1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:04,960 Speaker 1: Hey, dear, let you know USA listener, it's Maria. So 2 00:00:05,080 --> 00:00:08,360 Speaker 1: today we're featuring a new podcast from our friends over 3 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:14,160 Speaker 1: at LAist Studios. It's called Imperfect Paradise The Forgotten Revolutionary 4 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:18,880 Speaker 1: and it tells the story of activist Oscar Gomez. So 5 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:22,479 Speaker 1: in this series, you're going to learn more about the 6 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:27,320 Speaker 1: Chicano student rights movement of the nineteen nineties and about 7 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:31,320 Speaker 1: the investigative reporting behind the death of Oscar Gomez, who 8 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:35,840 Speaker 1: was a leader of that movement. And so now I'm 9 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:39,400 Speaker 1: going to turn it over to host Adolfo Guzman Lopez, 10 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:44,280 Speaker 1: and remember to subscribe to Imperfect Paradise wherever you get 11 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:48,879 Speaker 1: your podcasts. And also a little warning there are descriptions 12 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:53,280 Speaker 1: of violent death in this episode. And for now, here's 13 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 1: episode one of Imperfect Paradise The Forgotten Revolutionary from LAist Studios. 14 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 2: There's just one photograph I've been able to find of 15 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:08,919 Speaker 2: me and Oscar Gomez. It's from the day we met 16 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:14,039 Speaker 2: at a Chicano's student protest in downtown Santa Barbara, February one, 17 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:20,560 Speaker 2: nineteen ninety two. There's Oscar in the center of the picture, 18 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:26,240 Speaker 2: tall and determined in his black beanie eyes, focused holding 19 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:31,200 Speaker 2: his large cassette recorder. It's silver microphone raised like a hammer, 20 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:37,319 Speaker 2: and I almost missed it. But I'm there too. On 21 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:39,959 Speaker 2: the photo's left edge, I make out the sleeve of 22 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 2: my white Sabata T shirt that indigenous best I bought 23 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:48,240 Speaker 2: in Mexico City, and my Levi's fiber Once I'm barely 24 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:51,560 Speaker 2: in the picture, it's so telling of that day that 25 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 2: it's Oscar. 26 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 3: Who's fully within the frame. 27 00:01:57,440 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 2: Oscar was on his way to being a popular college 28 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 2: radio DJ and an incredibly influential student activist. He certainly 29 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 2: changed my life, but that would come much later. That day, 30 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:13,799 Speaker 2: he and I barely said more than a few words 31 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 2: to each other. Now I wish I'd said more. I 32 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 2: just remember him as intimidating. The clothes said Cholo, the 33 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 2: body said Jock, and me in my carefully considered, warned 34 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 2: rim glasses and embroidered vest I. 35 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:35,240 Speaker 3: Was neither of those. 36 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:41,120 Speaker 2: I was holding on to so many secrets, so much insecurity, 37 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 2: and there was Oscar, with his confidence, the golden boy 38 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 2: energy of the high school football star. 39 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 3: I was put off. 40 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:54,399 Speaker 2: I didn't grow up knowing any Mexican American kids like that. 41 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 4: Down of Islam. 42 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 5: This is like one that. 43 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:11,959 Speaker 2: Oscar hosted La Onda Chicana, a college radio show out 44 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:12,959 Speaker 2: of UC Davis. 45 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 3: The early nineteen nineties were in. 46 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:26,240 Speaker 2: A specially xenophobic time in California politics. Oscar focused the 47 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:30,799 Speaker 2: show on Mexican American empowerment. Oscar was on the airwaves 48 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 2: talking education, culture, and Chicano's self determination. The challenge will 49 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:41,160 Speaker 2: goes on rasa little Chesquela, make sure and question the 50 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 2: history that you've been taught, because a lot of times 51 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 2: you know that George Washington is not your father. 52 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:46,760 Speaker 3: What are these people scared. 53 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 6: Of that Terrasa is going to get educated, They're going to. 54 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 7: Be able to go back and empower the communities. 55 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 5: It's something that we got to ask ourselves, Rassa, and 56 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 5: something that we must inntinue to ask ourselves. 57 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 3: Because La Lucha Quante. 