1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:02,400 Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of the Gihns Little Podcast, brought 2 00:00:02,400 --> 00:00:04,400 Speaker 1: to you by Citizens, the official bank of the Giants. 3 00:00:04,440 --> 00:00:06,880 Speaker 1: Coming to you from the Hackensack Brity Hell Podcast, Did 4 00:00:06,880 --> 00:00:09,560 Speaker 1: You Keep Getting Better? I am John Schmelk thrilled today 5 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:12,760 Speaker 1: to be joined by former NFL wide receiver ten years 6 00:00:12,760 --> 00:00:15,160 Speaker 1: in the league, a couple of thousand yard seasons, Super 7 00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:18,240 Speaker 1: Bowl champion back in Super Bowl thirty five. Now host 8 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:22,079 Speaker 1: of the Purple pregame and postgame show around Baltimore Ravens 9 00:00:22,079 --> 00:00:27,680 Speaker 1: games on w j ZTV in Baltimore. Kadre Ishmael Kadre. 10 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:31,760 Speaker 1: How are you, man, Man, I'm doing one, and thank 11 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:33,760 Speaker 1: you so much for being with us. We really appreciate it. 12 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 1: I know you as the missile. You know, I'm old 13 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:38,680 Speaker 1: enough for where I watched you as a player. You know, 14 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 1: you had the rocket and then you had the missile. 15 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 1: I really enjoyed watching it. Man, you had a great career. 16 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:43,760 Speaker 1: And thank you so much. 17 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:47,199 Speaker 2: Man. No, I appreciate it, Mat. I thank h Just 18 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:51,159 Speaker 2: looking back on a time obviously trying to fulfill a 19 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 2: childhood dream of you know, playing in the NFL and 20 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:58,000 Speaker 2: all that that entailed. And I think it's interesting how 21 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:02,320 Speaker 2: my life has evolved, and I recognize that the Giants 22 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:06,640 Speaker 2: being from North New Jersey and obviously going to live 23 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:11,120 Speaker 2: in Woloksbury, Pennsylvania, always having my New York ties. If 24 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:15,760 Speaker 2: you will, end man, I have some great memories of 25 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 2: not met life, per say, but the old stadium before 26 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 2: they knocked it down and eats Rutherford, New Jersey. Yeah, 27 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 2: we all missed that stadium. It was a great building. 28 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:29,760 Speaker 1: We are offices underneath that thing, like most NFL teams 29 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:32,479 Speaker 1: did back in the day. All right, Kadrey, let's get 30 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:35,080 Speaker 1: to it here. I'm gonna just ask a really open 31 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:38,759 Speaker 1: ending question. First, what is it like in a building 32 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 1: when John Harbaugh is your head coach? 33 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:47,920 Speaker 2: I think you see eighteen years of it, you see 34 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 2: a person that the one thing that jumps right off 35 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 2: is the family man who has a coaching backgrop. And 36 00:01:57,520 --> 00:02:01,120 Speaker 2: what I mean by that is he recognises that, yeah, 37 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 2: this is our job, this is what we do, but 38 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 2: this isn't who would we are. And so for Ingrid, 39 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:11,240 Speaker 2: for Alison, who he didn't necessarily want them to kind 40 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:14,120 Speaker 2: of feel like he's just all football all the time, 41 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:17,640 Speaker 2: but rather a well rounded person, and he wanted his 42 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 2: staff and those people around him to kind of have 43 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 2: that understanding. So I think the biggest thing that stood 44 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:25,680 Speaker 2: out to me, I know, when I was working with 45 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:28,919 Speaker 2: the Bravens, the one quick story, I'm sitting there and 46 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 2: having to do a you know, broadcast that I got 47 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 2: to go into what we call the Castle because the 48 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 2: Raider's Facility, you know, Steve Ashatty, that you talk about 49 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:41,080 Speaker 2: state of the art. I mean they call it the 50 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:43,960 Speaker 2: Castle for a reason. It is gorgeous. Well, I'm going 51 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:46,920 Speaker 2: on into the studio to do my show and coming 52 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 2: around the corner, I have my kids with me. He 53 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 2: comes John Harbaugh in these spot I don't know, maybe 54 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 2: year three into the gig, and I'm like, oh, boys, 55 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 2: here we go real man. He was like, hey, guys, 56 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 2: can you want to go to the indoor facility? And 57 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:06,399 Speaker 2: they're like yeah. He had them running up and down 58 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 2: an indoor facility and I'm sitting there doing my show 59 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:11,639 Speaker 2: for the next you know, ninety minutes, like, oh my god, 60 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 2: I hope everything's all right. Man. It was. It was cool, 61 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:19,560 Speaker 2: And I think from that you see the consistency over 62 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:22,400 Speaker 2: the eighteen years of who Jon Harbaugh is, So that 63 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:24,359 Speaker 2: that's the big thing that sticks out to me, when 64 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:27,520 Speaker 2: you talk about who John is the coach and the man, 65 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:32,239 Speaker 2: what do you think his greatest strength is as a coach? Well, 66 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 2: I think he is a coaching background of special teams 67 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 2: and so special teams you're looking at an offensive side 68 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 2: of the ball, defensive side of the ball, and you 69 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 2: got guys who, yeah, you want to be in the 70 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:47,560 Speaker 2: league and you want to play for a long time, 71 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 2: but you recognize, Hey, I am an offensive guy or 72 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 2: I'm a defensive guy. Why should I do special teams? 