WEBVTT - Season 09 Episode 25: Desert Rain (Pt. 2 of 2)

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<v Speaker 1>final part of season nine, episode twenty five, Desert Rain,

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<v Speaker 1>the Daniel Robinson Story. Detective Larry Biffin from the Buckeye

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<v Speaker 1>Police Department stood in the ravine next to Daniel Robinson's

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<v Speaker 1>crash cheap as the desert sun bared down upon him.

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<v Speaker 1>He thought back to the last text that Daniel had

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<v Speaker 1>sent Caitlin, I'll either see you again or never see

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<v Speaker 1>you again. Everything about his behavior and food prior to

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<v Speaker 1>his disappearance suggested the high possibility that he had meant

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<v Speaker 1>to go missing, maybe even to kill himself. But Biffin's

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<v Speaker 1>head was flooded with questions. Howse his vehicle not seen

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<v Speaker 1>during the numerous searches of the area in the month

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<v Speaker 1>since the young geologist had disappeared, Why had Daniel left

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<v Speaker 1>all his clothes at the crash site, but most of all,

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<v Speaker 1>where was the young man? The detective began by climbing

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<v Speaker 1>the low hill to the east. From there, he could

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<v Speaker 1>just about make out the jeeps faint vehicle tracks showing

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<v Speaker 1>it had driven in from an easterly direction, just as

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<v Speaker 1>you might expect if Daniel had driven it there straight

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<v Speaker 1>after the meeting with his colleague Ken Elliot on June

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<v Speaker 1>twenty third, almost four weeks ago. Up above, a drone

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<v Speaker 1>buzzed as it scanned the area, taking detailed pictures of

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<v Speaker 1>the site. Later, when Biffin examined the photographs, they seemed

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<v Speaker 1>to show that Daniel's jep had left the dirt road

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<v Speaker 1>south of the job site where he'd met Ken, then

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<v Speaker 1>driven up onto a hillside before hurtling down into the ravine.

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<v Speaker 1>It had driven over several bushes in the process that

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<v Speaker 1>were still visibly damaged. The gearbox of the overturned vehicle

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<v Speaker 1>was still in drive when it was found. As the

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<v Speaker 1>day progressed, officers moved in to document the scene, while

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<v Speaker 1>search and rescue teams arrived to search the surrounding area.

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<v Speaker 1>A helicopter was also dispatched to help, along with a

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<v Speaker 1>pack of cadaver docks, but there was no trace of Daniel.

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<v Speaker 1>As some of the search team inspected an area by

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<v Speaker 1>the Hesseampa River, they soon discovered that they were not alone.

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<v Speaker 1>A mountain lion had crested a rise and was cautiously

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<v Speaker 1>studying them. Perhaps a lion had taken Daniel. Some of

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<v Speaker 1>them wandered. The only other information they had to go

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<v Speaker 1>on was the data from the jeep's black box. It

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<v Speaker 1>showed that the vehicle was moving it around thirty miles

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<v Speaker 1>when it hit the dirt at the bottom of the

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<v Speaker 1>ravine and the air bags deployed. The driver's seat belt

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<v Speaker 1>was buckled when the crash occurred, and the ignition was

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<v Speaker 1>cycled forty four times after the crash event. It suggested

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<v Speaker 1>that Daniel had most likely deliberately driven off the dirt

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<v Speaker 1>road in a failed attempt to drive through the ravine

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<v Speaker 1>and up the other side. The jeeps mileage and examinations

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<v Speaker 1>of Daniel's recovered phone revealed more information. There were two

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<v Speaker 1>photos taken of work related logs and equipment at around

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<v Speaker 1>ten past seven that morning, with GPS coordinates showing they

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<v Speaker 1>were taken at a work site near Varado Road, south

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<v Speaker 1>of Interstate ten in the Buckeye area, just west of Phoenix.