58 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 2: Oscar traveled to protests and conferences up and down California 59 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:09,800 Speaker 2: and outside the state. He recorded what he saw the 60 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:13,560 Speaker 2: people he met to broadcast to his audience. He gave 61 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 2: a radio platform to young Chicano rappers, connected listeners to 62 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:22,680 Speaker 2: indigenous thought, and tutored public school kids. He made being 63 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:28,839 Speaker 2: Chicano sound fun and exciting. In nineteen ninety three, the 64 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:33,160 Speaker 2: Mexican American labor leader Caesar Chives died, and without him 65 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 2: there was a leadership void. And here came a long Oscar, 66 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:44,360 Speaker 2: a young, handsome, charismatic, politically engaged college student, uninspiring radio 67 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:48,360 Speaker 2: host and activist at just twenty one years old. 68 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:52,839 Speaker 5: And I just remember tuning in to the campus radio 69 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:58,799 Speaker 5: station and having that connection without physically being there. 70 00:04:59,040 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 6: He was fire. 71 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 3: He is Arma incarnate. All the girls, married with a 72 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 3: boyfriend or. 73 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:11,120 Speaker 8: Single, everyone had a crush on him. 74 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:14,480 Speaker 2: He knew that this government is not for us and 75 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 2: that we needed to take action. 76 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, he would have. 77 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:23,240 Speaker 8: Been someone that people should follow, someone if I could 78 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 8: walk alongside just a jobs, you know. 79 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 2: Two and a half years after that Santa Barbara rally, 80 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:38,479 Speaker 2: two and a half years after that photo of the 81 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 2: two of us was taken, I would be out of 82 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 2: college and freelancing for weekly newspapers, on my way to 83 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:57,560 Speaker 2: a public radio career, and Oscar Oscar was dead. I'm 84 00:05:57,560 --> 00:06:02,600 Speaker 2: at four, Gusmanlopez, and this is in perfect paradise this season. 85 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:08,880 Speaker 2: Oscar Gomez, the forgotten Revolutionary. 86 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:40,360 Speaker 7: The body of twenty one year old Oscar Gomez was 87 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:42,799 Speaker 7: discovered at the bottom of a cliff near the UCSB 88 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 7: campus last November. The Sheriff's Department says Gomez was drunk 89 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 7: and hit his head on the rock after falling off 90 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 7: the cliff. 91 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:53,479 Speaker 2: Oscar had been at a protest in Santa Barbara on 92 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:57,480 Speaker 2: November sixteenth, nineteen ninety four. He was last seen at 93 00:06:57,480 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 2: a college party that evening around nine. Early the next afternoon, 94 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:06,159 Speaker 2: a passerby spotted Oscar at the edge of the surf, 95 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 2: covered in seaweed, with the upper part of a skull 96 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 2: smashed in. The coroner would find sand in Oscar's upper 97 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 2: and lower airwaves, no broken bones. He died from cranio 98 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 2: cerebral trauma. It would take law enforcement fourteen hours to 99 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 2: break the news to Oscar's family. The Santa Barbara Sheriff's 100 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:33,360 Speaker 2: Office initially investigated Oscar's death as a homicide. Deputies walked 101 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 2: along the shore next to the fifty foot cliffs where 102 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:43,320 Speaker 2: Oscar was last seen and interviewed people nearby, but after 103 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 2: just twelve days, the Sheriff's department closed the case, listing 104 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 2: the manner of death as undetermined. According to the sheriff 105 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:55,240 Speaker 2: coroner's report, they never found a single witness to his 106 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 2: final hours never found where he fell, if he fell 107 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 2: at all. Their theory that the death was an accident. 108 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 2: Their report references Oscar's blood alcohol level when he died 109 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 2: zero point one point eight percent, but Oscar's father did 110 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 2: not believe it. 111 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:19,000 Speaker 4: We think somebody killed my son. 112 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 7: Gome has died of massive head wounds, but his family 113 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:25,160 Speaker 7: doesn't believe he got them from falling off a cliff. Today, 114 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:27,960 Speaker 7: his friends and family urged the sheriff's department to reopen 115 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:31,160 Speaker 7: the investigation into his death, but the sheriff's department says 116 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 7: the case will stay closed unless it significantly develops. 