Speaker 1: What up, y'all. This is your main man, Memphis Bleak
Speaker 1: right here.
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Speaker 1: Big with the year Memphis. I'm blackydy niggas.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, y'all you already know what it is.
Speaker 2: Yours truly back with another exclusive of rock Solid podcast.
Speaker 2: Like I tell you, when you see people sitting on
Speaker 2: this platform, it's two things.
Speaker 1: One they my brother. Two they definitely solid.
Speaker 2: And this man to the left of me right here,
Speaker 2: welcome Peter Guns to the building. He's nothing but solid
Speaker 2: and been a big bro to me in this industry.
Speaker 1: Every time I seen them. He gave me nothing but gems.
Speaker 2: Jewels and love to go off with and take it
Speaker 2: how I take it and let it grow on my
Speaker 2: tree to where it grow.
Speaker 1: And I appreciate you for that.
Speaker 2: One of the hip hop legends from New York, Bronx Harlem,
Speaker 2: all that shit the same to me because I'm from Brooklyn,
Speaker 2: you know. He Welcome my nigga, Peter Guds to the building.
Speaker 1: Love my brother. Let's toast one man.
Speaker 3: Come on, let me see you man do the intro
Speaker 3: to My show Man. That was beautiful. My brother, man,
Speaker 3: how you been my g man hanging in the working
Speaker 3: that's right. You know, I got these mouths, got to
Speaker 3: do something.
Speaker 1: That's right. Man.
Speaker 2: You everywhere, my nigga, you everywhere. I can't turn on
Speaker 2: the TV without seeing guds g.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: It's work now, man, you know it's it's the music
Speaker 3: industry is a little weird, so you got to go
Speaker 3: out there and figure it out another way. That's so fast,
Speaker 3: that's always been there before.
Speaker 2: We talk about present because everybody know what's going on present.
Speaker 2: Let's give them a refresher. Let's go back, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean. Back born and raised in the Bronx.
Speaker 2: How did the upbringing shape your musical impact, like like
Speaker 2: how you got in the game and made you want
Speaker 2: to do this music thing?
Speaker 3: Well, from a kid, you know, my mom, my parents,
Speaker 3: my moms and pops was into different types of music.
Speaker 3: Fifties mostly do they you know, we're older. So there
Speaker 3: was music, jazz music always around the house. So I'm
Speaker 3: a musician personal people.
Speaker 1: I saw that you playing the guitar, I saw that.
Speaker 3: On drums, guitar keyboards. So I was always a musician
Speaker 3: and then my I come from the other side of
Speaker 3: the game. There's another side of the game people don't know.
Speaker 3: So you got whole and then you know I was
Speaker 3: getting it in the drug game. I grew up with
Speaker 3: a household full of drug addicts. My three older brothers
Speaker 3: was on crack. One of my brothers was on heroin.
Speaker 3: So there's another side to it. So people people used
Speaker 3: to be like guns, you never talk about when he
Speaker 3: was getting in the eighties. My eighties was different from
Speaker 3: a lot of other people's eighties. My eighties was the
Speaker 3: other side of that. There's another side to that story
Speaker 3: people never talk about. So if you ever hear me
Speaker 3: talk about uh when I'm rhyming, you don't much hear
Speaker 3: me say stuff about drugs. I grew up with it,
Speaker 3: you know, cousins, everybody. I caught the other side of that,
Speaker 3: that that era. So I had a older brother in
Speaker 3: particular that if my father bought me a guitar, nigga
Speaker 3: was stealing something and my boys that was hustling outside.
Speaker 3: They'll bring shit back, but my mother keep letting them
Speaker 3: in stealing.
Speaker 1: And shit like that. Everybody had that family. We had.
Speaker 3: I had that side of the game, but eventually he
Speaker 3: couldn't still rap. So I grew up on the block
Speaker 3: where the Cold Crush Brothers was from and Idolin's Grandmaster Cast.
Speaker 3: I even named my uh my son Kaz after him.
Speaker 3: One of my son's name was Cadz because that's how
Speaker 3: much he inspired me. And I just started rapping man,
Speaker 3: you know, playing drums, rapp playing on whatever I could play,
Speaker 3: writing in Roman, and I was more on the I
Speaker 3: was more on the ll cu J Big Daddy King
Speaker 3: because I thought street dudes that also get the girls.
Speaker 3: That's what I was, That's right. So my first rap
Speaker 3: name was Pete Love.
Speaker 1: Pete everybody had the level the name back then.
Speaker 3: So my cousins from Virginia would come up, bring guns up,
Speaker 3: and I sell a gun that they paid for two
Speaker 3: hundred dollars for six fifty this that ooh, and then
Speaker 3: eventually I got caught, and when I came out, man
Speaker 3: in my buildings said you can't be Pete Love no more.
Speaker 3: You pee a gun, m on it and the rest
Speaker 3: is history. But yeah, so musically I'm a musician. Once
Speaker 3: she started popping, I started buying instruments again and playing
Speaker 3: my instruments and you know, and getting it going. But
Speaker 3: it's impossibly to be where I'm from.
Speaker 1: It not rap.
Speaker 3: It was just impossible, cold crust for dead furious five,
Speaker 3: all all the early, early on. Because I'm fifty seven,
Speaker 3: so I was right there, right, I was on the
Speaker 3: I was right under those guys.
Speaker 1: What music.
Speaker 2: Hip Hop was only six seven by the time hip
Speaker 2: hop is only sixty. So you watch the birth of
Speaker 2: hip hop literally from the Bronx from your from the
Speaker 2: back of the.
Speaker 3: Building on my block burned down and sept mine, so
Speaker 3: you would. People don't know that.
Speaker 1: It was like it was like I remember the Bronx.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Bronx was a bunch of abandoned lots, abandoned buildings.
Speaker 2: If you ever burned down cars, all of that. When
Speaker 2: I was a short if.
Speaker 3: You ever google the President Carter when he came to
Speaker 3: the Bronx, that's my neighborhood.
Speaker 1: He's standing there, it's right, damn, that's crazy.
Speaker 3: And it's all burned down and he was like, I
Speaker 3: can't believe this is New York or America. Yeah, but
Speaker 3: you know the crazy thing is still with all of
Speaker 3: this stuff, I'm telling you, still had an amazing time,
Speaker 3: amazing life. I'm built for anything from hard times. There's
Speaker 3: nothing that could happen to me that I'm not built for.
Speaker 1: That's right, that's what.
Speaker 3: And it was only going up, it was only up
Speaker 3: to go. It's nowhere. It's no further than this. So
Speaker 3: my moms and pops are the best they could do.
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 3: And I'll come from a huge family, a big family,
Speaker 3: so we did. You know, everybody wanted to be with us,
Speaker 3: even though we might've been the poorous, and yeah, it
Speaker 3: was the fun to be around us. So just you know,
Speaker 3: you take those things and you and you turn those
Speaker 3: stumbling blocks into stepping stones. It was my mother used
Speaker 3: to say, you turn the stumbling and that's what we did.
Speaker 2: That's a fact, man, That's I tell a lot of people, man,
Speaker 2: poverty produced some of the most talented people in the world.
Speaker 2: Because you knew, I didn't want to live like this.
Speaker 2: This ain't this ain't the way, so I have to
Speaker 2: figure something out and this is what all we had,
Speaker 2: and all we had was us. So being from hip hop, man,
Speaker 2: the birth of hip hop, it's so much history in
Speaker 2: the BX. How did you and Lord Tiq link up?
Speaker 2: Like how that relationship started.
Speaker 3: I was in this crew of the gun Runners. Literally, yeah,
Speaker 3: these niggas was nice.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 3: Let me tell you. You can ask kissing them. They
Speaker 3: always say gun Runers, gun Runner, Swiss beats. They fucked
Speaker 3: with us hardest before they came out. They was listening
Speaker 3: to us. You know, I'm holding in them.
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 3: So we was like Wu Tang before Wu Tang the
Speaker 3: same plan.
Speaker 1: We all got seven of us.
Speaker 3: We all gonna go and I'm just gonna lead it
Speaker 3: to another story is the truth. We all gonna go
Speaker 3: out and we're gonna we're gonna do this album together
Speaker 3: and we're gonna all get separate deals. And I want
Speaker 3: to say Wu Tin came out and just took the
Speaker 3: put the depend in the fucking balloom because everybody went
Speaker 3: back to selling cracking niggas like nah, they already did this,
Speaker 3: But Tarik, it was already seven of us. And my
Speaker 3: sister came home one day said, my boyfriend rap he
Speaker 3: want to he want you to hear me, want you
Speaker 3: to get down with y'a. And I was like, oh man,
Speaker 3: there's too many niggas in this group already. And then
Speaker 3: when she told me who he was, I said heiny
Speaker 3: down with the money boss players, and she was like, yeah,
Speaker 3: but he wanna he want to rock with y'all too.
Speaker 3: We want to rock with you, So I said I
Speaker 3: One day, I was in my room, he came in.
Speaker 3: I pressed tape I had. I had a beat tape going,
Speaker 3: and niggas started rhyming. I said that nigga better than.
Speaker 1: All of us.
Speaker 3: He and I went downstairs and told my niggas, you're
Speaker 3: my sister boyfriend? Is that night brought him down? You
Speaker 3: know it was family since he him and my sister
Speaker 3: married man, grown kids, grandkids. Yeah, so they still together.
Speaker 2: Yo, that's dope because I was about to say, your
Speaker 2: sister boyfriend, y'all rap group, I know toy you was
Speaker 2: like you better not.
Speaker 3: Nah, I'm not that nigga. But one thing I don't do.
Speaker 3: One thing I don't do is watching a nigga doing
Speaker 3: I'm too busy working mind.
Speaker 1: But that sister love man. You know, we died for
Speaker 1: our sister, of course, but yo, you're a hypocrite.
Speaker 3: Guns, come on my nigga, somebody else.
Speaker 1: I'm definitely yo.
Speaker 3: So what I what I tried to do is I'm
Speaker 3: on this side of the hotel here on that side
Speaker 3: of the hotel. The tall bus is the tall bus.
Speaker 3: But yeah, it was.
Speaker 1: It was.
Speaker 3: Listen, my sister came to me, she gonna kill me
Speaker 3: for this bunker. Fuck Whatjerik doing? What is he doing
Speaker 3: on the road.
Speaker 1: I know that that's what's supposed to.
Speaker 3: What I'm supposed to say, Oh, he fucked.
Speaker 1: Man, I don't know. That's the part. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I was never I don't know.
Speaker 3: But you're dealing with a rock stars, so you should
Speaker 3: use your common sense. That's what I wanted to say,
Speaker 3: use your common sense. But now you know what. They
Speaker 3: was young, We were young, and we was taking you camp,
Speaker 3: and man, you go from we went from flat broke
Speaker 3: to just now ten thousand in this pocket ten because
Speaker 3: you back in.
Speaker 1: The days they paid you in cash more broad.
Speaker 3: And that's what took me to read so long to
Speaker 3: work the album, because we was just new money and
Speaker 3: every lost focus a little bit.
Speaker 1: Every every artist I think that happened.
Speaker 2: I think every one of us got that story of
Speaker 2: the new money I made it.
Speaker 1: I don't gotta work no more. This is everything I
Speaker 1: worked for.
Speaker 3: Your nigga, We go on the Times Square so you
Speaker 3: can see these niggas go crazy when I walk out
Speaker 3: dumb shit like that. But yeah, so that and you
Speaker 3: know something that you gotta remember, I didn't get onto
Speaker 3: late in life, So you gotta remember I was twenty
Speaker 3: six or twenty seven when the record came on, Like i'
Speaker 3: that's what I was ramised since nineteen eighty.
