Speaker 1: Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show. On iHeartRadio.
Speaker 1: Last episode, I talked about taking advice from people who
Speaker 1: don't know what they're talking about. The example that I
Speaker 1: used was this perpetually single young woman on the Internet
Speaker 1: who offers advice about relationships to men. She has no
Speaker 1: idea about anything, not even the basics, and I don't
Speaker 1: recommend listening to her. I was thinking about this as
Speaker 1: Greta Thunberg hit the news again. Greta, of course, is
Speaker 1: the Swedish girl who quit school to travel around the
Speaker 1: world and lecture us about climate change, and now she's
Speaker 1: on to the latest cause, the Warren Gaza, and she's
Speaker 1: wearing a cafea and protesting a Jewish singer performing at
Speaker 1: the Eurovision Company Titian in Malmo. Greta had this childlike
Speaker 1: understanding of the environment. She had these insane demands like
Speaker 1: end oil, you know, which would have caused hardship and
Speaker 1: poverty and pain for people all over the world, and
Speaker 1: yet she was taken seriously. And now she's on to
Speaker 1: anti Israel demonstrations, which I'm also sure she knows nothing about.
Speaker 1: She was turned into a child activist by adults and
Speaker 1: now she's this empty adult going through the motions, tagging
Speaker 1: on to whatever demonstration will have her. And part of it,
Speaker 1: I think is that we're drawn to atypical advice givers.
Speaker 1: Here's this little girl from Sweden telling us we need
Speaker 1: to end oil, or here's this single woman on the
Speaker 1: internet giving advice to men. This isn't a political show,
Speaker 1: but it's important to be able to ignore ignorant voice
Speaker 1: is like Greta's, and societally we really failed to do that.
Speaker 1: I've mentioned on my Twitter, et cetera that for a
Speaker 1: long time, and I actually mentioned this in my book
Speaker 1: Stolen Youth as well. My son in first grade in
Speaker 1: school in Brooklyn when we lived there, had months where
Speaker 1: I would ask him what are you learning in school?
Speaker 1: And he'd come back and say Greta. And so societally
Speaker 1: we failed to ignore her. We have failed to ignore
Speaker 1: this ignorant voice. And I think that the personal changes
Speaker 1: that we talk about on this show, like not listening
Speaker 1: to people who don't know anything, can translate to society
Speaker 1: being better about this kind of thing too. If in
Speaker 1: our own lives we know to dismiss people giving bad advice,
Speaker 1: maybe that can trickle down to our culture recognizing a
Speaker 1: Greta when they next see her. Coming up next, an
Speaker 1: interview with Jordan Shaftel. Join us after the break.
Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Carol Marcowitz Show on iHeartRadio. My
Speaker 2: guest today is Jordan Shackdal. Jordan is publisher of the
Speaker 2: Dossier on Substack. Hi, Jordan, so nice to have you.
Speaker 3: Hey, Carol, It's good to be here. Appreciate you having
Speaker 3: me on.
Speaker 2: So, Jordan's also part of our Florida crew.
Speaker 4: And you also moved here from where did you move
Speaker 4: here from? DC?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 5: I was in d C for far too long. I
Speaker 5: went to graduate school there. I grew up in Jersey
Speaker 5: across from New York City and ended up in DC
Speaker 5: for graduate school. Stayed for a while. You know, I
Speaker 5: had a pretty decent time until the COVID era and
Speaker 5: then all hell broke loose and I just couldn't take
Speaker 5: it anymore. And you know, had a good network of
Speaker 5: friends and family down in Florida. So I was just
Speaker 5: you know, I think it was like somewhere around mid
Speaker 5: twenty twenty where I was just like I'm out of here,
Speaker 5: like I've just got enough.
Speaker 2: I don't think I I knew you got here mid
Speaker 2: twenty twenty. That makes you one of the earlier people.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think only John Cardillo beats you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and David Reboy. Both of them were pre COVID.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: John is like the unofficial ambassador from Florida to the
Speaker 5: United States, and Reboy is the Miami local who's been
Speaker 5: here for a while.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's the mayor.
Speaker 2: I definitely credit Reboy with some level of making me
Speaker 2: consider Florida.
Speaker 4: I mean, obviously there were larger.
