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Speaker 2: You know, it's always amazing this first week of the

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Speaker 2: NCAA tournament. So last Sunday you and I were counting

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Speaker 2: down to selection Sunday, and by the end of this

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Speaker 2: day the field is sixty eight will be reduced to sixteen. Yes,

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Speaker 2: so fifty two teams that were all pumped up last Sunday.

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Speaker 3: We're in the big Dance. We're in the tournament.

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Speaker 2: One week later we're gonna be watching the rest of

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Speaker 2: the games like the rest of us.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So it's it's a whirlwin this first week.

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Speaker 2: And once again, all I can say about March Madness

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Speaker 2: it never fails. Ever, ever every single year is as

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Speaker 2: I'm trying to fill out my bracket. Every year, I

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Speaker 2: try to come up with some new formula because none

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Speaker 2: of them work.

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Speaker 3: They never work.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: Do I go with teams that were hot at the

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Speaker 2: end of the season, or maybe some reverse psychology teams

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Speaker 2: that went out of their conference tournaments early. Maybe I'll

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Speaker 2: pick them. Maybe I'll go with a lot of upsets.

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Speaker 2: Maybe I'll go with all the favorites. It doesn't matter

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Speaker 3: It never fails.

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Speaker 1: I actually have never won a tournament bracket challenge in

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Speaker 1: my life. You know, different little pools, groups of people

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Speaker 1: who I've been challenged by. I never, not once, not

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Speaker 1: even close to the top in any of these leagues.

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Speaker 1: And it's because of what you just described. There are

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Speaker 1: so many different possibilities and outcomes. It is then the

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Speaker 1: quintillion to one chance of having a perfect bracket. Those

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Speaker 1: So getting to the top twenty percent even of any

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Speaker 1: All I know is this, if I focus in on

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Speaker 1: found to be the best way to wager anything on

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Speaker 1: March Madness, because when you try to take in the

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Speaker 1: college basketball is going to look like in the tournament,

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Speaker 1: you always fail. I mean the failure is on your

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Speaker 2: Well, a prime example is the game going on right

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Speaker 2: now between Marquette and Colorado. So Marquette this year, in

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Speaker 2: And I'm looking right now with one thirty to go,

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Speaker 2: Marquette with a one point lead about a minute to

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Speaker 2: so many unbelievable stories already in this tournament. You know,

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Speaker 3: And for him, you know.

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Speaker 2: He was all excited to go to Korea and everything else,

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Speaker 2: He's been all over that story, get his thoughts about

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Speaker 3: But you know, just getting back to the game.

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Speaker 2: Marquette, by the way, just scored, so they now lead

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Speaker 2: I've covered a lot of final fours, as you know,

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Speaker 2: Now he gets a huge deal to be the Michigan

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Speaker 2: many times I've sat down with coaches expressing their frustration.

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Speaker 2: We could win thirty games, we could win our conference championship,

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Speaker 2: success or failure in March madness?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's fair and it's accurate, and it's appropriate and

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Speaker 1: it's life. I don't care who you are, what business

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Speaker 1: how about this. You know you're about to choose what

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Speaker 1: different context. Right. We all in our lives have these giant,

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Speaker 1: and like it or not, fair or not, that's the

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Speaker 1: We're gonna take your almost your top seventy teams in

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Speaker 1: neutral territory. I mean, what more could you ask for?

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Speaker 1: This is your best shot at fairness. So show up

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Speaker 2: And again, this is how ultimately everyone and by the way,

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Speaker 2: something I would remind these guys. Marty Schottenheimer won two

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Speaker 3: Games, a great example, and he never even made it

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Speaker 2: In fact, he only won five postseason games his entire career.

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Speaker 2: And because of that, you don't Hear'm already Shotennheimer in

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Speaker 2: a discussion for the Hall of Fame. So, yeah, it

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Speaker 2: imperfect world, especially being a college coach, where your fate

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Speaker 3: So be it.

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Speaker 2: You chose this profession, and by the way, you're being

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Speaker 3: All right, right now, just updating you.

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Speaker 2: Marquette with a two point lead, now seventeen seconds to

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Speaker 2: is Johnny Us And you know, JP, we are all excited.

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Speaker 2: I know you've been all over this story, JP, Where

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Speaker 6: Well, Stephen Rich, good morning here on the West Coast.

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Speaker 1: It is amazing that this has not received more attention

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Speaker 1: JP Morosi joining us on Fox Sports Radio. And obviously

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Speaker 1: you are clued into Major League Baseball better than anybody

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Speaker 1: the eight and twenty four Michigan Wolverines, who also went

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Speaker 1: three and seventeen in conference this year. Yuck. But then

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Speaker 1: incomes Dusty May from FAU who turned a perennially sub

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Speaker 1: five hundred mid major team into a nationally relevant OWLS

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Speaker 1: team that just lost in overtime to Northwestern, another Big

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Speaker 1: Ten team as they get bounced, but he gets the job.

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Speaker 1: Juwan Howard out at Michigan, Dusty May, in, what are

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Speaker 1: your initial thoughts?

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Speaker 6: I like to hire my friend I like to hire.

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Speaker 6: I think that his resume is very strong, and I

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Speaker 6: so I was listening to the previous conversation you guys

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Speaker 6: had about about how when a team goes on a run,

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Speaker 6: how it affects what happens next for a coach. I

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Speaker 6: think back to Shaka Smarta and what he did years

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Speaker 6: ago where that was the catapult for him. And I

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Speaker 6: think in the case of May you got Midwest roots,

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Speaker 6: went to Indiana, learned another coach night, of course, and

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Speaker 6: I do think that he has the ability to, I believe,

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Speaker 6: build this program from the bottom up. But also one

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Speaker 6: of the things we've been hearing about a lot in

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Speaker 6: the last couple of days with the way that successful

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Speaker 6: teams have been built to find a couple guys who

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Speaker 6: will come via the portal and maybe even somebody from

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Speaker 6: FAU who knows, but to find some guys out of

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Speaker 6: the portal that will give Michigan some experience. And they

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Speaker 6: have to find a way, I think, to rebuild their

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Speaker 6: recruiting base, and just clearly the mix of players, the

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Speaker 6: organization level of the program has not been where it

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Speaker 6: needs to be the last couple of years, especially, and

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Speaker 6: so with you would think with Michigan the nil money there,

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Speaker 6: you lose Dickinson before this season. That was sort of

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Speaker 6: a strange situation. It just really there have been a

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Speaker 6: number of red flags with this team for a long time,

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Speaker 6: and I think that May will come in with a

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Speaker 6: better understanding of how to use lovers of power, maximize

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Speaker 6: your nil money, and find a way to compete to

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Speaker 6: what we know is a very very difficult league, which,

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Speaker 6: as you guys know from your broadcast position in the

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Speaker 6: heart of the Big Ten in southern California, it's about

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Speaker 6: to get a little more competitive now that we're going

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Speaker 6: to have for new West Coast schools joining next season.

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Speaker 2: Dustin May is one of those amazing stories. He didn't

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Speaker 2: play it Indiana. He was the student manager. Wow. He

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Speaker 2: was the guy at the end of the bench as

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Speaker 2: they're calling a time out that's throwing towels to the

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Speaker 2: players when Bob Knight was the coach. I don't know,

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Speaker 2: you know, if I'm a Michigan guy, do I really

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Speaker 2: want a guy that basically was working for Bob Knight

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Speaker 2: as my new head coach? But it can only go.

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Speaker 2: Michigan has certainly hit the skids the last couple of years.

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Speaker 2: JP I know you're going to be all over this

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Speaker 2: O'tani story. As you say, don't expect some quick resolve

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Speaker 2: on this. A lot of concerns right now concerning the

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Speaker 2: biggest name, the biggest star of Major League Baseball and

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Speaker 2: his connection in some way to what happened here with

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Speaker 2: this translator. But as always we have the ultimate source

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Speaker 2: for this story and all stories related to Major League Baseball,

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Speaker 2: the great John Paul Morosi.

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Speaker 1: JP.

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Speaker 3: Enjoy the rest of the tournament, Steve and Rich.

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Speaker 6: My pleasure, my friends, have a great opening week of

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Speaker 6: the baseball season. I look forward to our next conversation.

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Speaker 6: As you mentioned, probably not our last talk on this

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Speaker 6: particular subject, not even close.

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Speaker 2: All right, JP, thank you so much. There is John

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Speaker 2: Paul Morossi joining us there. All right, let's find out

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Speaker 2: what is trending right now. Kevin Wyerts in the house today. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: that's going on, kid March madness.

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Speaker 7: Man, it's one of the best times of the year

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Speaker 7: in sports, isn't an. We've had so many great games,

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Speaker 7: including the one in Indianapolis between a second seed and

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Speaker 7: Marquette ten seat in Colorado where the Golden Eagles win

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Speaker 7: this one eighty to seventy seven. A great offensive day

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Speaker 7: all around, as the Golden Eagles sixty one point eight percent,

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Speaker 7: shooting thirty four to fifty five, including nine to twenty

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Speaker 7: one from three point range, so they were able to

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Speaker 7: get it done and win this one as they had

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Speaker 7: four guys in a double figures did the Golden Eagles.

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Speaker 7: Next game of the day is coming up just a

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Speaker 7: few minutes from now. It's set the tip off at

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Speaker 7: two forty seven, so call it eleven minutes from now

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Speaker 7: as a top seeded perdue.

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Speaker 8: Eight seeded Utah State.

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Speaker 7: We'll square off the second game of the day over

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Speaker 7: in Indianapolis. The next game, though not coming up until

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Speaker 7: five fifteen Duke and James, the Battle of the Dukes

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Speaker 7: Duke and James Madison four and twelve seed matchup, and

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Speaker 7: then coming up at six ' ten it'll be Baylor

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Speaker 7: and the Clemson. On the women's side of things, we've

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Speaker 7: had one game go final seven seeded Duke over second

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Speaker 7: seeded Ohio State seventy five sixty three.

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Speaker 8: Duke really struggling for the first quarter and a half.

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Speaker 7: They shot in the low twenties, but got their average

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Speaker 7: up to around fifty percent as they won this one

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Speaker 7: by double digits seventy five to sixty three. Going on

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Speaker 7: right now, Kansas State Colorado, the fourth seeded Wildcats tied

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Speaker 7: with the fifth seeded Buffaloes at fourteen. They've reached the

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Speaker 7: end of the first quarter and then nearing the end

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Speaker 7: of the third quarter. In the matchup between South Carolina

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Speaker 7: and North Carolina, the game Cocks undefeated and they're probably

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Speaker 7: going to stay that way unless they have an absolute

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Speaker 7: collapse of epic proportions sixty eight to thirty four nearing

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Speaker 7: the end of the third quarter. In some college basketball news,

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Speaker 7: the University of Michigan naming Florida Atlantic head coach Dusty

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Speaker 7: may as a new leader of their program. He's been

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Speaker 7: given a five year contract that will average three point

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Speaker 7: seventy five million dollars per season. And on the women's

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Speaker 7: side of things, interesting news as a Kim Moulkey saying

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Speaker 7: that an unpublished Washington Post piece is quote a hit piece,

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Speaker 7: that's what she called it, and has threatened to sue

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Speaker 7: the publication if they are to release it. So that

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Speaker 7: makes me more curious as to what exactly they wrote

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Speaker 7: about her together or so upset. It has not been

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Speaker 7: published yet, so nothing to indicate exactly what it is.

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Speaker 7: But I think there was an interesting piece of news

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Speaker 7: as LSU does I get ready to play Middle Tennessee.

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Speaker 7: Tip off for that one is set for three o'clock

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Speaker 7: Eastern time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Kevin, here's the thing. Who would have read this

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Speaker 2: story had she not called attention to it?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: I mean, seriously, what they call the story?

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Speaker 2: The story has not come out yet, and I mean,

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Speaker 2: how many people are gonna, Oh, I got to read

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Speaker 2: this Kim Mulkey story. Yeah, I got, I got news

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Speaker 2: for Kim Mulkey. Ninety nine point percent of the people

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Speaker 2: in this country have no idea who you are. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: So the only the by calling attangent to an article

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Speaker 2: that has never come out, an article that almost nobody

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Speaker 2: would have read.

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Speaker 3: Now they're going to read it.

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Speaker 1: But hang on, hang on. So obviously we're talking about

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Speaker 1: LSU's women's basketball head. This is one of these one

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Speaker 1: of these job titles that you know, I mean, it

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Speaker 1: gives you a tremendous amount of esteem when you think

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Speaker 1: about the LSU athletic department. And depending on how damning

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Speaker 1: the quote unquote hit piece, accusations or allegations are going

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Speaker 1: to be, it might be intelligent to get in front

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Speaker 1: of this thing. I agree with you guys on the

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Speaker 1: front end of the spear. Maybe your voice shouldn't be

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Speaker 1: the first voice heard. But from a public relations standpoint,

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Speaker 1: if she knows the level of allegation, or she's aware

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Speaker 1: of it, like based on the questions that we're asked

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Speaker 1: of her, or if she has any indication as to

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Speaker 1: what the consequences for a quote unquote hit piece to

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Speaker 1: come out against her, maybe getting in front of it

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Speaker 1: is the right decision. What do you think.

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Speaker 2: Well, here's the thing, and Chris, we were talking about

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Speaker 2: this before the show.

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Speaker 3: So she's signed a hit piece that this guy.

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Speaker 2: Did on Brian Kelly, okay, and it was based on

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Speaker 2: the fact that Louisiana is not a rich state. Okay,

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Speaker 2: Louisiana is not a rich state by any stretch of

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Speaker 2: the imagination. And yet he's making an insane amount of money. Now,

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Speaker 2: she just signed a huge extension to her contract following

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Speaker 2: their national championship a year ago, so they might be

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Speaker 2: saying things are a little out of sorts here at LSU,

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Speaker 2: where you're paying the women's basketball coach more than three

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Speaker 2: million dollars a year, and obviously Brian Kelly's making a

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Speaker 2: whole lot more coach than the football team in a

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Speaker 2: state of Louisiana that is desperately poor.

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Speaker 9: To give more background, the writer Kent Bab is one

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Speaker 9: of their investigator reporters. The name of the piece is

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Speaker 9: in Baton Rouge. There's there's a one hundred million dollar

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Speaker 9: football coach and everyone else, and just it's I don't

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Speaker 9: really even think of it as a piece. Her characterization

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Speaker 9: was something that even Bab kind of mocked on Twitter.

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Speaker 9: I just it's I will say this as someone who

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Speaker 9: went through journalism school, the level to claim that there's

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Speaker 9: defamation or slander in this country is extremely high, especially

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Speaker 9: for a public figure like Kim Mulky. And she is

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Speaker 9: a public figure. She's probably one of the better well

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Speaker 9: known women's basketball coaches in this country. And I think

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Speaker 9: she's misguided. This is what people who in power do

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Speaker 9: is they just threaten to sue. And I don't think

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Speaker 9: she actually has a good grasp on this because she

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Speaker 9: would know that it's very hard to do this. You

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Speaker 9: have to prove a lot of things to show that

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Speaker 9: an organization like the Washington Post is simply doing journalism malpractice,

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Speaker 9: which the Washington Post has a very long history of

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Speaker 9: investigative journalism and knows how to dot the dot their

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Speaker 9: eyes and cross their t's on this kind of stuff.

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Speaker 9: I think she's just blowing smoke on this, trying to

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Speaker 9: show that she's strong, which against your point, Steve, the

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Speaker 9: move is you wait for it to be published, then

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Speaker 9: pick it apart and then start threatening about it. But

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Speaker 9: like this, this is just strissand effect.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think there's a little bit of bluster here,

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Speaker 1: and potentially she won't sue. But her direct quote is

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Speaker 1: I've hired the best defamation law firm in the country,

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Speaker 1: and I will sue the Washington Post if they publish.

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Speaker 9: I'm sure that that lawyer has different advice for her.

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Speaker 1: But yes, well, I mean, and you may be right

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Speaker 1: or or potentially you know, there's a law firm out

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Speaker 1: there that definitely wants to have their name promoted alongside

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Speaker 1: this for as long as they possibly can, because as

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Speaker 1: we know, some people believe in the practice of any

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Speaker 1: news is good news. So we'll see where that all lands.

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Speaker 1: But I agree with you. I think that in civil

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Speaker 1: court defamation cases, they are they are hard to prove,

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Speaker 1: and you better be one hundred percent buttoned up on

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Speaker 1: that side of it. But what does she risk on

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Speaker 1: the outset, you know, trying to draw criticism and encourage. Look,

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Speaker 1: I mean, you see the verbic she's using. She's talking

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Speaker 1: about literally another quote from her. This is exactly why

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Speaker 1: people don't trust journalists in the media anymore. So what

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Speaker 1: she's trying to evoke is a reaction to the mainstream

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Speaker 1: media attacking another person who's been has a longstanding tradition

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Speaker 1: of integrity in their personal and professional life and how

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Speaker 1: dare they? You know? So that's this is a public

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Speaker 1: relations spin that many have used, and I hate to

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Speaker 1: admit it, but it's been successful for many people over

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Speaker 1: the course of time. It has.

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Speaker 9: But I also think Mulki has kind of overestimated her

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Speaker 9: own standing in this regard. People know she's a bit

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Speaker 9: of a hard ass, and it's not easy to find

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Speaker 9: where there might be some people upset with her her

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Speaker 9: conduct in the past and find, you know, enough stuff.

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Speaker 2: We again, we have no clue what this article's abouts.

653
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:06,920
Speaker 2: I mean, like I said, is it going to be

654
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 2: about the fact that she signed a thirty six million

655
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:12,919
Speaker 2: dollar deal as a women's basketball coach in a very

656
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:15,920
Speaker 2: poor state, which was the tone of the Brian Kelly.

657
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 2: Is it going to be something along those lines or

658
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:20,479
Speaker 2: is it going to be some kind of exposa where

659
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 2: players that she has coached over the years that Baylor

660
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:25,239
Speaker 2: and LSU are going to call her out for her

661
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:27,799
Speaker 2: coach We don't know. We have absolutely no idea what

662
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:30,879
Speaker 2: the content is. But because she has called so much

663
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 2: attention to this article, way more people are going to

664
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 2: read this article than would have read it in the

665
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 2: first place. All right, coming up on the other side,

666
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 2: quick follow up on the Otani situation and one part

667
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 2: of this story that Rich, You're gonna have to explain

668
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 2: it to me because you know more about the gambling.

669
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:49,919
Speaker 3: Aspect of this than I do. But you have one

670
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:51,839
Speaker 3: thing to explain to me. Coming up.

671
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 2: This is Fox Sports Sunday, Steve Harbin and Rich Hornberger

672
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 2: Here Fox Sports Sunday. We are live from the Tyraq

673
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 2: dot Com studios. I don't want to be labor this

674
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:03,360
Speaker 2: Otani story, but I do have a couple of questions

675
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:06,279
Speaker 2: for you. So the one thing that struck me immediately

676
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 2: was the idea that this guy rang up the gambling debt.

677
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:15,480
Speaker 2: This interpreter, Yeah, and I'm thinking I don't know what

678
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 2: they pay these guys, but I didn't think they made

679
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 2: enough money to ring up four and a half million

680
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 2: dollars in gambling debt, so that that seemed.

681
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 3: A little far fetched to me.

682
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:28,360
Speaker 2: And then the idea that well, he said, I've got

683
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:31,439
Speaker 2: show hey Otani backing me up. And if I were

684
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 2: especially an illegal booking operation, I think I would want

685
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:37,280
Speaker 2: to check in with Otani to see if this guy's

686
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 2: good for the money, if you know what I mean.

687
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:42,319
Speaker 2: And then the other part of it is if he

688
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:47,280
Speaker 2: was just stealing money out of Otani's account, I can't

689
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 2: imagine that he would be the only person other than

690
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 2: Otani that would have access to these accounts. So again,

691
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 2: I don't know what they're paying interpreters these days, but

692
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:01,879
Speaker 2: I don't think they're being paid as much money as

693
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 2: you would need to ring up four and a half

694
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:05,520
Speaker 2: million dollars a gambling deck.

695
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:07,920
Speaker 3: My guess, yeah, maybe I'm wrong about that.

696
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:10,400
Speaker 2: Well, I mean this points to me if I'm just

697
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:14,240
Speaker 2: you know, looking at this Otani's gambling.

698
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:15,879
Speaker 3: I don't believe he'd bet on.

699
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:19,400
Speaker 2: Baseball, that would be ridiculous, but he's betting on other things.

700
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 2: He enjoys a little gambling, which I have no problem

701
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 2: with and should just come clean with it. I mean,

702
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 2: because this other guy, it doesn't make sense how he

703
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 2: would have access in any way to that kind of money.

