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Speaker 1: final part of season nine, episode twenty five, Desert Rain,
Speaker 1: the Daniel Robinson Story. Detective Larry Biffin from the Buckeye
Speaker 1: Police Department stood in the ravine next to Daniel Robinson's
Speaker 1: crash cheap as the desert sun bared down upon him.
Speaker 1: He thought back to the last text that Daniel had
Speaker 1: sent Caitlin, I'll either see you again or never see
Speaker 1: you again. Everything about his behavior and food prior to
Speaker 1: his disappearance suggested the high possibility that he had meant
Speaker 1: to go missing, maybe even to kill himself. But Biffin's
Speaker 1: head was flooded with questions. Howse his vehicle not seen
Speaker 1: during the numerous searches of the area in the month
Speaker 1: since the young geologist had disappeared, Why had Daniel left
Speaker 1: all his clothes at the crash site, but most of all,
Speaker 1: where was the young man? The detective began by climbing
Speaker 1: the low hill to the east. From there, he could
Speaker 1: just about make out the jeeps faint vehicle tracks showing
Speaker 1: it had driven in from an easterly direction, just as
Speaker 1: you might expect if Daniel had driven it there straight
Speaker 1: after the meeting with his colleague Ken Elliot on June
Speaker 1: twenty third, almost four weeks ago. Up above, a drone
Speaker 1: buzzed as it scanned the area, taking detailed pictures of
Speaker 1: the site. Later, when Biffin examined the photographs, they seemed
Speaker 1: to show that Daniel's jep had left the dirt road
Speaker 1: south of the job site where he'd met Ken, then
Speaker 1: driven up onto a hillside before hurtling down into the ravine.
Speaker 1: It had driven over several bushes in the process that
Speaker 1: were still visibly damaged. The gearbox of the overturned vehicle
Speaker 1: was still in drive when it was found. As the
Speaker 1: day progressed, officers moved in to document the scene, while
Speaker 1: search and rescue teams arrived to search the surrounding area.
Speaker 1: A helicopter was also dispatched to help, along with a
Speaker 1: pack of cadaver docks, but there was no trace of Daniel.
Speaker 1: As some of the search team inspected an area by
Speaker 1: the Hesseampa River, they soon discovered that they were not alone.
Speaker 1: A mountain lion had crested a rise and was cautiously
Speaker 1: studying them. Perhaps a lion had taken Daniel. Some of
Speaker 1: them wandered. The only other information they had to go
Speaker 1: on was the data from the jeep's black box. It
Speaker 1: showed that the vehicle was moving it around thirty miles
Speaker 1: when it hit the dirt at the bottom of the
Speaker 1: ravine and the air bags deployed. The driver's seat belt
Speaker 1: was buckled when the crash occurred, and the ignition was
Speaker 1: cycled forty four times after the crash event. It suggested
Speaker 1: that Daniel had most likely deliberately driven off the dirt
Speaker 1: road in a failed attempt to drive through the ravine
Speaker 1: and up the other side. The jeeps mileage and examinations
Speaker 1: of Daniel's recovered phone revealed more information. There were two
Speaker 1: photos taken of work related logs and equipment at around
Speaker 1: ten past seven that morning, with GPS coordinates showing they
Speaker 1: were taken at a work site near Varado Road, south
Speaker 1: of Interstate ten in the Buckeye area, just west of Phoenix.