117 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:38,959 Speaker 2: It's been twenty eight years and the case has stayed 118 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:42,720 Speaker 2: closed twenty eight years, and many of Oscar's family and 119 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 2: friends still believe he was murdered. They rallied around the 120 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:52,840 Speaker 2: phrase houstisia padou oscat Justice for Oscar. Oscar's father sued 121 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:55,840 Speaker 2: the Santa Barbara Sheriff's Office, the county, and the University 122 00:08:55,880 --> 00:09:01,480 Speaker 2: of California Santa Barbara. Friends and family revisited rerecs, protested, 123 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 2: tried to find the last people to have seen Oscar alive. 124 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 2: They still honor Oscar every year with a college scholarship 125 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:12,080 Speaker 2: for students in his hometown. 126 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:16,400 Speaker 3: And me, to be fully honest. 127 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 2: I packed away that whole chapter of my life, the 128 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 2: part associated with being a Chicano activist. I stopped marching 129 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 2: and I stopped protesting. I became a reporter in California's 130 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:37,200 Speaker 2: largest public radio newsroom and found mainstream success. But one 131 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:41,400 Speaker 2: person would not let me go of Oscar completely. Oscar's 132 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 2: best friend, Juan Gonzalez. 133 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:50,960 Speaker 3: What's a date today, Kuan? And why is it important? Well? 134 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:53,959 Speaker 8: Today is in marks, you know, the twenty seventh year 135 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:57,960 Speaker 8: exactly that we were notified that Oscar had passed into 136 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:04,040 Speaker 8: the other world. And today's November seventeenth, twenty twenty one. 137 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 8: And like I said, it's about no after four thirty 138 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:10,960 Speaker 8: and we're here. Just remember Oscar. I come by probably 139 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:12,920 Speaker 8: about four to six times a year. 140 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 2: I meet Juan at Oscar's grave at Resurrection Cemetery. It's 141 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:20,960 Speaker 2: a Catholic cemetery about half an hour east of downtown LA. 142 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:24,200 Speaker 2: I saw Juan a lot in the early nineteen nineties. 143 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:27,400 Speaker 2: We both went to college in San Diego, and we 144 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 2: ran into each other at Chicano activist meetings where we 145 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:33,680 Speaker 2: greet each other with a Chicano handshake, you know the 146 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:39,400 Speaker 2: four parts regular handshake, to diagonal handshake, to fingers curling 147 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 2: into each other, and a fifth bump to close it off. 148 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 2: Juan calls me cardinal brother from another mother. Juan did 149 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 2: and I catch up every few years, and every time 150 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:55,040 Speaker 2: he asked me to use my public radio platform to 151 00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 2: investigate Oscar's death. 152 00:10:57,640 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 8: There's probably like tenth aories out there that could have happened. 153 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 8: And I look at the questions that someone has to ask. 154 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:09,439 Speaker 2: The thing you have to understand is I was the 155 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:13,800 Speaker 2: first Latino reporter at Southern California Public Radio. I had 156 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 2: face complaints about signing off with the Spanish pronunciation of 157 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:21,000 Speaker 2: my name. I wasn't about to undermine myself as a 158 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:25,880 Speaker 2: reporter by revealing my activist past. I had enough of 159 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:29,960 Speaker 2: a target on my back. But Juan kept coming back 160 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:32,960 Speaker 2: to me. He told me I had a lot in 161 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 2: common with Oscar. 162 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 8: I always remember you as a Chicano with a notebook, 163 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 8: pad and a pencil. 164 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:42,200 Speaker 2: I tell Juan about the photograph I found of Oscar 165 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 2: and me at the nineteen ninety two Santa Barbara rally. 166 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:48,120 Speaker 8: That's the first time I introduced to you guys. Actually 167 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 8: and a lot of times. You're just so busy. I 168 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 8: introduced you guys at least a half a dozen times, 169 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:55,720 Speaker 8: because you guys are like doing news about chicanos mean 170 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:58,079 Speaker 8: and I told osher, this is Adolpho. He's one of 171 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 8: my He's one of my you know, uh see your Michistas, 172 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 8: you know, teaching me the ropes out there. And yeah, 173 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:06,360 Speaker 8: of course you guys don't know who each other were. 174 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:08,240 Speaker 8: But I want you guys in the years to know 175 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:10,240 Speaker 8: and maybe work together someday. 176 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 3: I never got to work with Oscar. Back then. 177 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:22,920 Speaker 2: I barely said hello, mainly because of my own insecurities. 