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Speaker 1: My name is Clay Nucoleman. I'm the host of the

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Speaker 1: Bear Hunting Magazine podcast. I'll also be your host into

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Speaker 1: the world of hunting the icon of North American wilderness.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk about tactics, gear, conservation, but will also bring

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Speaker 1: This last week, I had the opportunity to be on

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Speaker 1: I've got Colby Colby moorehead the Bear Attack here with me.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna give kind of a little preamble to the podcast.

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Speaker 1: But last week, well it was actually we recorded it

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Speaker 1: cherry koolated powder or little you get the bags of

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00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:09,040
Speaker 1: the small marshmallows, sprinkle some in the there and stir

427
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:11,639
Speaker 1: that up, and that just melts together. It doesn't make

428
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:14,080
Speaker 1: a big gummy ball, but it's it's kind of sticky.

429
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:19,440
Speaker 1: While the popcorn's hot, right, it'll melt that the marshmallas down.

430
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:21,800
Speaker 1: You've just said, you said a couple of things that

431
00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:25,320
Speaker 1: are important. Number one was fried grease, which I know

432
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 1: all three of us. Friar grease is a major component

433
00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:32,960
Speaker 1: of what we're doing calling luard to your bait, I

434
00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:38,680
Speaker 1: think or grease. Used fried grease, which is accessible once

435
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:41,119
Speaker 1: you find a source, can be tough to get. It

436
00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:45,720
Speaker 1: can be tough to get, but every restaurant has gobs

437
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:49,840
Speaker 1: of used nasty friar grease, and they some people are

438
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:53,639
Speaker 1: selling it for people making using it for bole field

439
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:57,199
Speaker 1: cyclon and stuff. But most of the time you can

440
00:25:57,280 --> 00:25:59,200
Speaker 1: get it if you just go in and like hey,

441
00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:01,160
Speaker 1: and offered to pay for it. That's the way I've

442
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:04,159
Speaker 1: had luck, because pay you ten bucks if you let

443
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:07,200
Speaker 1: me get some fryar oil or something and U that's

444
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 1: essential to any bait, I feel like, because it's it's

445
00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:14,920
Speaker 1: it gets on their paths, they're making trails. It's not

446
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:19,080
Speaker 1: water soluble, it won't evaporate. I mean, you can sometimes

447
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:21,440
Speaker 1: go back to these bait sites a year later and

448
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 1: like not maybe not smell it, but still have the

449
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:28,440
Speaker 1: soaked dark earth there where the oil has been or

450
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:30,800
Speaker 1: the trees. You know, if you have a long standing

451
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 1: bait site. All those trees are just dark black rush

452
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:44,680
Speaker 1: additive import. Yeah. Yeah, well we can't talk about what

453
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:48,160
Speaker 1: tell them what you use royn as in the additive. Yeah,

454
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:51,280
Speaker 1: I mean the specific gold rush. Yeah, north Woods gold

455
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:54,720
Speaker 1: Rush absolutely, and it's uh, now have you used that,

456
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:59,879
Speaker 1: just really Northwood's gold Rush. Yeah, it's killer. Describe it

457
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 1: just a concentrated better scotch and uh, just it takes

458
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 1: maybe an ounce two ounces per you know, five gallon bucket,

459
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:14,280
Speaker 1: and it smells like pure candy and you know, so

460
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 1: it takes it takes this uh, it takes your frier grease,

461
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:20,960
Speaker 1: which fire grease has an odor, but it's not like

462
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:24,680
Speaker 1: a super strong odor, and it makes your frier grease

463
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:27,239
Speaker 1: have a super strong and they carry it with them

464
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:31,160
Speaker 1: everywhere they go and use it in liberal mounts, sling

465
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 1: it like safe border on your baits. Let the bears

466
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:38,160
Speaker 1: roll in it, step in it, just sling it way

467
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:41,240
Speaker 1: up in tree trunks and the foliage. And so the

468
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:45,360
Speaker 1: most of these fried grease additives, and there's multiple companies

469
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:48,680
Speaker 1: that make them, but we're using the gold Rush and

470
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 1: it comes in eight ounce bottle. It's like thirty six bucks.

471
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 1: But that eight once bottle, will I think it will

472
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:58,520
Speaker 1: treat forty gallons of grease. Now, I like to mix

473
00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:01,880
Speaker 1: it hot. I like to make hotter than what they say,

474
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:04,720
Speaker 1: so you know, I'll probably get twenty gallons of grease.

475
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 1: But still that's quite a bit of that's a lot

476
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:10,440
Speaker 1: of grease. So yeah, friar grease. The other thing that

477
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 1: you said was the powder sugary additives. That's good stuff.

478
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 1: Good stuff because those kool Aid powder bags do produce

479
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 1: a lot of scent and you can mix those in

480
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 1: and just anything that is going to cause more scent

481
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:27,640
Speaker 1: to be there. But we can talk about commercial sense

482
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:29,639
Speaker 1: to later, because I use a lot of I mean,

483
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:33,959
Speaker 1: aside from gold rushers, lots of other just spray products

484
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 1: and products, some of these you know Mama Pop stores

485
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 1: that sell like the out a date stuff, the big

486
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 1: bulk bags of gatorade, you know, in different flavors. I

487
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 1: found that's worked. The powder. The powder just makes it

488
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 1: like you would to kool Aid. Yeah, you know, baiting

489
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 1: here in Arkansas, you've gotta be kind of resourceful. It's uh,

490
00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 1: you know, there's a lot of people doing it, but

491
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 1: there's enough people doing it can make a lot of

492
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 1: competition for getting your bait. And and so last year,

493
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 1: you know, I came across a lot of good bait.

494
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:08,720
Speaker 1: You probably remember seeing those pallets of stuff I got

495
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 1: on the trailer. There was a there was a palette

496
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 1: of raspberry jelly buckets, bulk on that and that worked

497
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 1: really well. You know, anything berries, blueberries, raspberries, blackberries. They

498
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 1: love that, you know. So you said, uh, cheap dog food, corn, pastries, bread,

499
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 1: popcorn with marsh, marshmallows and kool aid. Let's just leave

500
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 1: that right there, right, pretend like he hadn't even talked,

501
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 1: and being serious, like I want to hear from zero.

502
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 1: You're baiting strategy. My hook up has been and it

503
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:48,760
Speaker 1: has been for a long time. Just uh, there's been

504
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 1: a bakery that makes lots and lots of pastries and

505
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 1: has lots of excess every day. So for me, is

506
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 1: that a good business model for them? I don't know.

507
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 1: As he gets tons and tons of doughnuts, and I'm

508
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 1: always like, man, they should make lass if they want

509
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 1: to make more money. You know, before it's baked, there's

510
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:13,720
Speaker 1: actually not that much material there. I see, I see

511
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:17,240
Speaker 1: you got a point, but no, you know, I usually

512
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:20,720
Speaker 1: I can get two d three hundred pounds of pastries

513
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 1: every day. Are you're gonna share some of that this year?

514
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 1: I've got people knocking my door down. Well you're gonna

515
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 1: share it with me though, right, because I'm your friend. Yeah,

516
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 1: I brought you one doughnut. He took a bite out

517
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 1: of it. Yeah, but that's uh, you know, usually my mainstay.

518
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:42,960
Speaker 1: But you know, like you other guys, we you know,

519
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 1: whold corn. I usually grease it down, is what I

520
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 1: do with the you know, the gold rush in it.

521
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 1: And like how much Let's say you got a fifty

522
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 1: five gallon drum full of corn, will will hold three

523
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 1: hundred pounds of shell corn? Yeah, so give somebody an

524
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 1: example of how much grease you would pour on that.

525
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 1: I've never filled one hole. I've got some roller barrels,

526
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 1: you know, and may put you know, half of five

527
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 1: gallon bucket two and a half gallons on it, really

528
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 1: soak it down good. Um. I've got a metal pipe

529
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 1: feeder that's been there practically growed into the tree where

530
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 1: I changed it fifteen years ago, and fill it up, um,

531
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 1: you know, And every once in a while I try

532
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 1: to stay away from the meat products. And now used

533
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 1: to you know, I do a lot of beaver trapping

534
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 1: and I used to do it for the county down there,

535
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 1: but I'd say beaver carcasses. But you have to have

536
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:45,960
Speaker 1: a hot bait. Lots of bears coming in. It seems

537
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 1: like the bears in this area you want fresh fresh meat.

538
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 1: If it starts to get at least what rancid, and

539
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 1: you've got a mess on your hands. And see that

540
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 1: would be different than Canada. Yeah, Canada and some of

541
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 1: these northern places that nastier the beaver, the better. Yeah,

542
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 1: that's that's strange. I don't know if it's just cause

543
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 1: maybe it's a little more cooler afair, not as humid

544
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 1: or something. But down here, I think it's just resource availability.

545
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 1: I mean in the far North they are there is

546
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 1: less stuff for them to eat up there. Yeah, and

547
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 1: I mean they're just taking advantage of any protein they

548
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 1: can get down here. These bears have a lot of options. Yeah,

549
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 1: I think it's just that just this year, you know,

550
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 1: every strain of oak tree is loaded. Uh, there's walking sticks.

551
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 1: Katie did tons of poke berries, you know, for Semme

552
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 1: trees are loaded. Blueberries did good. Blackberries did good, lots

553
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 1: of blackberries. So you know they've got more of a

554
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 1: smorious board down here. Uh maybe compared to the in timeframe,

555
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 1: these bears down here are staying awake for ten months

556
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 1: a year, nine to ten months a year. Northern bears

557
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 1: are staying awake maybe six to seven months a year.

558
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:01,960
Speaker 1: But the you know, back to what I say, and

559
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 1: my main core of my boots is pastries. Yeah, so

560
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 1: any other little tidbit secret things you do that you've

561
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 1: never told me about, not really, you know, Uh, you've

562
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 1: been holding out on me. I can see it in

563
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 1: your eyes. No, I try to keep as much there

564
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 1: as possible. You know. I don't know if that's something

565
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 1: Elays wanted to touch on right now, but you know

566
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 1: I have. That would be the next thing is how much?

567
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 1: But now, you did use some Asian food that you

568
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 1: were getting there for a while, didn't You didn't work?

569
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 1: Uh friends who actually worked for a guy that has

570
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 1: a Chinese restaurant down there in the town where I'm from.

571
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 1: And boy, every night when they'd empty buffet, there'll be

572
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 1: five gallon bucket or more of Chinese food. I'm like, man,

573
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 1: that bears ought to tear that up? Yeah, I poured

574
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 1: it out and you come back. It has not been

575
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 1: touched that where I'm at, they will not touch anything spicy, right,

576
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 1: It's strange. So I actually had to shovel it up

577
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:10,879
Speaker 1: back in some I forgot this story. I was thinking

578
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 1: that it was that it worked. Oh no, no, it

579
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:16,719
Speaker 1: didn't work, Jason. Have you ever put out something that

580
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:21,400
Speaker 1: did not work? Oh? Absolutely? One year I gotta. They

581
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 1: use it to as filler for cattle feed. They'll take

582
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 1: serial and you think bears all they love lucky charms

583
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:32,879
Speaker 1: and you know Captain crunch and stuff. But they pulverize

584
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 1: that cereal into like a powder, almost like rice brand.

585
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 1: And I used that and mix it in my roller

586
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:41,880
Speaker 1: barrels with corn and syrup and stuff, and I had

587
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:45,320
Speaker 1: to dump it out. They did corn. They would not

588
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:48,880
Speaker 1: touch that barrel with that. It immediately went from that

589
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 1: roller barrel being destroyed to the point where they had

590
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 1: it caved in on the side. They were rolling it

591
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 1: so hard. To the week I put that out, just

592
00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:00,799
Speaker 1: quit quit it, quit that particular Carol, and just kept

593
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 1: emptying rum non stuff. Okay, here's my story. One time,

594
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 1: I thought, well, bears leave our baits to go to

595
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 1: mass crop, right nuts, So I brought home, like two

596
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 1: hundred pounds of almonds, and they were they were seasoned

597
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:24,399
Speaker 1: that and that was probably the mistake salted and uh

598
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:28,080
Speaker 1: and uh, you know I never ate one, so it

599
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:32,279
Speaker 1: may have even had some of that smoked, like the

600
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 1: smoked almond, the liquid smoke artificial. Man. I put those

601
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:38,880
Speaker 1: out and I was like, bears are gonna love this stuff.

602
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:43,360
Speaker 1: They never they would. I mean they would walk circles

603
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:45,319
Speaker 1: around it, you know, to get debate. I mean they

604
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 1: didn't want anything to do with it. So you find

605
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:49,759
Speaker 1: stuff like that when you're baiting bears, and I think

606
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 1: regionally that's gonna be the case. It is, says you

607
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:55,880
Speaker 1: know me and uh, Carney got them big old pallets

608
00:35:55,920 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 1: of skittles. Last I dumped out here four or five

609
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 1: gallon buckets of skittles. Did not touch a single one.