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<v Speaker 1>This tallied with the mileage and a credit card purchase

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<v Speaker 1>Daniel made at a shell station around seven a m

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<v Speaker 1>just over a mile from the Verado job site. With

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<v Speaker 1>so much about the crash seeming off, Biffin was beginning

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<v Speaker 1>to wander something. Was it possible that Daniel wasn't even

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<v Speaker 1>driving the car when it crashed? Had the whole thing

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<v Speaker 1>been simply made to look like a crash? Now with

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<v Speaker 1>multiple possible angles to work with, Detective Biffin got in

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<v Speaker 1>touch with some accident reconstruction experts and asked them to

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<v Speaker 1>review the vehicle's data and the crash site. In the meantime,

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<v Speaker 1>he turned his focus to Daniel's phone records. What he

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<v Speaker 1>found looked, for all the world, like a young man

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<v Speaker 1>going through a mental health crisis. After the exchange of

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<v Speaker 1>text messages between Daniel and Caitlin, which ended with her

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<v Speaker 1>telling him that she didn't want to see him again,

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<v Speaker 1>on the afternoon before he went missing, Daniel had texted

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<v Speaker 1>his sister Davisha at four twenty one with the words

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<v Speaker 1>it's an emergency. His sister called him and they spoke

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<v Speaker 1>for over a minute. Then Daniel hung up and replied

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<v Speaker 1>to no further messages from his sister, other family members,

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<v Speaker 1>or friends who tried to call that evening. Next the

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<v Speaker 1>detective found what Daniel had been googling that night. Search

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<v Speaker 1>terms included should I call her? Love is patience? Love

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<v Speaker 1>is something you can't explain? I'm okay to do things

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<v Speaker 1>I hate delete Instagram account explosion. Daniel's phone also contained

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<v Speaker 1>recordings of driving directions that he'd been following the day

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<v Speaker 1>of his disappearance. They showed that he did not go

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<v Speaker 1>directly to meet Ken, but where he had gone exactly

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<v Speaker 1>was a mystery. Meanwhile, private investigator Jeffrey McGrath, who'd been

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<v Speaker 1>hired by Daniel's father David to also work on the case,

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<v Speaker 1>had been making a few discoveries of his own. Daniel's

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<v Speaker 1>family had given McGrath access to his apartment in Tempe,

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<v Speaker 1>and it looked to the investigator that someone had ransacked

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<v Speaker 1>Daniel's closet and accessed his laptop before the police made

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<v Speaker 1>their official search there. After much pleading, David Robinson convinced

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<v Speaker 1>the Tempe Police Department to do some forensics work on

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<v Speaker 1>Daniel's electronics, including his personal laptop and gaming system. Incredibly,

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<v Speaker 1>they found that someone had indeed looked up Daniel's search

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<v Speaker 1>history and been fooling around on the computer. As they

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<v Speaker 1>put it, McGrath was also troubled by the downloaded data

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<v Speaker 1>from Daniel's jeep. He claimed to find traces of red

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<v Speaker 1>paint from a different vehicle at one of the areas

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<v Speaker 1>of damage on the jeep. Even more suspicious was the

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<v Speaker 1>vehicle lock, which appeared to show that the jeep had

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<v Speaker 1>traveled some eleven miles after an initial crash event. McGrath

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<v Speaker 1>concluded that not all of the jeep's damage was consider

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<v Speaker 1>distant with the crash scene, but rather pointed to the

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<v Speaker 1>crash having been staged. Police Detective Biffin, on the other hand,

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<v Speaker 1>was adamant they needed to wait for the results of

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<v Speaker 1>the forensic examination from crash reconstruction experts before coming to

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<v Speaker 1>any conclusions, but he did follow up on another of

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<v Speaker 1>the pi's suggestions that he interview a friend of Daniels

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<v Speaker 1>called Roger, who also worked at Matrix New World. As

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<v Speaker 1>Detective Biffin interviewed Roger, it appeared that he knew Daniel

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<v Speaker 1>well and had been a good friend to him. As

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<v Speaker 1>Roger explained, the geologist had stayed with him for about

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<v Speaker 1>a month when he first moved to Phoenix. They had