73 00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:58,840 Speaker 2: And I think the coaches that click that give you 74 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 2: an understanding of the picture and then scheme it to say, look, 75 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 2: this is how you can improve and be a better player, 76 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 2: but also help our team. That's a good coach. And 77 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 2: I think for him taking that CEO mindset over into 78 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:20,039 Speaker 2: the head coaching role and then now recognize and there's 79 00:04:20,080 --> 00:04:24,040 Speaker 2: some different personalities and even in today's game, as he's 80 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:29,040 Speaker 2: grown and as the different generation of player comes about, 81 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 2: you you can't approach everybody with the same cut of claws, 82 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 2: and so yeah, he has his Hey, this is what 83 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 2: I like, This is what I expect. This is the 84 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:40,280 Speaker 2: level of excellence that I expect. But I think also 85 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 2: what you're seeing is man. I'm John Harbaugh, and I'm 86 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:46,279 Speaker 2: confident in who I am, But I want you to 87 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:48,680 Speaker 2: be confident in who you are. I'm gonna give you 88 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:51,279 Speaker 2: space to be confident in who you are. If you 89 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 2: could be the best version of you, you're going to 90 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 2: help our football team, or else you wouldn't be here. 91 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 2: So I think that level of talk and the level 92 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:04,599 Speaker 2: of back it is what makes John Harbaugh you need coach. 93 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 1: I hate these overarching classifications, but I'll use them because 94 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 1: I think it allows you to know where I'm going 95 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 1: with the question. Would you consider him a quote unquote 96 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:17,480 Speaker 1: players coach? Would you consider him more of a disciplinarian 97 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 1: coach or does he taelor that approach to your point 98 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 1: on the last answer to the individual player in terms 99 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 1: of what he thinks will reach each guy the best. 100 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:31,480 Speaker 2: Well, I'm gonna give you a rise smile. If we 101 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 2: were talking about John Harbaugh early on, we probably would 102 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:38,280 Speaker 2: have said discipline coach. And I think it was because 103 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:41,920 Speaker 2: of the circumstances that were presented when he first became 104 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 2: the head coach of the Baltimore Ravens. You had a 105 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:47,360 Speaker 2: bunch of alpha males that kind of got a little 106 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 2: loose with it with the ship, and you had a 107 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:51,840 Speaker 2: ton of talent, but you had to rein it all in. 108 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:54,839 Speaker 2: And I think in raining it in, yeah, there was 109 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 2: some tough love there, but I think over the years 110 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 2: it became more of a player's coach that was, all right, 111 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:07,360 Speaker 2: you know what you need to understand these lessons, these 112 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:11,760 Speaker 2: life lessons that are tough life lessons. But if you 113 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 2: can understand it, then all right, bet, I'm gonna give 114 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:19,159 Speaker 2: you the freedom that you've earned. So freedom's gained is 115 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:22,800 Speaker 2: freedom's earned. And I think that's the best way I 116 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 2: can describe John Harbaugh. I think that's a good description. 117 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 1: I know you weren't a player for him, but I'm 118 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 1: sure you've talked to a lot of players that have 119 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:33,599 Speaker 1: been in his meetings. Is he a like call guys 120 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:36,040 Speaker 1: out in front of the team when they're watching film 121 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 1: together type of coaches and more of a address it 122 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:41,159 Speaker 1: with the guy privately type of coach. How does he 123 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:43,680 Speaker 1: address that sort of stuff when you're going over, you know, 124 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:45,720 Speaker 1: reviewing the tate the day after the game, maybe some 125 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 1: stuff that's not so great happens. How to see it 126 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:50,040 Speaker 1: all that sort of stuff when it comes to dealing 127 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:51,279 Speaker 1: with the players in a group setting. 