610
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 1: Carney dumps him out up here where he's from. I

611
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 1: can't find a single one left. Same thing here your

612
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:14,719
Speaker 1: skittles last year. Remember, I tried to give you a

613
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 1: few cases them. They were a pain to unpack because

614
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:22,400
Speaker 1: they're in a little yes. Uh, the bears at my

615
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:26,239
Speaker 1: bait did like them. A few miles up the road

616
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 1: at my buddy's bait and wouldn't touch him. And I'm

617
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 1: sure some of the same bears were probably visiting both

618
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 1: those bait sides. But yeah, so I think the point

619
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:38,840
Speaker 1: is is that you before you commit your life to

620
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:43,320
Speaker 1: one's single bait, you better make sure that it works. Absolutely.

621
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:46,840
Speaker 1: I think bears get conditioned to stuff over the years. Absolutely.

622
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 1: I think that like maybe you could go back and

623
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 1: put out skittles this year, or maybe if you'd have

624
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 1: it is just theory, but sprinkled them in a little

625
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:58,759
Speaker 1: bit here and there rather than all at once, like

626
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 1: maybe they would grab actually move towards I know. It's

627
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 1: it's like that when guys feed rice brand with deer.

628
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:06,759
Speaker 1: You know, we can bait deer here in Arkansas, some

629
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 1: people put out rice brand. Sometimes the deer wanna eat

630
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 1: rice brand for weeks and then finally then finally one

631
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:13,880
Speaker 1: of them starts eating it and they're like, oh, this

632
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:18,800
Speaker 1: is basically corn, you know. Um. But so before you

633
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:22,279
Speaker 1: just commit to anything, you gotta know that they'll eat it.

634
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:24,399
Speaker 1: But the one thing that they will not turn down

635
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 1: is bread and pastry stuff. I mean, I think that

636
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 1: would be like the core of probably most of what

637
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:33,839
Speaker 1: we're doing. And popcorn related stuff. You know, I've seen

638
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 1: them be finicky with popcorn at times, but most of

639
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 1: the time they're gonna hammer the popcorn absolutely. Um. You know.

640
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 1: Let me talk about what I do with my baits,

641
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:47,880
Speaker 1: bread and donuts. Number one, I'm gonna have one full barrel,

642
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:50,800
Speaker 1: like packed like I'll jump in the barrel stomping it

643
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 1: down of bread, donuts, pastries of any kind that I

644
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 1: can get. As I'm putting it in, I'm putting in

645
00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 1: oil on top of it layers. You know. I'll put

646
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 1: in like ten inches of bread poor oil, ten more

647
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 1: inches of bread poor or you know, just kind of

648
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 1: make sure he gets evenly distributed. I'll have a roller barrel.

649
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 1: Just last year I started using a roller barrel, just

650
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:15,760
Speaker 1: like and Ryan does that and uh that that was major.

651
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:18,440
Speaker 1: And I'll put a full three pounds of corn in there.

652
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 1: And I've got about six probably two inch holes at

653
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 1: the bottom of my roller barrel with a with a

654
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:29,759
Speaker 1: uh fifty five gallon just around the rim of the bottom, yep,

655
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:32,279
Speaker 1: just at the very bottom low as I can get

656
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:34,960
Speaker 1: those holes. That's what I did. And I put an

657
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:38,359
Speaker 1: eyebolt in the barrel and put about an eighteen inch

658
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:40,319
Speaker 1: chain on a tree. So I mean they pretty much

659
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:43,399
Speaker 1: they really can't. It may be a two ft chain,

660
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 1: but I mean they really can't just like roll it

661
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:47,440
Speaker 1: all around, but they can knock it around and they

662
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 1: do um. And then the last several years I've gotten

663
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 1: bear bait from commercial bear bait distributors up north Lucky

664
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:59,239
Speaker 1: seven as where we got our stuff last year that

665
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:02,840
Speaker 1: he ate some of you, Like he had my backpack

666
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,439
Speaker 1: some into what he called a walk in bait one time,

667
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:10,839
Speaker 1: and I probably twenty pounds of liquorice. Yes, that's why

668
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 1: you didn't have near the load when we got back

669
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 1: in there, Like where's all this bait? Where did it go?

670
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 1: I thought you were loaded up more. Some of that

671
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:20,839
Speaker 1: stuff is good now. And so what I've used when

672
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 1: I've done that and I'm not doing it this year

673
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 1: is uh is we would have pop tarts. We would

674
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 1: have like like the tops of Oreo cookies. So I

675
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:32,319
Speaker 1: just envision or you guys would do it. But I'm

676
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:35,360
Speaker 1: describing this to people that wouldn't you know, envision Oreo

677
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 1: cookies without the filling, just a little chocolates or or

678
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:43,359
Speaker 1: vanilla ones. And then some years we've had ice cream

679
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:46,759
Speaker 1: cones just crunched up in a big, huge tote that

680
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:51,839
Speaker 1: probably weighs eight hundred pounds, like pop tarts, cookies, Uh yeah,

681
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:54,920
Speaker 1: sugar ice cream, sugar cones will have big buckets of

682
00:39:55,000 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 1: frosting which work great. Um, they have a couple of

683
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:04,800
Speaker 1: years ago, well, last year, I got boxes of gummies,

684
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 1: sour gummies. I thought they would have a hard time

685
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 1: with the sour gummies, and I think they did at first.

686
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:13,719
Speaker 1: The first time I bade it, I just poured out

687
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 1: a whole like forty pound box of sour gummies on

688
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 1: top of the barrel, and they didn't hardly mess with it.

689
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:22,440
Speaker 1: And I was like, dog on, They're not gonna eat

690
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 1: these things, and I'm gonna have all this bait. But

691
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 1: soon enough they started eating it and they ate it

692
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 1: all um. And then uh man, We've had a lot

693
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:39,120
Speaker 1: of different stuff, but the frostings, frostings and those uh well, uh,

694
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 1: kettle corn. You know a lot of these commercial baits, Troopers.

695
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:44,719
Speaker 1: You can buy kettle corn, which is popcorn that's got

696
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:47,799
Speaker 1: sugar and toffee and stuff mixed in with it, kind

697
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:50,759
Speaker 1: of like what you're doing. Um. And then the last

698
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:52,960
Speaker 1: thing I used was trail mix, which that's what a

699
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 1: lot of the Canadian guys and stuff up north uses

700
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 1: trail mix, which that would be like pretzels, uh eminem's

701
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 1: and nuts, varieties of nuts, and and the bears ate

702
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 1: it good. They ate it good. Um. So typically I

703
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 1: would have two full bears on a really good bait

704
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 1: that I knew a lot of bears were coming into,

705
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 1: two full barrels of you know, ice cream, cones or

706
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 1: whatever you kind of like my carbohydrate barrels into the

707
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 1: corn barrel, and then I would spray the heck out

708
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:25,880
Speaker 1: of it with a scent product just whatever people go

709
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:28,920
Speaker 1: nuts over, like the different types of scent, you know,

710
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 1: like what's the best scent to track the bear. I

711
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:34,759
Speaker 1: don't think there is one. I think they it's just

712
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 1: it's just a it's just a potent loud you know,

713
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 1: Ryan uses the word it's loud, you know, just a

714
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:48,280
Speaker 1: loud scent. But okay, that's that's good for that discussion.

715
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 1: We'll just leave that there. Uh. Second thing, how much

716
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:56,400
Speaker 1: do you bake? So ready to go? Typically, what I

717
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 1: do is I'll have the roller barrel. It's about thirty

718
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 1: gallon barrel. I'll put all a couple bags of corn

719
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:04,880
Speaker 1: and that probably or I might mix it with a

720
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 1: bag of corn and a bag of dog food. And

721
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 1: you know, like the way I make that roller bear,

722
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:11,759
Speaker 1: I make it those whole small enough they really have

723
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 1: to work to get that amount of feed out, but

724
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 1: always at five gallon drum as full as I can

725
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 1: get it. Sometimes last year I did to drums and

726
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:23,879
Speaker 1: a roller and and this is an established baits side

727
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 1: to very established so established baits side, you're bait. You've

728
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:29,920
Speaker 1: been baiting the same place for fifteen years. That particular

729
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 1: bait is old, faithful in fifteen years. And the amount

730
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:35,719
Speaker 1: of bears and the amount of big bears that come

731
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 1: to that bait is staggering to the point where I

732
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:41,920
Speaker 1: was like, you know, you know, I used to think, well,

733
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:43,360
Speaker 1: I want to keep them as ungry as possible, So

734
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 1: I just put one full barrel out in the empty

735
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:48,919
Speaker 1: out and then when I get back, the more feed

736
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 1: you can keep there, the more they will come to

737
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 1: that bait. They will stay. The best Canadian outfitters say that,

738
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:59,360
Speaker 1: and I I'm a fund believer. As much as possible,

739
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 1: I don't want bears out roaming looking further from yes,

740
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 1: I have a lot of reason to stay Yeah, I

741
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:11,839
Speaker 1: still talk to guys that are baiting small amounts of bait,

742
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:15,319
Speaker 1: and to be honest with you, a lot of times

743
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:17,279
Speaker 1: it's because they don't have access to a lot of bait.

744
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a lot of limiting factors in baiting,

745
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 1: Like some guys don't have access to the bait that

746
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 1: we do just because they don't. I mean, I don't

747
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:27,880
Speaker 1: know why they don't, but maybe they just don't have

748
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:30,359
Speaker 1: the time to look for it. It does can cost

749
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 1: some money, um, But we're talking about best case scenario,

750
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 1: like best practice, so we're not factoring in that. Yeah,

751
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 1: this is gonna be a massive hustle that's gonna take

752
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:44,759
Speaker 1: a ton of time and a ton of work, like

753
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:49,319
Speaker 1: that's guaranteed. Um, But best case scenario, you feed them

754
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 1: as much as possible much as possible. You know, in

755
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 1: my particular area, I've gotten to where I have lots

756
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:59,400
Speaker 1: of competition from other hunters in my area, and uh,

757
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 1: the more good quality bait and then more of it

758
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 1: I can keep there. To keep those bears coming to

759
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 1: my bait is key. I think it's key for having success.

760
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:12,800
Speaker 1: And because it's tough and mentally, it probably keeps you

761
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:17,800
Speaker 1: a little less stressed. Absolutely, Hey, even though I've got competition,

762
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:20,960
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm doing something right here. I go

763
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 1: above and beyond. It's a lot of work to do this,

764
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:28,400
Speaker 1: you guys know, Okay, tell them, tell me why it's why? Okay,

765
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 1: I'll be the devil's advocate here. I want my bears

766
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 1: to feel like there's competition at the bait, so my

767
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:37,319
Speaker 1: bears will eat all the food that I put out

768
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 1: for him. I'm just gonna put out like ten gallons

769
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:42,480
Speaker 1: every time I go in every two days. Why is

770
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:47,399
Speaker 1: that bad? Say, if you've got ten bears hitting this bait,

771
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:52,080
Speaker 1: it could potentially be wiped out in one evening. And

772
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:55,239
Speaker 1: then you've got, say, if you're only doing it once

773
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:58,799
Speaker 1: a week, there's six days of then going somewhere else.

774
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:01,800
Speaker 1: That's right. Absolutely, you'd be amazed that you guys wouldn't.

775
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 1: But people would be amazed at how many people have

776
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 1: bought into this idea that lack of food creates competition.

777
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 1: I have yet to find anybody that's been able to

778
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 1: convince me that that's true because all these outfitters and

779
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:18,759
Speaker 1: nothing against outfitters, but I'll tell you the best outfitters

780
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 1: I've ever hunted with gave them as much as they

781
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:24,280
Speaker 1: could they could eat, or legally, some places you legally

782
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:27,719
Speaker 1: can't bait. There's limits on how much you can bait.

783
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:30,279
Speaker 1: Some places here it's not we can put as much

784
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:32,759
Speaker 1: as you want. But there's this idea that if you

785
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:36,440
Speaker 1: put out less, there's competition because a bear is incentivized

786
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:39,319
Speaker 1: to come there earlier. And I always say, a bear

787
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 1: can't reason. A bear doesn't know that. A bear just

788
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:43,759
Speaker 1: shows up after dark and there's no bait there, and

789
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:46,040
Speaker 1: he goes, well, guess what, I'm not coming here again

790
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 1: because there's no food here. He's got to fill his

791
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:53,279
Speaker 1: belly up. So if you can just pound them, and

792
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:56,279
Speaker 1: I've had lots of people say, just yesterday, I talked

793
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 1: to a guy that said, uh, that said, oh man,

794
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:01,319
Speaker 1: you feed him too much much, they'll get they'll get where,

795
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:03,759
Speaker 1: they won't come in anymore. He thinks you can over

796
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:06,359
Speaker 1: feed them. Yeah, I don't. I don't. I don't agree

797
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 1: with that at all. I've found the opposite completely. I

798
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:13,360
Speaker 1: feel like, if, like I said, if if they go

799
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:16,279
Speaker 1: there and there's not feed there, they're going to someone

800
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:18,840
Speaker 1: else's bait. They're going down the ridge gonna eat acorns.