178 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:26,680 Speaker 2: I was still unsure of my place in the movement, 179 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 2: and for decades after his death, I was reluctant to 180 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:33,679 Speaker 2: go anywhere near his story. 181 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:37,000 Speaker 3: But then something happened. 182 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:41,120 Speaker 2: That rattled me free of those reservations and brought me 183 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:57,320 Speaker 2: back to Oscar. That's after the break. My road back 184 00:12:57,360 --> 00:13:01,959 Speaker 2: to Oscar was a two step process. First, in twenty nineteen, 185 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:06,200 Speaker 2: I did finally give in to Juan Gonzalez's suggestions that 186 00:13:06,280 --> 00:13:10,760 Speaker 2: I report on Oscar Gomez a little bit. I was 187 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 2: covering higher education for KPCC when Juan called me to 188 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:17,840 Speaker 2: tell me that UC Davis would be awarding Oscar a 189 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:23,200 Speaker 2: posthumous degree. Uh huh, I thought that was something that. 190 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:24,559 Speaker 3: Fit in my beat. 191 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:29,720 Speaker 2: Here's my report from that time, Sepe that made the 192 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:32,640 Speaker 2: case that Gomez helped students graduate. When she petitioned that 193 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:36,880 Speaker 2: UC Davis grant him a posthumous bachelor's degree. The university 194 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:40,199 Speaker 2: reviewed the request and approved it. In March, Gomis's father, 195 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:44,280 Speaker 2: Oscar Senior, says he imagines holding the degree, which represents 196 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 2: his son's hard work. 197 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:47,600 Speaker 3: I'm Adolf Gusmannopez. 198 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 2: But what I still didn't say in the story is 199 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:55,760 Speaker 2: that I had also been a Chicano student activist. I 200 00:13:55,840 --> 00:13:59,080 Speaker 2: believe that journalists are supposed to be out of the 201 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:03,720 Speaker 2: frame observed from the sidelines. The story got a lot 202 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:06,800 Speaker 2: of traction, and my editor encouraged me to pitch it 203 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:11,000 Speaker 2: as a longer project. Still, the idea of revisiting that 204 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:15,080 Speaker 2: time in my life made me nervous. And then a 205 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:18,080 Speaker 2: year later, the newsroom assigned me to cover the George 206 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 2: Floyd protest happening in Long Beach. I've covered plenty of marches. 207 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:28,280 Speaker 2: I knew to pack granola bars and wear hard clothed 208 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:31,040 Speaker 2: toed shoes in case I got stepped on. I grabbed 209 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:34,080 Speaker 2: my recorder, put my press pass around my neck and 210 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 2: drove over to Third and Pine in Long Beach. I 211 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:43,240 Speaker 2: followed protesters their chance, their anger into the thick of 212 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:49,360 Speaker 2: the crowd. There was a line of police officers, protesters 213 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 2: yelling into their faces. 214 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 3: Away from that. 215 00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:56,240 Speaker 2: Yards from the intersection, I saw a black man who 216 00:14:56,240 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 2: was kneeling, and I crouched with him. 217 00:14:58,560 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 3: What are you doing? 218 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:01,920 Speaker 7: Ah, just people protesting. 219 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:07,560 Speaker 2: It's gotten tense here, right, it might not end up peaceful, yeah, but. 220 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:08,800 Speaker 3: I mean that's how it is. 221 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:10,520 Speaker 7: But I mean I'm doing I'm having a piece of 222 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:13,480 Speaker 7: thirstests on my ends. Whoever was acting crazy, man, that's 223 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 7: on them. 224 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:16,160 Speaker 8: But again, we're trying to having people protests out here. 225 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 3: Done crazy, But until your timepiate. Yeah. 226 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:22,560 Speaker 2: We stood up and I turned the recorder off and 227 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:26,840 Speaker 2: started writing down the man's knee and then I heard 228 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 2: a pot and I felt a sudden impact at the 229 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:32,920 Speaker 2: bottom of my neck. I brought my hand to my throat. 230 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:36,120 Speaker 2: My fingers came back covered in blood. 231 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 6: Adolpho Guzman Lopez, KPCC reporter was at the protest in 232 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:44,480 Speaker 6: Long Beach. First of all, Adolpho, how are you doing 233 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:47,080 Speaker 6: after getting hit in the neck with the projectile. 234 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 9: Yeah, I got hit by a rubber bullet at third 235 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 9: and Pine. I had been there and I'm okay, I'm breathing. 