Speaker 2: Things at play, but he, you know, he definitely played
Speaker 2: a role being the mayor of Miami and telling me
Speaker 2: how great my social life was going to be when
Speaker 2: I got here. And you know, he wasn't wrong. But
Speaker 2: I had John on here a few weeks ago and
Speaker 2: we talked about how he came here for like sleepy Florida,
Speaker 2: and I don't feel like that's what we got at all,
Speaker 2: do you think that?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 5: You know, like I kind of like the mix that
Speaker 5: we have in Florida. I grew up coming down here
Speaker 5: because you know, a lot of my family with snowbirds
Speaker 5: and those in the Northeast.
Speaker 4: Can you understand that snowbirds to Florida weird?
Speaker 5: Yeah, there's a whole. There should be many books written
Speaker 5: about it. But basically, you know, you you spend the
Speaker 5: winter months in Florida or at least have a place
Speaker 5: or rent a place for the holidays. But yeah, so
Speaker 5: I spend a lot of time in Florida growing up,
Speaker 5: and you're right, it was like old sleepy Florida, which
Speaker 5: I wasn't particularly fond of, but you know, now in
Speaker 5: my mid thirties as as an old sleepy person, No,
Speaker 5: but it was interesting because, like, you know, you you
Speaker 5: come to appreciate more of that stuff.
Speaker 3: But also Florida is.
Speaker 5: So much more lively now than it used to be.
Speaker 5: You know, even the architecture, the neighborhoods. It's just a
Speaker 5: whole different ballgame down here, and you know, I so
Speaker 5: much appreciate that that it's not, you know, just the
Speaker 5: reputation that it used to have, just as like basically
Speaker 5: Heaven's uh, you know, waiting room is definitely you know,
Speaker 5: there's still that element. But I think Florida is so
Speaker 5: you know, diverse, the demographics now in a good way,
Speaker 5: and it's.
Speaker 4: Like such a happening place.
Speaker 2: I feel like everything is happening here and like people
Speaker 2: are constantly coming here.
Speaker 4: I mean, I guess they always were.
Speaker 2: Florida was always a vacation destination, but now there's so
Speaker 2: many events and like political stuff and like a lot
Speaker 2: of our world plays out here. I think more than ever,
Speaker 2: I I don't feel like I have to leave here
Speaker 2: to get the full experience.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Absolutely, Like, you know, I think about my time
Speaker 5: in d C, and you know, we had a lot
Speaker 5: of good times with fellow right leaning people down there,
Speaker 5: but are up there? And I say down there because
Speaker 5: I'm from New Jersey, so but it's you know, I
Speaker 5: think back at like get togethers and whatnot. Basically everyone
Speaker 5: has left, so you know, there's probably no cool get
Speaker 5: togethers in DC anyway anymore, or if that applies, could
Speaker 5: there be?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, gone, Yeah, I've never lived in DC, I mean briefly,
Speaker 2: like during an internship, But yeah, how could there possibly
Speaker 2: be when everybody's in Florida exactly? So you published the
Speaker 2: Dot and you have a wide, wide following. What kind
Speaker 2: of stuff do you cover in your subject?
Speaker 3: Yeah? So we basically cover everything.
Speaker 5: And the only rule, you know, it's it's coming from
Speaker 5: a right of center conservative slash libertarian slash you know,
Speaker 5: freedom oriented whatever you want to call it perspective. But
Speaker 5: you know, the only thing that I think that our
Speaker 5: audience looks for consistently is the analysis or journalism needs
Speaker 5: to be independent. I'm trying to get away far as
Speaker 5: far away from possible as possible from like the aggregation,
Speaker 5: the clickbait that you know, you see a story somewhere
Speaker 5: and you just kind of repeat it in your own
Speaker 5: words elsewhere. I did that when I was in you know,
Speaker 5: other parts of the right of center media.
Speaker 3: Working under you know, a big.
Speaker 5: Company, not corporate media, but you know, kind of like
Speaker 5: anti establishment media, and I found that kind of boring,
Speaker 5: so I definitely didn't want to bring that work into
Speaker 5: my own publication. So I think that's what we try
Speaker 5: to do, is you know, we we try to give
Speaker 5: our audience a unique set of facts and circumstances on
Speaker 5: every story, or a unique perspective, and try to engage
Speaker 5: with it from you know, our open bias.