801
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:21,319
Speaker 1: They're gonna bears rome a long way. It's a lot

802
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 1: farther in a night and days time, and people realize,

803
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:27,399
Speaker 1: you know, and the more you can give them the better.

804
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:30,480
Speaker 1: Plus logistically, not everybody has time to run out in

805
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:34,759
Speaker 1: bait throw ten pounds of bait out every day. It's

806
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:37,600
Speaker 1: so if you put out five hundred pounds of bait

807
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 1: at one time, maybe you can go. I mean, depending

808
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:41,920
Speaker 1: up on how many bears are coming there. I have

809
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 1: a lot of people that are like, well, tell me

810
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 1: how often should I go and how much should have

811
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 1: put out? And I'm like, well, it matters how many

812
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 1: bears you're feeding. If you're feeding two bears, then maybe

813
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:54,360
Speaker 1: you don't have to go that much, and maybe you

814
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 1: don't need to put out that much because you don't

815
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 1: want your bait to spoil. You don't want your bait

816
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:00,960
Speaker 1: to get reined on and get more oldie and they're

817
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:03,880
Speaker 1: not gonna eat it. So you have to regulate. If

818
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:06,800
Speaker 1: you're feeding eight bears and two of them are five pounders,

819
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:10,960
Speaker 1: you better put out three full barrels and you better

820
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:15,520
Speaker 1: come back after about three days. I mean absolutely, Okay,

821
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 1: talk to me Ryan about like you're starting sequence. So

822
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:22,319
Speaker 1: we can start thirty days before season. You'll put out

823
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:26,400
Speaker 1: bait when and how often and just like walk me

824
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:30,319
Speaker 1: right to opening day. Well for me, you know, I'm

825
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:33,799
Speaker 1: sure it's different scenarios for different people. Say, if you're

826
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 1: got an established bait, says Jason or yourself, that there's

827
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 1: already bears living in the area, you know there's bears

828
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 1: visiting it before you even get there, So you could

829
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:48,360
Speaker 1: probably go in the first time and not bait it

830
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 1: super heavy. I mean, but if you know you're there,

831
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:55,239
Speaker 1: why not. But somebody that's finally going out for the

832
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 1: first time and gonna try it and say, I want

833
00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:00,239
Speaker 1: to sit for something here, don't load that barrel, don't

834
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:04,840
Speaker 1: put out because more than likely it's gonna ruin or

835
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:08,080
Speaker 1: go steale or get rain on it and just go sloppy.

836
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 1: But for me, say my main bait down uh South,

837
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:17,279
Speaker 1: you know, I will feel three barrels pump full and

838
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 1: uh a big pipe feeder probably hold fifty sixty pounds

839
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:25,759
Speaker 1: of corn, but you know, and sling the grease with

840
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 1: the additive to open up the bait. So you do that,

841
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:32,359
Speaker 1: and then when do you come back, Well, that's something else.

842
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 1: Now you've got the seal cameras. It will let you

843
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:39,719
Speaker 1: know when that bait is empty. You know. Yeah, you

844
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:42,759
Speaker 1: can tell by looking at the bait barrels in the

845
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:45,920
Speaker 1: pictures if they're empty or what's left on the ground.

846
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:49,560
Speaker 1: So that is a good tool versus having to go

847
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 1: back and pull cards and see. So you know, say,

848
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 1: if you know I have run my own company, work

849
00:48:57,280 --> 00:49:01,080
Speaker 1: for myself. If I say I baited on a Saturday

850
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:05,839
Speaker 1: and I see it's empty by Tuesday, I will take

851
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:08,800
Speaker 1: the time away from work to go down Tuesday to

852
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:12,319
Speaker 1: put bait in that. Some guys can't do that. They're

853
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:15,360
Speaker 1: punching the clock, so I may just have to do

854
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:19,080
Speaker 1: it on a Saturday and go to the next Saturday. Yeah,

855
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:24,920
Speaker 1: so uh break it down even simpler. Well, let me

856
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:28,319
Speaker 1: let me let me say. What I typically tell people

857
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:33,799
Speaker 1: is that put out bait thirty days before season, come

858
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 1: back in five days and check it, Assess how much

859
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:39,319
Speaker 1: they ate. And I'm just trying to break it down

860
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:42,920
Speaker 1: real simple. Come back five days later, assess what they ate.

861
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:45,399
Speaker 1: If they ate it to the ground and there's nothing

862
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:47,960
Speaker 1: left there, then put out more bait than you did

863
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 1: and come back in three days and more than there's

864
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:55,520
Speaker 1: gonna be new bears picking up all the time, all

865
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 1: the time, all the time. And basically usually what I

866
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:02,239
Speaker 1: do is the closer I get to season, the more

867
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:04,839
Speaker 1: I come back, and I get to where I'm coming

868
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:07,759
Speaker 1: back about every three days, but I'm putting out a

869
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:09,719
Speaker 1: lot of bait. You gotta put out a lot of

870
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:13,080
Speaker 1: bait if you're feeding ten bears for three days, and

871
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:15,960
Speaker 1: the closer I get to opening day, I might get

872
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 1: to where I'm coming in every two days. Uh, it

873
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:22,000
Speaker 1: means that how how would you do it? Jason? The

874
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:24,200
Speaker 1: same way what I typically do is I go in

875
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:26,719
Speaker 1: there and I'll fill the bait as full as I

876
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:29,279
Speaker 1: can get it. On the established bait it was a

877
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:32,560
Speaker 1: brand new bait, I just I might do half of

878
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:35,719
Speaker 1: the roller barrel and fill the main barrel up. And

879
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:40,759
Speaker 1: you know, because typically bait that's not established, it's gonna

880
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:43,520
Speaker 1: take till about midway through the month of baiting to

881
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 1: really get a good number of bears on there. But

882
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:50,759
Speaker 1: the established bait, I fill it up max capacity. The

883
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:53,360
Speaker 1: way I run my baits is I'll start on a Saturday,

884
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:57,279
Speaker 1: the closest Saturday to the first day that I can bait,

885
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:01,040
Speaker 1: and then I will fill it up completely full, and

886
00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:04,520
Speaker 1: I'll go back every Wednesday and every Saturday, white clockwork

887
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:08,439
Speaker 1: until seasons. Yeah, that's how I do it, And that's

888
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:14,319
Speaker 1: just logistically wise. That gives me the most even type

889
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:16,360
Speaker 1: days I can get in a seven week period or

890
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:20,040
Speaker 1: a seven day period, and uh, you know, fill the

891
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:22,279
Speaker 1: bait up as full as possible. One thing I did

892
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:24,200
Speaker 1: want to touch on. I don't know if you guys

893
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:27,640
Speaker 1: have tried this is uh used to on the fryar oil.

894
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:30,080
Speaker 1: I would throw it out everywhere, throw it up in

895
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:32,960
Speaker 1: trees and stuff. Well, sometimes you know, it can get

896
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:35,960
Speaker 1: hard to get ahold of firewall. And what I started

897
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:39,359
Speaker 1: doing this last year is I've I've got a pump

898
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:42,840
Speaker 1: sprayer now, and the clear the cleanest oil, or I

899
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:45,879
Speaker 1: can saint it out and screen it out and I'll

900
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:48,319
Speaker 1: pump spray and I can make a gallon or two

901
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:51,799
Speaker 1: gallon pump sprayer last several baitings and it will miss

902
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 1: such a fine mist and coat. Everything is so good.

903
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:57,839
Speaker 1: It really is efficient. So I've started doing that too.

904
00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:01,879
Speaker 1: I'll open that bait with full barrels of everything. I'll

905
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:04,520
Speaker 1: miss the gold rush friar oil all over everything. I

906
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:07,120
Speaker 1: can even if as high as it'll spray, because that's

907
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:11,879
Speaker 1: you're calling you know, so cool, that's that's a good tip. Mix.

908
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:17,040
Speaker 1: Then have you've done that before? Okay somebody I've heard that,

909
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:20,760
Speaker 1: but well maybe it was you that told me. Yeah, okay, okay.

910
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:25,719
Speaker 1: So the idea is that you just need to keep

911
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:29,960
Speaker 1: that bait full depending on how many bears are coming

912
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:32,160
Speaker 1: in a lot of guys are traveling. A lot of

913
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 1: guys like here are coming from the delta. They're coming

914
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:37,959
Speaker 1: from some place two or three hours away. So they're

915
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:41,279
Speaker 1: really trying to They're like trying to pry information, like, well,

916
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:43,360
Speaker 1: how often do you have to go? And so I

917
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:45,560
Speaker 1: try to break it down and you know, just kind

918
00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:49,520
Speaker 1: of give him a system and uh what I okay.

919
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:55,239
Speaker 1: So if somebody has questions, maybe they could, uh they

920
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:59,440
Speaker 1: could just message us somehow if we've missed something. My

921
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:04,840
Speaker 1: third question was what was my third question? What do

922
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:10,600
Speaker 1: you bait with? When do you bait um? Location? Location?

923
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:15,040
Speaker 1: Let's talk about location. To me, location is probably the

924
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:19,480
Speaker 1: most important part of the equation because not all bear

925
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:23,600
Speaker 1: sites are located. Are are are are created equal, I

926
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:26,880
Speaker 1: mean massively. You could be in a great Bear county

927
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:32,560
Speaker 1: and have a location that was not very good you could, uh,

928
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:37,160
Speaker 1: you know, people ask these kind of questions about you know, well,

929
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:39,600
Speaker 1: I'm in such and such county. That's a good Bear county.

930
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:41,600
Speaker 1: That means I got a good spot, right, And I'm like,

931
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:44,640
Speaker 1: well it may, I mean, it's a good start, but

932
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:47,719
Speaker 1: it but there's there are different locations that are that

933
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:52,359
Speaker 1: are going to be better. Describe to me not where

934
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:54,960
Speaker 1: it's at, but just kind of like the features of

935
00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:58,040
Speaker 1: some of your better bait. It's like, like what's around them?

936
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:02,560
Speaker 1: What what what makes it good or why do you

937
00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:06,320
Speaker 1: think it's good. Well, I'm gonna tell a little story

938
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:10,200
Speaker 1: of how I've got my first the really good bait

939
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:13,719
Speaker 1: that I ran for fifteen years back in two thousand three.

940
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:15,640
Speaker 1: When I started making shoot a guy to get it.

941
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:20,720
Speaker 1: It was very close. It came very close to possibly

942
00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:24,000
Speaker 1: because that's where Al Ryan got his good bait. I'll

943
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:27,239
Speaker 1: have to hear this. I'm just kidding, you know. You know,

944
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:30,120
Speaker 1: it could be hard to find locations to get permission

945
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:32,279
Speaker 1: on if you don't own property or no something. We

946
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:35,399
Speaker 1: can only bait on private land and right correct, it's

947
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:38,360
Speaker 1: so uh, I just happened to be I was just

948
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:41,640
Speaker 1: out looking for places I can bait. And I saw

949
00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:44,040
Speaker 1: an old guy sitting on a porch out in the mountains,

950
00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:46,680
Speaker 1: and uh, stop and talk to him, and he's like,

951
00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:49,640
Speaker 1: you know, I saw a bear the other day. He's like,

952
00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:51,640
Speaker 1: I don't think there's very many bears here, but you're

953
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:53,440
Speaker 1: welcome to try to bait. And he has a hundred

954
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:55,680
Speaker 1: and twenty three acres. It's a small place. It's split

955
00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:57,680
Speaker 1: by a county dirt road. As a matter of fact,

956
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:02,320
Speaker 1: and at the time, I wasn't really thinking about strategic location,

957
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:08,640
Speaker 1: but this property taught me the what to look for

958
00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:11,520
Speaker 1: because of the amount of bears and big bears I

959
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:15,240
Speaker 1: have routinely. It just it just gave me the knowledge

960
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:18,200
Speaker 1: of no one where to put it. So anyway, start

961
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:20,480
Speaker 1: baiting that year and I mean he's like, he's just like, well,

962
00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:22,719
Speaker 1: there's probably not many bears here. The first year I

963
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:26,560
Speaker 1: had several large bears and so I started bringing in

964
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:28,880
Speaker 1: photos and he's, man, I can't believe all these bears

965
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:30,400
Speaker 1: that are here, and you know, you never see them.

