like I call

537
00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:38,560
Speaker 2: it the independent creative. Like I think for me, this

538
00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:41,000
Speaker 2: was the perfect timing for it, and I think, yeah,

539
00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:42,720
Speaker 2: just seeing sort of the fruits of my labor that

540
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Speaker 2: I was able to lay over the last like handful

541
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Speaker 2: of years at the different gigs I was in, Like,

542
00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:50,000
Speaker 2: I definitely I was.

543
00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:51,640
Speaker 1: Kind of forced in the betting on myself.

544
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:54,840
Speaker 2: I had definitely planned on it, but it was one

545
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:58,040
Speaker 2: of those things where you plan and you're waiting for

546
00:24:58,080 --> 00:24:59,520
Speaker 2: everything to line up perfectly.

547
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Speaker 3: Yeah, which, uh, that doesn't happen. I was gonna say,

548
00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:02,639
Speaker 3: I was gonna say it.

549
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:05,920
Speaker 1: I never just like this doesn't happen, but you kind

550
00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:06,359
Speaker 1: of like it was.

551
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:08,600
Speaker 2: I was scared. I knew I was going to be uncomfortable.

552
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:11,160
Speaker 2: I knew there was this sort of like this would

553
00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:15,159
Speaker 2: kind of reveal a lot to me, and I think this,

554
00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:19,199
Speaker 2: I'm now a year freelance, which is it feels like

555
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:21,160
Speaker 2: it's been like four years at this point, Like things

556
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:24,400
Speaker 2: move slowly, but it's like because of a full time

557
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:27,119
Speaker 2: job I had, the company kind of unexpectedly folded. It

558
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:30,280
Speaker 2: was like, oh, we're doing this now, like we're betting

559
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:32,119
Speaker 2: on ourselves. Now we're doing this, we're going full in,

560
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:36,359
Speaker 2: And I think for me it was it's been incredibly validating,

561
00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:39,000
Speaker 2: like the opportunities I've had since then and who I've

562
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:42,280
Speaker 2: gotten to work with Yeah, and I think for me

563
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:45,439
Speaker 2: it was just like, Okay, this was year one and

564
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:47,640
Speaker 2: what can we do year five, year ten?

565
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Speaker 3: Like Oh, I have goose pumps just thinking about it.

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591
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:29,640
Speaker 4: to work with, let's talk about what you would deem

592
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 4: to be perhaps the most foundational bricks for you.

593
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:35,720
Speaker 1: People.

594
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think people for me is big

595
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 2: and then I think just like the passion for it

596
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 2: where for me the people, like I've the connections I've

597
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:50,199
Speaker 2: made from year one to year now, and it's like

598
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 2: understanding that like doing right by people, being kind, working hard,

599
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:58,359
Speaker 2: and like doing things the right way, like that maybe

600
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:01,399
Speaker 2: in the moment doesn't get noticed, but like that's something

601
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:05,199
Speaker 2: that doesn't leave people, and it kind of like something

602
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 2: I bring it back where last season for the WNBA,

603
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 2: I shot the WNBA finals, like for the league, like

604
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:13,680
Speaker 2: the full stop, full thing.

605
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:16,280
Speaker 1: I was one person, like the one person doing it.

606
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 2: That opportunity came from someone I used to work with

607
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 2: six years prior to that, where that door opened because

608
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 2: of that where it was like six years ago my

609
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:31,199
Speaker 2: relationship with her name is Lucy. She has content for

610
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:35,440
Speaker 2: the W Now we didn't know that this would happen there,

611
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 2: but it's like for me, people is big because it's

612
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 2: like just being carrying yourself well and like that goes

613
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 2: a long way, and it made me not pay off.

614
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:47,240
Speaker 2: It doesn't maybe pay off like immediately, but I don't know.

615
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:48,959
Speaker 2: I think for me, like that's big. And then I

616
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 2: think just the passion, like I love women's sports.

617
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 3: She's like, I I love it. It's like shaking, yeah,

618
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:00,200
Speaker 3: I love women now.

619
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 2: I always have and I've always I think for me,

620
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 2: I cared deeply about parity and equality, and it's like

621
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 2: I think women's sports has always been easy for me,

622
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 2: Like I was an athlete, like I clearly identify with it.

623
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 2: I have friends who are still athletes, Like I just

624
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 2: love it, and I love the fight for what we're

625
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:17,959
Speaker 2: trying to build. And I think for me, it's like

626
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 2: that gives purpose as well to know that, okay, we're

627
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 2: fighting to like make things better and make improvements. So

628
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 2: it's like for me, I have this like deep deep,

629
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 2: deep passion for it, and it's like I think that

630
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 2: coupled with just like connections and moving and doing right

631
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 2: by people and doing things the right way. I think

632
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 2: just kind of help to uplift where I'm at.

633
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, and a double click on the people component.

634
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 4: It's also like it's not you're not being a good

635
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 4: person because you think that if I do this now,

636
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 4: this will happen. Then it's because you genuinely have this

637
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 4: moral compass that's like, no, this is the right way,

638
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 4: and this is how I want to present myself and

639
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:03,200
Speaker 4: this is who I am at my core, and that

640
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 4: is the kind of action and that is the kind

641
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 4: of manifestation and relationship building that over time, like it

642
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 4: you're good.

643
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 2: It's long game, and it's like I think for me,

644
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 2: like even in high school, it's like I ran with

645
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:19,480
Speaker 2: like what you might dub as like the popular crowd,

646
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 2: but I was still othered there because I was so

647
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 2: disciplined about like so I wouldn't go do any of

648
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 2: the partying stuff, like I was a goodie good yeah,

649
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 2: and I it was like I caught like I caught

650
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 2: flag from that growing up because it's like, oh, you're lame,

651
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:34,800
Speaker 2: like you go up.

652
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:37,480
Speaker 1: I'm like, for whatever reason, I've always just had this like.

653
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 2: Long game approach where I know like Okay, that then

654
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 2: like partying or is like the right fun thing to do,

655
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 2: but it's like what's the long term? And I think

656
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 2: to you, like the people building where it's like in

657
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:52,600
Speaker 2: this industry, it's very easy to be transactional and to

658
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 2: like lean into that and to get like really quick

659
00:30:55,560 --> 00:31:00,680
Speaker 2: temporary like benefit versus knowing like aligning yourself with what's

660
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 2: going to benefit you the most in the long run.