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<v Speaker 1>a mutual interest in computer gaming and both loved basketball,

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<v Speaker 1>often meeting up to watch games together. During the week

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<v Speaker 1>before Daniel disappeared, Roger's father had died and he'd been

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<v Speaker 1>absent from work for a few days. When he returned,

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<v Speaker 1>he was shocked at the change that he saw in

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<v Speaker 1>his friend. Not only had he cut his hair very short,

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<v Speaker 1>but instead of his normally friendly, chatty manner, Daniel was

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<v Speaker 1>curt and irritable with him. At one point, Roger suggested

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<v Speaker 1>they go and get some food together. Over breakfast, Daniel

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<v Speaker 1>let slip that there was a problem with a girl

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<v Speaker 1>who didn't know he existed, as Roger put it. He

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<v Speaker 1>then asked Roger if he believed in miracles, and also

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<v Speaker 1>said something about getting rid of his ego, because ego

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<v Speaker 1>is bad, he said. When Roger reassured his friend that

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<v Speaker 1>he was just confident, not egotistical, Daniel replied oddly that

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<v Speaker 1>he had to get rid of his story. This confused Roger,

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<v Speaker 1>since previously Daniel had been proud of who he was

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<v Speaker 1>and where he came from. Back at work, a short

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<v Speaker 1>time later, Daniel left the office without saying goodbye. The

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<v Speaker 1>following day, Roger and Daniel went to breakfast again. Daniel

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<v Speaker 1>asked Roger straight out, what if there was a girl

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<v Speaker 1>you liked but you couldn't have her. Roger said They

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<v Speaker 1>talked about the issue some more, but he got the

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<v Speaker 1>feeling that Daniel wasn't being wholly honest with him. He

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<v Speaker 1>seemed to believe that he had to completely change himself

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<v Speaker 1>to get the girl again. Once back at the office,

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<v Speaker 1>but thoroughly preoccupied, Daniel left without saying another word. After

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<v Speaker 1>speaking to Roger, Detective Biffin remembered that Caitlin had recommended

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<v Speaker 1>a podcast to Daniel shortly before he disappeared. Looking back

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<v Speaker 1>into Daniel's phone records, he eventually located the link that

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<v Speaker 1>Caitlyn had sent him for it. It took him to

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<v Speaker 1>a podcast by the famous spiritual teacher Eckhart Toll and

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<v Speaker 1>an episode titled Transcending Our Stories. In it, Toll says

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<v Speaker 1>we all have a tendency to manufacture stories about ourselves

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<v Speaker 1>and others, often fueled by a desperate need to be

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<v Speaker 1>right and to make others wrong. Toll advises that we

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<v Speaker 1>can learn to shift our inner narrative and release the

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<v Speaker 1>ego in order to better align ourselves with the peace

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<v Speaker 1>of the present moment. It was clear that the message

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<v Speaker 1>in the podcast aligned closely with things Daniel had said

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<v Speaker 1>to both Roger and his sister. But if Daniel had

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<v Speaker 1>indeed intended to commit suicide, surely that couldn't have been

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<v Speaker 1>enough to drive him to do it. As September twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty one, rolled by police and volunteer groups led by

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<v Speaker 1>Daniel's father continued to search for any sign of Daniel

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<v Speaker 1>out in the desert beyond the White Tank Mountains just

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<v Speaker 1>west of Phoenix. On the twenty eighth of September, another

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<v Speaker 1>pack of cadaver dogs were out working by the Hessiampa

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<v Speaker 1>River when one of them suddenly became interested in one

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<v Speaker 1>of the large bushes close to the riverbank. It appeared

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<v Speaker 1>to pick up a scent that led it toward the

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<v Speaker 1>middle of the dry river bed, then frustratingly lost it

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<v Speaker 1>soon after. On hearing the news, Detective Biffin wondered if

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<v Speaker 1>Daniel's body was somewhere out in the desert where its

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<v Speaker 1>scent could not be detected. As it happened, there were

