1 00:00:01,120 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: The Around the League podcast refuses to discuss the British bull. 2 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:12,799 Speaker 1: Welcome back to another addition of the Round the League Podcast. 3 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:14,920 Speaker 1: My name is Dan Hansas and I'm joined by room 4 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 1: filled with heroes Chris Westling, Mark Sessler, and Greg Rose 5 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:22,520 Speaker 1: a doll what boys? Hey Dan, Happy Monday, if there 6 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:24,919 Speaker 1: is such a thing. It's been a busy Monday. Mark 7 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 1: pulled the h I'll take off the day where the 8 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 1: franchise tags had to be officially handed out and don't 9 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:34,400 Speaker 1: make the schedule. So he comes in, he waltson, you 10 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:38,200 Speaker 1: know you looked relaxed. Ran a five k today? Did 11 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:41,640 Speaker 1: you a race out of nowhere with no training, no 12 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:45,600 Speaker 1: on a treadmill against no personal five k? That's not 13 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:49,400 Speaker 1: a five k, that'd be a distance wise it was 14 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:52,920 Speaker 1: that connotates a race. But still I see one. I 15 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 1: see where you're coming from. And I remarked right before 16 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:59,040 Speaker 1: we began today that you look different. There's something going on. 17 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 1: You have the LoVa man that is getting healthy. Well, 18 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 1: Dan and I go to the same gym. I haven't 19 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 1: seen you there, but I assume that's because you were here. Yeah, 20 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:09,600 Speaker 1: well I was in at five am at the gym. 21 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:11,040 Speaker 1: I did two or three hours and then I came 22 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 1: to it here I can get I smell your cent 23 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:15,399 Speaker 1: when I'm there, I can tell that Dan has been there. 24 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 1: I don't even know what that means, been I know alright, So, yes, 25 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:22,400 Speaker 1: today is a big day. Um. This was the deadline 26 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 1: Monday for franchise tags to be handed out, and they 27 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:28,759 Speaker 1: were handed out, but not not a lot of them. 28 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:31,600 Speaker 1: So we're gonna get into that. We're gonna start there. Actually, 29 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:34,520 Speaker 1: we're also gonna do some other news around the league, 30 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 1: and then we're gonna get back into the laboratory and 31 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 1: go over the top ten wide receivers, free agency primer, 32 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 1: get the scientists going at each other hopefully. Um, but 33 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 1: why don't we start with the news with the franchise 34 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 1: tag on our website NFL dot com backslash at l 35 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:54,560 Speaker 1: we have our franchise tag tracker and I'm holding in 36 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 1: my hand right now. I printed it up and the 37 00:01:56,920 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 1: tags are applied, gentlemen. Jimmy Graham Official Official, Greg Hardy 38 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:09,200 Speaker 1: the Panthers, Brian A. Rackbo of the Redskins, as we 39 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:12,960 Speaker 1: already knew, Nick Folk with the Jets, And then there 40 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 1: were two transition tags. Alex mac Center Cleveland Browns. Mark Sessler, 41 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 1: you were probably the gym working out what about our site? 42 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:27,799 Speaker 1: I go there because I get instant news and I 43 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 1: get the analysis from our site. Okay, and backpedally and 44 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:37,800 Speaker 1: then see on my phone. Should we be worried? Greg? 45 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 1: You created that monster and it it's efficient. This would 46 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:43,640 Speaker 1: be good. We were talking about leverage before the podcast. 47 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:46,679 Speaker 1: This would be good for leverage to get and we 48 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 1: want to go down this road. Actually I have no leverage, 49 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:53,360 Speaker 1: but I do only the Steelers use their transition tag 50 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:58,000 Speaker 1: on outside linebacker Jason World. So, gentlemen, I throw to you, 51 00:02:58,040 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 1: who wants to get going? What do you take out 52 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 1: of the these moves? I think the big move is 53 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 1: Nick Folk, uh staying with the Jets gott I thought 54 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 1: Comby was going to get the championship contender type of 55 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:13,520 Speaker 1: move to make sure, hey we got this guy. Folk 56 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:17,640 Speaker 1: could sign a big that the Patriots fan that really 57 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:20,240 Speaker 1: may not realize that the window is just about shut 58 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:23,359 Speaker 1: now and Tom Brady walking with a limp at this stage. 59 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:29,359 Speaker 1: Keep making your jets is often a prudent I'm not 60 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 1: criticizing it totally makes sense. It's fine, who cares. Let's 61 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 1: talk Jason worlds. This was a surprise. Should we Should 62 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 1: we explain the transition tag, because the transition tag is 63 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 1: quite a bit different than There are some people in 64 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:46,600 Speaker 1: this room that don't even know what the transaction transition 65 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 1: the gold standard behind the glass. Do you know what 66 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 1: the transition tag is, Zach, I don't know what The 67 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 1: transition tag is. Essentially a cheaper version of the franchise tag. 68 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 1: It's less than the franchise tag number and it gives 69 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:08,119 Speaker 1: you the right and it basically so Alex mac for instance, 70 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 1: who was given the trans transition tag by the Browns, 71 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:15,000 Speaker 1: he now can sign a one year, ten million dollar 72 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:17,039 Speaker 1: tender would have been about a million a half more 73 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:20,160 Speaker 1: if it was the franchise number. But he can go 74 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:23,600 Speaker 1: around with his agent, shop his services and sign a 75 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 1: contract with any old team out there. And the difference 76 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 1: here is the Browns will have five days to match it, 77 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 1: and if they don't match it, they get nothing in return, 78 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 1: which is sort of bizarre, uh, But that's what it is. 79 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:42,520 Speaker 1: And it's a deterrent, I think to other teams negotiating 80 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 1: for the Browns. So the risk here if you're the Patriots, 81 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 1: let's say they wanted Alex Mack. They eat signed back 82 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:53,120 Speaker 1: to a five year, fifty million dollar contract, and the 83 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:56,040 Speaker 1: Browns take four days and they say, okay, we'll match it, 84 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 1: and you just wasted two weeks, right whereas maybe the 85 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:03,040 Speaker 1: brown Elms would have spent more money on him. If 86 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:05,680 Speaker 1: the Patriots can get involved in that hypothetical scenario. It 87 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 1: does feel like in the mac angle that he sat 88 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 1: down with the team over the weekend and they tried 89 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:12,799 Speaker 1: to win him back over because I think he's clearly 90 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 1: one of the guys that was unhappy with probably five 91 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 1: years of losing, but also just what was happening recently. 92 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:21,120 Speaker 1: I think they couldn't get him to agree to anything. 93 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:24,279 Speaker 1: The agent basically said, there's no way where you let 94 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:25,960 Speaker 1: us go to market, and this is the closest thing 95 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:28,560 Speaker 1: they can do to protect him to some degree. Well, 96 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:31,800 Speaker 1: they could have just placed the franchise tag on him, though, well, 97 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 1: you can do that and then you pretty much prevent 98 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 1: any team from signing him. If you want to sign 99 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:40,360 Speaker 1: him under the franchise tag, you have to give up 100 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:43,800 Speaker 1: two first round draft picks. That's prohibitive. No one's gonna 101 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:47,480 Speaker 1: do that. So it's a little bit of the roll 102 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:49,840 Speaker 1: of the dice, you save a little money. Maybe in 103 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:53,600 Speaker 1: this case, you keep the player a little happier and 104 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 1: they can go out and see their value. And maybe 105 00:05:56,040 --> 00:06:00,599 Speaker 1: the Browns are confident that there offer to Alex mac 106 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 1: is fair, it's a good offer, and he'll go find 107 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 1: that out when he goes out into free agency. And 108 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:07,160 Speaker 1: just the difference. So you know, and I'll use Nick 109 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 1: focus an example, because it would be really funny if 110 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:13,680 Speaker 1: let's say that marks Cleveland Browns were to offer Nick 111 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:17,280 Speaker 1: Folk a contract. Um, the Jets would get to number 112 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 1: one picks for the Browns and you would get Nick 113 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:22,560 Speaker 1: Folk and the contract you signed him. It's essentially uns 114 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 1: sounds like a good deal unless exclusive franchise deck. I mean, 115 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:29,839 