966
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:36,000
Speaker 1: Their secretive animals. So the way what it is is

967
00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:38,360
Speaker 1: you've got this big valley with the road run the

968
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:41,120
Speaker 1: center and then it runs up to two large ridges

969
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:46,400
Speaker 1: and they're running north and south. Both those ridges are

970
00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:50,720
Speaker 1: and uh, it had been logged probably twenty years earlier.

971
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:56,600
Speaker 1: And so it is the thickest, steepest, brieriest stuff BlackBerry brambles.

972
00:55:56,680 --> 00:55:58,600
Speaker 1: I mean you can you're crawling on hands and knees

973
00:55:58,640 --> 00:56:01,520
Speaker 1: to get through it if you're walking, and uh, if

974
00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:03,520
Speaker 1: you're trying to get off the hillsides, and it's steep

975
00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:04,880
Speaker 1: and rough, and it runs down to a lot of

976
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:07,719
Speaker 1: creek bottoms with locusts, thorns and a lot of saplings.

977
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:10,640
Speaker 1: Just the thickest, darkest, nastiest stuff you can be in.

978
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:14,600
Speaker 1: And uh, that's where those bears live. They like thick

979
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:17,080
Speaker 1: cover where they can be secretive and hide. That has

980
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:20,080
Speaker 1: lots of food. There's lots of hickories and acorns on

981
00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:23,600
Speaker 1: this It was all blackberries. So those bears live there.

982
00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:27,080
Speaker 1: They were just there. It's close to national forest. It's

983
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:30,800
Speaker 1: very it's surrounded by national forests, so it's you know,

984
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:34,440
Speaker 1: there's not a lot of pressure just directly around it.

985
00:56:35,160 --> 00:56:40,200
Speaker 1: And so but these bears are living basically in this

986
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:44,520
Speaker 1: big bowl that is just plum full of nasty briars

987
00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:47,160
Speaker 1: and blackberries, and its steep and nasty getting down to it.

988
00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:50,719
Speaker 1: And uh so I try to set up my bait

989
00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:54,080
Speaker 1: when I'm looking. I want to know, I want to

990
00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:56,239
Speaker 1: be able to place that bait where the prevailing wind

991
00:56:56,360 --> 00:56:58,920
Speaker 1: will carry the lure and the scent to where the

992
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:03,800
Speaker 1: bears are. And generally there's probably bears all around that

993
00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:07,640
Speaker 1: particular bait, but the majority of them almost always come

994
00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:11,239
Speaker 1: from the northwest to that bait, and that's down in

995
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:14,279
Speaker 1: that nasty bottom. That's where they live. And so I

996
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:16,120
Speaker 1: try to set it up and it can be really

997
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:18,000
Speaker 1: I have a lot of trouble with the wind, the

998
00:57:18,040 --> 00:57:22,000
Speaker 1: swirling winds. It's really really difficult there. But you get

999
00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:24,880
Speaker 1: a red neck blind. I hunted out ridden at Gilly

1000
00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:27,800
Speaker 1: Blind last year and it helped quite a bit, it did.

1001
00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:30,480
Speaker 1: And now that it's a real one, I know, I

1002
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:33,040
Speaker 1: don't kill everybody in the woods. It's it's on the

1003
00:57:33,160 --> 00:57:37,480
Speaker 1: it's on the agenda. But yeah, the prevailing winds is,

1004
00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:41,000
Speaker 1: you know, predominantly here. We have what south southwest winds,

1005
00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:44,320
Speaker 1: you know. And what's tough the last few years is

1006
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:46,080
Speaker 1: we've been getting a lot of easterly winds about the

1007
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:50,760
Speaker 1: time it's been bumping. It's like the fall is coming

1008
00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:54,840
Speaker 1: a little sooner now according to win our our hunt

1009
00:57:55,040 --> 00:58:00,200
Speaker 1: actually begins. But that's a good description of where it's at.

1010
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:02,880
Speaker 1: And I think the key thing, at least for here

1011
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:06,640
Speaker 1: is close to National Forest and that in other parts

1012
00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:10,040
Speaker 1: of the world that may translate just into it's it's

1013
00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:12,480
Speaker 1: in bear territory and these bears want to be and

1014
00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:17,360
Speaker 1: unfragmented wilderness is a phrase that we use a lot,

1015
00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:22,360
Speaker 1: which technically wouldn't be a human intrusion. You know, wheeler trails,

1016
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:26,280
Speaker 1: and see, our bears aren't in agg country, but there's

1017
00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:29,480
Speaker 1: parts of the world or the continent where they are

1018
00:58:30,560 --> 00:58:33,320
Speaker 1: that you know, bears are feeding in places where there's

1019
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:37,920
Speaker 1: our human activity, but here we're not. But and so

1020
00:58:38,040 --> 00:58:40,960
Speaker 1: we're trying to get into the most remote places that

1021
00:58:41,080 --> 00:58:42,919
Speaker 1: we can. And then like on a hundred and twenty

1022
00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:45,479
Speaker 1: acre farm, like you're trying to find a bait site

1023
00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:47,920
Speaker 1: that you can drive a truck to, I would imagine,

1024
00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:52,080
Speaker 1: but you're also trying to get as far I bet

1025
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:54,080
Speaker 1: you're trying to get as far away from the county

1026
00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:56,480
Speaker 1: road as you can, am I right, yeah, because that

1027
00:58:56,600 --> 00:58:59,080
Speaker 1: bear is not gonna want to come up within seventy

1028
00:58:59,160 --> 00:59:02,120
Speaker 1: five yards main County road with people coming up and

1029
00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:05,000
Speaker 1: down on over the season. I mean you're probably trying

1030
00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:06,680
Speaker 1: to get as far away from it as a quarter

1031
00:59:06,680 --> 00:59:09,400
Speaker 1: a mile minimum, if possible. You know, I like to

1032
00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:11,520
Speaker 1: be in there, and that's straight up the mountain, on

1033
00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:13,280
Speaker 1: the very top of the ridge, because and then you

1034
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:16,760
Speaker 1: can carry that scent and you'd rather be up higher

1035
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:19,680
Speaker 1: than lower. I prefer to be as high as possible,

1036
00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:25,000
Speaker 1: just for more stable winds. You know that. That's that's

1037
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:28,400
Speaker 1: the key, I think, I mean down low unless you've

1038
00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:31,200
Speaker 1: got a red neck blind. We can have a and

1039
00:59:31,360 --> 00:59:33,520
Speaker 1: and red neck blind didn't pay me a dime, they

1040
00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:38,400
Speaker 1: should And uh, good scent containment. Absolutely you can put it.

1041
00:59:38,520 --> 00:59:40,640
Speaker 1: You could put a bear bad wherever you wanted. But

1042
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:42,840
Speaker 1: because you said the bears are living down low, but

1043
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:47,000
Speaker 1: you're hunting up high, and there comes key, because yeah, absolutely,

1044
00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:51,680
Speaker 1: I've watched him. Just I put my stand as close

1045
00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:53,840
Speaker 1: to the break of the hill as I can because

1046
00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:56,320
Speaker 1: it drops off so steep. That keeps my scent traveling

1047
00:59:56,400 --> 00:59:59,640
Speaker 1: way up above, up high. And I don't I mean

1048
00:59:59,760 --> 01:00:02,040
Speaker 1: most to every bear that has come to that bait

1049
01:00:02,480 --> 01:00:04,200
Speaker 1: or that I've taken it, that they have come up

1050
01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:07,240
Speaker 1: from that bottom. I think a high bait too, is

1051
01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:11,480
Speaker 1: better for scent distribution of of because see you're not

1052
01:00:11,720 --> 01:00:14,960
Speaker 1: hunting there twenty four hours a day. Because if you

1053
01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:18,000
Speaker 1: think about scent distribution, it's also distributing your human scent.

1054
01:00:18,360 --> 01:00:20,840
Speaker 1: But think about the thermals coming and going off the

1055
01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:23,120
Speaker 1: top of a mountain. You know, in the evening time

1056
01:00:23,160 --> 01:00:25,800
Speaker 1: at night, that scent is going down in that valley,

1057
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:28,760
Speaker 1: and then in the morning time it's going up and

1058
01:00:28,840 --> 01:00:31,760
Speaker 1: the winds are carrying it to who knows where, a

1059
01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:35,560
Speaker 1: long ways away. One thing that Jason said that I'll

1060
01:00:35,560 --> 01:00:37,800
Speaker 1: bring up is that it's best to place a bait

1061
01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:39,560
Speaker 1: in a place where the prevailing winds are gonna be

1062
01:00:39,640 --> 01:00:44,120
Speaker 1: blowing the wind towards where bears are. That statement works

1063
01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:47,040
Speaker 1: in some places. In the example that I had was

1064
01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:50,720
Speaker 1: one time I had a piece of private land that

1065
01:00:50,920 --> 01:00:54,760
Speaker 1: was like on the border of big National forest and

1066
01:00:54,840 --> 01:00:56,960
Speaker 1: so on. You know, to the let's just say, to

1067
01:00:57,040 --> 01:00:59,480
Speaker 1: the north of this property was all civilization. I mean

1068
01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:02,120
Speaker 1: it was cattle of farms and roads, and behind it

1069
01:01:02,240 --> 01:01:03,840
Speaker 1: was big National forest. But there was a ton of

1070
01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:06,880
Speaker 1: bear in the Big National Forest. But the prevailing wind

1071
01:01:07,040 --> 01:01:10,240
Speaker 1: was blowing My bait sent into civilization and I could

1072
01:01:10,280 --> 01:01:12,960
Speaker 1: hardly ever get bears to come in there, even though

1073
01:01:13,080 --> 01:01:16,480
Speaker 1: it was right on the lip of this huge nasty

1074
01:01:16,640 --> 01:01:19,200
Speaker 1: canyon that I would look down in, and I mean

1075
01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:21,480
Speaker 1: there was like big national forest, and I was like,

1076
01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:25,440
Speaker 1: there are bears within a half mile here that I

1077
01:01:25,520 --> 01:01:28,000
Speaker 1: don't even know this baits here because you know, and

1078
01:01:28,080 --> 01:01:30,880
Speaker 1: I was waiting for a north wind which never came.

1079
01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:33,360
Speaker 1: You know, I baited that spot for five years and

1080
01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:35,000
Speaker 1: never could draw bears there. And I should have been

1081
01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:37,760
Speaker 1: able to. And if that bait had been on the

1082
01:01:38,040 --> 01:01:41,520
Speaker 1: other side of that National forest, where the a southerly

1083
01:01:41,600 --> 01:01:44,360
Speaker 1: wind or southwestern wind would have been blowing into that,

1084
01:01:44,760 --> 01:01:46,600
Speaker 1: I think I'd have drawn every bear out of there.

1085
01:01:47,080 --> 01:01:51,600
Speaker 1: That makes sense. So describe your good bait, Ryan, or

1086
01:01:51,720 --> 01:01:54,080
Speaker 1: where what you look for in a good bait. Well,

1087
01:01:54,240 --> 01:01:57,600
Speaker 1: you know, I just looked into the place I'm at.

1088
01:01:58,200 --> 01:02:04,520
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, it's been early two thousand's and it just happened.

1089
01:02:04,720 --> 01:02:07,600
Speaker 1: It's pretty much landlocked in the middle a national forest,

1090
01:02:08,440 --> 01:02:12,400
Speaker 1: but it has a valley on the back end. It's

1091
01:02:12,440 --> 01:02:16,800
Speaker 1: just got old beaver slews. It's thick, you know, briars,

1092
01:02:16,920 --> 01:02:20,600
Speaker 1: per simmons, you know, all kinds of brambles, but just

1093
01:02:20,720 --> 01:02:26,320
Speaker 1: a dark, dank area where bears love to live bed,

1094
01:02:26,560 --> 01:02:31,480
Speaker 1: you know, especially during the summer, late summer. But anyway,

1095
01:02:31,600 --> 01:02:36,640
Speaker 1: there's just bears there year round. So I actually didn't

1096
01:02:36,760 --> 01:02:39,360
Speaker 1: realize how good of a hot spot it was right

1097
01:02:39,400 --> 01:02:42,600
Speaker 1: off the bat and after the first year or two,

1098
01:02:43,240 --> 01:02:45,640
Speaker 1: and you know, I had somebodies that baited on the

1099
01:02:45,720 --> 01:02:48,600
Speaker 1: other side of that, and they were killing monster bears too.

1100
01:02:49,120 --> 01:02:52,040
Speaker 1: But it just you know, I call it the Valley

1101
01:02:52,080 --> 01:02:56,480
Speaker 1: of the Kings, you know, because yeah, it's just it.