Speaker 1: This tallied with the mileage and a credit card purchase
Speaker 1: Daniel made at a shell station around seven a m
Speaker 1: just over a mile from the Verado job site. With
Speaker 1: so much about the crash seeming off, Biffin was beginning
Speaker 1: to wander something. Was it possible that Daniel wasn't even
Speaker 1: driving the car when it crashed? Had the whole thing
Speaker 1: been simply made to look like a crash? Now with
Speaker 1: multiple possible angles to work with, Detective Biffin got in
Speaker 1: touch with some accident reconstruction experts and asked them to
Speaker 1: review the vehicle's data and the crash site. In the meantime,
Speaker 1: he turned his focus to Daniel's phone records. What he
Speaker 1: found looked, for all the world, like a young man
Speaker 1: going through a mental health crisis. After the exchange of
Speaker 1: text messages between Daniel and Caitlin, which ended with her
Speaker 1: telling him that she didn't want to see him again,
Speaker 1: on the afternoon before he went missing, Daniel had texted
Speaker 1: his sister Davisha at four twenty one with the words
Speaker 1: it's an emergency. His sister called him and they spoke
Speaker 1: for over a minute. Then Daniel hung up and replied
Speaker 1: to no further messages from his sister, other family members,
Speaker 1: or friends who tried to call that evening. Next the
Speaker 1: detective found what Daniel had been googling that night. Search
Speaker 1: terms included should I call her? Love is patience? Love
Speaker 1: is something you can't explain? I'm okay to do things
Speaker 1: I hate delete Instagram account explosion. Daniel's phone also contained
Speaker 1: recordings of driving directions that he'd been following the day
Speaker 1: of his disappearance. They showed that he did not go
Speaker 1: directly to meet Ken, but where he had gone exactly
Speaker 1: was a mystery. Meanwhile, private investigator Jeffrey McGrath, who'd been
Speaker 1: hired by Daniel's father David to also work on the case,
Speaker 1: had been making a few discoveries of his own. Daniel's
Speaker 1: family had given McGrath access to his apartment in Tempe,
Speaker 1: and it looked to the investigator that someone had ransacked
Speaker 1: Daniel's closet and accessed his laptop before the police made
Speaker 1: their official search there. After much pleading, David Robinson convinced
Speaker 1: the Tempe Police Department to do some forensics work on
Speaker 1: Daniel's electronics, including his personal laptop and gaming system. Incredibly,
Speaker 1: they found that someone had indeed looked up Daniel's search
Speaker 1: history and been fooling around on the computer. As they
Speaker 1: put it, McGrath was also troubled by the downloaded data
Speaker 1: from Daniel's jeep. He claimed to find traces of red
Speaker 1: paint from a different vehicle at one of the areas
Speaker 1: of damage on the jeep. Even more suspicious was the
Speaker 1: vehicle lock, which appeared to show that the jeep had
Speaker 1: traveled some eleven miles after an initial crash event. McGrath
Speaker 1: concluded that not all of the jeep's damage was consider
Speaker 1: distant with the crash scene, but rather pointed to the
Speaker 1: crash having been staged. Police Detective Biffin, on the other hand,
Speaker 1: was adamant they needed to wait for the results of
Speaker 1: the forensic examination from crash reconstruction experts before coming to
Speaker 1: any conclusions, but he did follow up on another of
Speaker 1: the pi's suggestions that he interview a friend of Daniels
Speaker 1: called Roger, who also worked at Matrix New World. As
Speaker 1: Detective Biffin interviewed Roger, it appeared that he knew Daniel
Speaker 1: well and had been a good friend to him. As
Speaker 1: Roger explained, the geologist had stayed with him for about
Speaker 1: a month when he first moved to Phoenix. They had
Speaker 1: a mutual interest in computer gaming and both loved basketball,
Speaker 1: often meeting up to watch games together. During the week
Speaker 1: before Daniel disappeared, Roger's father had died and he'd been
Speaker 1: absent from work for a few days. When he returned,
Speaker 1: he was shocked at the change that he saw in
Speaker 1: his friend. Not only had he cut his hair very short,
Speaker 1: but instead of his normally friendly, chatty manner, Daniel was
Speaker 1: curt and irritable with him. At one point, Roger suggested
Speaker 1: they go and get some food together. Over breakfast, Daniel
Speaker 1: let slip that there was a problem with a girl
Speaker 1: who didn't know he existed, as Roger put it. He
Speaker 1: then asked Roger if he believed in miracles, and also
Speaker 1: said something about getting rid of his ego, because ego
Speaker 1: is bad, he said. When Roger reassured his friend that
Speaker 1: he was just confident, not egotistical, Daniel replied oddly that
Speaker 1: he had to get rid of his story. This confused Roger,
