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Speaker 2: is a former United States Marine Corps gunnery sergeant, and

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Speaker 2: we're going to get into it with him. Welcome to

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Speaker 2: the show, Joe.

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Speaker 3: Hey, Rad, great to be here, man.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's great to have you. You know, I got

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Speaker 2: to drop Cyrus's name, all right, Cyrus Norcross. He is

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Speaker 2: one of our guests Navajo Nation journalists. He's like, Rad,

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Speaker 2: you got to get Joe on the show and talk

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Speaker 2: about as a grenada, right and Operation Urgent Fury and

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Speaker 2: now let me piggyback on that real quick, Operation Urgent Fury. Well,

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Speaker 2: there was a movie called Heartbreak Ridge that is kind

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Speaker 2: of like they're going into Grenada, you know, to go

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Speaker 2: into that in Heartbreak Ridge with Clint Eastwood. How close

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Speaker 2: to life are you? Like? Clin Eastwood?

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Speaker 3: I was probably one of the most easy going gunnery

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Speaker 2: Did you show up with a colored shirt? And if

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Speaker 2: Intelligence. So in the military, that's a word that doesn't

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Speaker 3: A little oxymoor on there. But yeah, right, yeah.

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Speaker 2: Max Is usually like all right, Rad, first lieutenant, Rad,

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Speaker 3: Just got to see him in Savannah for the fortieth

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Speaker 2: He's like, rad, you should clear your schedule for April

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Speaker 3: I mean, how could you not?

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Speaker 3: Guys just straight legend. I mean, you know, another another

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Speaker 2: He didn't want to get any hot. He wanted to

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Speaker 2: So no, he's yeah legit, And that's why the Marines

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Speaker 3: No? Actually, it's just a patch of friend of mine

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Speaker 3: it was very friendly. We just passed in information back

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Speaker 3: But Tom had sent me his manuscript and it was about,

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Speaker 3: I would say, about fifty percent done and needed some work.

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Speaker 3: There was great material there, and it's a very large

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Speaker 3: cast of characters. I think we included almost one hundred

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Speaker 3: But it just covers the Ranger operations during Urgent Fury.

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Speaker 3: But we had to whittle it down to focus on several,

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Speaker 3: long time to have that story told. And these are

431
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Speaker 3: some there's a lot of I would call them ranger legends.

432
00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:54,159
Speaker 3: They would probably not like being called legends that were

433
00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:57,280
Speaker 3: involved in those startups of both the first and second

434
00:19:57,359 --> 00:20:00,879
Speaker 3: Ranger Battalion. And these guys have some nominal stories and

435
00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:03,680
Speaker 3: I think that the I think not only will rangers

436
00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:06,560
Speaker 3: enjoy these stories, but just folks that enjoy military history

437
00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:10,280
Speaker 3: will enjoy them because, frankly, some of them might find

438
00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:17,720
Speaker 3: them completely outlandish and fantastic considering what has become the

439
00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:20,520
Speaker 3: standard nowadays in the military versus what the standard was

440
00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:22,399
Speaker 3: back then. And I don't mean it there was a

441
00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:25,600
Speaker 3: degradation and standard. I mean some of the things they

442
00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:29,720
Speaker 3: just they did was they were wild, wild, and those

443
00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:32,280
Speaker 3: stories need to be brought brought forward. And I think

444
00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:34,600
Speaker 3: it's a it'll be a fine tribute to those guys,

445
00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:36,640
Speaker 3: because not only will I there's a lot of these

446
00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:38,880
Speaker 3: fantastic stories like oh my god, I can't believe they

447
00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:42,200
Speaker 3: did that, but there's a lot of how the battalions

448
00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:44,800
Speaker 3: were formed, what their initial missions were, and then as

449
00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:50,239
Speaker 3: the battalions developed and evolved, they became more of a

450
00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:54,840
Speaker 3: special operations force where they started doing raids and airfield

451
00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:57,880
Speaker 3: seizures and things like that, which when they first stood.

452
00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:01,160
Speaker 3: The battalions back up, they're more like the as General Abrams,

453
00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:04,239
Speaker 3: who wrote they called the Abrams Charter, stated they were

454
00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:07,200
Speaker 3: going to be the finest light infantry unit in the world.

455
00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:11,200
Speaker 3: Were they morphed, they still are some of the best

456
00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:14,480
Speaker 3: light infantrymen on the planet, but now they've morphed into

457
00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:18,560
Speaker 3: more of a special operations force. And this covers this period,

458
00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:22,800
Speaker 3: covers that build up, that change, that evolution, and shows

459
00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:26,679
Speaker 3: changes in tactics and uniforms and equipment and weapons. So

460
00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:30,720
Speaker 3: I think military history buffs and history buffs in general

461
00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:33,080
Speaker 3: will probably probably enjoy it, and it'll make a nice

462
00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:35,320
Speaker 3: companion book to go with. Cry Havoc.

463
00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:37,520
Speaker 2: Are you going to go after guys as far back

464
00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:40,399
Speaker 2: as like any living lurps that are still around? Is

465
00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:42,480
Speaker 2: that what you're looking for? Guys that had been in

466
00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:42,880
Speaker 2: the muck.

467
00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:46,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, you know, the fantastic thing about that period

468
00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:49,439
Speaker 3: of time, especially in that into seventy four, there were

469
00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:51,920
Speaker 3: so many guys left who were part of those lurp

470
00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:55,800
Speaker 3: units or part of Special Forces A teams where there

471
00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:59,399
Speaker 3: were the lerps became the rangers. Later on in Vietnam

472
00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:01,840
Speaker 3: were still a lot of those guys in the ranks,

473
00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:04,879
Speaker 3: and when the two battalions stood up, a lot of

474
00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:06,720
Speaker 3: them came to them. So, yeah, there's gonna be a

475
00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:12,840
Speaker 3: lot of that. How that the Vietnam experience influenced the training,

476
00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:15,199
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it's it is.

477
00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:16,280
Speaker 2: It's amazing.

478
00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:19,840
Speaker 3: Some of these stories. Yeah, there's it's amazing like talking

479
00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:24,240
Speaker 3: about legends, like like Donald Purdy. I mean, there are

480
00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:26,600
Speaker 3: so many ranger legends in this thing that I think,

481
00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:29,720
Speaker 3: especially like folks who like to read about special operations

482
00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:30,840
Speaker 3: for US are really going to enjoy this.