704
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:33,880
Speaker 1: Well, I so I'll go back in my own life

705
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:37,279
Speaker 1: to a formative moment where my grandfather said something to

706
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:40,359
Speaker 1: me about life that's held up and it's been true

707
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 1: because he caught me in a lie, you know whatever.

708
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 1: Maybe I had one too many cookies, or you know,

709
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 1: I told him that I was at somebody's house when

710
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 1: it was actually at somebody else's. And I spent a

711
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:53,320
Speaker 1: lot of time with my grandfather, he was a caretaker

712
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:55,440
Speaker 1: of mine in my young life, and he said, you

713
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:57,919
Speaker 1: can fool some of the people some of the time,

714
00:38:58,160 --> 00:38:59,959
Speaker 1: or excuse me, some of the people all of time.

715
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:02,799
Speaker 1: You can feel all the people some of the time,

716
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 1: but you can't fool all the people all the time.

717
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 1: So that's that's pretty much what we got here. If

718
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 1: we're going to believe that I A. Mitsuhara was responsible

719
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 1: for all of this, that a con man finally got caught,

720
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 1: because if you start going through his history, the media

721
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:24,320
Speaker 1: guy that he had for the Angels, the information about

722
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:27,440
Speaker 1: him that he went to uc Riverside. He didn't that

723
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 1: he worked for the Red Sox. He didn't that he

724
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 1: worked for the Yankees. He didn't like they're starting to

725
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:38,440
Speaker 1: poke holes through ip A Mitsuhara, like the person that

726
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:41,879
Speaker 1: we thought we knew, or at very least that the

727
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:46,240
Speaker 1: Angels thought they knew, or that Showhy thought he knew.

728
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 1: And who knows, maybe he was able to spin something

729
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:54,880
Speaker 1: with an illegal book maker that made him feel confident

730
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 1: that this guy was good for whatever it was that

731
00:39:57,719 --> 00:39:59,879
Speaker 1: he was saying he was good for. And there's more

732
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 1: to this story, but right now he is being portrayed

733
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:07,439
Speaker 1: as a con man in the media. We'll see where

734
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:10,399
Speaker 1: this story goes from here, but this may fall under

735
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:14,240
Speaker 1: the category is that you can fool all the people

736
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 1: some of the time. And that time is up and

737
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 1: Ippy mittwu Horrow is now getting called up for all

738
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 1: of these things.

739
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:25,319
Speaker 2: Show hey Otani is the most valuable player for Major

740
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 2: League Baseball. They will do whatever they can to protect

741
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 2: him if they can. We'll see how this plays out,

742
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 2: all right. Coming up on the other side.

743
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:35,720
Speaker 3: We're gonna get back to the March madness.

744
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:39,280
Speaker 2: We had seven more slots to fill for the Sweet sixteen,

745
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:43,800
Speaker 2: and what is the future of John Caliperry at Kentucky.

746
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:45,719
Speaker 3: We're gonna cover it all for you. Keep it here.

747
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 2: This is Fox Sports Sunday, rolling along here on this

748
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Speaker 2: March madness a Sunday. This is Fox Sports Sunday, and

749
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753
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Speaker 2: buying should be. All right, the number one seed in

754
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:12,719
Speaker 2: the Midwest region, that would be perdue taking on the

755
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 2: eight seed Utah State, Purdue leading this game early by

756
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:20,399
Speaker 2: a score of ten to eight. Zach Edy, who will

757
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 2: join Ralph Sampson as the only repeat winners of the

758
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:29,319
Speaker 2: Wooden Award. Now, there's something to be said about why

759
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:32,800
Speaker 2: Zach Edy would win back to back Wooden Awards, because normally,

760
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:35,360
Speaker 2: if you win the Wooden Award, the next year.

761
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 3: You're playing in the NBA.

762
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:39,919
Speaker 2: Correct, So the idea of him winning back to back

763
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 2: Wooden Awards is not exactly amplifying the projections of his

764
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:49,720
Speaker 2: value at the next level. If you look at NBA

765
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:54,400
Speaker 2: mock drafts updated, he's still listed as a middle of

766
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 2: the second round pick for a guy who has dominated.

767
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 3: College basketball over the last couple of years. However, remember

768
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:06,920
Speaker 3: last year the embarrassing losses one seed to a sixteen

769
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:10,719
Speaker 3: seed to open up their tournament. Last year they got

770
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 3: by their first game, but right now they're trailing. Utah

771
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 3: stayed fourteen to ten.

772
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 2: But this gets back to the old idea again about

773
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:20,879
Speaker 2: the difference between the college games, and we talk about

774
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:23,360
Speaker 2: this in football a lot as well, rich and the

775
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:27,799
Speaker 2: professional games. They're very different. Now, some player's skill set

776
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 2: adapts to both, others don't. And for a guy like

777
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 2: Zach Edy, who's going to go down as one of

778
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:38,359
Speaker 2: the dominant big man in college basketball history, he may

779
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 2: never even see the light of day in the NBA.

780
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 3: But I don't want to.

781
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:44,440
Speaker 2: I don't want to take that away from what he

782
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 2: does at the college level. No, because they're very different games.

783
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:53,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, they are. They are. Let's be very honest when

784
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:56,280
Speaker 1: we talk about the pro game versus the college game.

785
00:42:56,600 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 1: You know, the level of competition that Purdue faces on

786
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:06,440
Speaker 1: a weekly basis versus an NBA big man, forward or center.

787
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:10,399
Speaker 1: You're talking about completely different skill sets. You're talking about

788
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 1: a completely different level of competition, and those I mean

789
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 1: depending on size or speed or ability to you know,

790
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 1: I should say skill set versatility like being able to

791
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:29,759
Speaker 1: do everything equally with both hands. Like everything is going

792
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 1: to be scrutinized to the end of the earth when

793
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:35,440
Speaker 1: it comes to being a professional, especially in a sport

794
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:40,759
Speaker 1: like basketball, because you are culling down to basically ten

795
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 1: or twelve guys per team, thirty teams. You're talking about

796
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:51,839
Speaker 1: basically three hundred people from the entire planet Earth. These

797
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 1: are the best basketball players on the planet and it's

798
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 1: only three hundred of them that get to play. So

799
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:01,880
Speaker 1: guess what, you know, you could be the best player

800
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:05,440
Speaker 1: in your country and you're not going to even sniff

801
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 1: the NBA because there are a lot of countries, and

802
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:10,319
Speaker 1: there's a lot of countries that play a high level

803
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 1: of basketball. Maybe your country just doesn't play a high

804
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 1: enough level of basketball. So you could be the greatest

805
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 1: basketball in your country's history. And as a player, you

806
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:22,239
Speaker 1: are never going to make it in the NBA, not

807
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 1: one season. And so I get it. It seems ridiculous

808
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 1: to say a guy who's won the Wood Award in

809
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 1: back to back years can't even sniff the NBA. But

810
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 1: when you really start looking at the numbers, it actually

811
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:36,959
Speaker 1: does make sense.

812
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 2: So the reason I brought this up about Zach Edy is,

813
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:46,719
Speaker 2: and we were talking earlier about job security as a

814
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:49,799
Speaker 2: Division one basketball coach really based on what you do

815
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 2: in this NCAA tournament.

816
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:53,719
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, always, And.

817
00:44:54,160 --> 00:45:00,120
Speaker 2: John Caliperry has got a problem right now. So John Calipery,

818
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 2: over the last four years since the canceled Tournament of

819
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:08,359
Speaker 2: twenty twenty. In the twenty one season, the bottom fell

820
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 2: out on Kentucky. They went nine to sixteen that year,

821
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 2: obviously didn't even get a sniff of the tournament. The

822
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 2: last three years they've been in the tournament, they were

823
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 2: knocked out in the first round as a two seed.

824
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:21,959
Speaker 2: They got knocked out in the second round a year ago,

825
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 2: and then got knocked out again this year by a

826
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 2: fourteen seed Oakland, whose coach had never won a tournament

827
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:33,759
Speaker 2: game in forty years until that game. And we talk

828
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:37,799
Speaker 2: about developing NBA talent, well, no coach has developed more

829
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 2: NBA talent than John Caliperry.

830
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 3: And it goes back to his first year. I've told

831
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:44,719
Speaker 3: the story to you.

832
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 2: I know you've heard it about interviewing John Caliperry after

833
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 2: his first year at Kentucky and he had taken over

834
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:55,880
Speaker 2: a program that hit the skits, and the thinking was,

835
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 2: we got to get back to where Patino had us.

836
00:45:58,800 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 3: You know, Tubby Smith was there.

837
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:02,840
Speaker 2: He won a championship the first year, really playing with

838
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 2: Patino's players, but they wanted to harken back to Patino

839
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:09,400
Speaker 2: and cali Peri was like his protege, right, I mean,

840
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:13,359
Speaker 2: they're like the same guy, Rick Patino, John Calipari. So

841
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:16,839
Speaker 2: they bring Caliperi in his first year. He's got two

842
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:21,839
Speaker 2: freshmen named Boogie Cousins and John Wall and they get

843
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 2: all the way to the Elite eight. They get upset

844
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 2: by West Virginia in the Elite eight. And we had

845
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 2: him on the show about a month after the Final four,

846
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:34,400
Speaker 2: and I asked him, it is Kentucky the toughest job

847
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:37,799
Speaker 2: in the country, and he says, well, let me tell

848
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 2: you this. Right after the Final four, I was having

849
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 2: dinner with friends and a man came up to us.

850
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:46,520
Speaker 2: He wasn't belligerent, he wasn't anything. He was just very nice,

851
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:49,279
Speaker 2: soft spoken. He just didn't want I don't want to

852
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:51,319
Speaker 2: interrupt you, coach, I just wanted to say hi.

853
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 1: By the way, anytime somebody says I don't want to

854
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 1: interrupt you, it's followed by an interruption.

855
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:59,479
Speaker 2: Well, but it was. It was so subtle that cali

856
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:01,799
Speaker 2: Peri was even thrown off. So the guy says this,

857
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:06,319
Speaker 2: He says, I just wanted to say hi, and he said,

858
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:09,200
Speaker 2: I just want to say even though we failed this year,

859
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:11,960
Speaker 2: I still have faith in you that you can get

860
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:14,959
Speaker 2: it done next year. Oh boy, that's all the guy said.

861
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:18,760
Speaker 2: And now Caliperi, I'm like, let me get this straight.

862
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:22,239
Speaker 2: Last year you didn't even be in the tournament, and

863
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:23,799
Speaker 2: this year I come in and we go to the

864
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:27,359
Speaker 2: late eight, and you're calling that a fail. So he

865
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 2: knew he was in trouble, and of course eventually he

866
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 2: did win the single championship in twenty twelve. But now

867
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:38,880
Speaker 2: with the transfer portal and nil, we're getting guys staying

868
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 2: in college a little bit longer. That Oakland team that

869
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:45,759
Speaker 2: upset Kentucky, I mean that three point shooter, what was

870
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:46,839
Speaker 2: he thirty five years old?

871
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 1: I mean Jack Goldkey.

872
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, so the guy was like twenty five, and so

873
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:57,759
Speaker 2: the idea that he has been this guy that has

874
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:02,360
Speaker 2: sold his entire career on getting guys ready as quickly

875
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:05,719
Speaker 2: as possible for the NBA. And the list of players

876
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:08,560
Speaker 2: that have had great success at the NBA who played

877
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:11,880
Speaker 2: under cali Peri is very long. So he's been successful

878
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:15,160
Speaker 2: of that. But where it's falling short is at Kentucky

879
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:18,720
Speaker 2: because they want championships. They don't want to just see

880
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:21,400
Speaker 2: the list of guys that are making hundreds of millions

881
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:24,480
Speaker 2: of dollars of the NBA. We want championships and he

882
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:26,920
Speaker 2: has at won one since Anthony Davis in his one

883
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 2: and done year back in twenty twelve at Kentucky. So

884
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:33,040
Speaker 2: what do you do because now more than ever, as

885
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 2: we watch essentially anonymous players in the college game, the

886
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:40,520
Speaker 2: amount of players you're going to see in this year's

887
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:43,719
Speaker 2: tournament there will ever be name players at the next

888
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:46,280
Speaker 2: level is a very short list, to say the least.

889
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:50,439
Speaker 2: So how do you put together these college teams when

890
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:53,320
Speaker 2: you're getting pressure to win championships, especially at a school

891
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:58,480
Speaker 2: like Kentucky, Kansas, North Carolina, Duke, Indiana, the blue bloods

892
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 2: as a pose to attracting the kind of talent that

893
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:07,120
Speaker 2: is signaled as well, I'll come for a year but

894
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:08,320
Speaker 2: then I'm off to the NBA.

895
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:09,880
Speaker 3: Well, how do you balance that?

896
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:15,360
Speaker 1: So the knee jerk reaction that many coaches will explain

897
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:20,799
Speaker 1: is more money. So what you need to be is

898
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:26,839
Speaker 1: basically what a tech company is to a venture capitalist firm.

899
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:30,400
Speaker 1: So if you come up with a great idea and

900
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:34,040
Speaker 1: you decide to turn it into an application, well that

901
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 1: great idea may end up being a world changing idea,

902
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:40,800
Speaker 1: but if you don't get money to back that idea,

903
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:44,520
Speaker 1: that app will never see the light of day. And

904
00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:46,960
Speaker 1: so what you need is somebody to fund you. So

905
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:50,480
Speaker 1: what a lot of these tech startup businesses do is

906
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:53,879
Speaker 1: they set meetings with vcs venture capitalist firms who will

907
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:56,840
Speaker 1: sit down and if you hit all the right chords

908
00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:59,759
Speaker 1: with them, they will see to your company. You hear

909
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:04,360
Speaker 1: that that term seed money, and that money hopefully turns

910
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:10,520
Speaker 1: into a life changing, ambitious march toward the future. And so,

911
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:14,080
Speaker 1: as a head coach at the college football and basketball level,

912
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:17,960
Speaker 1: where you're in a profit and revenue generating sport for university,

913
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:21,239
Speaker 1: you need to be a great pitch man. You need

914
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:23,799
Speaker 1: to be able to go to all the alumni boosters,

915
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:26,840
Speaker 1: and you need to convince them that you're the person

916
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:30,320
Speaker 1: who can find the talent that they're going to pay

917
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:34,799
Speaker 1: for via name, image and likeness, which is all completely

918
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:37,239
Speaker 1: on the up and up now, and your money is

919
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:41,000
Speaker 1: going to win as a championship. Nick Saban recently said

920
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:44,440
Speaker 1: that's the reason why I got out of coaching, because

921
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 1: he lost to Michigan in a semi final game and

922
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:51,960
Speaker 1: seventy five percent of the conversations that he had with

923
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 1: his players were about playing time and the amount of

924
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 1: money they can make the upcoming season, and a lot

925
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:01,680
Speaker 1: of players left al Bam after this conversation. You saw

926
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:04,440
Speaker 1: there was an exodus after the semi final loss to Michigan.

927
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:08,919
Speaker 1: And so the college game has changed. Coaches like John

928
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:13,440
Speaker 1: cal Pari, they may be great coaches in yesteryear using

929
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:17,440
Speaker 1: those practices that they use to lower recruits from their

930
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:20,640
Speaker 1: living room couch in high school to this college program

931
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:24,480
Speaker 1: that can promise them an NBA future, But what players

932
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:29,560
Speaker 1: want right now is money right now, and so the

933
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:33,879
Speaker 1: job the job. The job title hasn't changed. You're still

934
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:38,400
Speaker 1: head basketball coach of Kentucky, but the job description has changed.

935
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:41,600
Speaker 1: So he needs to get better at his pitch otherwise

936
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 1: he'll lose his job eventually, just like a lot of

937
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:46,000
Speaker 1: college football and basketball coaches.

938
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:49,719
Speaker 2: I've had it almost comical though, that after they lost

939
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:52,239
Speaker 2: to Oakland, you know, all the Kentucky diehards where you know,

940
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:55,160
Speaker 2: I don't care if it costs US thirty million, buy

941
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:58,279
Speaker 2: him out of this contract. Cala Perry's done, and I'm like, well,

942
00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:01,200
Speaker 2: who should we get? Look what Bruce Pearl's doing it Auburn.

943
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:04,600
Speaker 2: Let's get Bruce Pearl. He's then he loses to Yale. Yes,

944
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 2: maybe that wasn't a good idea, my guess. For Kentucky

945
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:13,120
Speaker 2: it is a very very difficult job. Oh yeah, and

946
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:17,319
Speaker 2: if your expectation is to win the championship every year,

947
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:23,600
Speaker 2: obviously a that's not a realistic theory. Believe me, this

948
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 2: is coming from a UCLA guy. I mean, we're still

949
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:31,440
Speaker 2: living off coach Wooden who retired almost fifty years ago. Okay,

950
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:36,400
Speaker 2: so it's not realistic. But what is realistic is a

951
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:39,800
Speaker 2: school like Kentucky should not be getting bounced before the

952
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:42,800
Speaker 2: sweet sixteen. They haven't been into sweet sixteen in five years.

953
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:47,480
Speaker 2: That cannot happen to Kentucky. So whatever your excuses are,

954
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:50,880
Speaker 2: whatever your spin on it is. If you're John Caliperry.

955
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:54,000
Speaker 2: I agree, you got to put up or shut up.

956
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:56,239
Speaker 2: I mean, in the bottom line, for Cali Perry, no

957
00:52:56,280 --> 00:52:58,680
Speaker 2: one gets a crap about winning a championship in twenty

958
00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:01,000
Speaker 2: twelve or that you had an undefee to run into

959
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:03,440
Speaker 2: the final four. You know, not that long agogo, What

960
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:05,600
Speaker 2: have you done for me lately? It doesn't matter as

961
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:09,080
Speaker 2: Bill Belichick yep, yep, what have you done for me lately?

962
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:13,120
Speaker 1: And the reality of the situation is as uncomfortable as

963
00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:18,120
Speaker 1: we all are with expectations. Sometimes expectations are what make

964
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:20,080
Speaker 1: the world go round. Sure you know what I mean,

965
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:22,760
Speaker 1: Like you know everything, and we were just talking about

966
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:26,319
Speaker 1: some other stuff like a sports kind of carryovers to

967
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:29,279
Speaker 1: life in terms of you know, how you're remembered as

968
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:33,360
Speaker 1: an NC double A basketball team is really what you

969
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:35,759
Speaker 1: do a tournament time. Just like in life, you know

970
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:38,760
Speaker 1: the person you decide to marry, the big job promotion,

971
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:41,280
Speaker 1: the school you decide to go to. There are certain

972
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:44,160
Speaker 1: moments in your life that matter than other moments. You know,

973
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:47,000
Speaker 1: it's a random Tuesday, you're deciding whether you to go

974
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:50,000
Speaker 1: with I don't know, Domino's Pizza Hut or Little Caesars.

975
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:52,640
Speaker 1: That's not going to be a lifelong memory, but you're

976
00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:55,120
Speaker 1: going to have those moments that really matter. And the

977
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:58,359
Speaker 1: NC Double a tournament like it or not, really really matters. Well,

978
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:02,680
Speaker 1: guess what all So in life, everybody has expectations on

979
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:06,920
Speaker 1: them as a father, a husband, a worker, a co worker,

980
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:10,040
Speaker 1: you know, a boss, whatever it is that you do

981
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:14,719
Speaker 1: professionally or personally, there's going to be expectations and the

982
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 1: ramifications of not meeting those expectations sometimes seem unfair, but

983
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:24,360
Speaker 1: that's life. And John cal Pari, he accepted this job

984
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:28,360
Speaker 1: and maybe he wasn't quite clear on exactly what the

985
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:31,959
Speaker 1: expectations were going to be, but he certainly is after

986
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:35,120
Speaker 1: all the years coaching for Kentucky, he certainly knows what

987
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:39,880
Speaker 1: the expectations are now and whether it's rightfully or wrongfully.

988
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:42,920
Speaker 1: So those are the standards that he's going to be

989
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:43,680
Speaker 1: held to, all right.

990
00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:45,440
Speaker 2: So, if you're a fan of one of those schools

991
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:48,520
Speaker 2: and you're getting frustrated by their inability to win the tournament,

992
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:51,880
Speaker 2: we're gonna give you an example of one school that

993
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:55,279
Speaker 2: has figured it out. They've laid out a formula that

994
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:59,080
Speaker 2: works without being a big name school.

995
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:01,520
Speaker 3: Which school are we talking about you're going to find out.

996
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:05,719
Speaker 2: This is Fox Sports Sunday, Steve Harban, Rich Ormberger.