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<v Speaker 1>two mine shafts about eight miles away for where Daniels

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<v Speaker 1>crashed cheap had been found. Both were thoroughly searched for

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<v Speaker 1>any sign of the missing man, but again the search

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<v Speaker 1>teams came up empty handed. Around the same time, a

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<v Speaker 1>search volunteer was inspecting an area of desert just west

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<v Speaker 1>of where the jeep crashed when they saw an odd

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<v Speaker 1>looking stone partially buried in the dry earth. Moving closer,

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<v Speaker 1>they realized with a jolt that it was in fact

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<v Speaker 1>a human skull, along with some other bone fragments. However,

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<v Speaker 1>when analyzed, they were found to belong to two other

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<v Speaker 1>people who'd been missing for even longer than Daniel. In

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<v Speaker 1>mid October two thousand and one, Detective Larry Biffin received

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<v Speaker 1>what he'd been waiting for from the accident investigator, a

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<v Speaker 1>detailed record from Daniel's jeep in its final moments. It

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<v Speaker 1>revealed that the jeep had made a series of small

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<v Speaker 1>turns just before it drove into the ravine. Half a

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<v Speaker 1>second before the crash. The report continued, the driver increased

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<v Speaker 1>the accelerator pedal right before impact, which could indicate the

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<v Speaker 1>attempt to drive up the other side of the ravine.

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<v Speaker 1>Doing so with the wheels turned to the right could

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<v Speaker 1>be a factor in causing the jeep to roll over

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<v Speaker 1>to the left. The jeep shows no evidence of having

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<v Speaker 1>been involved in another collision. The apparent anomaly of eleven

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<v Speaker 1>miles between the car's computer and the miley's display is

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<v Speaker 1>not unusual. Such a discrepancy has been found in other

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<v Speaker 1>crash reconstructions and is not significant in this case. Based

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<v Speaker 1>on the available evidence, it is my opinion the jeep

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<v Speaker 1>had been in only one recorded event. That event is

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<v Speaker 1>the crash at the bottom of the ravine. There is

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<v Speaker 1>insufficient evidence to connect the jeep to another crash, will

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<v Speaker 1>support a theory that the jeep crash was staged. The

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<v Speaker 1>driver of the jeep drove it into the ravine, rolled

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<v Speaker 1>and being unable to proceed further, abandoned the jeep as

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<v Speaker 1>it lay. The report appeared to discredit private investigator Jeffrey

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<v Speaker 1>McGrath's theory that the jeep had been involved in two

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<v Speaker 1>crashes that day, making it unlikely that the crash was faked.

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<v Speaker 1>Daniel's phone had stopped tracking at ten oh five that morning.

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<v Speaker 1>Its last recorded position was in the ravine, exactly where

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<v Speaker 1>the jeep and phone were found. Then, in November, a

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<v Speaker 1>new lead emerged. Private investigator McGrath told Detective Biffin that

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<v Speaker 1>he'd been contacted by a federal worker named Billy, who

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<v Speaker 1>claimed to have encountered Daniel with his jeep out in

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<v Speaker 1>the desert on the morning that Daniel went missing. So

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<v Speaker 1>Biffin gave Billy a call. The man claimed that he

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<v Speaker 1>was an it worker for the Inter Tribal Marijuana Commission

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<v Speaker 1>and sometimes also worked in an official capacity on marijuana

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<v Speaker 1>enforcement operations. Billy sent the detective a map and photos

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<v Speaker 1>of the place where he claimed this encounter with Daniel

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<v Speaker 1>had occurred. When Biffin checked the coordinates, it was half

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<v Speaker 1>a mile from where daniels jeep was found. As Billy

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<v Speaker 1>went on to explain to Detective Biffin, he'd been driving

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<v Speaker 1>the dirt roads looking for a place to shoot targets

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<v Speaker 1>with his air rifle when around eleven thirty am he

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<v Speaker 1>claimed to come upon a jeep and a man matching

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<v Speaker 1>Daniel's description. Billy said he was wearing a bright reflective

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<v Speaker 1>shirt and boots at the time and was in the

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<v Speaker 1>process of moving things from his back seat to the

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<v Speaker 1>rear hatch. Billy said he immediately noticed that the man

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<v Speaker 1>was missing part of his arm and stopped to ask

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<v Speaker 1>if he needed help, after which they had a brief chat.