236 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:57,280 Speaker 9: So here's a sequence of events, Filarry Good. 237 00:15:57,640 --> 00:16:00,360 Speaker 2: I went on air with kpcc's Larry Mantle a couple 238 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:03,160 Speaker 2: of hours after it happened. It had been a foam 239 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:07,680 Speaker 2: round fired by a Long Beach police officer. I count 240 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:11,640 Speaker 2: my blessings that the injury wasn't worse. Police would later 241 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:15,000 Speaker 2: say the round that hit me was intended for someone else, 242 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:18,720 Speaker 2: but at the time I was just overwhelmed. 243 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:20,800 Speaker 9: But you know, it hit me. 244 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:25,600 Speaker 6: Boy Udolpho, I'm just so sorry that this happened. 245 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:27,760 Speaker 9: What upsets me is I was trying to take care 246 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:30,640 Speaker 9: of myself. I've been I've been in these kinds of situations. 247 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:34,120 Speaker 9: I've covered protests with, you know, with police officers in 248 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:38,400 Speaker 9: Riota Gear. I was trying to be very aware and 249 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:42,800 Speaker 9: not being close to the police line. And like I 250 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:45,560 Speaker 9: told you, it upsets me. The sequence of events. It 251 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:49,840 Speaker 9: was only after I was obviously interviewing somebody. 252 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:55,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, May twenty twenty changed me. I'd like to say 253 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:58,200 Speaker 2: that it was being injured while reporting that did it, 254 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:01,760 Speaker 2: or that I suddenly saw how I was inherently part 255 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:05,880 Speaker 2: of a larger political struggle. But really it was the 256 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:10,600 Speaker 2: physical impact that rattled me. It dislodged fillings in my teeth. 257 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:13,960 Speaker 2: For a week, I wore a gaze bandage the size 258 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:16,960 Speaker 2: of a credit card over my neck. I stayed home 259 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:21,679 Speaker 2: for two months. I had to put myself back together again, 260 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:25,400 Speaker 2: and I realized that some of the things I'd been 261 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:31,639 Speaker 2: holding on to I didn't need anymore, like the impulse 262 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:35,200 Speaker 2: to hold back to hide parts of myself. 263 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:38,400 Speaker 6: Dolph, I know this is very fresh and you're probably 264 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:41,639 Speaker 6: still in pain from this, but I assume you're going 265 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:45,200 Speaker 6: to be following up with this, and your news organization 266 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:45,800 Speaker 6: will too. 267 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:49,199 Speaker 9: I appreciate that, Larry, and I appreciate you having me on. 268 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:51,359 Speaker 9: And you know, I don't like to be the center 269 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:52,879 Speaker 9: of the story. I don't like to be the story. 270 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:56,439 Speaker 9: But I didn't make me the I didn't make me 271 00:17:56,520 --> 00:18:00,120 Speaker 9: the story. 272 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:05,600 Speaker 2: Growing up Mexican in California at the end of the 273 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:10,000 Speaker 2: twentieth century, I'd spent most of my life feeling targeted 274 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:15,879 Speaker 2: by anti immigrant politicians and policies, by campaigns to label 275 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:20,119 Speaker 2: people like me as less than human. The badge of 276 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:24,240 Speaker 2: public radio reporter put a distance between me and all 277 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:28,159 Speaker 2: of that. I could report on Mexican American topics, but 278 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:32,040 Speaker 2: I always had a sense of remove. I had kept 279 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:37,240 Speaker 2: the Mexican and immigrant compartments of me firmly closed to 280 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:42,720 Speaker 2: most people, but that Foam round shook something in me. 281 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:46,800 Speaker 2: I didn't want to close parts of myself off anymore. 282 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:51,800 Speaker 2: Why should I care if people complain about how I 283 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:54,560 Speaker 2: pronounced my name, And why should I care if people 284 00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:57,639 Speaker 2: know that I was a Chicano activist, not just a 285 00:18:57,680 --> 00:19:02,399 Speaker 2: Mexican American, but a politicized Mexican American. I think it 286 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:05,480 Speaker 2: was something a lot of reporters of color were going 287 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:09,560 Speaker 2: through after May twenty twenty for their own reasons. But 288 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:12,760 Speaker 2: suddenly I didn't have a reason to say no to 289 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 2: my friend Juan anymore. I could try to find out 290 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:18,200 Speaker 2: what happened to Oscar Gomez. 