483
00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:33,320
Speaker 2: Well. As a young man myself growing up in an

484
00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:35,480
Speaker 2: SF household, I had a book and it was called

485
00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:38,399
Speaker 2: Lurps Okay, and I was in my bathroom and I

486
00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:41,639
Speaker 2: didn't have a phone, and so here's little Aaron flipping

487
00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:45,200
Speaker 2: pages through the LURP book reading about like and there

488
00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:47,239
Speaker 2: we were. It's been two weeks and we've only had

489
00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:49,680
Speaker 2: three days of rations with us, and you know, we're

490
00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:54,640
Speaker 2: just out there in the darkest jungle spots behind enemy lines.

491
00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:58,240
Speaker 2: Alert stands for I believe, long range reconnaissance patrol or

492
00:22:58,480 --> 00:22:59,280
Speaker 2: yep right.

493
00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:02,280
Speaker 3: Yep correct. Yeah. You know, as a young marine, when

494
00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:03,959
Speaker 3: I was stationed like a twenty nine Palms and then

495
00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:06,520
Speaker 3: I went to Campa June, you could walk into any

496
00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:09,000
Speaker 3: quick Mart on base, so you could walk into the

497
00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:12,080
Speaker 3: exchange and they have racks of these paperbacks. And it

498
00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:16,320
Speaker 3: seemed like every soldier who had served as ALERP or

499
00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:19,159
Speaker 3: a ranger was writing books at that time, and you

500
00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:23,320
Speaker 3: could literally because we didn't have these things. No, you

501
00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:26,280
Speaker 3: could literally have your own portable entertainment throw in your

502
00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:28,359
Speaker 3: cargo pocket. Like two or three of these paperbacks and

503
00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:32,160
Speaker 3: my favorites were written by a man that I'm very

504
00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:35,600
Speaker 3: happy to have contact with on Facebook, guy named Gary Linderer,

505
00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:38,359
Speaker 3: who really spearheaded a lot of that and he served

506
00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:41,800
Speaker 3: in f Company fifty eight Lerps and then it went

507
00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:44,639
Speaker 3: on to the rangers when the unit transformed. But I

508
00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:46,480
Speaker 3: think Gary was a catalyst for a lot of his

509
00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:50,040
Speaker 3: fellow lurps and rangers to write these books. And like

510
00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:52,080
Speaker 3: I said, to carry two or three of them around

511
00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:56,199
Speaker 3: my cargo pocket. You know, if we rucksack flop, just

512
00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:58,280
Speaker 3: sit there, pull out your books, start reading. Wait until

513
00:23:58,280 --> 00:23:59,280
Speaker 3: you move.

514
00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:02,680
Speaker 2: Out outside yourself and read somebody else's thoughts and see

515
00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:05,280
Speaker 2: what they went through, you know. Yeah, these So I

516
00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:07,439
Speaker 2: also read a command manual all the time. I had

517
00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:10,199
Speaker 2: a Green Beret how to run an eighteen manual in

518
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:15,480
Speaker 2: my bathroom and alert book that was up. So you

519
00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:18,080
Speaker 2: see kind of what was influenced in my life, right sure?

520
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:20,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean my dad's a Vietnam ERAVET, so

521
00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:22,760
Speaker 3: I know I get it. I completely get it.

522
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:25,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, and let's talk about that parachute that you have

523
00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:27,440
Speaker 2: behind you. That's from where? What year is that?

524
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:29,440
Speaker 3: That's in nineteen forty four. It's a swath of a

525
00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:33,320
Speaker 3: nineteen forty four dated parachute. I was blessed for your

526
00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:36,600
Speaker 3: listeners who met a band of brothers. When I was

527
00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:38,400
Speaker 3: in Kuwait getting ready to go over the border into

528
00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:42,720
Speaker 3: Irock and O three, I started writing veterans of easy Company,

529
00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:45,119
Speaker 3: the band of Brothers, and the first veteran I wrote

530
00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:47,720
Speaker 3: was was Dick Winners. So I have a great affinity

531
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:50,280
Speaker 3: I grew when I once I came back and I

532
00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:52,720
Speaker 3: left active duty, I became friends with a lot of

533
00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:55,320
Speaker 3: these guys. Some of your listeners will probably recommen the IZ, say,

534
00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:58,479
Speaker 3: like Buck Compton, Bill Garnier, and it was guys from

535
00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:00,359
Speaker 3: the mini series. A lot of the more well known

536
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:01,560
Speaker 3: ones I knew them. I knew a lot of the

537
00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:04,520
Speaker 3: lesser known ones as well. But anyway, I collected a

538
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:06,560
Speaker 3: bunch of stuff over the years, and that that swath

539
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:08,840
Speaker 3: of nineteen forty four dated shoot is one.

540
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:10,280
Speaker 2: Of them from Dick Winters.

541
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:13,240
Speaker 3: No, this isn't from Dick. This is it's just a

542
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:14,439
Speaker 3: forty four dated Swath.

543
00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:17,359
Speaker 2: Sure no, I was just like, wait, wait, wait, no, Dick, No,

544
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:18,959
Speaker 2: that's Major Winters right.

545
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:21,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, I actually do have a piece of Bill Garnier's

546
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:23,560
Speaker 3: reserve shoot from the Normandy Drop.

547
00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 2: Oh. So when you go over to these places, how

548
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:30,639
Speaker 2: how did you wind up being that.

549
00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:32,440
Speaker 3: Guy oh leading the tours?

550
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:34,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, you go to Guarantee and like all of those

551
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:36,120
Speaker 2: types of places. Yeah.