Speaker 2: So I feel like I started reading you early COVID,
Speaker 2: and you were one of the early voices, i mean
Speaker 2: against lockdowns and you know, later on against vaccines, but
Speaker 2: the lockdown stuff specifically, how did you know, like what
Speaker 2: made you think like this is the wrong path and
Speaker 2: we can be doing this.
Speaker 4: Because I have to admit.
Speaker 2: I mean I was like, I'm in April twenty twenty,
Speaker 2: we shouldn't lock down anymore, which you know is considered early,
Speaker 2: but you were before that. So what made you kind
Speaker 2: of see the light earlier than everybody else?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I've kind of always had this like anti authority
Speaker 5: streak from from not from like an antifa perspective, but
Speaker 5: from a right wing perspective. So you know, super early on,
Speaker 5: I remember because you know, I read the news every
Speaker 5: day and like that's what like a lot of people
Speaker 5: are our industry do, Like we're just reading all day
Speaker 5: on the internet all day. I was going to social
Speaker 5: events with non political people and like in very early
Speaker 5: twenty twenty, like January February, and I was like wow,
Speaker 5: Like I was the one that was freaked out in
Speaker 5: the beginning because I was like, wow, I can't believe
Speaker 5: this is going on, Like don't these people know that
Speaker 5: all these scientists are saying these awful things? And then it,
Speaker 5: you know, the way the waves started coming to the US,
Speaker 5: and you know, the more and more reading I did,
Speaker 5: the more and more I realized that like none of
Speaker 5: this was based in any evidentiary standard, and that what
Speaker 5: happened basically was that there was this consensus formed I
Speaker 5: think among the academics and you know, science class in
Speaker 5: which it kind of like frowze so many people into
Speaker 5: this state of like dysfunction and being afraid to say
Speaker 5: something because like, I think a lot of people were
Speaker 5: thinking what I was thinking, but they just weren't willing
Speaker 5: to put themselves out there because of the repercussions, because
Speaker 5: of the group think, you know, very similar to any
Speaker 5: type of like you know, I cover foreign policy too
Speaker 5: a lot, and like how the right got caught so
Speaker 5: off guard with like a war like Iraq, or you know,
Speaker 5: finally agreeing that we needed to leave Afghanistan eventually. So
Speaker 5: like that stuff is just hard. When there's so much
Speaker 5: consensus among people who are your peers, you never really want.
Speaker 5: That's I think what one of the lessons of the
Speaker 5: COVID hysteria era is that, you know, it's very difficult
Speaker 5: to show to really truly be an end of kind
Speaker 5: of thinker and to be outspoken about issues like that.
Speaker 5: I think it's just it showed that human nature is
Speaker 5: kind of just like get along with the crowd, and
Speaker 5: that really came to harm us during the COVID era.
Speaker 2: It's interesting because I you know, I admit I was
Speaker 2: for the Iraq War, and that was an extremely popular position.
Speaker 2: But looking back at it, I think like the people
Speaker 2: that were arguing against it were making such terrible arguments,
Speaker 2: Like there were so few. I remember the libertarians were
Speaker 2: making like good anti war you know, arguments, but on
Speaker 2: the left in general, it was like Irish is just
Speaker 2: doing this because he wants their oil or he's trying
Speaker 2: to avenge his daddy.
Speaker 3: Like it was not very.
Speaker 2: Serious, and it seemed like the pro war side. I
Speaker 2: mean I was, I was young, I was in my
Speaker 2: early twenties. I mean, I don't I don't feel particularly
Speaker 2: responsible for the opinians I had at the time.
Speaker 4: But but I remember reading all about.
Speaker 2: It and it was like the pro war side was
Speaker 2: like just more serious, And I think that's really what
Speaker 2: lured me into thinking that it was a good idea,
Speaker 2: because the anti war side was just ridiculous.
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, I agree, like that the neo conservatives were
Speaker 5: true intellectuals. I thought that that just you know, their
Speaker 5: policy ideas were were atrocious, but you know, they were
Speaker 5: very well educated and they had you know, basically taken
Speaker 5: over the Republican Party.
Speaker 3: I mean I was, I think I was.
Speaker 5: The first time I voted, I was eighteen, freshman year
Speaker 5: of college. I voted for John McCain. Right, So we all,
Speaker 5: we all make mistakes, but you're right, like, what's the alternative?
Speaker 3: It was Barack Obama?
