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Speaker 1: There is nothing better than a football Friday. It is

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Speaker 1: week two. The home opener is in two days. Welcome

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Speaker 1: Bird Gang. On today's show, Zach Gershman joins me. Cardinals

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Speaker 1: hosts the Giants on Sunday. Who needs to have a

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Speaker 1: big day and helps secure that first win of the season. Also,

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Speaker 1: we head into enemy territory. We get the Giants perspective

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Speaker 1: on this week's matchup. It's Cardinals Cover two, Episode six

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Speaker 1: seventy three, and it starts now.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Cardinals Cover two.

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Speaker 3: Hood to Baker, What Heart?

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Speaker 2: What rent?

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Speaker 1: This guy's unbelievable.

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Speaker 2: Cardinals Cover two is presented by Hyundai, proud partner of

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Speaker 2: the Arizona Cardinals, and by Arizona Cardinals Podcasts. Visit Azycardinals

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Speaker 2: dot com slash podcasts.

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Speaker 3: He's a ten half of five. He's it again, So

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Speaker 3: more hurry magic.

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Speaker 2: WHOA, here's Craig griolud.

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Speaker 1: So before we get into the matchup of the week,

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Speaker 1: Cardinals against the Giants in the home opener for the Cardinals,

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Speaker 1: you learn something new every day when you have a

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Speaker 1: brand new employee, and I learned something new earlier this

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Speaker 1: week about our very own Zach Kershman, The nickname, which

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Speaker 1: might have been a surprise to you as well. But walking, well,

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Speaker 1: actually not walking, but standing in the locker room during

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Speaker 1: media availability, Kaiser White walks by, Philly. What's up. It's like, Philly, Oh,

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Speaker 1: that's you. So apparently now we'll just start calling you

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Speaker 1: Philly around the office.

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Speaker 4: It was a.

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Speaker 3: Surprise to me as well. And when I came here,

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Speaker 3: one of the first things we had to do was

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Speaker 3: media day when all the players came in and we

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Speaker 3: did all the photo shoots with them, and I was

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Speaker 3: doing a story about just the excitement before training camp,

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Speaker 3: and Kaiier White was one of the guys I spoke to,

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Speaker 3: and we were talking a little bit about how he

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Speaker 3: came from Philly, me growing up in Philadelphia. We live

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Speaker 3: only about He has an apartment in Philadelphia, which is

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Speaker 3: only about fifteen twenty minutes away from my house, so

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Speaker 3: we kind of built that connection, I guess, from then.

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Speaker 3: And I'm not sure if he knows the name at

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Speaker 3: right now. He might not know that I'm Zach Gershman,

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Speaker 3: but the Philadelphia ties definitely have stuck out to him.

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Speaker 3: So listen, I'll take it. At least I'm memorable. In

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Speaker 3: some cases, it doesn't matter.

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Speaker 1: I've learned in this business, whether an athlete knows your

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Speaker 1: name or not, it's always nice because it makes you

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Speaker 1: feel good. Oh yeah, But as long as they recognize

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Speaker 1: you know who you are, who you work for, who

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Speaker 1: as far as being able to talk to that athlete exactly.

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Speaker 3: And I think the kind of head scratching moment that

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Speaker 3: came from this was the fact that Clayton Tune walked in.

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Speaker 3: I met Clayton Tune prior, also at that media day,

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Speaker 3: but I was introduced to him. We had mutual connections

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Speaker 3: through people he worked out with that had Penn State ties.

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Speaker 3: And he comes in, Hey, Zach, how are you? And

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Speaker 3: then it was Kaisier coming in, give me a little

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Speaker 3: tap on the back, saying, Hey, Philly, what's going on?

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Speaker 3: And that's when you and I were kind of like,

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Speaker 3: what is happening right now?

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Speaker 1: And then of course there's Jesse Luketta as well, and

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Speaker 1: you guys are best budds.

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Speaker 3: We've established We've established that I listen, Craig, I've I've

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Speaker 3: limited myself. I told myself, I'm not going to talk

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Speaker 1: But you sent me up. I opened the door for

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Speaker 1: this mention, So just consider yourself lucky.

