WEBVTT - Dummies Guide to Baiting Bears 0:00:00.800 --> 0:00:04.120 You're listening to the Sportsman's Nation podcast network, brought to 0:00:04.120 --> 0:00:08.280 you by Interstate Batteries from your truck to your trail 0:00:08.360 --> 0:00:11.160 camera and everything in between. If you have a piece 0:00:11.160 --> 0:00:13.760 of hunting gear or a piece of hunting equipment that 0:00:13.840 --> 0:00:18.239 needs a battery, Interstate Batteries is that got you covered? 0:00:19.000 --> 0:00:22.680 You can go to a local retail store, or you 0:00:22.720 --> 0:00:25.800 can go visit online at Interstate Batteries dot com. They 0:00:25.800 --> 0:00:28.720 have thousands of local retail shops all over the US, 0:00:28.800 --> 0:00:33.960 so you can go there as well. Interstate Batteries outrageously dependable. 0:00:39.920 --> 0:00:42.159 My name is Clay Nucoleman. I'm the host of the 0:00:42.159 --> 0:00:46.560 Bear Hunting Magazine podcast. I'll also be your host into 0:00:46.600 --> 0:00:51.280 the world of hunting the icon of North American wilderness. 0:00:52.159 --> 0:00:56.240 We'll talk about tactics, gear, conservation, but will also bring 0:00:56.280 --> 0:00:59.920 you into some of the wildest country on the planet chasing. 0:01:05.400 --> 0:01:10.720 This last week, I had the opportunity to be on 0:01:10.800 --> 0:01:14.959 a pretty pretty cool platform for the outdoor industry. Ye, 0:01:15.600 --> 0:01:18.520 I've got Colby Colby moorehead the Bear Attack here with me. 0:01:19.160 --> 0:01:22.360 We're gonna give kind of a little preamble to the podcast. 0:01:22.400 --> 0:01:25.080 But last week, well it was actually we recorded it 0:01:25.080 --> 0:01:28.560 back in July. Yeah, we've been waiting on this. Yeah, 0:01:28.640 --> 0:01:31.960 but it just came out this week, which August I 0:01:31.959 --> 0:01:33.440 think is when it came out. But but I was 0:01:33.480 --> 0:01:38.440 on the Meat Eater podcast with Steve Ranella, which it 0:01:38.520 --> 0:01:42.280 was cool. I really follow everything that Steve does, follow 0:01:42.360 --> 0:01:46.360 his Netflix series Meat Eater, follow the podcast, follow what 0:01:46.400 --> 0:01:48.800 they're doing on social media. So this this was a 0:01:48.840 --> 0:01:51.960 big deal personal personally, a big deal for me to 0:01:51.960 --> 0:01:55.160 be on the podcast. It was really a fun experience. 0:01:56.480 --> 0:02:00.280 Um so you can check out that the podcast asked 0:02:00.280 --> 0:02:03.560 tell them what the podcast is called, kolbe all for 0:02:03.600 --> 0:02:06.440 a Flashy Mule, All for a Flashy Mutle. I think 0:02:06.440 --> 0:02:10.360 it was the episode A hundred and eighty three. And uh, 0:02:10.480 --> 0:02:12.000 I don't know if a lot of people would know this. 0:02:12.160 --> 0:02:14.400 I didn't know it until I kind of did some research. 0:02:14.440 --> 0:02:17.400 But on iTunes, the Medior podcast that's this at the 0:02:17.440 --> 0:02:21.320 time I looked was the sixties seven most listened to 0:02:21.480 --> 0:02:25.800 podcasts in the world on iTunes. I mean, that's for 0:02:25.800 --> 0:02:30.560 for a hunting podcast to be that popular, it's interesting. 0:02:30.880 --> 0:02:33.600 I mean everybody in the outdoor industry should I think, 0:02:34.480 --> 0:02:38.000 key in on something like that to say, what, what's 0:02:38.040 --> 0:02:42.560 happening here that's making these people, you know, draw into 0:02:42.639 --> 0:02:45.160 this and you know it's just interesting. So you can 0:02:45.240 --> 0:02:47.520 check out some of his stuff. I mean, I don't 0:02:47.520 --> 0:02:52.639 need to do a infommercial for Steve Ornella, but uh, 0:02:52.919 --> 0:02:57.640 but it but it is interesting stuff, some of it. Um. 0:02:57.680 --> 0:03:02.040 But this podcast, the Bear Hunting Magazine podcast my boys 0:03:02.160 --> 0:03:04.760 last night I told him. I told him about Ronella's 0:03:04.800 --> 0:03:07.080 podcast being at the top one hundred and they said 0:03:07.840 --> 0:03:11.920 that is yours in the