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Speaker 1: Thirty birds. What's up and welcome to another edition of

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Speaker 1: Falcons Final Whistle presented by Zaxby's. I'm your host Will McFadden.

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Speaker 1: I am joined brighton early by Tory mclaney. We were,

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Speaker 1: you know, just so excited to talk about the Matthew

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Speaker 1: Judan agreed to terms acquisition, which we can say, you

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Speaker 1: know now there were reports yesterday it's all been good

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Speaker 1: to go. So Tory walk us through just kind of

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Speaker 1: what this all means for Atlanta and how it went down.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so you have to start, you know, Brailan Tries

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Speaker 2: gets put on IR, and that's very, very unfortunate for

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Speaker 2: a lot of reasons because I think there are a

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Speaker 2: lot of people Will and myself included, that was really

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Speaker 2: excited to see what Braylen Tries could do with this

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Speaker 2: Falcons team, who's really establishing himself as a true leader

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Speaker 2: in the clubhouse in camp and was doing some really

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Speaker 2: really good things. And then freak step back Tears is

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Speaker 2: ACL and now he's on IR and we won't see

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Speaker 2: Braylen Trice until twenty twenty five, and so that kind

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Speaker 2: of threw a kink into the Falcon's planet outside Linebacker

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Speaker 2: because that was really the one move that they made

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Speaker 2: at EDG Dresher in this offseason, it was the only

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Speaker 2: one that you really felt like that was the move

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Speaker 2: that meant the most to the rotation, potentially the production.

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Speaker 3: Now that's out the window. So what did the Falcons

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Speaker 3: do Well?

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Speaker 2: They get on the phone with New England and Matthew

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Speaker 2: Judon is someone who has been in the news cycle

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Speaker 2: over the course of the last summer, especially with him

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Speaker 2: having one more year on his contract with New England.

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Speaker 2: He's coming off of a pretty significant season ending injury

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Speaker 2: and in twenty twenty three, but before that, this is

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Speaker 2: somebody who was lighting up the leak. We're talking about

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Speaker 2: a four time pro bowler. We're talking about someone who

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Speaker 2: in the two years before the injury in twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: three had double digit sacks back to back years. He

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Speaker 2: was I mean, he was putting up monster numbers and

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Speaker 2: he was somebody who I think if you're the Falcons,

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Speaker 2: you're really really excited to get because of the fact

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Speaker 2: of the matter is is like, Will We've been around

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Speaker 2: this team for a very very long time, and how

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Speaker 2: long have we been talking about a veteran Edgresher with

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Speaker 2: this caliber of a statistical line joining the team, Like

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Speaker 2: we've been talking. We've been talking about this for years for.

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Speaker 1: A very it's my whole lifetime, Tori. It's like forever,

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Speaker 1: it like this. So it was supposed to happen with

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Speaker 1: Ray Edwards, right, No, it didn't happen with Ray Edwards.

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Speaker 1: It's really honestly, like and you and I have been

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Speaker 1: talking a little bit about the two thousand and four

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Speaker 1: team recently, like going back to Patrick Kearney, and I

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Speaker 1: know John Abraham was kind of the last, like he

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Speaker 1: is the last player of this caliber that the Falcons

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Speaker 1: brought in externally. Right, So it's been two decades since

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Speaker 1: the Falcons really have had kind of that true guy

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Speaker 1: that you look on the edge and says hey, or

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Speaker 1: say hey, there's name value here, Like I know who

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Speaker 1: that player is, and more importantly, the other team knows

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Speaker 1: really who this player is and what he can do

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Speaker 1: to impact the game. And you mentioned kind of the

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Speaker 1: double digit sacks. So we'll kind of set aside the

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty three season, as you mentioned he was injured.

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Speaker 1: He only played four games last year. But you go

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Speaker 1: back to twenty twenty two, he was ninth in Defensive

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Speaker 1: The year before that he had twelve and a half sacks.

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Speaker 1: So this is a player who when you talk about

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Speaker 1: adding jews to the pass rush, and even when you

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Speaker 1: then provide you with a little bit more of that

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Speaker 1: juice on third down. And that's kind of Matthew Judon

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Speaker 1: to me is like, and we'll get to the numbers

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Speaker 1: is that this is going to help the Falcons pass rush,

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Speaker 1: but he is going to be an early down monster

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Speaker 1: And that is very hyperbolic, I'm aware, but like you

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Speaker 1: you get very excited for what is possible in this defense.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you go back to kind of this name

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Speaker 2: recognition piece in how opposing quarterbacks know who this guy is.

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Speaker 2: Opposing offensive coordinators, opposing offensive line, they are well aware

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Speaker 2: of the name Matthew Judon. I mean, he was what

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Speaker 2: ran He's voted as the thirty third best player in

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Speaker 1: Just players in NFL players.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, by all NFL players in twenty twenty two going

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Speaker 3: Like that, that matters.