Speaker 1: I could see one team potentially saying we are going 116 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:33,160 Speaker 1: to pick thirty one, thirty second. We're that confident over 117 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:34,840 Speaker 1: the next two years, we're gonna make a runner. We're 118 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:36,800 Speaker 1: gonna go after Jimmy Graham forget the first round. We 119 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 1: talked about this in the newsroom. My team would be 120 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:45,920 Speaker 1: the Packers, but otherwise it's a go. If you're a 121 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:51,279 Speaker 1: general manager, Jimmy Graham's out there, you're you're Ted Thompson, 122 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:54,280 Speaker 1: you would do that you would give up two first 123 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:57,000 Speaker 1: round picks. I'm Ted Thompson, so I'm armed with the 124 00:06:57,080 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 1: knowledge that I've actually picked better in the third and 125 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:01,839 Speaker 1: fourth round than i have in the late first rounds 126 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 1: over the years. So you do you think it's realistic 127 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:07,920 Speaker 1: that any team does this? No, I don't. I think 128 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 1: the Packers make the most sense, but I think Ted 129 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 1: Thompson would never give up draft picks. Here's the thing, though, 130 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 1: They're not just giving up draft picks. They're giving up 131 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 1: the highest contract for a tight end in league history, 132 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 1: and two first round exactly. Well, that's a lot. I 133 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know if I do that for 134 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 1: even for Jimmy Graham, like Nick Perry and Derek Sharrod, 135 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 1: and then you also have to give up probably why 136 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 1: would you guess Jimmy Graham will end up making twelve 137 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 1: million a year? Right, It's a huge portion of your cap, 138 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 1: especially if you have a quarterback like Rogers. Like West's 139 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 1: idea that you could actually just give up two of 140 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 1: your past first round picks you can select them. What 141 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 1: about the Washington Redskins. Do you think it was ever 142 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 1: a thought that they would actually let a Raqbo potentially 143 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:58,680 Speaker 1: hit the open market without any type of safety lock 144 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:01,120 Speaker 1: on them. They they want us to believe that, but 145 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 1: I never thought that the listeners should know. I put 146 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 1: my softball pants on the line. Again, that was a 147 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:12,040 Speaker 1: sneaky softball pants move. Mark was just working out hard, 148 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:16,840 Speaker 1: sweating profusely, while West just out of nowhere all Willy 149 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 1: Nilly tweeted out that if the Redskins did not place 150 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 1: a tag on a rack poll, he was gonna eat 151 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 1: his softball pants. I get a little fired up when 152 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:30,840 Speaker 1: these things. They're totally I just want to point out 153 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 1: the absurdity of things. There's no way there are national 154 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:37,480 Speaker 1: reporters saying the Redskins aren't going to tag a rack 155 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:40,959 Speaker 1: poll when it's the only move they had. I like 156 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 1: this term national reporters. You know who you're thinking of. 157 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:47,080 Speaker 1: You just trying not to call people out national reports. 158 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:49,200 Speaker 1: I thought there were several, there were reports all over 159 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:52,120 Speaker 1: the place on a rack po that was risky though. 160 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:54,400 Speaker 1: I mean, whereas the Raiders, it would have been a 161 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:58,319 Speaker 1: huge upset to win six games a rack po. I 162 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:00,200 Speaker 1: thought you were right. I thought you were gonna be right, 163 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 1: but you just kind of threw that out there this morning. 164 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:04,679 Speaker 1: I mean, we could have been sauteing up things. If 165 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:07,760 Speaker 1: you noticed. I didn't send it out to my whole 166 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 1: Twitter followers. I only send it out to the A 167 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:12,839 Speaker 1: t L account. It doesn't matter. He would have made 168 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:15,880 Speaker 1: you eat the pants. It would have been crazy to 169 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 1: me for them to let iraq Po go though they 170 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:22,240 Speaker 1: have no homegrown talents over the last ten years. They 171 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:24,920 Speaker 1: finally make a good draft pick and you let him walk. 172 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 1: It would almost be as crazy as what the Raiders did. 173 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 1: I think, well, that's a great transition mark, showing that 174 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 1: you come into the office and your off day but 175 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:37,280 Speaker 1: you're still sharp as attack. Um not not everyone that 176 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 1: maybe we expected to get franchise did, And we could 177 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 1: start with the Oakland Raiders. UM defensive end Lamar Houston 178 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 1: and tackle Jared Veld. Here two guys that are impact 179 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:51,839 Speaker 1: players for this team. They have plenty of cap room. 180 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 1: Reggie Mackenzie finally has some wiggle room and he does 181 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 1: not put the tag on either. How do we make 182 00:09:57,160 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 1: sense of this? I just teat up Reggie Mackenzie on 183 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:02,600 Speaker 1: an order. Well, I think he deserves it. I don't. 184 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 1: It's what are they doing as as enticing a tease 185 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 1: as that was to go to our website. Can you 186 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:12,600 Speaker 1: explain some of your Reggie McKenzie. He's been given a man, 187 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 1: he's been given a mandate by his owner. Start winning, 188 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:20,320 Speaker 1: stop making excuses. He has more salary cap money than 189 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 1: anybody in the league. These are two free agents who 190 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:26,240 Speaker 1: are in our top ten on our list. I thought 191 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 1: Houston played at a Pro Bowl level last year. Veldier 192 00:10:29,559 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 1: missed a lot of the season, but played at a 193 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 1: Pro Bowl level the year before that. Two guys still 194 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 1: in their prime, in the top five or six maybe 195 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:40,679 Speaker 1: at their positions. If you consider Houston a three or 196 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 1: four end, maybe maybe top five, and he's just gonna 197 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:47,439 Speaker 1: let him hit the market. No team has more holes 198 00:10:47,880 --> 00:10:50,679 Speaker 1: in the NFL than the Raiders. When you have, uh 199 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:54,840 Speaker 1: just one big hole, yeah, black hole. Will you keep 200 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:56,640 Speaker 1: those guys in house? You have plenty other work to do. 201 00:10:56,760 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 1: But instead he's risking the potential of having even more roles. 202 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 1: The goal is to win a Lombardi Trophy, not to 203 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:04,920 Speaker 1: acquire the most salary cap space. Maybe he thinks he 204 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 1: gets any extra money that's left over. I think if 205 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 1: you're a Raider fan, if you're a Raiders fan, you 206 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:13,320 Speaker 1: heard from Valdar last month that he said the team 207 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:16,520 Speaker 1: has shown no urgency and even reaching out to try 208 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:18,439 Speaker 1: to strike a long term deal. So that doesn't give 209 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:20,559 Speaker 1: a lot of confidence that something's happening between now and 210 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:24,000 Speaker 1: the eleventh of March. But also, left tackle one of 211 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 1: the toughest positions to fill if you lose a guy 212 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:31,719 Speaker 1: with promise. Well, here's how I look at rosters in 213 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:35,920 Speaker 1: the NFL. There isn't much difference between an average NFL 214 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 1: starter and a high end reserve. There is a huge 215 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:41,720 Speaker 1: difference between a high end starter and an average starter. 216 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:44,560 Speaker 1: The guys you want to keep are guys like Houston 217 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:47,559 Speaker 1: and Valdere who are in their prime. The goal for 218 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:51,079 Speaker 1: consistent winning you draft, develop, and keep. The Raiders have 219 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:53,480 Speaker 1: drafted and developed two players, they have the resources to 220 00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:56,760 Speaker 1: keep them, and apparently they're opting again the best two players. 221 00:11:56,840 --> 00:12:00,199 Speaker 1: Who's better on the Raiders than those two guys. I 222 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 1: don't even think that Houston jumped out week after week 223 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:05,839 Speaker 1: last year for that defense. I gotta think that val 224 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 1: Dear is going to sign a contract before free agency. 