128 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:56,279 Speaker 2: So I think the one thing that over the years 129 00:06:56,760 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 2: has come about is he's recognized that, yeah, early on, 130 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 2: you can really call guys out and it would be 131 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:06,919 Speaker 2: a form of motivation. But I think it is changed 132 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:10,120 Speaker 2: now into a form of a hey, I'm gonna give 133 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 2: us all a teachable moment, and so it's kind of 134 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:19,120 Speaker 2: shifted into I'm not calling you out, I am calling 135 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 2: that play out. This is obviously now he's gonna have 136 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 2: to shift it from this is the Ravens' way of 137 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 2: winning to the Giants of winning. But yeah, that way 138 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 2: of hey, look here's what excellence looks like. Now. I 139 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 2: will also say, yeah, Jimmy Johnson back in my day 140 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 2: coined the phrase that, uh, yeah, I am going to 141 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 2: treat everybody fair, but not everybody is going to be 142 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 2: treated equally. And so that being said, there's certain guys 143 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 2: that are all right, you know what, I recognize what 144 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 2: you did, and and yet at the same time, you 145 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 2: also are responsible for being one of the guys that 146 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:10,880 Speaker 2: have consistently shown up and made tremendous amount of plays. 147 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:16,240 Speaker 2: So okay, but the guy that consistently is inconsistent, then 148 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 2: that is where yeah, you will call out this scenario, 149 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:21,840 Speaker 2: but then privately you're gonna be like, yo, we're gonna 150 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 2: have to, you know, figure this thing out and step up. 151 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:26,920 Speaker 2: I've seen him do that quite a bit, and I 152 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 2: think actually it is effected. You know, you don't necessarily 153 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 2: need to embarrass a guy to get your point across 154 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 2: that that's not football. You want that guy on Sunday, Monday, Thursday. 155 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:40,320 Speaker 2: Did I miss a night Saturday? I guess after the 156 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:43,000 Speaker 2: season goes along, but you want that guy to show 157 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:46,680 Speaker 2: up and and I think that's something that Yeah, there's 158 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:50,840 Speaker 2: some tough love there in practice in the moment, but 159 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:54,680 Speaker 2: there's also a lot of love of like, yo, I 160 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 2: see what you did. Then I recognize tuddle up, get 161 00:08:57,280 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 2: in here. If you're lined up here, you gotta go 162 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 2: the middle with it the score. How do we make 163 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:07,200 Speaker 2: that happen? I don't know, but Citizens does? It makes 164 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 2: sense of your money with Citizens Official Bank of Eli Manning. 165 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:14,280 Speaker 1: So I imagine similarly, we're not gonna hear him calling 166 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 1: out players much in the media. 167 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 2: He's gonna keep bunch of that stuff in house. Honestly, 168 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:23,920 Speaker 2: I will say, almost to a fault that he doesn't 169 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:29,640 Speaker 2: call out guys in the media because some people look 170 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:32,600 Speaker 2: at it like with Dag like you didn't see he 171 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 2: didn't make that block for the umpteenth kind like what 172 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:38,440 Speaker 2: are we doing here? Like what are you saying? But 173 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:43,200 Speaker 2: I promise you like yeah, behind closed doors, Oh there 174 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:45,559 Speaker 2: are some words and and again, like I said, it 175 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:49,080 Speaker 2: depends upon the person and it's it's the motivation of 176 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:51,320 Speaker 2: how you gotta get better. You know, I've seen it 177 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:53,560 Speaker 2: time and time to get again. Where a guy got 178 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:56,320 Speaker 2: you know, beat on a play and he's like, yeah 179 00:09:56,320 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 2: he knows. I like how he John Harball uses the 180 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:07,200 Speaker 2: phrase yeah he knows, as in well, I could easily 181 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 2: just say you know, that was just poor technique on 182 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:12,000 Speaker 2: his part and he needs to do better and we 183 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:16,080 Speaker 2: need to clean that up. Well, he'll rephrase the word 184 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:20,480 Speaker 2: and or statement and reframe it like, well he knows 185 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:22,840 Speaker 2: his technique and you know that's something that you know 186 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 2: he knows he needs to get coached up. Allah Derrick Henry. 187 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 2: When Dereck Henry in the first three games of the 188 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 2: twenty twenty five season, he had some fumble issues. I mean, 189 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 2: this is Derek Henry going to the Hall of Fame. 190 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:41,560 Speaker 2: But the way he reframed. The statement about Derek was 191 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:44,720 Speaker 2: one where my god, you could see where Derek came 192 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:46,200 Speaker 2: back up there and was like, oh, this will never 193 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 2: happen again. He could just see that tunnel vision of focus. 194 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:52,280 Speaker 2: But that's where, Yeah, here's a coach talking to his 195 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:56,960 Speaker 2: or to the media about his superstar running back and 196 00:10:57,120 --> 00:11:00,720 Speaker 2: the way in which he handled it was was very professional. Johnson. 