997
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:07,680
Speaker 3: This is Fox Sports Sunday. We're live from the.

998
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:10,000
Speaker 2: Tire rack dot Com studios. Now right after the shar

999
00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:13,200
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1000
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:15,759
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1001
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:18,440
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1002
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:20,240
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1003
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:23,239
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1004
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:25,440
Speaker 2: You get the podcasts, and you'll see the show right

1005
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:28,040
Speaker 2: after we get off the air. All right, right now,

1006
00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:32,759
Speaker 2: just updating you Purdue and Utah State and well Rich

1007
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:37,239
Speaker 2: you know Utah State quite well, obviously. This is a

1008
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:41,799
Speaker 2: conference that produced six NCAA Tournament teams, and right now

1009
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:45,600
Speaker 2: Utah State the eight seed, is hanging in there with Purdue.

1010
00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:48,440
Speaker 2: Purdue twenty seven, twenty four with a little more than

1011
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:51,319
Speaker 2: six minutes to go in the first half. You know,

1012
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:57,920
Speaker 2: the Mountain West Conference has shown that you can have

1013
00:55:58,040 --> 00:56:02,120
Speaker 2: success in the sport a basket ball on the level

1014
00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:06,200
Speaker 2: of any conference in the country by doing certain things

1015
00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:09,920
Speaker 2: the right way in terms of how you have to

1016
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:13,040
Speaker 2: adapt to where we are right now in Division one

1017
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:17,040
Speaker 2: college basketball, and no school has done it better than

1018
00:56:17,080 --> 00:56:19,279
Speaker 2: the school that you and I know so well, and

1019
00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:22,640
Speaker 2: that is San Diego State, first with Steve Fisher and

1020
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:26,960
Speaker 2: now with Brian Dutcher. San Dieo State stunned the world

1021
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:29,400
Speaker 2: a year ago by making to the championship game. But

1022
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:32,480
Speaker 2: it really was not a stunner to us. It was

1023
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:35,359
Speaker 2: just more of a matter of time when the ball

1024
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:37,719
Speaker 2: would bounce their way in the tournament after a couple

1025
00:56:37,719 --> 00:56:40,920
Speaker 2: of first round losses, and finally it happened that way

1026
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:43,560
Speaker 2: and they get to the championship game and today they're

1027
00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:47,680
Speaker 2: a win away taking on Yale to get back to

1028
00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:52,760
Speaker 2: the Sweet sixteen. Now, how does San Diego State do it? Well,

1029
00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:58,040
Speaker 2: they'd take in all the different elements to put together

1030
00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:02,799
Speaker 2: a cohesive college basketball team, and they don't leave any

1031
00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:07,760
Speaker 2: stone unturned. So we're talking about recruiting from the jc rinks.

1032
00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:11,319
Speaker 2: We're talking about obviously high school players. We're talking about

1033
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:15,480
Speaker 2: the transfer portal. That San Diego State team that got

1034
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:19,320
Speaker 2: to the championship game a year ago had what five

1035
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:21,800
Speaker 2: players that were in either their fifth or sixth year.

1036
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:27,040
Speaker 2: San Diego State. That was a man's team. And when

1037
00:57:27,080 --> 00:57:30,160
Speaker 2: you get into this tournament, this is why teams that

1038
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:35,080
Speaker 2: have that veteran flavor to them. Where you've got twenty

1039
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:40,560
Speaker 2: three year old men going against eighteen year old young men.

1040
00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:41,800
Speaker 3: There's a difference.

1041
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:44,840
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, And so San Diego State has done this,

1042
00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:47,440
Speaker 2: and now that they got over the hump a year ago,

1043
00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:50,320
Speaker 2: I'm pretty confident they can take care of Yale. And

1044
00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:52,479
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, now you're looking at San Diego State.

1045
00:57:52,520 --> 00:57:56,920
Speaker 2: Where Gonzaga is? You know, Gonzaga nine straight sweet sixteens.

1046
00:57:57,000 --> 00:58:00,280
Speaker 2: That's an insane number for a school that can any

1047
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:03,800
Speaker 2: identify where Gonzaga is actually located. No one knows where

1048
00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:07,920
Speaker 2: Gonzaga is. It's up in the northeast corner of Washington.

1049
00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:11,440
Speaker 2: So I just love that certain schools are getting and

1050
00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:15,080
Speaker 2: some of these bigger schools take notice, because if a

1051
00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:18,360
Speaker 2: Gonzaga can do it, if a San Diego State can

1052
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:20,080
Speaker 2: do it, you can do it.

1053
00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:23,760
Speaker 1: Well. Listen, you said a lot there. I wanted to

1054
00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:26,320
Speaker 1: react to the part that I was chomping at the

1055
00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:30,120
Speaker 1: bit to react to, which is the fact that when

1056
00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:35,200
Speaker 1: we are talking about physical maturity and honestly emotional and

1057
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:40,520
Speaker 1: mental maturity, like the academic part of the brain in

1058
00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:46,080
Speaker 1: a man isn't fully formed until he's nearing thirty. You know,

1059
00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:50,360
Speaker 1: we're talking about logic and you know, anticipating things, you know,

1060
00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:54,400
Speaker 1: not being as impulsive. I mean from an emotional maturity standpoint,

1061
00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:58,320
Speaker 1: same thing. Obviously, physically, for some they're done growing by

1062
00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:01,200
Speaker 1: the age of sixteen, and for some they're done growing

1063
00:59:01,240 --> 00:59:04,840
Speaker 1: by their late twenties or even early thirties. In certain cases,

1064
00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:08,880
Speaker 1: puberty affects every man differently. But from a standpoint of

1065
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:12,400
Speaker 1: you know, playing within your own body and within a

1066
00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:15,720
Speaker 1: culture or a system that's presented to you, alongside of

1067
00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:19,680
Speaker 1: teammates that are presented to you all those things, the

1068
00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:23,320
Speaker 1: older you get, it seems like the easier those parts

1069
00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:26,160
Speaker 1: of your game get. And that's both in college basketball

1070
00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:29,640
Speaker 1: and college football. So an older team, in my opinion,

1071
00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:32,919
Speaker 1: over a young talented team, if the talent is the same,

1072
00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:36,320
Speaker 1: the older team obviously has a distinct advantage. But then

1073
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:39,880
Speaker 1: going toward what you were talking about thematically with college basketball,

1074
00:59:40,280 --> 00:59:42,960
Speaker 1: the fact that now a lot of coaches, John Cayl

1075
00:59:43,080 --> 00:59:46,479
Speaker 1: Pari being one of them, is starting to reevaluate how

1076
00:59:46,520 --> 00:59:50,840
Speaker 1: they build their system and what type of players they're

1077
00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:54,520
Speaker 1: looking for and thinking more long term instead of short

1078
00:59:54,600 --> 00:59:56,800
Speaker 1: term one and done. And then we got to reload

1079
00:59:56,840 --> 00:59:58,920
Speaker 1: one and done, and then we got to reload, like,

1080
00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:00,960
Speaker 1: how can we make this a little bit of a

1081
01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:06,840
Speaker 1: long stemming developmental process where we're bringing in players who

1082
01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:09,720
Speaker 1: either a aren't as herald did coming out of high

1083
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:13,240
Speaker 1: school or b need some work after coming through the

1084
01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:16,920
Speaker 1: transfer portal, building a rapport with them, getting them paid

1085
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:20,600
Speaker 1: through NIL, but making sure that the priority for everybody

1086
01:00:20,600 --> 01:00:24,200
Speaker 1: in your system is winning championships and then going out

1087
01:00:24,240 --> 01:00:27,360
Speaker 1: and executing all that you are building your program for

1088
01:00:27,560 --> 01:00:30,960
Speaker 1: come March. Now, that is an enormous shift at a

1089
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:34,160
Speaker 1: place like Kentucky. But yeah, using the example you brought

1090
01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:37,080
Speaker 1: up San Diego State with Steve Fisher, who came from

1091
01:00:37,080 --> 01:00:40,280
Speaker 1: Michigan with Dutch years ago, and then what Brian Dutcher

1092
01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:43,520
Speaker 1: has done since Steve Fisher stepped down has been exactly

1093
01:00:43,600 --> 01:00:46,840
Speaker 1: that the model works better now in the land of

1094
01:00:47,040 --> 01:00:50,760
Speaker 1: Nil than it ever has. Yep, And I think it's possible,

1095
01:00:51,160 --> 01:00:55,400
Speaker 1: like Gonzaga, like some other smaller mid major programs that

1096
01:00:55,760 --> 01:00:59,360
Speaker 1: have had these spurts of national relevance for a long

1097
01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:04,160
Speaker 1: standing portions of time in the collective consciousness of the

1098
01:01:04,760 --> 01:01:08,360
Speaker 1: college basketball fans, san Diego State may get there soon.

1099
01:01:09,240 --> 01:01:11,680
Speaker 2: See Here's the thing is, we had a few years

1100
01:01:11,720 --> 01:01:14,640
Speaker 2: of NIL that I'm analyzing. I think people had this

1101
01:01:14,720 --> 01:01:19,000
Speaker 2: a little backwards on where ANIL is best served. So

1102
01:01:19,080 --> 01:01:21,240
Speaker 2: a lot of people thought initially it would be best

1103
01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:25,040
Speaker 2: served in recruiting players. But the way it's worked out

1104
01:01:25,040 --> 01:01:28,960
Speaker 2: with the transfer portal, NIL works better to keep players.

1105
01:01:29,600 --> 01:01:30,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree.

1106
01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:33,360
Speaker 2: So you sort of your season is done, and then

1107
01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:37,400
Speaker 2: you evaluate because everyone seems anxious, like if it didn't

1108
01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:39,880
Speaker 2: work out this year, you know, I'm going to go

1109
01:01:39,960 --> 01:01:42,200
Speaker 2: somewhere else. It's gonna work better elsewhere. You know that

1110
01:01:42,360 --> 01:01:45,760
Speaker 2: just sort of the mindset. So the evaluation of your talent.

1111
01:01:45,960 --> 01:01:48,800
Speaker 2: I think this is really what Nick Saban was talking about, right.

1112
01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:52,080
Speaker 2: So in the immediate aftermath of They're lost to Michigan

1113
01:01:52,160 --> 01:01:56,480
Speaker 2: and the National semi, you know, players are basically talking about, well,

1114
01:01:56,800 --> 01:01:59,680
Speaker 2: I'm going to need this to stay. But that's part

1115
01:01:59,720 --> 01:02:02,600
Speaker 2: of the game now, and so if you're using your

1116
01:02:02,720 --> 01:02:06,920
Speaker 2: NIL properly, it's to maintain talent. I look back a

1117
01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:10,200
Speaker 2: couple of years ago with UCLA, they had this basketball

1118
01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:12,520
Speaker 2: where they had Haimi Hakkas and Tiger Campbell, and they

1119
01:02:12,520 --> 01:02:14,959
Speaker 2: had this veteran group that they were able to hold

1120
01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:19,120
Speaker 2: together for several years and they reaped the benefits with

1121
01:02:19,160 --> 01:02:22,160
Speaker 2: three straight trips of the Sweet sixteen. And so that's

1122
01:02:22,320 --> 01:02:24,320
Speaker 2: that's how you do it. I mean, it's it's a

1123
01:02:24,320 --> 01:02:28,360
Speaker 2: lot of work because you just because you say, all right,

1124
01:02:28,440 --> 01:02:30,960
Speaker 2: we want to keep you and we're going to work

1125
01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:33,280
Speaker 2: out an anil deal doesn't mean they're going to stay

1126
01:02:33,440 --> 01:02:33,880
Speaker 2: well well.

1127
01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:37,840
Speaker 1: And also you got to remember in the interim you need.

1128
01:02:37,600 --> 01:02:41,560
Speaker 2: To win, like so exactly, and that gives you credibility

1129
01:02:41,600 --> 01:02:42,680
Speaker 2: to get guys to stay.

1130
01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:45,840
Speaker 1: Yeah. So so in the in the interests of this

1131
01:02:45,840 --> 01:02:48,960
Speaker 1: this thought exercise, I mean, which I agree with everything

1132
01:02:49,000 --> 01:02:53,000
Speaker 1: you're saying, but like you also need to have early success.

1133
01:02:53,040 --> 01:02:56,120
Speaker 1: So say, I don't know name it. You're okay, I'll

1134
01:02:56,120 --> 01:02:58,120
Speaker 1: give you an example because we were just talking about it,

1135
01:02:58,160 --> 01:03:02,320
Speaker 1: your Dusty May. Yeah, you just transformed a mid major

1136
01:03:02,480 --> 01:03:07,880
Speaker 1: like FAU into now an annual March contender. Correct, The

1137
01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:10,400
Speaker 1: Owls got to the final four last year. There were

1138
01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:13,520
Speaker 1: first round bounds this year, but they were tournament bounds.

1139
01:03:13,520 --> 01:03:16,080
Speaker 1: So he's taken the Owls and he turned them into

1140
01:03:16,160 --> 01:03:21,000
Speaker 1: a more nationally relevant team from a bottom dwell or

1141
01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:23,200
Speaker 1: a sub five hundred team even in their own conference.

1142
01:03:23,280 --> 01:03:27,560
Speaker 1: Not successful. Okay, So he comes to Michigan, he's gonna

1143
01:03:27,600 --> 01:03:31,480
Speaker 1: have to completely change his practices. He's going to have

1144
01:03:31,600 --> 01:03:36,120
Speaker 1: to start expanding the scope of his search for transfer

1145
01:03:36,160 --> 01:03:39,920
Speaker 1: portal players to the elite of the elite. And the

1146
01:03:39,960 --> 01:03:42,960
Speaker 1: reason why is because he needs to have an impact immediately.

1147
01:03:43,720 --> 01:03:47,040
Speaker 1: So what's going to work for year one for Dusty

1148
01:03:47,080 --> 01:03:50,680
Speaker 1: may may not sustain him for year two, three, and four.

1149
01:03:51,000 --> 01:03:53,959
Speaker 1: He's gonna have to also then go down the route

1150
01:03:54,040 --> 01:03:57,000
Speaker 1: of finding some of these lesser heralded players that he

1151
01:03:57,040 --> 01:04:01,200
Speaker 1: can develop in the background while he fills up his

1152
01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:05,200
Speaker 1: front court and his back cart, which stars to begin

1153
01:04:05,280 --> 01:04:08,360
Speaker 1: his tenure at Michigan, because if he doesn't win immediately

1154
01:04:08,400 --> 01:04:12,320
Speaker 1: at Michigan, it will be a short leash. That's how

1155
01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:15,720
Speaker 1: this works. Now. It's not, hey, you know he's building

1156
01:04:15,760 --> 01:04:17,520
Speaker 1: a program. We're gonna give him a couple of years.

1157
01:04:17,600 --> 01:04:21,280
Speaker 1: It's hey, we're Michigan. Our expectation is to win, and

1158
01:04:21,480 --> 01:04:23,760
Speaker 1: like it or not, you haven't won over the first

1159
01:04:23,800 --> 01:04:27,120
Speaker 1: two seasons. So we're gonna happily pay that exit clause

1160
01:04:27,360 --> 01:04:30,320
Speaker 1: and we're gonna go fish with somebody else. And so

1161
01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:32,960
Speaker 1: he's going to have to and this is true for

1162
01:04:33,040 --> 01:04:37,040
Speaker 1: every coach who's taking over a position at a major university,

1163
01:04:37,440 --> 01:04:39,960
Speaker 1: a team, whether they're a blue blood or they're just

1164
01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:42,440
Speaker 1: a contender in their conference, and it's a main conference

1165
01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:46,000
Speaker 1: in college basketball, you better have a plan how to

1166
01:04:46,560 --> 01:04:50,400
Speaker 1: win right away and then how to transition into what

1167
01:04:50,520 --> 01:04:55,160
Speaker 1: we're talking about, which is a developmental program that has

1168
01:04:55,200 --> 01:04:59,200
Speaker 1: a flood of four year and three year and in

1169
01:04:59,200 --> 01:05:02,280
Speaker 1: some cases fifth and sixt year players who can help

1170
01:05:02,360 --> 01:05:04,240
Speaker 1: carry the maturity of the team as well.

1171
01:05:04,280 --> 01:05:05,919
Speaker 3: You gotta have those guys, yep.

1172
01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:07,000
Speaker 1: You have to yep.

1173
01:05:07,280 --> 01:05:10,400
Speaker 2: And if you don't have them, as cal Perry is

1174
01:05:10,440 --> 01:05:13,120
Speaker 2: finding out, you're gonna get a bit left behind because

1175
01:05:13,160 --> 01:05:15,520
Speaker 2: more and more schools are able to pull that off.

1176
01:05:15,560 --> 01:05:19,600
Speaker 2: And then again, if you have some success all of

1177
01:05:19,600 --> 01:05:22,520
Speaker 2: a sudden, when you're going after those transfers and that

1178
01:05:22,600 --> 01:05:24,360
Speaker 2: portal at San Diego.

1179
01:05:24,040 --> 01:05:26,280
Speaker 3: State was able to do, he got credibility.

1180
01:05:26,920 --> 01:05:29,120
Speaker 2: Yes, all of a sudden, they say, all right, hey,

1181
01:05:29,200 --> 01:05:31,800
Speaker 2: who doesn't want to live in San Diego, especially at

1182
01:05:31,800 --> 01:05:34,960
Speaker 2: a program. You head out to their Viejas Arena, it's

1183
01:05:35,040 --> 01:05:37,560
Speaker 2: packed with fans, they're into it.

1184
01:05:37,560 --> 01:05:39,960
Speaker 3: It's a selling card. So it can be done.

1185
01:05:40,040 --> 01:05:44,040
Speaker 2: But again, I think your whole comment about some of

1186
01:05:44,080 --> 01:05:47,200
Speaker 2: these elite schools, and Bill self is talking about it

1187
01:05:47,280 --> 01:05:50,720
Speaker 2: after they're embarrassing lost against Zaga. They only had eight

1188
01:05:50,760 --> 01:05:53,960
Speaker 2: scholarship players at the end of the season. We got

1189
01:05:54,000 --> 01:05:57,240
Speaker 2: to get more players here. So you know, you're Kentucky

1190
01:05:57,360 --> 01:06:00,440
Speaker 2: or Kansas, you're North Carolina, you do just well, we

1191
01:06:00,560 --> 01:06:01,920
Speaker 2: just we just drop our name.

1192
01:06:01,960 --> 01:06:04,000
Speaker 3: They're all coming. Uh uh. That's not the way it

1193
01:06:04,040 --> 01:06:04,800
Speaker 3: works anymore.

1194
01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:07,680
Speaker 2: So it's gonna be interesting to see as we're going

1195
01:06:07,720 --> 01:06:11,320
Speaker 2: through this process right now, this transformation of college sports.

1196
01:06:11,320 --> 01:06:13,919
Speaker 3: All right, let's find out what is trending right now.

1197
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:17,200
Speaker 2: Kevin ware is back right now, and well we got

1198
01:06:17,200 --> 01:06:18,560
Speaker 2: a lot of March madness.

1199
01:06:18,560 --> 01:06:20,360
Speaker 8: Oh yeah, keev March madness action.

1200
01:06:20,400 --> 01:06:22,760
Speaker 7: We're in the second game of the day, top seeded

1201
01:06:22,800 --> 01:06:25,720
Speaker 7: Purdue facing eight seeded Utah State, and it's the boil

1202
01:06:25,800 --> 01:06:28,280
Speaker 7: Makers in front right now, thirty eight to twenty four.