Speaker 1: That's what I was gonna talk about.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about de y'a vou man in that record,
Speaker 2: like and it the impact? Did you foresee did you
Speaker 2: think when y'all made that record that it was gonna
Speaker 2: do what it did?
Speaker 3: Hells no, hell don't know. We'll be honest with you.
Speaker 3: I thought the record was a local bronx. If if
Speaker 3: just the bronx of you know, in the clubs, that'saw
Speaker 3: all I saw, because you gotta remember, it's really about
Speaker 3: New York the bronx. The bars is twenty something bar
Speaker 3: rap bars, the hook is sixteen bars, and it's about
Speaker 3: an area. So who would think a record like that
Speaker 3: met not at all? And it was just a chance.
Speaker 3: Let me tell you some Tarik true story. Tarik kept saying, nigga,
Speaker 3: ain't your Iron't your I ain't We went to the Grammys.
Speaker 1: With this one.
Speaker 3: I used to be like, Nigga, boh, I'm working on
Speaker 3: some pop shit over here, because you know I'll be
Speaker 3: a Tika totally opposite. I'm playing guitar on my ship.
Speaker 3: I'm like, this is this one, ain't it? We gotta
Speaker 3: keep going. He was like nine. I was signed already
Speaker 3: when I went to Tarika, and I was already signed
Speaker 3: The Shock when I made that record.
Speaker 1: So we'll get ja.
Speaker 3: So no, the answer to your question is no. And
Speaker 3: to be honest with you, it was a chant that
Speaker 3: I used to say, skate Key the tunnel and everything
Speaker 3: because Brooklyn and Harlem be ham Boklyn. So I'll say, yo,
Speaker 3: if it wasn't for the Bronx, just rap shit and
Speaker 3: y'all go uptown, Nigga, that's gonna be our reframe. Ky
Speaker 3: say yo, you know that ship used to do eskate
Speaker 3: Key put that in this and that's how that shot.
Speaker 1: Damn. That's yo, Bro, that hook is known. I don't
Speaker 1: give a fuck. If you go from here, you could
Speaker 1: be in Bangle It Dash somewhere.
Speaker 2: That song coming on in the club, Bro, I done
Speaker 2: been everywhere in this world and that song is playing.
Speaker 3: Let me tell you why, Glad you said that. I
Speaker 3: kept talking about the localness of it, right, Tommy Mattolin
Speaker 3: them called me to the office and said, guns, y'all
Speaker 3: stuck at gold. They won't go no high and gold.
Speaker 3: You want to go platinum, the whole platinum. Do a
Speaker 3: hook for every state and do these countries for me.
Speaker 3: M I was like, fuck no, because I'm the nigga
Speaker 3: singing the New York niggas got crazy game. So then
Speaker 3: I gotta go La niggas get crazy loop. If it
Speaker 3: wasn't ain't scared. I had to do that shit for
Speaker 3: two days straight, singing that shit. Two days. We're gonna
Speaker 3: send you a bottle. We're gonna send you this. The
Speaker 3: sent so I'm in the studio singing for London, this place,
Speaker 3: and when. But he was right, as soon as that happened,
Speaker 3: sure where everywhere. Yeah, So that's why they know it
Speaker 3: because it's versions for every area in the world. Lll
Speaker 3: who J was like, my nigga, if you do that,
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna speak.
Speaker 1: To you again.
Speaker 3: He wanted the authenticity of it. He's like, don't make
Speaker 3: them met you fucking So he called me said, Yo,
Speaker 3: I just heard her LA version. That shit almost crashed
Speaker 3: my car.
Speaker 1: Fuck you too, my niggas. Yo, So you said you
Speaker 1: said Shaq, I was gonna ask you.
Speaker 2: Shout out Shaquille O'Neill man, one of the most dominant
Speaker 2: forces in NBA history, could never be denied.
Speaker 1: Historic ballplayer.
Speaker 2: Everybody wanted to be as big and dunkish like Shaq.
Speaker 1: Straight up. How did that relationship happen again? You know?
Speaker 3: Shout out to Lord Tarik was signed over at in
Speaker 3: the Scope and in the Scope told Tarik, Yo, we
Speaker 3: want you to go to Orlando and work with Shaquille
Speaker 3: and Nil help and write some stuff whatever whatever. Shout
Speaker 3: out the oh, yeah, So he went to He went
Speaker 3: to Orlando, and he didn't do like a lot of niggas.
Speaker 3: Nigga got and say, yo, I could pen some stuff
Speaker 3: for you. But my brother Guns, he do pop stuff.
Speaker 3: He do stuff like he do the clean she's nasty.
Speaker 3: You gotta bring him out here. The shot called me
Speaker 3: and say you know he had shot on the phone,
Speaker 3: Say yo, flying you out tomorrow. Shot to Frank Edwards
Speaker 3: and Hassan and all the people that I was involved
Speaker 3: with that. So I called, I called my po So
Speaker 3: I got a job, but I gotta go out of town.
Speaker 3: Ain't going because I was on probation for a gun charge.
Speaker 3: I was on probation and I had a job at
Speaker 3: a dry cleaners because they was like, get a job
Speaker 3: or you going back. So I was working at a
Speaker 3: dry cleaners and I called my PO, trying to be
Speaker 3: honest because I know I was gonna be gone. I said, yo, listen,
Speaker 3: she killed on Neil just called me. She said, yeah,
Speaker 3: Prince and Michael Jackson's performing at my Mitzvhelle got here.
Speaker 1: Stay here. If you go, I'm locking you up and
Speaker 1: you get back. I got on the first thing smoking later.
Speaker 1: I see later PO later.
Speaker 3: Three months linked with the big fellow pause because I
Speaker 3: know niggas gonna say that we thank you.
Speaker 1: But my kids.
Speaker 3: I got young kids that won't let me get away
Speaker 3: with nothing.
Speaker 2: So I'm back in the Yeah, I understand, but you
Speaker 2: ain't telling him get the rock when they was a baby,
Speaker 2: No man told him get the ball, so they better
Speaker 2: stop frying.
Speaker 3: Sometime I say ship, just so they could pause. I
Speaker 3: just said that type of ship. But when I get there,
Speaker 3: we not only did me and this dude hit it
Speaker 3: off like we knew each other forever, not only was
Speaker 3: giving him. You know, he was writing and Nigga Biggie
Speaker 3: was coming through. Jay did something here, but he came
Speaker 3: down to the to the we was in Dan Where
Speaker 3: were we when we worked with Jay? Because he didn't
Speaker 3: do his there. He did in the studio, but he
Speaker 3: came down the door an event with us, him and
Speaker 3: Dane then. But you know, if you name it, they're coming.
Speaker 2: Michael Jackson, everybody, man, everybody's coming through the dou ship
Speaker 2: with shock because he was on fire at that time.
Speaker 3: So then he said we're going to China and we're
Speaker 3: going to bangle Dash. He was going to Reebok put
Speaker 3: up a thing for him and I went everywhere, came
Speaker 3: back handcuffed.
Speaker 1: Yo. It was your lady. Wasn't like how much time
Speaker 1: they gave you for the violation.
Speaker 3: No, they didn't give me no time. She just clicked
Speaker 3: click clack. You're gonna go to right because island will
Speaker 3: work it out from there. Shaq ended up signing basketballs uh,
Speaker 3: taking ball.
Speaker 1: And doing he was yo.
Speaker 3: He did everything in that and they let me out
Speaker 3: and they got let me off probation.
Speaker 1: Man, so shott him. Damn, he even got you off
Speaker 1: probation because he was shocked. God Dad Shock.
Speaker 3: Is one of those people that that's different level lick.
Speaker 1: He's still licked. He's still super different level was. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was people with just.
Speaker 2: Was he was he He wasn't there, He wasn't Orlando
Speaker 2: PD Shock yet, right, he was just shocked.
Speaker 3: But he was always messing with the No matter where youse.
Speaker 1: Niggas don't know shot with the black the law.
Speaker 3: He locked you up Shock because the law and he
Speaker 3: with the streets. I never seen no ship like it.
Speaker 3: You don't see the most fucking villain crip in the
Speaker 3: world hanging with Shock and then you'll.
Speaker 1: See Shocked with like the chief of police. He's like,
Speaker 1: that's what it was.
Speaker 3: He always teetered the line between everybody.
Speaker 2: Everybody fuck with Shock, bro. So I'm telling it don't
Speaker 2: matter who you are.
Speaker 3: Like, so they was on some groupie ship letting me
Speaker 3: off probation after they locked me up. They should, but
Speaker 3: I think it was more like it sounds.
Speaker 1: I get it.
Speaker 3: It sounded like, imagine nigga came your office. That's don't
Speaker 3: have two niggas to run together, have fucking on, you know,
Speaker 3: tell you o ya, I'm getting ready to go on
Speaker 3: tour with shack.
Speaker 2: You know, be like, yeah, nigga, what but my nigga.
Speaker 2: They made me male start a campaign. He had to
Speaker 2: get whole football owner, everybody had to get involved.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they want to make example on a certain niggas. Me,
Speaker 3: I was a nobody.
Speaker 1: If we even knew what we had to do was
Speaker 1: called shaq shit. I was just yo.
Speaker 3: Bro was just a perfect storm because it wasn't just
Speaker 3: a phone call. He liked me, you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: So that's not a call he probably would have made
Speaker 3: for everybody, like yeah, everything he could. And I left
Speaker 3: there when he got my bags on the right back
Speaker 3: to Orlando that she killed.
Speaker 1: Yo. The oh, Orlando is beautiful. I love Orlando.
Speaker 2: A lot of people don't know. They think it's just
Speaker 2: they think it's just you know Disney. No, man, the oh,
Speaker 2: I love it. It's nitty. They got a major nightlife.
Speaker 2: The food is insane, the restaurants they got. Be trying
Speaker 2: to tell people, Man, that's crazy. I love it. I
Speaker 2: love it.
Speaker 3: Shut back to what you were saying. So the star
Speaker 3: power of a person can make anybody change. I'm gonna
Speaker 3: give you an example. Me and Trek did a song
Speaker 3: with tat Ali. It was off the same beat all
Speaker 3: day long. Dream of You was only real hit. Rodney
Speaker 3: Jerkins produced it and we was good friends with Rodney.
Speaker 3: Rodney had a group signed over with Shackle. So Rodney
Speaker 3: would call me and say, Guns, I need you and
Speaker 3: Tarika on this joint. I'm like, I'm not rhyming over
Speaker 3: that beat no more. It was our only joint. Niggas,
Speaker 3: that's all they know is for We're gonna just keep rhyming.
Speaker 3: I'm done not doing it. Called me a mad time's guns.
Speaker 3: Come on, man, she's here, she do this joint. I'm
Speaker 3: not doing it. Will said he got money for you.
Speaker 3: Do He'll throw you twenty just twenty real quick.
Speaker 1: Just not doing it, bro, Will Smith, Yeah, throw you
Speaker 1: twenty racks. Just jump on the door. You know you
Speaker 1: was getting too much money. Turned down a check from
Speaker 1: oh nigga, you know.
Speaker 3: And when I look back at some of the ship
Speaker 3: I did back then, No I'm not performing Christmas, Damn,
Speaker 3: stay in my family. They would double the money. I
Speaker 3: still wouldn't go. So when you get older, you're like, damn,
Speaker 3: what was I thinking?
Speaker 1: I know? We all been there. I told you we
Speaker 1: all I got that. We all been there, So mad.
Speaker 3: The nigga Rodney and him sending Will Smith to the studio.
Speaker 3: I'm somewhere in the studio, this nigga walking in a
Speaker 3: cowboy outfit because he's filming that movie, some cowboy movie.