top two hundred And I 0:03:12.000 --> 0:03:15.639 said no, and they said, isn't in the top five 0:03:15.720 --> 0:03:17.680 hundred in the world. I mean they were just certain 0:03:18.400 --> 0:03:20.400 and I was like no, and they were like, no, Dad, 0:03:20.480 --> 0:03:23.639 your podcast has got to be in the top five 0:03:23.720 --> 0:03:25.960 hundred in the world. I mean they were just like 0:03:26.160 --> 0:03:30.680 floored that and I said, no, boys, it's not. But 0:03:30.680 --> 0:03:33.320 but the Shepherd was like, but it's getting there. It 0:03:34.000 --> 0:03:36.800 was like really loyal to the call to the cause here. 0:03:36.840 --> 0:03:39.360 But but what I wanted to what we're gonna talk 0:03:39.360 --> 0:03:42.040 about on this podcast. I think the conversation that we 0:03:42.120 --> 0:03:48.560 had about the actual fundamental aspects of baiting bears, like 0:03:48.600 --> 0:03:53.560 how to we nerd out coolbe about baiting bears with 0:03:53.600 --> 0:03:56.320 two of the two of well two of the best 0:03:56.360 --> 0:03:59.600 guys that I know in Arkansas. Um, not to say 0:03:59.640 --> 0:04:01.920 there's not more, but these two guys I had on here, 0:04:02.080 --> 0:04:06.160 Jason Lyles and and my longtime friend Ryan greb Um 0:04:06.400 --> 0:04:09.520 Good Good Bear Hunters, been bait and bears serious for 0:04:09.560 --> 0:04:11.760 a lot of years. They both have a lot of 0:04:11.800 --> 0:04:15.800 good insight, and so this podcast probably has as much 0:04:15.920 --> 0:04:21.120 tactical information about what debate with, when, debate with baiting, sequence, 0:04:21.240 --> 0:04:23.839 where to set up a bait site. Yeah, we covered 0:04:23.880 --> 0:04:28.279 a ton of stuff. But why I'm doing this preamble 0:04:28.360 --> 0:04:30.080 like this, which is a little bit longer form than 0:04:30.120 --> 0:04:33.400 we usually do because we didn't get into at all, 0:04:33.680 --> 0:04:37.679 you know, like the foundational aspects that I think we've 0:04:37.720 --> 0:04:39.800 all got to have on the tip of our tongue 0:04:39.800 --> 0:04:43.760 in twenty nineteen. As we're trying to we're trying to prolog, 0:04:43.880 --> 0:04:46.160 you know, we're trying to not defend. I don't want 0:04:46.200 --> 0:04:48.680 to be on the defensive, but we're we're trying to 0:04:48.839 --> 0:04:51.440 educate ourselves on why we do what we do. I mean, 0:04:51.440 --> 0:04:54.840 this hunting lifestyle that we live, it has to be 0:04:55.200 --> 0:04:59.280 fueled by an understanding that we can articulate of why 0:04:59.360 --> 0:05:01.240 we do what we do. And I think a lot 0:05:01.279 --> 0:05:06.560 of guys would would perceive baiting bears simply as just 0:05:06.640 --> 0:05:09.200 an effective way to hunt. It's like, this is an 0:05:09.200 --> 0:05:11.360 easy way to hunt. And obviously with baiting bears, there's 0:05:11.360 --> 0:05:14.680 a ton of misperceptions, uh, you know, charismatic megafun of 0:05:14.760 --> 0:05:18.080 putting out food and bait for charismatic megafuna. People would 0:05:18.480 --> 0:05:20.839 could look down upon that. But what I want to 0:05:20.839 --> 0:05:24.120 say is that and this is what I said to Ronella. 0:05:24.160 --> 0:05:25.960 And part of the reason that's connected to this is 0:05:26.000 --> 0:05:29.240 we talked a lot about baiting bears and using hounds 0:05:29.320 --> 0:05:34.839 on the Mediator podcast. And so the foundational aspect of 0:05:34.880 --> 0:05:38.680 baiting bears is that anywhere it's legal debate bears, that 0:05:38.880 --> 0:05:44.040 is a core management tool for the game agencies that 0:05:44.160 --> 0:05:47.920 have the data, that have the science, that know the habitat, 0:05:48.160 --> 0:05:50.960 that know how many bears there are, that know how 0:05:51.040 --> 0:05:54.120 much their bear population is growing every year, and they 0:05:54.200 --> 0:05:56.839 know how many bears need to be taken out every year. 0:05:57.600 --> 0:06:02.200 They have this data, and where baiting is legal, it 0:06:02.320 --> 0:06:06.880 is a management tool used for these organizations to achieve 0:06:06.960 --> 0:06:10.240 their management goals for the betterment of that bear population. Yeah, 0:06:10.360 --> 0:06:13.279 for sure, I mean that's a fundamental aspect. So it's 0:06:13.279 --> 0:06:16.479 not just like, well they have lenient game laws in 0:06:16.560 --> 0:06:19.240 that state and so they allow baiting. No, that's stupid. 