291 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:22,880 Speaker 3: So that's what I'm going to do. 292 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:27,480 Speaker 2: I'm taking on Oscar's story, and this time it's not 293 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:30,479 Speaker 2: going to be a three minute newscast feature, but a 294 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:35,159 Speaker 2: full fledged project, which means diving straight back into the 295 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:39,240 Speaker 2: early nineteen nineties Chicano student movement and my own part 296 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:50,479 Speaker 2: in it. I'm moving my history into the frame. If 297 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:53,040 Speaker 2: I'm going to find out what happened to Oscar, I 298 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:55,600 Speaker 2: need to talk to the one person who's spent the 299 00:19:55,720 --> 00:20:00,719 Speaker 2: most time trying to get answers, Oscar's dad, Oscar Gomes. 300 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:03,240 Speaker 2: When I reach him on his cell he says he's 301 00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:06,879 Speaker 2: excited about my investigation, but he's also hesitant. 302 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:09,320 Speaker 3: He doesn't want our phone call recorded. 303 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:12,399 Speaker 2: He tells me that there's still a lot of pain 304 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:15,640 Speaker 2: and that he's been burned before by people who said 305 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:19,520 Speaker 2: they wanted to help. I can't do this investigation without 306 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:23,399 Speaker 2: the Gomez family. For one, families have rights to certain 307 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:27,200 Speaker 2: documents that the public doesn't. But also, it just wouldn't 308 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:29,840 Speaker 2: feel right to me to pursue this story if they 309 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:34,440 Speaker 2: didn't want me to. Finally, mister Gomez agrees to let 310 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:35,760 Speaker 2: me record an interview. 311 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:39,840 Speaker 3: Oh, it's just the beginning. This feels like a beginning. 312 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:44,920 Speaker 2: Producer Natalie Chanowsky and I meet him at his house. 313 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:48,359 Speaker 2: It's a cream colored one story on a corner lot 314 00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:54,480 Speaker 2: in Baldwin Park in La County. Mister Gomez greets me 315 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:59,960 Speaker 2: at the door. He's fully decked out in Dodger blue 316 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:06,280 Speaker 2: and so am I I don't wear that. Mister Gomez 317 00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:08,360 Speaker 2: is a tall man, though you can tell he used 318 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:11,560 Speaker 2: to be even taller. He has a deeply lined face 319 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:14,720 Speaker 2: and a white bottle brush mustache. He used to be 320 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:17,760 Speaker 2: a firefighter, so his family and friends sometimes call him Chief. 321 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:22,040 Speaker 2: Juan Gonzalez is already at the house, and Missus Gomez 322 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:25,320 Speaker 2: is around two. She's short and wears her dark brown 323 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:29,240 Speaker 2: hair and a bob. I feel her wariness, but she's 324 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:32,200 Speaker 2: polite and says hello, even though she doesn't want to 325 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:36,160 Speaker 2: be recorded. We all sit unfolding chairs in the front yard. 326 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:40,360 Speaker 2: Mister Gomez says they've lived in this house since nineteen 327 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:44,600 Speaker 2: seventy three. He points out six Italian cypress trees that 328 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:48,479 Speaker 2: he planted almost fifty years ago, one for each member 329 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:49,800 Speaker 2: of his family. 330 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:53,879 Speaker 4: With me, my wife, Askar, and Annie and. 331 00:21:57,119 --> 00:21:57,520 Speaker 3: Eddie. 332 00:21:57,680 --> 00:21:59,679 Speaker 2: Oscar's younger brother joins us a. 333 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:01,640 Speaker 3: Little, how's it going, Eddie? 334 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:05,480 Speaker 2: Seeing Eddie is a jolt, because he looks a lot 335 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:09,040 Speaker 2: like the photos of young Oscar, except Eddie got to 336 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:12,240 Speaker 2: grow to middle age. He says he loved growing up here. 337 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:15,280 Speaker 2: Their house was a magnet for the neighborhood kids. 338 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:19,159 Speaker 5: We all knew each other. We all played together like 339 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:23,040 Speaker 5: they were combothers with a couple of you know, my parents, 340 00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:25,679 Speaker 5: and it was a safe you know, that street light 341 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:27,280 Speaker 5: would come on and would be like time to go home. 342 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:30,040 Speaker 2: Missus Gomez chimes in that the grass in the front 343 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:33,520 Speaker 2: lawn was always dead because the neighborhood kids used it 344 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:36,880 Speaker 2: as a baseball diamond. She once counted as many as 345 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 2: seventeen kids buzzing around the front. 346 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:41,280 Speaker 5: But a lot of these kids growing up, they didn't 347 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:43,560 Speaker 5: have like what we had. I think that's why they 348 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:45,800 Speaker 5: enjoyed coming over here so much, because they saw like 349 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:47,680 Speaker 5: the love that my mom would give. And I think 350 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:50,520 Speaker 5: that's why because we kind of gave him that that love, 351 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:52,680 Speaker 5: that kind of what they were missing in their home. 352 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:56,159 Speaker 2: I asked mister Gomez to tell me a story about Oscar. 