1203
01:06:28,800 --> 01:06:33,120
Speaker 7: Three minutes ago before halftime is Zachie eighty fourteen points

1204
01:06:33,120 --> 01:06:36,240
Speaker 7: and ten rebounds already, so not even throw a half

1205
01:06:36,240 --> 01:06:39,080
Speaker 7: of basketball. He's already got himself a double double, three

1206
01:06:39,080 --> 01:06:41,760
Speaker 7: assists ago as well in two blocks, so he's having

1207
01:06:41,840 --> 01:06:45,880
Speaker 7: himself an outstanding performance. And you toss Skate really struggling

1208
01:06:45,880 --> 01:06:48,440
Speaker 7: from the field just nine to twenty nine, four thirteen

1209
01:06:49,040 --> 01:06:51,040
Speaker 7: from a three point ranger, even two of five from

1210
01:06:51,080 --> 01:06:53,160
Speaker 7: the Charity Stripes, so and not a good shooting day

1211
01:06:53,560 --> 01:06:56,400
Speaker 7: overall for the Aggies. The first game of the day

1212
01:06:56,680 --> 01:06:59,800
Speaker 7: a much higher scoring affair as Marquette holds off tense

1213
01:07:00,080 --> 01:07:02,800
Speaker 7: did Colorado eighty one to seventy seven, the Golden Eagle

1214
01:07:02,840 --> 01:07:06,560
Speaker 7: shooting over sixty one percent from the field as they

1215
01:07:06,640 --> 01:07:10,960
Speaker 7: advanced to the Sweet sixteen in the South Region. As

1216
01:07:11,000 --> 01:07:13,440
Speaker 7: for actually coming up later today at five point fifteen

1217
01:07:13,480 --> 01:07:16,880
Speaker 7: will be the next game between the Battle of Duke's

1218
01:07:17,280 --> 01:07:20,040
Speaker 7: for Duke and twelfth seeded James Madison will be go

1219
01:07:20,040 --> 01:07:22,600
Speaker 7: in at five fifteen. At six ten, it'll be third

1220
01:07:22,600 --> 01:07:26,280
Speaker 7: seeded Baylor facing six seeded Clemson, and then seven to ten,

1221
01:07:26,360 --> 01:07:30,360
Speaker 7: fourth seeded Alabama will face twelfth seeded Grand Canyon. On

1222
01:07:30,480 --> 01:07:33,280
Speaker 7: the women's side of things, two games have gone finals,

1223
01:07:33,360 --> 01:07:36,040
Speaker 7: seventh seeded Duke with the win against second seed at

1224
01:07:36,040 --> 01:07:39,440
Speaker 7: Ohio State seventy five to sixty three. The Blue Devils

1225
01:07:39,800 --> 01:07:42,800
Speaker 7: trailing by double digits. They were down ten after the

1226
01:07:42,840 --> 01:07:45,280
Speaker 7: first quarter. They were shooting like twenty one percent two

1227
01:07:45,320 --> 01:07:47,520
Speaker 7: at that point, but they really heated up, got themselves

1228
01:07:47,520 --> 01:07:49,400
Speaker 7: to fifty one percent for the game and were able

1229
01:07:49,400 --> 01:07:52,160
Speaker 7: to win by double digits. Top seed in South Carolina

1230
01:07:52,200 --> 01:07:56,080
Speaker 7: goes to thirty four to zero on the season, and man,

1231
01:07:56,120 --> 01:07:58,640
Speaker 7: they looked like an undefeated team against North Carolina eighty

1232
01:07:58,680 --> 01:08:02,480
Speaker 7: eight to forty one, the final score. A couple of

1233
01:08:02,520 --> 01:08:05,760
Speaker 7: games in action right now, third seed at LSU on

1234
01:08:05,840 --> 01:08:09,040
Speaker 7: top of eleven seed at Middle Tennessee twenty to fifteen.

1235
01:08:10,600 --> 01:08:14,520
Speaker 7: As Kim Moulk seems to not be too distracted right now.

1236
01:08:14,760 --> 01:08:17,360
Speaker 7: She had threatened to sue The Washington Post over an

1237
01:08:17,400 --> 01:08:20,240
Speaker 7: unpublished piece that she called quote a hit piece, And

1238
01:08:20,720 --> 01:08:22,679
Speaker 7: certainly she's got her team in action though right now

1239
01:08:23,000 --> 01:08:26,880
Speaker 7: up by nine for seed a Kansas State, leading or

1240
01:08:26,960 --> 01:08:30,639
Speaker 7: trailing fifth seed in Colorado forty one to thirty nine.

1241
01:08:30,680 --> 01:08:33,400
Speaker 7: They've got four and a half minutes to go in

1242
01:08:33,760 --> 01:08:37,519
Speaker 7: the third quarter. And in other college basketball news, Michigan

1243
01:08:37,640 --> 01:08:40,200
Speaker 7: is named Florida Lane. Heead coach Justty May the new

1244
01:08:40,240 --> 01:08:42,240
Speaker 7: coach of their program. So he'll be there on a

1245
01:08:42,280 --> 01:08:45,519
Speaker 7: five year contract worth an average a three and three

1246
01:08:45,640 --> 01:08:47,639
Speaker 7: quarters million a year.

1247
01:08:47,920 --> 01:08:51,240
Speaker 3: At you guys, it's a lot of money. Oh yeah,

1248
01:08:51,920 --> 01:08:54,880
Speaker 3: it's a lot of money. It's a lot of money.

1249
01:08:54,920 --> 01:08:58,040
Speaker 7: I'd like to make three three quarters million. I bet, yeah, right,

1250
01:08:58,080 --> 01:08:59,960
Speaker 7: I bet not bad if you can get it right.

1251
01:09:00,200 --> 01:09:02,960
Speaker 2: Get in line with everybody else out there. Thank you

1252
01:09:03,040 --> 01:09:05,000
Speaker 2: very much, Kevin. We'll check in with you a little

1253
01:09:05,000 --> 01:09:09,400
Speaker 2: bit later on. I want to switch gears very quickly here, Richie,

1254
01:09:09,400 --> 01:09:11,040
Speaker 2: because well, you know that's what I do.

1255
01:09:11,400 --> 01:09:11,679
Speaker 1: Sure.

1256
01:09:12,720 --> 01:09:14,839
Speaker 3: So yesterday Adam Kaplan joined.

1257
01:09:14,640 --> 01:09:17,320
Speaker 2: Us on our show with Monsey and I hadn't talked

1258
01:09:17,360 --> 01:09:21,000
Speaker 2: a little NFL, you know, since the Whirlwind. Remember last

1259
01:09:21,040 --> 01:09:24,840
Speaker 2: Sunday you and I engaged in breaking down every single

1260
01:09:24,920 --> 01:09:28,760
Speaker 2: quarterback of the NFL for all thirty two teams, yep.

1261
01:09:30,760 --> 01:09:33,040
Speaker 2: And you know we're trying to figure out like who's

1262
01:09:33,040 --> 01:09:35,840
Speaker 2: in good shape and who's not in good shape. So

1263
01:09:36,000 --> 01:09:38,360
Speaker 2: yesterday I was talking to Adam Kaplan. You might find

1264
01:09:38,360 --> 01:09:41,680
Speaker 2: this interesting. I asked him, So, what team do you

1265
01:09:41,760 --> 01:09:46,480
Speaker 2: believe helped themselves the most in terms of the quarterback

1266
01:09:46,520 --> 01:09:50,880
Speaker 2: position with this flory of free agent activity? And he says, well,

1267
01:09:50,920 --> 01:09:52,840
Speaker 2: a lot of people will be surprised by this, but

1268
01:09:52,880 --> 01:09:58,800
Speaker 2: I do believe it's the Steelers. And I didn't agree

1269
01:09:58,840 --> 01:10:01,439
Speaker 2: with everything he had to say. To be honest with you,

1270
01:10:02,000 --> 01:10:04,400
Speaker 2: although I do find it pretty interesting that it's leaking

1271
01:10:04,439 --> 01:10:07,280
Speaker 2: out there that if they got a short leash on

1272
01:10:07,439 --> 01:10:09,800
Speaker 2: Russell Wilson, because let's face it, they didn't.

1273
01:10:09,520 --> 01:10:10,160
Speaker 3: Pay him much.

1274
01:10:10,600 --> 01:10:13,559
Speaker 2: I mean, they may say, yeah, we guarantee you, Russell,

1275
01:10:13,600 --> 01:10:16,920
Speaker 2: you'll be our opening game quarterback. You just may not

1276
01:10:16,960 --> 01:10:19,400
Speaker 2: be our second game quarterback now that we got justin

1277
01:10:19,439 --> 01:10:22,080
Speaker 2: Fields in the toe. But then I asked them about

1278
01:10:22,080 --> 01:10:26,000
Speaker 2: the Vikings and the Broncos, because you have two teams

1279
01:10:26,400 --> 01:10:29,639
Speaker 2: that got rid of veteran quarterbacks, one by choice, one

1280
01:10:29,720 --> 01:10:31,559
Speaker 2: not by choice. They just got out bid by the

1281
01:10:31,560 --> 01:10:35,479
Speaker 2: Atlanta Falcons in the Kirk Cousins situation, and right now

1282
01:10:35,520 --> 01:10:40,479
Speaker 2: they are sitting with let's see here, let's see the

1283
01:10:40,560 --> 01:10:47,760
Speaker 2: Vikings have got Sam Darnol and the Broncos have Jared Stidham.

1284
01:10:48,600 --> 01:10:51,080
Speaker 2: So you're looking at the draft right now, and we

1285
01:10:51,160 --> 01:10:55,600
Speaker 2: look at the Bears, assuming it's Caleb Williams, the commanders

1286
01:10:55,640 --> 01:10:57,480
Speaker 2: with Jade and Daniels.

1287
01:10:57,520 --> 01:11:01,760
Speaker 1: Well, hang on, because the command have mentioned, or at

1288
01:11:01,840 --> 01:11:05,639
Speaker 1: very least I shouldn't say the commander, the recent reports

1289
01:11:05,720 --> 01:11:07,800
Speaker 1: are that they may be looking to move off of

1290
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Speaker 1: number two.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'm glad you mentioned that, because that's where I

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Speaker 2: was going to go with this. So if the Bears

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Speaker 2: stay at number one, remember the Bears also have the

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Speaker 2: ninth overall pick in this draft. But the Commanders, the

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Speaker 2: Patriots reportedly are suddenly in play, as are the Arizona Cardins.

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Speaker 2: We just assume, you know, Bears are set the top

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Speaker 2: three teams got rid of their quarterbacks, so they obviously

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Speaker 2: are drafting quarterbacks right right, But maybe they aren't all

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Speaker 2: that wild about Jaden Daniels and Drake may So if

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Speaker 2: you're the Vikings, are the Broncos because I asked him

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Speaker 2: about he said he thought JJ McCarthy falls to eleven.

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Speaker 3: To the Vikings that I'm thinking, no, he doesn't. There's

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Speaker 3: no way.

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Speaker 2: There's too many teams in desperate need of quarterbacks that

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Speaker 2: are going to overreach and move off to try to

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Speaker 2: get one of those quarterbacks. So what are you hearing

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Speaker 2: right now in terms of the Commanders, the Patriots, the Cardinals,

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Speaker 2: the Chargers, the Giants, some of these teams at the

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Speaker 2: top of this draft listening to people willing to trade down?

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Speaker 1: What am I hearing? All Right, Well, I'll tell you

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Speaker 1: what I'm feeling before I tell you what I'm hearing

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Speaker 1: what I'm what I'm hearing from what I'm feeling from

1313
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Speaker 1: this draft is that some of these quarterbacks are being overinflated.

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Speaker 1: I understand that this is a heavy quarterback draft and

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Speaker 1: that there's going to be certainly interested in taking many

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Speaker 1: of these quarterbacks in the first round, but also there

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Speaker 1: there's a limited number at a couple of other specifically

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Speaker 1: important positions that we haven't spoken about as much, like

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Speaker 1: offensive line, offensive tackles, specifically edge rusher, corner. And so

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Speaker 1: if all of a sudden there is a run on

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Speaker 1: edge rusher edge rushers early in the first round unexpectedly,

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Speaker 1: are we positive that some of these quarterback needy teams

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Speaker 1: aren't going to see the pick before them and be

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Speaker 1: influenced about who they actually need. More So, I'm not

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Speaker 1: sold that we're gonna see five quarterbacks taken in the

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Speaker 1: in the top ten. I'm just not. I know, there's

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Speaker 1: a lot of mock drafts that will lead you to

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Speaker 1: believe that four or five quarterbacks are going and it's

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Speaker 1: guaranteed because all these teams need quarterbacks. How often do

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Speaker 1: we see a quarterback needy team, you know, find their

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Speaker 1: way picking somebody else and then trading back into the

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Speaker 1: first round if a quarterback drops and you know they're

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Speaker 1: more of a value spot to select them at, or

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01:13:46,360 --> 01:13:49,120
Speaker 1: a quarterback who everybody's hot on all of a sudden

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Speaker 1: slides into the second round. It happens every single year,

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Speaker 1: but we all fall under this spell that every quarterback

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Speaker 1: on the on the board is going to be taken. Also,

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Speaker 1: I think more of these teams are going to move

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Speaker 1: out of these top positions, like the Commanders are the

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Speaker 1: first one in the top. You know two or three

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Speaker 1: that we've heard interested in moving down. But what about

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Speaker 1: the Patriots. I mean, during Bill Belichick's era as both

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Speaker 1: the head coach and general manager, you know, it was

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Speaker 1: commonplace that Bill would trade down out of the first

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Speaker 1: round and have a bevy of mid round draft picks

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Speaker 1: to use at his disposal, or package those picks to

1347
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Speaker 1: trade for players, etc. Etc. Girod Mayo obviously fell off

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Speaker 1: of that coaching tree. Elliott, they're acting general manager, fell

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Speaker 1: off that coaching tree. They've kept a lot of the

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Speaker 1: same people in house. So there's nothing about the most

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Speaker 1: recent pass of the Patriots that would lead me to

1352
01:14:48,080 --> 01:14:51,839
Speaker 1: believe that their short fire a guaranteed. Locke to select

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Speaker 1: a quarterback. So what I'm hearing is more and more

1354
01:14:56,040 --> 01:14:59,400
Speaker 1: conversation about how some of these top seeds in the

1355
01:14:59,479 --> 01:15:02,680
Speaker 1: draft are going to move down to lower draft positions

1356
01:15:03,040 --> 01:15:07,160
Speaker 1: and potentially try to find either a quarterback or another

1357
01:15:07,280 --> 01:15:11,799
Speaker 1: positionally specific valuable player to their system to bolster their roster.

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Speaker 1: And I don't know if there's necessarily going to be

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01:15:15,320 --> 01:15:17,920
Speaker 1: as hot of a run on quarterbacks as everybody presumes.

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Speaker 2: It's interesting now that I mean some of the people

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Speaker 2: and I'm not going to mention names, but guys that

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Speaker 2: you and I have interviewed many times over the years,

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01:15:28,040 --> 01:15:31,000
Speaker 2: you know, we respect their opinion in terms of the

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Speaker 2: draft personnel.

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Speaker 3: In the NFL. One guy has got the first four

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Speaker 3: picks quarterbacks.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not happening that way. I'm promising you.

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Speaker 2: Not unless in fact, he has the Vikings moving up

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01:15:42,680 --> 01:15:46,839
Speaker 2: to the four slot with Arizona to take JJ McCarthy.

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Speaker 1: And that's my thing. The only way, which, by the way,

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Speaker 1: I don't think anybody is going to trade up to

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Speaker 1: number four overall to pick up JJ McCarty.

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Speaker 3: I don't either. See I watch that and I'm like, it's.

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Speaker 1: It's look a lot of these draft analysts. They're very

1375
01:16:00,160 --> 01:16:01,800
Speaker 1: at what they do, but they get caught up in

1376
01:16:01,840 --> 01:16:04,559
Speaker 1: the hype also, And I feel for them because a

1377
01:16:04,560 --> 01:16:07,439
Speaker 1: lot of them take this very seriously and then they

1378
01:16:07,479 --> 01:16:09,920
Speaker 1: feel bad when they miss on these But I think

1379
01:16:10,000 --> 01:16:12,679
Speaker 1: everybody's under this spell. I was just talking about that

1380
01:16:12,760 --> 01:16:15,400
Speaker 1: every team who needs a quarterback is going to draft

1381
01:16:15,400 --> 01:16:17,880
Speaker 1: a quarterback, and there's no other way to look at it.

1382
01:16:17,960 --> 01:16:19,880
Speaker 1: I promise you, if all of a sudden there's a

1383
01:16:19,960 --> 01:16:23,240
Speaker 1: run on tackle or edge rusher or corner early in

1384
01:16:23,280 --> 01:16:26,519
Speaker 1: this draft, some of these quarterbacks may fall to the twenties.

1385
01:16:26,960 --> 01:16:27,360
Speaker 1: All right.

1386
01:16:27,720 --> 01:16:29,400
Speaker 2: Coming up on the other side, we'll get back to

1387
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Speaker 2: March Madness. By the way, just for the record, we're

1388
01:16:32,720 --> 01:16:35,120
Speaker 2: a month away from the NFL Draft, So in the

1389
01:16:35,160 --> 01:16:37,479
Speaker 2: week say, we promise you we're gonna have a lot

1390
01:16:37,960 --> 01:16:40,800
Speaker 2: of NFL Draft coverage. But in the meantime, how is

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Speaker 2: this all gonna shake out in terms of the Sweet

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Speaker 2: sixteen and who is the true Cinderella remaining in this tournament?

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Speaker 3: We'll break it down.

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Speaker 2: This is Fox Sports Sunday, Steve Harvey, Rich Harnberger, Fox

1395
01:16:53,120 --> 01:16:56,280
Speaker 2: Sports Sunday. We're live from the tai Iraq dot Com studios,

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01:16:56,720 --> 01:17:00,759
Speaker 2: the craziness of March madness right opset scalaw a double

1397
01:17:00,840 --> 01:17:02,360
Speaker 2: digit seeds all over them.

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Speaker 3: So I'm looking at the remaining games here, and by

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01:17:05,439 --> 01:17:09,000
Speaker 3: the way, Perdue now has a sixteen point lead at

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Speaker 3: the half against Utah State, so it looks like the

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Speaker 3: one seed boiler Makers are moving on. I'm looking at

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01:17:15,200 --> 01:17:16,719
Speaker 3: the remaining games today, rich.

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01:17:18,800 --> 01:17:22,759
Speaker 2: And if the the better seed wins all six remaining

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01:17:22,800 --> 01:17:27,280
Speaker 2: games out of all seven county Perdue, the lowest seed

1405
01:17:27,320 --> 01:17:29,280
Speaker 2: we would have in the sweet sixteen would be a

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01:17:29,280 --> 01:17:30,160
Speaker 2: five seed.

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01:17:31,400 --> 01:17:32,920
Speaker 3: Gonzag and San Diego State.

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01:17:33,800 --> 01:17:34,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's accurate.

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01:17:35,960 --> 01:17:38,719
Speaker 2: We are looking at the real possibility in the west

1410
01:17:40,320 --> 01:17:47,000
Speaker 2: of the top four seeds already in is North Carolina Arizona.

1411
01:17:47,360 --> 01:17:49,639
Speaker 2: We got the three seed Baylor taking on the sixth

1412
01:17:49,640 --> 01:17:52,960
Speaker 2: seed Clemson, and Alabama trying to avoid the upset against

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01:17:53,000 --> 01:17:56,800
Speaker 2: the twelve seed Grand Canyon. So the lowest seed remaining

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01:17:57,400 --> 01:17:59,800
Speaker 2: would be San Diego State. If they beat it would

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01:17:59,800 --> 01:18:03,120
Speaker 2: be a five seed, and obviously Gonzaga is a five seed.

1416
01:18:03,439 --> 01:18:07,160
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm sorry, there's one exception. NC State, the eleven seed.

1417
01:18:07,360 --> 01:18:08,280
Speaker 1: Oh, that would be.

1418
01:18:08,240 --> 01:18:10,400
Speaker 2: That would be the only one, but I mean, otherwise

1419
01:18:10,520 --> 01:18:12,479
Speaker 2: it would be I mean if you're top four seed,

1420
01:18:12,479 --> 01:18:15,280
Speaker 2: obviously you're predicted to make it to the Sweet sixteen.

1421
01:18:15,920 --> 01:18:18,479
Speaker 2: So with all the craziness that we've seen this week,

1422
01:18:18,800 --> 01:18:21,559
Speaker 2: by the end of the week, we could have a

1423
01:18:21,640 --> 01:18:24,960
Speaker 2: pretty standard Sweet sixteen.

1424
01:18:25,520 --> 01:18:26,320
Speaker 3: And I don't think.

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01:18:26,200 --> 01:18:29,439
Speaker 2: That's a bad thing, because a lot of times we

1426
01:18:29,479 --> 01:18:33,880
Speaker 2: get Sweet sixteen matchups, we've had some far fetched Cinderella

1427
01:18:33,960 --> 01:18:37,920
Speaker 2: team that suddenly is facing a beast and it turns.

1428
01:18:37,640 --> 01:18:39,040
Speaker 3: Out to be a blowout.

1429
01:18:39,760 --> 01:18:42,919
Speaker 2: I think we're going to get a really competitive Sweet sixteen.

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01:18:43,040 --> 01:18:43,720
Speaker 3: I like it this one.