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Speaker 3: Thank you. I appreciate it. But no, Jesse Yuketta seems

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Speaker 1: And there's a reason I bring this up because I

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Speaker 1: I think it is important you establish those relationships and

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Speaker 1: Giants radio pre and postgame and podcast host for a

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Speaker 1: deeper dive into this matchup. But Kaizier the leader of

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Speaker 1: Three takeaways, six sacs, seven passes. Defense you held a

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Speaker 3: We spoke about just now they were effective. They got

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Speaker 3: And Johnathangannon spoke about how for a defense you want

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Speaker 4: right away, but they kept working and they kept working

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Speaker 4: and they got there. And when they play a guy

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Speaker 4: like Howell, a rookie who's going to hold the ball

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Speaker 4: a little bit, you know, you play that way and

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Speaker 4: I think that's going to go a long way towards

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Speaker 4: helping you get home. And even though there aren't names,

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Speaker 4: I think you saw them play kind of that hy

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Speaker 4: nine formation. I thought they really put those Edge guys

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Speaker 4: out wide, which really gave them some one on one

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Speaker 4: opportunities and wouldn't really impress you the most even though

446
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Speaker 4: you guys were keeping your two safeties deep for most

447
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Speaker 4: of the game, you played a ton of quarters and

448
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Speaker 4: Cover two and you weren't bringing that safety into the box.

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Speaker 4: Plus you were playing those edge players so wide outside

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Speaker 4: those tackles, you would have figured Washington would be able

451
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Speaker 4: to run it up the middle. But because you're white,

452
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Speaker 4: did a great job shutting down the inside run game

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Speaker 4: and your defensive tackle. So that's what really impressed me

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Speaker 4: most about that zone. Now, you guys are able to

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Speaker 4: keep those two safeties deep, prevent those big plays, but

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Speaker 4: still stop the run up the middle. And that's another

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Speaker 4: challenge you're going to have against Saquon Barkley on Sunday,

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Speaker 4: because I'm sure the Giants are going to try to

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Speaker 4: get that run game going.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm glad you brought that up. We had a

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Speaker 1: chance to hear from Buddabaker on Thursday, and that is

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Speaker 1: priority number one for the Cardinals defensively, is stopping or

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Speaker 1: at least limiting Saquon Barkley. I saw this earlier in

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Speaker 1: the week. John, the Giants two to ten when Barkley

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Speaker 1: gets fifteen or fewer touches, and he had fifteen touches

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Speaker 1: exactly on Sunday. What are you hearing the plans for

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Speaker 1: him against the Cardinals this week?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I think what happened in Week one

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Speaker 4: was was more game flow than anything else. Right, they

470
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Speaker 4: were down sixteen to nothing in the first quarter and

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Speaker 4: then it only got worse, so you really can't. It's

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Speaker 4: hard to stick to the run when you're down three

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Speaker 4: scores in the first half. So I think that's why

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Speaker 4: his touches are down. He's still average about four yards

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Speaker 4: per carrying that game, so he ran the ball fine,

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Speaker 4: And I would expect that much like the Giants played

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Speaker 4: last year against the Bears and the Texans, they are

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Speaker 4: going to try to get back to basics. They're gonna

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Speaker 4: try to run the football orre and play action off

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Speaker 4: of those runs. And you know, I'm not gonna say conservative,

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Speaker 4: but I would say have a prudent game plan, or

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Speaker 4: maybe you don't expose that offensive line to as many

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Speaker 4: true pass sets, right with a bunch of five and

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Speaker 4: seven step drop straight dropbacks, and you try to run

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Speaker 4: the football and you run off play action and things

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Speaker 4: like that, some readoption stuff, get the ball out quick,

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Speaker 4: some RPOs and you try to operate that way.

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Speaker 1: Let's switch it over to the Giants defense. What concerns

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Speaker 1: them about the Cardinals coming up this week?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and by the way, just the other thing too.

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Speaker 4: The Cardinals defense is going to be very familiar with

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Speaker 4: the Giants offense. Is their head coach and defensive coordinator

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Speaker 4: obviously played them three times last year too, So I

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Speaker 4: think there's a little bit of a cat mouse game there,

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Speaker 4: which I think is which I think is interesting. I'm

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Speaker 4: interested in how how the Cardinals handled the Giants interior

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Speaker 4: pass rush. You know, the best part of their defense

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Speaker 4: is their front inside with Dexter Lawrence and Leonard Williams.