225 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:11,240 Speaker 1: I at least want to wait before I kill them. 226 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:14,679 Speaker 1: They must know something, right. I just think that maybe 227 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:19,920 Speaker 1: you don't want to set the average price for that 228 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:22,760 Speaker 1: contract that whatever the franchise number is, which is really 229 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 1: high for a tackle. In fairness to the Raiders, and 230 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:26,959 Speaker 1: maybe they feel like they're close on a deal and 231 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:29,079 Speaker 1: they'll get it done. I think Lamar Houston's gone and 232 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:31,360 Speaker 1: he'll get paid a lot of money if they were 233 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 1: close on build here. Didn't you think it was a 234 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 1: little ominous that Ian Rappaport or NFL Media Insider, reported 235 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 1: that there was no communication with veld here today in 236 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:43,920 Speaker 1: advance of the franchise, which is what he said himself, 237 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:45,680 Speaker 1: leaving up that he's heard that he had heard nothing 238 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:48,040 Speaker 1: from the team. I just find it on at one aside. 239 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:50,360 Speaker 1: I had said on Friday show that Ian would be 240 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:53,760 Speaker 1: in studio today. That is a clear indication that I 241 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:57,680 Speaker 1: don't read email properly. Miscommunication even will be in next Monday. 242 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:02,839 Speaker 1: Just know that, I'm surprised people even were still listening 243 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:04,719 Speaker 1: to all the rap sheet fans that were hanging on this, 244 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:09,199 Speaker 1: like where yet? All right, let me go over the 245 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:12,440 Speaker 1: rest of um. You know the notable names that did 246 00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:15,400 Speaker 1: not receive the tag. We kind of knew this from Sunday, 247 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 1: but the Bills announced formally they won't use their tag 248 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:21,679 Speaker 1: on anyone, including safety Jarvis Bird, who is now the 249 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:26,440 Speaker 1: number one overall free agent on the and there are 250 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:30,480 Speaker 1: some intriguing landing spots for him, starting with Marx Browns, 251 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:33,600 Speaker 1: where his former head coach or a former defensive coordinator 252 00:13:33,640 --> 00:13:38,959 Speaker 1: is now the head coach his former my team too. No, no, no, 253 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:41,800 Speaker 1: it all goes back to the two thousand tents that 254 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:44,760 Speaker 1: the Eagles cleared up, have taken care of their offense, 255 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:47,040 Speaker 1: have a major need at safety, and their coach just 256 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:50,640 Speaker 1: happened to coach him in college. And his father, Gilbird, 257 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:55,520 Speaker 1: is the secondary coach for the Buccaneers. Now interesting put 258 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:58,439 Speaker 1: him in that Buccaneer secondary. That's a scary dropping the 259 00:13:58,559 --> 00:14:02,960 Speaker 1: Gil Bird at least a one or two time Pro 260 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:05,520 Speaker 1: bowler with the Chargers back, Are you happy with this 261 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:11,439 Speaker 1: potential thought that the Browns saw what was going on 262 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 1: with Gyris Bird. Maybe this or uh ten, you know, 263 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:21,600 Speaker 1: group of executives in Cleveland feel a little differently about 264 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:26,680 Speaker 1: t J. Ward. Then Michael Lombardi and Rob Jadinski and 265 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:29,440 Speaker 1: whoever did that. They're gonna let t J. Ward go 266 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 1: to the market. They're gonna transition Alex mac and maybe 267 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 1: it's all a setup. To try to get Bird instead. 268 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:38,240 Speaker 1: I think Bird is an up I don't like when 269 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:41,040 Speaker 1: you are a team without much talent, where you remove 270 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:43,120 Speaker 1: a talented player and just fill them with it. I'd 271 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:45,640 Speaker 1: like to see them have two good safeties, not just one. 272 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 1: But Bird is an upgrade Overward. Ward I think is 273 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:51,920 Speaker 1: more of in the box run stopper. But you know, 274 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 1: Petton said that its two safeties are interchangeable. The issn't 275 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 1: really a strong and a free safety. But I'll take 276 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:59,400 Speaker 1: Bird healthy Overward and I think Ward would go to 277 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:03,520 Speaker 1: the Eagles for Earl Thomas and camp Chancellor, not Earl 278 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 1: Thomas or camp Chancellor so much money in this market 279 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:11,840 Speaker 1: a safety that can cover because he's gonna get treated 280 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:16,600 Speaker 1: like a top ten cornerback because ultimately that's what safeties 281 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:18,640 Speaker 1: like him are. At this point, they're just being asked 282 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:21,440 Speaker 1: because they must have. They must have watched Wards tape. 283 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:23,880 Speaker 1: And I think he's had some suspicious play previous to 284 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:26,280 Speaker 1: this season where he got hurt a lot. His coverage 285 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:29,440 Speaker 1: is shaky, and maybe they felt this guy is not 286 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:33,160 Speaker 1: a Pro Bowl safety. He's just among a weaker class 287 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:35,080 Speaker 1: of safeties in the a f C. I think they 288 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 1: just loved mac too just and that parts a positive. 289 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:42,160 Speaker 1: I liked Greg giving Brown's front office official the benefit 290 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:44,600 Speaker 1: of the doubt. I like that is that usually typically 291 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:46,440 Speaker 1: it doesn't work out, but maybe it will this time. 292 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:49,920 Speaker 1: What they're doing, I'm turning a new corner um. Alright, 293 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:53,160 Speaker 1: just a few more before we move on. Vante Davis 294 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:57,040 Speaker 1: didn't get tagged. That was Was that a surprise to us? No? 295 00:15:57,200 --> 00:15:59,000 Speaker 1: I think they had pretty much said they weren't going 296 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:02,120 Speaker 1: to tag him, so wasn't a surprise. The cornerback crop 297 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:05,240 Speaker 1: is very deep, not quite as deep because Brent Grimes 298 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:07,280 Speaker 1: got signed today. I guess we'll talk about that in 299 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:09,560 Speaker 1: a bit, but he's one of many guys out there. 300 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:13,920 Speaker 1: The tackle Eugene Monroe with the Ravens, that was a 301 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 1: surprise to me. A week ago, I would have thought 302 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:18,840 Speaker 1: they were at least trying to get something done before 303 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:21,320 Speaker 1: or they attack number two with a bullet on our 304 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:23,600 Speaker 1: top one of one, so we remove all the franchise 305 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:26,240 Speaker 1: tagged players from our top one of one list. I 306 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:29,840 Speaker 1: think Eugene Monroe is now the top offensive lineman available 307 00:16:29,880 --> 00:16:32,640 Speaker 1: and he's going to make a lot of money. And man, 308 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 1: I'd be worried if I was the Ravens losing him. 309 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:37,680 Speaker 1: I'm not too worried about losing Michael or but now 310 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 1: I would consider an upset if Monroe returns to their team. Well, 311 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:45,200 Speaker 1: speaking of benefit of the doubt, I'm okay with kind 312 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:49,440 Speaker 1: of wondering what the heck Reggie mackenzie is doing, but 313 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 1: also saying I'm sure Ozzie knew him has a plan. 314 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 1: Last year, look at all the other people they had, 315 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:56,960 Speaker 1: and he still had a plan and people loved what 316 00:16:57,000 --> 00:16:58,680 Speaker 1: he ended up doing in the off season. He's been 317 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:01,160 Speaker 1: one of the best in the business for fifteen years now. 318 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:03,160 Speaker 1: I only think it's a shame though, because they gave 319 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:06,119 Speaker 1: up multiple draft picks for him in what was, you know, 320 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:08,359 Speaker 1: some something of a lost season. They were still in 321 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:10,080 Speaker 1: the race when they when they pulled that move. But 322 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:13,479 Speaker 1: if left tackle of the future, if he signs elsewhere, 323 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:15,960 Speaker 1: they'll get compensatory two picks and there are it's a 324 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:18,080 Speaker 1: nice left tackle market. There's a couple of guys out 325 00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:21,399 Speaker 1: there all right, the gold standard behind the glass. How 326 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:24,960 Speaker 1: are you, buddy, good? Thanks? How was your weekend? Yeah? 327 00:17:25,080 --> 00:17:28,919 Speaker 1: Pretty uneventful. Did you watch did you watch all soccer? 328 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:31,480 Speaker 1: Did you watch a little? Oscars? Have a little bit 329 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:33,520 Speaker 1: of oscars to have a little bit. He was really 330 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:37,000 Speaker 1: just going back and forth about the whole Jason World's thing. Well, 331 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:41,080 Speaker 1: if you get the transition tagged, maybe another team will 332 00:17:41,119 --> 00:17:43,720 Speaker 1: sign him. I actually can see that happening. World's going 333 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:46,840 Speaker 1: through another team. Maybe not the Wikipedia black hole I 334 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:52,359 Speaker 1: just went through with transition ended up in like Antarctica. 335 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:56,400 Speaker 1: It was crazy. All right, let's do some news. Let's 336 00:17:56,440 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 1: do it ya. All right, there's a lot of obviously 337 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:04,720 Speaker 1: there's a lot of news going on at San Francisco. 