552
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:38,800
Speaker 3: So so my wife when I got when I got

553
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:40,560
Speaker 3: back and I left active duty, my wife wanted me

554
00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:43,879
Speaker 3: to get a hobby, basically because I was driving crazy

555
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:47,520
Speaker 3: and a buddy of mine had done Civil War reenacting,

556
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:49,720
Speaker 3: which I really had no interest in doing. You dress

557
00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:52,040
Speaker 3: up and we'll you march around for a little while,

558
00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:53,880
Speaker 3: you fire one shot and you fall down. You lay

559
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:56,480
Speaker 3: around in a field for three hours sweating. I say,

560
00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:58,520
Speaker 3: I don't really want to do that, and another buddy's like,

561
00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:01,080
Speaker 3: well you could do you know, you could do World

562
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:02,719
Speaker 3: War Two? And I said, wow, Yeah, IVE always had

563
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 3: an interest in World War Two. So I re enacted

564
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:08,240
Speaker 3: Easy Company for a number of years and I was

565
00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:10,119
Speaker 3: able to become friends with a lot of these guys,

566
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 3: and because I was a fellow combat that they would

567
00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:16,640
Speaker 3: open up to me about their experiences. And it just

568
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:20,240
Speaker 3: started initially just writing down things that they would tell me,

569
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:22,719
Speaker 3: and then I wouldn't say they became formal interviews. These

570
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:24,879
Speaker 3: guys are my friends, so we'd sit down over beers

571
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,159
Speaker 3: at a reunion and they would just tell stories and

572
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:29,520
Speaker 3: I would just remember as much as I could before

573
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:31,320
Speaker 3: I got foggy brained, and then I would write it

574
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:33,600
Speaker 3: all down. So I kind of use that as the

575
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:37,280
Speaker 3: basis to start doing tours. So I do a two

576
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:40,560
Speaker 3: week tour in September where we start in Normandy. We

577
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:43,640
Speaker 3: work our way all awaycross Easy Companies Fights through Normandy.

578
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:46,679
Speaker 3: Then we go to Holland we do the time that

579
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:49,000
Speaker 3: they were there, the bridge too Far, all that stuff

580
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:52,560
Speaker 3: down into best Stone. We do all the foxholes around

581
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:54,880
Speaker 3: the perimeter and tell all the stories there, and then

582
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:57,639
Speaker 3: we finish up in Burke to god and at the

583
00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:00,680
Speaker 3: Eagle's Nest. So we'd try to Mimi make the path

584
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:02,440
Speaker 3: all the way through. It's called the Path of Easy

585
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 3: Company Tour.

586
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:06,360
Speaker 2: Do you take Bangalore's with you or no? No, Bangalore,

587
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:10,119
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, bring up the bring up the Bangalores said

588
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 2: Alpha one is not open. I say again, Alpha one

589
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 2: is not open.

590
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:17,240
Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure customs wouldn't let me bring any Bangalores,

591
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 3: but we do do the beaches, and the beaches are fantastic,

592
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:20,280
Speaker 3: by the way.

593
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 2: You know, the closest I've been to Normandy was the

594
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:27,920
Speaker 2: Isle of Wight on the Southampton coast in England. We

595
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 2: were there and you can see France from that that

596
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 2: like base that I was at. I was getting toured

597
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,199
Speaker 2: with some SAS and SBS guys over there. They're like

598
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:39,240
Speaker 2: rad this right here, you know, seventeen hundreds, you know

599
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:42,439
Speaker 2: over there, France, Normandy, Isle of Wight, you know, And

600
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:44,600
Speaker 2: I'm like, bro, this is crazy.

601
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:46,720
Speaker 3: Yes. And then to go up on like the Point

602
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:49,560
Speaker 3: to Hawk and then walk through Rudders Rangers going you know,

603
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,199
Speaker 3: the attack on D Day and doing things like that.

604
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:55,040
Speaker 3: It's a really special place. All of it is special.

605
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 3: There's always all of it. There's always a special location

606
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,080
Speaker 3: to go to, and there's and because of things like

607
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:03,240
Speaker 3: saving Private Ryan and Band of Brothers and the Pacific

608
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 3: and then now The Masters of the Air, which is

609
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 3: the new series that's out too far right, all those

610
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:11,960
Speaker 3: there's always a location to go and visit and something

611
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:15,360
Speaker 3: special that occurred and something tangible, so I usually bring

612
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:17,359
Speaker 3: pictures of like the vets, so we can tell our

613
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 3: stories and they can actually see the guys that we

614
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:22,159
Speaker 3: were involved in these actions. But yeah, it's it's a

615
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:25,240
Speaker 3: great trip. I love doing it every year. I don't,

616
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:27,720
Speaker 3: like I said, I kind of fell into it a

617
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:29,720
Speaker 3: little bit of a side hustle. But I love doing it,

618
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:31,040
Speaker 3: love telling their stories.

619
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:33,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was over there and there was a huge

620
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 2: crew going over to you know, do exactly what you're

621
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 2: talking about is a bunch of veterans from you know,

622
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 2: I think that we're still alive going over to see

623
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 2: it's about three years ago. Yeah. I think they're escorted

624
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 2: by this author named Jack Carr. I think he went

625
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 2: with him and did this whole housting over there and

626
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 2: oh yeah, no, wonderful.

627
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 3: I know Jack is. I've read his books pretty pretty outstanding,

628
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:55,720
Speaker 3: great seal.

629
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, right right right, And we'll get

630
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 2: him on the show. You know, he's in the same

631
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 2: circle here, so just like you, right, you're on here.

632
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 2: I've had all these guys come through here. So you're

633
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:06,960
Speaker 2: a rock star, bro. I just want you to know

634
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 2: that now. Yeah, it took time to write your stuff out.

635
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, you know, I think the guys that I've

636
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 3: been writing about, they deserve to have their story told.

637
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 3: I mean, the Ranger community back then and still is

638
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 3: very insular, so it did take time to build up trust,

639
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 3: but it was great to get their stories out. And

640
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 3: now most of the guys are in there, you know,

641
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:28,960
Speaker 3: somewhere in their fifties to sixties, and and now they're

642
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 3: kind of happy because they've got kids and grandkids and

643
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 3: they want them to know, you know, they didn't sit

644
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 3: on the sidelines. They actually did stuff. So and was

645
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 3: really proud that they entrusted me with their story. And

646
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 3: you know, Tom and I did our very best to

647
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 3: make sure we got it out there the right way.

648
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 2: You know. It's like a lot of them don't want

649
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 2: to talk about it. It reminds me of mister Miagi

650
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:50,720
Speaker 2: and Karate Kid that whole time he's training him and

651
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 2: then he passes out and he looks and he's like

652
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 2: medal of honor, mister. Yeah.