661
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 1: Is I think kind of just how.

662
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Speaker 3: I like to operate. Yeah, No, I mean I'm kind

663
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 3: of the same.

664
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Speaker 4: I was definitely like a good, good and it just

665
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 4: it just gave me too much anxiety to not really

666
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 4: be a.

667
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 1: Good, good candidly.

668
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 2: No, And I my parents, they they raised me well.

669
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 2: But yeah, I wish I never want to do wrong.

670
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 2: I still don't want to do.

671
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 3: I hear that.

672
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 4: I like to be a little bit of a disruptor,

673
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 4: but I always want to do it in like a.

674
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 3: Kind kind of safe way.

675
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 4: With that said, going back to your boisterous love for

676
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 4: women's sports, you have had the honor of doing a

677
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 4: myriad of things, but one of the things that you're

678
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:40,000
Speaker 4: most proud of, arguably would be the foundational work that

679
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 4: you did with together so talk a little bit about

680
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 4: how that project came onto your radar and let's move

681
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 4: and groove from there.

682
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 1: Yes, I love Together. That's my little baby, I think

683
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 1: for me.

684
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 2: I was at Player's tribute in New York, which for

685
00:31:54,680 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 2: context to like athlete storytelling wise pioneer of like led

686
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:05,479
Speaker 2: storytelling but also like walk the Walk and did stories

687
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 2: on women athletes and that was like a lot of

688
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 2: that work was attributed to like the editors and they

689
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 2: had and like the care and the diligence. But my

690
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 2: boss at the time at Players doing was Jess Robertson,

691
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:21,959
Speaker 2: who is now co founder of Together, and she had

692
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 2: gotten identified by Alex Morgan's team as like, Okay, this

693
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 2: is someone we want to build this with and like leverage,

694
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 2: and I became aware of such thing that was still

695
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 2: so under wraps there was no name for it, Like

696
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 2: it was just like there's this white space, this is

697
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 2: our plan, We're going to build it.

698
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 1: And I reached out and was.

699
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 2: Just like I want to do this, like please I will,

700
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 2: like I'm perfect for this, and so I got brought

701
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 2: on as the second employee and basically moved out to

702
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 2: LA This was like right before COVID started to and

703
00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 2: it was like, Okay, great, we're sitting in a room

704
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 2: like a whiteboard and like what's the name?

705
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 1: Like who are the other athletes that were launching with?

706
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 2: Because Alex was so so like saidfast and like this

707
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 2: is not happening alone. And I went there like this

708
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 2: is a brand for women's sports, but like all women

709
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 2: and that is not limited to race, sexuality, sport, like

710
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 2: none of that, Like this is for everyone. And so

711
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 2: it was really just from ground zero and for me

712
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 2: to have been involved in the capacity I was so

713
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 2: early on, Like it still doesn't feel like I think

714
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 2: that's something that even like ten years from now, I'll

715
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 2: be like, oh that was a really big deal, like

716
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 2: because of where together will like be. But in the

717
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 2: moment I knew and I was like for me, I

718
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 2: had the opportunity to build a brand for myself and

719
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 2: like that that's like a selfish approach in that sense,

720
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 2: but it was more of just like a way to

721
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 2: summarize like how cool of an experience.

722
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 1: It was where it was like this isn't exists and to.

723
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 2: Be on ground zero of doing that, like and to

724
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:08,719
Speaker 2: have my fingerprints all over it like that that opportunity

725
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 2: I was like, Nah.

726
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 1: This is this is sick.

727
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, and clearly your moral compass or your ambition was

728
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 4: the thing that triggered the no. But I need to

729
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 4: see it at this table for individuals that are listening

730
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 4: to this, and maybe they have their own version of

731
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 4: together the thing that they're excited about, but they have

732
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 4: that either imposter syndrome or they feel like they can't

733
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 4: garner the confidence to pull up the chair or to

734
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:38,880
Speaker 4: send the email any recommendation or advice somewhere to start

735
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 4: do it yourself.

736
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:42,839
Speaker 2: But I think like in the sense of I say

737
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 2: that where that minimizes it a bit, but it's like, Okay,

738
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 2: if you want to do you want to be brought

739
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:53,440
Speaker 2: in to do this project that or you want to

740
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 2: have create a space for like let's say you wanted

741
00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:57,400
Speaker 2: to build it together.

742
00:34:57,560 --> 00:34:57,840
Speaker 3: Yeah.

743
00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 2: Like I look at Ari Chambers, who she started, and

744
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:04,360
Speaker 2: then the real ones know that what is now highlight

745
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 2: her which is under like the Bleacher report like umbrella

746
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 2: that started as a handle called we are in Jayla

747
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 2: that Ari was just like this doesn't I need to

748
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 2: create content and I need to do this. I'm gonna

749
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 2: do it myself, And like then it materialized into what

750
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:23,880
Speaker 2: it is where I think I use as an example

751
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 2: of like, do it yourself, show proof of concept, like

752
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 2: don't wait for somebody to green light it or to

753
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:34,840
Speaker 2: give you something. Obviously, I think resourcing helps things to

754
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:39,399
Speaker 2: grow and have like scale, but I think just to

755
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 2: start and do it yourself, show proof of concept, create

756
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 2: the series you want yourself, create the photos you want yourself,

757
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:48,759
Speaker 2: and then the right people will take exception and notice it.

758
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 2: But then it's like, yeah, you got to reach out,

759
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 2: you got to get experience, like you gotta knock on

760
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 2: those doors, and you might get a lot of nose,

761
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 2: but it's that one yes or that one person who

762
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 2: sees your value that really makes the world of difference.

763
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 4: And I think that the thing that can be frustrating

764
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:10,360
Speaker 4: so many is maybe the repetition of the no right,

765
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 4: So it's so many no's, and then that turns into

766
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 4: a question of am I doing the right thing? And

767
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 4: so in those instances on my side, I turn inward

768
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 4: and ask myself, what's my why? And is my why

769
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:30,440
Speaker 4: strong enough to keep me persistent in the myriad and

770
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 4: see of nos? For you, what was the thing that

771
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 4: kept you knocking on doors when you felt as though

772
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:37,880
Speaker 4: maybe it wasn't one hundred percent clicking.