338 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:09,199 Speaker 1: Still we've been covering it like a snuggy to use 339 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:13,640 Speaker 1: a term, Mike Silver Twitter profile term for the Around 340 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:15,399 Speaker 1: the League blog. So let me just go through some 341 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:17,719 Speaker 1: of these nuggets. Don't look at each other. I can 342 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:22,680 Speaker 1: say things not exactly the most current reference there. That 343 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:28,080 Speaker 1: is what Silver's profile says. He's even updated that dated 344 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:36,280 Speaker 1: reference whatever. According to her report the San Francisco Chronicle 345 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 1: and Killian Jim Harbaugh's act has worn thin. And I 346 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 1: like this wording that uh and used with face of 347 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:49,520 Speaker 1: the forty Niners type players. Um, what does that mean? 348 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:54,840 Speaker 1: And doesn't mean anything. I don't think it matters that 349 00:18:55,119 --> 00:18:58,640 Speaker 1: much that some players are getting tired of Jim Harbaugh's act. 350 00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:01,400 Speaker 1: You could find play as in every locker room that's 351 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:05,399 Speaker 1: tired of a head coaches act. So much of what 352 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:09,560 Speaker 1: head coaches do in terms of their speeches and their 353 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:14,800 Speaker 1: motivational techniques are ridiculous. They're stupid for adults to be 354 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:16,880 Speaker 1: buying into some of this stuff. So I think there's 355 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:19,760 Speaker 1: always gonna be a segment that thinks a coach is corny. 356 00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:23,879 Speaker 1: I don't care about that. So either Kaepernick or Patrick 357 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:26,800 Speaker 1: Willis is fed up with Jim Harbor or Frank or 358 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:32,560 Speaker 1: or Justin Smith. They've got a lot of they got 359 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:34,200 Speaker 1: a lot of they got a lot of big name guys. 360 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:36,680 Speaker 1: But there I don't care about that. I think it's 361 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:41,439 Speaker 1: a bigger topic. The front office might be fed up 362 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:46,080 Speaker 1: with Jim Harbaugh, whether that's the general manager, Trent Balky, ownership, 363 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:49,960 Speaker 1: whatever it is, there's some sort of schism right now. 364 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:53,879 Speaker 1: But shame on the Niners if they ultimately believe, because 365 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:56,879 Speaker 1: I know it's it's been reported or it's been speculated 366 00:19:56,920 --> 00:19:59,440 Speaker 1: that oh, they have enough talent and they believe in 367 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:02,719 Speaker 1: their internal candidates to just they coun potentially replace him 368 00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:04,919 Speaker 1: and not skip a beat. There there were there were 369 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:07,040 Speaker 1: a lot of bad years between, you know, the mid 370 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:10,399 Speaker 1: nineties until Hardball got there, and since he's been there, 371 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:12,440 Speaker 1: they've averaged twelve wins a year. They went to the 372 00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:14,359 Speaker 1: NFC title Game all three years they went to the 373 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:16,920 Speaker 1: Super Bowl and almost one once. I think this guy, 374 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:19,960 Speaker 1: it's pretty good coach, and they should deal with his 375 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:24,560 Speaker 1: crap until they stopped winning. I like your analysis. Thanks buddy, 376 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 1: Thank you good. I agree. People forget they were not 377 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:32,800 Speaker 1: just bad. They were the laughing stock of the NFL. 378 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:37,320 Speaker 1: Bad that their ownership and the changing of the coaches, 379 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:40,800 Speaker 1: everything that was going on in terms of dysfunction. If 380 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:44,119 Speaker 1: you had to rank the most dysfunctional franchises of the 381 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:47,280 Speaker 1: two thousands, there's a strong argument that we made for 382 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:51,159 Speaker 1: Meanders are number one. Mike Nolan and Mike Singletary and 383 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:54,720 Speaker 1: Dennis Ericson and those that whole group in a row 384 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:58,720 Speaker 1: and the fights between the general management and the owner 385 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:02,760 Speaker 1: and every one. It was ugly, not only the dysfunction, 386 00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:05,359 Speaker 1: but the fact that nobody paid them any attention until 387 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 1: they did something embarrassing. They were off the national radar 388 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:12,040 Speaker 1: as far as they were in the news. When Mike 389 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:14,479 Speaker 1: Singletary took his pants down to his ankles to make 390 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:17,000 Speaker 1: a point at halftime. You know that, Or when Mike 391 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:20,880 Speaker 1: Singletary sent Vernon Davis to the locker room for being disobedient. 392 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:23,000 Speaker 1: Can't have it? Yeah, I mean that kind of stuff. 393 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:25,760 Speaker 1: They were a joke. Mike Nolan was even worse. I 394 00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 1: Mike Nolan's tenure was embarrassing. It must be the ultimate 395 00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:38,520 Speaker 1: empty suit is Mike Nolan. Literally he was like, I'm 396 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:40,080 Speaker 1: a big fan of the suit. I once made a 397 00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:42,240 Speaker 1: remark about that on Twitter like a year ago, and 398 00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:44,600 Speaker 1: everyone's like, he did it in honor of his father. Man, 399 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:47,440 Speaker 1: get off his back whatever, stepping in it on Twitter? 400 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:50,399 Speaker 1: Like whatever. I think. It's like when you're young, and 401 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:52,520 Speaker 1: I know this happened to West a lot, when you 402 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:56,240 Speaker 1: are dating a woman that is much too hot for 403 00:21:56,320 --> 00:22:00,359 Speaker 1: you and it usually lasts for a short amount of time. Well, no, 404 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:05,639 Speaker 1: I'm saying that did happen to But what would force 405 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:09,600 Speaker 1: you to decide to completely part ways with this person? 406 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:13,520 Speaker 1: If if behind the scenes it's so destructive and it's 407 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:17,080 Speaker 1: causing such a problem, it's not Everyone's like, why would 408 00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:19,520 Speaker 1: you ever part ways with that woman? Well, because you 409 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:22,680 Speaker 1: think you can do better. No, it's because the whole 410 00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:26,840 Speaker 1: structure is crumbling because having that person. Something is going 411 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:29,359 Speaker 1: on with hardball where they're thinking, yes, he is twelve 412 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:36,480 Speaker 1: wins a year, but we're we're ready to hots. He 413 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:40,480 Speaker 1: is the equivalent of a super hot woman as a coach. 414 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:43,280 Speaker 1: I mean, every any team that you don't think he's hot, 415 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:48,280 Speaker 1: I'm saying he's super hot. But the Niners organization is 416 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:51,720 Speaker 1: the guy. The Niners organization is the guy in there 417 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:56,960 Speaker 1: thinking a lot of good were getting tired. Every hot chick, 418 00:22:57,040 --> 00:22:59,479 Speaker 1: there's a guy somewhere's tired up, tired of putting up 419 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:01,840 Speaker 1: with her stuff. There you go. Well, Albert Brier made 420 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:06,480 Speaker 1: a good uh analogy that maybe Jim Harbaugh is gonna 421 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:11,280 Speaker 1: be the Bill Parcels of this generation. That he's a 422 00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:15,960 Speaker 1: guy that comes in, takes over a program, rex shop, 423 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:20,879 Speaker 1: you know, bang some cans around, maybe rub some people 424 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:24,680 Speaker 1: the wrong way, improves the team, and he's gone after 425 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:27,000 Speaker 1: five years, after a lot of chaos. I mean, one 426 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:29,320 Speaker 1: thing in that article that really struck out was the 427 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:34,800 Speaker 1: quote where we have thrived under chaos and what was 428 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:39,000 Speaker 1: it tension over the last years. And I was like, wow, 429 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:42,080 Speaker 1: there's chaos and tension there. Well, I read that, and 430 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:45,000 Speaker 1: I think that's very interesting. But the difference for me 431 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:47,840 Speaker 1: a little bit is that Parcels won two Super Bowls 432 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:51,399 Speaker 1: with his first organization before he started his vagabond act. 433 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:57,960 Speaker 1: Very true. Other Niners, other Niners, News did it and 434 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:00,480 Speaker 1: at Stanford too. This is the NFL, we're not talking. 435 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:05,640 Speaker 1: There was talk that Harbor had kind of worn out 436 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:08,399 Speaker 1: his welcome and stay done right, but you gotta win 437 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:11,840 Speaker 1: a champion. He was, you know, rubbing people the wrong 438 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:14,480 Speaker 1: way there and was it such a dominant personality and 439 00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:16,359 Speaker 1: they knew David shot and they were kind of like, Okay, 440 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:19,119 Speaker 1: we'll see you later and kwon. Balden is signing a 441 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:22,359 Speaker 1: new deal with the San Francisco forty ninder Sea's not 442 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:25,639 Speaker 1: going anywhere. Uh Ian Rap report reported Monday that the 443 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:30,399 Speaker 1: deal is worth twelve million over two years. Makes a 444 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:33,480 Speaker 1: lot of sense, right. Balden was a really good fit 445 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:35,680 Speaker 1: for them, actually a great fit. I guess he wasn't 446 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:38,080 Speaker 1: the face of the franchise player annoyed with the coach. 