653
00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:59,239
Speaker 3: I think these guys are like, you know, they're more

654
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:01,240
Speaker 3: of a like the if you know, you know crowd,

655
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, right, Like when they're amongst themselves,

656
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 3: they all know the stories and and but I think

657
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:11,200
Speaker 3: I think it's good for America to see these these

658
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 3: guys for what they did and understand the hardships they

659
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 3: were through went through, especially like Grenada. It always, for

660
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 3: some reason it gets like used like a punchline when

661
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 3: it comes to talking about our operations. And if if

662
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:25,719
Speaker 3: people actually knew what these guys went through, they wouldn't

663
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 3: say that kind of thing, like and although we didn't suffer,

664
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:33,240
Speaker 3: you know, like casualties like Ewejima or something in Grenada.

665
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 3: I know a lot of the gold Star families and

666
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:39,080
Speaker 3: they are they are a very tight knit group because

667
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 3: there there weren't a lot of casualties, but the ones

668
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 3: that that did occur hit home and affected so many people.

669
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 3: I mean you could see when I would talk to

670
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:50,720
Speaker 3: the rangers, you could see how much they love these

671
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 3: guys that were killed in action. I mean they were

672
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 3: It's very tough for them to talk about their brothers

673
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 3: and to open up to me and allow me and

674
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:01,160
Speaker 3: Tom to to tell that story. Like I said, I'm

675
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 3: very very proud of it and honored to be the

676
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 3: guy that just the vehicle to get get that story told.

677
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 3: But I mean, these were fantastic people and I'm glad

678
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 3: people are reading the book too.

679
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 2: You know, right, and as a conduit of Tom, which

680
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 2: is what you've helped become, you know, to help put

681
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 2: his He's like, do what you can with it, right.

682
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 3: His family has been great, great supporters of the project too,

683
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 3: and and so yeah, Tom was a great writing partner.

684
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 3: And I'm I'm and I missed talking to him about

685
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 3: this stuff.

686
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 2: And sure, yeah, sorry for your loss of your friend.

687
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 2: I'm sorry for me to you just to let you

688
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 2: know that. And to his family, our condolences. And you

689
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 2: know he served and you know, climbed the rinks and

690
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 2: kicked button you know, thank you for that.

691
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 3: If I know he'd appreciate it, he's yeah.

692
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 2: And to his friends, you know, there's a lot of

693
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 2: friends that listen to this that are all his buddies,

694
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 2: that are all in the small little circle that I

695
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 2: seem to to tread water in. Right, My head is

696
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 2: above water. I'm like, okay, special Forces, Okay, special operations, Okay,

697
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 2: special assignment, special ed, we're all special together. They got

698
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 2: no problem with that, you know. So it just goes

699
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 2: to show that as long as you're just a good person,

700
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 2: genuine you can talk to anyone and just have a

701
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 2: good day.

702
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so. I think that's that's definitely a

703
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 3: thing I think. You know, nowadays there's such a alliance

704
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 3: on pressing buttons on these things, and people are so

705
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 3: remote these days. They lost a little bit of social skills.

706
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 3: So I think that those of us, you know, like yourself,

707
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 3: that that have an easy rapport, a quick and easy

708
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:34,480
Speaker 3: rapport with people, tend to build relationships pretty quick. But

709
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 3: you know, the guys that I've written about and that

710
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:40,240
Speaker 3: I'm writing about, they didn't have that to as a problem.

711
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 3: They knew how to talk to each other. And you've

712
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 3: been around these types of guys when they start ribbing

713
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 3: each other and the you know, the banter gets gets fast,

714
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 3: hot and heavy and they and they're ripping each other apart.

715
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 3: But that's only something that that brothers can do, you

716
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 3: know what I mean, or people who shared the same

717
00:32:58,600 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 3: experiences can do.

718
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 2: One hundred percent agreed, you know, And uh, you know,

719
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 2: when I found out that Dalton Fury had passed, you know,

720
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 2: it wasn't someone in my normal name. Now it has.

721
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 2: You know, I've learned about who he is and Tom

722
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 2: and everything through over these years. But you know, Travis,

723
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 2: do you know Travis Kross.

724
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 3: I don't. I don't, unfortunately hop it.

725
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 2: Okay, So he was a Delta guy, and he was

726
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 2: also Torbora, you know, and right after Bin Lauden, and

727
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 2: like they were like we found like the pot still burning,

728
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 2: you know, and he had gotten into Pakistan and we

729
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 2: couldn't go and all this kind of stuff. And so

730
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:34,480
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure your guy was all around that.

731
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 3: Yeah.

732
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:35,480
Speaker 2: You know.

733
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 3: The funny thing about Tom was we were I was

734
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 3: kind of guarded when I when I first got in

735
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 3: notes from other people about him working on a Grenada project,

736
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 3: and I'm like, I didn't know who he was. And

737
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:49,000
Speaker 3: then he sent me a copy of Kill Ben Lauden,

738
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 3: and he goes, if you don't want to work together,

739
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 3: I'm cool with it. If you do, great regardless. I

740
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 3: want you to have a copy of this. I think

741
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 3: you'll enjoy it. I mean, that's just the kind of

742
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:00,160
Speaker 3: guy he was, right, he would just he didn't have

743
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 3: to send me a copy of the book. He just

744
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 3: he could have just and he could have just gone

745
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 3: on his own and with his connections in the communities,

746
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 3: written a fine book all by himself. He did not

747
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 3: need me to do it. But in this case, I

748
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:15,400
Speaker 3: feel like I'm just finishing up the work he started.

749
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 3: He needed he knew we needed each other. We needed

750
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 3: each other. We motivated each other to talk to two

751
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:24,280
Speaker 3: different people and get in touch with people, to dig

752
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 3: deeper into the stories to make sure we got the

753
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 3: details right, you know, like I said, so we did,

754
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:34,280
Speaker 3: so we would do right by These guys were writing about.

755
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 2: Do you have something that you can share that is

756
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 2: just like you know, a detail that you know about,

757
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:40,920
Speaker 2: some little excerpt out of your book. Do you have

758
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 2: something you can tell us about like a story?

759
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 1: Uh?