197 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:02,640 Speaker 1: A podcast brought to you by Citizens, the official bank 198 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:04,600 Speaker 1: of the Giants from Gaming. They celebrations here every day. 199 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:06,800 Speaker 1: Financial needs, big Blue fans get the most at everyone 200 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:09,719 Speaker 1: with Citizens. Go to citizensbank dot com slash Giants to 201 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:13,240 Speaker 1: learn more. Joined by kadre Ishmael's does a great job 202 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 1: on the pre and post game Sean TV for the 203 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:20,480 Speaker 1: Baltimore Ravens. Cadri Let's talk about philosophy on offense and defense. 204 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 1: Is there a philosophy you know you talked about. He's 205 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:25,199 Speaker 1: a special teams coach. He's had a bunch of different 206 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 1: coordinators on both sides of the ball and his time 207 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:30,680 Speaker 1: in Baltimore. Is there something that he specifically wants on 208 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 1: both sides of the ball or will he give a 209 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:35,400 Speaker 1: lot of freedom to his coordinators on both sides to 210 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:37,520 Speaker 1: kind of approach things in their own way. 211 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:43,040 Speaker 2: That's a great question. And over the years he's had 212 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:47,200 Speaker 2: that give a lot of freedom based upon what we have. 213 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 2: And so I think the coordinators that have been successful 214 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 2: defensively in John's eyes and have done a great job, 215 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 2: are those coordinators realize they wink Martindale that obviously giant 216 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 2: fans know and all the things, you know, super aggressive, Uh, 217 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 2: Dean P's going to be more of a tactician. Those 218 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:17,000 Speaker 2: two guys alone, you know you can look at and say, okay, 219 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 2: they were never really held back by John's personality of 220 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 2: I want this. John wants clarity of what our philosophy 221 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:31,920 Speaker 2: is about, and he wants it to be taught, so 222 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:36,679 Speaker 2: everyone is crystal clear what their role and responsibility is. 223 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 2: That is his philosophy there, I think offensively, it is again, 224 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 2: I want toughness, I want to hit you in the mouth. 225 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:51,560 Speaker 2: I want to control the clock. I know we need 226 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:56,440 Speaker 2: big plays. At the same time, there's this generational quarterback 227 00:12:56,480 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 2: that he had, oh by the name of Lamar Jackson. 228 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:02,800 Speaker 2: So when that I want toughness and I want to 229 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:05,720 Speaker 2: hit you in the mouth came with a generational talent 230 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:09,680 Speaker 2: that was making guys miss and just highlight player after 231 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:13,960 Speaker 2: highlight play. He's like, you know, we want that, but 232 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 2: we all so know we winning games this way. And 233 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:24,280 Speaker 2: so that that molding, that way in which he was 234 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:29,120 Speaker 2: able to adapt and then bring in a coordinator to 235 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:35,120 Speaker 2: help continue the adaptation. I took my captain him as 236 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:37,280 Speaker 2: a former offensive player. You know, I don't want to 237 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 2: be pigeonholed. I want to be able to you know, 238 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 2: this is who we are. Yeah, I don't mind toughness 239 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 2: and all that, and you know, let's let's fight you 240 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:48,440 Speaker 2: for four quarters. But also know if I'm a for 241 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:51,199 Speaker 2: me personally, I mean missile, big play. Hey, let's get 242 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 2: them big plays. I know I want that, And so 243 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:56,719 Speaker 2: the big play to me is a huge thing. 244 00:13:57,600 --> 00:13:59,360 Speaker 1: When you have a history of success the way the 245 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:01,800 Speaker 1: Ravens had over the past eighteen years of him as 246 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 1: the coach, only one season of fewer than eight wins, 247 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:06,560 Speaker 1: you're gonna have assistant coaches constantly pluck from you, right, 248 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:09,439 Speaker 1: They're gonna be turned into the hike coaches. Assistants will 249 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:12,320 Speaker 1: turn into coordinators all that stuff. Kadri and He's had 250 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:14,240 Speaker 1: to replace a lot of these guys along the way, 251 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 1: and I think he's had a remarkable string of success, 252 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:19,640 Speaker 1: replacing coaches along the way. 253 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:21,920 Speaker 2: What is it about his ability. 254 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:24,800 Speaker 1: To kind of continually and continuously build out this coaching 255 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:26,760 Speaker 1: staff and adapting to the players around him. 256 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 2: You talk about Lamar Jackson. 257 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 1: I think it's a perfect example that's allowed him to 258 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:33,960 Speaker 1: sustain the success even with the coaches and the players 259 00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:36,920 Speaker 1: changing around him. 260 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:40,160 Speaker 2: I think one of the things that uh I look 261 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:43,520 Speaker 2: at is the fact that he had his dad and 262 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:51,920 Speaker 2: that coaching early on, watching before he became in the 263 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:55,880 Speaker 2: scene of power. It was huh, okay, I saw my 264 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:58,960 Speaker 2: dad handled that. Huh. Well, that coach had that kind 265 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:02,040 Speaker 2: of personality. Oh good gee, that didn't work. Oh wow, 266 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:06,120 Speaker 2: that didn't work. Huh and over and over and over again. 