Speaker 1: since previously Daniel had been proud of who he was
Speaker 1: and where he came from. Back at work, a short
Speaker 1: time later, Daniel left the office without saying goodbye. The
Speaker 1: following day, Roger and Daniel went to breakfast again. Daniel
Speaker 1: asked Roger straight out, what if there was a girl
Speaker 1: you liked but you couldn't have her. Roger said They
Speaker 1: talked about the issue some more, but he got the
Speaker 1: feeling that Daniel wasn't being wholly honest with him. He
Speaker 1: seemed to believe that he had to completely change himself
Speaker 1: to get the girl again. Once back at the office,
Speaker 1: but thoroughly preoccupied, Daniel left without saying another word. After
Speaker 1: speaking to Roger, Detective Biffin remembered that Caitlin had recommended
Speaker 1: a podcast to Daniel shortly before he disappeared. Looking back
Speaker 1: into Daniel's phone records, he eventually located the link that
Speaker 1: Caitlyn had sent him for it. It took him to
Speaker 1: a podcast by the famous spiritual teacher Eckhart Toll and
Speaker 1: an episode titled Transcending Our Stories. In it, Toll says
Speaker 1: we all have a tendency to manufacture stories about ourselves
Speaker 1: and others, often fueled by a desperate need to be
Speaker 1: right and to make others wrong. Toll advises that we
Speaker 1: can learn to shift our inner narrative and release the
Speaker 1: ego in order to better align ourselves with the peace
Speaker 1: of the present moment. It was clear that the message
Speaker 1: in the podcast aligned closely with things Daniel had said
Speaker 1: to both Roger and his sister. But if Daniel had
Speaker 1: indeed intended to commit suicide, surely that couldn't have been
Speaker 1: enough to drive him to do it. As September twenty
Speaker 1: twenty one, rolled by police and volunteer groups led by
Speaker 1: Daniel's father continued to search for any sign of Daniel
Speaker 1: out in the desert beyond the White Tank Mountains just
Speaker 1: west of Phoenix. On the twenty eighth of September, another
Speaker 1: pack of cadaver dogs were out working by the Hessiampa
Speaker 1: River when one of them suddenly became interested in one
Speaker 1: of the large bushes close to the riverbank. It appeared
Speaker 1: to pick up a scent that led it toward the
Speaker 1: middle of the dry river bed, then frustratingly lost it
Speaker 1: soon after. On hearing the news, Detective Biffin wondered if
Speaker 1: Daniel's body was somewhere out in the desert where its
Speaker 1: scent could not be detected. As it happened, there were
Speaker 1: two mine shafts about eight miles away for where Daniels
Speaker 1: crashed cheap had been found. Both were thoroughly searched for
Speaker 1: any sign of the missing man, but again the search
Speaker 1: teams came up empty handed. Around the same time, a
Speaker 1: search volunteer was inspecting an area of desert just west
Speaker 1: of where the jeep crashed when they saw an odd
Speaker 1: looking stone partially buried in the dry earth. Moving closer,
Speaker 1: they realized with a jolt that it was in fact
Speaker 1: a human skull, along with some other bone fragments. However,
Speaker 1: when analyzed, they were found to belong to two other
Speaker 1: people who'd been missing for even longer than Daniel. In
Speaker 1: mid October two thousand and one, Detective Larry Biffin received
Speaker 1: what he'd been waiting for from the accident investigator, a
Speaker 1: detailed record from Daniel's jeep in its final moments. It
Speaker 1: revealed that the jeep had made a series of small
Speaker 1: turns just before it drove into the ravine. Half a
Speaker 1: second before the crash. The report continued, the driver increased
Speaker 1: the accelerator pedal right before impact, which could indicate the
Speaker 1: attempt to drive up the other side of the ravine.
Speaker 1: Doing so with the wheels turned to the right could
Speaker 1: be a factor in causing the jeep to roll over
Speaker 1: to the left. The jeep shows no evidence of having
Speaker 1: been involved in another collision. The apparent anomaly of eleven
Speaker 1: miles between the car's computer and the miley's display is
Speaker 1: not unusual. Such a discrepancy has been found in other
Speaker 1: crash reconstructions and is not significant in this case. Based
Speaker 1: on the available evidence, it is my opinion the jeep
Speaker 1: had been in only one recorded event. That event is
Speaker 1: the crash at the bottom of the ravine. There is
Speaker 1: insufficient evidence to connect the jeep to another crash, will
Speaker 1: support a theory that the jeep crash was staged. The
Speaker 1: driver of the jeep drove it into the ravine, rolled
Speaker 1: and being unable to proceed further, abandoned the jeep as
Speaker 1: it lay. The report appeared to discredit private investigator Jeffrey
Speaker 1: McGrath's theory that the jeep had been involved in two
Speaker 1: crashes that day, making it unlikely that the crash was faked.