Speaker 2: Right, So it's like sometimes, no, that's an easy I
Speaker 2: feel like that's an easier choice.
Speaker 5: Yeah, But it's just you know, sometimes like we're just
Speaker 5: faced with two competing groups that don't want to facilitate
Speaker 5: our interests, and I think, like that's you know, that's
Speaker 5: the that's the reality of our system right now. But
Speaker 5: like I would still prefer that system to like, you know,
Speaker 5: we see what's going on in Israel with the canesset
Speaker 5: or in Europe with these you know, the parliamentary system
Speaker 5: where you have thousand different parties and then you know
Speaker 5: you really can't get anything done. So you know, there's
Speaker 5: positives and negatives.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, So what would you be doing if it
Speaker 2: weren't this, If you weren't a writer?
Speaker 4: What would be Plan B for Jordan?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 5: I don't know, Like I wanted to have a real
Speaker 5: job my whole life, and then when I was in
Speaker 5: grad school, you know, I just started like I.
Speaker 3: Wanted to have a real job.
Speaker 5: So when I was in graduate school for international affairs,
Speaker 5: I wanted to be basically like a deep state fed.
Speaker 5: And I think I was too maybe open in that
Speaker 5: interview process and they didn't want to move my applications forward,
Speaker 5: which ended up being a blessing. But you know, and
Speaker 5: then before that, you know, growing up, I just wanted
Speaker 5: to be you know, pro baseball player, pro basketball player,
Speaker 5: pro ball you know, makes some I don't work out. Yeah,
Speaker 5: like probably, I'm sure that's what your kids are looking
Speaker 5: at right now, but it's yeah, you.
Speaker 3: Know, like I kind of just fell into this.
Speaker 5: I was in grad school and one of my professors
Speaker 5: was like, hey, that paper was kind of interesting. You
Speaker 5: want to submit that, And I submitted it, I think
Speaker 5: to like Breitbart or something, and then I started working
Speaker 5: at Breitbart, and then you know, from there, it's been
Speaker 5: it's been like twelve years in this space now, so
Speaker 5: I know for a lot of people that's not too long,
Speaker 5: but you know, it just became more and more interesting,
Speaker 5: and I think, you know, the best way to become
Speaker 5: a better writer is just to write more and read
Speaker 5: more too, So as I became yeah, as my skills improved,
Speaker 5: I think that like more people became interested in my work,
Speaker 5: so you know, kind of had this effect of encouraging
Speaker 5: me to continue pressing on.
Speaker 3: But never would I have imagined.
Speaker 5: You know, in my first twenty years of life, that
Speaker 5: I would be doing this right now. You know, I'm
Speaker 5: not a particularly extroverted person, so being like in the
Speaker 5: media space is kind of weird. For it's still kind
Speaker 5: of weird, but I very much enjoy it now were
Speaker 5: you're doing great.
Speaker 4: I think.
Speaker 2: I think this interview is going really well. So you
Speaker 2: have the substack where you support yourself on it, and
Speaker 2: you have you know, your your own publication, and that's
Speaker 2: really dazzling to me. I mean, you know, you and
Speaker 2: I have had conversations and you've encouraged me to start
Speaker 2: a substack, and I'm like, I'm just too old for this.
Speaker 4: I don't understand how it works, but.
Speaker 2: You're doing it, and I think that's really impressive. Do
Speaker 2: you feel like you've made it, like you get to do.
Speaker 4: Whatever you want.
Speaker 5: I think that it's great to have that kind of flexibility.
Speaker 5: I don't like phrasing it as if I've made it because,
Speaker 5: like you, I'm sure you encounter these people all the
Speaker 5: time who have internalized this idea that they've made it,
Speaker 5: and you're having a conversation with them, and you just
Speaker 5: feel like it's a one way conversation from them to
Speaker 5: you because they've decided that there's nothing more that they
Speaker 5: can learn. So that's why I would never say that
Speaker 5: I've made it. But I think, like you know, kind
Speaker 5: of growing older and maturing, you start to kind of
Speaker 5: shift priorities from material possessions and goods to like, what
Speaker 5: is making it really mean? I think it would means, like,
Speaker 5: from my perspective, maybe having a big family and a
Speaker 5: cool legacy and to be remembered for doing something positive.
Speaker 5: And I think that would mean that I've made it.