267 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:09,400 Speaker 2: Then you are under the tutelage of an Andy Reid 268 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 2: and you're seeing some of the juggernauts that he had 269 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:15,960 Speaker 2: on his staff. But where did Andy get it from? 270 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:18,560 Speaker 2: He got it from Mike Holmgred, Where did Mike Holmgrid 271 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 2: get it from? He got it from Bill Walsh. Like, 272 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:29,760 Speaker 2: there is a huge growth factor that you have to 273 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 2: have as a coach. And when you get it and 274 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:39,320 Speaker 2: you see the wisdom that has been poured into you. 275 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:43,160 Speaker 2: Then it's now your responsibility to go and talk to 276 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:49,440 Speaker 2: those other coaches and make yourself available to them. So, oh, 277 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:51,000 Speaker 2: by the way, I'm a head coach, so now I 278 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:53,440 Speaker 2: need to go ahead and replace, you know, said coach. 279 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:55,120 Speaker 2: But this is what you need to look for. This 280 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:57,360 Speaker 2: is what you need to see. I like, how you 281 00:15:57,440 --> 00:16:00,800 Speaker 2: know is interesting. Here's coach in Tom Monk and very 282 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:07,520 Speaker 2: charismatic figure unto himself, a real strong, bright minded offensive coordinator. 283 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:12,360 Speaker 2: He goes to Cleveland, transformed some things there. Then he 284 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:15,120 Speaker 2: goes to Georgia. So now he's back at the collegiate level, 285 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:18,040 Speaker 2: and Kirby Smart you know, has him on his staff. 286 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:21,160 Speaker 2: Kirby the Smart. You know you dealing with some college dudes. 287 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:24,240 Speaker 2: Then Kirby Smart is one dude that's gonna go ahead 288 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:26,760 Speaker 2: and be a little harsh and use some very strong, 289 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:31,440 Speaker 2: colorful language to get his message across. Well. So goes 290 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:33,840 Speaker 2: to coach, So goes the rest of his staff, and 291 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:36,880 Speaker 2: Todd Monkin was like, man, I'll tell you what I mean. 292 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 2: I kind of got caught up in into the fiery 293 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:42,240 Speaker 2: and we're doing some stuff. They win some national championships. 294 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:44,960 Speaker 2: All right, bet here we go John Harball. He gets 295 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 2: this guy and his name is Todd Mnkey. Okay, well 296 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 2: let me see if he come up on my staff. 297 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:53,440 Speaker 2: Tod was like, you know what I was thinking about John, 298 00:16:54,480 --> 00:17:00,400 Speaker 2: John is all about the positivity and in being positive, like, 299 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:03,320 Speaker 2: you don't need to break that guy down. Breaking that 300 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:06,160 Speaker 2: guy down is not going to win us ball games. 301 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:09,320 Speaker 2: But we're trying to build that dude up. And I 302 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:13,440 Speaker 2: kind of just smiled because, Yeah, me being in the building, 303 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:15,920 Speaker 2: if you will, for all those years of John's early 304 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:18,640 Speaker 2: tenure as well as a little bit into the mid 305 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:21,679 Speaker 2: portion of his tenure, I mean, you just saw that. 306 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:24,000 Speaker 2: You saw that with the coaches, there wasn't a lot 307 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:27,000 Speaker 2: of rah rah. It was a lot of yo, let's coach, 308 00:17:27,320 --> 00:17:30,800 Speaker 2: let's coach this thing, and let's work hard. I think 309 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 2: that working hard, having fun, competing, those are buzzwords that 310 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:43,919 Speaker 2: can be misunderstood. But I think with John and his 311 00:17:44,119 --> 00:17:47,639 Speaker 2: staff and the way into which he taught it. But 312 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 2: then the here again, like I said, Todd mon can 313 00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:53,760 Speaker 2: even express it from the outside and then being in 314 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:57,879 Speaker 2: the midst that kind of Yeah, that answers the question. 315 00:17:58,160 --> 00:17:59,800 Speaker 1: No, I think it does. Think it's a good answer. 316 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:01,840 Speaker 1: You mentioned munkins. I feel like I should ask you 317 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 1: a follow up there. There's some rumors that that's who 318 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:06,520 Speaker 1: Harball wants to bring with him. It seems like those 319 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 1: guys have a pretty deep connection. Tell Jaia fans if 320 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:12,359 Speaker 1: Monkin does eventually become the Giants OC what they can 321 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:13,919 Speaker 1: expect out of a Todd Munkin offense. 322 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:21,879 Speaker 2: Well, I'll say this, Jackson Dark better uh hold on 323 00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 2: to his horses because he's gonna he's gonna get the 324 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:28,520 Speaker 2: fire hydrant of plays. And I think it is going 325 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:32,560 Speaker 2: to be one of those scenarios. Will really it will 326 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:37,160 Speaker 2: really be important to have a quarterback coach that can 327 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:44,000 Speaker 2: assist him and the handling of that fire hose of information. 