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Speaker 4: Even though Dexter Lawrence they don't have a sack against Dallas,

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Speaker 4: did have two quarterback hits. He was still in the backfield. Willandez,

501
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Speaker 4: who obviously is a former Giant. Those guys practice against

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Speaker 4: each other many times here with the Giants. So those

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Speaker 4: two guys, I'm sure we'll have a chance to go

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Speaker 4: up against each other. Same thing with lender Williams looking

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Speaker 4: forward to that and then Ken the Giants dead rushers

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Speaker 4: get going Azizo Julari was added an injury report. He

507
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Speaker 4: was limited with the hamstring and yesterday's practice, you know

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Speaker 4: him and Keevon Thibodeau did not sniff the quarterback in

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Speaker 4: Week one, So I watching the game last week, you

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Speaker 4: guys were trying to get the ball out of Dobbs's

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Speaker 4: hands quickly, so it might be hard to get home.

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Speaker 4: But the Giants are going to try to control, especially

513
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Speaker 4: the inside of that defensive line and front area, and

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Speaker 4: that's where Dexter Lawrence dominates. And then you know, how

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Speaker 4: do the Giants two outside cornerbacks and if they're in

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Speaker 4: nickel Adori Jackson, their veteran's gonna move inside, and their

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Speaker 4: two outside corners, Trey Hawkins and Deontay Banks are going

518
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Speaker 4: to be rookies. They did pretty well in Week one,

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Speaker 4: though Trey Hawkins got called for a couple penalties, including

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Speaker 4: one long pass interference. Deontay Banks got called for a

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Speaker 4: legal contact penalty in that game. Otherwise he played pretty well.

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Speaker 4: How do they handle the speed that the Cardinals have

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Speaker 4: outside and Marci's Brown in rondo more and frankly, how

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Speaker 4: they use those guys as kind of gadget players in

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Speaker 4: the run game too. Can they be disciplined enough where

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Speaker 4: they don't let those speed guys you know, run by them.

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Speaker 4: So those are the two things I think that'll be

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Speaker 4: interesting to watch when the Cardinals offense is on the

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Speaker 4: field against the Giants defense.

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Speaker 1: That Week one game against the Cowboys, you look at

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Speaker 1: what Dak Prescott did as far as throwing the football,

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Speaker 1: maybe because as you mentioned, you know, forty and to

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Speaker 1: nothing that the score didn't need him to do anything.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he had no passing touchdowns. He only threw

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Speaker 1: for one hundred and forty three yards. So just how

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Speaker 1: how much were Banks and Hawkins tested in their first

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Speaker 1: NFL game?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, not a ton, I think to your point. And

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Speaker 4: the same reason the Giants couldn't get much pass rush

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Speaker 4: in that game is because the Cowboys I think they

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Speaker 4: only had three or four true non play action dropbacks

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Speaker 4: or Prescott held the ball for any amount of time

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Speaker 4: that would have allowed the pass rush to get home.

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Speaker 4: So I think that was a big part of it.

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Speaker 4: And for the same reason, they didn't really have to

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Speaker 4: challenge Banks and Hawkins much. I think Banks got thrown

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Speaker 4: at once, Hawkins gave up a couple of catches, and

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Speaker 4: you got to mention that one forty forty yards or

549
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Speaker 4: so passing the feerence penalty where he kind of pulled

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Speaker 4: Brandon Cooks down by the shoulder, So they were okay.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I think for for a first game, I

552
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Speaker 4: think you have to be pretty happy, especially against the

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Speaker 4: high powered wide receiver cop like the Cowboys have with

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Speaker 4: Lamb Gallup and Cooks out there. But they never really

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Speaker 4: had to be challenged because the Cowboys took such a

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Speaker 4: big early lead, So I would kind of leave that

557
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Speaker 4: up for debates still as to where they're headed, but

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Speaker 4: I think the early returns were good.

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Speaker 1: A couple more here just looking at the Giants defense,

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Speaker 1: and I saw it was a great ride up on

561
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Speaker 1: Giants dot Com on how you feature the Giants run

562
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Speaker 1: defense against James Connor and what the Cardinals like to do.