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<v Speaker 1>Billy alleged that Daniel told him something about how he

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<v Speaker 1>was doing some work in the area and pointed to

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<v Speaker 1>the north. Around one pm, Billy claimed to be looking

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<v Speaker 1>through his rifle scope further southeast along a ridge line

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<v Speaker 1>when he saw a vehicle similar to Daniel's driving away

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<v Speaker 1>about three miles further southwest from where he'd last seen it.

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<v Speaker 1>Billy said he didn't watch a lot of the news

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<v Speaker 1>and had only just heard about the search for Daniel,

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<v Speaker 1>hence why he was getting in touch with police now.

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<v Speaker 1>Billy's story was immediately suspicious. For a start, all the

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<v Speaker 1>available evidence pointed to Daniel's jeep having already crashed in

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<v Speaker 1>the ravine two hours earlier that when Billy claimed to

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<v Speaker 1>have met Daniel. Detective Biffin and a colleague drove to

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<v Speaker 1>the site where the encounter between Billy and Daniel supposedly happened.

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<v Speaker 1>They didn't find any indication that Daniel had been there,

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<v Speaker 1>but what they did find was a fenced gated private

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<v Speaker 1>property containing a number of abandoned trailers, RVs and other

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<v Speaker 1>heavy equipment within walking distance of the jeep crash site,

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<v Speaker 1>but there was no sign of Daniel or anything to

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<v Speaker 1>suggest that he'd ever been there. In late November, private

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<v Speaker 1>investigator McGrath and Detective Biffin decided to pull all their

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<v Speaker 1>information to see if they could finally crack the case together.

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<v Speaker 1>McGrath revealed that he'd been under strict instructions from Daniel's

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<v Speaker 1>father to not give any information that he found to

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<v Speaker 1>the police, but now McGrath was ready to share, and

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<v Speaker 1>there were two things that jumped out at Biffin. Daniel's sister, Davisha,

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<v Speaker 1>had told McGrath that the day before Daniel went missing,

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<v Speaker 1>he'd said something about how the family would have to

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<v Speaker 1>get used to him disappearing. McGrath had also learned that

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<v Speaker 1>Daniel wasn't just a casual marijuana smoker, but a frequent user,

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<v Speaker 1>and often made random drives to California to pick up weed.

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<v Speaker 1>McGrath wondered if the morning that Daniel had met Ken

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<v Speaker 1>at the job site, he had accidentally ingested PCP. PCP

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<v Speaker 1>or fen cyclidine, is a highly addictive, mind altering hallucinogen

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<v Speaker 1>developed in the nineteen fifties. Its use as a surgical

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<v Speaker 1>anesthetic was discontinued when it was found to cause severe

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<v Speaker 1>postoperative delusions. Illegally sold on the streets as a powder

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<v Speaker 1>or liquid, known variously as angel dust, rocket fuel, or

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<v Speaker 1>embalming fluid, it's most often applied to mint leaves or

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<v Speaker 1>marijuana and smoked with notoriously unpredictable effects, including distorted vision, hearing,

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<v Speaker 1>and time perception. It can trigger paranoia or a false

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<v Speaker 1>sense of immense strength and invincibility, and it can cause

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<v Speaker 1>users to feel separated from their own bodies and their surroundings.

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<v Speaker 1>Taking PCP would go a long way to explaining why

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<v Speaker 1>Daniel had acted so strangely in the hours prior to

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<v Speaker 1>his disappearing, crashing his jeep then taking off his clothes

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<v Speaker 1>in the middle of the desert. McGrath concluded that he

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<v Speaker 1>didn't believe that Daniel was still out there chilling. He

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<v Speaker 1>thought that Daniel was in the desert, but that he

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<v Speaker 1>was no longer alive. Just a month later, on New

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<v Speaker 1>Year's Eve twenty twenty one, McGrath contacted Detective Biffin again.