773
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 2: I think, and this is like I do think I

774
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 2: have my pathway like to sort of my creative career

775
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 2: starting like it. It wasn't like I've been very privileged

776
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 2: in that sense of like I didn't necessarily have to

777
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:57,840
Speaker 2: go through some of the exhaustive processes of like hearing

778
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:02,839
Speaker 2: no or like having over one hundred job applications put

779
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:06,399
Speaker 2: in like I've been I've been lucky to where I've

780
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:09,280
Speaker 2: not had to have that experience. But what I did,

781
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 2: and like starting with Texas women's basketball, like for example,

782
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 2: I just was like creating, creating, creating. I was on

783
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 2: like I don't don't quote me on this, but like

784
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 2: it was like eight twenty five an hour to like

785
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:25,840
Speaker 2: what my work was for them, and I was doing

786
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 2: so much and just trying to learn, learn, learn, have

787
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 2: all these proof of concepts. And then before I was graduating,

788
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:34,319
Speaker 2: the football team, like a new coach came in. This

789
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:37,840
Speaker 2: was right on the precipice of like content being huge

790
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:40,399
Speaker 2: for college athletes and like them investing in their own

791
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 2: creative teams. And I knew the football team was investing

792
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 2: in creatives, and I hit them up and was like

793
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 2: I want to like can I have an internship? And

794
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 2: they were like do you want full time? And I

795
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:56,440
Speaker 2: was like yes, Like I yes, that's not like for me.

796
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:58,840
Speaker 2: So like that was a that was a that was

797
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 2: a big thing for me where it was like it

798
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 2: worked out well.

799
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 4: It was like learn it was learned behavior, right, So

800
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 4: you learned in that moment that if you ask, you

801
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 4: might get what you want. Yeah, you also have learned

802
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:12,440
Speaker 4: by this point that if you ask, you might not.

803
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:16,279
Speaker 4: But it's shoot your shot or wonder what if?

804
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:18,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think a lot of what I've learned

805
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:22,240
Speaker 2: throughout my career is it's to not take it personally

806
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 2: when not everyone sees your value like I think there

807
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:29,279
Speaker 2: are you It's it's not you can't expect everyone to

808
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 2: see your value, to know your worth, to like understand

809
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 2: like what you bring to the table.

810
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 1: But the right places for you to be will see that.

811
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:39,839
Speaker 2: And so I think that's the hardest thing to come

812
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 2: to terms with is like a lot of the nose

813
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:44,719
Speaker 2: you're getting are like nos that you want to get,

814
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:47,719
Speaker 2: Like they're ultimately going to like put you in the

815
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 2: position or put you into the space that like is

816
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,800
Speaker 2: a brand is something that invests in you and wants

817
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:55,799
Speaker 2: like truly wants to like work with you.

818
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 1: And so I think the nose are hard.

819
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 2: They're hard, but it's the self awareness and it's like

820
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:05,399
Speaker 2: the perspective of like, Okay, the no is also a yes,

821
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 2: but like that doesn't minimize that shit hurts.

822
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 4: It's always gonna hurt, but yes, to your point, when

823
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 4: you get to know one place, it's really just a redirection,

824
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 4: and that redirection more often than not, puts you in

825
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 4: the space that whether or not you believe that's supposed

826
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:25,360
Speaker 4: to be, that ultimately will be better for you. Now,

827
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 4: when did you know then, as we progress on your

828
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:29,800
Speaker 4: journey that it was time to graduate from Together?

829
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:33,440
Speaker 2: So I think for Together, it was like it was

830
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 2: a marathon building that. And I think when I had joined,

831
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:38,880
Speaker 2: we were like gonna launch within like three months, like

832
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:41,799
Speaker 2: the timeline versus like what it with COVID. It just

833
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:43,480
Speaker 2: was like okay, wait, we can take our time and

834
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 2: like let's do this right, Let's have a body of

835
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 2: content to launch with, not just be like, hey, we're

836
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:51,359
Speaker 2: going to exist, stay tuned for everything. It was we're

837
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:53,759
Speaker 2: launching and we can we have a full plate of

838
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 2: stuff that we can like put In and I think

839
00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:58,839
Speaker 2: for me it was one that was in LA and

840
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 2: it was like I think I had built it. And

841
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:06,279
Speaker 2: when I say I had built it, like there was

842
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 2: we had a great small team and everyone had their parts.

843
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 2: I think I speak mostly on like being employeed to

844
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 2: and having my hand like my fingerprints are still all

845
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:18,919
Speaker 2: over it, which is I'm very proud of and it's

846
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:21,919
Speaker 2: the content. But when I was on the team part

847
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 2: of that, the small group building it, like.

848
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:28,360
Speaker 1: It was like it was our life, like that was

849
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:29,319
Speaker 1: we lived and breathed it.

850
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 2: We're doing it in COVID like on Zoom, like I

851
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 2: think for me, we spent like eighteen months building it.

852
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 2: We launched it, and then and then the coming months

853
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 2: after launching, I had less desire to be involved in

854
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:44,279
Speaker 2: the day to day of like this content machine. Like

855
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:46,879
Speaker 2: I think I had done content players Tribune. I had

856
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 2: just like even done content at Texas Football, Like I

857
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:53,319
Speaker 2: was like, I need to just like chill and have

858
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:56,759
Speaker 2: a bit of a shift. And I think startups too

859
00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:58,319
Speaker 2: is like they're not they don't have a ton of

860
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:02,880
Speaker 2: capital where salaries aren't huge either. And for me, I

861
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 2: was kind of at this point where I was like oh,

862
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 2: I'm like getting older where I'm like, I want to

863
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:12,720
Speaker 2: make more money and it was like that wasn't gonna

864
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:15,319
Speaker 2: happen then at together and it was like for me,

865
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 2: I also wanted to get back to New York.

866
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 1: I wanted to get out of this like content cycle.

867
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:21,919
Speaker 2: So I kind of like took a full time job

868
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 2: at a tech job that was like it was still

869
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 2: in sports. It was still aligned with my purpose where

870
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 2: they were trying to increase access to women's sports and

871
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 2: viewing it. So it definitely aligned, but it was I

872
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 2: was just not passionate about.

873
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:40,359
Speaker 3: Transparency. I just didn't necessarily sorry, but.