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Speaker 1: As far as running the football, I personally would like

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Speaker 1: to see James get a little bit more touches in

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Speaker 1: this game as opposed to last week. I thought the

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Speaker 1: Cardinals kind of get away from the run a little bit,

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Speaker 1: and I would hope that Connor does get more touches,

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Speaker 1: especially running the football. Is that as far as the

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Speaker 1: focal point on the Giants defense, Looking at what Connor

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Speaker 1: is capable of doing. Now, he does have a bit

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Speaker 1: of a hamstring or excuse to be a calf issue

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Speaker 1: that popped up on this week's injury report. But as

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Speaker 1: far as James Connor running the ball against this Giants defense, Yeah, look, I.

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Speaker 4: Think improving the run defense was the focus of the

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Speaker 4: Giants offseason on defense. You know, they were one of

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Speaker 4: the worst rush defenses in the league last year. I

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Speaker 4: think they were either worse or next to last in

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Speaker 4: terms of the yards allowed for carry. I mean, they

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Speaker 4: were a simp They could not stop the run. So

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Speaker 4: they add Ashaan Robinson Yingya's rochest Nacho up front to

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Speaker 4: back up Williams and Lawrence in the middle. They signed

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Speaker 4: Bobby Okaake to a big free agent contract, who came

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Speaker 4: over from the Indianapolis Colts. And I think they're big

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Speaker 4: focus was to improve that run defense. Now, in Week

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Speaker 4: one against the Cowboys, it was better, but it wasn't great.

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Speaker 4: Tony Poward still averaged a beutfore yard to carry, So yeah,

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Speaker 4: I think that's a big deal. And I was really

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Speaker 4: impressed at the variety the Cardinals had with their run

589
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Speaker 4: game in that first week. You know, you mentioned James Connor.

590
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Speaker 4: They had him lineup as a fullback on one play

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Speaker 4: They's County ingram and in a wildcat formation. On one

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Speaker 4: play they have Londo more in the back that I

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Speaker 4: think what seven or eight times over the course of

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Speaker 4: that game. So I loved all the different things that

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Speaker 4: the Cardinals did, and I think that's going to test

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Speaker 4: to see exactly how good this Giants run defense is,

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Speaker 4: because I think you guys do a lot of fun

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Speaker 4: things in the run game, not to mention Dodd's ability

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Speaker 4: to kind of keep it a run as well.

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Speaker 1: Can't let you go without a question about Isaiah Simmons,

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Speaker 1: the former Cardinal now Giants. I saw that he was

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Speaker 1: playing a little bit more safety at least on the

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Speaker 1: game recap, although he still listed as a linebacker. Did

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Speaker 1: not see a lot of time in Week one. Do

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Speaker 1: you get a sense on how excited or maybe how

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Speaker 1: much more we see Simmons on the field this week?

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Speaker 4: Yeah. I think his role will will continuously grow as

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Speaker 4: you go through the year. I think when you talk

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Speaker 4: to wing Martin Delle about him, he's going to develop

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Speaker 4: a specific plan for him each week and kind of

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Speaker 4: focus his attention so he doesn't have to be worrying

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Speaker 4: about doing a bunch of different things. He's in the

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Speaker 4: linebacker room. That's where he's meeting. I think they like

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Speaker 4: him as a pass rusher. They'll try to use him

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Speaker 4: as a blitzer. You know, they had a roll last

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Speaker 4: year when they had Landing Collins and Tony Jefferson, two

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Speaker 4: kind of veteran safeties on the roster who were technically safeties,

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Speaker 4: but they basically played within the line of scrimmage and

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Speaker 4: they were kind of that, you know, heavier or I

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Speaker 4: should say lighter nickel second linebacker type of position, and

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Speaker 4: I think that's kind of where they're gonna use Simmons

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Speaker 4: and he can either rush the pass or from there

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Speaker 4: maybe he'll cover a tight end one on one. You know,

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Speaker 4: those sorts of things where they kind of really focus

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Speaker 4: his attention and they hope that they and I'm sure

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Speaker 4: you guys had these conversations a million times down there

627
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Speaker 4: where you can take those athletic gifts and focus them

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Speaker 4: in a way that makes them an effective football player.