Speaker 1: Daniel's phone had stopped tracking at ten oh five that morning.
Speaker 1: Its last recorded position was in the ravine, exactly where
Speaker 1: the jeep and phone were found. Then, in November, a
Speaker 1: new lead emerged. Private investigator McGrath told Detective Biffin that
Speaker 1: he'd been contacted by a federal worker named Billy, who
Speaker 1: claimed to have encountered Daniel with his jeep out in
Speaker 1: the desert on the morning that Daniel went missing. So
Speaker 1: Biffin gave Billy a call. The man claimed that he
Speaker 1: was an it worker for the Inter Tribal Marijuana Commission
Speaker 1: and sometimes also worked in an official capacity on marijuana
Speaker 1: enforcement operations. Billy sent the detective a map and photos
Speaker 1: of the place where he claimed this encounter with Daniel
Speaker 1: had occurred. When Biffin checked the coordinates, it was half
Speaker 1: a mile from where daniels jeep was found. As Billy
Speaker 1: went on to explain to Detective Biffin, he'd been driving
Speaker 1: the dirt roads looking for a place to shoot targets
Speaker 1: with his air rifle when around eleven thirty am he
Speaker 1: claimed to come upon a jeep and a man matching
Speaker 1: Daniel's description. Billy said he was wearing a bright reflective
Speaker 1: shirt and boots at the time and was in the
Speaker 1: process of moving things from his back seat to the
Speaker 1: rear hatch. Billy said he immediately noticed that the man
Speaker 1: was missing part of his arm and stopped to ask
Speaker 1: if he needed help, after which they had a brief chat.
Speaker 1: Billy alleged that Daniel told him something about how he
Speaker 1: was doing some work in the area and pointed to
Speaker 1: the north. Around one pm, Billy claimed to be looking
Speaker 1: through his rifle scope further southeast along a ridge line
Speaker 1: when he saw a vehicle similar to Daniel's driving away
Speaker 1: about three miles further southwest from where he'd last seen it.
Speaker 1: Billy said he didn't watch a lot of the news
Speaker 1: and had only just heard about the search for Daniel,
Speaker 1: hence why he was getting in touch with police now.
Speaker 1: Billy's story was immediately suspicious. For a start, all the
Speaker 1: available evidence pointed to Daniel's jeep having already crashed in
Speaker 1: the ravine two hours earlier that when Billy claimed to
Speaker 1: have met Daniel. Detective Biffin and a colleague drove to
Speaker 1: the site where the encounter between Billy and Daniel supposedly happened.
Speaker 1: They didn't find any indication that Daniel had been there,
Speaker 1: but what they did find was a fenced gated private
Speaker 1: property containing a number of abandoned trailers, RVs and other
Speaker 1: heavy equipment within walking distance of the jeep crash site,
Speaker 1: but there was no sign of Daniel or anything to
Speaker 1: suggest that he'd ever been there. In late November, private
Speaker 1: investigator McGrath and Detective Biffin decided to pull all their
Speaker 1: information to see if they could finally crack the case together.
Speaker 1: McGrath revealed that he'd been under strict instructions from Daniel's
Speaker 1: father to not give any information that he found to
Speaker 1: the police, but now McGrath was ready to share, and
Speaker 1: there were two things that jumped out at Biffin. Daniel's sister, Davisha,
Speaker 1: had told McGrath that the day before Daniel went missing,
Speaker 1: he'd said something about how the family would have to
Speaker 1: get used to him disappearing. McGrath had also learned that
Speaker 1: Daniel wasn't just a casual marijuana smoker, but a frequent user,
Speaker 1: and often made random drives to California to pick up weed.