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01:18:43,840 --> 01:18:46,519
Speaker 1: I agree with you. I think from a standpoint of

1432
01:18:46,640 --> 01:18:50,080
Speaker 1: interest in viewership and all that stuff. And I'm not

1433
01:18:50,120 --> 01:18:52,839
Speaker 1: saying that's really all that important to the general public,

1434
01:18:53,680 --> 01:18:58,519
Speaker 1: but you know, specifically, interest is like interest in things

1435
01:18:58,560 --> 01:19:02,120
Speaker 1: like I love the Super because the next day everybody's

1436
01:19:02,160 --> 01:19:04,880
Speaker 1: talking about the Super Bowl. Everybody watched the Super Bowl,

1437
01:19:05,120 --> 01:19:07,759
Speaker 1: and for different reasons. Some people really like the ads,

1438
01:19:07,800 --> 01:19:10,400
Speaker 1: some people really like the halftime show. Some people love

1439
01:19:10,479 --> 01:19:14,080
Speaker 1: the game, or they're specifically tied to one of the

1440
01:19:14,120 --> 01:19:16,280
Speaker 1: teams in the Super Bowl, a huge forty nine Ers

1441
01:19:16,280 --> 01:19:20,240
Speaker 1: fan or a Chiefs fan. I look at holidays similarly.

1442
01:19:20,600 --> 01:19:24,080
Speaker 1: Fourth of July. How is the barbecue. Did you guys

1443
01:19:24,120 --> 01:19:27,360
Speaker 1: watch the fireworks? Like everybody's talking about the same thing

1444
01:19:27,439 --> 01:19:32,439
Speaker 1: the next day. I like March Madness because typically when

1445
01:19:32,479 --> 01:19:36,679
Speaker 1: you have things shakeout where higher seeds and blue bloods

1446
01:19:36,760 --> 01:19:41,120
Speaker 1: make it deeper into the tournament because you know some

1447
01:19:41,280 --> 01:19:43,439
Speaker 1: of the faces, you know some of the names. Less

1448
01:19:43,439 --> 01:19:49,160
Speaker 1: so now with transfer portal and obviously one and done rules,

1449
01:19:49,479 --> 01:19:52,800
Speaker 1: but overall, like those are the teams people have some

1450
01:19:52,880 --> 01:19:56,920
Speaker 1: sort of attachment to, and so more people are interested,

1451
01:19:57,240 --> 01:19:59,559
Speaker 1: which makes it more fun to watch. So I agree

1452
01:19:59,600 --> 01:20:01,080
Speaker 1: with you, I don't. I don't think it's necessarily a

1453
01:20:01,120 --> 01:20:05,320
Speaker 1: bad thing that potentially NC State is the only quote

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01:20:05,360 --> 01:20:08,479
Speaker 1: unquote low seed that advances to the Sweet sixteam.

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01:20:08,600 --> 01:20:11,639
Speaker 2: And I almost don't count NC State because they won

1456
01:20:11,680 --> 01:20:15,599
Speaker 2: the ACC Tournament. I mean, again, what they were able

1457
01:20:15,640 --> 01:20:18,559
Speaker 2: to do winning five games in five days, and we've

1458
01:20:18,600 --> 01:20:20,640
Speaker 2: talked about that Yukon teen to pull it off with

1459
01:20:20,720 --> 01:20:23,200
Speaker 2: her Kemba Walker where they won five games in five

1460
01:20:23,280 --> 01:20:26,000
Speaker 2: days to win the Big East and then end up winning.

1461
01:20:25,680 --> 01:20:27,919
Speaker 3: The NCAA Championship. It's a great story.

1462
01:20:28,200 --> 01:20:30,160
Speaker 2: But I don't look at NC State as some you know,

1463
01:20:30,520 --> 01:20:34,720
Speaker 2: Cinderella team, you know, I mean, they're NC State they've

1464
01:20:34,760 --> 01:20:37,800
Speaker 2: won NCAA championships before, so it's going to be a

1465
01:20:37,840 --> 01:20:40,320
Speaker 2: lot of recognizable schools. But I think that's going to

1466
01:20:40,360 --> 01:20:42,560
Speaker 2: be a real good thing moving forward. All Right, we

1467
01:20:42,640 --> 01:20:44,679
Speaker 2: got much more to get to on the other side,

1468
01:20:44,720 --> 01:20:50,439
Speaker 2: including some NBA news. This is Fox Sports Sunday. How

1469
01:20:50,439 --> 01:20:52,439
Speaker 2: do your brackets look? Are you still alive?

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Speaker 1: I'm not.

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01:20:55,920 --> 01:20:59,760
Speaker 2: My brackets went down hard fairly early. We actually have

1472
01:20:59,880 --> 01:21:03,080
Speaker 2: are in house on air brackets. I don't know if

1473
01:21:03,080 --> 01:21:09,040
Speaker 2: you heard this yesterday, Jonas bragging about being on top.

1474
01:21:09,240 --> 01:21:14,320
Speaker 2: Oh boy, just shamelessly, this effing guy throwing it into

1475
01:21:14,320 --> 01:21:15,400
Speaker 2: the rest of our face.

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01:21:16,120 --> 01:21:17,000
Speaker 1: Jesus Christ.

1477
01:21:17,320 --> 01:21:19,479
Speaker 3: Can I let's make this clear.

1478
01:21:19,800 --> 01:21:22,559
Speaker 8: My back is drenched in sweat. Somebody's got to figure

1479
01:21:22,560 --> 01:21:22,840
Speaker 8: it out.

1480
01:21:22,920 --> 01:21:24,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you, Jonas.

1481
01:21:24,400 --> 01:21:28,360
Speaker 2: Look, whether you have a really good bracket going or

1482
01:21:28,400 --> 01:21:33,200
Speaker 2: a disastrous bracket going has no bearing on any knowledge

1483
01:21:33,280 --> 01:21:34,400
Speaker 2: of college basketball.

1484
01:21:34,680 --> 01:21:37,080
Speaker 8: Do not trust me, do not rely on me.

1485
01:21:38,120 --> 01:21:39,160
Speaker 3: It's all luck.

1486
01:21:40,200 --> 01:21:43,320
Speaker 2: You sit there with your brackets and you say, all right,

1487
01:21:44,360 --> 01:21:46,880
Speaker 2: I mean I picked James Madison and Grand Canyon. I

1488
01:21:46,880 --> 01:21:49,360
Speaker 2: had a couple of twelve seeds that I got nailed, right,

1489
01:21:49,960 --> 01:21:52,800
Speaker 2: But I also what with Sanford, who almost won by

1490
01:21:52,840 --> 01:21:58,479
Speaker 2: the way I had McNee state that wasn't good. But

1491
01:21:58,560 --> 01:22:02,519
Speaker 2: I mean, there's there's no real skill involved in terms

1492
01:22:02,640 --> 01:22:06,080
Speaker 2: of the NCAA tournament brackets. Either luck is on your

1493
01:22:06,240 --> 01:22:07,560
Speaker 2: side or it's not.

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01:22:07,760 --> 01:22:11,760
Speaker 1: Rich. Yeah, I look, here's the deal. If you have

1495
01:22:11,880 --> 01:22:16,080
Speaker 1: a bracket that's still going and you are bragging shamelessly

1496
01:22:16,680 --> 01:22:20,000
Speaker 1: about it, just remember all the years prior to this

1497
01:22:20,080 --> 01:22:24,080
Speaker 1: year and only years ahead if you want any proof

1498
01:22:24,120 --> 01:22:28,599
Speaker 1: that your system or your thought process or anything that

1499
01:22:28,680 --> 01:22:31,679
Speaker 1: you did differently this year outside of beginner's luck. Because

1500
01:22:31,680 --> 01:22:34,960
Speaker 1: occasionally there is that one person who's never filled out

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01:22:35,000 --> 01:22:37,880
Speaker 1: a bracket before, and all of a sudden they're leading

1502
01:22:37,920 --> 01:22:39,920
Speaker 1: the charge of the entire way, and shoot, they may

1503
01:22:39,960 --> 01:22:43,639
Speaker 1: win the whole bracket challenge and they have no idea

1504
01:22:43,760 --> 01:22:46,160
Speaker 1: what they've just done, because they've opened a door to

1505
01:22:46,400 --> 01:22:49,519
Speaker 1: a room that they've never been in before. And that

1506
01:22:49,640 --> 01:22:53,439
Speaker 1: room is the room of pain you are going to.

1507
01:22:53,840 --> 01:22:56,840
Speaker 1: You're going to struggle if you put any of your

1508
01:22:57,000 --> 01:23:01,320
Speaker 1: ego into bracketbuilding, because you're going to lose more than

1509
01:23:01,360 --> 01:23:04,799
Speaker 1: you win. And it's because this isn't in exact science,

1510
01:23:04,840 --> 01:23:08,360
Speaker 1: so much so that I pointed out the statistic to

1511
01:23:08,439 --> 01:23:11,719
Speaker 1: start the show. It is in the nine. I believe

1512
01:23:11,760 --> 01:23:16,880
Speaker 1: it's nine quintillion to one that you will fall up,

1513
01:23:17,000 --> 01:23:18,759
Speaker 1: you will fill out a perfect bracket.

1514
01:23:18,760 --> 01:23:23,519
Speaker 2: Well, it's never happened, right, And you mentioned earlier that

1515
01:23:23,600 --> 01:23:27,280
Speaker 2: you've ever never won a bracket challenge. I actually did

1516
01:23:28,040 --> 01:23:31,920
Speaker 2: in nineteen eighty seven, Oh my god, which was Bob

1517
01:23:32,000 --> 01:23:36,479
Speaker 2: Knight's last NCAA championship. They beat Syracuse in the championship game.

1518
01:23:37,040 --> 01:23:41,400
Speaker 2: And I've had thirty five losing brackets since. Okay, so

1519
01:23:41,520 --> 01:23:47,479
Speaker 2: thirty five years since then of losing plus thirty six oh,

1520
01:23:47,479 --> 01:23:52,360
Speaker 2: there's one one tournament canceled. So yeah, congratulations though, if

1521
01:23:52,360 --> 01:23:54,840
Speaker 2: your brackets are still alive. By the way, we're broadcasting

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1527
01:24:09,720 --> 01:24:13,960
Speaker 2: basketball fans. We always have been, we always will be.

1528
01:24:15,080 --> 01:24:22,000
Speaker 2: But the NBA is a league searching for answers. I

1529
01:24:22,040 --> 01:24:25,240
Speaker 2: saw an interview that Adam Silver did the commissioner, and

1530
01:24:26,439 --> 01:24:28,800
Speaker 2: do you remember the end season tournament we had this year.

1531
01:24:28,920 --> 01:24:33,799
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I don't okay, I do know the Lakers

1532
01:24:33,800 --> 01:24:34,160
Speaker 2: won it.

1533
01:24:34,200 --> 01:24:37,599
Speaker 1: I will say this. The reason why this is a

1534
01:24:37,640 --> 01:24:43,759
Speaker 1: distinct memory for me is I remember I remember the tournament,

1535
01:24:43,920 --> 01:24:47,200
Speaker 1: reaching the semifinals and going, you know what, this actually

1536
01:24:47,320 --> 01:24:51,840
Speaker 1: kind of works, Like I find myself being interested in this,

1537
01:24:52,520 --> 01:24:56,600
Speaker 1: and I think maybe they've incentivized it correctly because the

1538
01:24:56,600 --> 01:24:59,680
Speaker 1: players do appear to be playing hard. And then we

1539
01:24:59,720 --> 01:25:03,720
Speaker 1: got to the final and it became abundantly clear that

1540
01:25:04,680 --> 01:25:07,639
Speaker 1: in the final they can't control a team's gonna give

1541
01:25:07,720 --> 01:25:11,040
Speaker 1: up every single year in the final. Yeah, well, and

1542
01:25:11,080 --> 01:25:13,719
Speaker 1: as it no longer matters, like once the team gets

1543
01:25:13,760 --> 01:25:16,320
Speaker 1: a big lead, the other team is just gonna throw

1544
01:25:16,320 --> 01:25:19,880
Speaker 1: in the towel. Because the guys on the court who

1545
01:25:20,000 --> 01:25:22,880
Speaker 1: need to care the most, obviously are your starting five,

1546
01:25:23,240 --> 01:25:26,240
Speaker 1: and those are the guys who are typically making more

1547
01:25:26,280 --> 01:25:29,400
Speaker 1: money than anybody else, certainly on the team, but also

1548
01:25:29,479 --> 01:25:33,880
Speaker 1: across the league as well. So whether you're they're going

1549
01:25:33,920 --> 01:25:36,920
Speaker 1: to win, whatever it is, five hundred thousand dollars being

1550
01:25:36,920 --> 01:25:39,880
Speaker 1: the winning team or only three hundred thousand or two

1551
01:25:39,960 --> 01:25:43,000
Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars being the losing team, that's chump changed

1552
01:25:43,040 --> 01:25:43,799
Speaker 1: to them anyways.

1553
01:25:43,960 --> 01:25:47,160
Speaker 2: Right, well, here here's the problem again. So you had

1554
01:25:47,560 --> 01:25:50,919
Speaker 2: now the Lakers right now who won the in season tournament.

1555
01:25:51,720 --> 01:25:56,120
Speaker 2: That championship game did not count, so all the other

1556
01:25:56,200 --> 01:26:00,479
Speaker 2: games actually were listed as regular season games, mass rating

1557
01:26:00,479 --> 01:26:05,000
Speaker 2: his tournament games with the exception of the championship game. Right,

1558
01:26:05,880 --> 01:26:07,840
Speaker 2: I'm sure the Lakers will love to have that w

1559
01:26:08,040 --> 01:26:10,840
Speaker 2: right now as they're battling to try to get out

1560
01:26:10,880 --> 01:26:15,240
Speaker 2: of the play in round. Think about this. Since Lebron

1561
01:26:15,400 --> 01:26:20,560
Speaker 2: James arrived to the Lakers, they've either missed the playoffs

1562
01:26:21,400 --> 01:26:26,400
Speaker 2: or been in the play in tournament every year except one.

1563
01:26:26,560 --> 01:26:30,240
Speaker 2: And this is his sixty years a Laker, so just

1564
01:26:30,280 --> 01:26:33,559
Speaker 2: think about that. Obviously, the one exception was the Bubble

1565
01:26:33,640 --> 01:26:35,640
Speaker 2: year where they end up winning in the championship, but

1566
01:26:35,720 --> 01:26:39,400
Speaker 2: in the other five years, including this year, they either

1567
01:26:39,520 --> 01:26:43,840
Speaker 2: missed the playoffs entirely or they're in the playing round

1568
01:26:44,040 --> 01:26:48,599
Speaker 2: trying to qualify for the playoffs with Lebron James. And

1569
01:26:49,720 --> 01:26:52,280
Speaker 2: I heard Adam Silver was being asked about the All

1570
01:26:52,280 --> 01:26:56,439
Speaker 2: Star fiasco, and all of a sudden he's like, well,

1571
01:26:56,479 --> 01:26:59,240
Speaker 2: we're taking with the idea of like a US team

1572
01:26:59,479 --> 01:27:04,519
Speaker 2: versus like international stars, And I'm like stop stop, okay, Okay,

1573
01:27:04,920 --> 01:27:09,120
Speaker 2: that doesn't change the dynamic of the game. If the

1574
01:27:09,200 --> 01:27:11,120
Speaker 2: idea of the game is they just don't want to

1575
01:27:11,160 --> 01:27:14,320
Speaker 2: get hurt, it doesn't matter how you split it up.

1576
01:27:14,920 --> 01:27:17,120
Speaker 3: It's not gonna where you're gonna play.

1577
01:27:17,240 --> 01:27:19,479
Speaker 2: Now, we're gonna play for something because it's a that's

1578
01:27:19,479 --> 01:27:24,559
Speaker 2: what we call the Olympics, right, that's USA versus international teams.

1579
01:27:24,920 --> 01:27:28,439
Speaker 2: So that that idea is not gonna fly. I guess

1580
01:27:28,680 --> 01:27:31,280
Speaker 2: the question is, and Rich you you've been a big,

1581
01:27:31,439 --> 01:27:37,400
Speaker 2: big proponent of less is more and reducing the schedule

1582
01:27:38,320 --> 01:27:41,240
Speaker 2: and instead of just you know, trying to put lipstick

1583
01:27:41,320 --> 01:27:44,240
Speaker 2: on a pig to make it look better. Uh, the

1584
01:27:44,280 --> 01:27:48,880
Speaker 2: All Star Game should die. It's over go where the

1585
01:27:48,960 --> 01:27:51,519
Speaker 2: NFL is? Well, I mean, how do you how do

1586
01:27:51,560 --> 01:27:53,920
Speaker 2: you like the NFL post Pro Bowl? They have a

1587
01:27:54,280 --> 01:27:57,559
Speaker 2: flag game, you know, all these competitions. Did that sit

1588
01:27:57,640 --> 01:28:00,200
Speaker 2: well with you? You know, growing up with the Pro

1589
01:28:00,280 --> 01:28:03,040
Speaker 2: Bowl back in the day and you're old enough to

1590
01:28:03,040 --> 01:28:04,320
Speaker 2: actually remember where.

1591
01:28:04,120 --> 01:28:06,720
Speaker 3: It actually was an actually competitive game.

1592
01:28:07,160 --> 01:28:12,960
Speaker 1: I'll say this about All Star games, Pro Bowls in general.

1593
01:28:13,920 --> 01:28:17,400
Speaker 1: We don't need him anymore. And so they're they're turning

1594
01:28:17,439 --> 01:28:22,440
Speaker 1: into what they should turn into. Which are marketing tools

1595
01:28:22,840 --> 01:28:25,160
Speaker 1: to get kids more interested in sports.

1596
01:28:25,439 --> 01:28:27,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, as celebration of the sport.

1597
01:28:27,360 --> 01:28:29,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I feel like it hasn't gone far off

1598
01:28:29,880 --> 01:28:33,680
Speaker 1: towards that. Like still like you're hearing stories of like

1599
01:28:33,880 --> 01:28:37,320
Speaker 1: Larry Bird trying to encourage the teams to play harder

1600
01:28:37,840 --> 01:28:41,280
Speaker 1: in the in his pregame speech. It was either at

1601
01:28:41,320 --> 01:28:43,679
Speaker 1: a banquet or he went into one of the team's

1602
01:28:43,720 --> 01:28:46,160
Speaker 1: locker rooms, like he was like, you know, guys, like

1603
01:28:46,240 --> 01:28:48,040
Speaker 1: we really got to we owe it to the fans,

1604
01:28:48,040 --> 01:28:50,880
Speaker 1: and blah blah blah, like get lost. I mean, no

1605
01:28:50,920 --> 01:28:53,960
Speaker 1: offense to Larry Bird. It's not his fault. I mean,

1606
01:28:54,000 --> 01:28:56,280
Speaker 1: the NBA probably put him up to it and he

1607
01:28:56,360 --> 01:29:00,320
Speaker 1: agreed to it, or maybe he has a particular bone

1608
01:29:00,360 --> 01:29:04,200
Speaker 1: to pick with the NBA players of today. But the

1609
01:29:04,240 --> 01:29:06,840
Speaker 1: reason why the All Star Game was important when he

1610
01:29:07,000 --> 01:29:09,639
Speaker 1: played was because there were a lot of fans around

1611
01:29:09,680 --> 01:29:12,880
Speaker 1: the country who never got access to Larry Bird, and

1612
01:29:12,960 --> 01:29:15,920
Speaker 1: so for Larry Bird's fame to grow, he needed the

1613
01:29:15,960 --> 01:29:19,280
Speaker 1: All Star Game. It was important to him individually, not

1614
01:29:19,320 --> 01:29:22,560
Speaker 1: just I mean, it's obviously not important to his team

1615
01:29:22,840 --> 01:29:26,800
Speaker 1: because he's sacrificing potentially getting injured during an All Star

1616
01:29:26,840 --> 01:29:29,920
Speaker 1: game to play in an All Star Game as opposed

1617
01:29:29,960 --> 01:29:34,040
Speaker 1: to concentrating on the season at hand. So what's different

1618
01:29:34,880 --> 01:29:38,360
Speaker 1: about these players not playing hard in the All Star

1619
01:29:38,439 --> 01:29:41,920
Speaker 1: Game versus players playing hard in the All Star Game.