0:06:19.920 --> 0:06:23.919 It's not the case in the East particularly and uh 0:06:24.000 --> 0:06:26.800 in in Canada and in in in the places where 0:06:26.800 --> 0:06:31.120 you can bait bears, it is other methods don't work. 0:06:32.120 --> 0:06:35.920 The prime example is Arkansas. Our bear season was reinstated 0:06:35.920 --> 0:06:39.440 in nineteen eighty after like a seventy year uh gap 0:06:39.560 --> 0:06:43.040 or well from nineteen seven and nineteen eighty and for 0:06:43.520 --> 0:06:46.640 twenty one years from nineteen eighty to two thousand and one, 0:06:47.200 --> 0:06:49.480 all you could do in Arkansas was basically spot in 0:06:49.520 --> 0:06:52.280 stock hunting bears, and every year they probably they killed 0:06:52.400 --> 0:06:57.919 less than fifty bears in two thousand one. Finally, the science, 0:06:58.040 --> 0:06:59.960 the data, the expansion of the bears, they were like, 0:07:00.080 --> 0:07:03.279 we got to have we got to take more bears 0:07:03.320 --> 0:07:05.400 out of the population. They said, we're gonna do that 0:07:06.080 --> 0:07:13.360 with baiting private land baiting is highly selective. Perhaps hound 0:07:13.440 --> 0:07:16.240 hunting and hunting over bait would be the most selective 0:07:16.320 --> 0:07:20.240 way to hunt bears. Like you're you're you're getting pictures 0:07:20.320 --> 0:07:22.000 of this animal and we're just talking about baiting on 0:07:22.080 --> 0:07:25.320 this podcast. So let's you're getting pictures of these animals, 0:07:25.600 --> 0:07:29.000 you know what your target animals are. Bear comes in 0:07:29.280 --> 0:07:32.960 close range, he's standing there for a long period of time. 0:07:33.000 --> 0:07:36.360 You're able to evaluate that bears, age, the bears, sex, 0:07:36.560 --> 0:07:40.840 the bears, size, all this stuff. You're able to evaluate 0:07:40.920 --> 0:07:44.120 whether it's a salve that has cubs because you're you're watching, 0:07:44.200 --> 0:07:47.520 you're looking, you're evaluating her. And so it's a highly 0:07:47.600 --> 0:07:49.840 selective way to hunt. And so and that's the way 0:07:49.880 --> 0:07:53.200 people have to view it. Number one management tool. I'm 0:07:53.240 --> 0:07:56.680 pounding it into the ground here. Number two is that 0:07:57.760 --> 0:08:00.120 hunting over bait is one of the hardest way is 0:08:00.160 --> 0:08:03.400 that I hunt, I spend more time and energy baiting 0:08:03.480 --> 0:08:07.360 bears did almost I do anything. I mean, it's a 0:08:07.400 --> 0:08:10.000 ton of work. So this idea that hunting over bait 0:08:10.160 --> 0:08:17.680 is easy is rediculous, absolutely ridiculous. It should be expelled 0:08:17.840 --> 0:08:21.000 from people's minds. That hunting over bait is just the 0:08:21.080 --> 0:08:23.880 easy man's or the lazy man's way to hunt, just 0:08:24.040 --> 0:08:26.680 not true. Anybody that says that has never done it. 0:08:26.880 --> 0:08:30.440 I challenge now. Now, granted people may have gone on 0:08:30.600 --> 0:08:34.079 outfitted hunts over bait and come back and go well, 0:08:34.160 --> 0:08:36.600 that was easy. Well, it was easy. It was an 0:08:36.600 --> 0:08:40.880 outfitted hunt. Somebody that has killed bear over bait, that 0:08:40.960 --> 0:08:44.480 has done it themselves will never say that it was easy. 0:08:45.440 --> 0:08:48.240 Now the hunting, I mean, yeah, you might have a 0:08:48.320 --> 0:08:50.439 bear come in the first day and you may kill it, 0:08:50.520 --> 0:08:53.079 but there was a host of work behind that. So 0:08:53.200 --> 0:08:54.520 those are the things that I want to say as 0:08:54.559 --> 0:08:56.439 we come into this, because we're gonna nerd out for 0:08:56.520 --> 0:09:00.680 an hour and fifteen minutes about the tactics that we're 0:09:00.800 --> 0:09:05.280 using for bait and bears. Super good stuff. But yeah, yeah, 0:09:05.559 --> 0:09:08.720 what do you think I like it? Am I pounding 0:09:08.800 --> 0:09:11.160 too hard into the choir? I don't think so. I 0:09:11.240 --> 0:09:13.079 don't think so. I mean even when I went on 0:09:13.200 --> 0:09:16.280 my outfitted hunt, I killed early and so I so 0:09:16.440 --> 0:09:18.319 I went out with the the outfitter just to see 0:09:18.360 --> 0:09:19.880 what it was like and it was a lot of work. 0:09:19.920 --> 0:09:23.120 I came back drenched in sweat. Yeah, and uh yeah, 0:09:23.400 --> 0:09:27.079 it's not easy, even in my limited you know, exposure 0:09:27.080 --> 0:09:32.160 to it. Yeah. Well, hey, you're gonna enjoy this podcast 0:09:32.240 --> 0:09:37.319 with Ryan Grab, Jason Lyles, and myself and that's it. 0:09:37.600 --> 0:09:43.240 That's it. Before we get into the podcast, I want 0:09:43.280 --> 0:09:46.960 to bring your attention to our friends at Northwood's Bear Products. 0:09:47.040 --> 0:09:49.240 In this podcast, you're gonna hear us talk about the 0:09:49.320 --> 0:09:52.280 way that we use commercial sense, and you're gonna hear 0:09:52.440 --> 0:09:56.080 these guys talk about their preferences and what they're doing. 0:09:57.200 --> 0:10:02.760 Do us a favor. Go to Northwood Bear Products Instagram page, 0:10:03.480 --> 0:10:08.160 give them a like and a look on Instagram. All right, 0:10:08.840 --> 0:10:12.680 it's it is time for bear hunting. There's still time 0:10:12.760 --> 0:10:16.000 to get commercial sense if you're if you are, if 0:10:16.040 --> 0:10:18.480 you're baiting bears, it's legal in your state. Like we 0:10:18.520 --> 0:10:22.440 said last week, it's some some places you can't bait, 0:10:22.520 --> 0:10:25.760 but you can use sense. So check your check your regulations, 0:10:26.520 --> 0:10:30.079 and uh check out Northwoods. They've got all kinds of 0:10:30.320 --> 0:10:34.439 scent attractants and these are the things that we're using. 0:10:35.120 --> 0:10:43.080 And uh yeah, north Woods Bear Products dot Net. It's 0:10:43.080 --> 0:10:50.760 August August and in two days here in Arkansas, we 0:10:50.880 --> 0:10:54.840 can start baiting bears. In Arkansas, we can bait bears 0:10:55.679 --> 0:10:59.440 thirty days before the opening of the bear season. Bear 0:10:59.559 --> 0:11:05.719 season opens on September, fourth Saturday in September. Usually the 0:11:05.840 --> 0:11:09.079 last two years, the fourth Saturday in September has been 0:11:09.120 --> 0:11:12.760 in the early twenties of September, which is way better, 0:11:13.240 --> 0:11:20.120 way better than late September. It's like people that wouldn't 0:11:20.360 --> 0:11:22.880 know bear hunting, or at least around here no bear hunting. 0:11:23.160 --> 0:11:26.679 We know that the difference between September and September is 0:11:26.679 --> 0:11:31.760 pretty massive. Yeah. Absolutely, So let me introduce who we've 0:11:31.800 --> 0:11:35.000 got here. We're at the Global Headquarters and air Conditioner 0:11:35.080 --> 0:11:40.560 Works today, and uh, I've got Ryan flint Faced grib here. 0:11:40.720 --> 0:11:42.679 Ran has been on the podcast several times. Ryan is 0:11:42.720 --> 0:11:45.439 a good friend of mine. We even hunted quite a 0:11:45.480 --> 0:11:50.200 few places together. And Ryan is uh a decorated Arkansas 0:11:50.679 --> 0:11:55.079 bear hunter, been bear hunt in Arkansas since uh, since 0:11:55.120 --> 0:12:00.559 you were two. That's right, Rise Rise really good, real 0:12:00.600 --> 0:12:04.920 good bear hunter. And uh, I've got Jason Lyles. Jason's 0:12:04.960 --> 0:12:09.079 new to the podcast. But uh, but man, I've known you. 0:12:09.320 --> 0:12:11.880 I feel like I've known you for many years, but 0:12:12.640 --> 0:12:16.920 more like internet buddies in the past three years. Probably