874
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 1: I'm wing my butt off.

875
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:44,360
Speaker 2: I did my job, but it was like that I

876
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:46,359
Speaker 2: think that was an experience I also needed to have

877
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 2: where I can't not be involved in telling the stories

878
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:53,800
Speaker 2: of women athletes, Like there's I can't I'm too humbly,

879
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:56,839
Speaker 2: I'm too good at it to where like I just

880
00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 2: can't I can't misuse my talents that I have to

881
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 2: like poor into it.

882
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 4: And it's it's something that is irrefutable because of now

883
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 4: where you see yourself in this space, So for context,

884
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 4: who are you working with primarily right now and what

885
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 4: projects have been in the works over the last year who.

886
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:20,399
Speaker 2: I'm working with now, So I've since going freelance kind

887
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 2: of just like was getting gigs a couple of retainers,

888
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:25,920
Speaker 2: did some work for the w did some work for Nike.

889
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:29,799
Speaker 2: But right now where I'm kind of putting a lot

890
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 2: of my eggs in the basket is I'm working with

891
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 2: Brianna Stewart. Stewie probably like the most decorated like women's

892
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 2: or not women's scratch that basketball player period period, Like

893
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:46,840
Speaker 2: her resume is just insane and like Stewie's a great

894
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 2: human being, and so the opportunity came where she's in

895
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:54,399
Speaker 2: New York, she's local, and it's okay, how can we

896
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:56,800
Speaker 2: we need someone who can just sort of be her person,

897
00:42:57,280 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 2: help like create, like be her creative partner. And so

898
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 2: for me, like that's been kind of since March and

899
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 2: really like the betterment of the season is like all right,

900
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 2: Like I'm just full fledged like working with her doing

901
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:13,880
Speaker 2: kind of her creative director like content person, so photo video,

902
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 2: I'm helping to kind of shape her brand a little bit,

903
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 2: and like, yeah, I think that's just for me, that's

904
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 2: like a culmination of where I've wanted to be like

905
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:27,759
Speaker 2: I finally feel like this is something that doing this

906
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 2: for athletes, that's where I really feel like I shine

907
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 2: a lot. I'm just understanding the athlete POV and understanding

908
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 2: the space for my experience and being able to plan content,

909
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:45,320
Speaker 2: strategize around content, and execute that content and.

910
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:47,960
Speaker 1: Have the overall broader brand vision.

911
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 2: Like it's just yeah, just kind of exercising all my

912
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 2: little multi hyphenet muscles with this particular gig.

913
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 4: I love all the little multi hyphenitt muscles. You say,

914
00:43:57,200 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 4: the opportunity just kind of came about.

915
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 1: I did not just come about.

916
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:05,359
Speaker 4: Okay, so why don't we actually talk about Let's talk

917
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:05,719
Speaker 4: about that.

918
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 1: Let's talk about the laying the bricks.

919
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 2: I think this is something again it goes back to

920
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:10,839
Speaker 2: like the people part of just.

921
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 1: Doing things right.

922
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 2: And I think the first I don't necessarily remember like

923
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 2: the first interaction I had with Stewie, but it's like

924
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:21,319
Speaker 2: I think there's there's twofold of it, of like her

925
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:26,440
Speaker 2: agency Wasserman having been aware of me and been able

926
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 2: to like know what my work was at together, what

927
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:31,800
Speaker 2: my work was at Player's Tribune, like where my talent

928
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:34,319
Speaker 2: level was at, and then it was Stewie I think

929
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:39,040
Speaker 2: she's always been so good at identifying like just people

930
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:42,440
Speaker 2: who were doing things or who are contributing to the space,

931
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 2: contributing to the cause, Like she's always been able to

932
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:47,359
Speaker 2: do that, and I think I was trying to even

933
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 2: before coming here. I was like, how did we how

934
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:51,279
Speaker 2: do we meet? I don't even understand. And I think

935
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:53,359
Speaker 2: it was when I was at Player's Tribune. My job

936
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 2: was not photo, but I took every opportunity to use

937
00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:59,759
Speaker 2: the access they could give through getting credentialed to like

938
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:01,399
Speaker 2: shoots so many sports, and.

939
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:03,400
Speaker 1: That one of them was WNBA.

940
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 2: When they Liberty played at MSG Seattle Storm, where Stewie

941
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 2: was at at the time, came. I took some pictures

942
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:12,239
Speaker 2: of Stewie tag you're on Instagram.

943
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:14,360
Speaker 1: She shared them like I think.

944
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 2: I think that's kind of where it all started. And

945
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:20,360
Speaker 2: then we ended up working together on different projects. But

946
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 2: it's like there was this level of trust of like, Okay,

947
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:27,360
Speaker 2: I know Emma's going to do a great job in

948
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 2: that she has her mind in the right place around

949
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 2: how to think about these things and has enough awareness

950
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:35,560
Speaker 2: in the industry of what's going on to help and so.

951
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:40,360
Speaker 1: It was years in the making. Okay, which mark story short,

952
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 1: it did not just come to be.

953
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:46,280
Speaker 2: It was a lot of like deposits made that right

954
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 2: now is when it chose to kind of become something,

955
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:52,360
Speaker 2: which is a lesson.

956
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 3: A lesson, Yeah, a lot of deposits made.

957
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:56,880
Speaker 4: Before we sat down today, you and I were wrapping

958
00:45:56,960 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 4: a little bit about the landscape of the space you're in.

959
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 4: You go to either a WNBA game or you step

960
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 4: into so many of the other sports that you have

961
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:09,279
Speaker 4: the opportunity to shoot with those credentials that players tribune

962
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:14,240
Speaker 4: and you are one of a small pool of women

963
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 4: that are shooting the sports. Let's talk about that. Let's

964
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:20,400
Speaker 4: talk about how that makes you feel. And if you

965
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:22,439
Speaker 4: see that changing moving forward.