Speaker 1: His worst movie ever. He was filming that. He came
Speaker 1: out a big check. But I hated it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't like it either. But the nigga came
Speaker 3: in and said, y'all need you to do this song,
Speaker 3: and I said, oh shit, Will Smith all right, and
Speaker 3: Rotteney them niggas was like, damn nigga, this nigga asked
Speaker 3: you one time you doing it, we may ask you
Speaker 3: for two months. So you know, we all with certain niggas.
Speaker 3: Certain niggas asked. She's like, all right, man, fucks Will Smith.
Speaker 2: I feel you yo, what you feel your biggest contribution
Speaker 2: to the culture has been.
Speaker 3: I'm just proud of I think the Bronx wasn't in
Speaker 3: the best place when we put that record out. You know,
Speaker 3: come on in Brooklyn, ain't gonna from Brooklyn. And the
Speaker 3: choke Hold still Queen's choke Hold still, you know, and
Speaker 3: the Bronx. It was just spurts of things and I
Speaker 3: just never forget how happy Kaz, Grandmaster Kaz and who
Speaker 3: hirking them was when they hurt the record, because they
Speaker 3: expressed to me how how much that meant to them,
Speaker 3: just to say if it wasn't just a reminder that
Speaker 3: if it wasn't for the Bronx, you know.
Speaker 1: So that's right that that.
Speaker 3: I just think the ogs, the look on their faces,
Speaker 3: the people that I looked up to growing up with
Speaker 3: Kaz and the Cold Crust brother shot out the easy
Speaker 3: a d my brother, but yeah, the Cold Crush, who.
Speaker 1: Idl that was?
Speaker 3: They was from the hood and they was you know,
Speaker 3: they were stars to us, even though nobody outside of
Speaker 3: New York probably they were back then.
Speaker 1: They the pioneers, man part of the pioneers of this.
Speaker 3: So I think that would be that song is my
Speaker 3: biggest contribution to to UH, to hip hop. I wasn't
Speaker 3: even trying to act like I had anything else that
Speaker 3: that I could say. It's like, you know, but the
Speaker 3: difference is hones switchy Man's away of life. That's right,
Speaker 3: And that's why it's like I made records. I write
Speaker 3: a song to day. I write all the time, even
Speaker 3: if I never put it out there, because it's just
Speaker 3: it's just sterocutic.
Speaker 1: I tell people that all the time. Man, it wasn't.
Speaker 1: It wasn't. We didn't start rhyming to get paid.
Speaker 2: When you got paid, it was like, oh, ship, people
Speaker 2: really paying me for this, But you just made We
Speaker 2: just did it just because it was our way to
Speaker 2: talk what we was going through, what we thought, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean. That's why I always love music.
Speaker 1: I still always continue to still do for sure, never
Speaker 1: gonna stop.
Speaker 3: A lot of people be like, Yo, you don't put
Speaker 3: music out, I said, because I don't want to give
Speaker 3: nigga something some more hate. Oh he said, Nigga drop
Speaker 3: something and nobody cared. Now I do.
Speaker 1: No, it's people that care, bro.
Speaker 2: But now I'm a firm believer whether it's one or
Speaker 2: one thousand, I'm gonna still do my thing like because
Speaker 2: one that one can tell one thousand, you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So I'm a firm believer into that. Yo. I'm new
Speaker 1: into this media space.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. I've been watching you do
Speaker 2: your thing. You've been in this media gang. We gonna
Speaker 2: take one show.
Speaker 1: At the top.
Speaker 2: I'm not going shows at the same because this stories
Speaker 2: by or three. First of all, what was your thought
Speaker 2: process to even be like, fuck it, I'm going into
Speaker 2: the media space.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do this.
Speaker 3: I went to the eighteen one day and that shit
Speaker 3: told me to get the fuck out of broken. I
Speaker 3: won't even try to sugar coat for.
Speaker 1: You, chill, he said. I went to the AGM and
Speaker 1: that shit said, you know at.
Speaker 3: Us, you're gonna call the cops the fuck away from.
Speaker 1: Me, yo, chill. That was a good one.
Speaker 3: I've never ty to sugar yold it. I was on
Speaker 3: my back, my nigga.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be all the way one hundred with you.
Speaker 2: I remember watching when New York Love and hip Hop
Speaker 2: they announced the roster.
Speaker 1: You know, my wife she into that, you know, reality
Speaker 1: show girl ain't.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 3: I wasn't watching this ship. I wish I would have
Speaker 3: because I don't know what I was in for yea.
Speaker 2: So I'm like, yo, all right, cool? So she like,
Speaker 2: you know any of these people? So I'm going through
Speaker 2: the list like, yeah, this is my people's, this is
Speaker 2: my people's that's my dog right there. Yeah, I know, shorty,
Speaker 2: She mad cool. This was everything cool as the show
Speaker 2: going on. Man, we ain't hang out like that.
Speaker 1: It was just a high bot there. That's my dog.
Speaker 1: I seen him in the studio.
Speaker 3: We ain't kigging like that, I'm sure. My sister was like,
Speaker 3: not really, let me tell you something, bro, And it's
Speaker 3: on a serious note. When I first did Love and
Speaker 3: Hip Hop, right, I never really watched it. I watched
Speaker 3: Monday Night football.
Speaker 1: I was like, fuck, you know.
Speaker 3: I did a scene with Rich and it went so
Speaker 3: viral that Rich said, Yo, they want you to do
Speaker 3: ornother they want they want to talk to you about
Speaker 3: your story, which your story is, but we'll get to that.
Speaker 3: But I never looked. I never it was just a way.
Speaker 3: It was no malice, and it was like, I'm gonna
Speaker 3: get Tyra bag. I'm gonna get a Mina bag. She sings,
Speaker 3: she could, she's an actor, she's beautiful, and then I
Speaker 3: could get a little money, take care of my little
Speaker 3: my mouths, my kids. So that was the original thought process.
Speaker 3: But when I went interview with Mona and them, and
Speaker 3: I did the interview on camera and I was like, listen, man,
Speaker 3: I'm really messing with this girl.
Speaker 1: I'm married to her too.
Speaker 3: By the way, so you know, they was like yeah, perfect,
Speaker 3: mean it's from Germany. So even though I was working
Speaker 3: on some management stuff. She you know, you know, I
Speaker 3: can't say too much about it. You know, she wasn't
Speaker 3: the city and all that. You know, I can't go
Speaker 3: too much into that.
Speaker 1: That's cool.
Speaker 3: I will say this, it was when the show called me.
Speaker 3: I didn't expect the show to call me. When they
Speaker 3: called me, and I'm like, damn, some shit gonna come
Speaker 3: out that ain't supposed to come out. So, you know,
Speaker 3: me and Amina had an agreement that you know, it's to
Speaker 3: keep some things.
Speaker 1: We know why, we gotta keep it low.
Speaker 3: But you know, when the show came on, I fucked
Speaker 3: around and told Mona them the truth because I didn't
Speaker 3: want nobody else calling the show saying yo, they really Yeah,
Speaker 3: So I told him on the truth and Mona the
Speaker 3: first day of the show, they took our phones told
Speaker 3: me to go ahead and tell rich y'all married. After
Speaker 3: I told him for two months to nobody.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, they looked at you like perfect, this
Speaker 1: is just what we needed.
Speaker 3: And the back, the back last shot I got for
Speaker 3: that first two episodes, I stayed in the house for
Speaker 3: about a month and a half. I didn't meet my house. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it was bad, and I'm thinking about everybody that's seen it,
Speaker 3: same thing you saying. I had to tell my wife
Speaker 3: found know them like that. My sisters used to call
Speaker 3: me Sunday like, Nigga, I gotta go to work tomorrow.
Speaker 1: What did you you do? Because Monday she.
Speaker 3: Got to go to work on Tuesday, and they like yeah,
Speaker 3: and the whole job is like, what the fuck is
Speaker 3: wrong with your brother?
Speaker 1: Yo? What's your legend? Bro yo? So you agend? Love
Speaker 1: you brother, I love you, watch you You a fucking legend.
Speaker 3: I just didn't think about everybody else, my friend's family
Speaker 3: and everybody else, you know. I was like, damn, I
Speaker 3: didn't think about that. My daughter got into fight to
Speaker 3: school because peoples like your father's you know that kind
Speaker 3: of shit it went. But it wasn't my intent at all.
Speaker 3: But once you're in it, there's no and they control
Speaker 3: the matter, narrative. It's no getting around that shit.
Speaker 1: They gonna chop it up and edited how they needed
Speaker 1: to be. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So if me and Bleak is sitting here right and
Speaker 3: were talking about Donald Trump and I make a face.
Speaker 1: And then you say you're.
Speaker 3: Working on an album, right, They're gonna put my Donald
Speaker 3: Trump face to your album face. So that would happened
Speaker 3: on the show. People will call me be like, Guns,
Speaker 3: why you make that face?
Speaker 1: My nigga?
Speaker 3: Why the fuck would I make that face? You know
Speaker 3: how they do it. I'm arguing with Cardi B. On
Speaker 3: the show. They got tied on the stage. Tar wasn't
Speaker 3: even there, like Tomorra's making faces like like like.
Speaker 1: Like you chill. They like that.
Speaker 3: They did that. I'm not loved them for that.
Speaker 1: That's real instigating.
Speaker 3: Let me tell you this, this is a true story.
Speaker 3: I'm not supposed to be saying this. I sign a
Speaker 3: contract nothing to do that. But I will say this.
Speaker 3: That's not trying to say they made me do nothing.
Speaker 3: The ninety percent of what you've seen on Peter Guns
Speaker 3: on that show is Peter Guns.
Speaker 1: I just but listen, I'm from the projects. Were all
Speaker 1: from New York.
Speaker 2: We all got that front that that friend that you
Speaker 2: told something too. And then they see the dude and
Speaker 2: they be like, yo, son, such and such just said,
Speaker 2: when he see you, he going to do that ship
Speaker 2: you just told me?
Speaker 1: You said.
Speaker 2: That's all they did the y'all they instigated. I loved
Speaker 2: them for that. Mona's a genius.
Speaker 1: Listen.
Speaker 3: I went to Mona one time. Here's a good one
Speaker 3: for you. I go to Moana one time and I'm like, yo, Moana, man,
Speaker 3: all my I'm running to my pigs. The rappers made
Speaker 3: you do that show, dogging me out, and I want
Speaker 3: more money sometime. I wouldn't go to set. I need
Speaker 3: twenty thousand. Ain't gonna set whatever I started.
Speaker 2: At least you got your lady some money. Cause his
Speaker 2: niggas that put out I did some dude some bullshit.
Speaker 2: I ain't getting nobody a check.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, the only thing is, I think they both would
Speaker 3: agree that's not the way you coulda got me a
Speaker 3: check when they.
Speaker 1: But I told you, this opened me up a new salon. Ye.
Speaker 3: But I will say this though, Mona showed me a
Speaker 3: real and I ain't gonna throw these under the bus,
Speaker 3: all these niggas that were telling me I should have
Speaker 3: did the show interviewing Mona.
Speaker 1: If you just give me.
Speaker 3: A shot, I promise you I'll be good. I said
Speaker 3: that that nigga told me not to do the show
Speaker 3: too chill.
Speaker 1: They asked me. They asked me to do it. I
Speaker 1: told you.
Speaker 2: The big homie was like, Nah, you don't know me.
Speaker 2: If you do it, you ain't cool. We don't fuck
Speaker 2: with each other. So I was gonna do that. I
Speaker 2: was going run with that because I clipped me.
Speaker 3: I said, pets, they watching the show up there? Shut
Speaker 3: the you know Peck was up there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, shout out pack my guy. Absolutely everybody watching. So
Speaker 2: then my wife she like, I'm never getting on TV.
Speaker 2: So I'm like, yo, I have a fake wife.
Speaker 1: She like, fucked smouse, trying to get the fake wife fat.