Speaker 5: But I think like it like an Andrew Taate, like figure,
Speaker 5: I think that guy probably goes to sleep and he's
Speaker 5: absolutely miserable every night, although he probably is worth a
Speaker 5: billion dollars and might be the most influential thirty something
Speaker 5: on the planet. So, you know, making it it's you know,
Speaker 5: there's a wide variety of answers, but I think, like
Speaker 5: definitely making it to me would mean being like super
Speaker 5: content with how you're living your life, how you lived
Speaker 5: your life and the legacy that you left.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, I mean I asked that question of all my guests,
Speaker 2: and I've gotten a real range of answers, and you have,
Speaker 2: you know, multimillionaires who say that they haven't made it
Speaker 2: and people who make, you know, much more modest livings
Speaker 2: than saying that they have. And so I think it's
Speaker 2: it's really you know, obviously it's objective, but I love
Speaker 2: to hear what people.
Speaker 4: Think made it means. And so that's, you know, why
Speaker 4: why I keep that question in the roster. So one
Speaker 4: other question that I ask all of my guests, and.
Speaker 2: I feel like you probably are well poised to answer
Speaker 2: this because you write about this kind of stuff all
Speaker 2: the time. But what would you say is our largest
Speaker 2: cultural issue, like or societal issue in America?
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, I remember seeing this question, and I don't, like,
Speaker 5: I think that I am not qualified to give.
Speaker 3: Qualified But I know this show isn't political. However, It's okay.
Speaker 4: It could be it could be something.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, it fears into politics. I've had
Speaker 2: lots of guests who automatically just go go political because
Speaker 2: you know that that's what feels comfortable and it's it's okay,
Speaker 2: we accept it.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I think that there's an incredible detachment between the elected
Speaker 5: representatives and you know, the average American person. And while
Speaker 5: there's many people who claim to have the perfect system
Speaker 5: to resolve that issue, particularly like the fiscal status of
Speaker 5: the United States, you know, I've very much, i guess,
Speaker 5: evolved on this issue. Like I come from a very
Speaker 5: free market perspective and coming and similarly over the COVID years,
Speaker 5: I came to realize.
Speaker 3: That you know, there's there there's very much like.
Speaker 5: A uniparty system in the United States, because you know,
Speaker 5: there were there were very there's always been arguments from
Speaker 5: the right that the GOP is kind of like this
Speaker 5: party of big business, and the and the Democrat parties
Speaker 5: just like the insane party. And it's kind of true
Speaker 5: because like you know, if you look at income over
Speaker 5: time and like purchasing power of the dollar, like everybody's
Speaker 5: getting screwed at the expense of the very powerful interests
Speaker 5: in Washington, d c. And on Wall Street, and the
Speaker 5: capital just flows to people who are closest to the
Speaker 5: money printer today. And that's an issue that I think
Speaker 5: about a lot is like, how do we resolve that
Speaker 5: through you know, free market principles, because like I feel like,
Speaker 5: for a very long time under like you know, the Bush, McCain,
Speaker 5: Romney era of Republicanism and even some Trump stuff, Trump
Speaker 5: printed trillions of dollars too, like, and that did not
Speaker 5: do anything to resolve the issues of the income disparity
Speaker 5: in the United States. And I think it's a very
Speaker 5: real thing. And I think people are right, no matter
Speaker 5: what their ideology is, that this is a very troubling
Speaker 5: issue in the United States that people are saddled with
Speaker 5: so much debt today. Like I think about like my
Speaker 5: future children, God willing, like how going to be able
Speaker 5: to make sure that they have no debt because once
Speaker 5: the debt, you're basically begging the government, you know, you
Speaker 5: see with Biden right now, you're begging the government to
Speaker 5: bail out people who were saddled with student loans for
Speaker 5: many years prior. And there's really no way today. Like
Speaker 5: I know that the boomers and whatnot say that, oh,
Speaker 5: you know, I was washing cars pay through college. Well
Speaker 5: now college costs go to good school, and you don't
Speaker 5: you know, you don't have a you know, some type
Speaker 5: of wealth or scholarship. You know, you might be paying
Speaker 5: eighty thousand dollars a year to go to a top
Speaker 5: tier school. So it's like, how are you going to
Speaker 5: how are you going to get out of that debt hole?