447 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:42,960 Speaker 1: Could have guessed that he settled in as a six 448 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,360 Speaker 1: million dollar year receiver. That's what he had the last 449 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:49,680 Speaker 1: couple of years too. That's that's pretty good. They're slow though, 450 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:54,960 Speaker 1: I mean Michael Crabtree slow and Kwan Bolden slow. That's 451 00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:58,520 Speaker 1: too slow wide receivers, though, Would you regard Crabtree as 452 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:03,159 Speaker 1: slow before the Achilles? Really? I mean below average for 453 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 1: an NFL receiver, for an NFL starting receiver, and just 454 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:09,680 Speaker 1: in terms of speed, He's not a speed guy, but 455 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:11,840 Speaker 1: he's very good after the catch. I think Patrick made 456 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:13,320 Speaker 1: a good point in his post where he said that 457 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:16,720 Speaker 1: the last two teams Bolden played for the Cardinals and 458 00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:20,240 Speaker 1: the Ravens have sorely missed him. Thank you for bringing 459 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 1: up patra next time he's on the show. I have 460 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:25,320 Speaker 1: a bone to pick with Kevin regarding his Pro Bowl coverage. 461 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:29,040 Speaker 1: He's been holding on to this for a while. Something No. 462 00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:31,920 Speaker 1: I just learned about it, and we can't say what 463 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,119 Speaker 1: it is. He he made a friend, yeah, I know, 464 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:36,800 Speaker 1: but we gotta get to the we gotta question. Let's say, 465 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:38,840 Speaker 1: why did he keep it tucked away the way he did. 466 00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:42,760 Speaker 1: Balden is one of my favorite players of the last 467 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:45,080 Speaker 1: ten or twelve years. People thought he was breaking down 468 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:47,080 Speaker 1: at the end of his run in Arizona. I mean, 469 00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:49,680 Speaker 1: hasn't His stay in power has been awesome. That there's 470 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:52,560 Speaker 1: really been no fall off. People thought maybe he got 471 00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:55,600 Speaker 1: overpaid by Baltimore and then got overpaid by San Francisco. 472 00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:59,159 Speaker 1: Now here he is on another contract. He's a tricky 473 00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:03,320 Speaker 1: player to Judd, people love him as they should. He's 474 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:05,919 Speaker 1: he's a leader on whatever team he goes to. Everybody 475 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:08,720 Speaker 1: always says he's the toughest guy on the team, probably 476 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:11,280 Speaker 1: the toughest physically toughest wide receiver in the league. People 477 00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:13,920 Speaker 1: want to like annoint him as an All Pro type 478 00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:16,280 Speaker 1: after he has a two yard game, and then he'll 479 00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:19,480 Speaker 1: disappear for five or six weeks. Slow guys age, well, 480 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:22,800 Speaker 1: you know, if if you're slow to begin with, it 481 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:25,359 Speaker 1: doesn't really matter if you get slower. I mean, he 482 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:27,520 Speaker 1: had eleven hundred and seventy nine yards last year. I 483 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:31,119 Speaker 1: don't think people realize what a monster year though. NFL 484 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:35,320 Speaker 1: media insider Ian Rappaport reported Monday that Colin Kaepernick wants 485 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:38,600 Speaker 1: more than eighteen million annually from the forty Niners and 486 00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:41,960 Speaker 1: his upcoming contract. He's looking for more than the eighteen 487 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:45,960 Speaker 1: point two million annually that Jay Cutler received early this 488 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:49,639 Speaker 1: year from the Bears, which seems kind of fair, but 489 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:52,520 Speaker 1: still that's a lot of money to a guy that's 490 00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:55,360 Speaker 1: still pretty early to tell if he's really the guy. 491 00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,560 Speaker 1: I'd pay it in a second, right. I think we 492 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,680 Speaker 1: made the same point when Flacco got paid. It sounds 493 00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:04,080 Speaker 1: like a lot of money to an average fan, casual fan, 494 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:09,280 Speaker 1: but that's what you pay franchise quarterbacks. What what's your option? Okay, Kaepernick, 495 00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:12,200 Speaker 1: you walk, We'll go try to find a quarterback again. 496 00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:16,440 Speaker 1: There's one more big games Kaepernick or j Cutler kick. 497 00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:19,639 Speaker 1: You could almost imagine Kaepernick bringing that him up himself, 498 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:23,440 Speaker 1: being like that guy with that cops getting more than me, 499 00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:27,119 Speaker 1: Give me a break. That's why, that's why owners across 500 00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:30,080 Speaker 1: the league, in general, managers across the league should have 501 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:32,000 Speaker 1: been angry with the Bears when they gave Jake Cutler 502 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:37,919 Speaker 1: that contract, because that guy is what best quarterback. Love 503 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,640 Speaker 1: to gribe about this stuff. People got mad at Romo's contract. 504 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:42,960 Speaker 1: It's a no brainer. If you have a quarterback, you 505 00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:45,960 Speaker 1: pay them. I think they're worth forty or forty five million, 506 00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:50,479 Speaker 1: even in a slightly above average quarterback. So the salary cap, right, 507 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:53,639 Speaker 1: it keeps it keeps their number down relatively, But aren't 508 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:57,040 Speaker 1: they worth more than two Whoever gets paid nine million 509 00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:59,720 Speaker 1: dollars in free agency this year, Eugene Monroe and Gyrus Bird. 510 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:02,520 Speaker 1: You really think those two guys combined are worth a 511 00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:06,399 Speaker 1: starting quarterback? I don't think so. Kaepernick. I think the 512 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:10,040 Speaker 1: question is, if you wanted an alternative, you would just 513 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,520 Speaker 1: keep drafting guys. That's the only other option. Keep drafting 514 00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:16,040 Speaker 1: second third rounders and hope that you find another one, 515 00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:19,320 Speaker 1: and maybe you just franchise Tag Kaepernick a year from now. 516 00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:21,600 Speaker 1: But why are the truly elite guys Because a guy 517 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:25,240 Speaker 1: like Aaron Rodgers, who I believe is making what million something? 518 00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:29,359 Speaker 1: Why is he? Why is that so close to a 519 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:32,280 Speaker 1: guy that I think it's I think it's a ca. 520 00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:35,479 Speaker 1: I just feel like, why, why is the truly elite 521 00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:38,520 Speaker 1: guy and the goodish guy so close together? Why isn't 522 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:40,760 Speaker 1: it more balanced than Why? Is that just the way 523 00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:43,000 Speaker 1: the salary caps set up? You want to talk about 524 00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:46,320 Speaker 1: a true apocalypse? Roger go ahead, Well, let's say this 525 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:48,960 Speaker 1: hardball thing falls out next season and the team doesn't 526 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:50,840 Speaker 1: get its ducks in a row and keep Kaepernick around, 527 00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:52,280 Speaker 1: which I don't think would ever happen. They're going to 528 00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:55,200 Speaker 1: sign him, but you lose hardball and Kaepernick in one 529 00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:59,480 Speaker 1: offseason and hey, welcome to our new stadium where nothing 530 00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:03,640 Speaker 1: of value is I know, I know we're wildly late, Dan, 531 00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:07,600 Speaker 1: but this is a good time for it. Is any 532 00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:12,000 Speaker 1: do you guys, even taking the contract out of it, 533 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:15,840 Speaker 1: are you confident Kaepernick is gonna be a top ten 534 00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:19,240 Speaker 1: quarterback in three or four years, that he's that that 535 00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:23,960 Speaker 1: guy after last year? What is your thought? I have 536 00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:26,880 Speaker 1: some doubts on him. I'm not on the Jaworski train 537 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:29,000 Speaker 1: where he's going to be the best quarterback in history. 538 00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:31,320 Speaker 1: But I think the people who doubt him as a 539 00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:34,280 Speaker 1: franchise quarterback are silly people who call him a run 540 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:37,680 Speaker 1: first quarterback. He's not that. I I don't think he's 541 00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:41,360 Speaker 1: Andrew Luck. I think he's better than I'd be more, 542 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:43,400 Speaker 1: much more comfortable with him than Jay Cutler. I wonder 543 00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:45,960 Speaker 1: what they serve in the beverage car of the Jaworski train. 