966
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:25,960
Speaker 2: I think, first, yes, it is changing. It's changing before

967
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:28,840
Speaker 2: our eyes. It's the same thing though with women's sports

968
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 2: in general, where it's like, hey, we can celebrate our growth,

969
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:34,719
Speaker 2: we can celebrate what's been changing, but there's work to

970
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:36,759
Speaker 2: be done and we're still not there yet. And I

971
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 2: think that a lot of the sort of thematics you

972
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:43,400
Speaker 2: see in women's sports and just sort of fighting for

973
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:48,960
Speaker 2: equitable coverage, equitable pay, all of that that in itself

974
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:52,840
Speaker 2: manifest in the creative and photography industry where it's like

975
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 2: sports has always been this like boys club and it's

976
00:46:57,560 --> 00:47:01,919
Speaker 2: like men own sports. Women are given permission to exist there,

977
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 2: and it's I think for photography it's like growing up

978
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:08,880
Speaker 2: like even when I started my sort of creative journey,

979
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 2: there wasn't necessarily like a professional women's photographer in sports

980
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:16,360
Speaker 2: that I was like, oh, like I was following a

981
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 2: lot of photographers and they were all men, but it

982
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:21,319
Speaker 2: was like I was just soaking up all their work.

983
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:24,319
Speaker 2: And then the whole argument too, is like the work

984
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:27,879
Speaker 2: isn't not good, it's just that there just never has

985
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 2: been like intentional space for women in it, and the

986
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 2: barrier to entry has always just been.

987
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:34,920
Speaker 1: Tough.

988
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:37,960
Speaker 2: And I speak to like my experience even at Texas Football,

989
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 2: like I was privy to this information, Like I don't

990
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:42,920
Speaker 2: necessarily know if I should have been privy to it,

991
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:45,640
Speaker 2: but it was like before I got hired, they were like,

992
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:47,720
Speaker 2: can we trust her around the boys?

993
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:50,840
Speaker 1: And I was like, that's an interesting question.

994
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 2: Well, first of all, you're good, I'm gay, but like

995
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:57,360
Speaker 2: also it's like that's the concern, it's can we trust

996
00:47:57,440 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 2: her to be around all these football players?

997
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:01,799
Speaker 1: And it's like that in.

998
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 2: Itself was my experience with like entering the space and

999
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:08,160
Speaker 2: existing in a male dominated space. But it's like a

1000
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 2: lot of photographers, a lot of other women photographers and creatives.

1001
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:13,799
Speaker 2: It's like you go on the sideline, you show up,

1002
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:18,480
Speaker 2: you're not given the same respect from like legacy photographers

1003
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:22,439
Speaker 2: or who are like predominantly older white men, right, And

1004
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:26,120
Speaker 2: it's just kind of like, oh wow, that's I have

1005
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:28,799
Speaker 2: friends who are like always received comments like oh that

1006
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:31,719
Speaker 2: camera looks heavy for you, or like you're just like

1007
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:35,479
Speaker 2: not given the space to occupy, And it's yeah, God,

1008
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:38,759
Speaker 2: it's getting better, but it's got to change because I

1009
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:41,719
Speaker 2: think just it's kind of the same way in terms

1010
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:45,960
Speaker 2: of the coverage of women's sports, why it's been so

1011
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:49,200
Speaker 2: low is because it's just like there hasn't been an investment.

1012
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:51,200
Speaker 1: There hasn't be an opportunity. We're seeing that now and

1013
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:51,879
Speaker 1: we're seeing all.

1014
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:54,759
Speaker 2: That payoff, but it's like for photography, it's like women

1015
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:57,239
Speaker 2: just haven't it's always been a boys club.

1016
00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:01,360
Speaker 4: And so knowing that it's always been a boys club,

1017
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 4: when you step into a space, now, do you still

1018
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:07,399
Speaker 4: feel any sort of way by showing up there?

1019
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:09,879
Speaker 3: Do you still feel like people have things to.

1020
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 4: Say to you, or are you more in a place

1021
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:13,799
Speaker 4: of like ownership of what you have to bring to

1022
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:14,240
Speaker 4: the table.

1023
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:16,160
Speaker 1: I definitely am a place of ownership.

1024
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:21,359
Speaker 2: I'm also in a place where I don't care if

1025
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:24,040
Speaker 2: you want to like doubt me or like question my

1026
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:27,120
Speaker 2: credential or whatever, because I know what I can create,

1027
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:30,279
Speaker 2: and I know like what I have created. So I

1028
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:33,120
Speaker 2: definitely kind of got over the hump that I do

1029
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 2: think the problem is is there's so many women stuck

1030
00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:38,279
Speaker 2: on the other side of that hump, where it's kind

1031
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:40,840
Speaker 2: of like they haven't been given the opportunity of space

1032
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:43,279
Speaker 2: to show their work, to show that they belong. I

1033
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:44,680
Speaker 2: take a lot of pride in it now, and I'm

1034
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 2: trying to make sure I open the door for others.

1035
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:48,640
Speaker 1: I think for me that matters.

1036
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:51,520
Speaker 2: And it's like the number of I think it's like

1037
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:54,480
Speaker 2: thirty two percent of like sports photographers or women like

1038
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:56,520
Speaker 2: I'm not necessarily sure where they got the number from,

1039
00:49:56,520 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 2: but I don't.

1040
00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:01,239
Speaker 1: Thinking about that doubt it at all. Again, it's legacy,

1041
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:03,040
Speaker 1: like very.

1042
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:06,360
Speaker 2: Much like older white men, and I can there's a

1043
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:09,080
Speaker 2: lot of reasons and layers why that exists that way.

1044
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:11,319
Speaker 2: I don't want to spend necessarily our time on that.

1045
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:14,560
Speaker 2: But I think for me, I feel an ownership and

1046
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:16,840
Speaker 2: a pride to it where it's like I am in

1047
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:19,640
Speaker 2: a position where I can open that door for other people.

1048
00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:22,759
Speaker 2: And I think part of the yes, there's a big

1049
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:26,160
Speaker 2: disparity in terms of men and women, but even like

1050
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:29,560
Speaker 2: in total, like that percentage of women, there's like a

1051
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:32,359
Speaker 2: severe lack of black and brown women like of representation,

1052
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:35,439
Speaker 2: and like that's a whole nother factor to that. And

1053
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 2: for me, it's like especially get together when it's like, oh,

1054
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 2: I'm building out what our original content is, Like I

1055
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:44,440
Speaker 2: am one person. I can't make it all, Like I

1056
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:47,200
Speaker 2: have to leverage and get hire people to make it.