1620
01:29:42,320 --> 01:29:46,000
Speaker 1: They're both doing it for the same reasons. Like the

1621
01:29:46,560 --> 01:29:51,720
Speaker 1: NBA player of yesteryear was being selfish playing extremely hard

1622
01:29:51,760 --> 01:29:54,479
Speaker 1: in an All Star Game because if he shows out

1623
01:29:54,520 --> 01:29:57,519
Speaker 1: an All Star Game, he's more famous, more people want

1624
01:29:57,560 --> 01:29:59,360
Speaker 1: him to be a part of their team, he can

1625
01:29:59,400 --> 01:30:02,599
Speaker 1: sign a better contract. It doesn't help the Celtics if

1626
01:30:02,640 --> 01:30:04,840
Speaker 1: Larry Bird has a great showing at the All Star Game,

1627
01:30:05,000 --> 01:30:10,200
Speaker 1: that's selfish. Well, it's selfish for players to spare themselves

1628
01:30:10,280 --> 01:30:12,800
Speaker 1: in an All Star Game, and they're thinking, well, what

1629
01:30:12,840 --> 01:30:14,800
Speaker 1: do I need the All Star Game from outside of

1630
01:30:14,840 --> 01:30:18,240
Speaker 1: the promotional tool. So I'm gonna be on national television.

1631
01:30:18,280 --> 01:30:23,320
Speaker 1: I'm on national television, you know, twenty times a season. Anyway, Yeah,

1632
01:30:23,360 --> 01:30:26,479
Speaker 1: I played basketball in the NBA. Everybody can watch every

1633
01:30:26,640 --> 01:30:30,439
Speaker 1: NBA game all the time, like it doesn't matter anymore.

1634
01:30:30,520 --> 01:30:35,080
Speaker 1: So selfishly, I'm going to spare myself from potentially getting injured,

1635
01:30:35,360 --> 01:30:37,400
Speaker 1: and I'm just gonna run down to half court and

1636
01:30:37,520 --> 01:30:40,280
Speaker 1: heave the ball toward the basket and then we're gonna

1637
01:30:40,400 --> 01:30:44,040
Speaker 1: nobody's gonna play defense. So both of these endeavors were

1638
01:30:44,040 --> 01:30:48,240
Speaker 1: selfish for different reasons. But people really categorize the modern

1639
01:30:48,280 --> 01:30:54,439
Speaker 1: player as being lazy. They're no different than the player

1640
01:30:54,600 --> 01:30:57,400
Speaker 1: of the seventies and eighties and the nineties that you know,

1641
01:30:57,520 --> 01:30:59,599
Speaker 1: especially in the nineties where I grew up and started

1642
01:30:59,600 --> 01:31:04,200
Speaker 1: watching basketball. They're all self interested. It's a part of

1643
01:31:04,240 --> 01:31:07,040
Speaker 1: it now. Obviously they want their team to have success

1644
01:31:07,280 --> 01:31:11,920
Speaker 1: because that'll help their career. But this is a business,

1645
01:31:12,240 --> 01:31:15,160
Speaker 1: so we have to start looking at the All Star

1646
01:31:15,240 --> 01:31:18,360
Speaker 1: Game for exactly what it is. It's a marketing tool

1647
01:31:18,400 --> 01:31:20,760
Speaker 1: for these leagues. So whether it's the Pro Bowl Game

1648
01:31:20,840 --> 01:31:23,120
Speaker 1: or the All Star Game, it doesn't matter. Just make

1649
01:31:23,160 --> 01:31:26,840
Speaker 1: it even more kid friendly, make it even more family friendly.

1650
01:31:27,479 --> 01:31:31,120
Speaker 1: Take away the games altogether, and just make them skills competitions.

1651
01:31:31,320 --> 01:31:33,679
Speaker 1: Those are the most popular parts of All Star weekend

1652
01:31:33,720 --> 01:31:37,799
Speaker 1: and Pro Bowl week anyways. So I don't even understand

1653
01:31:37,800 --> 01:31:41,040
Speaker 1: why we still have this conversation. It doesn't matter. It

1654
01:31:41,120 --> 01:31:44,160
Speaker 1: almost has never mattered in term of the game itself.

1655
01:31:44,479 --> 01:31:47,479
Speaker 1: It's just a promotional tool for the players, so use

1656
01:31:47,520 --> 01:31:48,080
Speaker 1: it as such.

1657
01:31:48,200 --> 01:31:52,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think in the same conversation that Silver

1658
01:31:52,280 --> 01:31:56,960
Speaker 2: was bringing up this USA versus International, It's like, no,

1659
01:31:57,080 --> 01:32:01,000
Speaker 2: that's not gonna work. I think he conceded to the

1660
01:32:01,000 --> 01:32:03,639
Speaker 2: fact that, yeah, we we need to move.

1661
01:32:03,520 --> 01:32:04,000
Speaker 3: On from this.

1662
01:32:04,360 --> 01:32:07,960
Speaker 2: And I think the only All Star Game that is

1663
01:32:08,120 --> 01:32:12,360
Speaker 2: hard to not play is baseball because it's still a

1664
01:32:12,360 --> 01:32:15,960
Speaker 2: pitcher versus a hitter, even though the home run derby

1665
01:32:16,080 --> 01:32:17,800
Speaker 2: has I don't know, and that might have run its

1666
01:32:17,840 --> 01:32:21,440
Speaker 2: course as well, But as far as the actual game itself,

1667
01:32:22,760 --> 01:32:25,840
Speaker 2: he can't really play half speed, right, I mean, a

1668
01:32:25,880 --> 01:32:28,120
Speaker 2: pitcher is still going to I mean they pitch less.

1669
01:32:28,400 --> 01:32:30,400
Speaker 2: You know, they used to be in a Major League

1670
01:32:30,400 --> 01:32:32,479
Speaker 2: Baseball All Star getting the starter would go three innings.

1671
01:32:32,479 --> 01:32:35,479
Speaker 2: Well that's never gonna happen again, and again an inning

1672
01:32:35,640 --> 01:32:38,559
Speaker 2: at the most. But the way the game is played,

1673
01:32:39,600 --> 01:32:42,040
Speaker 2: you know, it's still a pitcher versus a hitter, you know,

1674
01:32:42,160 --> 01:32:45,000
Speaker 2: and and so that that sort of maintains it. But yeah,

1675
01:32:45,320 --> 01:32:48,679
Speaker 2: you know, I'm the NBA playoffs this year I think

1676
01:32:48,680 --> 01:32:53,920
Speaker 2: are actually quite intriguing. The West is wide open. You know,

1677
01:32:54,040 --> 01:32:58,440
Speaker 2: the question there is Denver's the team to beat Clippers

1678
01:32:58,479 --> 01:33:02,559
Speaker 2: with a healthy Kawhi are certainly in the conversation But

1679
01:33:02,600 --> 01:33:05,520
Speaker 2: then you look at Minnesota and you look at OKC,

1680
01:33:06,000 --> 01:33:08,760
Speaker 2: and you're like, are they legit? I mean, they got

1681
01:33:08,800 --> 01:33:11,280
Speaker 2: young stars, are they ready to take that next step?

1682
01:33:11,400 --> 01:33:12,519
Speaker 3: I find it very intriguing.

1683
01:33:12,520 --> 01:33:15,360
Speaker 2: And and then the course of the Celtics just seemingly blowing

1684
01:33:15,400 --> 01:33:16,679
Speaker 2: away the league right now.

1685
01:33:18,400 --> 01:33:20,800
Speaker 3: See I always route against the Celtics'.

1686
01:33:22,640 --> 01:33:22,800
Speaker 1: Help.

1687
01:33:23,360 --> 01:33:25,599
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, especially since they had the same number

1688
01:33:25,600 --> 01:33:26,920
Speaker 2: of championships.

1689
01:33:26,360 --> 01:33:27,040
Speaker 1: As the Lakers.

1690
01:33:27,040 --> 01:33:28,639
Speaker 3: I just don't want to see them break that down.

1691
01:33:28,720 --> 01:33:32,040
Speaker 1: I think if Adam Silver and the league executives who

1692
01:33:32,080 --> 01:33:36,759
Speaker 1: are responsible for decision making with you know, competition committees, whatever,

1693
01:33:37,640 --> 01:33:40,880
Speaker 1: if they spent more time keeping the main thing, the

1694
01:33:40,920 --> 01:33:43,559
Speaker 1: main thing, like how do we make our regular season

1695
01:33:43,880 --> 01:33:48,000
Speaker 1: more impactful and important as opposed to worrying about the

1696
01:33:48,040 --> 01:33:51,400
Speaker 1: All Star Game or an nd season tournament that, like

1697
01:33:51,479 --> 01:33:54,760
Speaker 1: you mentioned, the championship game doesn't even account toward the

1698
01:33:54,760 --> 01:33:57,120
Speaker 1: regular season record, So what did you think was gonna

1699
01:33:57,120 --> 01:34:00,679
Speaker 1: happen in the championship game? It just if they spend

1700
01:34:00,720 --> 01:34:02,960
Speaker 1: more time trying to find ways to make the regular

1701
01:34:02,960 --> 01:34:06,559
Speaker 1: season more compelling instead of trying to find ways to

1702
01:34:06,600 --> 01:34:11,280
Speaker 1: make all these superfluous events more compelling, they would be

1703
01:34:11,360 --> 01:34:15,439
Speaker 1: spending their time better. It's a problem for baseball. It's

1704
01:34:15,439 --> 01:34:18,960
Speaker 1: a problem for the NBA right now. The NFL may

1705
01:34:19,000 --> 01:34:21,320
Speaker 1: catch up at some point if they expand the playoffs

1706
01:34:21,360 --> 01:34:24,800
Speaker 1: any further, potentially with the addition of an eighteenth game,

1707
01:34:24,880 --> 01:34:28,120
Speaker 1: that maybe we'll start seeing load management in the NFL.

1708
01:34:28,200 --> 01:34:31,680
Speaker 1: Who knows, but there's a point of diminishing returns Baseball's

1709
01:34:31,720 --> 01:34:35,080
Speaker 1: past it. The NBA has passed it college basketball to

1710
01:34:35,080 --> 01:34:37,640
Speaker 1: bring us back to March Madness. They've figured out the

1711
01:34:37,680 --> 01:34:41,200
Speaker 1: formula because college basketball, all of those games during the

1712
01:34:41,240 --> 01:34:45,960
Speaker 1: regular season, barring very few, are really important and have

1713
01:34:46,040 --> 01:34:50,720
Speaker 1: an impact on your standing come March. And so the

1714
01:34:50,760 --> 01:34:53,360
Speaker 1: regular season is important in college basketball. If you're a

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01:34:53,360 --> 01:34:56,400
Speaker 1: college basketball fan, you know that. And then the conference

1716
01:34:56,439 --> 01:35:00,240
Speaker 1: tournament with the auto bid system becomes really important. So

1717
01:35:00,280 --> 01:35:04,559
Speaker 1: they've got that figured out. And then also with March Madness,

1718
01:35:04,640 --> 01:35:07,519
Speaker 1: it's single elimination and you're whittling down a field of

1719
01:35:07,800 --> 01:35:10,760
Speaker 1: you know, originally sixty eight all the way down to one.

1720
01:35:10,840 --> 01:35:15,679
Speaker 1: Championship is the most consequential playoff bracket with the widest

1721
01:35:15,680 --> 01:35:18,800
Speaker 1: birth of teams that has ever been conceived in this

1722
01:35:19,160 --> 01:35:23,320
Speaker 1: in American sports, And so they've got to figure it out,

1723
01:35:23,600 --> 01:35:27,920
Speaker 1: so so do something closer to that, or limit the

1724
01:35:28,000 --> 01:35:30,920
Speaker 1: number of regular season games, and you will have a

1725
01:35:30,960 --> 01:35:31,759
Speaker 1: better product.

1726
01:35:32,280 --> 01:35:36,160
Speaker 2: All right, Right now, Purdue blowing out Utah State sixty

1727
01:35:36,240 --> 01:35:40,120
Speaker 2: four to thirty nine. It actually makes sense considering Utah

1728
01:35:40,200 --> 01:35:44,000
Speaker 2: State centers six foot eight going against Zach Edy, and

1729
01:35:44,040 --> 01:35:45,960
Speaker 2: it has played out that well eighty with twenty one

1730
01:35:45,960 --> 01:35:48,400
Speaker 2: points twelve rebounds in that game. The number one seed

1731
01:35:48,439 --> 01:35:50,960
Speaker 2: Perdue looks like they are comfortably going to move on

1732
01:35:51,080 --> 01:35:54,080
Speaker 2: to the sweet sixteen. All right, coming up, I don't

1733
01:35:54,120 --> 01:35:56,200
Speaker 2: know if you know this everyone out there, but this

1734
01:35:56,280 --> 01:35:58,040
Speaker 2: is a big week in the NFL.

1735
01:35:59,080 --> 01:35:59,559
Speaker 3: That's right.

1736
01:35:59,640 --> 01:36:04,000
Speaker 2: The annual league meetings gonna happen, and there's some rule

1737
01:36:04,160 --> 01:36:07,440
Speaker 2: changes that could change the look of the league dramatically.

1738
01:36:08,160 --> 01:36:10,160
Speaker 2: We'll see if riches in favor of some of these

1739
01:36:10,240 --> 01:36:14,719
Speaker 2: rules changes. This is Fox Sports Sunday, seventy two, forty

1740
01:36:14,800 --> 01:36:15,559
Speaker 2: three Perdue.

1741
01:36:15,720 --> 01:36:19,600
Speaker 3: It's over Eta State, no match.

1742
01:36:19,360 --> 01:36:21,519
Speaker 2: For the number one seed Perdue, and they will move

1743
01:36:21,560 --> 01:36:24,120
Speaker 2: on to the Sweet sixteen, even though there's still twelve

1744
01:36:24,120 --> 01:36:24,719
Speaker 2: minutes ago.

1745
01:36:24,640 --> 01:36:25,120
Speaker 3: In the game.

1746
01:36:25,760 --> 01:36:27,880
Speaker 2: By the way, once again, this is Fox Sports Sunday.

1747
01:36:27,920 --> 01:36:30,559
Speaker 2: Steve hartin Rich Ormberger were live from the Tire rack

1748
01:36:30,640 --> 01:36:33,760
Speaker 2: dot Com Studios. Hey, just like in basketball, a successful

1749
01:36:33,880 --> 01:36:37,200
Speaker 2: game plan starts with the right players. The team at

1750
01:36:37,200 --> 01:36:40,719
Speaker 2: Tractor Supply brings hustle and heart and that's what really

1751
01:36:40,760 --> 01:36:43,880
Speaker 2: sets them apart. So lace up your sneakers, make the

1752
01:36:43,920 --> 01:36:48,680
Speaker 2: winning play by heading to your local tractor supply store today.

1753
01:36:49,080 --> 01:36:51,920
Speaker 2: All right, So this week, Rich, the league meetings and

1754
01:36:52,200 --> 01:36:56,040
Speaker 2: rules changes will be on the table. The one that

1755
01:36:56,120 --> 01:36:59,040
Speaker 2: most people will be talking about is something we talked about,

1756
01:36:59,360 --> 01:37:01,960
Speaker 2: but now we finally have the clear idea of what

1757
01:37:02,000 --> 01:37:07,320
Speaker 2: they're talking about, the new NFL hybrid kickoff, and if approved,

1758
01:37:07,400 --> 01:37:09,040
Speaker 2: it'll be there for one year.

1759
01:37:08,920 --> 01:37:10,080
Speaker 3: To see how it works.

1760
01:37:10,840 --> 01:37:15,200
Speaker 2: So long story short, here's how the setup goes, and

1761
01:37:15,280 --> 01:37:20,680
Speaker 2: the idea again is both safety and promoting more returns

1762
01:37:21,280 --> 01:37:23,840
Speaker 2: because there aren't a lot of returns of kickoffs now

1763
01:37:24,080 --> 01:37:26,240
Speaker 2: around the National Football League. So here's how they have

1764
01:37:26,240 --> 01:37:29,360
Speaker 2: it set up. The kicker stands alone, kicking off once

1765
01:37:29,400 --> 01:37:33,080
Speaker 2: again from his own thirty five yard line. Understand this,

1766
01:37:33,320 --> 01:37:35,439
Speaker 2: If he kicks it out of the end zone, the

1767
01:37:35,479 --> 01:37:38,240
Speaker 2: other team gets the ball at the thirty five yard line.

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Speaker 3: Now, Rich, Yeah, So, in.

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01:37:40,920 --> 01:37:43,240
Speaker 2: Other words, the idea that well, I just kicked the

1770
01:37:43,240 --> 01:37:44,680
Speaker 2: ball out of the end zone. They get the ball

1771
01:37:44,680 --> 01:37:47,759
Speaker 2: at the thirty five, not the twenty five, the thirty five,

1772
01:37:48,400 --> 01:37:51,920
Speaker 2: so you don't want to do that. So the kicker

1773
01:37:52,000 --> 01:37:54,280
Speaker 2: is standing alone at his own thirty five yard line

1774
01:37:54,280 --> 01:37:56,920
Speaker 2: to kickoff the rest of his team. The other ten

1775
01:37:56,960 --> 01:37:59,519
Speaker 2: guys are lined up on the other side of midfield

1776
01:37:59,560 --> 01:38:01,920
Speaker 2: at the four yard line, and then five yards in

1777
01:38:01,920 --> 01:38:03,960
Speaker 2: front of them are the other team.

1778
01:38:04,439 --> 01:38:05,759
Speaker 3: They're five yards apart.

1779
01:38:06,040 --> 01:38:08,160
Speaker 2: And then of course you have a return guy, and

1780
01:38:08,200 --> 01:38:11,000
Speaker 2: the return landing area is considered between the goal line

1781
01:38:11,040 --> 01:38:14,120
Speaker 2: and the twenty yard line. If the kickoff lands between

1782
01:38:14,120 --> 01:38:16,320
Speaker 2: the goal line and the twenty yard line, it has.

1783
01:38:16,240 --> 01:38:19,920
Speaker 3: To be returned. Now, here's the deal.

1784
01:38:20,400 --> 01:38:24,200
Speaker 2: Those twenty guys in the middle of the field, none

1785
01:38:24,200 --> 01:38:28,519
Speaker 2: of them can move until the ball actually lands. Now,

1786
01:38:28,520 --> 01:38:31,800
Speaker 2: I think this would be a challenge for the receiving team, right,

1787
01:38:32,280 --> 01:38:36,120
Speaker 2: because you almost have to turn around to see if

1788
01:38:36,160 --> 01:38:40,439
Speaker 2: the ball is caught or lance, because you don't have

1789
01:38:40,479 --> 01:38:43,960
Speaker 2: eyes in the back of your head, right, right, so

1790
01:38:44,000 --> 01:38:46,360
Speaker 2: you'd have to sort of look back to see, all right,

1791
01:38:46,400 --> 01:38:49,320
Speaker 2: he caught the ball. And meanwhile you got guys who

1792
01:38:49,320 --> 01:38:53,000
Speaker 2: are watching the ball in flight and they're only five

1793
01:38:53,080 --> 01:38:57,800
Speaker 2: yards in front of you. I mean you talk about

1794
01:38:57,800 --> 01:39:01,599
Speaker 2: a quick turnaround, it's like I'm looking around, Oh he's boom.

1795
01:39:02,240 --> 01:39:07,839
Speaker 1: Yeah. So it will be safer from a standpoint because

1796
01:39:08,600 --> 01:39:11,280
Speaker 1: the worst you could get run up on is like

1797
01:39:11,360 --> 01:39:14,920
Speaker 1: two or three steps while somebody is exactly generating some

1798
01:39:15,040 --> 01:39:16,839
Speaker 1: momentum coming forward.

1799
01:39:16,960 --> 01:39:18,200
Speaker 3: That's the safety aspect.

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01:39:18,400 --> 01:39:21,240
Speaker 1: The other side of it is you need to somehow

1801
01:39:21,400 --> 01:39:26,400
Speaker 1: give the kicking team some level of advantage here, because

1802
01:39:26,760 --> 01:39:31,760
Speaker 1: if you're gonna give the receiving team, I mean a

1803
01:39:31,800 --> 01:39:35,400
Speaker 1: lot of field position, or you're going to give them

1804
01:39:35,880 --> 01:39:38,559
Speaker 1: the opportunity to really kind of almost like set up

1805
01:39:38,560 --> 01:39:42,919
Speaker 1: an offensive play depending on when the ball has received,

1806
01:39:42,960 --> 01:39:46,160
Speaker 1: how they want to structure their blocking scheme against the

1807
01:39:46,240 --> 01:39:50,000
Speaker 1: tener the ten players who are aligned five yards from them,

1808
01:39:50,040 --> 01:39:53,400
Speaker 1: Like you could see situations where almost like offensive lineman,

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01:39:53,479 --> 01:39:58,479
Speaker 1: you're you're pulling certain on the line return or i

1810
01:39:58,479 --> 01:40:03,880
Speaker 1: should say kick return team players and creating a you know,

1811
01:40:04,200 --> 01:40:08,519
Speaker 1: outnumbering the kicking team up in alley or something like that.