Yeah, 0:12:17.000 --> 0:12:20.880 probably so. And uh now Jason's hooking me up with 0:12:21.040 --> 0:12:25.000 in the squirrel dog world, No doubt, he's a He's 0:12:25.040 --> 0:12:28.679 a good tree dog man coon dog, squirrel dog. And 0:12:29.160 --> 0:12:33.520 the pup we got is uh, your wily mountain cur 0:12:33.679 --> 0:12:37.440 dog is a grandsire. Is that correct? Yes, that's right. Yeah, 0:12:37.679 --> 0:12:41.000 go the pup goes back to uh, a man named 0:12:41.000 --> 0:12:44.280 Todd Cole's goes back to some of his bloodline. And 0:12:44.360 --> 0:12:46.800 then the uh, the damn to your pup is uh 0:12:47.160 --> 0:12:51.319 out of my mountain curve wildly and another female that 0:12:51.320 --> 0:12:53.480 I used to own. That my buddy, Donny press your 0:12:53.520 --> 0:12:56.920 owns right on. Yeah, So Jason's helping us with with 0:12:57.080 --> 0:13:00.640 the squirrel dog world. In the squirrel dog world, Jason 0:13:00.800 --> 0:13:04.079 is also a decorated Arkansas bear hunter. You know, the 0:13:04.160 --> 0:13:07.079 bearer world in Arkansas really seems to be pretty small. 0:13:07.440 --> 0:13:10.640 It's it's growing. When I say small, like in Arkansas, 0:13:11.000 --> 0:13:16.640 we're killing less than five hundred bears a year. So 0:13:17.000 --> 0:13:20.319 so the northern zone in Arkansas there's a there's a 0:13:20.400 --> 0:13:23.920 I believe now it's a three hundred bear quota. I 0:13:24.000 --> 0:13:28.240 can't remember. They raised it fifty bears again, they raised 0:13:28.280 --> 0:13:33.480 it this this year, that's my understanding. And then the 0:13:33.800 --> 0:13:36.520 other zone there's no quota, but typically they're killing less 0:13:36.520 --> 0:13:38.559 than a hundred fifty bears either, so really not a 0:13:38.679 --> 0:13:41.839 lot of animals. And so we've been baiting bears in 0:13:41.960 --> 0:13:46.480 Arkansas since two thousand one. Okay, I've made this claim 0:13:46.520 --> 0:13:48.720 on the podcast, but I've never made it in front 0:13:48.760 --> 0:13:53.439 of two decorated Arkansas bear hunters. I claim to be 0:13:54.120 --> 0:13:59.520 the first Arkansas bow hunter to legally legally kill a 0:13:59.600 --> 0:14:02.439 bear over bait as soon as it was legal in 0:14:02.559 --> 0:14:05.400 Arkansas in two thousand one, because at the crack of dawn, 0:14:06.840 --> 0:14:10.839 I mean at a crack of dawn on October the first, 0:14:10.960 --> 0:14:14.199 two thousand one. My dad was wearing his white T 0:14:14.440 --> 0:14:16.760 shirt because he still didn't put on his camo. He 0:14:16.800 --> 0:14:18.680 had just climbed up the tree he was gonna video 0:14:18.800 --> 0:14:20.800 for me. I was in the tree. He was like 0:14:21.000 --> 0:14:23.920 eight feet off the ground, like, for whatever reason, closer 0:14:24.000 --> 0:14:26.200 to the barrel than me. I don't know why we 0:14:26.320 --> 0:14:30.400 decided that he was gonna film this bear hunt. And uh, 0:14:30.960 --> 0:14:33.800 he's just like glowing like a light in this tree. 0:14:34.240 --> 0:14:36.840 And I see this bear coming up the ridge and 0:14:36.920 --> 0:14:38.440 it was the first bear I had ever seen in 0:14:38.520 --> 0:14:40.960 a hunting situation, you know, I'd seen bears like a 0:14:41.000 --> 0:14:44.680 cross the road and stuff, and h man, it it 0:14:45.560 --> 0:14:48.400 it was a fascinating scene to me to look off 0:14:48.480 --> 0:14:51.120 down this ridge and it it was still twilight enough 0:14:51.160 --> 0:14:53.040 that he really couldn't see the bear's legs move it 0:14:53.120 --> 0:14:55.000 just looked like it was just floating, you know, like 0:14:55.080 --> 0:14:57.640 this black blob just floating. And I mean it just 0:14:57.800 --> 0:15:00.800 came right in. I didn't have my release on. Put 0:15:00.880 --> 0:15:05.200 my release on. The bear walks right in, Dad. I 0:15:05.240 --> 0:15:07.120 think it's the cameras still on the ground, like on 0:15:07.240 --> 0:15:12.360 a rope, you know, and shoot this bear at twenty yards. 