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Good morning if you're watching 0:00:33.640 --> 0:00:37.120 on Peacock or the NBC Sports networker listening on our 0:00:37.200 --> 0:00:41.640 radio affiliates over four hundred cities carrying this program. We 0:00:41.640 --> 0:00:44.760 were talking at the end of last hour about the 0:00:44.880 --> 0:00:48.400 rash of ACL injuries this year, led by Micah Parsons 0:00:48.400 --> 0:00:52.320 and Patrick Mahomes. Mahomes got hurt that was contact in 0:00:52.360 --> 0:00:56.680 the Chargers game, Micah Parson's non contact injury. And yesterday 0:00:56.720 --> 0:00:59.400 the NFL said that they announced they're going to have 0:00:59.400 --> 0:01:03.240 a study to look at turf and these are new rules, 0:01:03.320 --> 0:01:05.640 or at least a new policy, a new approach to 0:01:05.720 --> 0:01:08.640 this and people, I think we're surprised at the number 0:01:08.720 --> 0:01:13.479 of torn acls so far this year. Thirty so far. Now, 0:01:13.480 --> 0:01:16.959 that seems like a lot. And the reason why it 0:01:16.959 --> 0:01:18.920 seems like a lot is because there's some big names 0:01:18.920 --> 0:01:21.760 in here. In twenty twenty four there were thirty eight 0:01:21.840 --> 0:01:25.280 torn acls, twenty twenty three, forty three, twenty twenty two 0:01:25.319 --> 0:01:30.319 point fifty one, twenty twenty one, fifty seven, twenty twenty 0:01:30.680 --> 0:01:33.920 forty two. You can go back to twenty thirteen there 0:01:33.920 --> 0:01:37.840 were sixty three torn acls. So it seems like we're 0:01:37.880 --> 0:01:41.360 trending down. But why can't we come up with universal 0:01:41.480 --> 0:01:45.520 fields that can prevent at least the non contact injury. 0:01:45.959 --> 0:01:47.840 So we bring in the head coach of the Chargers, 0:01:47.920 --> 0:01:52.320 Jim Harbaugh. Those numbers alarming to you, surprising to you. 0:01:52.720 --> 0:01:58.160 Anything we can do to improve those number of acls, Yeah, I. 0:01:58.080 --> 0:02:01.000 Mean that discussions big going not for a long time 0:02:01.080 --> 0:02:04.480 with the UH, with the turf and they and they 0:02:04.640 --> 0:02:08.120 they're very scientific about it. Uh, you know my understanding 0:02:08.919 --> 0:02:11.680 almost like you know stint meters in UH in golf. 0:02:11.800 --> 0:02:15.840 But those numbers, to me, I mean it's it. Uh, 0:02:16.040 --> 0:02:18.440 it's like one a year. You know, that's that's kind 0:02:18.480 --> 0:02:22.120 of my my recollection from uh, you know, from coaching 0:02:22.160 --> 0:02:25.239 all these years and and UH and playing as well 0:02:25.280 --> 0:02:29.120 as about UH, one guy and the team will get. 0:02:28.919 --> 0:02:31.040 An a c L. And it was a day where 0:02:31.040 --> 0:02:33.519 that uh, that a c L would be career ending. 0:02:33.560 --> 0:02:36.040 You know, think back then, Yeah, you know Gail Sayers 0:02:36.120 --> 0:02:40.440 and uh and now uh you know it's uh advancements 0:02:40.520 --> 0:02:44.360 in UH in safety and medical UH you know, UH 0:02:44.520 --> 0:02:47.120 are are really incredible and getting getting better all the time. 0:02:47.280 --> 0:02:49.600 But when you were at Michigan, all of your linemen 0:02:49.639 --> 0:02:54.600 had to wear braces, knee braces, Yes, that was that 0:02:54.720 --> 0:02:57.760 was And how preventative is that? I know Jake Buds 0:02:57.840 --> 0:03:00.920 got hurt and Blake Korum you know got hurt as well. 0:03:00.960 --> 0:03:06.160 Those are contact But did it is it that helpful 0:03:06.160 --> 0:03:07.960 in preventing a c LS? 0:03:08.280 --> 0:03:12.880 I thought so, I really did, Dan Uh, the the 0:03:12.960 --> 0:03:15.800 running backs tight ends didn't didn't wear them. But we 0:03:15.840 --> 0:03:19.880 had the defensive linemen wearing uh knee braces in practice. 