Speaker 3: I took it to be honest with you, Alani is
Speaker 3: going there with fake story, I know, and I made
Speaker 3: your cat. I regret not doing that because you know,
Speaker 3: I gave one. When I got there, they was like, yo,
Speaker 3: we're gonna put you in this building, y'all gonna live.
Speaker 3: I said, nah, I'm not reality. That's sure what it
Speaker 3: really is. You know, I'm not trying to front. I'm
Speaker 3: not driving nobody car, not wearing nobody jewelry. I'm not
Speaker 3: living in no penthouse.
Speaker 1: We ain't right here.
Speaker 3: That's where we live at right here. I know it
Speaker 3: ain't the best, but we're gonna show what it is.
Speaker 3: I never was wanted, I guess as I was raised.
Speaker 3: I didn't. I never like front, like, I just don't
Speaker 3: have it.
Speaker 1: In me. Bro.
Speaker 3: When it's bad, it's bad. I'm scared to say it.
Speaker 1: Can't fake it. We just make it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it. I don't fake it to you. I
Speaker 2: just make it.
Speaker 3: I was never gonna live somewhere or drive something that
Speaker 3: wasn't mind in front. I just don't have it.
Speaker 1: No, that's dope, man. But ship man.
Speaker 2: Then y'all remember watching, right, I never met Rich. I
Speaker 2: never met Halfway. No, I never met Rich. And it's
Speaker 2: crazy we know all the same people.
Speaker 1: Which was that bad boy like word?
Speaker 2: Uh what was my other homie name, the light skinned Cisco.
Speaker 2: I never met Cisco.
Speaker 1: We all get the straight Cisco.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry nigga Cisco saying he was down with with
Speaker 3: Rock Rock.
Speaker 2: He probably was. Remember it was a lot of departments
Speaker 2: on the rock. We had the Spanish Spanish, That's what
Speaker 2: I'm saying, all of them they speaking Spanish.
Speaker 1: I just got down with the Spanish crew.
Speaker 2: So yeah, no, I never met him, right, But then
Speaker 2: y'all formed the crew to creep Squad, and I know
Speaker 2: you and I'm like, damn, I'm married now, and niggas
Speaker 2: want to make the coolest gag in the world. The
Speaker 2: Creep Squad was the I'm looking at my wife like
Speaker 2: you just don't know?
Speaker 3: That was There was a lot of flak behind that,
Speaker 3: but it was just we was boys and they can
Speaker 3: call us creep.
Speaker 1: So I said, Yo, we the creep squad. Squad.
Speaker 3: That's right, rest and it's stuck. And but here's the
Speaker 3: funny thing. I walk down the street your guns? Can
Speaker 3: I get down with the creep squad. I'm telling you
Speaker 3: what I said. You're going to tell your girl that
Speaker 3: your wife that then you can't be in.
Speaker 1: Yo. But yo, you're only married nig and the creepoo
Speaker 1: chip loud. I'm divorced. I'm divorced.
Speaker 2: Seriously, Yeah, we got divorced right now, right, no fucking way.
Speaker 1: I don't like I don't.
Speaker 2: Like bringing up listen, I don't like bringing up people
Speaker 2: personal like relationships with my brother. But we ain't even
Speaker 2: get into that. I just got a question because I
Speaker 2: never knew a twin man messed with a twin Did
Speaker 2: you ever get through confused?
Speaker 3: Like early on, look at the system, be like.
Speaker 1: What a baby? She like? Don't play with me? Early on?
Speaker 3: Early on, I asked Amana about her system and she
Speaker 3: said she's married. Said oh, in the shout out, shout
Speaker 3: out to my man Flowers, that's my guy. She was
Speaker 3: married at the time, the kid. She said, oh, she
Speaker 3: married with a kid. And then Amina was messing with God.
Speaker 3: Knew a musician and you know, so she wasn't single.
Speaker 3: But then eventually things went where they went.
Speaker 1: This is New York Shire.
Speaker 2: We don't care you single to us, nobody single. They
Speaker 2: just become available that part, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Everybody got somebody for sure, somebody you'd be like chick.
Speaker 2: Even was like, yeah, I ain't got no you got
Speaker 2: somebody you call and be like.
Speaker 1: We was friend be that adjustment.
Speaker 3: Me and Amina made music. She had a man at
Speaker 3: a situation at home, but we would record. She played piano,
Speaker 3: I play guitars, playing to play drums. Just write songs
Speaker 3: here and the rest. I'm not gonna sit here in
Speaker 3: front to nobody. Like I didn't think nothing was gonna happen.
Speaker 3: I knew it was just man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the music is playing, the vibes is going, we
Speaker 2: vibe it. We catching eye contact you on the keys.
Speaker 2: I'm on the guitar ship like a movie scene. It's inevitable.
Speaker 2: A man was supposed to be right there on that couch.
Speaker 3: For a long time, A long time, I was hitting
Speaker 3: him with.
Speaker 2: The a week man week, let's get off of love
Speaker 2: and hip hop.
Speaker 1: The illest shit I ever seen in my life was
Speaker 1: you on Cheetahs. It was like, what how how you? Yo?
Speaker 1: How did you become the host of Cheetahs? Where the
Speaker 1: whole world just seeing you go with crazy? Yo?
Speaker 2: That's like, that's like a niggle sell drugs, chasing the
Speaker 2: drug dealers like nigga.
Speaker 3: Yeah, who better to go after you than me? I
Speaker 3: know all the tricks.
Speaker 2: You talent on the dweam store against the very.
Speaker 1: Here's a crazy ship.
Speaker 3: I would I would, yo, I ship would come on
Speaker 3: TV Before I got on it.
Speaker 1: I turned the TV.
Speaker 3: These niggas gonna he's gonna see some models and ship.
Speaker 3: I used to be like, this show will get me
Speaker 3: fucked up. But then the host of the show died
Speaker 3: thirty years old, that man Clark Gable, Clock Gable, the
Speaker 3: third Clark Gable's grandson.
Speaker 1: Damn, I ain't know that God overdose or some crazy ship.
Speaker 3: And my manager behind my back at the time, just
Speaker 3: sent an email to the show said, you know what,
Speaker 3: I think, Peter Guns would be a good It'd be
Speaker 3: funny if he was hosting the show, and the shout
Speaker 3: to Bobby Goldstein, he's the owner CEO of the show.
Speaker 3: Went to an office in the meeting, said what do
Speaker 3: you guys in here? Thinking Peter Guns hosted the show?
Speaker 3: He said, everybody jumped up with crazy. If you could
Speaker 3: get him, lock him in. So he flew me to Dallas.
Speaker 3: We met, had dinner, and the rest is history. I
Speaker 3: moved the Dallas. I had cribbon downs to this day.
Speaker 3: So I moved to Dallas to start filming the show,
Speaker 3: and I thought it was you know what I appreciated, man,
Speaker 3: I'm glad you broke that up. What I appreciated about
Speaker 3: the show was he said, you could. There's only two rules.
Speaker 3: You can't use your your stage name. You gotta use
Speaker 3: your government name, which I hate. But I'm like, if
Speaker 3: that's the rules, because they paid me and green screen,
Speaker 3: I need you to do green scheme like.
Speaker 1: I wrote it.
Speaker 3: But in the streets, do you be who you are?
Speaker 3: Do it how you want. So that's why you see me.
Speaker 3: You my man, you don't see what it is.
Speaker 1: I'm talking streets.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know you you caught, you caught when you
Speaker 2: come with your caught.
Speaker 1: What you doing.
Speaker 3: So the ship goes. It's on TMZ. It's all over shavings,
Speaker 3: all on the blockers, blowing up one of them. I got
Speaker 3: sued from fighting and go on the show. No because
Speaker 3: like yo, no he was cause he was getting he
Speaker 3: was he was getting aggressive with this girl and I
Speaker 3: was like, man, you can't. I have a thing about
Speaker 3: niggas here on women fact. So he was getting aggressive
Speaker 3: and she's scared. She washim behind me. Let me tell
Speaker 3: you the craziest shit. The nigga kept doing this ship.
Speaker 3: I can't make this out. I had to say this
Speaker 3: to the people in the court. He kept saying, pussy sneak.
Speaker 3: If it's just like my family gonna see this, y'all.
Speaker 3: He can't keep doing I said, bro, you can't stop that.
Speaker 3: The niggas start doing new addish cause you're a pussy
Speaker 3: stink and I can't live this way.
Speaker 1: Yo, And we like which wrong with this nigga.
Speaker 3: So the producer's pulled me to the sign and go
Speaker 3: we're not gonna even air this episode. So at that
Speaker 3: point it's green light. If he swinging at all, try
Speaker 3: to get out again, and I tossed the nigga down.
Speaker 1: Try to suit Cheetahs.
Speaker 3: Cheetahs, you can't sue because whatever you know, the trampoline
Speaker 3: parts you take your kids to where you sign your
Speaker 3: life away, even you could die on cheetahs. They not responsible.
Speaker 3: That fucking paperworkers. This stick and everybody got a gun.
Speaker 3: So when we were run down on the nigga his man
Speaker 3: to be like, Yo, what the fuck? And I'm sitting there.
Speaker 3: So one time, the first episode, I was so scared
Speaker 3: cause niggas were guns that when we had to meet,
Speaker 3: and we have a meeting after every show, I said, Yo,
Speaker 3: who in here got a gun?
Speaker 1: Nigga?
Speaker 3: The sound man, the craft man, the fucking camera man,
Speaker 3: everybody pulled their guns out. Textass was crazy, man, So
Speaker 3: Yo got after this show man cheaters, cheaters, cheaters, watching
Speaker 3: your cheaters is like, Yo, and everybody you cheated too,
Speaker 3: a nigga, what you're doing? Everybody but you said it? Man,
Speaker 3: what's bad? Who better to get you? The guy one
Speaker 3: of the tricks in the and every nigga into you, nigga,
Speaker 3: I said that one that's corny swat. They ready to
Speaker 3: go back up, they're ready to wheels up again on it.
Speaker 3: I'm like, all right, let me meg. So what bothered me.
Speaker 3: Was I went into the office after the show took
Speaker 3: off again. I said, I'm gonna need more money.
Speaker 1: Bobby. You see the fucking ratings. He said, sit down.
Speaker 3: I sat down. He said, I lost three countries two continents.
Speaker 1: Because I hired a black host. They not ready for
Speaker 1: that yet, sir, So.
Speaker 3: He lost money hiring I was a black first black host,
Speaker 3: So it wasn't when I went in there to like
Speaker 3: stick my chest out from my bag. He was like,
Speaker 3: guns man, I lost money, but I'm not gonna turn
Speaker 3: on you. We're gont he said. But by the way,
Speaker 3: put this bag on the table, mad. Now, your friends
Speaker 3: in jail love you. I was popping the jail.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's dope, man, that's done.
Speaker 3: Was using blood language or jail and it was for them,
Speaker 3: you know. I run, yo, my man, if you want to,
Speaker 3: we can shoot the thirty right now. And that was
Speaker 3: going so VH wanted to hit up and say, yo,
Speaker 3: it's the host using language or gang language. There was
Speaker 3: There was bugging on me, but I just throw a
Speaker 3: little darts out there. So on jail cheat everybody come
Speaker 3: home now like nigga, he cheats. Getting helped me get
Speaker 3: through the bit he was a funny nigga.
Speaker 2: Hell yeah, bro, that shit is dope. You know you
Speaker 2: probably in the day room, niggas probably like nigga.
Speaker 1: Fuck that put on Cheetahs. I was hot. Then that's dope. Man.
Speaker 2: Doing all this media, being on TV and all of that.
Speaker 2: How do you move different now, like, you know, different
Speaker 2: than how a musician would move because it's different shit.