1812
01:40:08,800 --> 01:40:10,839
Speaker 1: I would have to diagram it for it to actually

1813
01:40:10,840 --> 01:40:13,400
Speaker 1: make sense the way I'm thinking about it. But it's

1814
01:40:13,479 --> 01:40:16,559
Speaker 1: like there are so many different ways that this could

1815
01:40:16,840 --> 01:40:20,479
Speaker 1: favor the return team. The one thing that you can

1816
01:40:20,560 --> 01:40:23,680
Speaker 1: really make it so it's difficult for them, or adversity

1817
01:40:23,720 --> 01:40:26,600
Speaker 1: they have to face is having them hold off and

1818
01:40:26,680 --> 01:40:29,240
Speaker 1: almost have to straddle the line while looking back to

1819
01:40:29,280 --> 01:40:32,439
Speaker 1: see that their returner has received the football before they're

1820
01:40:32,479 --> 01:40:33,040
Speaker 1: able to move.

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01:40:33,120 --> 01:40:35,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've seen this play out in the XFL, the

1822
01:40:35,640 --> 01:40:37,479
Speaker 2: where they lineups a little bit different.

1823
01:40:37,520 --> 01:40:38,679
Speaker 3: But here's what happens.

1824
01:40:39,479 --> 01:40:43,120
Speaker 2: So basically, you have twenty guys in the middle field

1825
01:40:43,160 --> 01:40:47,400
Speaker 2: ten on ten. You know, in a scrum situation, if

1826
01:40:47,400 --> 01:40:52,360
Speaker 2: the return guy picks the right hole, he's gone, Oh yeah,

1827
01:40:52,600 --> 01:40:56,600
Speaker 2: the only guy left the kicker. That's it, because everybody

1828
01:40:56,600 --> 01:40:58,719
Speaker 2: else is all bunched up in the middle of the field.

1829
01:40:58,840 --> 01:41:02,320
Speaker 2: So if you can see the hole in that wall

1830
01:41:02,400 --> 01:41:05,040
Speaker 2: in front of you of humanity and you get through,

1831
01:41:05,680 --> 01:41:06,799
Speaker 2: you're off well.

1832
01:41:07,160 --> 01:41:10,160
Speaker 1: And here's another thing. You may start seeing a little

1833
01:41:10,200 --> 01:41:13,400
Speaker 1: bit more because the number of injuries will go down

1834
01:41:13,439 --> 01:41:16,320
Speaker 1: on kickoff kick return. You may see a little more

1835
01:41:16,360 --> 01:41:20,479
Speaker 1: of a commitment by certain teams to put some of

1836
01:41:20,520 --> 01:41:23,920
Speaker 1: the better players on the field during kickoff and kick return.

1837
01:41:24,600 --> 01:41:27,439
Speaker 1: You know, so instead of playing just your snaps on defense,

1838
01:41:27,520 --> 01:41:30,599
Speaker 1: maybe if you're a starting safety, you know you're going

1839
01:41:31,000 --> 01:41:33,280
Speaker 1: and you're a good blitzer for example, which means that

1840
01:41:33,320 --> 01:41:38,479
Speaker 1: you have good point of contact ability to disengage with blockers.

1841
01:41:38,560 --> 01:41:42,240
Speaker 1: Or you're a linebacker, you know who's good on the blitz.

1842
01:41:42,280 --> 01:41:44,240
Speaker 1: I have the line of scrimmage where you can disengage

1843
01:41:44,280 --> 01:41:48,040
Speaker 1: with blockers. Well, think about it. On kickoff coverage, that's

1844
01:41:48,080 --> 01:41:50,000
Speaker 1: what it's going to be. You're running up five yards,

1845
01:41:50,000 --> 01:41:53,080
Speaker 1: you're making contact with someone, not unlike blitzing off the

1846
01:41:53,200 --> 01:41:56,120
Speaker 1: edge and making contact with a running back in the backfield.

1847
01:41:56,360 --> 01:41:59,000
Speaker 1: You defeat that block, you get to the quarterback. Well,

1848
01:41:59,360 --> 01:42:02,120
Speaker 1: in the kickoff coverage game, you defeat that block. You're

1849
01:42:02,120 --> 01:42:05,720
Speaker 1: on your way to tackling the ball returners. So I

1850
01:42:05,760 --> 01:42:10,599
Speaker 1: could see some some NFL head coaches going, hey, we

1851
01:42:10,680 --> 01:42:13,400
Speaker 1: need to get more of our more quality players on

1852
01:42:13,439 --> 01:42:14,920
Speaker 1: the return the kickoff team.

1853
01:42:15,040 --> 01:42:15,519
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1854
01:42:15,560 --> 01:42:18,000
Speaker 2: And again, if you're just gonna kick the ball out

1855
01:42:18,000 --> 01:42:20,880
Speaker 2: of the end zone, thirty five yard line is good

1856
01:42:20,880 --> 01:42:21,559
Speaker 2: field position.

1857
01:42:21,800 --> 01:42:22,720
Speaker 3: You don't want to do that.

1858
01:42:22,960 --> 01:42:25,040
Speaker 2: So this is gonna be interesting to see if this

1859
01:42:25,120 --> 01:42:26,960
Speaker 2: plays out all right. On the other side, I want

1860
01:42:27,000 --> 01:42:30,519
Speaker 2: to get to a couple of other rule possibilities that

1861
01:42:30,600 --> 01:42:32,360
Speaker 2: I find very intriguing.

1862
01:42:32,400 --> 01:42:35,800
Speaker 3: But first let's find out what is trending right now.

1863
01:42:35,880 --> 01:42:39,559
Speaker 2: Kevin Wire has been all over what's been happening in

1864
01:42:39,600 --> 01:42:40,519
Speaker 2: the nca tournament.

1865
01:42:40,560 --> 01:42:43,679
Speaker 3: Although this game right now is blowout city here.

1866
01:42:43,840 --> 01:42:45,080
Speaker 8: Yeah, this one all but over.

1867
01:42:45,120 --> 01:42:48,160
Speaker 7: A thirty two thirty four point lead four per Due

1868
01:42:48,200 --> 01:42:51,920
Speaker 7: against eight seeded Utahs State of zach EATI twenty three points,

1869
01:42:52,000 --> 01:42:56,320
Speaker 7: fourteen rebounds as the boiler Makers on their way. Looks

1870
01:42:56,360 --> 01:42:58,040
Speaker 7: like to the sweet Sis, you have eight and a

1871
01:42:58,080 --> 01:43:01,439
Speaker 7: half minutes to go, but don't see Utah Staatea making

1872
01:43:01,520 --> 01:43:04,800
Speaker 7: up a thirty four point deficit. Now it's actually a

1873
01:43:04,840 --> 01:43:07,280
Speaker 7: thirty six point deficit. Produe just scored eighty four to

1874
01:43:07,320 --> 01:43:10,840
Speaker 7: forty eight. Now eight twenty five to go. In the

1875
01:43:10,880 --> 01:43:13,400
Speaker 7: second half. It was much closer though, in the first

1876
01:43:13,439 --> 01:43:15,800
Speaker 7: game of the day. Second seed in Marquette tenth seed

1877
01:43:15,800 --> 01:43:18,519
Speaker 7: in Colorado, and the Golden Eagles win this behind a

1878
01:43:18,520 --> 01:43:22,599
Speaker 7: strong shooting as a team sixty one percent. They were

1879
01:43:22,640 --> 01:43:25,080
Speaker 7: able to shoot as they get by Colorado eighty one

1880
01:43:25,160 --> 01:43:28,519
Speaker 7: at to seventy seven. On the women's side of things,

1881
01:43:28,560 --> 01:43:30,719
Speaker 7: we've had two games go final. We've got two games

1882
01:43:30,760 --> 01:43:33,360
Speaker 7: in action right now and it's a tight battle between

1883
01:43:33,360 --> 01:43:36,799
Speaker 7: eleventh seed Middle Tennessee and third seed LSU. The Tigers

1884
01:43:36,800 --> 01:43:40,200
Speaker 7: currently up by a point. It's forty four to forty

1885
01:43:40,240 --> 01:43:43,840
Speaker 7: three four minutes ago in the third quarter. They're early

1886
01:43:43,880 --> 01:43:46,559
Speaker 7: in the second quarter in the game featuring third seeded

1887
01:43:46,600 --> 01:43:49,360
Speaker 7: Oregon State and sixth seeded Nebraska, the Beavers leading it

1888
01:43:49,520 --> 01:43:51,920
Speaker 7: twenty one to two to eleven nine to forty eight

1889
01:43:51,960 --> 01:43:54,800
Speaker 7: to go in the second Three games have gone final.

1890
01:43:54,880 --> 01:43:56,599
Speaker 7: The first game of the day a big comeback by

1891
01:43:56,720 --> 01:44:00,559
Speaker 7: seventh seeded Duke over second seeded Ohio State. Blue Devil's

1892
01:44:00,600 --> 01:44:02,759
Speaker 7: down by ten after the first quarter. They were shooting

1893
01:44:02,800 --> 01:44:05,360
Speaker 7: just twenty one percent to start the game, had eight

1894
01:44:05,400 --> 01:44:08,519
Speaker 7: turnovers in the first quarter and a half, but played

1895
01:44:08,600 --> 01:44:10,920
Speaker 7: much better the second half and won it by double digits,

1896
01:44:10,920 --> 01:44:16,599
Speaker 7: seventy five to sixty three. Top seeded South Carolina they

1897
01:44:16,600 --> 01:44:20,360
Speaker 7: go to thirty four and oh As they have no

1898
01:44:20,439 --> 01:44:23,240
Speaker 7: problem handling North Carolina eighty eight to forty one. The

1899
01:44:23,280 --> 01:44:26,679
Speaker 7: final there number or fifteen to Colorado sixty three fifty

1900
01:44:26,680 --> 01:44:31,360
Speaker 7: winners over four seeded Kansas State. And In college basketball news,

1901
01:44:31,479 --> 01:44:34,479
Speaker 7: the University of Michigan naming Florida Atlantic KAD coach Dusty

1902
01:44:34,600 --> 01:44:36,559
Speaker 7: May is the new head coach of their program. He's

1903
01:44:36,560 --> 01:44:38,400
Speaker 7: going to get a five year contract that will average

1904
01:44:38,840 --> 01:44:43,680
Speaker 7: three point seven five million dollars per season. And one thing,

1905
01:44:43,720 --> 01:44:46,559
Speaker 7: we're going to keep an eye on Dave Roberts speaking

1906
01:44:46,560 --> 01:44:49,439
Speaker 7: to the media at any moment, so we're gonna hear

1907
01:44:49,680 --> 01:44:52,880
Speaker 7: from him regarding the whole sho heyo Tani situation. So

1908
01:44:52,880 --> 01:44:54,559
Speaker 7: I'll see if I can get an update on that

1909
01:44:54,600 --> 01:44:56,439
Speaker 7: one in a little bit. Back to you guys, Well,

1910
01:44:56,479 --> 01:45:01,040
Speaker 7: that's interesting. Why is he speaking now, I mean the

1911
01:45:01,080 --> 01:45:03,360
Speaker 7: back the back in town getting ready for their series

1912
01:45:03,400 --> 01:45:04,360
Speaker 7: against the Angels.

1913
01:45:04,360 --> 01:45:06,320
Speaker 8: So I guess it's.

1914
01:45:05,760 --> 01:45:09,679
Speaker 7: Interesting meeting with the pool reporters and trying to assess

1915
01:45:09,720 --> 01:45:10,519
Speaker 7: the situation there.

1916
01:45:10,600 --> 01:45:12,840
Speaker 2: But yeah, all right, Kevin, thank you very much. By

1917
01:45:12,880 --> 01:45:15,360
Speaker 2: the way, Rich a follow up on that. So yesterday

1918
01:45:15,439 --> 01:45:17,479
Speaker 2: Monsey and I were talking about this. You know, Moncey

1919
01:45:18,120 --> 01:45:21,200
Speaker 2: conducts tours of Dodger Stadium and has done that for

1920
01:45:21,240 --> 01:45:24,920
Speaker 2: a number of years, and she's going to be starting

1921
01:45:25,000 --> 01:45:29,200
Speaker 2: up with the freeway series against the Angels, and she's

1922
01:45:29,240 --> 01:45:31,800
Speaker 2: already been told because you know, you know her, like

1923
01:45:31,840 --> 01:45:34,280
Speaker 2: you know any anyone have any questions, you know, blah

1924
01:45:34,320 --> 01:45:35,040
Speaker 2: blah blah.

1925
01:45:35,479 --> 01:45:39,960
Speaker 3: But this is as we talked to John Paul Morossi,

1926
01:45:40,000 --> 01:45:40,839
Speaker 3: a little bit earlier.

1927
01:45:41,560 --> 01:45:45,639
Speaker 2: We don't have any answers yet, we still still trying

1928
01:45:45,640 --> 01:45:47,120
Speaker 2: to figure out what actually happened.

1929
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Speaker 1: Let me offer, I mean like this is what. I

1930
01:45:50,720 --> 01:45:53,280
Speaker 1: don't know how long we've had this information, five days

1931
01:45:53,360 --> 01:45:57,439
Speaker 1: worth of speculation on my behalf, because look, no, it

1932
01:45:57,479 --> 01:46:00,760
Speaker 1: feels like a lot of people are clutching their pearls

1933
01:46:01,000 --> 01:46:03,880
Speaker 1: and waiting for more information to come out, whereas with

1934
01:46:03,960 --> 01:46:07,960
Speaker 1: other athletes were willing to speculate. So I I don't

1935
01:46:08,400 --> 01:46:12,200
Speaker 1: I don't understand the reference and the preferential treatment that

1936
01:46:12,280 --> 01:46:15,680
Speaker 1: this case is getting over others. So I'm going to

1937
01:46:15,800 --> 01:46:18,760
Speaker 1: say that either this is going to be pretty cut

1938
01:46:18,800 --> 01:46:24,080
Speaker 1: and dry, that either Otani has a gambling problem and

1939
01:46:24,360 --> 01:46:30,480
Speaker 1: spent you know, millions of his dollars with a nefarious

1940
01:46:30,720 --> 01:46:36,519
Speaker 1: sports book because he wanted to hide away you know

1941
01:46:36,560 --> 01:46:39,200
Speaker 1: how much how much money he was actually spending on

1942
01:46:39,280 --> 01:46:43,519
Speaker 1: gambling while also playing a pro sport, because that that's

1943
01:46:43,560 --> 01:46:46,280
Speaker 1: probably not a good look, whether you're betting on baseball

1944
01:46:46,360 --> 01:46:48,360
Speaker 1: or not, it's probably not a good good look. So

1945
01:46:48,479 --> 01:46:51,880
Speaker 1: he used someone who he thought he could trust, who

1946
01:46:52,000 --> 01:46:54,320
Speaker 1: was close to him to place bets for him with

1947
01:46:54,360 --> 01:46:59,320
Speaker 1: an illegal book maker or or another speculation is it

1948
01:46:59,439 --> 01:47:05,839
Speaker 1: beinge Mitsu Horr is a con man who h used

1949
01:47:06,040 --> 01:47:11,320
Speaker 1: his access to show a Otani to bankroll himself with this.

1950
01:47:11,880 --> 01:47:14,200
Speaker 1: I mean, and again, I'm using a legal sports book.

1951
01:47:14,439 --> 01:47:17,639
Speaker 1: I should clarify and say it's I don't know if

1952
01:47:17,640 --> 01:47:19,760
Speaker 1: it's illegal or not. I know it's a sports book

1953
01:47:19,800 --> 01:47:21,000
Speaker 1: that's currently under.

1954
01:47:21,000 --> 01:47:24,240
Speaker 2: Well it's illegal because it's in California and sports betting

1955
01:47:24,320 --> 01:47:25,640
Speaker 2: is illegal in California.

1956
01:47:25,680 --> 01:47:28,960
Speaker 1: Well, there you go. So it's currently under federal investigation.

1957
01:47:29,320 --> 01:47:32,840
Speaker 1: So we'll make that one clarifying point. But the other

1958
01:47:32,920 --> 01:47:37,400
Speaker 1: speculation is that if they mins to Horror is some

1959
01:47:37,439 --> 01:47:40,360
Speaker 1: sort of comment who is able to parlay his access

1960
01:47:40,400 --> 01:47:46,640
Speaker 1: to show Heyo Tani into having a sports book, bankroll

1961
01:47:46,720 --> 01:47:49,920
Speaker 1: him millions of dollars and let him get into a

1962
01:47:49,960 --> 01:47:53,680
Speaker 1: tremendous amount of debt. I'm guessing it's going to be

1963
01:47:53,760 --> 01:47:56,479
Speaker 1: one of those two things being true. And then if

1964
01:47:56,520 --> 01:48:01,320
Speaker 1: there is any gray area whatsoever as more details roll out,

1965
01:48:01,600 --> 01:48:04,240
Speaker 1: the gray area is just going to be predicated on

1966
01:48:04,680 --> 01:48:08,639
Speaker 1: the level of Otani's involvement. You know, did he ever

1967
01:48:08,880 --> 01:48:12,639
Speaker 1: ask Mitchuhuo to to put a bet in for him

1968
01:48:13,040 --> 01:48:15,760
Speaker 1: anybody he knew? Was he bankrolling somebody else to put

1969
01:48:15,800 --> 01:48:19,040
Speaker 1: in bets with it? Bi mitsu Horo? Was it was?

1970
01:48:19,040 --> 01:48:21,960
Speaker 1: Was it being Mitzuhro the go between? You know, all

1971
01:48:21,960 --> 01:48:24,880
Speaker 1: of that gray area that's going to be probably the

1972
01:48:24,920 --> 01:48:28,200
Speaker 1: shades of gray that either allows sho he O Tani

1973
01:48:28,280 --> 01:48:31,360
Speaker 1: or Major League Baseball to decide whether or not Shojeyo

1974
01:48:31,479 --> 01:48:34,800
Speaker 1: Tani faces a steep punishment for this or not, or

1975
01:48:34,840 --> 01:48:37,559
Speaker 1: to what level of punishment or not. But but that

1976
01:48:37,760 --> 01:48:42,799
Speaker 1: is the speculation. I mean, am I completely misspeaking.

1977
01:48:42,200 --> 01:48:45,200
Speaker 2: Or or I mean, like I said to me, what

1978
01:48:45,200 --> 01:48:47,679
Speaker 2: what really makes sense is the guys the go between.

1979
01:48:47,920 --> 01:48:52,560
Speaker 2: Other words, Otani wants to bet on something and this guy's.

1980
01:48:52,240 --> 01:48:52,920
Speaker 3: The go between.

1981
01:48:53,000 --> 01:48:55,280
Speaker 2: I mean that that to makes more sense than the

1982
01:48:55,280 --> 01:48:58,599
Speaker 2: guy stealing four million dollars will be more and it's

1983
01:48:58,640 --> 01:49:01,120
Speaker 2: four million in debt. I mean, to have that kind

1984
01:49:01,200 --> 01:49:03,599
Speaker 2: of gambling debt, you have to have tens of millions

1985
01:49:03,600 --> 01:49:10,120
Speaker 2: of dollars on the table, right because but maybe exactly so,

1986
01:49:10,360 --> 01:49:15,120
Speaker 2: I mean the idea that some gambling out would give

1987
01:49:15,160 --> 01:49:18,000
Speaker 2: him the green light because well, I'm the interpreter for show, hey,

1988
01:49:18,000 --> 01:49:18,840
Speaker 2: so I'm good for it.

1989
01:49:18,920 --> 01:49:20,800
Speaker 3: I mean that none of that makes sense to me.

1990
01:49:21,000 --> 01:49:24,519
Speaker 10: Do you guys think that it matters what Ultimately.

1991
01:49:25,560 --> 01:49:28,519
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter one hundred percent. It doesn't matter obviously

1992
01:49:28,640 --> 01:49:29,719
Speaker 2: unless he bet on baseball.

1993
01:49:29,760 --> 01:49:32,160
Speaker 10: Well, but I'm just saying, like you basically just have

1994
01:49:32,760 --> 01:49:36,479
Speaker 10: the fans at large now think Otani is a gambler.

1995
01:49:37,400 --> 01:49:39,280
Speaker 10: I don't think it matters Ultimately, it comes out like

1996
01:49:39,280 --> 01:49:40,280
Speaker 10: they're just gonna say it was a cover.