0:15:12.560 --> 0:15:16.040 Bear runs off and gives the most dramatic death moan 0:15:16.200 --> 0:15:19.040 that a bear has ever made in all of history. 0:15:19.120 --> 0:15:22.520 I'm quite certain I was. And me and my dad 0:15:22.600 --> 0:15:25.640 our jaws dropped. I mean we were just like, holy yeah, 0:15:25.680 --> 0:15:28.400 we didn't we didn't even know the death moaned. But 0:15:28.720 --> 0:15:30.840 you know that story. I have told it several times. 0:15:30.880 --> 0:15:32.440 I walked up to that animal. I was twenty one 0:15:32.520 --> 0:15:34.360 years old and two thousand one. I walked up to 0:15:34.400 --> 0:15:39.360 that animal and I knew nothing about it. That was 0:15:39.440 --> 0:15:43.000 the that was the dominant feature of the hunt for 0:15:43.120 --> 0:15:47.840 me was I was fascinated by this incredible, beautiful, magnificent 0:15:47.920 --> 0:15:50.160 animal and I knew nothing about it. And that's kind 0:15:50.160 --> 0:15:53.480 of what set me into the bear the bear world. 0:15:53.680 --> 0:15:55.920 But to go back to my claim, and I'm gonna 0:15:56.680 --> 0:15:59.640 can can either of you dispute this, did you kill 0:15:59.680 --> 0:16:02.400 a bear before then. What you didn't know is I 0:16:02.560 --> 0:16:04.520 was just down the ridge and I had passed that 0:16:04.680 --> 0:16:08.240 bear too before I got But then you were hunting 0:16:08.280 --> 0:16:14.440 on national forest and that was illegal. Maybe so maybe so? 0:16:15.080 --> 0:16:17.520 Now so did you did uh? Now did you kill 0:16:17.560 --> 0:16:20.720 a bear in two thousand one? No, I did not 0:16:20.880 --> 0:16:25.040 hunt over bait rookie, Mr Rookie. Two thousand two though, 0:16:26.640 --> 0:16:29.760 two thousand two, Now, when did you first start hun 0:16:30.760 --> 0:16:33.360 two thousand three? It was the first year that I 0:16:33.520 --> 0:16:35.880 tried baiting bears and it was late. I started like 0:16:36.040 --> 0:16:39.480 October and uh oh, you didn't get started until season 0:16:39.600 --> 0:16:41.880 got going right. It was muzzled season. I was like, oh, 0:16:42.000 --> 0:16:44.280 you know, I'm gonna give us try didn't didn't work 0:16:44.280 --> 0:16:47.280 out it all that year. Two thousand four was the 0:16:47.520 --> 0:16:50.520 first year I actually put some effort into it. Started 0:16:50.560 --> 0:16:55.320 baiting thirty days before season and uh, opening morning, got him, 0:16:55.440 --> 0:16:57.920 got him, got him, got us big one. So my 0:16:58.040 --> 0:17:05.040 claim still stands. My claim, you wink. Now. What I 0:17:05.080 --> 0:17:07.560 want to talk about on this podcast, though, is I 0:17:07.680 --> 0:17:13.720 want to go from zero two informed for people that 0:17:13.840 --> 0:17:17.920 were listening about how to bait bears, because it it 0:17:18.000 --> 0:17:20.960 would seem that it would just be easy people that 0:17:21.040 --> 0:17:24.760 have never baited bears, even hunters would think baiting bears 0:17:24.840 --> 0:17:27.800 would be relatively easy. But what we've found and what 0:17:27.960 --> 0:17:30.040 I've learned, and I've learned a ton from Ryan Grabb, 0:17:30.920 --> 0:17:34.040 I really have. What I've learned is that there's you 0:17:34.160 --> 0:17:37.320 gotta do a whole lot of stuff right in order 0:17:37.359 --> 0:17:39.960 to be successful year and in year out on older 0:17:40.040 --> 0:17:42.879 mature males, big bears. A lot of people can go 0:17:42.960 --> 0:17:45.359 out and have a crack pretty good opportunity at a 0:17:45.840 --> 0:17:51.320 subordinate bear, but no season hunters us guys wanting to 0:17:51.400 --> 0:17:55.160 chase the more mature bear, whole different animal, you gotta 0:17:55.200 --> 0:17:56.600 do a ton of the way I just say it 0:17:56.720 --> 0:17:59.000 is you gotta do a ton of stuff right, and 0:17:59.119 --> 0:18:02.320 there's a lot of It's not just one thing, it's 0:18:02.320 --> 0:18:05.600 a lot of things. And uh so, hopefully in our 0:18:05.640 --> 0:18:08.120 conversation today we can just cover I want to hear 0:18:08.240 --> 0:18:10.880 from both of you guys about kind of just your 0:18:10.960 --> 0:18:13.439 sequence of baiting. And let me tell you the questions 0:18:13.480 --> 0:18:16.080 that we're gonna answer. And these are the questions that 0:18:16.160 --> 0:18:18.879 I get all the time, is what do you bait with? 0:18:19.200 --> 0:18:21.240 I'm gonna go through the questions and well, you'll can 0:18:21.359 --> 0:18:24.320 help me. Remember what the questions are, what do you 0:18:24.440 --> 0:18:27.800 bait with? What's the best bear bait? That's a question. 