Speaker 2: We know, like it's certain crowds that like hip hop.
Speaker 2: Not everybody likes hip hop. The TV everyone who watches TV, right,
Speaker 2: So that's what I mean.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it just puts you out there a little more.
Speaker 3: With me, I'm able to be myself more doing the
Speaker 3: TV stuff, you know, the stuff that I'm really doing,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. Nobody's really controlling everything I do.
Speaker 3: Except I mean, they do some things to fuck you
Speaker 3: up over that, but it it's just you have to evolve.
Speaker 3: The music wasn't either out you know, I'm always do music,
Speaker 3: but maybe the audience is outgrown, Like they say, guns,
Speaker 3: won't you put new music? They want new music. Audience
Speaker 3: don't buy new music. They want to hit the hits.
Speaker 3: So you gotta do something to keep food on the table.
Speaker 3: But I move around here, yo, yo, bik. Honestly, I'm
Speaker 3: not saying this because you sitting here. Whenever I would
Speaker 3: see you interview, I'd be like, Yo, this nigga's stories
Speaker 3: is so credible because you ain't them.
Speaker 1: You funny.
Speaker 3: You paint the stories that I immediately hit you in
Speaker 3: your DMS and I hit the weather man. I said, yoh,
Speaker 3: we should do a podcast because I thought I thought
Speaker 3: just your interviews. So when you got in the space,
Speaker 3: I said, I knew it and I've been said it.
Speaker 1: Nah.
Speaker 3: So man, without being on that, I could see you
Speaker 3: blowing it. If you wouldn't it did it, I would
Speaker 3: have been bugging out. I would have thought, Hope said, no, nigga,
Speaker 3: you ain't doing that.
Speaker 2: No man, no, no, no, Hope don't give he don't
Speaker 2: give a ship what I'm out here doing it?
Speaker 1: Like, hey, nigga, just son't go to jail.
Speaker 2: I don't want to get that phone called hey dog,
Speaker 2: I need that bad money.
Speaker 1: That's it. Other than that, nigga, don't know where I'm
Speaker 1: mad what I'm doing. You know what I'm saying. We
Speaker 1: all yeah, don't or you don't know me. That's it.
Speaker 2: Like other than that, I'm out here moving and like
Speaker 2: I said, Man, I thank Noorri for this because he
Speaker 2: saw something that I did.
Speaker 1: I saw it too. I just wasn't in no position. Nah,
Speaker 1: I just didn't. No, No, that wasn't open. You can
Speaker 1: crack it though, No, no, get the open one. No,
Speaker 1: we don't ever want niggas think we got props.
Speaker 3: No, man, my bad.
Speaker 1: Y'all can edit that out.
Speaker 2: No, ain't no edit nothing. We don't got no props.
Speaker 2: You want, crack it, crack it?
Speaker 1: God.
Speaker 3: Oh but last time I saw hole was my first
Speaker 3: season of love and hip hop. Him and Bee. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you gotta remember I knew Be too. She was on
Speaker 3: the same label.
Speaker 2: That's that's that's that's the serious one. That's not the
Speaker 2: little body.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I see nigga, What the put glue in this moth?
Speaker 2: No, give me give me that look the shot, that's
Speaker 2: that's you know what that is. That's called the du
Speaker 2: Say touch.
Speaker 3: You know, y'all do side Car is the best anybody
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Speaker 2: I'm telling you listen, if you drink vodka, tequila, anything,
Speaker 2: any drink you mixed voka or tequila with, try it
Speaker 2: one time with du Say change your life.
Speaker 1: Welcome to the darks back to us.
Speaker 3: Come on, hello, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Yo, You've been public about a lot of ups and
Speaker 2: downs and stuff like that. Like you know, you're not
Speaker 2: one that shy away from, you know, keeping it real
Speaker 2: and telling people what's going on with your life. And
Speaker 2: I respect that about you because not everybody keep it transparent.
Speaker 2: You know a lot of these people get on a
Speaker 2: camera in front be somebody, They not kids.
Speaker 1: So, like, you know what I mean, how do you manage?
Speaker 1: Like what's the strift?
Speaker 2: Like you the motivation and the stript you use to
Speaker 2: keep pushing forward that maybe can help somebody else out
Speaker 2: there in the same situation, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I just just I got kids to feed. Man,
Speaker 3: I got family to take care of. So my motivation
Speaker 3: is the kids and just trying.
Speaker 1: To do that.
Speaker 3: It is a little fucked up when you you know
Speaker 3: your kids, like my kids are getting older now and
Speaker 3: they're like.
Speaker 1: Yo, why'd you do that show?
Speaker 3: Why did you you know the ones that was on
Speaker 3: the show with me? Dam why would you do that
Speaker 3: to mom? Those are the questions that you got to.
Speaker 3: That's the hard part is up seeing that now and
Speaker 3: then you know the hero was really not doing right
Speaker 3: by their mother. That's tough, but you just got to
Speaker 3: keep it pushing.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 3: I'm not and we joke a lot, but I'm not
Speaker 3: proud when when little kids run up on me in
Speaker 3: the street, go squad too. That's not a good example
Speaker 3: to set for man. But you know, look, don't let
Speaker 3: your kids watch it, man, just like you wouldn't let
Speaker 3: your kids watch certain things, see certain things. There's certain
Speaker 3: things they shouldn't see, and there's.
Speaker 1: Nothing you could do.
Speaker 3: I know what I know, bleak man is no matter
Speaker 3: how bad it look to people, it ain't no malice
Speaker 3: in my heart for nothing of nobody.
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 3: I'm not that dude. I'm gonna do that if you.
Speaker 3: I'm just a man. That's why you used to be
Speaker 3: like you always keep saying you're not a thug, because
Speaker 3: I'm not. I'm a man. You can find out I'm
Speaker 3: a mama man anytime you want.
Speaker 1: Square.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I'm not, but I don't claim to be.
Speaker 3: I never was comfortable claiming none of that, none of
Speaker 3: that shit. Even even when the gun charge or people
Speaker 3: shooting at you and you get shower whatever. You never
Speaker 3: hear me really talk a lot about that because that's
Speaker 3: not really allowed to brag about. You know, I've done it.
Speaker 3: I've done it in the past. But a man, I
Speaker 3: play guitar, all right, ron seeing you.
Speaker 2: Man, I be seeing you killing the guitar in the ground. Man, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I get drums.
Speaker 3: And but but if if, if you push, I think
Speaker 3: any real man is gonna go do what you gotta do.
Speaker 1: Any real man.
Speaker 2: Watching you play the like the instruments, you know, I
Speaker 2: know God's drummers like Tony Royster. Shout out my guy,
Speaker 2: Tony Royster Junior and make me think about back of
Speaker 2: the day.
Speaker 1: I gave my shot at trying to play instrument. You
Speaker 1: know what I mean.
Speaker 2: I used to play the trumpet today in school, you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. But then the movie Mo Better
Speaker 2: Blues came out than Zel Washington, one of my favorites,
Speaker 2: and his name ironically had to be Bleak, and they
Speaker 2: hit him in the head with the trumpet.
Speaker 1: I put the trumpet away, said they had never do
Speaker 1: that to me, So then that inspire me never play
Speaker 1: the trumpet about that. Yeah, that was bleaking. They hit
Speaker 1: oh ship, I never thought about that.
Speaker 2: I'm telling you see, I should scar you man, word
Speaker 2: up shot my trumpet dreams down.
Speaker 1: Man Like, God damn dis out Holy Dawn for bleed
Speaker 1: about that.
Speaker 3: That's one of my favorite movie from Spike. Lee's not
Speaker 3: my favorite. I love because I'm a musician. First, yeah,
Speaker 3: that's right, first before rapping up with I'm a musician.
Speaker 3: So I thought he was smooth. He had he had
Speaker 3: the two See see how these movies with your.
Speaker 1: Head had yo? But Yo, another thing, right.
Speaker 3: Hold on, I'm gonna say this. I used to be like,
Speaker 3: they only know tiring to mean if they knew my whole.
Speaker 1: Ship, but you had to start five and no, I'm.
Speaker 3: Just saying my story is just said my ship was crazy.
Speaker 2: One thing though, man Like, we got this guy out
Speaker 2: here right in New York. We call him O g
Speaker 2: Rush right. He on everything he's he's really getting.
Speaker 1: To that super super super duper bag.
Speaker 2: He on all the little Italys people, all the little
Speaker 2: Italy's pizzas and papaya dogs, all of that, right, Yo, listen,
Speaker 2: he told me one thing that always stuck with me.
Speaker 1: Your bleak.
Speaker 2: You can't pick the family you born into, but you
Speaker 2: could pick the family you create.
Speaker 1: So you make sure you pick wisely.
Speaker 2: And looking at you no matter what you did, and
Speaker 2: all the ship we all done, dirt, Bro, you.
Speaker 1: Got two good mothers. Man, that's not easy. Bro. They're
Speaker 1: great mothers at the end of the day.
Speaker 3: Man, incredible, Like, so I got to that's a blessing
Speaker 3: kids before those kids. That's why people know me from
Speaker 3: you got Corey?
Speaker 2: Yeah, ko, And that's another thing. Let's get into Cory guns.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: You know how they like athletes want to pass their
Speaker 2: genetics to their kids and they don't all they don't
Speaker 2: always go.
Speaker 1: That way, Like it's like, yeah, my kid ain't ship.
Speaker 1: I got. My kid is shitty. Right.
Speaker 2: We ain't got to name no names because I might
Speaker 2: want to interview their pots all day.
Speaker 1: We ain't gonnahit, I go body, but my g.
Speaker 2: You fucking birthed one of the illess lyricists in that
Speaker 2: time of hip hop, bro, and you one of the
Speaker 2: illness lyricists.
Speaker 1: So father like son to both be super super dope.
Speaker 2: How that feel to look at your son and no,
Speaker 2: damn my son killing shit?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm I mean, I'm super proud of who he was.
Speaker 3: And you know when he got when he was a man,
Speaker 3: so his mom's left when.
Speaker 1: He was a kid.
Speaker 3: Corey came to South seventeen. His mom, we was young,
Speaker 3: she had issues. She she left basically early, and Corey
Speaker 3: like so Corey. I raised Corey with my mother, and
Speaker 3: my mother's rules were you gonna be a father, You're
Speaker 3: gonna live with us, but you're gonna do it so
Speaker 3: all emergency room visits, all the sudden.
Speaker 1: He was with me all the time.
Speaker 3: Anybody that grew up with me, and tell you this,
Speaker 3: little nigga always had a kid with him, Wegg's little brother.
Speaker 3: So Corey would be in the studio everything. Corey was
Speaker 3: studying the best man. I only listened to lyricists, So
Speaker 3: when I saw Corey want the rap, I would give
Speaker 3: Corey projects. Yo, you're gonna do this song called Brick
Speaker 3: in the Wall by Pink Floy. You're gonna but his
Speaker 3: drugs in the wall. You're gonna say you have the
Speaker 3: drugs in the war. Just still things, patterns. I would
Speaker 3: tell him. I would put a high hat or a
Speaker 3: drum on something right to that, and then I'm gonna
Speaker 3: take it out. People wouldn't wonder where you wrote, how
Speaker 3: you what made you write that, and just long and
Speaker 3: on stilling them. But they became a point where once
Speaker 3: I got on and I got and things were left.
Speaker 3: I said, I don't want my kid to rap.
Speaker 1: It was, oh, you didn't want them to even rap.
Speaker 3: It was Treik that really kept coming to me. I
Speaker 3: gotta give Tarik props for that, props for shack. Treik
Speaker 3: kept coming to me saying, Pete man on, you ignoring
Speaker 3: this nigga man, He's nice and coming from tarikas Treka's
Speaker 3: my favorite rapper, the dead, nice voice and everything, so
Speaker 3: I would I was ignoring Corey Corey. Tarik kept pushing Corey.