1997
01:49:40,439 --> 01:49:43,439
Speaker 2: Here's what we do know for a fact. Okay, here's

1998
01:49:43,479 --> 01:49:46,400
Speaker 2: what we do know. There were gambling transactions that have

1999
01:49:46,520 --> 01:49:47,200
Speaker 2: his name on it.

2000
01:49:47,240 --> 01:49:50,040
Speaker 3: Sure, I'm just saying that we know for a fact.

2001
01:49:50,080 --> 01:49:53,240
Speaker 2: Now, whether it's a fraud situation that created that or

2002
01:49:53,280 --> 01:49:58,000
Speaker 2: he actually did it himself. Whatever. Do people care about gambling?

2003
01:49:58,040 --> 01:50:01,719
Speaker 2: They only care if he actually knowingly. This was always

2004
01:50:01,720 --> 01:50:05,080
Speaker 2: my argument about Pete Rose. John Dowd, who did the investigation,

2005
01:50:05,240 --> 01:50:07,960
Speaker 2: I interviewed him dozens of times over the years. I

2006
01:50:08,000 --> 01:50:11,880
Speaker 2: asked them countless times in all your investigation in Pete Rose,

2007
01:50:11,920 --> 01:50:14,400
Speaker 2: is there any evidence that he ever bet against the

2008
01:50:14,400 --> 01:50:18,720
Speaker 2: Cincinnati Ritz any You go, No, he always bet on

2009
01:50:18,800 --> 01:50:21,519
Speaker 2: him to win. And I'm like, Okay, what's the problem

2010
01:50:21,520 --> 01:50:24,800
Speaker 2: with that. I'm sorry, what's the problem with that? There

2011
01:50:24,840 --> 01:50:26,840
Speaker 2: are sports that you actually are allowed to bet on.

2012
01:50:26,920 --> 01:50:29,559
Speaker 10: You I just I just feel like the kind like

2013
01:50:29,600 --> 01:50:32,719
Speaker 10: the damage is already done in terms of Otani's character

2014
01:50:32,800 --> 01:50:36,160
Speaker 10: among people. Well, because you had that like within a day,

2015
01:50:37,120 --> 01:50:39,599
Speaker 10: within a day, you had that Twitter thread where someone

2016
01:50:39,640 --> 01:50:42,640
Speaker 10: claimed to talk to a Braves insider that had discovered

2017
01:50:42,800 --> 01:50:45,439
Speaker 10: bets made in Otani's home province and then went back

2018
01:50:45,520 --> 01:50:48,080
Speaker 10: and cross checked all those games. And it's obviously bs

2019
01:50:48,120 --> 01:50:50,120
Speaker 10: because it's coming from a guy with a Tim Lincecum

2020
01:50:50,640 --> 01:50:51,639
Speaker 10: avatar wearing.

2021
01:50:51,439 --> 01:50:56,320
Speaker 2: West Trevor Bauer situation. It's Trevor Trevor Bauer has been

2022
01:50:56,320 --> 01:50:59,200
Speaker 2: cleared of anything. He got set up by this woman.

2023
01:51:00,000 --> 01:51:02,880
Speaker 2: One hundred percent got set up by this woman. How's

2024
01:51:02,920 --> 01:51:03,640
Speaker 2: that working for him?

2025
01:51:03,720 --> 01:51:04,120
Speaker 1: Right now?

2026
01:51:04,479 --> 01:51:05,320
Speaker 10: You should pitch better?

2027
01:51:05,960 --> 01:51:07,519
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, he's trying to make a comeback by

2028
01:51:07,520 --> 01:51:09,600
Speaker 2: the way of the Pottery organization. So all right, I

2029
01:51:09,640 --> 01:51:11,400
Speaker 2: want to go over a couple of rules changes.

2030
01:51:11,520 --> 01:51:11,640
Speaker 1: Rich.

2031
01:51:11,680 --> 01:51:12,639
Speaker 3: I'm gonna get your idea.

2032
01:51:13,040 --> 01:51:15,760
Speaker 2: This one's been discussed before, but this is going to

2033
01:51:15,800 --> 01:51:18,680
Speaker 2: be discussed as a possible rule change this week at

2034
01:51:18,680 --> 01:51:22,880
Speaker 2: the annual meetings. UH substituting instead of an on side kick.

2035
01:51:22,880 --> 01:51:26,000
Speaker 2: And by the way, the new kickoff format is no

2036
01:51:26,080 --> 01:51:28,519
Speaker 2: more benefit for the on side kick than the previous one.

2037
01:51:28,600 --> 01:51:32,840
Speaker 2: So anyway, it'd be the same the old instead of

2038
01:51:32,920 --> 01:51:35,640
Speaker 2: the on side kick of fourth and twenty from your

2039
01:51:35,640 --> 01:51:39,840
Speaker 2: own twenty yard line to keep the ball. Yeah, how

2040
01:51:39,840 --> 01:51:42,160
Speaker 2: do you feel about that? So fourth and twenty from

2041
01:51:42,160 --> 01:51:45,920
Speaker 2: your own twenty yard line. Obviously if you don't get it,

2042
01:51:45,960 --> 01:51:47,599
Speaker 2: the other team gets the ball, just like on an

2043
01:51:47,640 --> 01:51:53,280
Speaker 2: on side kick fourth and twenty from your own twenty

2044
01:51:53,360 --> 01:51:54,240
Speaker 2: yard line.

2045
01:51:54,000 --> 01:51:58,280
Speaker 1: Here's here's the interesting thing about. Okay, so I'm going

2046
01:51:58,360 --> 01:51:59,880
Speaker 1: to give you an example of something that I'm going

2047
01:52:00,120 --> 01:52:03,080
Speaker 1: favor of in another sport where I'm not in favor

2048
01:52:03,120 --> 01:52:06,559
Speaker 1: of this in this sport. So in baseball, they changed

2049
01:52:06,600 --> 01:52:08,559
Speaker 1: the rule to have a runner on second at the

2050
01:52:08,560 --> 01:52:12,640
Speaker 1: start of overtime, right and or extra innings. Everybody goes, well,

2051
01:52:12,680 --> 01:52:15,320
Speaker 1: why are you doing that? That that the only way

2052
01:52:15,360 --> 01:52:17,960
Speaker 1: to get a player on second base is you know,

2053
01:52:18,040 --> 01:52:20,519
Speaker 1: a walk or well really, I mean it has to

2054
01:52:20,520 --> 01:52:23,280
Speaker 1: be a hit, if it's if it's the first player

2055
01:52:23,800 --> 01:52:25,840
Speaker 1: up at bat, like, it has to be a hit.

2056
01:52:25,920 --> 01:52:28,920
Speaker 1: So we're we're doing something that is that is so

2057
01:52:29,200 --> 01:52:33,519
Speaker 1: far departed from the normal way baseball is played. But

2058
01:52:33,680 --> 01:52:36,800
Speaker 1: to me, here's the thing about baseball. Baseball had a

2059
01:52:36,800 --> 01:52:39,479
Speaker 1: problem with the games being too long, so they had

2060
01:52:39,520 --> 01:52:43,320
Speaker 1: to do something rash. They had to do something that

2061
01:52:43,320 --> 01:52:47,519
Speaker 1: that expedited these games and extra innings because people just

2062
01:52:47,560 --> 01:52:49,960
Speaker 1: were not at the ballpark to see a lot of

2063
01:52:49,960 --> 01:52:53,800
Speaker 1: these late first pitches end, or not staying tuned in

2064
01:52:53,920 --> 01:52:57,000
Speaker 1: like they saw the numbers. They say, a dramatic dive

2065
01:52:57,120 --> 01:53:00,560
Speaker 1: after the ninth inning or really in after the on

2066
01:53:00,640 --> 01:53:02,880
Speaker 1: a lot of these games that start late. So they

2067
01:53:02,920 --> 01:53:05,599
Speaker 1: had to make a change in football. I don't understand

2068
01:53:05,600 --> 01:53:09,040
Speaker 1: why they have to make this change, Like I understand,

2069
01:53:09,080 --> 01:53:11,839
Speaker 1: you've made the onside kick even more difficult to recover.

2070
01:53:12,520 --> 01:53:15,800
Speaker 1: But we're going to do something that's completely outside of

2071
01:53:15,840 --> 01:53:19,840
Speaker 1: the rules of engagement with a football game to improve this.

2072
01:53:20,320 --> 01:53:23,960
Speaker 1: I don't I mean, it might make it more exciting.

2073
01:53:24,000 --> 01:53:26,200
Speaker 2: I guess, well, and fourth and twenty, I mean the

2074
01:53:26,280 --> 01:53:30,200
Speaker 2: idea is is there a better opportunity to keep the

2075
01:53:30,240 --> 01:53:32,559
Speaker 2: ball on a fourth and twenty than with an on

2076
01:53:32,640 --> 01:53:33,120
Speaker 2: side kick?

2077
01:53:33,400 --> 01:53:36,479
Speaker 1: Would I would guess so, I would say percentage wise,

2078
01:53:36,600 --> 01:53:37,360
Speaker 1: I would guess so.

2079
01:53:37,520 --> 01:53:39,160
Speaker 3: But it's pretty close, all right. I want to get

2080
01:53:39,160 --> 01:53:39,880
Speaker 3: in another quick one.

2081
01:53:40,000 --> 01:53:40,519
Speaker 1: Let me get another.

2082
01:53:40,840 --> 01:53:43,439
Speaker 2: This one is very intriguing. By the way this one

2083
01:53:43,560 --> 01:53:45,479
Speaker 2: was proposed by the Indianapolis Colts.

2084
01:53:45,520 --> 01:53:46,360
Speaker 3: It's on the table.

2085
01:53:47,800 --> 01:53:52,200
Speaker 2: It would permit a coach or replay official inside of

2086
01:53:52,320 --> 01:53:58,040
Speaker 2: two minutes to challenge any foul absolutely not that has

2087
01:53:58,080 --> 01:54:02,120
Speaker 2: been called. Absolutely any call, so inside two minutes. And

2088
01:54:02,160 --> 01:54:06,360
Speaker 2: by the way, it's like any call meaning multiple calls,

2089
01:54:06,760 --> 01:54:09,639
Speaker 2: So you have a holding call, or you have an

2090
01:54:09,680 --> 01:54:14,960
Speaker 2: offside call, any call inside two minutes, a coach or

2091
01:54:14,960 --> 01:54:19,479
Speaker 2: a replay official could challenge any foul that's been called.

2092
01:54:19,720 --> 01:54:25,040
Speaker 1: This is a disaster, this is okay. So here like, so,

2093
01:54:25,320 --> 01:54:29,640
Speaker 1: our biggest problem in in well I shouldn't say the

2094
01:54:29,680 --> 01:54:32,040
Speaker 1: biggest problem, but one of the things that has complained

2095
01:54:32,080 --> 01:54:35,120
Speaker 1: about the most during the course of a normal football

2096
01:54:35,160 --> 01:54:39,800
Speaker 1: season is how bad the officiating is. So what we're

2097
01:54:39,840 --> 01:54:42,600
Speaker 1: gonna do during the most important part of the game.

2098
01:54:43,960 --> 01:54:47,120
Speaker 1: We're going to give officials more control over.

2099
01:54:47,000 --> 01:54:49,560
Speaker 2: Well we're talking about replay no, I know, but who

2100
01:54:49,760 --> 01:54:51,440
Speaker 2: controls replay officials?

2101
01:54:51,520 --> 01:54:51,800
Speaker 8: I know?

2102
01:54:51,880 --> 01:54:54,480
Speaker 2: And how many times have we watched replay calls that

2103
01:54:54,520 --> 01:54:57,160
Speaker 2: you're like, all right, well that's reversed and it's not,

2104
01:54:58,960 --> 01:55:02,040
Speaker 2: or the opposite on no, and all they got it

2105
01:55:02,120 --> 01:55:03,520
Speaker 2: right and then it gets reversed.

2106
01:55:03,600 --> 01:55:06,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not. It's not a perfect science replay. We

2107
01:55:06,760 --> 01:55:07,360
Speaker 3: have learned that.

2108
01:55:07,640 --> 01:55:10,880
Speaker 1: No, it's highly subjective. Still, so I feel like you're

2109
01:55:10,880 --> 01:55:13,320
Speaker 1: going to waste more of the fans time.

2110
01:55:13,600 --> 01:55:14,880
Speaker 3: It would be crazy.

2111
01:55:14,920 --> 01:55:17,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, that is such a bad idea.

2112
01:55:17,880 --> 01:55:20,600
Speaker 2: I mean, because it says any foul doesn't say a

2113
01:55:20,640 --> 01:55:22,960
Speaker 2: single one in the last two minutes.

2114
01:55:23,680 --> 01:55:26,600
Speaker 1: Oh it's it's it's a disaster. I think I think

2115
01:55:26,640 --> 01:55:28,800
Speaker 1: giving more and you think than.

2116
01:55:28,840 --> 01:55:31,720
Speaker 2: The officials would be really almost paranoid to blow the

2117
01:55:31,760 --> 01:55:35,919
Speaker 2: whistle because almost any penalty that would be called inside

2118
01:55:35,920 --> 01:55:39,360
Speaker 2: the last two minutes in a one score game, oh well,

2119
01:55:39,440 --> 01:55:40,720
Speaker 2: immediately they'll say.

2120
01:55:40,640 --> 01:55:42,240
Speaker 1: Let's I want to I want to review this is

2121
01:55:42,320 --> 01:55:44,640
Speaker 1: This is worse than that kid in school who's asking

2122
01:55:44,880 --> 01:55:47,120
Speaker 1: the teacher if there's homework over the weekend. This is

2123
01:55:47,160 --> 01:55:49,760
Speaker 1: like that kid asking is there any way we could

2124
01:55:49,760 --> 01:55:52,840
Speaker 1: come back for saturdays and come to school, Like, we

2125
01:55:52,960 --> 01:55:55,520
Speaker 1: don't need to see the officials more than we already

2126
01:55:55,520 --> 01:55:57,680
Speaker 1: see them. I'm off set. Thanks.

2127
01:55:58,240 --> 01:55:59,880
Speaker 2: By the way, they're also going to have a review

2128
01:56:00,120 --> 01:56:03,360
Speaker 2: the game clock expiring, like you know, it's like the

2129
01:56:03,520 --> 01:56:06,680
Speaker 2: the you know, the the play clock runs down and

2130
01:56:06,720 --> 01:56:08,200
Speaker 2: you see, oh they missed it.

2131
01:56:08,200 --> 01:56:10,320
Speaker 3: It was already zero that should be reviewable.

2132
01:56:10,560 --> 01:56:13,400
Speaker 2: Oh so there are actually a lot of reviews and

2133
01:56:13,480 --> 01:56:15,000
Speaker 2: tackling safe for tackling.

2134
01:56:15,680 --> 01:56:18,120
Speaker 3: I didn't even know there was tackling in the NFL anymore.

2135
01:56:18,200 --> 01:56:20,920
Speaker 2: All right, So coming up on the other side, much

2136
01:56:20,960 --> 01:56:23,560
Speaker 2: more on this March madness. We're having a blowout game

2137
01:56:23,640 --> 01:56:26,520
Speaker 2: right now and he brewing upsets this afternoon. We'll break

2138
01:56:26,520 --> 01:56:29,280
Speaker 2: it down. This is Fox Sports Steve Harron rich Onberger

2139
01:56:29,320 --> 01:56:32,040
Speaker 2: here Fox Sports Sunday Live from the ti iraq dot

2140
01:56:32,080 --> 01:56:33,160
Speaker 2: Com studios.

2141
01:56:34,240 --> 01:56:36,440
Speaker 3: We already at the finish line here. What the heck happened?

2142
01:56:36,480 --> 01:56:36,640
Speaker 6: Here?

2143
01:56:36,960 --> 01:56:41,680
Speaker 2: Kevin Wyer doing a phenomenal job updatings on blowout games

2144
01:56:41,720 --> 01:56:46,000
Speaker 2: in the tournament. We appreciate that produce putting away the

2145
01:56:46,000 --> 01:56:49,000
Speaker 2: final seconds here in Utah State thirty seven points up.

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Speaker 3: Curs Bo is our brilliant producer.

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Speaker 2: He's been very defensive about the show Heyo Tani situation,

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Speaker 2: understandably so with his being a diehard Dodger fan.

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Speaker 10: No, the important thing, remember, if there's anything bad that happens,

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Speaker 10: it's uh it was when he was with the Angels,

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Speaker 10: So it'll be another black mark on the Angel's history.

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Speaker 3: Very very good.

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Speaker 2: I like their Yamamoto's start was not with the Angels.

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Speaker 10: So that well, yes, I was telling Chris, since we're

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Speaker 10: gonna widely accuse guys of things with no actual evidence

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Speaker 10: to do, so, yeah, let's check the padres for you know,

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Speaker 10: cameras or buzzers or As someone who has been basically

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Speaker 10: the media lawyer for this show today, I would advise

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Speaker 10: my client bo Benson not to do that. Well, I'm

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Speaker 10: just saying like it wouldn't surprise me given the evidence

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Speaker 10: that we have available to.

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Speaker 2: By the way, some of the legal points that Chris

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Speaker 2: has made today have been challenged by members of the

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Speaker 2: on air staff here at Fox Sports Radio. So yeah,

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Speaker 2: you've had a lot of correspondence going on during the

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Speaker 2: course of the show today, Chris, I.

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Speaker 9: Think it was one person agreeing with me, but I'm

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Speaker 9: not sure about check.

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Speaker 3: I haven't had someone else challenging again. Well, that's okay,

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Speaker 3: you know your stuff. We know that very very well.

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Speaker 2: All right, Ritchie, I'm looking at potential god sets here. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: which which double digit seed their three remaining is most

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Speaker 2: likely to win today? You got James Madison the twelve

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Speaker 2: seed versus the four seed duke in the South, in

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Speaker 2: the West, region, the twelve seed Grand Canyon already thirty

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Speaker 2: wins on the year, taking on the four seed Alabama,

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Speaker 2: and then the thirteen seed Yale taking on the five

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Speaker 2: seed San Diego State in the East Region. He're putting

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Speaker 2: any money on those double digit seeds?

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Speaker 1: I well, no, I think all the high seeds will advance. However,

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Speaker 1: I will say this, if there's one, it's kind of

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Speaker 1: a close race between Grand Canyon and Yale. But if

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Speaker 1: I had to choose one, I would choose I would

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Speaker 1: choose Yale because San Diego State has been a slow

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Speaker 1: starter all season long. They have been a team that

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Speaker 1: has found ways to win and creative ways to win

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Speaker 1: down the stretch of games. But they are playing with

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Speaker 1: fire this season. If you've paid attention to anything that

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Speaker 1: they've done over the courts of the regular seat an

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Speaker 1: into the mount West Conference tournament. This is a team

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Speaker 1: that likes to live on the edge. And what happens

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Speaker 1: with teams like that is oftentimes they get caught. Look

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Speaker 1: at the Philadelphia Eagles. All year long, we were saying it,

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Speaker 1: the other shoe's gonna drop here right like they're not

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Speaker 1: a ten to one football team, and then they finished

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Speaker 1: the season losing six in a row and then we're

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Speaker 1: a first round bounce in the wildcard round. I realize

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Speaker 1: it's a different sport, but teams that live on the

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Speaker 1: edge oftentimes get found out sooner than they want to.

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Speaker 1: But that's my fear for San Diego State as a

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Speaker 1: five seed in this tournament.

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Speaker 2: Well again, being an IVY League school, Yale, they play

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Speaker 2: a different brand of basketball. And I know back in

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Speaker 2: nineteen ninety six, a defending champion UCLA Bruins vanquished by

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Speaker 2: Princeton that year was unbelievable.

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Speaker 3: I still can't get over that.

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Speaker 1: And also you gotta remember Yelle just beat Auburn Burn Auburn,

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Speaker 1: who was the hottest team in the SEC coming into

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Speaker 1: the tournament. They are Auburn is is a top four team,

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Speaker 1: like when you go to all these ken Palm like

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Speaker 1: you know I'm talking about based on the regular season

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Speaker 1: net rankings, Burt Tarvick or whatever his name. I mean,

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Speaker 1: like they are the with a bullet. They're the fourth

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Speaker 1: ranked team in all of college basketball this year and

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Speaker 1: they got knocked out by Yale.

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Speaker 2: Just saying, well, if Yale and Grand Canyon and James

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Speaker 2: Madison win, oh, and let's throw a Northwestern beating Yukon. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: all brightness, that's the madness, But I like I say,

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Speaker 2: I prefer a more tidy sweet sixteen.

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Speaker 3: All right, that's gonna do it for us, but don't

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Speaker 3: go anywhere.

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Speaker 2: More March Madness coverage is coming up on Fox Sports

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