1102
01:02:56,600 --> 01:03:00,880
Speaker 1: It's got monster bears in it. You know. Uh beastons

1103
01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:05,920
Speaker 1: have killed three or four plus pounds, yeah out of there,

1104
01:03:06,040 --> 01:03:09,040
Speaker 1: and I've taken you know, five hundred and I don't

1105
01:03:09,040 --> 01:03:12,360
Speaker 1: know how many fours out of it. So but you know,

1106
01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:17,480
Speaker 1: it ain't nothing on a good year to have you know,

1107
01:03:17,560 --> 01:03:21,600
Speaker 1: a dozen to eighteen bears on this one day. But

1108
01:03:22,680 --> 01:03:24,800
Speaker 1: you know, I just try to get as close as

1109
01:03:24,920 --> 01:03:28,080
Speaker 1: I can to the National Forest. Just happened to find

1110
01:03:28,120 --> 01:03:33,080
Speaker 1: a location that was suitable for a stand and where

1111
01:03:33,120 --> 01:03:35,360
Speaker 1: I felt like the bears, you know, I would want

1112
01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:38,120
Speaker 1: to travel, not have to think twice, you know, feel

1113
01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:40,960
Speaker 1: comfortable coming into it. But you know, it's just like

1114
01:03:41,160 --> 01:03:44,880
Speaker 1: Jason said, you know, it's the seasons are changing. You're

1115
01:03:44,880 --> 01:03:48,960
Speaker 1: gonna have south winds, north winds. It's it's just but

1116
01:03:49,360 --> 01:03:52,520
Speaker 1: you know, more or less on a west wind for

1117
01:03:52,760 --> 01:03:56,720
Speaker 1: me is going to take that scent into where the

1118
01:03:57,160 --> 01:04:01,160
Speaker 1: bears are living. But I've also got food plots on

1119
01:04:01,280 --> 01:04:04,040
Speaker 1: this property up on the top that I plant lots

1120
01:04:04,080 --> 01:04:07,080
Speaker 1: and lots of buck for joats. So all these acres

1121
01:04:07,120 --> 01:04:10,080
Speaker 1: of oats go to seed, and all summer long, these

1122
01:04:10,160 --> 01:04:14,280
Speaker 1: bears are living there eating seed tops off this So

1123
01:04:15,520 --> 01:04:17,960
Speaker 1: usually when I go into bait that you know, they're

1124
01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:21,680
Speaker 1: they're just pretty lickety split. Yeah, but you know it's

1125
01:04:21,880 --> 01:04:27,000
Speaker 1: it's got no human intrusion. Uh no roads close. But

1126
01:04:27,320 --> 01:04:30,360
Speaker 1: you know it's hard for the average joe to find,

1127
01:04:30,760 --> 01:04:32,480
Speaker 1: you know, a piece of ground like that. We all

1128
01:04:32,560 --> 01:04:36,640
Speaker 1: know that. So you know, guy might find a delta

1129
01:04:36,680 --> 01:04:41,000
Speaker 1: glease that's eighty or hundred acres that's pure pine timber.

1130
01:04:41,040 --> 01:04:42,920
Speaker 1: And you know how hard it is for bears to

1131
01:04:43,800 --> 01:04:46,960
Speaker 1: stay in pine timber a lot of the time. But

1132
01:04:47,200 --> 01:04:51,880
Speaker 1: you know it has to have you know, some big hardwoods,

1133
01:04:52,040 --> 01:04:57,120
Speaker 1: close water crevices, shade, you know, just nasty tangles. You

1134
01:04:57,440 --> 01:05:00,640
Speaker 1: hear a lot of people talk about water like, you know,

1135
01:05:00,640 --> 01:05:02,400
Speaker 1: if you're gonna have a good bait, water's got to

1136
01:05:02,440 --> 01:05:06,560
Speaker 1: be close. Um, that's true. If bears are eating that

1137
01:05:06,680 --> 01:05:09,000
Speaker 1: much food, they've got to be drinking a ton of water.

1138
01:05:09,560 --> 01:05:11,920
Speaker 1: But I don't find water to be the This is

1139
01:05:11,920 --> 01:05:13,840
Speaker 1: the one thing I don't understand about that argument, because

1140
01:05:13,880 --> 01:05:16,640
Speaker 1: any bear baiting article you're ever gonna read, they're gonna

1141
01:05:16,720 --> 01:05:19,600
Speaker 1: say water is a must. And I mean they make

1142
01:05:19,640 --> 01:05:21,680
Speaker 1: it sound like there's gotta be water within a hundred

1143
01:05:21,760 --> 01:05:25,360
Speaker 1: yards of your bait. I mean, it's great if there's

1144
01:05:25,400 --> 01:05:28,000
Speaker 1: water within a hundred yards of your bait. But I

1145
01:05:28,120 --> 01:05:31,240
Speaker 1: don't find that to be necessarily true because water is

1146
01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:34,120
Speaker 1: not the limiting factor. Well, most people think, well, it's

1147
01:05:34,120 --> 01:05:36,600
Speaker 1: got a pond on it, Well that'll work. Well, bears

1148
01:05:36,720 --> 01:05:39,280
Speaker 1: really don't utilize ponds that much. It's got to be

1149
01:05:39,400 --> 01:05:43,280
Speaker 1: a seep, you know, see yeah, and you might not

1150
01:05:43,560 --> 01:05:48,640
Speaker 1: know it's there, you know. And and animals will use that.

1151
01:05:49,280 --> 01:05:52,320
Speaker 1: Around here there's water and a whole lot more places

1152
01:05:52,360 --> 01:05:56,160
Speaker 1: than you would realize now what you're saying that, I mean,

1153
01:05:56,240 --> 01:05:59,240
Speaker 1: bears do. They will use a pond as a water

1154
01:05:59,320 --> 01:06:02,840
Speaker 1: source hunter per cent. And now I had the last podcast,

1155
01:06:03,000 --> 01:06:04,840
Speaker 1: James Brandenburg was on here and he asked me what

1156
01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:07,480
Speaker 1: kind of water sources spars were looking for, and I

1157
01:06:07,600 --> 01:06:10,160
Speaker 1: told him, I said, I don't think a bear cares

1158
01:06:10,160 --> 01:06:12,760
Speaker 1: whether he's drinking out of a mud hole. Remember one

1159
01:06:12,800 --> 01:06:14,919
Speaker 1: time when I was hunting with my grandpa, bird hunting

1160
01:06:15,040 --> 01:06:18,760
Speaker 1: quail dogs, and I watched a bird dog run up

1161
01:06:18,760 --> 01:06:21,439
Speaker 1: to a water hole and drink just some muddiest, nastiest water.

1162
01:06:22,360 --> 01:06:26,040
Speaker 1: And uh, I said, does that dog not mine drinking

1163
01:06:26,120 --> 01:06:28,520
Speaker 1: muddy water? And he said he could care less, he's

1164
01:06:28,560 --> 01:06:31,440
Speaker 1: just thirsty. I mean, now, they but I think they

1165
01:06:31,600 --> 01:06:35,160
Speaker 1: probably find themselves utilizing more of the smaller water sources

1166
01:06:35,240 --> 01:06:38,520
Speaker 1: and more secluded places. But point being, water is good,

1167
01:06:39,040 --> 01:06:42,280
Speaker 1: but there's at least around here, water is not a

1168
01:06:42,320 --> 01:06:48,240
Speaker 1: limiting resource most of the time. Um, okay, as we're

1169
01:06:48,280 --> 01:06:52,480
Speaker 1: closing down here, what would you say to somebody that

1170
01:06:52,920 --> 01:06:55,920
Speaker 1: was and and and even take it out of Arkansas

1171
01:06:56,360 --> 01:07:00,040
Speaker 1: because around here, you know the limiting factors. Find the

1172
01:07:00,200 --> 01:07:02,840
Speaker 1: private land that you can hunt, and we ain't giving

1173
01:07:02,920 --> 01:07:08,120
Speaker 1: nobody any tips about how to do that. That's a joke,

1174
01:07:08,600 --> 01:07:12,560
Speaker 1: It's sort of no. It's just the same way you'd

1175
01:07:12,640 --> 01:07:15,920
Speaker 1: find private land for deer hunting. I mean, get out

1176
01:07:15,960 --> 01:07:18,720
Speaker 1: and knock on doors, use your apps. I mean, these

1177
01:07:18,760 --> 01:07:22,400
Speaker 1: new apps are almost cheating for finding landowners. And if

1178
01:07:22,480 --> 01:07:24,040
Speaker 1: you want to find a place to bathe barry, you

1179
01:07:24,120 --> 01:07:26,960
Speaker 1: can find it. It's hard, I mean, they're all I mean,

1180
01:07:27,120 --> 01:07:29,880
Speaker 1: like there's we've been doing this now in this part

1181
01:07:29,920 --> 01:07:32,760
Speaker 1: of the world for almost twenty years, and so I

1182
01:07:32,840 --> 01:07:34,919
Speaker 1: mean like a lot of the good spots are taken,

1183
01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:37,960
Speaker 1: but there's good spots still out there that just are

1184
01:07:38,040 --> 01:07:41,440
Speaker 1: waiting for the right relationship to be built. And uh,

1185
01:07:42,040 --> 01:07:44,320
Speaker 1: and there's leases and different things that people can get on.

1186
01:07:44,760 --> 01:07:47,840
Speaker 1: So I'm joking about that about not telling people how

1187
01:07:47,880 --> 01:07:51,200
Speaker 1: to find private land. But let's say they're in Idaho

1188
01:07:51,960 --> 01:07:54,800
Speaker 1: and you can bat on public land there. Um, Like,

1189
01:07:55,320 --> 01:07:59,160
Speaker 1: give me like a one minute, like what would you

1190
01:07:59,600 --> 01:08:01,880
Speaker 1: what would you do to start a brand new bait?

1191
01:08:02,840 --> 01:08:05,560
Speaker 1: One minute, Jason, And I'm gonna ask you the same

1192
01:08:05,600 --> 01:08:10,440
Speaker 1: thing I would look for, not not necessarily location, Like okay,

1193
01:08:10,560 --> 01:08:12,440
Speaker 1: like just say, if I just want to slam a

1194
01:08:12,480 --> 01:08:14,840
Speaker 1: bait in real quick, just like what would you put out?

1195
01:08:15,240 --> 01:08:17,040
Speaker 1: You know, you'd say, I'd say I'd take a fifty

1196
01:08:17,080 --> 01:08:20,640
Speaker 1: five gallon drum and seasons open, I can hunt as

1197
01:08:20,720 --> 01:08:26,439
Speaker 1: soon as Yeah, what would you do pastries, bacon ends,

1198
01:08:28,479 --> 01:08:32,080
Speaker 1: dog food in maple syrup and fryar will and you

1199
01:08:32,200 --> 01:08:35,320
Speaker 1: put it in a fifty gallon drum trail camera. I

1200
01:08:35,439 --> 01:08:37,120
Speaker 1: put up trail camera to put up your tree stamp

1201
01:08:37,160 --> 01:08:39,760
Speaker 1: before a bear got there. Absolutely, I'd go ahead and

1202
01:08:39,880 --> 01:08:43,160
Speaker 1: just make that bait site hunt ready. Maybe how far

1203
01:08:43,240 --> 01:08:46,160
Speaker 1: would you put your stand from the bait? Twenty yards max?

1204
01:08:46,720 --> 01:08:51,760
Speaker 1: Probably for yards okay, okay, or as close as I

1205
01:08:51,800 --> 01:08:55,080
Speaker 1: could get to that particular bait and still have a

1206
01:08:55,120 --> 01:08:59,519
Speaker 1: good wind. For what I thought, Yeah, okay, what would

1207
01:08:59,520 --> 01:09:02,360
Speaker 1: you do Ryan, same scenario? I mean, like you say

1208
01:09:02,439 --> 01:09:05,960
Speaker 1: you want to open it up some food, you know, pastries,

1209
01:09:06,160 --> 01:09:11,000
Speaker 1: dog food, corn, but definitely the friar grease additive something

1210
01:09:11,120 --> 01:09:14,200
Speaker 1: to get the baits started. Use the air to your

1211
01:09:14,240 --> 01:09:17,600
Speaker 1: advantage to do that. But like say, go ahead and

1212
01:09:17,680 --> 01:09:21,000
Speaker 1: put that stand up and have that location turn key

1213
01:09:21,200 --> 01:09:25,960
Speaker 1: for not have to tinker around anymore. You know, this

1214
01:09:26,160 --> 01:09:28,880
Speaker 1: is kind of going backwards, But let's talk real quick

1215
01:09:28,920 --> 01:09:33,160
Speaker 1: about starting a bait, because that's a critical component is

1216
01:09:33,200 --> 01:09:36,000
Speaker 1: getting barrassed your bait. And I'll give one think of

1217
01:09:36,080 --> 01:09:39,760
Speaker 1: a tip for for starting a bait, you get one tip, Okay,

1218
01:09:39,800 --> 01:09:42,960
Speaker 1: I'll give mine. First tip for starting a bait is

1219
01:09:43,040 --> 01:09:47,680
Speaker 1: to do a drag. I once had a bait that

1220
01:09:47,760 --> 01:09:49,560
Speaker 1: I put out that was in a good spot and

1221
01:09:49,680 --> 01:09:52,200
Speaker 1: that actually baited it before and had a couple of

1222
01:09:52,240 --> 01:09:54,599
Speaker 1: bears coming there the year before put out a bait,

1223
01:09:54,720 --> 01:09:57,400
Speaker 1: expected bears to be right on it, but they didn't

1224
01:09:57,400 --> 01:09:59,759
Speaker 1: show up. A week later, I went back and nothing

1225
01:09:59,840 --> 01:10:02,880
Speaker 1: had touched it. And if this bait was down low,

1226
01:10:03,080 --> 01:10:05,000
Speaker 1: it's the only place I could hunt on. This place

1227
01:10:05,120 --> 01:10:06,880
Speaker 1: was down low, which I didn't want to be down

1228
01:10:06,960 --> 01:10:10,320
Speaker 1: low because the low is bad for scent distribution. And

1229
01:10:10,439 --> 01:10:14,200
Speaker 1: that's exactly what I found. Bait was low, no bears.