0:03:20.400 --> 0:03:22.000 UH and that. 0:03:21.960 --> 0:03:28.720 Would uh it doesn't prevent prevent like a but whatever 0:03:28.800 --> 0:03:31.000 injury it would have been, it makes it a lot 0:03:31.200 --> 0:03:35.240 less in in my experience, and UH and Uh, trainers 0:03:35.240 --> 0:03:36.480 in the medical experts. 0:03:36.880 --> 0:03:39.880 What was different about the Chiefs this year as opposed 0:03:39.880 --> 0:03:40.800 to previous years. 0:03:42.080 --> 0:03:48.440 Oh, there's there's it's just the most the most historic, incredible. 0:03:48.640 --> 0:03:52.480 Uh you know job that that team has done year 0:03:52.520 --> 0:03:56.600 in year out, Andy Reid, Uh. 0:03:57.080 --> 0:04:00.400 You know the best, he's the best. Uh. Patrick Homes 0:04:00.840 --> 0:04:02.520 incredible competitor. 0:04:02.840 --> 0:04:06.520 And uh that was I was talking to one of 0:04:06.520 --> 0:04:09.280 our our assistant coaches yesterday. 0:04:08.880 --> 0:04:11.400 And if we could just do half, we could just. 0:04:11.360 --> 0:04:14.600 Do half of what they they've been able to accomplish 0:04:14.680 --> 0:04:17.000 over the last seven years. 0:04:17.120 --> 0:04:19.240 You know, we I do it. I know I would 0:04:19.240 --> 0:04:19.920 do a cartwheel. 0:04:21.120 --> 0:04:24.920 But what what's the game plan of of Mahomes? He 0:04:24.960 --> 0:04:27.280 seems like he's running a lot more. He had been 0:04:27.360 --> 0:04:29.920 running a lot more than in previous years and had 0:04:29.960 --> 0:04:33.400 been their most dangerous runner. But as a defensive philosophy, 0:04:33.640 --> 0:04:35.280 what was it going into this game? 0:04:36.960 --> 0:04:40.880 There? They had adversity in the offensive line. 0:04:41.080 --> 0:04:46.320 Uh, different combinations, different different you know, really good players out. 0:04:46.360 --> 0:04:51.400 But uh, they guy stepped in and uh they were 0:04:52.080 --> 0:04:55.880 Chiefs are still operating at a at a very high level. 0:04:56.160 --> 0:04:59.039 And I was, I mean, I was for the competitor 0:04:59.560 --> 0:05:03.680 that Patrick is. I mean that was was just hoping 0:05:03.800 --> 0:05:06.440 praying that, uh that he would have dodged a bullet, 0:05:06.839 --> 0:05:09.239 and uh, you know, unfortunately he didn't. 0:05:09.240 --> 0:05:12.400 But uh, he's he's already you know, getting ready. 0:05:12.240 --> 0:05:15.560 For surgery and you just just know his mindset it's 0:05:15.600 --> 0:05:18.240 going to be it's gonna be surgery and then and 0:05:18.279 --> 0:05:18.880 then rehab. 0:05:18.960 --> 0:05:21.960 He's just he just he's he just he just wants 0:05:21.960 --> 0:05:22.240 to be. 0:05:22.279 --> 0:05:26.960 Doing and so that's uh really we're trying to replicate 0:05:27.000 --> 0:05:30.120 that here and in Los Angeles, and uh. 0:05:30.000 --> 0:05:32.320 What are you trying to force him out of the 0:05:32.360 --> 0:05:35.280 pocket because he loves to go right, but I you know, 0:05:36.360 --> 0:05:38.400 it's it's easier said than done that we don't want 0:05:38.440 --> 0:05:40.280 to let him go outside the pocket. 