Speaker 3: I didn't even see his voice was high pitched. But
Speaker 3: Tarik is such a like line owned and on skills
Speaker 3: level that he was like you sleeping on your own, son, bro,
Speaker 3: And then he started doing stuff on his own and
Speaker 3: the next thing you know, the bus came up. He
Speaker 3: just smack DVD this way.
Speaker 1: I want to say.
Speaker 3: The whole world was paying attention to call, like all
Speaker 3: the labels were calling me off the hook, and I
Speaker 3: was just like, cal this is this business could be
Speaker 3: fucked up. You don't want your kid to go through
Speaker 3: highs and lows in his business. And I was hoping
Speaker 3: to do something else, but I saw that there was
Speaker 3: there was nothing else he could do.
Speaker 1: This's what he's supposed to do. So that's how I happened.
Speaker 1: That's what's up, man.
Speaker 2: I respect that my g Damn man, Corey is a
Speaker 2: fucking assassin out here.
Speaker 1: Bro. Yeah, he's something else.
Speaker 3: I just did a song with Corey for my new project,
Speaker 3: and I made sure I did a slow record where
Speaker 3: we don't have to show our skills because I used
Speaker 3: to be a time I can hang with him, man,
Speaker 3: but this nigga is something different now method man and
Speaker 3: his son doing the project. You know, me and Corey
Speaker 3: to do a joint on it together, like he's trying
Speaker 3: to do a song with all the fathers and sons.
Speaker 3: But I definitely want to do a project with Corey,
Speaker 3: you know. That's that's on the that's on the bucket list.
Speaker 3: We always talk about it. We flirt with different songs.
Speaker 3: But right now I'm doing a project that way. I'm
Speaker 3: playing the instruments and doing you know, a lot of
Speaker 3: live music. Shoutut to my people in La Mike, Brent
Speaker 3: and Jesse and but been working on a live project.
Speaker 3: I'm dropping on my birthday January sixth oh. But it's different,
Speaker 3: It's left it ain't it ain't. It's called Billy White.
Speaker 3: I'm coming under the name Billy White.
Speaker 1: That's why that.
Speaker 2: That explains a little bit too on why you wow
Speaker 2: because you got a birthday right after New Year as
Speaker 2: soon as anybody like, yo.
Speaker 1: I'm broke. I can't go out.
Speaker 2: So crazy, right you like I got a wild out
Speaker 2: on New Year's act like it's my birthday a week before.
Speaker 2: That's how one of my homies is his birthday is
Speaker 2: two days after Christmas.
Speaker 1: Man, it was always tough.
Speaker 3: I feel bad for y'all, but I would say this,
Speaker 3: I always love. I always love. The winter was always
Speaker 3: my favorite time because Christmas, Thanksgiving, my birthday and all
Speaker 3: that shit. But more than that, the crime rate and
Speaker 3: the bronx. Try niggas must not like the cold, but
Speaker 3: the crime rate would drop in the winter because every
Speaker 3: summer I was losing two three friends and ship. So
Speaker 3: because it was rough in the bronx.
Speaker 1: Man, but serious New York City, boy, it's always people.
Speaker 3: I used to be like, I don't know why winter
Speaker 3: is my favorite season.
Speaker 1: I hate the cold like that.
Speaker 3: But somebody said, nigga, because it's the crime and I said,
Speaker 3: you're right, man, And that's what me because I don't
Speaker 3: love the cold no more. But back then it was
Speaker 3: that it was it was like, damn, at least everybody chilling.
Speaker 1: You know, it's crazy.
Speaker 2: You text me today he was like, yo, yo, we're
Speaker 2: still good for I'm like, yeah, yeah, I'm out here
Speaker 2: in your hood right now.
Speaker 1: I'm in south of you doing I'm in south of
Speaker 1: you doing research. Yo. Literally Yo, I'm in the car
Speaker 1: with my man because he gives me.
Speaker 2: He give me an address right so you know, it's
Speaker 2: the houses over there by Salvage.
Speaker 1: That's where Tarik is from.
Speaker 2: So I come around on the other side where I
Speaker 2: ain't see the project. So it's like, oh, this is
Speaker 2: cool over here. So we riding so I see the
Speaker 2: cop to.
Speaker 1: The middle of the project. So I'm like, damn, what
Speaker 1: projects is this? They got the cops.
Speaker 2: In the middle of the project in the daytime with
Speaker 2: the lights on. So I'm like, what projects is this?
Speaker 1: Yo.
Speaker 2: As I'm saying that to him, we ride by the
Speaker 2: sad that the sign the project sign Soundview.
Speaker 1: I said, oh, that explains.
Speaker 3: It, Like, yo, and my aunt lived in Soundview Projects,
Speaker 3: so I would have to stay there sometime.
Speaker 1: I'm up.
Speaker 3: Now listen, man, this is what a lot of people
Speaker 3: don't know. I'll be telling Tarika them this too. My
Speaker 3: building wasn't the projects. Tarika lived in. The Projects is
Speaker 3: sound Sound View was right over the right over the
Speaker 3: bridge from My aunt lived in there, so my mother
Speaker 3: would send me over there when our lights was out
Speaker 3: and the water wasn't right. They always had heat and
Speaker 3: hot water, had a little playground of playing.
Speaker 1: We ain't had that.
Speaker 3: So when niggas been like, oh, I grew up in
Speaker 3: the project, No nigga grow up where I grew up
Speaker 3: at where you had to maybe go to the fire
Speaker 3: hundred gets the water to warm, or when the lights
Speaker 3: is out because nobody pay their rent, the landlord can't
Speaker 3: get no oil. I grew up on that kind of shit.
Speaker 3: Projects was project was sweet to me. I get the lights, heat,
Speaker 3: fucking the playground in the back. So I grew up
Speaker 3: rougher than them niggas, and I always tell them, But however,
Speaker 3: Samdview is a different ball game. Shout out to all
Speaker 3: my niggas, is sam View money boss, shout the sex
Speaker 3: money murder.
Speaker 1: I might go to jail for saying that. No man
Speaker 1: shout them shout the beato man.
Speaker 3: Bemo was working on his documentary I'm On that he's
Speaker 3: working on a series shout out to be more shot
Speaker 3: the sex money listen. I never blooded in. It was
Speaker 3: always bulletproof love the time I came in. But I
Speaker 3: wore the red to as a lose. If you look
Speaker 3: at my video hold red leather suit, even though whole
Speaker 3: screamed on me. One day he said, my nigga, who
Speaker 3: got three numbers on a on a on a baseballers.
Speaker 1: Your chill? Hold? The only one would notice some ship
Speaker 1: like that too?
Speaker 2: Was I.
Speaker 3: Saw it one time on the road. He said, my
Speaker 3: nigga three numbers under you know, damn it. And we
Speaker 3: used to always be sarcasting. That was the first time
Speaker 3: Hold says.
Speaker 2: Something, Yo, that's crazy like ship being from the Brugs
Speaker 2: birthplace of hip hop.
Speaker 1: How you feel about the state of hip hop today? Oh?
Speaker 3: Man, I don't want to sound like the old like
Speaker 3: my moms used to sound. But I can't, Man, I
Speaker 3: can't get I can't.
Speaker 1: I can't.
Speaker 3: But again, people always think that I'm talking about I'm
Speaker 3: talking about this no talent. I ain't, man, that's the beats,
Speaker 3: that's the beats.
Speaker 1: Things change.
Speaker 3: You ain't got no talent?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can agree, and I don't agree. Some of
Speaker 1: them do. I'm not gonna know.
Speaker 3: I'm not no, no, It's never a blanket stink, never
Speaker 3: blinking nothing. Because we had some niggas, niggas to be
Speaker 3: like nigga and this was dope because niggas that pulled
Speaker 3: down some of my lyrics. One day, I was like, damn,
Speaker 3: that was.
Speaker 1: You kidding me. I'll be getting crucified. I can't say that.
Speaker 3: But we know what we're talking about, and we know
Speaker 3: who we're talking about. We just don't want to throw
Speaker 3: niggas under the bus. But it's a lot of it
Speaker 3: down there. I can never get with. Bro, the way
Speaker 3: niggas is the skirts, the sound, and then you and
Speaker 3: then you're no talent, none. And this my kids be
Speaker 3: trying to sell me. I said, Bro, it's nothing you
Speaker 3: could do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, my son too, my son you kidding me? The
Speaker 2: ship he listened to and be like, Yo, Dad, this
Speaker 2: is dude. He's the best.
Speaker 1: It's like, oh God, He'll.
Speaker 2: Be looking at him like you sure you mine? Like
Speaker 2: I don't even know what they're saying.
Speaker 3: I try to find it. I try to go all right,
Speaker 3: let me see what a couple of the little diamonds.
Speaker 2: A couple of them got it, man, don't get me wrong.
Speaker 2: Like the little Dirks was he he had it?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Look, I just don't That's another thing I don't like, Bro.
Speaker 3: I don't like the I don't like the telling, that
Speaker 3: telling I killed you.
Speaker 1: I smoked.
Speaker 3: When somebody's saying I'm smoking on a fifteen year old,
Speaker 3: sixteen year old kid, I can't fuck with that. It's
Speaker 3: that though, whenever they say they smoking on the pack.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but they was the same age. Bro, it wasn't
Speaker 1: the kid they killed.
Speaker 3: It was a it's just yo week it would be fifteen.
Speaker 2: I've wrapped, but they this team. Listen in the street law,
Speaker 2: you picked that pistol up. I don't care how old
Speaker 2: you are, just that's your street law. But the smoking
Speaker 2: on the pack of right, telling on yourself, telling on you.
Speaker 1: We didn't do that.
Speaker 3: But but if you can't say, as grown men still
Speaker 3: saying I'm smoking on this kid.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you can't say niggas didn't be like Yo,
Speaker 2: such and such die crack that bottle, nigga. We celebrating.
Speaker 2: We just didn't have Instagram, We just didn't have the music.
Speaker 3: Just the enemy saying that this the enemy, saying we
Speaker 3: smoking on them because they're getting that high. They just say,
Speaker 3: niggas pouring out a trip. You fuck you talking about
Speaker 3: they they we we poured.
Speaker 1: Out was a trip.
Speaker 2: I'm talking about niggas celebrating ops dying too, is that
Speaker 2: they killed, not on record.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about just being on the blackhood. That's different, bro,
Speaker 1: That's what I said.
Speaker 2: We just didn't have Instagram and we just didn't make
Speaker 2: music about that. These kids just going about it the
Speaker 2: wrong way. But it's the same thing niggas did on
Speaker 2: the block. Niggas spend down to go clip a nigga
Speaker 2: at a party that they've been trying to hit for
Speaker 2: a minute to come back to the hood, and like, yeah,
Speaker 2: we got them.
Speaker 3: Niggas is celebrating on Instagram.
Speaker 1: I'm with you on that, but but I just said
Speaker 1: they going about it the wrong way.
Speaker 3: Yes, and it's whack, Like you give them niggas a past.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I can agree. I was young, get crazy.
Speaker 2: My niggas is young and crazy too.
Speaker 1: Yo.
Speaker 2: I just told one of my homies, like I grew
Speaker 2: up with some of the wireless niggas that I used
Speaker 2: to look at them niggas as a kid and be like, man,
Speaker 2: I'm glad I know you, my man, that I ain't
Speaker 2: gotta go again to a nigga like you, like you
Speaker 2: on my team, like cause I grew up with some animals,
Speaker 2: my nigga, like, we'll be here all night.
Speaker 1: I know, but that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: So you can't say niggas celebrate in a win or
Speaker 2: or whatever they consider a when bad how celebrate just.