1230
01:10:14,920 --> 01:10:16,719
Speaker 1: And so I came to the bait and I wasn't

1231
01:10:16,760 --> 01:10:18,720
Speaker 1: prepared for this, but I had oil, and I cut

1232
01:10:18,800 --> 01:10:22,280
Speaker 1: the back of my shirt off about a fourteen inch

1233
01:10:22,360 --> 01:10:25,439
Speaker 1: strip about four inches tall, and had a piece of

1234
01:10:25,560 --> 01:10:28,519
Speaker 1: rope and I dipped that dip that piece of the

1235
01:10:28,560 --> 01:10:33,360
Speaker 1: shirt into my Northwoods, my my gold rush oil. Took

1236
01:10:33,400 --> 01:10:35,439
Speaker 1: a bottle of the gold rush, you know, I like

1237
01:10:35,560 --> 01:10:39,679
Speaker 1: poured the oil into like a twenty pepsi bottle or something,

1238
01:10:39,760 --> 01:10:43,120
Speaker 1: you know, and I just took off down the creek,

1239
01:10:43,840 --> 01:10:47,800
Speaker 1: walking walking, walking, just dragging that scent drag down the creek,

1240
01:10:48,200 --> 01:10:50,920
Speaker 1: and I drug it all the way until this valley

1241
01:10:51,040 --> 01:10:54,080
Speaker 1: opened up and where two other valleys met, and I

1242
01:10:54,160 --> 01:10:56,200
Speaker 1: made a big loop and I probably went half a

1243
01:10:56,280 --> 01:11:00,400
Speaker 1: mile one direction, but I got the scent out of

1244
01:11:00,600 --> 01:11:03,640
Speaker 1: that valley, right. I poured the scent out, you know,

1245
01:11:03,760 --> 01:11:07,240
Speaker 1: poor slung the oil around and then I came back.

1246
01:11:07,320 --> 01:11:11,280
Speaker 1: So I left to spig drag within a day. Absolutely.

1247
01:11:11,360 --> 01:11:15,880
Speaker 1: So there's my tip. Uh for starting a bait is Greece,

1248
01:11:15,960 --> 01:11:18,640
Speaker 1: but you could do a drag tip. I mean you

1249
01:11:18,760 --> 01:11:22,920
Speaker 1: basically covering point. Hey, I mean it's all about sent

1250
01:11:23,080 --> 01:11:28,519
Speaker 1: dispersal that has to happen. So I mean, like you say, um,

1251
01:11:28,840 --> 01:11:30,479
Speaker 1: you know, I had a buddy a couple of years ago,

1252
01:11:30,640 --> 01:11:33,560
Speaker 1: said hey, I'm in a prime spot over here in Oklahoma,

1253
01:11:34,360 --> 01:11:37,760
Speaker 1: and I've had it for two weeks and nothing. I said,

1254
01:11:38,000 --> 01:11:41,400
Speaker 1: get you some gold rush and just walk out all

1255
01:11:41,439 --> 01:11:44,000
Speaker 1: the private parts that you can, just like you said,

1256
01:11:44,040 --> 01:11:46,120
Speaker 1: with the rag or sling it here and there. And

1257
01:11:46,280 --> 01:11:49,360
Speaker 1: within three days he had multiple bears on the bait.

1258
01:11:49,800 --> 01:11:54,000
Speaker 1: So get out away from your bait. Yeah. Yeah, Sometimes

1259
01:11:54,040 --> 01:11:57,000
Speaker 1: I think sent a bait site can kind of depend

1260
01:11:57,040 --> 01:11:58,599
Speaker 1: up on where it's at, and you may be limited

1261
01:11:58,640 --> 01:11:59,880
Speaker 1: on where you can put it, so you may not

1262
01:12:00,000 --> 01:12:01,640
Speaker 1: build put it on top of a mountain. You may

1263
01:12:01,680 --> 01:12:02,960
Speaker 1: have to put it down the lower or something. And

1264
01:12:03,240 --> 01:12:05,519
Speaker 1: it kind of kind of holds in until there's a

1265
01:12:05,560 --> 01:12:08,639
Speaker 1: weather change. Sometimes a weather change we'll bring in bears.

1266
01:12:09,120 --> 01:12:11,840
Speaker 1: Remember a real good bear hunter down where I'm from.

1267
01:12:12,400 --> 01:12:14,800
Speaker 1: He he always said, Man, I'm waiting for a north wind.

1268
01:12:15,040 --> 01:12:16,479
Speaker 1: He said, as soon as I get a north wind,

1269
01:12:16,760 --> 01:12:19,800
Speaker 1: half of my baits will just turn on. I mean,

1270
01:12:19,920 --> 01:12:23,000
Speaker 1: but it's about scent distribution. But you can cheat that.

1271
01:12:23,680 --> 01:12:26,360
Speaker 1: You can cheat that with a drag because you can

1272
01:12:26,439 --> 01:12:29,720
Speaker 1: take your scent to another place. I want to come

1273
01:12:29,760 --> 01:12:32,640
Speaker 1: back and say another we'll do it. Go ahead, now

1274
01:12:33,760 --> 01:12:36,439
Speaker 1: you're gonna take Yeah, if you're gonna open up new

1275
01:12:36,760 --> 01:12:40,560
Speaker 1: place and you do have bears coming in, don't go

1276
01:12:40,800 --> 01:12:46,200
Speaker 1: in and put together a ladder stand. You know, not

1277
01:12:46,439 --> 01:12:50,719
Speaker 1: there now. I mean, if you feel like that there's

1278
01:12:50,760 --> 01:12:52,920
Speaker 1: a good chance there's gonna be bears there, go ahead

1279
01:12:52,960 --> 01:12:57,080
Speaker 1: and have your set up ready, and don't come back

1280
01:12:57,120 --> 01:13:00,799
Speaker 1: in there and tinker around setting up staying and scrinned

1281
01:13:00,840 --> 01:13:03,400
Speaker 1: tree steps, doing this, this and this, that's the most

1282
01:13:03,479 --> 01:13:07,600
Speaker 1: unnatural thing you could do, right, low pressure? Low pressure. Ye,

1283
01:13:07,760 --> 01:13:10,080
Speaker 1: well we're gonna talk. I want to talk about that.

1284
01:13:10,200 --> 01:13:12,760
Speaker 1: I want to talk about one one more thing after this,

1285
01:13:13,320 --> 01:13:15,360
Speaker 1: and that'll be hunting strategy. But what's your tip for

1286
01:13:15,439 --> 01:13:17,599
Speaker 1: starting a bait? You don't want to preach the choir,

1287
01:13:17,840 --> 01:13:22,360
Speaker 1: same thing, the scent, the fryer oil is key. I

1288
01:13:22,880 --> 01:13:25,679
Speaker 1: think I don't think you can have a successful bait

1289
01:13:25,920 --> 01:13:30,400
Speaker 1: period if you don't have the call leuer there. Have

1290
01:13:30,520 --> 01:13:32,880
Speaker 1: you ever done a burn? I have done, like a

1291
01:13:33,000 --> 01:13:35,720
Speaker 1: bacon burn, honey burn, stuff like that. You think it

1292
01:13:35,960 --> 01:13:39,280
Speaker 1: did much? You know it probably did, but it's just

1293
01:13:39,360 --> 01:13:41,400
Speaker 1: a lot of hassle. It's something I don't like to

1294
01:13:41,439 --> 01:13:43,120
Speaker 1: hassle with. It's just like he was talking about what

1295
01:13:43,200 --> 01:13:45,840
Speaker 1: the rhyme was talking about with the stands. I don't

1296
01:13:45,880 --> 01:13:49,360
Speaker 1: want to go in there ten days before season, after

1297
01:13:49,439 --> 01:13:51,639
Speaker 1: bear has been coming, and spend two hours there assemble

1298
01:13:51,680 --> 01:13:53,320
Speaker 1: and stand trying to figure out what tree you put in.

1299
01:13:53,520 --> 01:13:56,320
Speaker 1: I want it all figured out. Here's a tip when

1300
01:13:56,360 --> 01:13:59,679
Speaker 1: you put your bait out, when you're picking a location,

1301
01:14:00,040 --> 01:14:03,600
Speaker 1: make sure that you can get everything done initially that

1302
01:14:03,760 --> 01:14:05,600
Speaker 1: you want done to be ready to hunt. All you

1303
01:14:05,680 --> 01:14:07,360
Speaker 1: gotta do is go back in there in bait. Yes,

1304
01:14:07,439 --> 01:14:11,160
Speaker 1: And I know that there's times where like last year,

1305
01:14:11,920 --> 01:14:13,920
Speaker 1: last minute, I had to throw the red Nick Gilly

1306
01:14:13,960 --> 01:14:16,840
Speaker 1: blind in there because the wind was it was terrible

1307
01:14:16,880 --> 01:14:18,960
Speaker 1: east wind, and uh, I had to do something to

1308
01:14:18,960 --> 01:14:21,040
Speaker 1: build hunks. My stand wouldn't work. I was out of

1309
01:14:21,080 --> 01:14:24,000
Speaker 1: options at the point. So it worked. It worked. You

1310
01:14:24,080 --> 01:14:26,240
Speaker 1: kill the good bear last year and it worked. Yep,

1311
01:14:26,360 --> 01:14:29,400
Speaker 1: my Candice did. Actually you know, uh, we had that

1312
01:14:29,520 --> 01:14:31,840
Speaker 1: bad cold front coming and all that rain. It just

1313
01:14:31,880 --> 01:14:33,880
Speaker 1: kind of shut the bait down. But yes, she took

1314
01:14:33,880 --> 01:14:37,280
Speaker 1: a nice twounds. You took a pretty good one the

1315
01:14:37,360 --> 01:14:41,360
Speaker 1: year before though, Oh yeah, very yeah yeah. Color Chocolate

1316
01:14:41,400 --> 01:14:48,559
Speaker 1: Bear nineteen and four sixteen. Yeah, um, real quick, let's

1317
01:14:48,600 --> 01:14:53,080
Speaker 1: talk about let's talk about hunt strategy and tell I'll

1318
01:14:53,080 --> 01:14:56,800
Speaker 1: tell mine first. The way that I handle a bait

1319
01:14:57,040 --> 01:15:00,360
Speaker 1: is I want that bait to be a safe placed

1320
01:15:00,439 --> 01:15:04,720
Speaker 1: for that bear, and I want to be predictable. If

1321
01:15:04,840 --> 01:15:08,800
Speaker 1: you are predictable, the bears will be predictable. I will. Now,

1322
01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:12,640
Speaker 1: this is best case scenario and and you guys may

1323
01:15:12,720 --> 01:15:14,840
Speaker 1: do different stuff than this, but I don't ever go

1324
01:15:14,960 --> 01:15:18,120
Speaker 1: into a bait in the evening time, like during peak

1325
01:15:18,240 --> 01:15:21,200
Speaker 1: feeding hours, like I will rather. I would rather let

1326
01:15:21,240 --> 01:15:24,240
Speaker 1: a bait go dry then drive into a bait at

1327
01:15:24,280 --> 01:15:26,840
Speaker 1: seven o'clock at night and bump bears off of it.

1328
01:15:27,040 --> 01:15:29,519
Speaker 1: That's just the way I do it, um. And so

1329
01:15:29,680 --> 01:15:32,720
Speaker 1: I want to if if I'm predictable, the bears are predictable.

1330
01:15:33,040 --> 01:15:36,000
Speaker 1: If the bears are always thinking, is that guy you're not?

1331
01:15:36,479 --> 01:15:38,599
Speaker 1: The bears know that there's a human coming in here.