0:05:42.120 --> 0:05:47.760 Patrick Mahomes, Yeah, oh, uh you get you try to 0:05:47.800 --> 0:05:52.520 contain him, you really do that. Uh, the the discipline 0:05:52.520 --> 0:05:54.320 in the in the rush lanes you got to have. 0:05:54.880 --> 0:05:59.200 It's got to be coordinated with with all five or 0:05:59.600 --> 0:06:02.560 four or six or seven rushers, uh, you know, every 0:06:02.600 --> 0:06:05.719 single play. And he's still and he still finds ways 0:06:05.760 --> 0:06:11.200 to uh you know, to make the impossible possible. But uh, 0:06:12.120 --> 0:06:15.440 it's Tuesday, it's uh, it's our feeder moving. 0:06:15.520 --> 0:06:15.960 We're up. 0:06:16.160 --> 0:06:18.760 We're gonna keep them moving because uh, we got Dallas 0:06:18.760 --> 0:06:21.960 this year this week and uh, I really think they're 0:06:21.960 --> 0:06:24.839 the They're the best offense we've played in a while. Uh, 0:06:24.920 --> 0:06:29.520 really good receivers, really good quarterback, very good up front, 0:06:29.600 --> 0:06:32.720 and running game that we're gonna try to figure out 0:06:32.720 --> 0:06:34.360 how to stop as well. 0:06:34.200 --> 0:06:38.600 Talk down, Jim Harbaugh, Chargers head coach. You coach any 0:06:38.640 --> 0:06:41.400 differently in December than you do in September. 0:06:42.880 --> 0:06:45.760 That's a great question. You know, they all count the same, 0:06:46.200 --> 0:06:49.599 you know they count the same, but uh, yeah, it's different. 0:06:49.600 --> 0:06:52.839 It's almost it's like the fourth quarter in a in 0:06:52.880 --> 0:06:55.720 a game, you know, and then you know, you get 0:06:55.760 --> 0:06:59.120 down to the to the end and it's you know, 0:06:59.240 --> 0:07:01.720 then it's and it's like like the two minute drill, 0:07:01.920 --> 0:07:03.560 you know, in the in the in the playoffs or 0:07:03.680 --> 0:07:05.279 you know, trying to get into the playoffs. 0:07:05.320 --> 0:07:08.159 But everybody, everybody's fighting for their lives. 0:07:08.160 --> 0:07:12.720 Everybody's fighting, you know, really for their their playoff destiny. 0:07:13.200 --> 0:07:16.680 And and that's and the and the and the teams 0:07:16.680 --> 0:07:19.640 that aren't don't have a chance to be in the playoffs, 0:07:20.080 --> 0:07:23.600 they're fighting at the at the highest level, uh, you know, 0:07:23.640 --> 0:07:26.520 for pride and for for for their team and for 0:07:26.560 --> 0:07:29.200 their for their their organizations. 0:07:29.240 --> 0:07:34.000 It's it's the competitive season. Tis the season for competition. 0:07:35.000 --> 0:07:39.080 How much does it help playing the position as a 0:07:39.120 --> 0:07:42.520 head coach, helping Justin Herbert play the position. 0:07:44.400 --> 0:07:46.520 I've been asked that a bunch of times, and I 0:07:46.760 --> 0:07:49.400 don't have a great answer for that, because he is 0:07:49.560 --> 0:07:54.960 just so much better at everything, uh, every every part 0:07:55.000 --> 0:07:55.440 of the game. 0:07:56.400 --> 0:07:56.720 Uh. 0:07:56.840 --> 0:07:59.760 Is there anything you do better than or did better 0:07:59.800 --> 0:08:00.640 than Justin Herbert? 