353 00:22:56,200 --> 00:23:00,440 Speaker 4: As a teenager, he started working real young. I work 354 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:03,600 Speaker 4: at Burger King, and his friends would go They knew 355 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:06,080 Speaker 4: that he was working there, so they would go in 356 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:10,680 Speaker 4: and he gave him all free hamburgers. Everybody showed up. Well, 357 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:13,280 Speaker 4: he didn't last long. He got fired, you know. 358 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:16,960 Speaker 2: So Missus Gomez gets up and heads into the house. 359 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:20,480 Speaker 2: A few minutes later, she comes back with a wooden plaque. 360 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:24,200 Speaker 2: Teenage Oscar is smiling at us in a sports coat 361 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:25,400 Speaker 2: and skinny tie. 362 00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:27,000 Speaker 3: Put Oscar over there. 363 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:31,160 Speaker 2: Above his picture, I read Baldwin Park High School Scholar 364 00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:35,080 Speaker 2: Athlete of the Year, and underneath Oscar is a list 365 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:38,320 Speaker 2: of his accomplishments Junior class president. 366 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:39,600 Speaker 3: Football, baseball. 367 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:44,000 Speaker 2: He was a wrestler too in high school. Oh my, 368 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:46,720 Speaker 2: they put the plaque on an empty chair next to me. 369 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:49,640 Speaker 2: It feels like Oscar's watching. 370 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:52,760 Speaker 4: Us, you know, at school. At school, he was always 371 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:57,160 Speaker 4: like like admired and and the teachers always liked him, 372 00:23:57,640 --> 00:23:59,320 Speaker 4: especially if he was sick. They would come here and 373 00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:02,080 Speaker 4: bring him his home work and and and they never 374 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:04,160 Speaker 4: did that for my other kids. 375 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:10,080 Speaker 2: Eventually, our conversation turns to why I'm here. The Gomez 376 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:15,240 Speaker 2: family already spent years, really painful years, trying to figure 377 00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:18,600 Speaker 2: out what happened to Oscar, and they've tried to move on. 378 00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:24,000 Speaker 2: Now I'm asking their permission to let me resume that investigation. 379 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:27,679 Speaker 2: Mister Gomez is honest about the toll those years of 380 00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:29,320 Speaker 2: searching took on the family. 381 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:32,120 Speaker 4: It was very it was it was a nightmare for us, 382 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:33,840 Speaker 4: our full family. It was a nightmare. 383 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:34,560 Speaker 3: It was terrible. 384 00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:38,920 Speaker 4: So anytime you can redo it again. And like you said, 385 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:43,280 Speaker 4: it's not not something that you're looking forward to doing. 386 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:46,119 Speaker 4: But like I said in the beginning, I'll do what 387 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:46,640 Speaker 4: I can. 388 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:49,679 Speaker 3: What is who's tis about? What's got to mean to 389 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:50,480 Speaker 3: you mister? 390 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:54,000 Speaker 4: For me, it means like number one is, he didn't 391 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:57,120 Speaker 4: get justice. He never has gotten a justice after this date. 392 00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:00,919 Speaker 4: There isn't the same kind of f are done to 393 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:05,960 Speaker 4: investigate kids that are unfortunately Chicano kids as other white 394 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:07,359 Speaker 4: kids that have money. 395 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:09,760 Speaker 2: We've got plans to go up to Sacramento, we got 396 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:12,920 Speaker 2: plans to talk to people in Santa Barbara. We want 397 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:16,960 Speaker 2: to talk to the Sheriff's department. We're going to talk to, 398 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:20,800 Speaker 2: you know, people here in La County. But I don't 399 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:24,159 Speaker 2: know what would you want us to ask look for. 400 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:29,040 Speaker 4: They changed They said that he died from blunt force trauma, 401 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:33,240 Speaker 4: and then later the days went by, and then they 402 00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:39,400 Speaker 4: started changing the story, you know, and then the desertificate. 403 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:42,040 Speaker 4: Finally they said that it was well, now we don't 404 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:47,600 Speaker 4: know what happened to him. So but see, I'm sure 405 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:52,560 Speaker 4: that something happened because he died in the university's property. 