544 00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:50,360 Speaker 1: That's a good question. A variety of drinks. Do you 545 00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:52,400 Speaker 1: see him? Do you see Kaepernick? I don't know, if 546 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:54,360 Speaker 1: anything I would have if I'm their GM, I would 547 00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:57,280 Speaker 1: have no problem aligning him as a top ten type 548 00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:00,280 Speaker 1: quarterback in terms of pay and going forward with that risk. 549 00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:03,000 Speaker 1: And he's he has to chant in this game. That's 550 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:04,680 Speaker 1: not what I'm asking though. Do Yeah, I think I 551 00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:06,640 Speaker 1: think he projects out that way. I mean as as 552 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:09,440 Speaker 1: a guy, as a completely raw guy who hadn't even 553 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:13,000 Speaker 1: started he came in. I thought he did an outrageous 554 00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:15,920 Speaker 1: job winning that Atlanta playoff game, taking him to the 555 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:19,200 Speaker 1: super Bowl. He's been transcendent in some postseason moments. Let's 556 00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:21,240 Speaker 1: but let's also be fair. If we're going to say that, 557 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:23,560 Speaker 1: we also have to remember that three turnovers in the 558 00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:27,240 Speaker 1: fourth quarter of the NFC Title Game and one of 559 00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:31,120 Speaker 1: the best touchdown passes I've ever seen. Let's say, Dan, 560 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:32,640 Speaker 1: he goes to the he's on the Jets, would you 561 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:35,520 Speaker 1: have a problem paying the eighteen million years. I'm taking 562 00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:37,320 Speaker 1: the money out of it. I agree, you just pay 563 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:40,800 Speaker 1: him the money. Seem like that's fine, And I agree 564 00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:43,040 Speaker 1: with Dan it there should be more of a middle class. 565 00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:46,840 Speaker 1: It's really that Aaron, Rodgers and Brady and Manning are underpaid. 566 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:52,760 Speaker 1: But but none of us can confidently stand on the 567 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:55,120 Speaker 1: table and say Kaepernick is definitely that top ten guy, 568 00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:57,760 Speaker 1: which is I think that's interesting. I don't know if 569 00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:01,440 Speaker 1: I'm totally convinced. What does that mean that we can't 570 00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:05,400 Speaker 1: say that I'm worth the money. Yeah, I'm taking that 571 00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:07,320 Speaker 1: out of it. I'm just saying he's not really at 572 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:09,840 Speaker 1: that point where we're that confident he's an elite type 573 00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:12,440 Speaker 1: of quarterback that I just used the word I hate that, 574 00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:16,200 Speaker 1: but uh, that we're not totally convinced he's that guy. 575 00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:18,200 Speaker 1: A year ago, I would have been more kind. If 576 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:20,480 Speaker 1: you want me to name the quarterbacks I'd rather have 577 00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:22,280 Speaker 1: than him, I'll be happy to but it might take 578 00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:24,040 Speaker 1: a while and it might be for another podcast, but 579 00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:26,520 Speaker 1: I'd be happy to say which quarterbacks are better? All right, July, 580 00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:34,840 Speaker 1: Well we're here, are you want to do? Man named 581 00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:37,640 Speaker 1: Brady who might be by the time out of the league, 582 00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:42,040 Speaker 1: by the time we were done with this thing, Breeze Rogers, Well, 583 00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:45,440 Speaker 1: Rogers will be number one. But anyway, Big Ben, Rivers, 584 00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:50,520 Speaker 1: Russell Wilson, Andrew Luck, Matt Ryan. That might be about 585 00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:52,760 Speaker 1: it all. At their ages today, you'd want them today 586 00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,120 Speaker 1: for the rest of their careers. Cam and Kaepernick in 587 00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:57,880 Speaker 1: the same category. I'd probably take Cam over Kaepernick. But 588 00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:00,800 Speaker 1: there Kaepernick tenth best quarter they're about ten. Yeah, he's 589 00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:04,080 Speaker 1: about the ten eleven range. Fair Uh. NFL media is 590 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:08,720 Speaker 1: Judy Batista had an interesting feature today where she reported 591 00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:12,080 Speaker 1: that the NFL Competition Committee, which is has been in 592 00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:15,880 Speaker 1: Florida talking about potential proposals to send to the owners 593 00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:20,480 Speaker 1: this year. UM are discussing the possibility of pushing the 594 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:24,200 Speaker 1: point after point after touchdown the extra point to the 595 00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:26,560 Speaker 1: twenty five yard line, which would make it a forty 596 00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:30,280 Speaker 1: two yard attempt. Right now, it's ball set at the two, 597 00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:34,800 Speaker 1: making it a nineteen or twenty yard attempt. That's pretty crazy, 598 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,760 Speaker 1: isn't it. It's a long extra point. I get spicy like, 599 00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:40,640 Speaker 1: and I'd like to make the game more interesting. Isn't 600 00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:44,480 Speaker 1: it a little kind of taste too much? Too much? What? 601 00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:48,440 Speaker 1: What is our What is our attraction to the current 602 00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:51,400 Speaker 1: extra point? No, the current extra point We've outgrown it. 603 00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:54,440 Speaker 1: I think that the kickers are so um advanced now, 604 00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:57,000 Speaker 1: and the conditions and the fields and the and the 605 00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:01,000 Speaker 1: everything about the NFL has progressed past extra points. But 606 00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:05,160 Speaker 1: forty two yard field goal to me, and forty yard 607 00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:08,000 Speaker 1: field goals last year were converted. I believe it was 608 00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:14,200 Speaker 1: pent of the time that I mean crazy. Yeah, I 609 00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:18,400 Speaker 1: like that's why you locked down, because it's so hard 610 00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:20,880 Speaker 1: to find a kick in five years, and now Alex 611 00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:23,200 Speaker 1: Barron commits a false start penalty and you're back to 612 00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:27,040 Speaker 1: a forty seven yard extr point. Downstairs, Dan, that's a 613 00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:29,920 Speaker 1: great call, though one false started. It's a forty seven 614 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:32,800 Speaker 1: year old yard kick personal foul. All of a sudden, 615 00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:38,520 Speaker 1: it's a bomb outside. But I didn't ever knew that 616 00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:41,000 Speaker 1: Dan was such a traditionalist. If Dan was back in 617 00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:43,680 Speaker 1: the nineties twenties, you'll be like, this forward passed, this 618 00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:51,160 Speaker 1: is a terrible the watermelon ball, lady folk voting no. 619 00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:54,880 Speaker 1: But I know, listen, it's just to me. Alright, think 620 00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:58,800 Speaker 1: about it this way. The example I said earlier, alright, 621 00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:01,840 Speaker 1: Mark you, I love you. The Browns an example. Late 622 00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:04,600 Speaker 1: in the game, they needed to keep their playoff hopes alive. 623 00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:07,600 Speaker 1: They march ninety eight yards down the field, an amazing 624 00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:10,480 Speaker 1: gutsy drive. They convert four or fourth downs to get 625 00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:12,640 Speaker 1: in the end zone. They tie the Steelers up if 626 00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:15,520 Speaker 1: they hit the extra point, and you push the extra 627 00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:18,640 Speaker 1: point from and by the way, it's in Cleveland where 628 00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:22,360 Speaker 1: it's negative eight degrees. You push the extra point, so 629 00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:28,920 Speaker 1: you lose it over my chair because I'm hanging on 630 00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:32,239 Speaker 1: the chair. Because this extra point means everything for the 631 00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:37,680 Speaker 1: extra point game before that, you'd be like too much. 632 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:40,279 Speaker 1: So what Dan wants is an extra point that's automatic, 633 00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:43,239 Speaker 1: that there's no drama to it. I say, this is 634 00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:46,759 Speaker 1: I'm fine totally getting rid of the extra point, which 635 00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:49,040 Speaker 1: was the whole idea of this is the future was 636 00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:57,120 Speaker 1: seven or six points. But if the choices keep the 637 00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:59,359 Speaker 1: system as it is now, which is pointless, or add 638 00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:02,359 Speaker 1: this forty yardy I like it, but it's a field 639 00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:05,719 Speaker 1: goal and they're proposing potentially forty two? What is wrong 640 00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:10,160 Speaker 1: with the thirty five? Why do we need and then 641 00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:14,000 Speaker 1: meet in the middle of Yeah, I mean stands like 642 00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:18,319 Speaker 1: this is too much excitement, too much tension. You don't 643 00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:20,560 Speaker 1: love the game the way I love the game, apparently. 644 00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:24,319 Speaker 1: I love the purity of the great game that Vince 645 00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:28,799 Speaker 1: Lombardi loved, and I'm on the side of Lombardi. There 646 00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:32,520 Speaker 1: you go. I love that the NFL stands alone among 647 00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:34,960 Speaker 1: sports and that if they can find a way to 648 00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:38,919 Speaker 1: make it more exciting, they do. And you know what else, 649 00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:40,600 Speaker 1: I don't know. The game made a lot of changes 650 00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:42,960 Speaker 1: to the XFL. Should we just start doing stuff like that, 651 00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:45,000 Speaker 1: like place the ball at the fifty and then two 652 00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:47,279 Speaker 1: idiots run at each other and get the ball. We 653 00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:50,360 Speaker 1: gonna do that. Corolla has the idea to do a 654 00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:53,640 Speaker 1: trident where you try to hit hit something in the 655 00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:56,759 Speaker 1: middle of the coal post and that's like three or 656 00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:00,759 Speaker 1: that's like another point. That's exciting that I like, you 657 00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:02,920 Speaker 1: know what I mean? And you have another pole in 658 00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:04,880 Speaker 1: the middle. If you go for the middle one, you 659 00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:07,560 Speaker 1: hit it right on, you get another extra point on top. 660 00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:09,080 Speaker 1: There should be two poles in the middle with a 661 00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:12,319 Speaker 1: really skinny zone there, right, That would be fun too. Well, 662 00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:14,480 Speaker 1: it's like you guys could turn it into rock and 663 00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:21,000 Speaker 1: Jock football. Go ahead. I like Never, which I like 664 00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:23,680 Speaker 1: in all the years of knowing him, Never wouldn't detected existence. 