Speaker 1: McGrath wondered if the morning that Daniel had met Ken
Speaker 1: at the job site, he had accidentally ingested PCP. PCP
Speaker 1: or fen cyclidine, is a highly addictive, mind altering hallucinogen
Speaker 1: developed in the nineteen fifties. Its use as a surgical
Speaker 1: anesthetic was discontinued when it was found to cause severe
Speaker 1: postoperative delusions. Illegally sold on the streets as a powder
Speaker 1: or liquid, known variously as angel dust, rocket fuel, or
Speaker 1: embalming fluid, it's most often applied to mint leaves or
Speaker 1: marijuana and smoked with notoriously unpredictable effects, including distorted vision, hearing,
Speaker 1: and time perception. It can trigger paranoia or a false
Speaker 1: sense of immense strength and invincibility, and it can cause
Speaker 1: users to feel separated from their own bodies and their surroundings.
Speaker 1: Taking PCP would go a long way to explaining why
Speaker 1: Daniel had acted so strangely in the hours prior to
Speaker 1: his disappearing, crashing his jeep then taking off his clothes
Speaker 1: in the middle of the desert. McGrath concluded that he
Speaker 1: didn't believe that Daniel was still out there chilling. He
Speaker 1: thought that Daniel was in the desert, but that he
Speaker 1: was no longer alive. Just a month later, on New
Speaker 1: Year's Eve twenty twenty one, McGrath contacted Detective Biffin again.
Speaker 1: He told him that he'd resigned from the case. He
Speaker 1: felt that his client, David Robinson's insistence to not share
Speaker 1: information with the police was counterproductive to finding Daniel. It
Speaker 1: was one of multiple reasons for his decision, he said,
Speaker 1: and it had one last piece of advice for Biffin
Speaker 1: to check the background of the witness, Billy. When Biffin
Speaker 1: did exactly that in twenty twenty two, he was startled
Speaker 1: by what he found. It turned out that Billy had
Speaker 1: participated in many of the volunteer searches that David Robinson
Speaker 1: had organized, and that he was not all that he
Speaker 1: claimed to be. It turned out the so called Billy
Speaker 1: had multiple felony convictions, almost all marijuana related, and he'd
Speaker 1: served time in prison. The Intertribal Marijuana Commission also revealed
Speaker 1: that Billy was not an IT worker for them. He
Speaker 1: was a member of their enforcement team in Nevada and Utah,
Speaker 1: but not in Arizona. Next, some members of the volunteer
Speaker 1: search teams told Biffin they'd found Billy's behavior suspicious while
Speaker 1: out on searches. They'd noticed that whenever word went around
Speaker 1: that the police were on their way, he'd always find
Speaker 1: an excuse to suddenly leave. Detective Biffin made a note
Speaker 1: to have another chat with Billy in person. In April
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two, Detective Biffin asked Daniel's father, David, for
Speaker 1: access to Daniel's personal laptop, which was now in David's possession,
Speaker 1: but Robinson refused unless the police made the investigation a
Speaker 1: criminal case and brought in the FBI, convinced that his
Speaker 1: son had been the victim of foul play. However, when
Speaker 1: Detective Biffin actually presented his findings to the FBI. They
Speaker 1: complimented him on an extremely thorough investigation, concluding that there
Speaker 1: was no reason for them to get involved. Understandably distraught
Speaker 1: and frustrated with the lack of success in finding his son,
Speaker 1: David Robinson offered a ten thousand dollars reward for any
Speaker 1: information that led to Daniel being found, and, as so
Speaker 1: often happens when such rewards are promised, reports of Daniel
Speaker 1: being sighted suddenly began to flood in from California, Arizona, Albuquerque,
Speaker 1: and New Mexico, you name it. But each time when
Speaker 1: the police followed up, the person at the center of
Speaker 1: the reports was very obviously not Daniel. On the tenth
Speaker 1: of June twenty twenty two, almost a year after Daniel
Speaker 1: went missing, Detective Biffin finally spoke with Billy again, this
Speaker 1: time in person at Billy's home in Surprise, a suburb
Speaker 1: on the western edge of Phoenix. Once again, Billy repeated
Speaker 1: the details of his story from the previous year, but
Speaker 1: Biffin questioned him on it, since neither his alleged midday
Speaker 1: timing of the encounter or the location tallied with police evidence,
Speaker 1: but Billy stood by his story. The detective asked Billy
Speaker 1: if he might have been motivated to make up his
Speaker 1: account for the potential ward money, but Billy deflected the question.