1332
01:15:38,760 --> 01:15:40,639
Speaker 1: We drive our trucks trap to the bait, We leave

1333
01:15:40,680 --> 01:15:44,200
Speaker 1: our scent like they know, even big bears. You know,

1334
01:15:44,320 --> 01:15:46,719
Speaker 1: last year I kill a five pound bear in Oklahoma.

1335
01:15:47,080 --> 01:15:49,800
Speaker 1: He absolutely knew I was there. He was out there

1336
01:15:49,960 --> 01:15:53,160
Speaker 1: listening to me, you know, when I was unloading my truck.

1337
01:15:53,200 --> 01:15:55,320
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think he was eighty yards out there,

1338
01:15:55,400 --> 01:15:57,559
Speaker 1: but I mean he was probably across the valley over

1339
01:15:57,640 --> 01:15:59,720
Speaker 1: on the ridge where he knew what was going on

1340
01:16:00,200 --> 01:16:05,040
Speaker 1: very much so. And he I wanted him to trust

1341
01:16:05,120 --> 01:16:10,040
Speaker 1: me like clockwork, And if I broke that trust, then

1342
01:16:10,360 --> 01:16:13,439
Speaker 1: his trust breaks, and all of a sudden he is wary.

1343
01:16:14,120 --> 01:16:16,439
Speaker 1: So I want him to feel totally comfortable coming in

1344
01:16:16,479 --> 01:16:18,840
Speaker 1: there in the evening, in the daytime and not be

1345
01:16:18,920 --> 01:16:21,160
Speaker 1: afraid that I'm gonna drive in, or I'm gonna sneak in,

1346
01:16:21,240 --> 01:16:23,479
Speaker 1: or I'm gonna slip in. What what I like to do.

1347
01:16:23,560 --> 01:16:26,040
Speaker 1: And I think this has been key for my success

1348
01:16:26,120 --> 01:16:29,120
Speaker 1: over bait has been because a lot of people ask

1349
01:16:29,160 --> 01:16:31,280
Speaker 1: what do you do on the day you hunt? Because

1350
01:16:31,280 --> 01:16:33,840
Speaker 1: a lot of guys bait on the day they hunt,

1351
01:16:33,960 --> 01:16:37,080
Speaker 1: like drive into the bait and then leave a hunter

1352
01:16:37,640 --> 01:16:40,800
Speaker 1: and then leap go out keep it. That's not a

1353
01:16:40,880 --> 01:16:45,240
Speaker 1: bad thing. I wouldn't say it's best practice though, to me,

1354
01:16:45,520 --> 01:16:49,679
Speaker 1: best practice what I've seen is I've also well two things.

1355
01:16:50,640 --> 01:16:54,080
Speaker 1: I find that the day after you bait is when

1356
01:16:54,120 --> 01:16:56,439
Speaker 1: a lot of those big bears come in in the daytime.

1357
01:16:56,880 --> 01:16:59,000
Speaker 1: If I'm in there at one o'clock in the afternoon

1358
01:16:59,080 --> 01:17:01,400
Speaker 1: putting out bait, they show up after dark. A lot

1359
01:17:01,479 --> 01:17:04,000
Speaker 1: of times the big ones show up after dark. Now

1360
01:17:04,000 --> 01:17:06,160
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about two pound bears. He may be

1361
01:17:06,320 --> 01:17:09,040
Speaker 1: licking the barrel while you're still in sight driving away.

1362
01:17:10,000 --> 01:17:13,280
Speaker 1: I'm talking about the big ones. I find that the

1363
01:17:13,360 --> 01:17:16,439
Speaker 1: day after you bait is when they are happiest can

1364
01:17:16,479 --> 01:17:18,559
Speaker 1: be because there's a ton of good bait, a lot

1365
01:17:18,640 --> 01:17:21,800
Speaker 1: of variety, and you've been gone for a long time.

1366
01:17:22,280 --> 01:17:25,559
Speaker 1: So I baited the day before season. In the day

1367
01:17:25,640 --> 01:17:28,840
Speaker 1: of season, I slip in like a ninja, and I

1368
01:17:28,880 --> 01:17:31,680
Speaker 1: don't want him to think I'm there. That's exactly how

1369
01:17:31,720 --> 01:17:35,000
Speaker 1: I do it. You know. Uh, some of these guys

1370
01:17:35,080 --> 01:17:40,160
Speaker 1: want to get in on the bait before daylight. It's

1371
01:17:40,280 --> 01:17:42,400
Speaker 1: it's tough. Yeah, I don't. You don't want to go

1372
01:17:42,479 --> 01:17:46,200
Speaker 1: on evenings. That's the probably the biggest thing that people

1373
01:17:47,360 --> 01:17:50,800
Speaker 1: And well, I want you to finish your To go

1374
01:17:51,120 --> 01:17:55,040
Speaker 1: walking in with a flashlight knowing there's bears in the areas,

1375
01:17:55,080 --> 01:17:59,400
Speaker 1: one of the most unnatural things you could do. If

1376
01:17:59,439 --> 01:18:04,759
Speaker 1: you're gonna the mornings, why not wait until daylight, ease

1377
01:18:04,960 --> 01:18:07,400
Speaker 1: down to it. And if there was a shooter bear

1378
01:18:07,479 --> 01:18:09,920
Speaker 1: on the bait, I mean you could put you can

1379
01:18:10,000 --> 01:18:12,840
Speaker 1: potentially get a shot, or you could just back off,

1380
01:18:13,400 --> 01:18:16,200
Speaker 1: but you know and slip in the stand quiet. But

1381
01:18:17,040 --> 01:18:20,919
Speaker 1: you know, and you hunt the evening or the afternoon.

1382
01:18:21,160 --> 01:18:23,080
Speaker 1: You know, according to what your cameras are telling you.

1383
01:18:23,760 --> 01:18:27,320
Speaker 1: When I get out of the tree, I shimmy down quiet.

1384
01:18:27,640 --> 01:18:29,960
Speaker 1: I do not turn on a tough flashlight till I'm

1385
01:18:30,439 --> 01:18:33,040
Speaker 1: a long ways from the bait. People say, well, it's unnerving,

1386
01:18:34,160 --> 01:18:37,559
Speaker 1: maybe a little bit. But you know, if you've done

1387
01:18:37,600 --> 01:18:40,120
Speaker 1: it for a while, you know how it is. Yeah,

1388
01:18:40,600 --> 01:18:45,280
Speaker 1: you know so that I knew you felt that way.

1389
01:18:45,760 --> 01:18:49,400
Speaker 1: Now what you just said. I talked a guy this week,

1390
01:18:50,000 --> 01:18:52,479
Speaker 1: Lee Walt. He I'm gonna have lead listening to this.

1391
01:18:52,560 --> 01:18:54,320
Speaker 1: He'll do it. He got a he got a spot

1392
01:18:54,439 --> 01:18:56,200
Speaker 1: up here that he can bait. And he was just like,

1393
01:18:56,360 --> 01:18:59,479
Speaker 1: what do I do? And uh? And I gave him

1394
01:18:59,520 --> 01:19:01,840
Speaker 1: a speed old about what to do. And he said,

1395
01:19:01,880 --> 01:19:05,120
Speaker 1: should we hunt mornings? And because he's hunting with me

1396
01:19:05,200 --> 01:19:08,080
Speaker 1: before and we only hunted eat, well, now we hunted mornings.

1397
01:19:08,680 --> 01:19:10,920
Speaker 1: He knows I don't like hunting mornings. And I said,

1398
01:19:10,960 --> 01:19:13,080
Speaker 1: it all matters what your goals are. I said, if

1399
01:19:13,080 --> 01:19:15,799
Speaker 1: you've got a five pound bear coming in there every evening,

1400
01:19:16,800 --> 01:19:21,639
Speaker 1: don't hunt the morning because you're gonna bump him. Because

1401
01:19:21,760 --> 01:19:25,320
Speaker 1: if if the thing about this trust thing is that

1402
01:19:25,560 --> 01:19:28,080
Speaker 1: if you're slip, if there's a human slipping in there

1403
01:19:28,160 --> 01:19:31,160
Speaker 1: on the opening day at an unnatural time and you

1404
01:19:31,520 --> 01:19:35,200
Speaker 1: inadvertently bumped that five hundred pound bear, you've broke that

1405
01:19:35,280 --> 01:19:38,120
Speaker 1: trust big time, even worse than driving in on him.

1406
01:19:38,240 --> 01:19:41,160
Speaker 1: And more than likely it's not a mature bears first rodeo,

1407
01:19:41,640 --> 01:19:45,759
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, in these parts because they visit lots

1408
01:19:45,800 --> 01:19:49,320
Speaker 1: of different baits up. So I told him, I said,

1409
01:19:49,320 --> 01:19:51,880
Speaker 1: if you just want to kill a bear, you could

1410
01:19:51,920 --> 01:19:54,800
Speaker 1: probably kill one in the morning, to slip in after

1411
01:19:54,920 --> 01:19:58,200
Speaker 1: daylight with a good wind if you can, and uh,

1412
01:19:58,320 --> 01:20:00,200
Speaker 1: you know, call, call and trying probably kill one. But

1413
01:20:00,240 --> 01:20:02,080
Speaker 1: I said, if you had a five pounder coming in there,

1414
01:20:02,479 --> 01:20:05,280
Speaker 1: don't just don't even hunt. Just sleep in and get

1415
01:20:05,360 --> 01:20:07,040
Speaker 1: in there at two o'clock in the afternoon when no

1416
01:20:07,160 --> 01:20:09,719
Speaker 1: bears are there for sure, and you can get in clean.

1417
01:20:10,439 --> 01:20:12,880
Speaker 1: So what do you think, Jason, You know I've got

1418
01:20:13,040 --> 01:20:16,280
Speaker 1: mixed for that, and that's good. Tell me how you've

1419
01:20:16,320 --> 01:20:19,479
Speaker 1: got Is my experience on the old faithful bait is

1420
01:20:20,439 --> 01:20:22,599
Speaker 1: I drive right to the bait, and I'm only able

1421
01:20:22,600 --> 01:20:25,800
Speaker 1: to bait Saturdays and Wednesdays. Well, on Wednesdays, I'm driving

1422
01:20:25,880 --> 01:20:28,719
Speaker 1: long ways from work. So I roll in there probably

1423
01:20:28,760 --> 01:20:31,640
Speaker 1: ten o'clock on Saturday's midday and I'll put out a

1424
01:20:31,680 --> 01:20:34,840
Speaker 1: lot of bait. And uh. And like you guys said that,

1425
01:20:34,960 --> 01:20:37,320
Speaker 1: the day after a baiting is usually the hot day.

1426
01:20:37,640 --> 01:20:39,599
Speaker 1: That's usually when most of the bears are gonna pound

1427
01:20:39,600 --> 01:20:41,639
Speaker 1: the baits. There's fresh bait there. A lot of times

1428
01:20:41,640 --> 01:20:43,760
Speaker 1: they've been out for a day and they're coming to

1429
01:20:43,880 --> 01:20:46,840
Speaker 1: check and they've fresh sitting there, but in the evening,

1430
01:20:48,000 --> 01:20:50,120
Speaker 1: I'm not getting there until six or six thirty afternoon.

1431
01:20:50,160 --> 01:20:53,240
Speaker 1: That I'm glad you said that, because I don't want

1432
01:20:53,280 --> 01:20:55,880
Speaker 1: to create a doctrine. I know there's other ways to

1433
01:20:55,960 --> 01:20:57,560
Speaker 1: do it than the way, and Ryan and I have

1434
01:20:57,680 --> 01:20:59,840
Speaker 1: talked so much, like and I've learned a ton from Ryan.

1435
01:21:00,080 --> 01:21:03,759
Speaker 1: We kind of have this ideal doctrine of baiting bears.

1436
01:21:03,960 --> 01:21:05,280
Speaker 1: That's part of the reason I wanted you to come,

1437
01:21:05,280 --> 01:21:07,920
Speaker 1: because I knew. I mean, like you're you're you're having

1438
01:21:07,960 --> 01:21:10,000
Speaker 1: to work and then go bait after work, so you're

1439
01:21:10,040 --> 01:21:12,120
Speaker 1: getting in there at six o'clock. I'm driving up there

1440
01:21:12,160 --> 01:21:15,719
Speaker 1: at six o'clock bumping a giant bear off the bait

1441
01:21:16,720 --> 01:21:19,400
Speaker 1: and leaving, and on the camera forty five minutes later,

1442
01:21:19,479 --> 01:21:22,559
Speaker 1: there's either that bear back or another giant. I mean,

1443
01:21:22,680 --> 01:21:26,640
Speaker 1: it's just it's and so it's working for you, it

1444
01:21:26,800 --> 01:21:30,160
Speaker 1: works for me. I would prefer I'm the same way

1445
01:21:30,160 --> 01:21:33,680
Speaker 1: as use guys before the day of the opening of

1446
01:21:33,720 --> 01:21:35,519
Speaker 1: the season. I want to have it bait it up

1447
01:21:35,520 --> 01:21:37,280
Speaker 1: the day before though, I mean that's what I prefer.