0:08:00.960 --> 0:08:04.400 There's nothing. There's nothing, nothing, And I don't want to 0:08:04.440 --> 0:08:07.520 demonstrate anything. I mean, it's just not gonna it's not 0:08:07.520 --> 0:08:10.680 gonna look right. Uh So I just uh, you know, 0:08:10.840 --> 0:08:15.880 really really focus on uh, you know, number one, protecting him. 0:08:17.280 --> 0:08:18.960 And but it's just. 0:08:20.520 --> 0:08:24.880 H yeah, a tremendous blessing to have him Derwin, James, 0:08:25.120 --> 0:08:30.880 Justin Herbert, Khalil Mack. Uh the absolute best leaders I've 0:08:30.880 --> 0:08:36.240 ever been and playmakers leaders and playmakers uh that uh, 0:08:36.880 --> 0:08:38.319 that I've ever been associated with. 0:08:39.120 --> 0:08:42.000 You said you were still processing the Sharon More situation. 0:08:42.600 --> 0:08:44.000 What are you processing? 0:08:44.040 --> 0:08:45.000 What are what? 0:08:45.280 --> 0:08:49.319 What is going through your head or trying to understand? 0:08:50.120 --> 0:08:53.160 Yeah, it's it's uh really still and still don't have 0:08:53.200 --> 0:08:54.160 my head wrapped around it. 0:08:54.640 --> 0:08:56.520 Dan Uh, it's. 0:08:58.480 --> 0:09:03.640 Yeah it Uh yeah, it's a tragedy and just praying 0:09:03.679 --> 0:09:08.560 for all concerned. I love my alma mater, love Michigan, 0:09:09.160 --> 0:09:13.360 and but I love the Chargers too. And uh, i'd 0:09:13.360 --> 0:09:15.240 been doing a disservice if I wasn't putting all my 0:09:15.280 --> 0:09:17.040 focus on the on this game. 0:09:17.120 --> 0:09:19.000 This is the most important game for us. 0:09:19.840 --> 0:09:23.320 When's the last time you talked to Sharon Moore? Uh? 0:09:24.000 --> 0:09:29.800 Have it early early December? Uh? But I I have texted. 0:09:29.559 --> 0:09:35.920 Him nothing, nothing since he was arrested, just text Oh 0:09:35.960 --> 0:09:38.800 you have Yeah. How are his spirits? 0:09:39.880 --> 0:09:44.880 Uh? I think I think there is. It's a tragedy. 0:09:45.120 --> 0:09:49.080 What Uh the worst days of his life and uh, 0:09:49.280 --> 0:09:51.760 you know, keep it together and and uh and take 0:09:51.800 --> 0:09:52.440 care of your family. 0:09:52.480 --> 0:09:56.120 That's you know, that's the message. And I and I 0:09:55.440 --> 0:10:00.319 and getting spiritual guidance. Uh, you know, he's really cool. Article. 0:10:01.160 --> 0:10:03.920 Are you helping Michigan at all find their head coach? 0:10:05.240 --> 0:10:10.160 No, I'm not. All focuses on the Dallas Cowboys. 0:10:10.840 --> 0:10:14.120 Well, congrats on the win, and uh, good luck against 0:10:14.200 --> 0:10:17.160 Dallas and then you host Houston, then you're at Denver. 0:10:17.480 --> 0:10:19.640 Who's the best team you face? You talked about Dallas 0:10:19.679 --> 0:10:21.880 will be the best offense. Who's the best team? 0:10:22.000 --> 0:10:25.040 So we played definitely uh that we played in a while. 0:10:27.440 --> 0:10:30.439 You know, right, the team that you know stands out, uh, 0:10:30.600 --> 0:10:32.839 you know the ones that that. 0:10:34.440 --> 0:10:35.560 That got the best of us. 0:10:35.600 --> 0:10:41.439 But these last two games Chiefs Eagles, I mean football 0:10:41.520 --> 0:10:45.080 at uh, at at the highest level. You know, that's 0:10:45.120 --> 0:10:48.679 been and I think it's I think it's I think 0:10:48.679 --> 0:10:51.439 it's made us keener and sharper and finer too to 0:10:51.480 --> 0:10:52.640 go through those two games. 