1057
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:51,799
Speaker 2: Like my biggest emphasis was women. I'm hiring women, and

1058
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:54,160
Speaker 2: I'm hiring like black and brown women because also our

1059
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:56,480
Speaker 2: coverage and the content we show is going to be

1060
00:50:56,600 --> 00:51:00,600
Speaker 2: incredibly diverse. So the opportunity I can have to if

1061
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:04,839
Speaker 2: we're shooting with a black woman, my emphasis is I'm

1062
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:07,040
Speaker 2: hiring an other black women to shoot with her, because

1063
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:10,840
Speaker 2: it's just like you you get there's just such a

1064
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:14,520
Speaker 2: different understanding of when someone identifies with you and understands

1065
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:16,480
Speaker 2: like cultural context, and it's not to say that if

1066
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:19,560
Speaker 2: you're white you can't understand that, but it's like when

1067
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:21,719
Speaker 2: you have the ability to be intentional and to have

1068
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:23,759
Speaker 2: that work out like that was a big emphasis for

1069
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:25,480
Speaker 2: me and it still is. Where it's like I care

1070
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:29,000
Speaker 2: deeply about, like ifever I can source creatives for things,

1071
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:32,160
Speaker 2: or I can recommend people. I'm intentional about making sure

1072
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:34,759
Speaker 2: that I'm doing my part to at least try to

1073
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:36,400
Speaker 2: move it forward.

1074
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:38,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I think that's important.

1075
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:39,759
Speaker 4: I mean, we hear it all the time in so

1076
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:43,480
Speaker 4: many different industries what have you, that in order to

1077
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 4: be her, you need to see her. And so it

1078
00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:48,120
Speaker 4: is a really cool opportunity when you take a step

1079
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:50,319
Speaker 4: back to be able to say, like, not only am

1080
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:52,359
Speaker 4: I someone that's at the forefront of trying to lay

1081
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:54,840
Speaker 4: this foundation for other folks, but how great is it

1082
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:57,520
Speaker 4: that I then have the opportunity to open the door

1083
00:51:57,560 --> 00:51:59,719
Speaker 4: for women that may not have felt comfortable in this

1084
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:04,400
Speaker 4: space previously. You know, I have been working with Lauren

1085
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:06,960
Speaker 4: for a really long time, and I feel like it

1086
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:12,200
Speaker 4: is a completely different opportunity when I get to go

1087
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:14,799
Speaker 4: on projects and go on set and trust in her

1088
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:17,279
Speaker 4: that she knows what I'm looking for because we have

1089
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:20,840
Speaker 4: a shared lived experience. So to what you're saying about

1090
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:24,200
Speaker 4: wanting to create that space for black and brown creatives

1091
00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:27,960
Speaker 4: to then take care of other black and brown individuals,

1092
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:31,680
Speaker 4: it's a no brainer in that that will then give

1093
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:35,279
Speaker 4: you the best quality content possible. You also said it's

1094
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:37,319
Speaker 4: not that someone that may not be the same skin

1095
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:40,080
Speaker 4: color can't provide great content. I totally agree with you

1096
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:43,520
Speaker 4: on that. But if you have the opportunity to do better,

1097
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:49,440
Speaker 4: do better, yes, period, period, period. Okay, woman photographers, we

1098
00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:52,280
Speaker 4: need more of them, and then create some space. Stop

1099
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:55,080
Speaker 4: having such an ego. That's basically the summary of the

1100
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:59,799
Speaker 4: last five minutes. As you look forward now, aside from

1101
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:01,560
Speaker 4: your work with Stewie, what else excites you?

1102
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:02,520
Speaker 3: What else is on the radar?

1103
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:05,880
Speaker 2: I just have so many ideas, and I think that's

1104
00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:08,240
Speaker 2: hard where you're like, Okay, where do I start?

1105
00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:09,240
Speaker 1: What can I do? First?

1106
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:11,560
Speaker 2: I think for me, I just I really like I

1107
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:13,320
Speaker 2: want to grow what I'm doing with Stewie.

1108
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:15,400
Speaker 1: I want to be I want to have more involvement.

1109
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:19,080
Speaker 2: I want to She started a league with the FISA

1110
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:22,160
Speaker 2: Collier Unrivaled, which is a three on three that's going

1111
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:25,440
Speaker 2: to be in the winter I'm stoked for that. I'm

1112
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:29,120
Speaker 2: hoping I can kind of contribute to that. That's exciting.

1113
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:32,160
Speaker 2: That's on the horizon. I want to do a photo

1114
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:34,759
Speaker 2: book of all my basketball courts. I want to I

1115
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:37,480
Speaker 2: hosted a gallery for my birthday. I want to do more.

1116
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:38,359
Speaker 1: I want to.

1117
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:41,960
Speaker 2: Figure out how I have a women's basketball community that

1118
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:44,440
Speaker 2: we it's called Buckets and Brunch. I'm also trying to

1119
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:47,479
Speaker 2: figure out how to just to continue to pour into

1120
00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:50,840
Speaker 2: that and give those women who are also my friends,

1121
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:53,440
Speaker 2: like just cool opportunities to work with brands and just

1122
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:57,000
Speaker 2: to have some fun. I'm also excited I have a

1123
00:53:57,040 --> 00:54:00,719
Speaker 2: partnership with Celsius now, which is okay, which is I'm like.

1124
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:06,160
Speaker 3: Wait me, why why you'll tell us? Why you am?

1125
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:10,080
Speaker 2: I think for me what I like, they're what when

1126
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:12,440
Speaker 2: I was telling Lauren this, like what's cool is I

1127
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:15,600
Speaker 2: didn't reach out at all, Like I did not go

1128
00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:18,080
Speaker 2: after this where I think and you can relate, like

1129
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:21,080
Speaker 2: sometimes we have to like go prove to people like hey,

1130
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:23,480
Speaker 2: this is here's my value, here's why you should do this.