1448
01:21:37,360 --> 01:21:38,479
Speaker 1: I don't want to go in there and bait it

1449
01:21:38,600 --> 01:21:40,519
Speaker 1: that day and then go hunt it. I want to

1450
01:21:41,040 --> 01:21:42,920
Speaker 1: be in there. If it opens on a Saturday, I'm

1451
01:21:42,960 --> 01:21:46,240
Speaker 1: going Friday. I'm loading the heck out of it Friday evening.

1452
01:21:47,080 --> 01:21:48,600
Speaker 1: Some of those bears will come at night, but the

1453
01:21:48,640 --> 01:21:50,680
Speaker 1: majority of them are gonna come during the day or

1454
01:21:51,080 --> 01:21:53,400
Speaker 1: that next day because that's when it's prime and all

1455
01:21:53,479 --> 01:21:57,120
Speaker 1: the fresh scents gotten out there. And uh, you know,

1456
01:21:57,200 --> 01:21:59,640
Speaker 1: I used to hunt mornings quite a bit, and I

1457
01:21:59,760 --> 01:22:02,559
Speaker 1: kill two of my biggest bears in the morning, did

1458
01:22:02,640 --> 01:22:06,120
Speaker 1: you really My very first bear right after daylight, drove

1459
01:22:06,200 --> 01:22:08,639
Speaker 1: the truck up there, we got out, got in the stands,

1460
01:22:08,680 --> 01:22:11,360
Speaker 1: my buddy drove it down and at daylight I killed

1461
01:22:11,760 --> 01:22:14,840
Speaker 1: a nineteen and a half inch four pounder, first bear

1462
01:22:14,840 --> 01:22:18,960
Speaker 1: I ever killed. Yeah, giant. And uh, but I will

1463
01:22:19,000 --> 01:22:22,280
Speaker 1: tell another story, is I had a friend dropped me

1464
01:22:22,320 --> 01:22:24,160
Speaker 1: off at that bait at five forty five in the morning,

1465
01:22:24,200 --> 01:22:25,360
Speaker 1: cause I want to get in there early because a

1466
01:22:25,400 --> 01:22:26,880
Speaker 1: lot of times there are a lot of my bears

1467
01:22:26,920 --> 01:22:30,600
Speaker 1: are hitting my bait in the morning time, and you know,

1468
01:22:30,760 --> 01:22:34,160
Speaker 1: just like seven o'clock, eight thirty to ten, right in there.

1469
01:22:34,320 --> 01:22:37,200
Speaker 1: I get a lot of all day action, but it

1470
01:22:37,280 --> 01:22:39,439
Speaker 1: could have to do with where your baits at right

1471
01:22:39,560 --> 01:22:41,880
Speaker 1: if somebody else may not be getting that right. It's

1472
01:22:41,920 --> 01:22:44,200
Speaker 1: a good location and they're there and they're just visiting

1473
01:22:44,240 --> 01:22:47,200
Speaker 1: it all day and there's multiple bears there. I had

1474
01:22:47,200 --> 01:22:48,960
Speaker 1: a friend dropped me off at five forty five in

1475
01:22:49,040 --> 01:22:52,479
Speaker 1: the morning. I had my little led headlight on my

1476
01:22:52,640 --> 01:22:55,559
Speaker 1: head and as he's driving the a t V off,

1477
01:22:55,800 --> 01:22:58,120
Speaker 1: I'm in the stand and I can still see his

1478
01:22:58,240 --> 01:23:00,479
Speaker 1: headlights going off the hill and I turned my light

1479
01:23:00,640 --> 01:23:03,240
Speaker 1: hits that bait site and there is a giant standing

1480
01:23:03,280 --> 01:23:06,679
Speaker 1: in the bait. Wow, literally ten minutes after he dropped

1481
01:23:06,680 --> 01:23:09,360
Speaker 1: me off, and I had to sit there with that

1482
01:23:09,520 --> 01:23:11,400
Speaker 1: bear in the bait until it got daylight. And he

1483
01:23:11,560 --> 01:23:15,200
Speaker 1: left before it was shooting light. So but that and

1484
01:23:15,360 --> 01:23:18,240
Speaker 1: at that point I was like, you know, I feel

1485
01:23:18,320 --> 01:23:23,439
Speaker 1: like after that because see he he came right in

1486
01:23:23,640 --> 01:23:25,720
Speaker 1: stood there for a few minutes. Well, I mean like,

1487
01:23:25,880 --> 01:23:28,000
Speaker 1: did were you able to kill that bear? No? No,

1488
01:23:28,200 --> 01:23:32,640
Speaker 1: he he left. I was down to uh there there

1489
01:23:32,720 --> 01:23:34,679
Speaker 1: was a hill, There's a big hill to my east

1490
01:23:34,760 --> 01:23:36,599
Speaker 1: and the sun was coming up in the stage really

1491
01:23:36,720 --> 01:23:38,960
Speaker 1: dark even on top of the mount. I guess my

1492
01:23:39,120 --> 01:23:41,560
Speaker 1: question is more what did he do after that? Like

1493
01:23:41,680 --> 01:23:44,120
Speaker 1: in terms of what did he keep coming in the daytime?

1494
01:23:44,160 --> 01:23:46,559
Speaker 1: Because I mean what you just described is what we're saying.

1495
01:23:46,640 --> 01:23:49,040
Speaker 1: Don't do you know, I don't know because they end

1496
01:23:49,120 --> 01:23:55,960
Speaker 1: up killing a nice chocolate bear that evening. Okay, Well

1497
01:23:56,080 --> 01:23:58,240
Speaker 1: that's a good answer. Yeah, So you don't know. You

1498
01:23:58,240 --> 01:24:00,760
Speaker 1: don't know if he if he if you're returned and

1499
01:24:02,000 --> 01:24:05,479
Speaker 1: that evening, okay. You know, everybody has their trial and

1500
01:24:05,560 --> 01:24:08,200
Speaker 1: there in their certain ways to to do, you know,

1501
01:24:08,439 --> 01:24:12,519
Speaker 1: but you know his baits side, the bears are gonna

1502
01:24:12,520 --> 01:24:15,559
Speaker 1: act different than mine. You know what I baited up

1503
01:24:15,560 --> 01:24:19,200
Speaker 1: in this area. You know, these bears were totally different

1504
01:24:20,840 --> 01:24:23,920
Speaker 1: the way they acted down in the South. So it

1505
01:24:24,080 --> 01:24:29,280
Speaker 1: was strange. But a guy's just gotta a guy's gotta

1506
01:24:29,360 --> 01:24:31,920
Speaker 1: find a way to have success and just stick with

1507
01:24:31,960 --> 01:24:34,760
Speaker 1: a plan. And I think that's what we've all done,

1508
01:24:34,840 --> 01:24:36,320
Speaker 1: is you just gotta stick with a plan, and you

1509
01:24:36,400 --> 01:24:39,680
Speaker 1: gotta work hard, and you gotta think it through and

1510
01:24:39,840 --> 01:24:41,680
Speaker 1: you gotta you just gotta think about these things. If

1511
01:24:41,720 --> 01:24:44,919
Speaker 1: nothing else, this is gonna get people thinking and everybody's

1512
01:24:44,920 --> 01:24:46,880
Speaker 1: working with a different scenario like you're working with a

1513
01:24:46,960 --> 01:24:48,760
Speaker 1: deal where you don't you know, Ryan and I work

1514
01:24:48,800 --> 01:24:50,760
Speaker 1: for ourselves, so we can do kind of what we want,

1515
01:24:50,880 --> 01:24:55,200
Speaker 1: and that's a big factor. Um. But most people are

1516
01:24:55,280 --> 01:24:56,519
Speaker 1: having to you know, might have to go in the

1517
01:24:56,600 --> 01:24:58,160
Speaker 1: evening time. Well if you go in the evening time

1518
01:24:58,240 --> 01:25:02,200
Speaker 1: to be consistent, you know, um. And anyway, there's a

1519
01:25:02,240 --> 01:25:06,400
Speaker 1: lot of variables. And ultimately, I think what I'd like

1520
01:25:06,520 --> 01:25:10,519
Speaker 1: to say is that it's harder than most people think

1521
01:25:11,040 --> 01:25:13,240
Speaker 1: to kill a bear over bait, especially a big one.

1522
01:25:13,840 --> 01:25:15,479
Speaker 1: I mean, you gotta do a lot of things right

1523
01:25:15,520 --> 01:25:21,080
Speaker 1: to kill a big bear overbait. Um. And you've you know,

1524
01:25:21,800 --> 01:25:25,000
Speaker 1: like here in Arkansas. I've actually never killed a big

1525
01:25:25,120 --> 01:25:29,479
Speaker 1: bear overbait in Arkansas. It's really tough and and and

1526
01:25:30,040 --> 01:25:31,960
Speaker 1: part of that's not that's kind of cheat and not

1527
01:25:32,240 --> 01:25:34,680
Speaker 1: totally fair. Didn't tell the whole story. I mean, I've

1528
01:25:34,720 --> 01:25:38,000
Speaker 1: baited all these years, and I've helped a lot of

1529
01:25:38,040 --> 01:25:40,840
Speaker 1: people kill bears a lot of times. My kids are

1530
01:25:41,160 --> 01:25:44,519
Speaker 1: the priority of what I'm trying to do. Um. And

1531
01:25:44,640 --> 01:25:49,000
Speaker 1: then I've focused my other attention and now in Oklahoma

1532
01:25:49,080 --> 01:25:50,800
Speaker 1: I have and it's a different story. It's just a

1533
01:25:50,840 --> 01:25:53,000
Speaker 1: different story. I got better places over there. Than I

1534
01:25:53,080 --> 01:25:58,000
Speaker 1: do here. Um, And anyway, I say that to say,

1535
01:25:58,280 --> 01:26:01,240
Speaker 1: it's not easy. We're talking and like it's just it's

1536
01:26:01,320 --> 01:26:03,920
Speaker 1: just easy. My my places in Arkansas have gotten worse

1537
01:26:04,360 --> 01:26:08,439
Speaker 1: actually over the last five years. Yeah. We just five

1538
01:26:08,520 --> 01:26:10,280
Speaker 1: years ago when there was a time when I was

1539
01:26:10,920 --> 01:26:13,800
Speaker 1: I wasn't guiding, but we were auctioning a hunt off

1540
01:26:14,000 --> 01:26:17,920
Speaker 1: for the association. We put people on big bears for

1541
01:26:18,080 --> 01:26:19,920
Speaker 1: several years in a row that they should have killed

1542
01:26:20,040 --> 01:26:24,120
Speaker 1: big ones on open day and they didn't. Um. But

1543
01:26:25,120 --> 01:26:26,960
Speaker 1: I just say it's hard, That's what I say. I

1544
01:26:27,000 --> 01:26:28,680
Speaker 1: mean a lot of some people don't understand. And I

1545
01:26:28,760 --> 01:26:32,080
Speaker 1: think I'll do a preamble intro to this here. I'm

1546
01:26:32,080 --> 01:26:35,160
Speaker 1: gonna talk about the fair chase aspects of baiting hunting

1547
01:26:35,200 --> 01:26:37,519
Speaker 1: over bait, because it's a it's a ton of work.

1548
01:26:38,320 --> 01:26:40,519
Speaker 1: It's you know, the dream is free, the hustle is

1549
01:26:40,560 --> 01:26:48,479
Speaker 1: sold separately. As they say, well, um, closing thoughts going once,

1550
01:26:50,360 --> 01:26:53,160
Speaker 1: If you're gonna have hunt bear mature bears, it's it's

1551
01:26:53,240 --> 01:26:56,160
Speaker 1: like a marriage. You've gotta have desire and effort, you know,

1552
01:26:56,560 --> 01:27:00,559
Speaker 1: and that combined you'll be more successful. Also, a lot

1553
01:27:00,640 --> 01:27:05,599
Speaker 1: of sweat equity involved with baiting Bears hardcore. Absolutely don't

1554
01:27:06,320 --> 01:27:10,200
Speaker 1: get out there and get good locations, get good basic

1555
01:27:10,600 --> 01:27:13,559
Speaker 1: and absolutely put the work in. You want good results,

1556
01:27:13,560 --> 01:27:16,640
Speaker 1: you gotta put in the work. Otherwise, you know, you

1557
01:27:16,760 --> 01:27:24,599
Speaker 1: can't just take shortcuts. Full effort, full effort, all right, Well,

1558
01:27:25,760 --> 01:27:28,240
Speaker 1: keep the wild places wild, because that's where the bears

1559
01:27:28,280 --> 01:27:28,439
Speaker 1: will