665 00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:26,920 Speaker 1: That team just franchised the kickers. So it's really like, 666 00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:29,319 Speaker 1: did you used to prefer it when people used hey 667 00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:35,360 Speaker 1: as thigh pads? Yes? I did? All right? Before we 668 00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:38,960 Speaker 1: go today, we figured it's always fun. Slipped back into 669 00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:42,839 Speaker 1: the lab because Gold said, and you know, people love 670 00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:46,040 Speaker 1: the lab. People love the scientists getting at each other, 671 00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:49,799 Speaker 1: and let's go downstairs and get heading into the lab. 672 00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:55,800 Speaker 1: There we are, mark you behind. We're now in the 673 00:36:55,920 --> 00:37:01,400 Speaker 1: lab downstairs. Hear that we're gonna talk a little bit 674 00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:05,840 Speaker 1: about the top ten wide receivers. The free agency primer 675 00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,839 Speaker 1: that's upset on our website. This was written by Chris 676 00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:10,960 Speaker 1: Westling the post we have up today. But this is 677 00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:14,680 Speaker 1: a list that was compiled by Gregg and west Again, 678 00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:19,040 Speaker 1: right right, Mark, do you want to go over that 679 00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:21,759 Speaker 1: list or read out the top ten? All right, let's 680 00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:24,360 Speaker 1: do it real quick in in a in a class 681 00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:27,200 Speaker 1: of their own. According to Chris Wesley, those are his 682 00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:30,439 Speaker 1: words exactly. Yes, that's the subheading class of their own. 683 00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:35,120 Speaker 1: Eric Decker and Hakim Knicks moving down to the solid 684 00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:39,600 Speaker 1: starter category. We've got at the top golden tape, followed 685 00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:44,480 Speaker 1: by James Jones, Julian Edelman, and Emmanuel Sanders. Can we 686 00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:47,480 Speaker 1: can we put the let's stay down there? We're still 687 00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:50,560 Speaker 1: down here in the bubble in the bubbles down there 688 00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:56,520 Speaker 1: in the final heat starters with questions according to the 689 00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:59,799 Speaker 1: professor Westling or I guess scientists Westling on a professing 690 00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:05,080 Speaker 1: doctor Sydney Rice, if you can still function physically? Followed 691 00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:07,719 Speaker 1: by Andre Roberts. Sydney Rice is on this list? This 692 00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:10,240 Speaker 1: is grim, this is ugly. It goes to Kenny Britt 693 00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:15,239 Speaker 1: and then Ted Kin questions is Ryan Westling's britt obsession 694 00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:19,480 Speaker 1: has officially gone off the tracks that he somehow made 695 00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:23,360 Speaker 1: a starters with questions. That's a lot of questions. What 696 00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:26,160 Speaker 1: are the questions? Am I am? I crazy? Like? That's that? 697 00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:29,040 Speaker 1: That makes no sense? That's a good point I did. 698 00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:34,200 Speaker 1: I did that heading put Kenny ahead of Jacoby Ford. 699 00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:38,839 Speaker 1: I mean, who would you want in there without Kenny Brice? Well, 700 00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:42,279 Speaker 1: I don't like the heading starters with questions. Well, you're 701 00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:45,960 Speaker 1: the boss co changer, all right? The scientists, there's no 702 00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:49,759 Speaker 1: here is there? Is there any way? We look back 703 00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:54,680 Speaker 1: on this group and we say, I can't believe we 704 00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:58,479 Speaker 1: ever thought Eric Decker was better than hokeim Nick's sure, 705 00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:00,640 Speaker 1: there's a chance we do that. If if a team 706 00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:03,920 Speaker 1: knicks ever gets his legs back, then we would say that. 707 00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:06,920 Speaker 1: And if Decker lands as we as you said before, 708 00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:09,560 Speaker 1: with the wrong type of team that overpays for him, 709 00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:13,200 Speaker 1: he will vanish. Well, let's let's throw it to YouTube. 710 00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:15,279 Speaker 1: Dan and Mark, I know you don't have your lab 711 00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:17,759 Speaker 1: You do wear lab coats, act well, well, we wear 712 00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:22,280 Speaker 1: hard hats always in safety goggles. You root for NFL 713 00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:26,040 Speaker 1: franchises that play football that have a need at wide receiver. 714 00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:31,400 Speaker 1: Would you rather have your team signed Decker or Nick? Uh? 715 00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:35,160 Speaker 1: Well as the money, it's comparable. Comparable, Well, let's say 716 00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:36,800 Speaker 1: Nick is a little less because he should be. Like, 717 00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:40,040 Speaker 1: if it's comparable, I'm going with Decker just because I thought. 718 00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:41,799 Speaker 1: I don't know. I didn't get a good vibe from 719 00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:44,319 Speaker 1: Nicks in those last two years of the Giants, even 720 00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:46,799 Speaker 1: beyond the injuries. I don't really like how he kind 721 00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:51,120 Speaker 1: of handled carried himself in the media and kind of 722 00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:53,040 Speaker 1: just got a little bit of bad vibe. So I like, 723 00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:55,719 Speaker 1: I'd give Decker shot. I want to see Dan's big 724 00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:59,480 Speaker 1: board for free agency. All the measurables like hands, strength, 725 00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:04,080 Speaker 1: vibe doesn't get a check in the vibe catt vibe 726 00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:07,319 Speaker 1: is incredibly important in life, then all factors of life. 727 00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:10,360 Speaker 1: I have a tough time with Decker in Cleveland, if 728 00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:12,919 Speaker 1: that's what you're asking me. If they were to take 729 00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:16,840 Speaker 1: Sammy Watkins number four, have a quarterback, have Gordon and 730 00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:19,920 Speaker 1: Decker and it all worked out, which is far fetched, 731 00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:23,880 Speaker 1: I like Decker. Otherwise I go Knicks. You like him 732 00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:25,960 Speaker 1: only if he's a number three wide receivers. That's the 733 00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:28,120 Speaker 1: last time a King Nicks made a play, because I 734 00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:30,640 Speaker 1: can tell you when Eric Decker was making plays. I 735 00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:32,880 Speaker 1: just think that Decker is the guy that we're going 736 00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:34,640 Speaker 1: to look back on. I hope I'm wrong for his 737 00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:38,160 Speaker 1: sake and the sake of his press family. Decker gets 738 00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:42,480 Speaker 1: no respect in this podcast studio. But I will tell 739 00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:45,120 Speaker 1: you that you also said yourself, West, where do they? 740 00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:47,000 Speaker 1: Where are the Giants? If a Keem Knicks isn't on 741 00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:49,200 Speaker 1: that super Bowl team, that second super Bowl team, you 742 00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:51,520 Speaker 1: know where they are, where they've been the last two years. 743 00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:57,080 Speaker 1: Maybe maybe we're Maybe I'm becoming one of those general 744 00:40:57,160 --> 00:41:00,719 Speaker 1: managers that evaluates these free agents based on what they 745 00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,440 Speaker 1: did in college. Maybe came Nick's that guy from a 746 00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:05,440 Speaker 1: couple of years ago that I thought was gonna be 747 00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:08,799 Speaker 1: a top five wide receiver. And if we had been 748 00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:12,400 Speaker 1: placing bets after two thousand eleven, who is more important 749 00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:15,000 Speaker 1: who's gonna get signed first, Nicks or Cruise, you would 750 00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:17,839 Speaker 1: have definitely thought it would be Hakim Nicks. Nicks at 751 00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:20,520 Speaker 1: full health, it's one of the top five or six 752 00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:24,920 Speaker 1: wide receivers in the NFL's who want. But he's not 753 00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:28,239 Speaker 1: that guy anymore. And even when he was at full health, 754 00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:29,839 Speaker 1: it was only for a few games at a time. 755 00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:35,040 Speaker 1: He's had hip, ankle, knee, five, every part of your 756 00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:37,800 Speaker 1: leg you could possibly go wrong. Nick's had multiple instance. 