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<v Speaker 1>He told him that he'd resigned from the case. He

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<v Speaker 1>felt that his client, David Robinson's insistence to not share

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<v Speaker 1>information with the police was counterproductive to finding Daniel. It

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<v Speaker 1>was one of multiple reasons for his decision, he said,

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<v Speaker 1>and it had one last piece of advice for Biffin

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<v Speaker 1>to check the background of the witness, Billy. When Biffin

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<v Speaker 1>did exactly that in twenty twenty two, he was startled

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<v Speaker 1>by what he found. It turned out that Billy had

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<v Speaker 1>participated in many of the volunteer searches that David Robinson

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<v Speaker 1>had organized, and that he was not all that he

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<v Speaker 1>claimed to be. It turned out the so called Billy

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<v Speaker 1>had multiple felony convictions, almost all marijuana related, and he'd

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<v Speaker 1>served time in prison. The Intertribal Marijuana Commission also revealed

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<v Speaker 1>that Billy was not an IT worker for them. He

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<v Speaker 1>was a member of their enforcement team in Nevada and Utah,

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<v Speaker 1>but not in Arizona. Next, some members of the volunteer

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<v Speaker 1>search teams told Biffin they'd found Billy's behavior suspicious while

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<v Speaker 1>out on searches. They'd noticed that whenever word went around

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<v Speaker 1>that the police were on their way, he'd always find

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<v Speaker 1>an excuse to suddenly leave. Detective Biffin made a note

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<v Speaker 1>to have another chat with Billy in person. In April

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty two, Detective Biffin asked Daniel's father, David, for

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<v Speaker 1>access to Daniel's personal laptop, which was now in David's possession,

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<v Speaker 1>but Robinson refused unless the police made the investigation a

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<v Speaker 1>criminal case and brought in the FBI, convinced that his

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<v Speaker 1>son had been the victim of foul play. However, when

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<v Speaker 1>Detective Biffin actually presented his findings to the FBI. They

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<v Speaker 1>complimented him on an extremely thorough investigation, concluding that there

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<v Speaker 1>was no reason for them to get involved. Understandably distraught

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<v Speaker 1>and frustrated with the lack of success in finding his son,

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<v Speaker 1>David Robinson offered a ten thousand dollars reward for any

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<v Speaker 1>information that led to Daniel being found, and, as so

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<v Speaker 1>often happens when such rewards are promised, reports of Daniel

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<v Speaker 1>being sighted suddenly began to flood in from California, Arizona, Albuquerque,

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<v Speaker 1>and New Mexico, you name it. But each time when

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<v Speaker 1>the police followed up, the person at the center of

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<v Speaker 1>the reports was very obviously not Daniel. On the tenth

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<v Speaker 1>of June twenty twenty two, almost a year after Daniel

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<v Speaker 1>went missing, Detective Biffin finally spoke with Billy again, this

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<v Speaker 1>time in person at Billy's home in Surprise, a suburb

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<v Speaker 1>on the western edge of Phoenix. Once again, Billy repeated

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<v Speaker 1>the details of his story from the previous year, but

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<v Speaker 1>Biffin questioned him on it, since neither his alleged midday

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<v Speaker 1>timing of the encounter or the location tallied with police evidence,

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<v Speaker 1>but Billy stood by his story. The detective asked Billy

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<v Speaker 1>if he might have been motivated to make up his

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<v Speaker 1>account for the potential ward money, but Billy deflected the question.