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Speaker 4: So that's what they're trying to figure out how to do.

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Speaker 4: Since that trade was made a few weeks ago.

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Speaker 1: Tony Jefferson, you bring him up another former Arizona Cardinal

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Speaker 1: Dollar linebackers what they called him here when he was

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Speaker 1: with the Arizona Cardinals after the or at the start

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Speaker 1: of his career. John appreciate the information. It's uh, I'm

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Speaker 1: looking forward to this game on Sunday. It's going to

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Speaker 1: be hopefully a win for the Cardinals. I will say

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Speaker 1: that Cardinals certainly need but some some team this week

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Speaker 1: is going to walk off that field. Oh and two.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, look, it's an important game for both teams. And

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Speaker 4: like I mentioned, the Giants have playing the at San

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Speaker 4: Francisco forty nine ers on the Thursday night after the game,

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Speaker 4: so uh, definitely not an easy game three for the

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Speaker 4: Giants my understanding. As you guys have pumped temperature up

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Speaker 4: a little bit, it's supposed to be around like one

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Speaker 4: oh five over the weekend. You know, we were in

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Speaker 4: New York. You know it's like ninety eight humid and

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Speaker 4: then like and we're getting really sour. But I'm not

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Speaker 4: looking forward to the one oh five that'll be waiting

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Speaker 4: for us when we land on Saturday.

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Speaker 1: Good news is there's a roof I guess that will

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Speaker 1: be closed on Sunday, so I would hope. So you

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Speaker 1: got that for you, John, appreciate it. Look forward to

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Speaker 1: seeing you on Sunday.

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Speaker 4: Hey, we have good memories down there, man. I was

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Speaker 4: there for that Super Bowl back in two thousand and

656
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Speaker 4: and seven, so can't wait to be down there again.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate John joining the shows. Some good insight there. And yeah,

658
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Speaker 1: there is still a panic in the streets in New

659
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Speaker 1: York based off a forty to nothing lost to the

660
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Speaker 1: Cowboys in Week one. You can only imagine what would

661
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Speaker 1: happen if the Giants open the season zero and two.

662
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Speaker 1: But that's their problem. Our problem here. Zach is trying

663
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Speaker 1: to figure out how the Cardinals can get to one

664
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Speaker 1: and one and win at State Farm Stadium, which they

665
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Speaker 1: have not done a ton of over the last several seasons.

666
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Speaker 1: But to me, it comes down to the running game.

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Speaker 1: One limit Saquon Barkley, and can James Connor do what

668
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Speaker 1: he does best and that has run between the tackles

669
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Speaker 1: and really get some momentum going. I thought it stalled

670
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Speaker 1: last week, not able to maintain his carries, whether that

671
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Speaker 1: was by design or the effectiveness of the Washington Front,

672
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Speaker 1: But to me, it's James Connor getting more than just

673
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Speaker 1: the fourteen carries he had against the Commanders.

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Speaker 3: Definitely is and you if the conditions were a little

675
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Speaker 3: bit different, Jonathan Gannon said that you probably would have

676
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Speaker 3: seen a little bit more James Connor. Could it potentially

677
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Speaker 3: be because of a lingering injury which is why he's

678
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Speaker 3: on the injury report, that they didn't use him as

679
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Speaker 3: much potentially, But I don't necessarily think that that was

680
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Speaker 3: the case. The runs just were not as much there,

681
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Speaker 3: and I think it was interesting with Kanta Ingram especially

682
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Speaker 3: that kind of just showed that there were some run

683
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 3: plays that just were not working out. Anytime Kante touched

684
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 3: the ball, he was headed back a handful of different yards,

685
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Speaker 3: finishing the minus with five attempts from negative four yards,

686
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Speaker 3: So it wasn't pretty on his end. In order to

687
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Speaker 3: have a balance offense, you do need to have a

688
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:36,479
Speaker 3: continuously running James Connor. He does find the gaps the

689
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Speaker 3: best out of anybody on the Cardinals running back staff.