760
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:49,319
Speaker 3: I think for for me, like with I think that

761
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 3: the jump sequences to me are the real The jump

762
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:55,440
Speaker 3: sequence going in is the is the was the hardest

763
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:59,359
Speaker 3: part to write about because the chalk sequence got thrown

764
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:03,279
Speaker 3: out of whack and when the AC one thirties were

765
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 3: doing the wreki of the drop zone, they started taking fire.

766
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 3: A couple of the planes waved off and the entire

767
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 3: sequence got through aunt of whack. So there were twelve

768
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 3: C one thirty slash MC one thirties that were flying

769
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:18,760
Speaker 3: the ranger force in and by the time the first

770
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 3: plane dropped its rangers over the drop zone, the entire

771
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:25,760
Speaker 3: chalk order was out of whack, and putting that whole

772
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 3: thing together and then writing about rangers on each one

773
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 3: of those chalks and their individual experiences was probably one

774
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:35,799
Speaker 3: of the hardest things to do. But I think we

775
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 3: did a really good job with it because we used

776
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:42,400
Speaker 3: their words, you know, when they were telling me about

777
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 3: you know, getting tossed around while they d rigging then

778
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:48,280
Speaker 3: re rigging, and then you know, you don't get handed

779
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:51,440
Speaker 3: back your same shoot, your your same harness. So you're

780
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 3: a small guy. You get a guy who's you know,

781
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:56,440
Speaker 3: five inches taller than you and twenty pounds heavier than you,

782
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:59,319
Speaker 3: and you've got to re rig and you know, and

783
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 3: you're getting your hearing things from the crew chiefs going,

784
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 3: Rangers are fighting, Rangers are dying, the jump is on,

785
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:07,799
Speaker 3: and these guys are scrambling to get themselves back back

786
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:10,359
Speaker 3: together again so they could they can get put out

787
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 3: over the DZ and in good order. I think that

788
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 3: I think people are really going to enjoy that reading

789
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 3: about that because it's very tense. I felt like writing

790
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:21,879
Speaker 3: My pulse rate was going up when I was writing.

791
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 2: It, So I think it is.

792
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:25,319
Speaker 3: I think, tell me, yeah, I think your listeners really

793
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 3: get a kick out of it again because it's very

794
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 3: very intimate details of what happened in those planes that

795
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:36,360
Speaker 3: was largely unknown up until the last couple of years.

796
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 2: And a chalk for someone who doesn't know what a

797
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 2: chalk may be listening, right, That is like the group

798
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 2: of guys or gals that are airborne together standing together

799
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:48,319
Speaker 2: to jump out together. Right, that's the chalk. That's the

800
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 2: lineup right.

801
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 3: Well, it's also the aircraft itself. So if I say

802
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 3: chalk twelve, that's the aircraft plus the jumpers in that chalk,

803
00:36:57,120 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 3: so it counts for both. But yeah, it started with twelve,

804
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:04,320
Speaker 3: and I had to number them because the Air Force

805
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 3: had its own numbering system, the rangers had their own

806
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 3: numbering system, and the MC one thirty crews had their

807
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:14,920
Speaker 3: own numbering system, so it was all very confusing. So

808
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:18,759
Speaker 3: I just basically made I'll call it I arbitrarily made

809
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 3: the decision to number them one through twelve because it

810
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 3: was just easier for the reader to understand where they

811
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 3: were supposed to be in line. So oh, and then

812
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:31,760
Speaker 3: the two battalions had their own numbering system as well.

813
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 2: So was there jump injuries on that? Did they get

814
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 2: dragged I don't remember if there were.

815
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 3: There were a few guys in fact. In fact, next

816
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:40,000
Speaker 3: time you talk to Max, ask them about Ean Cowfold

817
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:43,920
Speaker 3: going into the water. Okay, Max will tell you the story.

818
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:46,879
Speaker 3: But yeah, there was a guy named Harold Hagen broke

819
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 3: his leg. Sean Powers broke his leg. There were a

820
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 3: number of guys who suffered jump injuries. And not only that,

821
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 3: the entire second Battalion didn't jump with reserve shoots. Now

822
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:58,840
Speaker 3: they have their rucksacks rick below them, but typically what

823
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:00,880
Speaker 3: happens is when you make your eggs that if the

824
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 3: ruck flips up a little bit, your reserve tends to

825
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 3: pad you against it flipping up. Well, second of time

826
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 3: didn't jump with their reserves, and a lot of guys

827
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 3: had broken nose or smashed nose and nosebleeds from getting

828
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:15,399
Speaker 3: hit by their own rucks hitting them as they came

829
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:18,839
Speaker 3: out of the aircraft. Like my friend doctor Hio came

830
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 3: out of the aircraft, hit the side of the aircraft

831
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 3: and it ripped his helmet right off of him, and

832
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 3: he just when he said, I was knocked senseless. By

833
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:30,840
Speaker 3: the time I got down to the ground, I was

834
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:33,319
Speaker 3: wondering where the hell I was. You know all these

835
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 3: stories are in there. These guys they recover and then

836
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 3: quickly take the fight to the enemy, and that's the

837
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:40,319
Speaker 3: that's the best part they did, just like their their

838
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 3: World War two forefathers did. They hit the ground, got

839
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 3: themselves together, put their weapons systems in action, and got

840
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:46,440
Speaker 3: to fight.

841
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:48,920
Speaker 2: In the enemy and got their bearings and just started

842
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 2: heading on their do bearings and just moving out. They

843
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 2: were not I mean, they might have had something technical

844
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 2: back then, but really that was really like trivium style compasses.

845
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:03,400
Speaker 2: And you know, I hope you studied the sand table

846
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:04,759
Speaker 2: before you dropped it into.

847
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:08,480
Speaker 3: The Yeah, I mean the jump clearing team which didn't

848
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 3: get to jump first, which is the guys that came

849
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:13,720
Speaker 3: in right behind him, just started doing that job because

850
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 3: the Cubans and the Grenadians had cluttered the runway so

851
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 3: you couldn't land planes on it. So they're pulling light

852
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:23,320
Speaker 3: towers off and hammer and rebar into the tarmac to

853
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 3: get it to clear it. Your oil drums and stuff

854
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 3: all over the place. And these guys just to go

855
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:30,879
Speaker 3: to work clearing the runway so the subsequent flights can

856
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:31,239
Speaker 3: come in.