0:10:52.679 --> 0:10:55.720 And uh, and we expect the same challenge this week. 0:10:56.080 --> 0:10:57.240 Do you want to play in the snow? 0:10:59.120 --> 0:11:02.840 I prefer the snow then, Uh, then thirty five or 0:11:02.840 --> 0:11:06.000 thirty three in rain? So uh, as soon as as 0:11:06.000 --> 0:11:09.640 soon as the temperature goes below thirty, I know it's 0:11:09.679 --> 0:11:12.280 not going to rain, and uh, I prefer that. 0:11:13.600 --> 0:11:15.640 Uh. But you look at the doll like the Dolphins 0:11:15.640 --> 0:11:18.360 don't win games under forty degrees? Like what how does 0:11:18.400 --> 0:11:19.679 that im? 0:11:19.720 --> 0:11:19.800 Like? 0:11:19.840 --> 0:11:22.600 There are guys that aren't from Miami, but you know 0:11:22.679 --> 0:11:24.680 they don't win in cold weather. Why is that? 0:11:27.400 --> 0:11:31.280 Uh? That's that's a that's something I can't. I can't. 0:11:31.320 --> 0:11:34.480 I am kind of an expert at uh growing up 0:11:34.520 --> 0:11:37.160 in uh the Midwest and. 0:11:38.200 --> 0:11:41.079 In Michigan, Ohio, chicag playing in Chicago. 0:11:41.640 --> 0:11:42.120 Uh. 0:11:42.320 --> 0:11:45.200 You know, it's it's really a function of like my 0:11:45.280 --> 0:11:47.600 dad used to tell us when we were kids. He'd say, 0:11:47.920 --> 0:11:52.800 you you you, yeah, get out of the house, Dan, 0:11:52.880 --> 0:11:56.120 it's cold out there. Get your feet moving and keep 0:11:56.120 --> 0:11:59.200 it moving. You'd walk out and then the click of 0:11:59.240 --> 0:12:01.120 the door would click behind you. 0:12:01.240 --> 0:12:02.840 Uh wait they locked the door. 0:12:03.840 --> 0:12:07.360 Yeah, you hear the click. Okay, we're our feet moving 0:12:07.360 --> 0:12:10.880 and keep it moving. But that's that's that's the secret. 0:12:10.960 --> 0:12:11.640 That's the answer. 0:12:11.800 --> 0:12:14.480 The the you become your body becomes like a human 0:12:14.520 --> 0:12:18.920 hot tub because your your your heart is pumping warm, 0:12:19.160 --> 0:12:22.600 hot blood, especially when you're young, and you know that 0:12:22.640 --> 0:12:27.920 goes from the the heart to the arteries, to the capitillaries, 0:12:28.000 --> 0:12:30.720 to the to the tissue and it's you know, the 0:12:30.720 --> 0:12:33.679 more muscle you got, that's the more uh, that's the 0:12:33.679 --> 0:12:35.840 more uh. 0:12:35.000 --> 0:12:36.240 Insulation that you have. 0:12:37.360 --> 0:12:39.880 High school anatomy tells me it goes back back to 0:12:39.960 --> 0:12:44.040 the lungs and reactioninates and it just keeps keeps falling 0:12:44.080 --> 0:12:46.120 like so you just you just keep moving and then 0:12:46.120 --> 0:12:47.760 when you're not playing, you go to the go to 0:12:47.800 --> 0:12:50.400 the sideline, get by that that heater in that warm bench. 0:12:50.960 --> 0:12:54.320 Who had it better than you did in cool weather? 0:12:54.360 --> 0:12:57.520 I mean a lot of experience there, nobody. 0:12:57.040 --> 0:12:59.760 Dan, There you go, there you go. 0:13:00.040 --> 0:13:01.120 I know the answer to that one. 0:13:01.160 --> 0:13:04.320 I was worried. I was worried about you there. Thanks 0:13:04.360 --> 0:13:06.880 for joining us. Good luck against Dallas. Appreciate it, coach, 0:13:07.320 --> 0:13:11.680 Thank you Dan. That's Jim Harbaugh, second year's Charger's head 0:13:11.720 --> 0:13:14.240 coach and a Coach of the Year back in twenty 0:13:14.280 --> 0:13:18.480 eleven with the forty nine Ers. Yeah, you grew up 0:13:18.520 --> 0:13:21.680 in the Midwest, like that's just normal that you're playing. 