Speaker 1: Then Biffin asked if Billy had hurt Daniel or had
Speaker 1: anything to do with him going missing or his vehicle,
Speaker 1: but Billy said no. Biffin also asked Billy if he'd
Speaker 1: ever met Daniel before his first supposed encounter with him,
Speaker 1: or whether he'd sold him weed or smoked it with him,
Speaker 1: but again Billy said no. After a while, he seemed
Speaker 1: to backtrack on his original statement, suggesting he might have
Speaker 1: misremembered it slightly, but insisted that he wasn't trying to
Speaker 1: make it up. He even offered to take a lie
Speaker 1: detective test to prove it. Later that day, after Biffin
Speaker 1: had left his home, Billy emailed the detective of a
Speaker 1: trail map showing the route he'd taken that fateful morning
Speaker 1: and the alleged location where he met Daniel. No part
Speaker 1: of Billy's route came closer than half a mile to
Speaker 1: any location where Daniel's jeep had been recorded. When the
Speaker 1: option to take a polygraph test came up in the end,
Speaker 1: Billy refused to do it, as the investigation into Daniel
Speaker 1: Robinson's whereabouts dragged into a second year. Detective Biffin and
Speaker 1: the Buckeye Police Department continued to follow up reported sightings
Speaker 1: of Daniel, but all were to no avail. But Biffin
Speaker 1: couldn't let go of the thought that Billy was hiding something,
Speaker 1: and so on the twenty second of May twenty twenty three,
Speaker 1: perhaps sensing something dangerous about the man, Detective Biffin arranged
Speaker 1: to meet Billy again for another round of questioning, this
Speaker 1: time in a Fry's gas station parking lot in surprise
Speaker 1: for added security. Biffin also didn't go alone, but was
Speaker 1: joined by his colleague, Detective Favella, who was parked in
Speaker 1: an unmarked vehicle nearby to maintain a visual on Billy
Speaker 1: at all times. It was pushing one hundred degrees when
Speaker 1: Billy slid into the passenger seat of Detective Biffin's truck.
Speaker 1: Biffin immediately sensed that the man's demeanor was apologetic. Strangely,
Speaker 1: as soon as he got into the truck, he gave
Speaker 1: the detective a mobile Wi Fi hotspot and a charger
Speaker 1: in case it might be of some use to him,
Speaker 1: perhaps looking to make some kind of amends for refusing
Speaker 1: the lie detector test. This time, when Biffin asked him
Speaker 1: again to describe his alleged encounter with Daniel, everything had changed.
Speaker 1: Having initially described an up close, extended exchange, Billy now
Speaker 1: said that he'd only had a brief, passing encounter with
Speaker 1: the young man, who'd been about thirty feet away from
Speaker 1: him the whole time. Which story is true, demanded Biffin
Speaker 1: with obvious frustration. Why have you inserted yourself into my investigation?
Speaker 1: But Billy was either unwilling or unable to answer the question.
Speaker 1: All he could say was that, however, or whenever it happened,
Speaker 1: he had seen Daniel out in the desert that day.
Speaker 1: For Detective Biffin, it was an agonizing dead end that
Speaker 1: only became more irritating the more he interrogated it. Why
Speaker 1: on earth, as he later pondered in his report, would
Speaker 1: Billy lie about talking to Daniel that day. Since Daniel
Speaker 1: Robinson went missing in June twenty twenty one, his devastated
Speaker 1: father has been consumed with the search for his son.
Speaker 1: He's traveled repeatedly to Arizona, organized desert searches, distributed flyers,
Speaker 1: and gone seventy thousand dollars into debt in the process,
Speaker 1: all in the hope of finding a concrete answer to
Speaker 1: Daniel's whereabouts. There are still so many unanswered questions, and
Speaker 1: so far, to this day, what exactly happened to Daniel
Speaker 1: Robinson remains unexplained. If you have any evidence related to
Speaker 1: this case, please contact Buckeye Police Department on USA area
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