690
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Speaker 3: Arguably the best in the league, though, is on that

691
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 3: other side of the ball in Saquon Barkley the bounce,

692
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Speaker 3: he has the power the vision to run through the

693
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Speaker 3: gaps once he has open space. Goodbye, Saquon, He's on

694
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Speaker 3: the way. So getting to him early, getting to him

695
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 3: on the edges when he tries to bounce out to

696
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Speaker 3: the left side or to the right side. That's where

697
00:32:57,280 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 3: it's gonna be key for the edge linebackers and for

698
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Speaker 3: the middle linebackers to make sure that they get in

699
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Speaker 3: and stops Aqui.

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Speaker 1: On the Cardinals rushing front. In Week one, twenty five

701
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 1: attempts versus thirty pass attempts, so almost fifty to fifty.

702
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Speaker 1: And when you talk about being balanced, that's a good

703
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Speaker 1: balance as far as as close to fifty to fifty

704
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Speaker 1: as possible. I just would have liked to have seen

705
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Speaker 1: a little bit more of the offense rely on Connor

706
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Speaker 1: and the running backs because it was day one. If

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Speaker 1: you will game one for Josh Dobbs, don't put a

708
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Speaker 1: ton of pressure on his shoulders. Put that pressure on

709
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Speaker 1: James Connor, who can certainly run the football and carry

710
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Speaker 1: an offense. He averaged four point four yards of carry.

711
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Speaker 1: That is a great number, but it was looking at

712
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Speaker 1: the carries per half. Six in the first half, eight

713
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Speaker 1: in the second half. This was a one score game

714
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Speaker 1: for much of the ballgame. You didn't have to go

715
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Speaker 1: away from the run, and I just think if you

716
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Speaker 1: can again, maybe that was whether related the calf win

717
00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 1: did that pop up during the game or after the game.

718
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 1: A lot of little things that we aren't familiar with

719
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Speaker 1: or not in the know of, but just giving that

720
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 1: ball to number six. Because the Cardinals in the first

721
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 1: half averaged almost five yards of carry, that number dropped

722
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Speaker 1: to below four for the entire game. So again, was

723
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Speaker 1: that the Washington defense or was it more of a

724
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Speaker 1: product of James Connor and that cap issue.

725
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Speaker 3: I think it could have been. I think it potentially

726
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:26,399
Speaker 3: could have been both. But you do want to see

727
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Speaker 3: more of James Connor because the runs were working. Had

728
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Speaker 3: he finished with fourteen attempts sixty two yards, he had

729
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Speaker 3: that long run and twelve yards that was his longest

730
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Speaker 3: on the afternoon to get the ball in number six hands.

731
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Speaker 3: He is a difference maker on this offense, and with

732
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Speaker 3: a new quarterback in Josh Dobbs not having as much familiarity,

733
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Speaker 3: I'm surprised that they didn't use him as much on

734
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Speaker 3: the running back side, on the running back side of

735
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Speaker 3: the ball, because he did have the opportunity to break

736
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Speaker 3: lose for a couple of different plays, and to see

737
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Speaker 3: that he wasn't used nearly as much. Potentially it's going

738
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Speaker 3: to be from once you're inside a dome and you're

739
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 3: playing inside and you're comfortable in your own grasp, maybe

740
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 3: that'll be different. But it was a little bit worrisome

741
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Speaker 3: that James Connor wasn't used as much considering that he

742
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Speaker 3: is the feature back.

743
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Speaker 1: This I can guarantee is that Saquon Barkley will be

744
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:18,400
Speaker 1: featured a heck of a lot more than he was

745
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 1: in Week one. He finished with only fifteen touches, and

746
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Speaker 1: this notes from next gen stats about Saquon Barkley. Giants

747
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 1: are two to ten when Barkley gets fifteen or fewer

748
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:33,719
Speaker 1: touches in a game, and he got twelve carries, three

749
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:37,280
Speaker 1: catches last week in that forty to notzhering loss again

750
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 1: so lopsided to where you had to throw the ball

751
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 1: you couldn't give it to Barkley. But that is to

752
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 1: me the key defensively and listening to Dennis Gardek on

753
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:50,360
Speaker 1: the Big Red Rage talking about a party at the ball,

754
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 1: meaning all guys rushing towards Saquon Barkley because he'll run

755
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Speaker 1: through contact. He is great after contact as far as

756
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 1: gaining additional yards. He is a big running back Jonathan

757
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 1: Ledbetter talked about the quads saquad Barkley because of his

758
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 1: powerful in the lower body. So that is something to

759
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:15,920
Speaker 1: keep an eye on. You can't rely on just one tackler.