0:18:28.600 --> 0:18:32.000 The other question is how much do you feed? The 0:18:32.080 --> 0:18:35.000 other question is when do you feed? Because there's a 0:18:35.040 --> 0:18:36.480 lot of options. I mean, there's some places where you 0:18:36.520 --> 0:18:39.560 can bait bears year round. There's some places where you 0:18:39.600 --> 0:18:42.000 can bait bears just a week before the season starts. 0:18:42.760 --> 0:18:45.359 We're working with a thirty daytime period, which is actually 0:18:45.400 --> 0:18:49.200 pretty good. Um, there's some places, I'm pretty sure there's 0:18:49.240 --> 0:18:51.840 some places where you can't start baiting until the season 0:18:51.920 --> 0:18:54.399 actually opens. I mean, so you put out bait and 0:18:54.480 --> 0:18:58.160 then you can't even start before the season opens. Um. 0:18:59.160 --> 0:19:04.200 And so what debate with? How much? Debate with? When 0:19:04.280 --> 0:19:08.600 debate with? And the question that most people don't ask 0:19:08.800 --> 0:19:11.560 that they should be asking is where do you bate 0:19:12.160 --> 0:19:15.040 like because in the landscape you're just looking at the 0:19:15.160 --> 0:19:20.200 landscape of Arkansas or landscape of any place, they're gonna 0:19:20.280 --> 0:19:25.000 be locations, even on a micro scale to a macro 0:19:25.160 --> 0:19:28.240 scale that are gonna be way better for attracting bears 0:19:28.320 --> 0:19:30.600 in the daylight, because that's the thing. You could put 0:19:30.640 --> 0:19:32.400 a bear bait out in the middle of an open 0:19:32.520 --> 0:19:35.320 pasture and bears would probably go there during the night 0:19:35.480 --> 0:19:38.480 and not have any trouble. But you're not gonna You're 0:19:38.480 --> 0:19:42.280 not You're probably not gonna kill a good bear out 0:19:42.280 --> 0:19:44.119 in the middle of a pasture on over. I mean, 0:19:44.200 --> 0:19:47.640 he wants those bears want to be in secluded places. 0:19:47.760 --> 0:19:50.160 They want to be in places away from human contact 0:19:50.240 --> 0:19:53.400 and activity. They want to be the places that are shaded, 0:19:53.440 --> 0:19:57.240 places where they feel secure, and you want to you 0:19:57.560 --> 0:19:59.920 So even the way I say is even on a 0:20:00.040 --> 0:20:03.720 forty acre property, that maybe is all would it like 0:20:03.840 --> 0:20:06.879 you would think, well, all this is the same, there's 0:20:07.040 --> 0:20:11.680 one place on that property that's the best I mean 0:20:11.880 --> 0:20:14.800 for killing bears, whether it would be higher honor. So 0:20:15.080 --> 0:20:16.560 I don't want to get too deep into it. But 0:20:16.600 --> 0:20:21.320 those are the four questions we're gonna answer. So let me, Jason, 0:20:21.920 --> 0:20:25.399 what do you like to bate with? What I usually 0:20:25.560 --> 0:20:30.840 use is I'll do a lot of doughnuts, pastries, bacon, 0:20:31.640 --> 0:20:36.520 just pretty much the basic type stuff that you mean bacon, grease, 0:20:37.040 --> 0:20:42.399 no like bacon ends do you actually okay? Not cooked, 0:20:42.480 --> 0:20:45.520 not cooked bacon, raw bacon, cooke, bacon doesn't matter. I 0:20:45.680 --> 0:20:50.440 really like anything. Fatty pork, beef, you know, stuff like 0:20:50.560 --> 0:20:55.440 that mostly going to be pastries pop popcorn, which is 0:20:56.240 --> 0:20:58.520 a little bit of work doing that, but they really 0:20:58.800 --> 0:21:00.800 they really eat that popcorn and it, you know, it's 0:21:00.880 --> 0:21:03.359 small pieces and it really really have to work to 0:21:03.400 --> 0:21:07.359 bait and stay there to eat all that um corn 0:21:08.119 --> 0:21:11.040 do a lot of corn, deer corn, straight up deer corn. 0:21:11.200 --> 0:21:14.680 But I've I've kind of come up with a secret 0:21:14.720 --> 0:21:18.880 to that is I make these barrels. I've got these barrels. 