Speaker 3: I don't know, man, I just hate seeing them go
Speaker 3: to jail.
Speaker 1: I hate that. I hate the kids making too much money.
Speaker 3: Somebody mom, seeing somebody smoking, they son up to the
Speaker 3: that sh just I don't know what. Just don't sit well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, no, all those facts, I agree with you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's all. But other than that, I just miss
Speaker 3: it again. I'm the old man.
Speaker 1: Oh this nigga, just nigga.
Speaker 2: I'm creeping. I'm creeping to the fifth flow too. I'm
Speaker 2: three flights down. Don't worry, I'll be on the fifth
Speaker 2: flow real.
Speaker 3: But I don't like to sound like the hating old nigga.
Speaker 2: I hate none, man, definitely, just a lot of shit
Speaker 2: I just can't fuck with.
Speaker 1: From like a lot of these artists now, I am
Speaker 1: aged out, Like to what you No, man, you ain't
Speaker 1: aged out. Never. We vintage off. Like maybe what you're
Speaker 1: saying is.
Speaker 2: Right because a lot of the like with the talent,
Speaker 2: because a lot of artists today go viral for content
Speaker 2: over craft.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Corey would have been on fire when it
Speaker 3: first came out, had I did what they told me
Speaker 3: to do. But I was glad that I'll let him
Speaker 3: make that decision. He was like, he's two. He got
Speaker 3: dumb it down.
Speaker 1: Mm, he's too good.
Speaker 3: It's unbelievable. He gotta dumb it down. So Corey, Corey
Speaker 3: is on the level of an eminem. Sorry, people gonna
Speaker 3: kill me for that.
Speaker 1: A kid.
Speaker 3: And and they wanted him to do a record like
Speaker 3: Homework one, one to the two, to the three, to
Speaker 3: the four. That's what they literally, that's what they told
Speaker 3: me at the office.
Speaker 1: We need one of these.
Speaker 2: I said, yeah, but you know, listen, one thing about labels,
Speaker 2: they don't know think about it. They telling you go
Speaker 2: home and imitate somebody else. That'll let you know right there,
Speaker 2: they don't know.
Speaker 1: You can't.
Speaker 2: That's not how you make music. It's imitate imitates life,
Speaker 2: not other people.
Speaker 3: I agree, But what they was trying to do. In
Speaker 3: other words, what they're trying to say is he would
Speaker 3: have been a star in your time with this skill
Speaker 3: level where we are now, he needs one of these.
Speaker 2: Business No disrespect the homie who made one to the three,
Speaker 2: to the foe man. He got his bread up right,
Speaker 2: he got his bad he's straight. But in music, where
Speaker 2: is he today? Guns is still here?
Speaker 1: And the executives that told you that, I'm pretty sure
Speaker 1: they not there. No more. No executives is around. This
Speaker 1: is what I'm trying to tell you.
Speaker 2: So what you do, like like I told Gun when
Speaker 2: he sat here, man like, you know, dumb down for people.
Speaker 2: People got the smart enough for you. You know what
Speaker 2: I mean? That's just real ship man Like, that's.
Speaker 3: A decision I let to make though, I said, listen,
Speaker 3: and he made a couple of yo. Shout out to Guru, man.
Speaker 3: I cannot Guru had Corey's back from a million times.
Speaker 3: I cannot leave that out. Man, shout Guru. I love you,
Speaker 3: bro y'all.
Speaker 2: I remember when Gun first signed the Rockefeller I spoke
Speaker 2: to you you like, Yo, I appreciate y'all.
Speaker 1: Man hold my son down because he.
Speaker 3: Said, he said, he said, he said, he spoke to you,
Speaker 3: you greenlit.
Speaker 2: I'm like, yo, listen, gun we need him man, I'm mad.
Speaker 2: It was the transition to Rock and Fell at that
Speaker 2: time when Jay was going to death jam.
Speaker 1: So a lot of shit happened at that time.
Speaker 3: I think it was a lot of things for him, man,
Speaker 3: you know what, I'm j hold on because I got
Speaker 3: to clear this some A lot of people don't notice.
Speaker 3: Tommy with Tola asked Jay to sign court. We were
Speaker 3: signing Tommy. He said, I think you can help this kid.
Speaker 3: They don't get it, but you got to remember when
Speaker 3: we got there, everybody was on hole hole got it.
Speaker 1: We need, we need, we need.
Speaker 3: And I went to have a meeting with him and
Speaker 3: it was a line around the corner like the god
Speaker 3: Remember the Godfather. Everybody was having the time.
Speaker 1: Everybody was saying there yup.
Speaker 3: Be was even in the office. So I was like,
Speaker 3: we in Guru office, waiting for our term like everybody else.
Speaker 3: So I can say what's going on with Core. And
Speaker 3: one of the young gunners was there and he was
Speaker 3: waiting for his time and he was like really complaining
Speaker 3: the gurgle. I don't know them. I never really met them, man,
Speaker 3: just no no shade to them. They was there to
Speaker 3: see Hole for something. Yeah, and they had to wait
Speaker 3: and it was like frustrating for them, and I was
Speaker 3: I looked at car I said, yo, if he's just
Speaker 3: having a hard time, that niggas having a hard time
Speaker 3: of it. We need to get up out of here.
Speaker 3: So when I got the whole office, he was sitting
Speaker 3: on this side of the desk and I was over
Speaker 3: there and he said, come over here.
Speaker 1: M h.
Speaker 3: I don't even feel right talking to you from behind
Speaker 3: his desk and he was like, what do you want
Speaker 3: to do man? I said, Yo, we just gonna get
Speaker 3: about of here. M He said, it's cold out there,
Speaker 3: my nigga.
Speaker 1: You sure?
Speaker 3: I said yeah, because in my mom we gonna just
Speaker 3: walk to another deal. Because Corey was like that, he
Speaker 3: was like, is that what you want? Won't you just
Speaker 3: turn him up in the building and they'll get behind him.
Speaker 3: I was like, nah, man, we just get up. He said,
Speaker 3: I'll tell you what. Meet me at Cllo and we'll
Speaker 3: talk about this and llo. So I met him at Cello.
Speaker 3: He said, what you want to say, just give us
Speaker 3: the rest of the budget to eat on.
Speaker 1: Let us get the music.
Speaker 3: And I asked for one more thing.
Speaker 1: He said done.
Speaker 3: He made called Jay Brown said make this happen, and
Speaker 3: that's how we got out of here. And you know,
Speaker 3: he went to Young Money. But long story short, it
Speaker 3: was he didn't have to do that. They could have
Speaker 3: just fucking held us on. But he's let me know,
Speaker 3: I'm leaving. So whatever you want to happen need to happen.
Speaker 1: Now. Oh, let us out.
Speaker 3: No, that's a fact. And so you know, shout out.
Speaker 3: People got a lot of shit to say, but that
Speaker 3: man let us go.
Speaker 1: At first.
Speaker 3: He could have been like, nah, turn him up in
Speaker 3: the building, figure it out.
Speaker 1: He was like no. But you know I knew him
Speaker 1: before all of this. We toured together, bro.
Speaker 2: I remember when we had a old nigga and y'all
Speaker 2: had the major, major, major smoker. He was coming out
Speaker 2: first and y'all was shutting it down the after like
Speaker 2: they was giving me advice.
Speaker 3: Then, yeah, like don't don't because I was doing a
Speaker 3: separate album tarik. He saying, nah, y'all got to stay together,
Speaker 3: do another one. But you know, it was so so
Speaker 3: when seeing him in the office, was it It didn't
Speaker 3: feel right for us to be having that kind of conversation. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and I felt niggas say, how could you feel bad
Speaker 3: for him? I felt bad because when you get in
Speaker 3: a position you got to tell. Even the people like
Speaker 3: niggas he knew a hundred years before me. He got
Speaker 3: to be like, yo, I'm he's trying to It was
Speaker 3: the I wouldn't have wanted that job.
Speaker 1: I saw that.
Speaker 2: I was like, that's why when he sat that line,
Speaker 2: heaviest they had that way as the crown.
Speaker 1: I'm like, he ain't never fucking but I knew he leaven.
Speaker 3: We need to get the fuck out of here now
Speaker 3: because they don't care about I think the only reason
Speaker 3: I'm even behind this meeting with Ja is because of Jah.
Speaker 3: So if he leave Google going with him, who the fuck?
Speaker 3: We got the same people telling us what we need
Speaker 3: to do. So I just I took the I took
Speaker 3: the you know. We walked up. We went to a
Speaker 3: couple of labels and they was like, no, I said, damn,
Speaker 3: Jay was right, it's cold out here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, industry and yeah. More. Shout out to my nephew, Jim.
Speaker 3: I never give him credit, but Jim was out in
Speaker 3: New Orleans and talking to mac Maine and one Corey
Speaker 3: free agent, and so I think my nephew Jim is
Speaker 3: the real reason that Corey got signed.
Speaker 2: That's what something man shout out McMahon, Wayne and them.
Speaker 2: That's sure, man, Like fucking one thing I wanted to
Speaker 2: add on to. You know, a lot of people got
Speaker 2: a lot of negative ship to say about J but
Speaker 2: Jay in business and I feel like this is this
Speaker 2: is the guy on this truth. And I'm not saying
Speaker 2: this because this is my brother. I practice what I preach.
Speaker 2: J business model to me has always been honesty and
Speaker 2: integrity with everything. He ain't never robbed nobody. And I
Speaker 2: did the same thing with my artists. Like I remember,
Speaker 2: you know when I signed Casting over Manolo Rose and
Speaker 2: all these other artists that I signed, you know, Huey
Speaker 2: V everybody. You know that three sixty deal came out.
Speaker 2: Everybody wanted publishing, everybody wanted this. Everybody wanted that. I
Speaker 2: never I told people, Listen, the same deal I had
Speaker 2: is the same deal I gave all my artists, right,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying where we don't touch none
Speaker 2: of that. So we kept it fair across the border.
Speaker 2: And that's one thing how I was raised. So I
Speaker 2: like that what you say, like, how let anybody that
Speaker 2: has anything bad to say about the dude brown?
Speaker 3: Yeah, because how could you not be proud of this
Speaker 3: dude coming from where we And when I say where
Speaker 3: we come from, I'm not talking about just I'm talking
Speaker 3: about New York, the streets that like if I just
Speaker 3: from the bottom man and still even at one spot
Speaker 3: for me. You know, there's certain rappers when they do
Speaker 3: a top five and you can put them in that position,
Speaker 3: and I want to argue with you. You can say,
Speaker 3: your guns my top five, Andre Thou. I'm not gonna
Speaker 3: argue that's right. I got kissing my top five.
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 3: He's been in the one spot for me.
Speaker 1: So but it's hard, yo. Let me say this to you.
Speaker 3: When you when you got what you got and you
Speaker 3: and you that level of an artist, it's uh, you know,
Speaker 3: and then people say you New York, y'all, just jay
Speaker 3: Z for y'all New York. You know, I got three
Speaker 3: thousands in my in my five as well. You know
Speaker 3: that's scar Face is my favorite storyteller. Him and Slick
Speaker 3: Rick Tupac from New York. But they say about that
Speaker 3: he is from New York, baby New York.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he is from New York. My bad fucked up.
Speaker 2: I fucked up, my bad. West Coast took him from us.
Speaker 3: Now, yeah they got where you say hot jack. I
Speaker 3: always tell people go google it. His first rap name
Speaker 3: was New York.
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 3: But yeah, so no, so you know you got you
Speaker 3: got that going on. But at the same time, that's
Speaker 3: what comes with the territory. When you're hot, man, that's
Speaker 3: what's gonna happen.
Speaker 1: That's a fact.