1131
00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:25,840
Speaker 2: And I think for Celsius, it was like just completely

1132
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:28,880
Speaker 2: like them coming to me of going they they have

1133
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:31,600
Speaker 2: a roster of athletes, like many like brands do of

1134
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:35,000
Speaker 2: who their endorsers are, but they want they're putting an

1135
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:38,239
Speaker 2: emphasis on how can we within the sports space. You

1136
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:40,680
Speaker 2: have the athletes, yes, but you also have these creatives

1137
00:54:40,719 --> 00:54:44,560
Speaker 2: who harness like so much power. And I think for them,

1138
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:49,120
Speaker 2: they wanted to find someone who had credibility in the space,

1139
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:51,520
Speaker 2: kind of had a lot of work under their belt,

1140
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:55,240
Speaker 2: like interacted with athletes and had that mutual respect. And

1141
00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:58,640
Speaker 2: they asked around and my name came up and it

1142
00:54:58,719 --> 00:55:02,480
Speaker 2: was like that to me, I was like, that's cool.

1143
00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:04,839
Speaker 4: Like when your name comes up in rooms that you're

1144
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:07,880
Speaker 4: not in people to say about you, it means that

1145
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:08,879
Speaker 4: you're doing right.

1146
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:11,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think for me, I was like, I

1147
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:14,839
Speaker 2: mean I know that, like I definitely have respect out there,

1148
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:17,000
Speaker 2: but to like for me to be the person that

1149
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:21,160
Speaker 2: was recommended by multiple people like and so it kind

1150
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:24,080
Speaker 2: of just like conversations started happening. We figured out like

1151
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:26,759
Speaker 2: the structure of the deal, and what's cool about it

1152
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:29,440
Speaker 2: is I'll get to like they have a creative partner

1153
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:31,560
Speaker 2: in meet where like I'll get to work and shoot

1154
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:34,000
Speaker 2: with some Celsius athletes and then all the content I

1155
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:36,360
Speaker 2: obviously create for them, like it's coming from a creator

1156
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:39,399
Speaker 2: mindset and like an athlete mindset, where it's like it's

1157
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:42,080
Speaker 2: smart for them, I think because you're getting like really

1158
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:45,160
Speaker 2: good content out of like a brand ambassador, and so

1159
00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:47,440
Speaker 2: it's like, yeah, I'm excited.

1160
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:49,720
Speaker 1: It's crazy. I like it just started.

1161
00:55:49,719 --> 00:55:52,600
Speaker 2: I have no idea what magic will cook up, but

1162
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:53,600
Speaker 2: I know that we will.

1163
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:57,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, geeked, I'm so geeked. You so excited. I'm like

1164
00:55:57,440 --> 00:55:57,840
Speaker 1: you want.

1165
00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:04,680
Speaker 4: Wait, I have a confession. I have only had one

1166
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:06,800
Speaker 4: Celsius flavor. Do you have a favorite flavor that I

1167
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:07,480
Speaker 4: should be trying.

1168
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:10,960
Speaker 1: They just release these new like essentials, and there's just

1169
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:14,480
Speaker 1: like dragon Barrier, dragon Fruit one that I'm excited to try.

1170
00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:17,160
Speaker 3: All Right, I'm down. We'll have to have a little selfis.

1171
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:19,760
Speaker 1: There's so many flavorsus crazy.

1172
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:23,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I'm not surprised that they game to you

1173
00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:26,640
Speaker 4: beyond the fact that you clearly have good people that

1174
00:56:26,719 --> 00:56:28,520
Speaker 4: are in the room saying good things about you when

1175
00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:31,600
Speaker 4: you're not there, which is a really special thing. Your creativity,

1176
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:34,520
Speaker 4: your work is so impressive and like I'm just amped

1177
00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:37,759
Speaker 4: to see where this goes, especially because they are sponsoring

1178
00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:41,520
Speaker 4: so many cool events sports et cetera. Now, so to

1179
00:56:41,560 --> 00:56:44,200
Speaker 4: get you on the ground there to have these opportunities.

1180
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:47,400
Speaker 1: They have a partnership with Noah Lyles. I saw that

1181
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:50,520
Speaker 1: fastest man in the world. I'm like, it's just cool.

1182
00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:52,920
Speaker 4: It's like, all right, we love women's sports, but we

1183
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:54,520
Speaker 4: also like to shout at the bestest man.

1184
00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:54,880
Speaker 2: I know.

1185
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:56,560
Speaker 1: I was like when he won that, I was like,

1186
00:56:56,640 --> 00:56:59,160
Speaker 1: that's cool. He's what Celsius respect.

1187
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:02,120
Speaker 3: I'm down here. I want to know.

1188
00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:06,600
Speaker 4: People come to your Instagram page, they see a independent, creative,

1189
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:08,480
Speaker 4: someone who's dope with the photos, a lot of cool

1190
00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:11,560
Speaker 4: basketball courts. But when you're at home and you look

1191
00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:13,719
Speaker 4: in the mirror, what is it that you see looking.

1192
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:15,439
Speaker 1: Back at you World's best dog?

1193
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:18,800
Speaker 3: Mom, Wow, I've got the dog I have met.

1194
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:20,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know.

1195
00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:23,840
Speaker 2: I think for me it's like I never I think

1196
00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:27,200
Speaker 2: it's there's people that you look at my page or

1197
00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:28,520
Speaker 2: you look at my body of work, and you're like

1198
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:31,720
Speaker 2: you have it all figured out, and it's like, I

1199
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:33,040
Speaker 2: think I'm still at I don't know.

1200
00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:36,160
Speaker 1: I don't ever feel like, oh, I've reached it. I've

1201
00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:37,680
Speaker 1: gotten to where I wanted to go.

1202
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:40,560
Speaker 2: I think I see someone who's still just like so

1203
00:57:40,680 --> 00:57:43,640
Speaker 2: ambitious about so many things, and I take sort of

1204
00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:47,320
Speaker 2: signals I've gotten from like success in year one, and

1205
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:50,360
Speaker 2: I see that and I'm like, ooh, if I keep

1206
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:52,960
Speaker 2: at this, like this is gonna be cool. So I

1207
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:55,560
Speaker 2: think for me, I see that I see someone who

1208
00:57:56,560 --> 00:58:00,640
Speaker 2: I struggle with mental health, like I do so to

1209
00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:01,160
Speaker 2: see I see.

1210
00:58:01,160 --> 00:58:02,360
Speaker 1: I don't know, I see so many things.

1211
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:07,480
Speaker 2: I see like a great like partner, dog, mom, like sister,

1212
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:08,520
Speaker 2: child like.