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Speaker 2: That stuff matters, And I think when you look at

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Speaker 2: what the Falcons did to get him, they obviously agreed

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Speaker 2: to terms with New England to send a twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: five third round pick in exchange for Matthew Judin, And

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Speaker 2: if you're looking at that trade just straight up, I

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Speaker 2: think this is a very very good move by Terry

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Speaker 2: Fontineau and the entire Falcons front office. Yeah, the Falcons

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Speaker 2: tampering penalty, So that that's all they're already without that

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Speaker 3: Now you're without a third round pick. But if you

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Speaker 2: What Terry Fontae, Raheem Morris, Arthur Blank have said time

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Speaker 2: and timing in is that they believe that this roster

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Speaker 2: is made to win. Now, if you truly believe that,

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Speaker 2: you go out and you get Matthew Judon and you

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Speaker 2: do what you gotta do to get him on the roster.

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Speaker 2: And that's what they did, because, let's be honest, nothing

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Speaker 2: against the other outside linebackers on this team, but they

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Speaker 2: needed a boost, especially with Brayln Trice having a season

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Speaker 2: ending injury. You needed somebody who could come in and

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Speaker 2: make a difference immediately, and that's Matthew.

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Speaker 1: Judon absolutely, And I mean it remains to be seen

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Speaker 1: how kind of all the contract stuff is going to

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Speaker 1: work out, salary cap implications like how long, if past

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Speaker 1: this year, Matthew Judon will will be a Falcon. So

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Speaker 1: that is all for the future, but you're right in

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Speaker 1: the immediate sense, he provides a big boost off of

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Speaker 1: the edge. Given what we've seen, especially kind of in Miami,

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Speaker 1: the way the defensive line was playing, This just should

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Speaker 1: further add to the excitement when you get a guy

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Speaker 1: then you're hoping to see a step from Arnold abc

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Speaker 1: maybe DiAngelo Malone can kind of raise his level a

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Speaker 1: You know, I know that special teams he was making

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Speaker 1: a case, but like, let's hope that's infectious. So there's

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Speaker 1: options here. But when you feel better about like kind

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Speaker 1: And that's where it was a lot to maybe ask

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Speaker 1: of Braylan Trice in YR one. But it's very clear

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Speaker 1: to me the style that Matthew Judon brain is similar

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Speaker 1: you almost did it backwards a little bit. You got

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Speaker 1: kind of like the younger player. Now you're going to

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Speaker 1: get the guy that you envisioned that you modeled the

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Speaker 1: but again it's kind of that early down stuff for

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Speaker 1: me that I just when I look at what Matthew

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Speaker 1: Judon is going to mean, I can see the Falcons

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Speaker 1: changes the math. That kind of changes the calculus when

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Speaker 1: planning or an offensive coordinator and you understand that this

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Speaker 1: is going to be a game where we're going to

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Speaker 1: find ourselves in a lot of third and five plus

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Speaker 1: and that's not a life you really want to live.

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Speaker 1: So as we look ahead, kind of do you think

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Speaker 1: kind of a step in the right direction for you? Tori?

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Speaker 2: So I think when I look at this, and of

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Speaker 2: course we're talking about this move within sixteen hours of

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Speaker 2: the news breaking, so it's still all very for USh, still.

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Speaker 3: All very new.

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Speaker 2: I a lot of times have a hard time being

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Speaker 3: But because it's Matthew Judon.

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Speaker 2: I kind of do feel a bit more optimistic specifically

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Speaker 2: about what this could mean for Atlanta's pastorsh just simply

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Speaker 2: because of what we have seen this man do time

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Speaker 2: five years of his career. So to answer the question, yes,

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Speaker 2: I do see him making an immediate effect. I do

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Speaker 2: see like the the fact that you infuse him into

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Speaker 2: you think differently about what the Falcons can do and

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Speaker 2: what type of production we should expect from them. Even

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Speaker 2: though Matthew Judon is coming off of again a season

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Speaker 2: ending injury, We've seen players come back from worse and

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Speaker 3: I'm curious to see just if we pull back a

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Speaker 2: You've gone, you've acquired Matthew Judon. What are you gonna

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Speaker 2: do now? I think to help the secondary because this

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Speaker 3: It's ability.

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Speaker 2: If you're you're getting a quarterback uncomfortable, that automatically helps

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Speaker 2: the secondary. But I'm curious to see what the future

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Speaker 2: holds for the secondary, knowing that, Okay, DeMarco Helms is

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Speaker 2: for a significant period of time, We've acquired Matthew Judon

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Speaker 3: So how does that.

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Speaker 2: Kind of trickle effect what moves can still be made

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Speaker 2: at safety? Specifically, are their names out there? Are there

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Speaker 2: I think this is also a simultaneous conversation that needs

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Speaker 2: to be had while we're even talking about this Matthew

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm ready for some actual football. You know

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Speaker 3: So I can't help but kind of make that.

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Speaker 2: I'm excited to get Matthew Judon in here and actually

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Speaker 1: Let's go win some freaking football games and take care

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Speaker 1: to add before we get out of here, toy, No, just.

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Speaker 2: Follow along all the things that we're doing at Atlanta

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Speaker 2: Falcons dot com because we're kind of team no.

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Speaker 3: Sleep over here. We've really been grinding.

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Speaker 2: A lot through training camp and this acquisition, this agreed

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Speaker 3: And the grind don't stop.

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Speaker 2: So make sure you're checking everything out, following us on

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Speaker 1: The grind keeps on going. But thank you guys so

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Speaker 1: get out of here. This has been Falcons Final Whistle,

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Speaker 1: presented by Zaxby's for Tory mclaney. I'm Will McFadden. We'll

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