757 00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:39,920 Speaker 1: It's just that he's been banged up. You think he's 758 00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:42,919 Speaker 1: breaking down at age six or whatever. I'm saying. Even 759 00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:46,120 Speaker 1: if he gets healthy and ever shows playmaking ability again, 760 00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:49,000 Speaker 1: he'll probably get injured shortly thereafter. I guess we're on 761 00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:51,000 Speaker 1: coming from his I don't view either as a guy 762 00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:54,480 Speaker 1: I want to go tout around. Is my big wide 763 00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:57,400 Speaker 1: receiver signing and then hey, we're gonna center our passing 764 00:41:57,440 --> 00:41:59,080 Speaker 1: game around this guy? Neither one of them. Let me 765 00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:02,200 Speaker 1: ask one more question off this top ten list in 766 00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:07,120 Speaker 1: the much maligned subhead stars with questions, uh Sydney, Rice, 767 00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:12,640 Speaker 1: Andre Roberts, Kenny Britt Tedgin. Choose one of that list 768 00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:17,520 Speaker 1: that will actually become a big time playmaker this year 769 00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:21,480 Speaker 1: who was most likely to surprise? I would I if 770 00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:23,120 Speaker 1: I had to give, I would give none them a 771 00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:25,320 Speaker 1: long term deal. But I would like to add Roberts 772 00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:27,040 Speaker 1: to the to a team and see what he can do. 773 00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:29,960 Speaker 1: I I the rest of them all feel if they're 774 00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:33,080 Speaker 1: not locker room cancer type material, they are just too 775 00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:36,640 Speaker 1: far gone. The only one that's like that is Britt Right. 776 00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:39,200 Speaker 1: I mean there's not written. I cannot fathom how I 777 00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:41,160 Speaker 1: would be hired by a team to add Britt to 778 00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:43,960 Speaker 1: my roster. I would Sidney Rice is probably in Switzerland 779 00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:45,960 Speaker 1: right now having his knees replaces. I'm not saying locker 780 00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:47,759 Speaker 1: room cancer for all them, but like with Rice, there's 781 00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:50,759 Speaker 1: major health issues. It's a giant question mark. We talked 782 00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:53,600 Speaker 1: about Team Nicks making sense for the Panthers. What about 783 00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:57,280 Speaker 1: Sydney Rice from North Carolina went to school at South Carolina. 784 00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:00,319 Speaker 1: If he can play for more than fours and that's 785 00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:02,160 Speaker 1: the issue. I take a shot with Rice as a 786 00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:04,640 Speaker 1: two or three, and the price is gonna be right. 787 00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:08,680 Speaker 1: He might be a lot less expensive than guys like 788 00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:11,520 Speaker 1: take What do you think do you think Sydney Right 789 00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:12,880 Speaker 1: is gonna get paid a lot? I don't know. I 790 00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:15,480 Speaker 1: don't don't no. I think he's gonna get a one 791 00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:18,520 Speaker 1: year deal and it'll probably for one to two millions. 792 00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:20,080 Speaker 1: I don't think any of these guys are gonna get 793 00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:24,440 Speaker 1: paid a lot. Might Jones, Edelman and Sanders They're not 794 00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:26,600 Speaker 1: going to get that much money. They're nice role players. 795 00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:29,880 Speaker 1: One might pay for Sanders all over the map on 796 00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,279 Speaker 1: him in the NFL, and I agree with Margo on 797 00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:34,920 Speaker 1: Andre Roberts. If someone would have told you last year 798 00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:36,640 Speaker 1: at this time that Edelman was a better player than 799 00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:38,840 Speaker 1: Andre Roberts, you would have asked what they were smoking. 800 00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:42,960 Speaker 1: You would have gotten answers to this one of the 801 00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:47,640 Speaker 1: Maybe that's the sound in the background right now. This 802 00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:49,839 Speaker 1: is what people do in the NFL. It's what did 803 00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:53,200 Speaker 1: you do last year. Everyone assumes that two thousand thirteen 804 00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:55,480 Speaker 1: stats will carry over, and they don't. That's not how 805 00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:57,960 Speaker 1: the NFL works. Well, maybe then James Jones could be 806 00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:01,680 Speaker 1: a touchdown. James Jones for as bad a year as 807 00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:03,520 Speaker 1: he had, I think he had a career hiding yards. 808 00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:06,919 Speaker 1: James Jones was okay, he's product. He doesn't have great hands. 809 00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:09,160 Speaker 1: He stopped separating halfway through the year, and it's not 810 00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:11,480 Speaker 1: really his fault. He had a torn PCL around the 811 00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:14,080 Speaker 1: league's Dan Hansis will be speaking with James Jones at 812 00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:16,960 Speaker 1: NFL Network studios on Tuesday, and I'll report back to 813 00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:18,560 Speaker 1: you guys what I get out of him. I like 814 00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:20,680 Speaker 1: James Jones and I think he'll make for a great signing. 815 00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:23,239 Speaker 1: You can tell him. I said that I will let 816 00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:27,200 Speaker 1: him know. He was wearing some fancy orange pants. I 817 00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:29,480 Speaker 1: thought they were like gold. It was like these packers 818 00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:31,760 Speaker 1: don't give up on look like he was selling sherbet. 819 00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:37,319 Speaker 1: I'm color by. Oh that's right, let's not anymore. Yeah, 820 00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:42,280 Speaker 1: all right, let's go upstairs. We're gonna leave the labs. 821 00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:46,319 Speaker 1: Who's who's in charge of up keep down there? Well, 822 00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:48,279 Speaker 1: that's a mystery. I think these guys, I don't think 823 00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:53,640 Speaker 1: when you have been asking where lylesmen, we put him 824 00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:56,440 Speaker 1: in the lab. We let people know where what Lyle 825 00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:59,560 Speaker 1: is all about. He is an ogre that's been hanging 826 00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:03,680 Speaker 1: out in the lab too long. Some strange things growing 827 00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:06,000 Speaker 1: off of his head. It's just we have to keep 828 00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:07,680 Speaker 1: him out of it. That's why he's always missed everything 829 00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:11,040 Speaker 1: up um, all right, before we go west, real quick 830 00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:15,040 Speaker 1: update on the map. Were meant to order it last night, 831 00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:20,120 Speaker 1: I promise you. But the map for for our listeners, Well, 832 00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:23,480 Speaker 1: we have all these listeners from different points of the globe, 833 00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:30,680 Speaker 1: a lot from United Kingdom, Australia, We've had some Finland, German, African, 834 00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:32,759 Speaker 1: we have people from all over. So I'm going to 835 00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:34,840 Speaker 1: buy a map. We're gonna put it in the podcast 836 00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:37,799 Speaker 1: studio place pins in all of the places where people 837 00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:39,840 Speaker 1: have told us they're from. You said this was a 838 00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:43,000 Speaker 1: off season project. We are now we're in the off season. 839 00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:45,600 Speaker 1: I'm just at a certain point and results are you know. 840 00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:48,760 Speaker 1: I was told that this was a post combine project. 841 00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:51,200 Speaker 1: We are now post combine. I will, I promise you, 842 00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:58,719 Speaker 1: I will head it clear. This is post combine. If 843 00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:02,839 Speaker 1: Wesleyan is gonna be late delivering something, I I'd rather 844 00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:06,839 Speaker 1: be this than the free Agent primer. I will order 845 00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:10,680 Speaker 1: it tonight and uh, you know, I'm an Amazon Prime member. 846 00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:13,480 Speaker 1: I'll have it delivered as soon as possible as you 847 00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:16,120 Speaker 1: may or man No does not shop your refuses to 848 00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:20,840 Speaker 1: everything done online. He's a man of the future, you know, 849 00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:26,040 Speaker 1: because there's people out there they're the worst. I like 850 00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:29,520 Speaker 1: that you wear this Amberson Prime membership like you're like 851 00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:37,680 Speaker 1: a select member of an elite club. It's like Wilford Brimley. 852 00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:42,759 Speaker 1: Do you get paid for each reference? I could. I 853 00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:45,440 Speaker 1: could see if the podcast ever truly took off and 854 00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:48,280 Speaker 1: became famous and then it eventually disappeared through the sands 855 00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:50,440 Speaker 1: of time, and West would be able to milk his 856 00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:52,280 Speaker 1: celebrity to do like you know every one. So I'll 857 00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:55,920 Speaker 1: see like Wilford Brimley like selling gold coins, I can 858 00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:58,960 Speaker 1: see West doing some type of commercial hawking coins. Is 859 00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:02,200 Speaker 1: the former as a man who would be happy to 860 00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:05,040 Speaker 1: do a commercial. Yes, I don't think. I don't think 861 00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:07,160 Speaker 1: I'm a commercial guy. You'd be a change person at 862 00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:11,480 Speaker 1: that point, though, that's true a young Wilford business. I 863 00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:18,320 Speaker 1: don't know. That's a compliment. Wow. On that note. On 864 00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:21,480 Speaker 1: that note, we will be back on Wednesday, as we 865 00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:24,759 Speaker 1: always are, will continue to talk about free agency, which 866 00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:27,960 Speaker 1: is getting closer and closer every day, UM and any 867 00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:30,920 Speaker 1: other news and you know, whatever else is happening until them. 868 00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:32,920 Speaker 1: This is Dan Hansons signing off with the mailman, the 869 00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:36,400 Speaker 1: sizzler to the boss, the gold standards behind the glass 870 00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:39,080 Speaker 1: and uh. While Dan turned down in the dungeon lab 871 00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:46,480 Speaker 1: until Wednesday. My job is to find I get things done. 872 00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:47,120 Speaker 1: What is that