328 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:48,720 Speaker 2: I think at the same time, the receivers are gonna 329 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:53,840 Speaker 2: be smiling. I think if you deputing upon who John 330 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:58,120 Speaker 2: brings in every coach across the league from the beginning 331 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:01,960 Speaker 2: of time, every time there's a new coach, you're gonna 332 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:05,399 Speaker 2: bring in your guys. So who knows who his guys 333 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:09,040 Speaker 2: will be as far as the roster looks, but you're 334 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:14,439 Speaker 2: gonna see, yeah, that's for market and it's like, all right, 335 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:17,760 Speaker 2: who's my strengths? And I'm gonna play cake to my strength. 336 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:21,479 Speaker 2: And I think that's something that uh, I'll tell you 337 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:25,400 Speaker 2: what is. It's it's really cool. So there's a lot 338 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:30,080 Speaker 2: of versatility within Todd Monkin's brain that uh when when 339 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:32,320 Speaker 2: you look at it and he unleashes it with the 340 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:35,440 Speaker 2: talent that the Giants have and some of their your 341 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:39,040 Speaker 2: your young players, mother of Pearl, I think Giant fans 342 00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:41,439 Speaker 2: will be pretty excited. If you want to know how 343 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:44,080 Speaker 2: to manage two minutes of crunch time football, I'm your man. 344 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:46,480 Speaker 2: But if you're wondering about a long term financial plan, 345 00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:49,080 Speaker 2: you should talk to Citizens. Hey, I can also talk 346 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:51,920 Speaker 2: long care. I'd like to learn about Annliar Teae. Yes, 347 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:54,800 Speaker 2: I knew I could help make sense of your money 348 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:55,639 Speaker 2: with Citizens. 349 00:19:56,320 --> 00:19:59,080 Speaker 1: Only two more questions, Kadri actually let me seeking one 350 00:19:59,080 --> 00:20:01,120 Speaker 1: on the defensive courting. But there's been some names throwing 351 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:04,719 Speaker 1: out there, guys that have been there, Weaver Walker or 352 00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:07,200 Speaker 1: you've been around all those defensive coaches that have come 353 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:09,560 Speaker 1: out of that Ravens tree, which is just filled with 354 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:12,159 Speaker 1: so many good defensive coaches. Well, can you tell me 355 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:14,240 Speaker 1: about either one or any of those guys in terms 356 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:17,480 Speaker 1: of what they would try to bring to a defense. 357 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:20,800 Speaker 2: If the Giants ended up higher one of them, well, 358 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:26,159 Speaker 2: I think again for Anthony Weaver, hopefully he will not 359 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:28,200 Speaker 2: be a Big Blue and he'll be in pro both. 360 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:35,160 Speaker 2: But that's just Mile Personville. But I think his enthusiasm 361 00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:37,600 Speaker 2: number one. He obviously played on the Harball but then 362 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 2: you know, he kind of grew his wings as far 363 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:42,720 Speaker 2: as a coach, but then he even grew further when 364 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:46,560 Speaker 2: he was able to go down to Miami and really, 365 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:48,640 Speaker 2: you know, just be a leader of men. I think 366 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 2: that's the main thing that you know, I saw from 367 00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:53,280 Speaker 2: the defensive coaches and why John Harball I think he 368 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:57,120 Speaker 2: really has such a good respect for his defensive coaches. 369 00:20:58,119 --> 00:21:01,160 Speaker 2: It's that they're they're leader of men and and and 370 00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:04,160 Speaker 2: playing defense in the NFL is hard. Uh. They want 371 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:06,920 Speaker 2: to confuse the offensive side of the football. They want 372 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:08,960 Speaker 2: to hit you in the mouth and and and and 373 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:12,040 Speaker 2: not give up anything. This is you know, NFC East 374 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:15,920 Speaker 2: football is just it's always been old school. It's I 375 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:18,239 Speaker 2: think it's similar to AFC North football, right. I mean, 376 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:21,440 Speaker 2: I think they have the same character very much, so 377 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:24,639 Speaker 2: very much. So you go up into Pittsburgh, all right, 378 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:27,360 Speaker 2: bet well, you go down to Big d all right, 379 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:29,159 Speaker 2: bet you go to Philly. All right, well you go 380 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:32,119 Speaker 2: to Cincinnati. You know, you can ha ha funny all 381 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:35,440 Speaker 2: you want with Cleveland. But the division, when you play 382 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:38,320 Speaker 2: within each other, it's that no slack where you just 383 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:41,240 Speaker 2: think that you're gonna get an easy w So yeah, 384 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:44,880 Speaker 2: an FC East football is is some real deal football. 