0:13:21.880 --> 0:13:24.520 You know, even when you're growing up and you're playing 0:13:24.520 --> 0:13:26.880 in the backyard, you're playing in snow, or you'd have 0:13:26.920 --> 0:13:29.920 your turkey bowl, everybody's home for the holidays, and you'd 0:13:29.960 --> 0:13:33.560 be playing cold weather. And it's weird when you go 0:13:33.640 --> 0:13:36.040 to a cold weather state. You know, when I go 0:13:36.080 --> 0:13:38.839 to Maine, I always say to my kids, don't say 0:13:38.880 --> 0:13:42.640 it's cold. You know it's cold, so don't say it. 0:13:44.080 --> 0:13:46.600 And so now they're conditioned. I don't want to hear it. 0:13:47.480 --> 0:13:50.440 If you're coming up this time of the year, it's 0:13:50.440 --> 0:13:53.280 going to be cold, you might say it's not as 0:13:53.320 --> 0:13:57.560 cold as I thought. You can be surprised when it's 0:13:57.679 --> 0:14:00.960 not cold. But I don't want to hear it's so cold. 0:14:01.520 --> 0:14:06.280 Why did you come up? All right, it's cold in Connecticut, Yeah, 0:14:06.320 --> 0:14:07.679 but it's really cold in main. 0:14:09.000 --> 0:14:09.400 Soft. 0:14:11.200 --> 0:14:14.080 I'm closed the door and lock the door and go 0:14:14.240 --> 0:14:18.000 out there. Get your feet, get those capillaries. Get he 0:14:18.080 --> 0:14:23.760 went through the whole body, didn't held the whole nervous 0:14:23.800 --> 0:14:27.880 system there. All right, we'll take a break. 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I just wondered, how 0:15:43.640 --> 0:15:46.880 much damage do you think it would do to the 0:15:47.000 --> 0:15:51.080 program if they just waited to hire a head coach. 0:15:51.600 --> 0:15:58.320 Let Pogi run it and finish the investigation and get 0:15:58.320 --> 0:16:01.120 into president and go from there. What do you think 0:16:01.160 --> 0:16:01.640 about that? 0:16:01.800 --> 0:16:06.760 I don't think it's a crazy opinion, because there's a 0:16:06.760 --> 0:16:10.040 lot to navigate here, And maybe if you're just going 0:16:10.080 --> 0:16:13.320 to leave an interim coach in there and then next year, 0:16:13.960 --> 0:16:17.400 you know, maybe it'll be more attractive job post cleanup. 0:16:17.480 --> 0:16:20.240 Can you keep the players there? That would be the key, 0:16:20.680 --> 0:16:22.120 And then you're going to have a lot of other 0:16:22.640 --> 0:16:26.760 candidates because right now the coaching carousel isn't moving, and 0:16:26.840 --> 0:16:28.880 maybe you're gonna have to target somebody who's in the 0:16:29.080 --> 0:16:32.080 playoffs right now, depending on how far they go in 0:16:32.120 --> 0:16:35.520 the playoffs. So do you wait until the playoffs are 0:16:35.520 --> 0:16:39.200 over or do you maybe wait until next season. We'll 0:16:39.240 --> 0:16:40.960 get some more phone calls eight seven to seven to 0:16:40.960 --> 0:16:44.720 three DP show. He's Joe Thomas, Hall of Famer joining 0:16:44.800 --> 0:16:47.120 us on the program. Good to see you again. We've 0:16:47.160 --> 0:16:50.080 been talking about the playing surfaces and the fact that 0:16:50.160 --> 0:16:52.880 yesterday the NFL says, hey, we're going to conduct another 0:16:52.960 --> 0:16:58.520 study here on the playing surfaces. Why are we here 0:16:58.800 --> 0:17:02.720 where we can't have a universe playing field up you know, 0:17:02.800 --> 0:17:07.440 surface is either ast turf or regular turf. And why 0:17:07.440 --> 0:17:09.399 did it take maybe injuries to a couple of more 0:17:09.440 --> 0:17:13.159 key players before we all of a sudden have everybody's attention. 