857
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 2: So was the rangers job to seize air fields at

858
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:37,320
Speaker 2: the time, was that their their task.

859
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:39,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, at that time they had been training for that

860
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:44,280
Speaker 3: particular thing, and it culminated with First Ranger Battalion executing

861
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:46,799
Speaker 3: an exercise called Demo three, which they did for a

862
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:50,280
Speaker 3: bunch of VIPs to show that they could clear the runway,

863
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:52,479
Speaker 3: and then they immediately went off of Ranger Ready Force

864
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:56,239
Speaker 3: one status and passed it to Second Ranger Battalion. But

865
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 3: the mission expanded. Originally they thought it was only going

866
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 3: to be one battalion mission, and then they expanded it too,

867
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:04,920
Speaker 3: so you had both First and Second going in. Now,

868
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 3: some of the rosters repaired down for the battalions because

869
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 3: they had limited aircraft space and they had to basically

870
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:14,479
Speaker 3: designed a second wave to come in, which they didn't

871
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 3: really need. A partial second wave came in, but they

872
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:20,320
Speaker 3: had enough Rangers to accomplish the mission at that point.

873
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean, they just they just went in

874
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 3: and they went and got after it. And that's the

875
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 3: that's the best part about writing about this is to

876
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:30,719
Speaker 3: show that the that fighting spirit from World War II

877
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:35,480
Speaker 3: to Korea to Vietnam to urgent fury, it never let up.

878
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 3: These guys just they they they had that same fighting

879
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:39,719
Speaker 3: spirit and at the end of the day, they just

880
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 3: went after the enemy and accomplished their missions and rescued

881
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 3: these these medical students.

882
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 2: Right, that's the it was the hostages, right, they were

883
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 2: going into rescue the students. They had been taken over

884
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:51,080
Speaker 2: by like guerrillas and Grenada.

885
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 3: Like the Grenada military, there was a shoot on site curfew.

886
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 3: There had been an overthrow of the government, and Reagan

887
00:40:57,560 --> 00:40:59,440
Speaker 3: did not want to have a repeat of the Iran

888
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 3: hostage situation. So basically, you had an overthrow of a government,

889
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 3: you had the building of a runway that could service

890
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 3: long range bombers, and you had a American students that

891
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:13,959
Speaker 3: could have been taken hostage. So that's basically a three

892
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,719
Speaker 3: for And I don't think Reagan had the appetite to

893
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 3: sit down and want and wait for that situation to

894
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 3: work its way out and.

895
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 2: See what happened. So he just is like, we're going

896
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:23,759
Speaker 2: to go in. We're not going to let this go

897
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:27,719
Speaker 2: any further because of what happened. Now. I think Grenada

898
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:31,480
Speaker 2: was colonized by Britain until like the sixties, and then

899
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:35,280
Speaker 2: it was maybe released back to its own nations people

900
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 2: in sixty seven seventy.

901
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 3: Essentially and then they had the British representative on the islander.

902
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 3: Island was called the Governor General, and that was a

903
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 3: guy named Sir Paul Scoon and he was actually the

904
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 3: focus of another special operations mission on the island. I

905
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:51,800
Speaker 3: don't cover it in cry Havoc. Cry Havoc is the

906
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 3: first of several books about the grenade operation. The Governor

907
00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 3: General rescue will be covered in a different book. But yeah,

908
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:02,919
Speaker 3: that's that's a whole other kettle of fish in terms

909
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 3: of operations. Yeah, right, right, operations within an operation, you know.

910
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:11,319
Speaker 2: All the time. Well, like I was talking to like

911
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 2: even Cyrus right as a ranger, and he said, well,

912
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 2: we'd go out on a mission and that mission turned

913
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:19,359
Speaker 2: into second mission, and that second mission turned into third

914
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:21,359
Speaker 2: mission and that third mission and pretty spin, I did

915
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 2: fourteen missions in a day.

916
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 3: And yeah, you know, if you did that in Iraq

917
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:26,880
Speaker 3: and three when I went in, we just called it

918
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 3: going frag o to frag O to frag go to Frago.

919
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:32,919
Speaker 3: So you're just getting fragmentary orders to execute an ad

920
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 3: hoc mission. But you go into your mission planning cycle

921
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 3: the same way you would for regular mission. It's just

922
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:42,359
Speaker 3: very truncated and very short compared to your your a

923
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:44,440
Speaker 3: full length op order that you would.

924
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:47,760
Speaker 2: Get who'd you go in with in the Marine Corps intelligence,

925
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:49,440
Speaker 2: But you guys went in and did frags like were

926
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:52,400
Speaker 2: you guys, you know, combative house to house and you

927
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:53,719
Speaker 2: were just gathering intel that way.

928
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 3: So I was I was the assistant intel chief for

929
00:42:57,160 --> 00:43:00,120
Speaker 3: second Marine Regiment. We were the ground combat element and

930
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 3: for Task Force Tarawa. The big battle we took part

931
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:04,840
Speaker 3: in that we're probably most well known for is the

932
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 3: battle in nazarea, you know three. We did a lot

933
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:11,799
Speaker 3: of intelligence collection and triaging, assessments, and then you write

934
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 3: reports up. We did have a couple of sporty gun

935
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:18,359
Speaker 3: fights in there from time to time. Later on, as

936
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:20,319
Speaker 3: the ground campaign was kind of wearing down, we did

937
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:22,439
Speaker 3: some house to house work, but that was mostly because

938
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 3: we were doing security patrols around where wherever our camp was.

939
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:30,360
Speaker 3: Our position was essentially security patrols to make sure we

940
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:33,279
Speaker 3: don't get you know, ambush or surprise or anything. But

941
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 3: we did a lot of intelligence collection and then assessment

942
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 3: and passed it on to Special Operations Forces for the

943
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:41,400
Speaker 3: rescue of Jessica Lynch.

944
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, so the private who was contribute to that driver

945
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:50,000
Speaker 2: that was taken captured in her convoy and uh, that's right,

946
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:53,799
Speaker 2: that's right. Dang dude, this is crazy. You know. Was

947
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:56,920
Speaker 2: it biblical over there for you? Did you feel like

948
00:43:56,920 --> 00:44:00,359
Speaker 2: like this is so like this is biblical area because

949
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 2: you see the stones and like the sandstone and like,

950
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:04,799
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying.