406 00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:57,800 Speaker 4: So they tried to hide everything. They tried to hide. 407 00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:01,240 Speaker 4: They make it quick like nothing happened. I mean, he 408 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:05,399 Speaker 4: was right the state capitol, he was talking the radio 409 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:09,000 Speaker 4: and all that. He was not afraid to say things 410 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,320 Speaker 4: about the governor. He was not afraid to talk. 411 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:16,600 Speaker 2: I don't dismiss this because things like what mister Gomez 412 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:21,080 Speaker 2: is suggesting have happened in this country. I think about 413 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:26,000 Speaker 2: Cointo pro when the US government illegally monitored and infiltrated 414 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:30,000 Speaker 2: the Black Panthers after nine to eleven, the FBI used 415 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:34,159 Speaker 2: an informant to infiltrate a southern California mosque, and in 416 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:38,720 Speaker 2: December twenty twenty one, a news report revealed the LAPD 417 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:43,640 Speaker 2: hired a marketing firm to track Black Lives Matter protesters' tweets. 418 00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:47,919 Speaker 2: At this point, I'm taking all suspicions seriously. 419 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:51,920 Speaker 4: They told me at the time that they were closing 420 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:57,280 Speaker 4: the case and that if I found evidence, to show 421 00:26:57,280 --> 00:27:00,440 Speaker 4: it to them and they will reopen it. I said, 422 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:03,120 Speaker 4: that doesn't make sense to me. I'm not a sheriff. 423 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:06,919 Speaker 4: I'm an investigator. You do that's your job to do. 424 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:08,520 Speaker 4: Oh am, I going to do that. 425 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:15,080 Speaker 2: As I said, the Santa Barbara Sheriff's Office initially investigated 426 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:19,679 Speaker 2: Oscar's death as a possible homicide. They said his cause 427 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:23,720 Speaker 2: of death is blunt force trauma, but then they conclude 428 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:28,359 Speaker 2: the manner of death is undetermined. There's a news release 429 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:31,720 Speaker 2: issued by the Sheriff's office stating that the death is 430 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:36,760 Speaker 2: believed to be accidental to mister Gomez. All of these 431 00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:41,200 Speaker 2: different labels don't add up, he says. The year after 432 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:45,120 Speaker 2: Oscar's death, he filed a lawsuit against the Sheriff's office 433 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:48,399 Speaker 2: for violation of the Gomez family civil rights to a 434 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:49,640 Speaker 2: proper investigation. 435 00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:52,399 Speaker 4: So I tried to sue them. I sue them. I 436 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:56,040 Speaker 4: kind of knew that I was going against powerful people, obviously, 437 00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:59,480 Speaker 4: the university and the streff altogether, the courts. 438 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:02,840 Speaker 2: My head feels like it's going to burst with mister 439 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:06,760 Speaker 2: Gomez's suspicions. He thinks the sheriff's office didn't do their 440 00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:10,480 Speaker 2: due diligence because Oscar was a Chicano. He thinks UC 441 00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:13,800 Speaker 2: Santa Barbara and the Sheriff's office covered up Oscar's death 442 00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:17,359 Speaker 2: because they didn't want trouble, and he thinks Oscar may 443 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:20,679 Speaker 2: have made important people at the state capitol angry for 444 00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:26,280 Speaker 2: calling out racist laws. I'm feeling the heaviness of the 445 00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:31,560 Speaker 2: Gomez family's grief, the heaviness of so many unanswered questions 446 00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:39,720 Speaker 2: twenty eight years later. But it's late and everyone has 447 00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:40,120 Speaker 2: to go. 448 00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:42,760 Speaker 4: Home, and I hope you get to see the game man. 449 00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:49,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, well it. 450 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:53,400 Speaker 2: In this season of Imperfect Paradise Forgotten Revolutionary, I go 451 00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:57,160 Speaker 2: back in time to Oscar and to my own history, 452 00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:01,400 Speaker 2: to peel back the layers of what happened to both 453 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:01,800 Speaker 2: of us. 454 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:06,440 Speaker 10: Oscar was a complex person. You know, he had a 455 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:09,600 Speaker 10: lot of drive and animal but he also had of 456 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:14,200 Speaker 10: There was I think a little bit of a chaotic 457 00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:15,840 Speaker 10: part to him. 458 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:17,280 Speaker 3: Then I know who killed him. 459 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:21,320 Speaker 11: Then I know who killed as prepare yourself because it's 460 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:24,959 Speaker 11: an intense ride. And just when you think you've a 461 00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:28,720 Speaker 11: notion of where this story may be going, bam, you'll 462 00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:29,440 Speaker 11: jump tracks. 463 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:40,160 Speaker 2: That's coming up on Imperfect Paradise the Forgotten Revolutionary. Imperfect 464 00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:44,720 Speaker 2: Paradise the Forgotten Revolutionary is written, reported, and hosted by 465 00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:49,520 Speaker 2: me Ambez. 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