1213
00:58:08,560 --> 00:58:09,160
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1214
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:12,320
Speaker 2: I think there's so many cool aspects. I think it's yeah,

1215
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:14,440
Speaker 2: giving myself grace through it all as well.

1216
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:15,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know.

1217
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:17,760
Speaker 2: I'm excited to see who I continue to become. We're

1218
00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:21,040
Speaker 2: always changing, Like I see someone now I'm I hit thirty.

1219
00:58:21,120 --> 00:58:23,040
Speaker 2: I was so excited to hit thirty because it's just

1220
00:58:23,080 --> 00:58:26,160
Speaker 2: like so cool. I'm so mature, welcome to the club.

1221
00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:28,440
Speaker 2: But it's just like I feel more sure myself and

1222
00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:31,560
Speaker 2: sort of who I'm becoming and how I express myself

1223
00:58:31,640 --> 00:58:34,439
Speaker 2: and how I kind of navigate the world. So yeah,

1224
00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:37,040
Speaker 2: I think it's just cool. I know, I'm proud of myself.

1225
00:58:37,080 --> 00:58:41,640
Speaker 2: I know, like my mom's as long as moms comments

1226
00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:44,280
Speaker 2: on my Instagram feed are cute as hell. She's like's

1227
00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:45,440
Speaker 2: your mama, I love you?

1228
00:58:45,560 --> 00:58:46,120
Speaker 1: Oh my god?

1229
00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:49,160
Speaker 2: Comments are I know she's cute, but it's yeah, I'm

1230
00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:50,040
Speaker 2: proud of where I'm at.

1231
00:58:50,200 --> 00:58:51,240
Speaker 3: I love it well.

1232
00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:54,440
Speaker 4: Speaking of what you spoke about earlier on mental health,

1233
00:58:54,520 --> 00:58:56,560
Speaker 4: right now, you have an opportunity to offer yourself a

1234
00:58:56,560 --> 00:59:00,160
Speaker 4: piece of advice going through the hurdle of navigating your

1235
00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:02,760
Speaker 4: mental health back in college, talking about how it really

1236
00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:04,600
Speaker 4: was a dark place, wishing at times that you could

1237
00:59:04,600 --> 00:59:06,560
Speaker 4: have just twisted your ankle to get out of the

1238
00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:08,360
Speaker 4: thing that you thought that you thought you were supposed

1239
00:59:08,360 --> 00:59:08,880
Speaker 4: to be doing.

1240
00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:12,160
Speaker 3: It was a tough time. Now, knowing what you know now,

1241
00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:15,440
Speaker 3: what advice would you offer yourself during that hurdle moment.

1242
00:59:15,560 --> 00:59:18,720
Speaker 1: Oh, that's hard to give it a singular piece of advice.

1243
00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:19,320
Speaker 1: I think.

1244
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:23,800
Speaker 2: I think for me, it's this notion and this works

1245
00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:27,840
Speaker 2: for the big moments of anxiety, the big moments of darkness,

1246
00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:30,760
Speaker 2: and all the little ones too where it's like it's

1247
00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:35,800
Speaker 2: all temporary, your like current is not like your permanent reality.

1248
00:59:35,840 --> 00:59:38,160
Speaker 2: Where I think for me, that's like been the biggest

1249
00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:41,720
Speaker 2: thing with anxiety of you get that voice that's like, no,

1250
00:59:42,080 --> 00:59:44,440
Speaker 2: you're not going to be okay, and it's like you

1251
00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:47,120
Speaker 2: have to. It's I think it's learning and understanding and

1252
00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:51,440
Speaker 2: embodying like I'm very capable of getting through this, and

1253
00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:54,400
Speaker 2: this is temporary right now, what I feel it doesn't

1254
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:58,240
Speaker 2: like minimize what those feelings are. But yeah, I think

1255
00:59:58,440 --> 01:00:00,840
Speaker 2: it's it's the cliche like it's okay, it's better, but like,

1256
01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:04,840
Speaker 2: truly it's things are temporary, and you have this ability

1257
01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:08,040
Speaker 2: to control and know that, like you can get yourself

1258
01:00:08,080 --> 01:00:10,000
Speaker 2: through it, and you have a community, you have a

1259
01:00:10,080 --> 01:00:14,440
Speaker 2: village to lean on the lowest moments happened like in Austin, Texas,

1260
01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:16,240
Speaker 2: and I never thought I was leaving there and now

1261
01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:19,040
Speaker 2: I'm in Right now, I'm in Paris, but it's like

1262
01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:21,240
Speaker 2: I live in New York City where it's just like

1263
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:24,200
Speaker 2: I don't know, it's just kind of trusting yourself and

1264
01:00:24,240 --> 01:00:28,200
Speaker 2: trusting the deposits you make, and that includes mental health.

1265
01:00:28,280 --> 01:00:31,600
Speaker 2: And so yeah, that wasn't really one sound piece of

1266
01:00:31,600 --> 01:00:32,160
Speaker 2: sage advice.

1267
01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:34,760
Speaker 3: I just wanted all of it.

1268
01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:36,640
Speaker 4: I want all of you, all the good parts, all

1269
01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:38,840
Speaker 4: the bad parts, all the parts. Yeah, I love that.

1270
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:42,920
Speaker 4: And and that sentiment that you are not your thoughts. Yeah,

1271
01:00:43,080 --> 01:00:46,120
Speaker 4: you get to respond to your thoughts and then kind

1272
01:00:46,120 --> 01:00:47,000
Speaker 4: of moving groof from there.

1273
01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:50,320
Speaker 3: M Johnson so happy that we're able to make this happen.

1274
01:00:50,360 --> 01:00:53,960
Speaker 4: For those that don't follow your outrageous work already, where

1275
01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:54,640
Speaker 4: do they find you?

1276
01:00:55,200 --> 01:00:59,560
Speaker 2: Instagram at m dot Johnson. Yeah, that's kind that's kind

1277
01:00:59,560 --> 01:01:00,160
Speaker 2: of where it is.

1278
01:01:00,160 --> 01:01:01,440
Speaker 1: Is great. That's all you need to know.

1279
01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:02,240
Speaker 3: That's all you need to know.

1280
01:01:02,360 --> 01:01:06,200
Speaker 4: I'm over at Hurdle Podcast at Emilah Badi another hurdle conquered.

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Speaker 3: Catch you guys next time