385 00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:46,880 Speaker 2: You gotta be a leader of men, and I think 386 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:53,879 Speaker 2: that's what John Harbaugh's coaching defensive coordinator sign of the 387 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:54,879 Speaker 2: tree looks like. 388 00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 1: All right, and then final two, I looked at the 389 00:21:57,800 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 1: Ravens draft history. We don't what a great job Ozzie 390 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:02,479 Speaker 1: news have done, great job the cost has done. How 391 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:05,480 Speaker 1: much was Harbor involved in that process of the draft 392 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:08,159 Speaker 1: every year and kind of what was his role in 393 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:10,320 Speaker 1: deciding what players and the type of players that the 394 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:11,760 Speaker 1: Ravens would select in the draft. 395 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:17,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, so I think communication is gonna be huge with 396 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:24,520 Speaker 2: the general manager and obviously John Harbaugh. John, I'm talking John. 397 00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:27,359 Speaker 2: I was blessed to have two guys that are you know, 398 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:32,080 Speaker 2: technically still there, uh and Ozzy and and Eric. But 399 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:35,760 Speaker 2: you know, I gotta say this that you talk about 400 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:42,400 Speaker 2: like tree coaching trees. The Ozzie knew some like general managers, 401 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:47,720 Speaker 2: assistant general managers, head scouts, head of pro personnel. His 402 00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:53,040 Speaker 2: tree is extensive. And I am not trying to slight 403 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 2: in any way, Eric Torcsta. I'm just saying the extensiveness 404 00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:02,760 Speaker 2: of the Ozzi knew some tree. It's vast to the 405 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 2: point where like John is like, all right, so you 406 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:09,439 Speaker 2: want me to look at you know, some some dudes, 407 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:11,560 Speaker 2: all right, you know, I mean, this is what I'm 408 00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:14,439 Speaker 2: looking for. And now I got these lists of players 409 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:16,760 Speaker 2: that I gotta go through and take a look at. 410 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:20,520 Speaker 2: But there was a system in place, is my point, 411 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:23,840 Speaker 2: for him to look at, and I know that they 412 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:27,520 Speaker 2: would have with their local pro day. John was responsible 413 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:30,560 Speaker 2: for looking at offensive linemen. John would be responsible for 414 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:33,480 Speaker 2: looking at He loved defensive backs. So you know, I 415 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:36,840 Speaker 2: guess one of the one of his old players, really 416 00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:40,000 Speaker 2: really good player, and he's like John John just a 417 00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:42,679 Speaker 2: defensive back coach in disguise. He just be coming up 418 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:46,040 Speaker 2: to us, always coaching us up, and I am like laughing. 419 00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:48,760 Speaker 2: So he's like, oh yeah, so yo, this is the 420 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:50,760 Speaker 2: technique that you want, Like, you know, you want to 421 00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:54,040 Speaker 2: be at a stab at him. So I think him 422 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:57,000 Speaker 2: being from that defensive side of the ball as well. 423 00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:01,280 Speaker 2: From a defensive back standpoint, that too catches his eye, 424 00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:04,040 Speaker 2: So I know he had his role in looking at 425 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:06,840 Speaker 2: different players and saying, yeah, these are the guys that 426 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,159 Speaker 2: I want to bring in to help my team. All right. 427 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:12,600 Speaker 1: The final question, Kadri, why was he let go when 428 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:13,960 Speaker 1: all is said and done? You know why I was 429 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,280 Speaker 1: here when the Giants look a come cofflin and we 430 00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:18,320 Speaker 1: couldn't really put our finger on like a reason. It 431 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:20,880 Speaker 1: was just you kind of just felt like it was time, right, 432 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:22,720 Speaker 1: Like he's been here a long time. They had a 433 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:24,640 Speaker 1: lot of success and it was just time for a change. 434 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:27,159 Speaker 1: Is that where it was with the Raisin with the 435 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:29,720 Speaker 1: Ravens part of me? Or was there something more to that? 436 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:35,720 Speaker 2: Yeah? So I think, you know, from a team owner standpoint, yeah, 437 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:37,680 Speaker 2: I think part of it was it was just time. 438 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:41,040 Speaker 2: I think. At the same time, when you look at 439 00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:43,800 Speaker 2: Steve Ashatti, who you know, I like how he runs 440 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:48,800 Speaker 2: his organization. He's hands all yet hands all. I recognize you. 441 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:50,720 Speaker 2: I hired you to do your job. I hired you 442 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:52,760 Speaker 2: to do your job. Hired you to do your job, 443 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:55,960 Speaker 2: not go do your job? Why why should not micromanager? 444 00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:58,359 Speaker 2: If I have the micro manager then we have a 445 00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:01,000 Speaker 2: problem because now I'm doing your man, I don't want 446 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:05,720 Speaker 2: to do your job. I think for John part of 447 00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:09,840 Speaker 2: it is Eric ta Costa's tree of spouting from Ozzie. 448 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:12,879 Speaker 2: It gets watered down. There's some really good scouts that 449 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:16,440 Speaker 2: unfortunately left the building. There are some really good coaches 450 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:20,840 Speaker 2: unfortunately left the building. Mike McDonald for example, see obviously Hawks. 