Speaker 5: It's very difficult. So it's something that's always on my mind.
Speaker 5: It's like, how are we going to deal with this
Speaker 5: crisis of people being like if you're not working at
Speaker 5: a top pedge fund or private equity firm out of
Speaker 5: college like you have, and you don't have any support,
Speaker 5: Like this is very much an uphill battle that so
Speaker 5: many American states, right.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think that there's a lot of answers
Speaker 2: to this, but like, for one thing, I think people
Speaker 2: need to start either not going to college. And I
Speaker 2: know this is like an unpopular thing to say, but
Speaker 2: I'm not necessarily encouraging my kids to go to college.
Speaker 2: Like I think that they will because it's the path
Speaker 2: that everybody around them is taking.
Speaker 4: But I'm not saying to them like.
Speaker 2: You know, how you must or this is what you
Speaker 2: have to do if they want to pursue something else,
Speaker 2: I'm going to be completely open to it. But also
Speaker 2: the idea of state schools and community colleges like, we
Speaker 2: just don't. Everybody goes to these insanely expensive private Not everybody,
Speaker 2: but a lot of people go to these insanely expensive
Speaker 2: private schools, and I do amass this insane debt.
Speaker 4: Debt I called graduate school the most expensive mistake I've
Speaker 4: ever made. That was the first time in my life
Speaker 4: I had.
Speaker 2: Debt, and it was crippling and it was really scary,
Speaker 2: and it was unnecessary. I wish somebody had been there
Speaker 2: to be like this, you know, you want to go
Speaker 2: into politics, you don't.
Speaker 4: Need a graduate degree.
Speaker 2: This is like not at all necessary graduate degree?
Speaker 3: You don't I already have one.
Speaker 4: I already had one. I already had an undergraduate degree.
Speaker 2: And then I was working as a paralegal and I
Speaker 2: decided to switch fields, and I felt like I needed
Speaker 2: to go get.
Speaker 4: The graduate degree in order to switch fields.
Speaker 2: And what I learned is a nobody has ever asked
Speaker 2: to see the graduate degree or my grades or any
Speaker 2: of that. And I'm not sure I learned anything. I mean,
Speaker 2: I had some interesting teachers. I know, some like famous teachers.
Speaker 2: Dick Morris is one of my teachers. But it's ultimately
Speaker 2: I was so in the world already and I was
Speaker 2: so immersed in it that I didn't need to go
Speaker 2: to graduate school.
Speaker 1: We're going to take a quick break and be right
Speaker 1: back on the Carol Marcowitch Show.
Speaker 2: But what I wanted to say about the money printing,
Speaker 2: I like to say, you know, real capitalism has never
Speaker 2: been tried.
Speaker 4: But how do we fix that? How do we fix
Speaker 4: that flow?
Speaker 2: I think that you really it's a very interesting point,
Speaker 2: and it is political point, but it is also a
Speaker 2: cultural point that people are suffering and they're in debt,
Speaker 2: and this money printing situation that we've gotten ourselves into
Speaker 2: is so harmful. Like what what would Jordan Shaft tell
Speaker 2: them to do to fix this?
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, I think the solution is a multi
Speaker 5: generational approach. Obviously, you know, I'm very public about the
Speaker 5: fact that I'm a big bitcoiner, but other than bitcoin,
Speaker 5: will keep that aside because it's a very niche issue.