951
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:06,919
Speaker 3: I didn't. I don't know if I had that kind

952
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 3: of deep thought about it at the time, because I

953
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:12,920
Speaker 3: was responsible for, you know, about twenty five marines, so

954
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:15,239
Speaker 3: you kind of you've got your you've got your work

955
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 3: to do, and then you've got your marines to look after,

956
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:19,400
Speaker 3: so kind of pre you're preoccupied with that kind of

957
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:22,440
Speaker 3: stuff most of the time. So I did have an

958
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:25,840
Speaker 3: appreciation for that, especially when we started getting up near Baghdad.

959
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 3: We got to go to Babylon, which was right here

960
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 3: to see this stuff.

961
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying.

962
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:33,880
Speaker 3: I got to see like the original ruins of Babylon,

963
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 3: which was I mean, it was just yeah, I mean,

964
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 3: it's it's mind blown when you think about the age

965
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 3: of that stuff and and the historical it's place in history,

966
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 3: like the hanging gardens of Babylon and the you know,

967
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 3: all of that stuff and.

968
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 2: Well a lot of a lot of what's in these

969
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:54,799
Speaker 2: Bibles are written from yeah, Babylon and stuff, you know.

970
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 2: So I'm just like, you know, you're going over there,

971
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:59,360
Speaker 2: and you know, we grew up I grew up you know,

972
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:01,920
Speaker 2: in a religious families, so we hear all these you know,

973
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 2: stories and told all these songs and everything, and then

974
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:07,919
Speaker 2: it's like marching left right left. Yeah.

975
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 3: I think in the later portions of the campaign, because

976
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:12,880
Speaker 3: I was only there for f one, you can be

977
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:15,440
Speaker 3: a little bit more introspective as the as the the

978
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 3: really dynamic combat starts to wind down and you got

979
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 3: a little bit more time to take in the surroundings

980
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 3: and do a little more deep thinking. Yeah, especially like

981
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 3: I said, up in their Hilla and Babylon was was

982
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 3: pretty pretty uh surreal real to be there. Yeah, But

983
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:35,319
Speaker 3: you know, you hear at the land of the Two

984
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:37,319
Speaker 3: Rivers or the Fertile Crescent and all that, and when

985
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 3: you get to that land in between the Euphrates River

986
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:44,760
Speaker 3: and the Tigris River and you see, you know, how

987
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 3: fertile it is there, and you know, you don't expect

988
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 3: to see that much green in places and palm trees

989
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:53,400
Speaker 3: and things like that, and you know, it kind of

990
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 3: blows your mind a little bit.

991
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 2: But a little beauty of the land right at, Beauty

992
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:00,719
Speaker 2: of the land is what you're seeing versus And I was.

993
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 3: Down South most of the time, and most of those

994
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 3: folks are just farmers trying to make it day to day.

995
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:07,400
Speaker 3: So I have real affinity for some of the the

996
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 3: folks down there. They're all Shia, they're all you know,

997
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:12,239
Speaker 3: very family focused. They got a chance to talk to

998
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:14,359
Speaker 3: some of them as as the campaign was winding down,

999
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:18,319
Speaker 3: and most of them the same thing. They just want

1000
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 3: to raise their families and you know, live in peace

1001
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:23,759
Speaker 3: and not not get blown up and not be oppressed.

1002
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 2: And you know, blown up and oppressed. Who wants that.

1003
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:30,480
Speaker 3: Nobody. Nobody's trying to raise their kids and not be

1004
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:33,319
Speaker 3: in danger. I mean, I thought that was And they're

1005
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:35,480
Speaker 3: just farmers. They're simple people. They don't have a lot

1006
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 3: of you know, don't have a lot of money. Their

1007
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 3: families everything that focus for them.

1008
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:42,600
Speaker 2: So we're at war. I'm just farming my land, bro, Like,

1009
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:44,480
Speaker 2: where'd you come from? What is that?

1010
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:44,880
Speaker 3: Like?

1011
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:45,240
Speaker 2: Space?

1012
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 3: Aliens?

1013
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:49,960
Speaker 2: Yeah? Aliens, dude, that'd be crazy. It's not like you're

1014
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:52,840
Speaker 2: knocking on doors too much. You know, Yeah, can we

1015
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:55,280
Speaker 2: come in. Do you want to hear about our word

1016
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:58,839
Speaker 2: of wisdom? Like how you do it? How you doing?

1017
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, trying not to fear with them too much in

1018
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 3: their their life. You know, we had things to do,

1019
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:05,279
Speaker 3: and we did them, and we tried to you know,

1020
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:07,239
Speaker 3: if they came up to us and wanted to talk

1021
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:09,759
Speaker 3: or you know, we we brought out our turps and

1022
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 3: we chat with them for a little bit and then

1023
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:12,279
Speaker 3: we'd be on our way.

1024
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:16,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's crazy. Well, I'm glad you made it through

1025
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:18,399
Speaker 2: all of that, and I'm glad that you were able

1026
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 2: to get home and to your wife and you know,

1027
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 2: thanks family. You have kids and things like that.

1028
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, got two of them. Yeah, they were they're adult now,

1029
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 3: so I don't you know, Dad's not cool to with anymore.

1030
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 2: Before you enlisted, did you did you I mean excuse me,

1031
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:32,920
Speaker 2: did you have when you were enlisted or did you

1032
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 2: have when you got out?

1033
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:35,919
Speaker 3: No, we had them when I when I was still

1034
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 3: in the service.

1035
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:39,480
Speaker 2: So you had to deal with the separation from your family.

1036
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 3: And yeah, I know three my daughter was three years old.

1037
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:44,280
Speaker 3: It was really weird coming back and her not really

1038
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 3: recognizing me at first, But you know, dad was gone

1039
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 3: for a while, and you know, after a while, Yeah,

1040
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:53,239
Speaker 3: she figures it out after a while, you know. And

1041
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:55,279
Speaker 3: then we had our school son a little while a

1042
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:56,359
Speaker 3: little while after that.

1043
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:58,399
Speaker 2: So well, I'm sure that there's others out there who

1044
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 2: are listening who can relate to separation from their loved

1045
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:05,600
Speaker 2: ones to deploy, right, Yeah, whether they're I'm just saying.