Speaker 2: Even sometimes when it's all set and done, the smoke class,
Speaker 2: everything done, your home, chilling your shot Scotch, playing my game,
Speaker 2: sitting on the on the back porch. What you want
Speaker 2: them to remember or say about Peter Guns He was he.
Speaker 1: Was we said he was.
Speaker 3: He was honest, he's real, never tried to front like
Speaker 3: he was something he wasn't. And just that's it. You know,
Speaker 3: we all flawed. You know, I'm definitely flawed. There's definitely
Speaker 3: things there that's flawed. But remember me as somebody that
Speaker 3: always kept in the hunting and I'm comfortable with that.
Speaker 3: When lose a drawer, hate me, you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: But a man mostly I'm not to be played with.
Speaker 3: That's what some man ship and I'm honest, and I
Speaker 3: just and I honestly like to see my brothers winning.
Speaker 3: I think I think that's what bothered me about my
Speaker 3: people mostly were we are worst ending me man.
Speaker 1: That's a fact. That's a fact.
Speaker 2: That's why I don't knock learning the young guys. Even
Speaker 2: if I don't listen to the music, I still give
Speaker 2: them that string. Why they get into that bag. You know,
Speaker 2: my son want to go to the show. We're gonna
Speaker 2: get them tickets. Yeah, like you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: I'm going I'm gonna support all day.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 3: But I just wish it was different, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean. I wish it was different because it's us
Speaker 3: on us and a lot of a lot of shit
Speaker 3: they do and bleak. They wouldn't be in no other nationality.
Speaker 1: That's and I think they wouldn't let that flop.
Speaker 2: I think it's just because music, how accessible music is.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 3: I think it's like I think, we don't have no
Speaker 3: control over what they put out there for our kids.
Speaker 3: Look at the end of the day, this is controlled
Speaker 3: and it is so. If they had to put out
Speaker 3: more positive, more more skillful, more talent, that's what they
Speaker 3: would do. But Nah, the machine likes this. Yeah, kill
Speaker 3: each other. Go ahead and say this to say that
Speaker 3: mumbo nigga take drugs.
Speaker 1: Tell them that's what it is.
Speaker 3: Do this, do that to make every lyric about fucking
Speaker 3: and popping drugs, and you know that they control that, bro,
Speaker 3: they now give it.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna cut you off because you can't say that
Speaker 2: nobody told you get on TV and emulate the same
Speaker 2: thing we're rapping about. You just ain't killed nobody what
Speaker 2: you said, the talk about the fucking in this, So
Speaker 2: you can't say, no one goes in the studio like,
Speaker 2: think about it, that I win't made souls called hustlers.
Speaker 2: Who the fuck?
Speaker 1: What?
Speaker 2: What bounce bitch round here? Nobody Leo told me not
Speaker 2: to put round here out that.
Speaker 1: It wasn't a single I got. The answer for that.
Speaker 3: Is including TV, including what I'm doing. Yeah, that wouldn't
Speaker 3: fly nowhere else in certain places, the ship that we
Speaker 3: be doing. You're making my point, even TV and all that,
Speaker 3: if somebody was to go nah, we not example, in China,
Speaker 3: they can't go in there and see who work the best.
Speaker 3: They contested who could solve this goddamn calculus.
Speaker 2: It's dictatorship, bro, But hold on, you have freedom of
Speaker 2: speech here.
Speaker 1: No, one can't compare that country.
Speaker 3: But what I'm saying is, even here, there's certain things
Speaker 3: that wouldn't fly for certain ethnicity.
Speaker 2: But there's certain things in other countries that don't fly here.
Speaker 2: Because you will go to London somewhere and see some
Speaker 2: chick with her titties out on the phone commercial that
Speaker 2: that all never fly here. It should wow, my thoughter,
Speaker 2: don't need to be looking at no boobs on it?
Speaker 1: After the commercial say it can't.
Speaker 3: Could you could walk through Time Square with no shirt on?
Speaker 3: A woman could anytime?
Speaker 1: She? Yeah, I know, but my daughter don't live in
Speaker 1: Tomes Square.
Speaker 3: But what I'm what I'm saying is but the ship,
Speaker 3: that the ship that might be programming her might be
Speaker 3: worse than that.
Speaker 2: No, we don't play the programming we play. We program
Speaker 2: in my house, we program. We don't do the programming.
Speaker 2: Like nothing calls my daughter. You know what calls my
Speaker 2: daughter a book?
Speaker 1: That's good? You know what I'm saying, that's a buck.
Speaker 3: But she got the opportunity at some point to go
Speaker 3: in there and.
Speaker 1: See what it is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely she go check cut to torials on how
Speaker 2: to make shit.
Speaker 1: That's one thing I love about my daughter.
Speaker 2: She want to She want to be an inventor so
Speaker 2: bad that this girl makes shit out of paper napkins.
Speaker 1: It's like word up.
Speaker 2: She want to invent some ship. It's like, gad, girl,
Speaker 2: invent it. I'm gonna pay for it. Don't you worry.
Speaker 2: Soon as you make the right right.
Speaker 3: You got a lot of parents ain't programmed like that.
Speaker 2: Because I wanted to break the curse. Like it's nobody
Speaker 2: in my family that was married. So that's why I
Speaker 2: knew I wanted to be the first one. I'm gonna
Speaker 2: do it.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna break this curt so certain thing be married.
Speaker 1: This would be my tenth year. This year, do it? Man?
Speaker 1: You mean man?
Speaker 2: The recipe is I met someone that's that's just identical
Speaker 2: to me. She agreed to everything that we both have
Speaker 2: the same views and values and cherish the same things.
Speaker 1: Only thing we don't agree on I smoke. We she
Speaker 1: eat mushrooms. Hey, you feel.
Speaker 2: Other than that, everything else is in common, and I
Speaker 2: feel like we talk about everything, like like I got homies.
Speaker 2: That's my homies, my dogs where I tell everything and
Speaker 2: I feel like this is the first time I met
Speaker 2: a woman who is closer than that. Yeah, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, Like I can tell anything and.
Speaker 1: Never be judged or never be looked at it. So
Speaker 1: I knew, I knew.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you know that's that's I gotta be
Speaker 3: honest with you.
Speaker 1: I never had it.
Speaker 3: I didn't start smoking and drinking cigars till I was
Speaker 3: in my forties, Nika twenty five. Because I came up
Speaker 3: with brothers like that. I gave to mother my word.
Speaker 3: I will never do nothing. But women has been the
Speaker 3: hardest thing for me.
Speaker 1: It's been. It's been the.
Speaker 3: Hardest thing for me to to to be faithful and
Speaker 3: just chill with one woman. That's been nothing. I think
Speaker 3: that's the hardest task I ever had in my life.
Speaker 1: Man, No, it's it's tough.
Speaker 2: Bro. You just gotta what they say, avoid temptation. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. You gotta stay away. Like
Speaker 2: Friday night, I'm going bowling. I ain't going to the club.
Speaker 1: You feel me? In fact certain he will. He want
Speaker 1: to go.
Speaker 3: He want to go to the club. I want to
Speaker 3: go both.
Speaker 1: This nigga got his own nigga. He runs ship.
Speaker 3: I ain't got nothing, but I.
Speaker 1: Love my niggas yo, I swear yo. I love doing better.
Speaker 3: Now though, But this nigga used to run ship.
Speaker 1: Yo.
Speaker 2: So what's next? My g you don't call the music
Speaker 2: media what's next? On the ring invent during the reinvention
Speaker 2: of Peter Guns. What's next? When you said you're working
Speaker 2: on music?
Speaker 3: I got this joint called The Diary of Billy White,
Speaker 3: got a song run dropping on my birthday.
Speaker 1: It's a rock so every six man, I remember that.
Speaker 3: That's right, Insurrection Day that's coming January sixth. It's totally
Speaker 3: left field, but it's the difference with what I'm doing
Speaker 3: now is what I want to do. It's not like, yo, good,
Speaker 3: you need to do a record like this and this
Speaker 3: and that. Me in the studio with my guitar, my
Speaker 3: boys jamming and we just man, I don't care nobody.
Speaker 1: I'm doing it for me, So it's all up.
Speaker 3: Shooting the TV show was shot called graves In.
Speaker 1: That's right. Shout out shock, shout out. Sigu was telling
Speaker 1: me about the scenes, may too, right graves In.
Speaker 2: I ain't getting no I ain't getting no role. They
Speaker 2: could have even killed me. I could have been a body.
Speaker 1: They were love. I could have been up in the pack.
Speaker 3: Listen, Big Daddy Kane is on it too. Special shout
Speaker 3: the specially big.
Speaker 1: Shout Out Special Big Daddy King.
Speaker 3: Funny story is this from Brooklyn's Graves in Brooklyn, somebody
Speaker 3: even mentioned your name, They're gonna go crazy.
Speaker 1: But I could have been a pat Oh you in.
Speaker 3: They would love that. Anybody from Brooklyn can get on
Speaker 3: the shows. Brooklyn, Brooklyn call them niggas.
Speaker 1: Pull up, I'm there whatever, let me know I'm there.
Speaker 2: That's done, so gad, I cut you off my bag
Speaker 2: and then you know, Yeah, they used to tell me.
Speaker 1: That when I first started bleak, stop being like normal.
Speaker 1: You cutting the guests off, let them talk.
Speaker 3: Stepping so you step on somebody with that happened a
Speaker 3: hip hop y'all stepping on each other. So yeah, so
Speaker 3: I think Graves in Diary and Billy White the rock Star.
Speaker 3: I'm doing a bunch of content, and then of course
Speaker 3: I'm getting the studio with Corey messing around.
Speaker 1: But I got a lot of.
Speaker 3: Content coming out too early to talk about. But yeah,
Speaker 3: that's I know. I'm leaving out somebody. I got a
Speaker 3: shout Jane Smith, my manager, Alex and the whole crew
Speaker 3: they all, you know, King Hamilton, they all been holding
Speaker 3: me down. They believe in me, and that's hard to
Speaker 3: find this day in time. Believe it in the old
Speaker 3: nigga try and live his dreams.
Speaker 1: So you got somebody to believe. Man, the dreams come true. Man.
Speaker 1: That's all it take is the belief. Bro. I swear
Speaker 1: one person to believe.
Speaker 2: I I tell niggas all the time, man, I thank
Speaker 2: God that day rest in peace. Clock can't and Jay
Speaker 2: walk through the projects because I used to tell Hove.
Speaker 2: Clark was like, let me hear what you got, so
Speaker 2: he didn't. Never said that. Clark knows God.
Speaker 3: It's my god, man, Clock just two songs of album.
Speaker 1: Word, that's my man. Damn man, that's what's up.
Speaker 3: Cloy time I see the clock.
Speaker 1: You ass to beat.
Speaker 3: I gave you twenty yock whatever you want.
Speaker 1: Shout to my man, Ski, you got that's right. Ski
Speaker 1: produced two joints on the Diary of Billy White. Myama.
Speaker 1: That's dope, man.
Speaker 2: Shout out Ski and to hook and to hook out there.
Speaker 2: Grown weed, now, yeah, man, worry out there.
Speaker 1: Grown weedy. Get it, you get it. That's right man.
Speaker 1: That's what we do.
Speaker 2: Man, y'all appreciate you pulling up man kicking it with us.
Speaker 2: Man like I said, I love you, my brother to me,
Speaker 2: and I love my O g's and respect all of them.
Speaker 2: Man back at you, my brother, like you said. New
Speaker 2: season of Cheatahs coming right.
Speaker 3: New season the Cheetahs Diaria Billy White January sixth. January sixth,
Speaker 3: and Graves in Man Mob series.
Speaker 2: I might be in it, I might not, I might
Speaker 2: be a pack, but this is rock solid and you
Speaker 2: know what it is. And du say is that? And
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