760
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:19,319
Speaker 1: It's got to be all hats towards the football to

761
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Speaker 1: bring down Saquon Barkley.

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Speaker 3: Can I bring up one Penn State point?

763
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Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, we already established it.

764
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Speaker 2: Open the door.

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Speaker 3: Might as well, no, because because I think Jonathan Ledbetter

766
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Speaker 3: open up the door talking about say quad's There's a

767
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Speaker 3: video of him to a bench pressing or a squatting

768
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Speaker 3: at Penn State and to see he's lifting like six

769
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 3: hundred pounds, I believe it was not what you expect

770
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 3: a running back to lift, and it went it went viral.

771
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 3: To see how a small guy or smaller running back

772
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Speaker 3: in Saquon Barkley could have that size, that power, and

773
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Speaker 3: the muscles ability to do such a thing was unheard of.

774
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 3: He will definitely be seen a lot more. The defensive

775
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 3: side on the Arizona Cardinals or for the Arizona Cardinals

776
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 3: is not as good as the Dallas Cowboys defensive side

777
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 3: of the ball with the guy like Micah Parsons. Late

778
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 3: in vanderash that they have over there. The Cowboys have

779
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:11,800
Speaker 3: a very good defensive front and they showed that against

780
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:14,920
Speaker 3: the against the Against the New York Giants, Daniel Jones

781
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:18,240
Speaker 3: was hit so much. An NFL Films caught the Dallas

782
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:21,440
Speaker 3: Cowboys saying, why do they still even have Daniel Jones in?

783
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:22,880
Speaker 3: He could potentially be hurt.

784
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Speaker 2: MICHAEH.

785
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Speaker 3: Parsons went on his podcast and said it was not

786
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:29,799
Speaker 3: safe for Daniel Jones. The Cowboys defense is different. You

787
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:31,759
Speaker 3: got to give him their credits where you gotta give

788
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 3: credit words due. But Saquon Barkley is going to be

789
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:37,440
Speaker 3: heavily featured a lot more because the chances are that

790
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:41,360
Speaker 3: the Giants are down sixteen to nothing. I wouldn't necessarily

791
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 3: put my put my hat on that one.

792
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:45,360
Speaker 1: Well, just go back to that first drive. The Giants

793
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:48,719
Speaker 1: had success against the Cowboys defensively, and then there was

794
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:52,880
Speaker 1: you know, basically everything went up in smoke. There was

795
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,359
Speaker 1: the block field goal return for a touchdown, to pick

796
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:58,280
Speaker 1: six for a touchdown, and all of a sudden you're trailing.

797
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 1: You have to abandon the run to get back into

798
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 1: the ball game. But yes, Daniel Jones was pressured quite

799
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:06,719
Speaker 1: a bit can the Cardinals do the same that the

800
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 1: Cowboys were able to do? Still don't know? You know,

801
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 1: you got a left tackle and Andrew Thomas is dealing

802
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:15,880
Speaker 1: with a hamstring issue. Plus, keep this in mind, berg Gang,

803
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:19,719
Speaker 1: this is a short week for the Giants. They play

804
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 1: two games in five days. On Thursday, they are at

805
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:27,440
Speaker 1: San Francisco. They are staying here in Tempe before traveling

806
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:30,359
Speaker 1: to San Francisco for that game on Thursday. So how

807
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 1: much does Brian Dable and the Giants coaching staff look

808
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 1: and try to figure out, all right where we are

809
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 1: on Sunday with the hopes of trying to get two

810
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:42,760
Speaker 1: wins on the West Coast? Does that play a factor

811
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 1: as far as play calling or guys snap counts?

812
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 2: This week?