0:21:18.920 --> 0:21:23.200 They're smaller about gallon barrels and they're tethered out with 0:21:23.240 --> 0:21:26.280 a chain or a cable and they're usually a snaptop 0:21:26.400 --> 0:21:28.920 lid so you can get them open easy. I drill 0:21:29.320 --> 0:21:32.480 three holes in one side that are about an inch max. 0:21:33.400 --> 0:21:35.760 And I fill that barrel with the corn, and I 0:21:35.880 --> 0:21:39.520 use maple syrup and I stir that in it turned 0:21:39.600 --> 0:21:42.040 and just they roll that thing and just roll that 0:21:42.200 --> 0:21:44.560 corn out and they just take hours to get that out. 0:21:45.280 --> 0:21:49.639 And the thing about that I really like doing that 0:21:49.800 --> 0:21:53.600 is because when they empty that big barrel, they've got 0:21:53.680 --> 0:21:55.440 something else to sit there and work that bait and 0:21:55.520 --> 0:21:59.399 stay there. They just keep coming for another thing I'll use. 0:21:59.480 --> 0:22:01.960 Sometimes it's always here a lot of people using dog 0:22:02.040 --> 0:22:05.600 food and such. I've not had much luck with dog food. 0:22:05.800 --> 0:22:08.880 The dog food, I do have luck with something that's 0:22:08.920 --> 0:22:11.119 more corn based. Like a lot of times you go 0:22:11.160 --> 0:22:13.320 down to the co op and you get there's some 0:22:13.400 --> 0:22:16.320 discard bags of dog food. I've seen where the bears 0:22:16.359 --> 0:22:18.359 will roll that barrel and roll that dog food out 0:22:18.440 --> 0:22:20.200 just to get the other stuff and leave that dog food. 0:22:20.880 --> 0:22:24.399 But there's certain brands of dog food even just that 0:22:24.480 --> 0:22:29.760 are more basic, less meat based, probably more just stuff 0:22:29.840 --> 0:22:32.320 the dirt. Cheap, Like if you go to have you 0:22:32.400 --> 0:22:35.200 had that express food. The cheaper stuff is better for bears. 0:22:35.560 --> 0:22:39.800 The stuff that has mostly corn for filler. Those bears 0:22:39.880 --> 0:22:41.760 like that better. You mix that with syrup and it's 0:22:41.840 --> 0:22:45.040 just like they're just crazy over it. Yeah, just go nuts. 0:22:45.119 --> 0:22:47.840 So let me ask you a couple of questions. You 0:22:47.920 --> 0:22:51.200 said something there that somebody might not understand in terms 0:22:51.280 --> 0:22:56.320 of the philosophy behind what you're doing. Like the first 0:22:56.359 --> 0:22:58.960 thing that the bear is gonna go to, Well, first 0:22:59.000 --> 0:23:01.840 of all, a bear will love anything that will make 0:23:01.880 --> 0:23:03.800 a human fat. That's the way I like to set 0:23:04.320 --> 0:23:09.840 I mean whether it's donuts, pastries, bread, sweets, sugary stuff, candy. 0:23:10.040 --> 0:23:11.920 I mean, they don't really like hard candy, but like 0:23:12.840 --> 0:23:18.119 gummy candies, you know, anything that's really sugary, uh, really fatty, 0:23:18.320 --> 0:23:21.520 lots of carbohydrates. They're gonna eat that. So let's say 0:23:21.520 --> 0:23:24.800 you've got a barrel and you've got donuts, you've got 0:23:24.920 --> 0:23:27.800 white bread, you've got some wheat bread. I found that 0:23:27.880 --> 0:23:30.359 bears just eat any kind of bread. I'll get this 0:23:30.560 --> 0:23:35.600 bread from a thrift store and shuck it. We call 0:23:35.640 --> 0:23:37.200 it shucking bread. But you know, take it out of 0:23:37.240 --> 0:23:39.800 the package, and man, they'll eat it like crazy. I 0:23:39.920 --> 0:23:42.640 pour a lot of grease on there. But so they'll 0:23:42.720 --> 0:23:45.760 they'll eat that down maybe. And if if you have 0:23:46.000 --> 0:23:49.359