451 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:23,359 Speaker 2: What the heck what has he done in the two years. 452 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:29,040 Speaker 2: There are things that go on within your tenure that 453 00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:31,120 Speaker 2: you have control over that you don't have control over. 454 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:36,159 Speaker 2: And I think ultimately for Steve Ashanti, yeah, new fresh voice, 455 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:40,879 Speaker 2: first year that you know, this Ravens Ball Club and 456 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:43,679 Speaker 2: the Lamar Jackson era didn't make the playoffs, and I 457 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:45,440 Speaker 2: think that is something that I was like, all right, 458 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:48,880 Speaker 2: John is going to get a job somewhere else. He's 459 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:53,440 Speaker 2: going to be the top commodity. Let's let's let's let 460 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:56,000 Speaker 2: me relieve him of his duties. But we also know 461 00:25:56,080 --> 00:26:00,800 Speaker 2: that he's not going to be unemployed for long. And 462 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:03,720 Speaker 2: so those are the words that Steve A. Shanty is sin. 463 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:07,399 Speaker 2: I'm sure him and the Maras and the tists and 464 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:10,639 Speaker 2: the whole crew will be down there at the owner's meeting. 465 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:13,879 Speaker 2: They'll have from g they'll be sipping on this. Oh, so, 466 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:16,560 Speaker 2: how thing's going over there in New York? Oh they're 467 00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:19,840 Speaker 2: going slothingly. How things going over there Baltimore? Oh, they're 468 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:21,719 Speaker 2: going swimmingly. And then all of a sudden you'll have 469 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:23,960 Speaker 2: one of the roady owners. They'll come up and they'll 470 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:28,000 Speaker 2: be sipping on some black coffee if you time or something, Hey, 471 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:29,880 Speaker 2: what are you guys doing? Huh anything? 472 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:30,040 Speaker 1: No? 473 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:33,520 Speaker 2: Evan good. They'll be going ahead and they'll be sipping 474 00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:35,359 Speaker 2: on it. And there we have the Atlanta Falcons or 475 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:37,960 Speaker 2: as a blanket, be talking about them. Hey guys, if 476 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:42,160 Speaker 2: you guys need any kind of equipment, home Depot has 477 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:45,439 Speaker 2: a great sale for you, just let me know. They 478 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:47,960 Speaker 2: we're gonna have Jerry Joe's come up with there. Hey, fellas, 479 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:51,400 Speaker 2: I ain't went a Super Bowl yet, but I hear 480 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:56,840 Speaker 2: you that I am the richest, most powerful franchise in 481 00:26:56,880 --> 00:27:00,439 Speaker 2: all the world. Can I rick when you please? If 482 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:04,680 Speaker 2: I do? And then finally you're gonna have out there 483 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:07,080 Speaker 2: Tom Brady's gonna be Tamasa. Hey, I know I'm the 484 00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:10,800 Speaker 2: minority owner out here in Vegas, but you know I 485 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:14,000 Speaker 2: was a foreign player. Hey, fellas, can I sit at 486 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:16,280 Speaker 2: the table. All of them are gonna be like looking 487 00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:18,800 Speaker 2: over at him, and the only one person's gonna be like, 488 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:21,800 Speaker 2: you can sit at the table, and he's gonna be like, Hey, Tommy, 489 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:25,080 Speaker 2: come over here, sit next to me. It's your guy, 490 00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:28,840 Speaker 2: wrote Ubbercraft. Bobby, you call me Bobby. I know it's okay. 491 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,280 Speaker 2: I just kind of almost slipped on the ball Baltimore 492 00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:35,760 Speaker 2: accent to Boston accent til I know so. So, however 493 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:40,680 Speaker 2: you would say Baltimore slash Boston style, that's where Tom 494 00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:43,000 Speaker 2: Brady's gonna be sitting there with Robert Kraft. 495 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:46,080 Speaker 1: Then I can't think of a better way to end 496 00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,879 Speaker 1: the interview. Kudrey, this is great man. If there's anything 497 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,000 Speaker 1: we missed, the floor is yours. Otherwise, tell the folks 498 00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:52,360 Speaker 1: where they get find all your great work. 499 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:58,680 Speaker 2: Yeah. So basically I am on WJZ. You can see 500 00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:02,280 Speaker 2: us on most actually platforms, but on a streaming network. 501 00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:03,800 Speaker 2: I know people out there in New York are like, 502 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:05,919 Speaker 2: what am I gonna say? Ya? You can see me 503 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:11,080 Speaker 2: easily on THEWJZ dot com and check out all my 504 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:14,800 Speaker 2: work there. Of course, podcast wise, you can check me 505 00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:18,120 Speaker 2: out on locked on Ravens and from time to time 506 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:23,040 Speaker 2: we'll have Locked on Squad Show twice a week, every 507 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:27,640 Speaker 2: week on wherever you listen to your podcast, The Missile 508 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:31,679 Speaker 2: Cadre Ismail. Awesome job, Kaudre. This was great. I cannot 509 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:33,200 Speaker 2: thank you enough. You are fantastic. 510 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:35,159 Speaker 1: Thank you for joining us from the Giants Little podcast 511 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:37,160 Speaker 1: brought to you by Citizens Official Banking the Giants. 512 00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:39,480 Speaker 2: Everybody, have a great day. We'll see you next time.