Speaker 5: You know, from very early on, people are indoctrinated in
Speaker 5: public schools and through college to accept premises that are
Speaker 5: that are ridiculous, and it creates a system in which
Speaker 5: the government, you know, Congress specifically and the FED are
Speaker 5: empowered to basically do whatever they want. And we've created
Speaker 5: this entire system in which, like you have all the
Speaker 5: top minds on Wall Street just you know, tuning into
Speaker 5: every FED press conference and then Congress, you know, every
Speaker 5: time there's a crisis, Prince trillions of dollars. And I
Speaker 5: think that there's not a lot of pushback because there's
Speaker 5: not a lot of people aren't really tuned into having
Speaker 5: solid economic principles, and until that changes, Congress is going
Speaker 5: to continue to get away with it. But if tens
Speaker 5: of millions of people understood that the people in Congress
Speaker 5: are basically robbing you and your family's future blind to
Speaker 5: pay for the priorities of the thousands of lobbyists who
Speaker 5: spend billions of dollars in DC to get, you know,
Speaker 5: whatever they want out of these legislatures, I think that,
Speaker 5: you know, at least through the democratic process, you could
Speaker 5: hold these people accountable. But there just doesn't seem to
Speaker 5: be enough of a wealth of knowledge right now about
Speaker 5: how much we're being screwed on this issue. Really, you know,
Speaker 5: the simplest thing to do is just to run the
Speaker 5: numbers and show people, like, you know, I've pretty much
Speaker 5: written off the idea that I'm going to be able
Speaker 5: to be collecting any type of you know, government welfare
Speaker 5: or social security checks in thirty years, so I think,
Speaker 5: you know, it's just something needs to be done. Unfortunately,
Speaker 5: I don't think that it's going to be done, you know,
Speaker 5: anytime soon. So that's why, you know, I became a
Speaker 5: big bitcointerer. It's like, you know, try to find a
Speaker 5: system that's detached from the money printer because I think
Speaker 5: like we're kind of just in this uh, you know,
Speaker 5: monetary death spiral that's just contributing to the likes of
Speaker 5: you know, Blackrock and JP Morgan while harming everyone else.
Speaker 5: So I still hold out hope that enough people can
Speaker 5: be fired up to make change, but if not, that's
Speaker 5: what I kind of view as the escape hatch to
Speaker 5: all the madness, you know.
Speaker 2: And Culture has this point where she says that the
Speaker 2: national debt is to Republicans as climate change is to Democrats,
Speaker 2: Like we keep saying it's the scary thing when nothing
Speaker 2: ever happens. And I think that's the concern. People don't
Speaker 2: understand the connection. They don't understand that, like how much
Speaker 2: money is printed and all of that, that it affects
Speaker 2: them every day.
Speaker 4: I'm not sure how to solve that.
Speaker 5: So answer the culture question, I think like the best
Speaker 5: example of what we were talking about is like, can.
Speaker 3: You pay your way through college today? Can you do
Speaker 3: what your grandparents said? Can you? Can you work?
Speaker 5: Can you wait tables and wash cars to pay for
Speaker 5: your tuition? The answer is obviously not, So what happened
Speaker 5: in between?
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's exactly. I think that's what Republicans are.
Speaker 2: You know, maybe not Republicans because they're just as culpable
Speaker 2: in this, but that's what people who care.
Speaker 4: About this should be saying.
Speaker 2: I guess is the all right, We've solved it. I
Speaker 2: think we did so good. So for my last question, Jordan,
Speaker 2: I like to end with if you could offer a
Speaker 2: life tip to my listeners.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I was looking at that question earlier and I was like, man,
Speaker 5: I got to put my Jordan.
Speaker 3: Peterson hat on.
Speaker 5: But you know, it's kind of similar themes to the
Speaker 5: question of having made it. What I find is that,
Speaker 5: you know, I'm always trying to work on keeping an
Speaker 5: open mind and listening to people, because although I thought
Speaker 5: I used to have an open mind and listen to people,
Speaker 5: I wasn't really listening to people. I was kind of
Speaker 5: just set in my ways. But in terms of Like
Speaker 5: you know, I think physical and mental fitness are very
Speaker 5: much connected. But you know, I'll leave the guru stuff
Speaker 5: to Jordan Peterson because, like you know, I don't really
Speaker 5: have I don't want to fall into the trap like
Speaker 5: I much rather would learn from people than to offer advice.
Speaker 5: And I think maybe I'm capable of giving some advice,
Speaker 5: but it's it's a difficult question for me because, like
Speaker 5: you know, everyone has their own set of circumstances.
Speaker 3: But I think that.
Speaker 5: Just to continue learning, like you know, the best thing
Speaker 5: that I think I'm doing is that I'm really trying
Speaker 5: to focus on continuing to learn and continuing to keep
Speaker 5: an open mind and hopefully.
Speaker 3: Keeps a great tip.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, I feel like you undersold yourself.
Speaker 2: Buck Sexton was like read before bed. I mean, it
Speaker 2: doesn't have to be, you know, Jordan Peterson esk. But
Speaker 2: I think continue learning is a great tip. Thank you
Speaker 2: so much for coming on, Jordan.
Speaker 3: No, thanks so much, Carol appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Thanks so much for joining us on the Carol Marcowitch Show.
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