0:17:14.880 --> 0:17:17.080 Well, it just comes back to the fact that the 0:17:17.119 --> 0:17:20.280 owners didn't want to all agree to spend the money 0:17:20.720 --> 0:17:23.520 to invest in the fields because you got teams like 0:17:23.600 --> 0:17:26.159 the Cincinnati Bengals. They don't want to even pay to 0:17:26.240 --> 0:17:29.040 get the snow removed from the seats of the fans, 0:17:29.240 --> 0:17:32.040 so they're saving every dime they poss we can, Whereas 0:17:32.080 --> 0:17:33.879 you have some teams that are willing to spend the 0:17:33.920 --> 0:17:36.400 money on player safety. I think it was the Baltimore 0:17:36.480 --> 0:17:39.240 Ravens a few years ago. They realized that, hey, turf fields, 0:17:39.400 --> 0:17:42.359 they're not good for players' bodies, and the people that 0:17:42.400 --> 0:17:44.600 suffer the most are our own players because they play 0:17:44.600 --> 0:17:47.720 the most games in our home stadium. So let's make 0:17:47.720 --> 0:17:50.280 this the best surface we possibly can that's going to 0:17:50.280 --> 0:17:54.600 reduce the most injuries possible and keep that consistent and uniform. 0:17:54.600 --> 0:17:56.160 And so I think it's just a matter of those 0:17:56.560 --> 0:17:59.800 NFL owners haven't all been able to agree on what 0:17:59.840 --> 0:18:03.040 it takes to get that consistency, and the union really 0:18:03.119 --> 0:18:06.040 just doesn't have enough power to be able to force 0:18:06.119 --> 0:18:07.080 the hands of the owners. 0:18:07.680 --> 0:18:09.800 Worst playing surface you ever played on? 0:18:11.480 --> 0:18:14.760 Well, I hated playing in Cincinnati on their old turf 0:18:14.800 --> 0:18:17.240 because of how hard it was. I mean just standing 0:18:17.280 --> 0:18:18.840 on that, I could feel it in my back and 0:18:18.920 --> 0:18:23.960 my knees. But I would say playing in Soldier Field, 0:18:24.160 --> 0:18:26.080 like at the end of the year, or playing in 0:18:26.359 --> 0:18:28.479 the old Heinz Field when they used to I think 0:18:28.520 --> 0:18:30.920 they still maybe do play like the high school championships there. 0:18:30.960 --> 0:18:33.520 They played pitt on Saturdays and the thing is just 0:18:33.600 --> 0:18:35.840 a mud pit by the end of the season, and 0:18:35.920 --> 0:18:39.359 so there is no consistency at all with your footing. 0:18:39.400 --> 0:18:41.720 But I'm not a fast guy as it is, so hey, 0:18:41.760 --> 0:18:43.720 I was happy that everyone was a little bit slower 0:18:43.760 --> 0:18:45.240 and we were all a little bit more at the 0:18:45.240 --> 0:18:48.920 same speed when we played in those really greasy, nasty tracks. 0:18:49.560 --> 0:18:52.240 As a Hall of Fame lineman, how would you put 0:18:52.280 --> 0:18:55.320 into perspective what Miles Garrett is on the verge of 0:18:55.359 --> 0:18:57.200 doing setting the all time sack record. 0:18:58.720 --> 0:19:03.040 So until my I don't ever remember watching an NFL 0:19:03.119 --> 0:19:06.240 defensive lineman from my college days, all the way through 0:19:06.280 --> 0:19:07.760 the days that I was playing, and now as a 0:19:07.800 --> 0:19:13.160 fan where I said, I'm watching him, Eh, I don't 0:19:13.200 --> 0:19:16.080 think that I can block him more than my fair 0:19:16.119 --> 0:19:18.240 share when I'm at my best. And that's what I 0:19:18.280 --> 0:19:20.359 say about Miles when I watch him. I played against 0:19:20.400 --> 0:19:21.760 him when he was a rookie and I was in 0:19:21.800 --> 0:19:24.480 my last season and I barely had a chance to 0:19:24.520 --> 0:19:26.239 try to block him and get a glove on him then, 0:19:26.520 --> 0:19:28.760 and he's like thirty forty percent better than he was 0:19:28.840 --> 0:19:31.760 at that time, And so I watch him and I say, 0:19:32.080 --> 0:19:33.960 I don't know how I would have been able to 0:19:33.960 --> 0:19:36.080 block him when on one and I think that's the 0:19:36.119 --> 0:19:39.320 mentality that a lot of offenses, basically every offense that 0:19:39.359 --> 0:19:42.520 he's gone against this season has said, because nobody's blocking 0:19:42.560 --> 0:19:44.600 him one on one. Even the best tackles in the 0:19:44.640 --> 0:19:47.040 game right now are not allowed to go against him 0:19:47.040 --> 0:19:49.480 one on one because he is so dominant. 0:19:49.600 --> 0:19:50.439 There's nobody in. 0:19:50.440 --> 0:19:53.000 The game that can block him consistently throughout the course 0:19:53.040 --> 0:19:54.320 of an entire game. 0:19:54.520 --> 0:19:57.640 How surprised were you that he kind of took back 0:19:57.680 --> 0:20:00.520 the trade request when the Browns were to make him 0:20:00.560 --> 0:20:02.119 the highest paid defensive player. 0:20:03.320 --> 0:20:05.960 I was really surprised because I'd talked to him throughout 0:20:06.080 --> 0:20:09.880 that the course of the hold out, where he said 0:20:09.880 --> 0:20:12.440 he's not coming back and it doesn't matter. He's all 0:20:12.480 --> 0:20:15.359 about trying to win championships. And you know, I go 0:20:15.440 --> 0:20:18.679 on the radio a lot in Cleveland especially, and you know, 0:20:18.760 --> 0:20:20.520 I want to make sure that if I'm saying something, 0:20:20.880 --> 0:20:23.760 you know, it aligns with what he's thinking and what 0:20:24.080 --> 0:20:28.000 you know he is trying to get done, because I 0:20:28.000 --> 0:20:29.800 want to make sure that this is true what I'm 0:20:29.800 --> 0:20:32.000 saying about him. And you know, he was telling me 0:20:32.040 --> 0:20:34.439 that it doesn't matter what the money is. You know, 0:20:34.480 --> 0:20:39.040 he's frustrated, he's ready to leave and unless something drastically 0:20:39.119 --> 0:20:42.000 changes from the vision that they have, he was not 0:20:42.280 --> 0:20:45.119 really ready to come back. And of course they decided 0:20:45.119 --> 0:20:48.280 to make him the highest paid defensive player, which was 0:20:48.320 --> 0:20:50.080 surpassed by Michael Parsons later on. 0:20:50.440 --> 0:20:53.040 But the vision didn't change Joe. This is not a 0:20:53.080 --> 0:20:56.480 good team. He's not winning anything anytime soon, and maybe 0:20:56.960 --> 0:20:57.840 not in his career. 0:20:59.280 --> 0:21:01.480 Yeah, I agree. So I'm trying to tell you that 0:21:01.800 --> 0:21:04.879 they must have said something in their little witch's brew 0:21:05.160 --> 0:21:08.760 that they had going on before they gave him that drink. 0:21:08.920 --> 0:21:12.359 I think they just said, how does forty million dollars feel? 0:21:12.600 --> 0:21:15.680 We're not gonna win anything? Forty million dollars, all right? 0:21:15.720 --> 0:21:17.080 You know what, I don't need to win. 0:21:18.200 --> 0:21:20.240 I think it was partly that, but I do think 0:21:20.320 --> 0:21:24.159 that they had convinced them of some vision that was 0:21:24.200 --> 0:21:27.800