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<v Speaker 1>Then Biffin asked if Billy had hurt Daniel or had

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<v Speaker 1>anything to do with him going missing or his vehicle,

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<v Speaker 1>but Billy said no. Biffin also asked Billy if he'd

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<v Speaker 1>ever met Daniel before his first supposed encounter with him,

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<v Speaker 1>or whether he'd sold him weed or smoked it with him,

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<v Speaker 1>but again Billy said no. After a while, he seemed

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<v Speaker 1>to backtrack on his original statement, suggesting he might have

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<v Speaker 1>misremembered it slightly, but insisted that he wasn't trying to

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<v Speaker 1>make it up. He even offered to take a lie

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<v Speaker 1>detective test to prove it. Later that day, after Biffin

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<v Speaker 1>had left his home, Billy emailed the detective of a

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<v Speaker 1>trail map showing the route he'd taken that fateful morning

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<v Speaker 1>and the alleged location where he met Daniel. No part

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<v Speaker 1>of Billy's route came closer than half a mile to

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<v Speaker 1>any location where Daniel's jeep had been recorded. When the

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<v Speaker 1>option to take a polygraph test came up in the end,

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<v Speaker 1>Billy refused to do it, as the investigation into Daniel

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<v Speaker 1>Robinson's whereabouts dragged into a second year. Detective Biffin and

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<v Speaker 1>the Buckeye Police Department continued to follow up reported sightings

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<v Speaker 1>of Daniel, but all were to no avail. But Biffin

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't let go of the thought that Billy was hiding something,

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<v Speaker 1>and so on the twenty second of May twenty twenty three,

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<v Speaker 1>perhaps sensing something dangerous about the man, Detective Biffin arranged

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<v Speaker 1>to meet Billy again for another round of questioning, this

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<v Speaker 1>time in a Fry's gas station parking lot in surprise

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<v Speaker 1>for added security. Biffin also didn't go alone, but was

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<v Speaker 1>joined by his colleague, Detective Favella, who was parked in

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<v Speaker 1>an unmarked vehicle nearby to maintain a visual on Billy

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<v Speaker 1>at all times. It was pushing one hundred degrees when

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<v Speaker 1>Billy slid into the passenger seat of Detective Biffin's truck.

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<v Speaker 1>Biffin immediately sensed that the man's demeanor was apologetic. Strangely,

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<v Speaker 1>as soon as he got into the truck, he gave

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<v Speaker 1>the detective a mobile Wi Fi hotspot and a charger

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<v Speaker 1>in case it might be of some use to him,

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<v Speaker 1>perhaps looking to make some kind of amends for refusing

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<v Speaker 1>the lie detector test. This time, when Biffin asked him

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<v Speaker 1>again to describe his alleged encounter with Daniel, everything had changed.

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<v Speaker 1>Having initially described an up close, extended exchange, Billy now

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<v Speaker 1>said that he'd only had a brief, passing encounter with

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<v Speaker 1>the young man, who'd been about thirty feet away from

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<v Speaker 1>him the whole time. Which story is true, demanded Biffin

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<v Speaker 1>with obvious frustration. Why have you inserted yourself into my investigation?

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<v Speaker 1>But Billy was either unwilling or unable to answer the question.

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<v Speaker 1>All he could say was that, however, or whenever it happened,

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<v Speaker 1>he had seen Daniel out in the desert that day.

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<v Speaker 1>For Detective Biffin, it was an agonizing dead end that

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<v Speaker 1>only became more irritating the more he interrogated it. Why

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<v Speaker 1>on earth, as he later pondered in his report, would

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<v Speaker 1>Billy lie about talking to Daniel that day. Since Daniel

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<v Speaker 1>Robinson went missing in June twenty twenty one, his devastated

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<v Speaker 1>father has been consumed with the search for his son.

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<v Speaker 1>He's traveled repeatedly to Arizona, organized desert searches, distributed flyers,

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<v Speaker 1>and gone seventy thousand dollars into debt in the process,

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<v Speaker 1>all in the hope of finding a concrete answer to

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<v Speaker 1>Daniel's whereabouts. There are still so many unanswered questions, and

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<v Speaker 1>so far, to this day, what exactly happened to Daniel

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<v Speaker 1>Robinson remains unexplained. If you have any evidence related to

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<v Speaker 1>this case, please contact Buckeye Police Department on USA area

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