1046
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 3: And I'm always gonna plug. If you're having trouble reconcile

1047
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:13,239
Speaker 3: and adjusting, et cetera, you talk to somebody. Talk to

1048
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:15,239
Speaker 3: the guys and gals you were over there with, talk

1049
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 3: to your family. Don't be afraid to unload just because

1050
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:21,239
Speaker 3: they didn't have the same experience as you you did.

1051
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 3: Let them hear you, Let them be there for you,

1052
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:27,720
Speaker 3: and stick around because people want you to stay around.

1053
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:29,200
Speaker 3: The world's better place.

1054
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:29,879
Speaker 2: So in it.

1055
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 3: Don't don't take don't do something drastic that you and

1056
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:34,280
Speaker 3: everybody else will regret.

1057
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:37,879
Speaker 2: Right, it just doesn't work out for the best as

1058
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 2: you might think it would. So we love you. And

1059
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:43,120
Speaker 2: if you have problems out there and you're deciding on

1060
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 2: your life, you want to hit me up on Instagram

1061
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:47,239
Speaker 2: or anything. I've talked to folks all the time and

1062
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 2: how you doing. You know, They're like, hey, Rad, did

1063
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:51,160
Speaker 2: you really mean that? And I'm like, I don't know you,

1064
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:53,399
Speaker 2: but yes, yes, I did mean that.

1065
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:56,239
Speaker 3: There's plenty of outlets to do it too, don't you know.

1066
00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:58,960
Speaker 3: Don't feel like you're painting yourself into a box and

1067
00:48:59,000 --> 00:48:59,759
Speaker 3: you can't get out of it.

1068
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 2: I think the VA actually has like an eight eight

1069
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:05,319
Speaker 2: eight number now, I believe is what it is, and

1070
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:08,640
Speaker 2: they're pushing that out there. So you know, hey, if

1071
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:10,680
Speaker 2: you needs want to talk to you can hit the VA.

1072
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:12,480
Speaker 2: Someone there probably knows what's going on. Go hang out

1073
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:14,680
Speaker 2: with the canteen or they're smoking, Come up with the

1074
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:17,520
Speaker 2: come up with your own book. There you go.

1075
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:21,359
Speaker 3: I thought, I you know, funny you say that. I thought,

1076
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:23,480
Speaker 3: you know, writing I wrote a lot of my own

1077
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:26,920
Speaker 3: stuff down, not for publishing, but just for one it

1078
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:29,240
Speaker 3: was just good to get it out on the page.

1079
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 3: And two, I've always felt like if something did happen

1080
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:34,200
Speaker 3: to me, there would be a record for my family

1081
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:38,239
Speaker 3: to understand. So sometimes just putting pen to paper, hitting

1082
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:40,760
Speaker 3: the keys provides a little relief.

1083
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:43,279
Speaker 2: So a little dear diary is not a bad thing.

1084
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:46,319
Speaker 3: Find find an outlet, find something that makes you feel good.

1085
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:49,879
Speaker 2: I love that. I love that, and I love you

1086
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:51,960
Speaker 2: and I want you to know that I appreciate you,

1087
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:54,759
Speaker 2: and you spran forward in your smile, and I know

1088
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:57,160
Speaker 2: we just really have met in this last hour of

1089
00:49:57,200 --> 00:50:00,080
Speaker 2: our lives. But I just want people to know that

1090
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:04,400
Speaker 2: they can talk to strangers, have positive conversations with one another,

1091
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:08,480
Speaker 2: not get waving flags right this whole tote in your

1092
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:10,919
Speaker 2: flags and stuff. Let's just remember that we all believe

1093
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:13,319
Speaker 2: the same blood on this earth, and we should all

1094
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:14,759
Speaker 2: just be trying to get along so we don't have

1095
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:16,640
Speaker 2: to use the Marines, even though the Marines want to

1096
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 2: get used. I know, I know.

1097
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:22,479
Speaker 3: We want to get out there and do the job.

1098
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:23,000
Speaker 3: That's the thing.

1099
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 2: Oh, I know, Oh I know, and I want you

1100
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:27,799
Speaker 2: to as well. But if it means that you get

1101
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:29,600
Speaker 2: to stay alive and don't have to fight but you're

1102
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:32,160
Speaker 2: ready to fight, I'm good with that too, right because

1103
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:34,840
Speaker 2: all right, Well, I want to say thank you to

1104
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:37,359
Speaker 2: Cyrus for linking me up with you, Joe, and you've

1105
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 2: been a wonderful guest. Yeah, And when you get your

1106
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:42,719
Speaker 2: other book going and you want to come back on

1107
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 2: the show, you're always welcome to, you know, jump onto

1108
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 2: the soft Rep family here and the soft Rep mafia

1109
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:57,360
Speaker 2: as we call it now. Joe Muchiya gunnery sergeant, retired author, father, husband, son,

1110
00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:00,800
Speaker 2: you have been an outstanding individual. We'll talk to you today.

1111
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:02,239
Speaker 3: Thanks brother, it's been great.

1112
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:05,279
Speaker 2: It's been really great. Now on behalf of me and

1113
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:07,680
Speaker 2: behalf of Joe. I want to say thank you from

1114
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:09,720
Speaker 2: all of us here at soft Rep and especially to Brandon.

1115
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:13,560
Speaker 2: Thanks for always having me run the show and trusting

1116
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:15,680
Speaker 2: in me. Bro I really appreciate your brother. So fist

1117
00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:19,759
Speaker 2: pump to Brandon and get outside of nature. Go out

1118
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:22,200
Speaker 2: and breathe some fresh air. Go for a hike, surround

1119
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:25,520
Speaker 2: yourself with some water around your feet. Go take a

1120
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:28,919
Speaker 2: swim at the local pool. There's nothing like water and

1121
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:32,480
Speaker 2: the surroundings to help clear your thoughts. And I like

1122
00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:37,160
Speaker 2: to say thrills before pills, so believe in that. Get

1123
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:40,000
Speaker 2: out and go enjoy yourself and check on your battle

1124
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 2: buddies and your neighbors. And this is rad saying. Check

1125
00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:44,399
Speaker 2: out the book club at soft rep dot com.

1126
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:54,440
Speaker 1: Peace, you've been listening to self red Radia