813
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 3: The short the short game week. I know players hate

814
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 3: going from playing those short game weeks because your entire

815
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:54,719
Speaker 3: preparation is thrown off. I didn't even think of the

816
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 3: San fran angle of it, because that's definitely important for

817
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:00,279
Speaker 3: a team that does not want to start zero and

818
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 3: two and was trying to at least get one game

819
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 3: out of the West Coast. What you mentioned the injury

820
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 3: report for the New York Giants, something I think is

821
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:10,719
Speaker 3: very underrated. We'll have to see how it goes. Is

822
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:14,400
Speaker 3: Graham Ganot, the Giants field goal kicker, is dealing with

823
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 3: the right ankle injury. The right ankle is he kicks

824
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 3: off his right foot, So that's always you never realized

825
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:23,240
Speaker 3: the importance of a field goal kicker until you really

826
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Speaker 3: need him.

827
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Speaker 1: Don't like talking about special teams because when you do

828
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:29,959
Speaker 1: talk about special teams, nine times out of ten, it's

829
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:33,880
Speaker 1: because special teams was a disaster or something went wrong.

830
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 1: So yeah, always pay attention to the kicker because, yeah,

831
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Speaker 1: this game I'm predicting, I would think, well, I wouldn't

832
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 1: say low scoring, but much like we saw in a

833
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 1: Week one, I think especially early, especially early in the season,

834
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:52,279
Speaker 1: you have teams still figuring themselves out and more of

835
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:55,319
Speaker 1: a feeling out process before you kind of really figure out,

836
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Speaker 1: all right, what kind of identity do we have as

837
00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:00,880
Speaker 1: an offense. We know the identity the Cardinals one on defense,

838
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:04,719
Speaker 1: and that is being physical and playing with smart violence,

839
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:08,799
Speaker 1: if you will, and not being overly violence to where

840
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:11,880
Speaker 1: you're getting those penalty flags as the Cardinals were in

841
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 1: Week one. But I'm not expecting this one to get

842
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:17,400
Speaker 1: out of hand either way. I'm not either, and I

843
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 1: would say that this is not going to be the

844
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 1: same New York Giants team that you saw against the

845
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:24,400
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys. It is still those first few weeks in

846
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:26,799
Speaker 1: the NFL season. Although you want to come away with

847
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 1: those wins, you're still trying to figure out your team

848
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 1: identity and that feeling out processed that you alluded to Craig.

849
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 1: So no team, especially in the New York media, wants

850
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 1: to get blown out in the way that they did be,

851
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 1: and especially if they come here out to the West

852
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:43,839
Speaker 1: Coast and they play Arizona and they don't come away

853
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 1: with the win, the panic on the street that you

854
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:49,440
Speaker 1: spoke about Craig going to be like a riot in

855
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:52,319
Speaker 1: the streets after that if something were to happen. Cardinals

856
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 1: have one four straights over the Giants, with that means

857
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 1: who knows, But again, just just the history of the

858
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 1: recent history of the Cardinals have one each of the

859
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 1: last four meetings. Cardinals and Giants coming up on Sunday,

860
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 1: that is a one to oh five kickoff, a thirty

861
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Speaker 1: am pregame coverage begins the home opener and your first

862
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 1: home game officially not counting preseason, and when you.

863
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 3: Said that when we were walking in here, I didn't

864
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:18,759
Speaker 3: even think of it like that. I'm very excited to

865
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:21,360
Speaker 3: see what the Bird Gang looks like in full force,

866
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 3: obviously when Kansas City. Kansas City has a very big following,

867
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Speaker 3: they made sure to invade State Farm Stadium. As the

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Speaker 3: Denver Broncos the New York Giants, they have to come

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Speaker 3: a little bit further than those two teams. So to

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Speaker 3: see an East Coast team come all the way out

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Speaker 3: here and State Farm stand being the first, you know,

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Speaker 3: home game for me this season, I'm excited for it.

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Speaker 3: I just I'm ready for it. We're ready.

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Speaker 1: Should be a lot of fun again. That comes up

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Speaker 1: on Sunday at one five from State Farm Stadium. And

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Speaker 1: on that note, we will put a lid on this

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Speaker 1: edition of Cardinals Cover two percented Bynday, partner of the

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Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals. As always, special thanks to our executive producer

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Speaker 1: Jim On and our associate producer Cody Fincher. For Zach Kershman,

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Speaker 1: I'm Craig Real Lou. We'll talk to you next time

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Speaker 1: here on Cardinals Cover two