1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,480 Speaker 1: Hi. This is new due to the virus. I'm recording 2 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:05,960 Speaker 1: from home, so you may notice a difference in audio quality. 3 00:00:09,080 --> 00:00:12,959 Speaker 1: On this episode of News World, protesters in Seattle, Washington 4 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:16,640 Speaker 1: declared an area that includes the Seattle Police Department's East 5 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:21,320 Speaker 1: Precinct as the Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone. After Seattle police 6 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:24,439 Speaker 1: in the National Guard pulled out of the region. The 7 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:29,080 Speaker 1: six block region has been declared an autonomous zone. Seattle's 8 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:33,159 Speaker 1: Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone is being referred to by occupants 9 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:37,879 Speaker 1: as CHAZZ, the Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone or chopped Capitol 10 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:42,239 Speaker 1: Hill Occupied protest. The occupants of CHAZ are refusing to 11 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:45,199 Speaker 1: leave until their demands are met. Here are just a 12 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:49,000 Speaker 1: few of them. The Seattle Police Department and attached court 13 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 1: system were beyond reform. We do not request reform. We 14 00:00:52,159 --> 00:00:56,840 Speaker 1: demand abolition. We demand the de gentrification of Seattle, starting 15 00:00:56,880 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 1: with rent control. We demand the hospital and care facilities 16 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:05,039 Speaker 1: of Seattle employed black doctors and nurses, specifically to help 17 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:08,399 Speaker 1: care for black patients. We demand with the history of 18 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:11,679 Speaker 1: black and Native Americans who given a significantly greater focus 19 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:15,640 Speaker 1: in the Washington State Education courth, My guests has been 20 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:19,200 Speaker 1: reporting from Seattle's Autonomos Zone for the past five days. 21 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 1: I'm pleased to welcome Andy Note, editor at large for 22 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:26,840 Speaker 1: The Post Millennial and contributor for Newsweek, The Wall Street Journal, 23 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 1: and Fox News, and author of the upcoming book Unmasked 24 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 1: Inside Antifa's a Radical Plan to Destroy Democracy. Let me 25 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 1: ask first, Andy, and I really am grateful you took 26 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 1: the time to talk to us, because I know you're 27 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 1: right in the middle of covering some pretty amazing stories. 28 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:01,600 Speaker 1: I'm fascinated because you have quite a reputation to go 29 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 1: with a lot of courage, who goes to some pretty 30 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 1: interesting places and has experiences that very few reporters do. 31 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 1: What's gotten you into that? How did that happen? Well, 32 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:19,680 Speaker 1: I think that rebellious flash dissenting spirits started probably when 33 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:22,359 Speaker 1: I was a student journalist. It was just a few 34 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:27,959 Speaker 1: years ago, in twenty sixteen twenty subeen. At that time 35 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 1: it was candidate Trump and then Trump's election win, and 36 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:39,919 Speaker 1: I lived through seeing that meltdown. From a university student perspective, 37 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 1: I really wanted to cover the stories that I felt 38 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:48,840 Speaker 1: like my tears and other co editors were not really 39 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:54,640 Speaker 1: interested in covering things about what made Trump appealing to 40 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:57,960 Speaker 1: some young people, but meet him appealing to some minorities. 41 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:01,760 Speaker 1: So it began with that, and then living and working 42 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:06,840 Speaker 1: in Portland at that time, naturally I developed some interest 43 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:13,120 Speaker 1: in covering Antifa because they were then there's nascent militant 44 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:20,080 Speaker 1: movements in the city that was leading these riots, particularly 45 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:25,240 Speaker 1: after the November twenty sixteen elections, and for the next 46 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 1: four years to the very present day, they've been riding 47 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:33,799 Speaker 1: in Portland and you can see not just in the 48 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 1: Pacific Northwest, but across the United States they play a 49 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 1: very important role in their small numbers in being agitators 50 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 1: and instigators of violence at demonstrations. Well didn't Antifa in 51 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 1: its modern form actually started in Portland about two thousand 52 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 1: and three. There are many anti flag groups, some of 53 00:03:57,920 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 1: them don't even use that name of them, just follow 54 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 1: in antipop ideology. But Portland is unique in that it 55 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 1: had the first formal organization called Broad City Antika, who 56 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 1: I'm suing, by the way, just putting that out for disclosure, 57 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:18,040 Speaker 1: that was formed in two thousand and seven. One co 58 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:24,599 Speaker 1: founder named Carolyn Victorian and her Swedish husband Johann Victorian, 59 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:32,000 Speaker 1: and they imported essentially a European model for organizing, recruitment 60 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 1: and radicalization. ANTUFA has been around for decades. It really 61 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:42,200 Speaker 1: grew out of the far left scene that developed in 62 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 1: Germany in the sixty and seventies, and it takes a 63 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:51,920 Speaker 1: lot of inspirations from various less and terrorist groups from Europe, 64 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 1: like the Iras for example, and their symbols and name 65 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 1: even is a spir by the antifi action. The original 66 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:07,640 Speaker 1: one was the paramilitary of the German Communist Party in 67 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:12,160 Speaker 1: Germany in the intour years, so they take inspiration for 68 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 1: something much older. Have been around for decades, and in 69 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:21,280 Speaker 1: terms of the American manifestation seemed to really become mainstream 70 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 1: in the past five years, in partially because of the 71 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:30,800 Speaker 1: last moving more and more to the last and being 72 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:34,840 Speaker 1: more embracing of radical and even I would say extreme. 73 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 1: The settlements Portland seems to be one of the central growths. 74 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 1: And you and I are talking the day after they 75 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:45,760 Speaker 1: apparently had riots in Portland. Why did he grow up there? 76 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:49,679 Speaker 1: What's your sense of Portland and Seattle? There's two West 77 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 1: Coast cities, each and their own unique way seems to 78 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 1: be cultivating a kind of radicalism totally outside the American experience. 79 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 1: To you, from Seattle normally on base in Portland in Seattle, 80 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 1: because I've been covering on the ground this so called 81 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 1: autonomous stone that's been established here in Portland. Last night 82 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 1: there was violent rioting. It's been happening every day for 83 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 1: eighteen nineteen days ever since the killing of George Floyd. 84 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:26,599 Speaker 1: Last night it was particularly bad because there were arson 85 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 1: attacks and looting. Specific northwest. I think a couple of 86 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 1: reasons for why this area of the country is where 87 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:39,599 Speaker 1: they are probably the most active and among the most violent. 88 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:44,120 Speaker 1: One is the establishment of it being around much longer, 89 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:48,240 Speaker 1: going back almost fifteen years in the case of Portland, 90 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 1: to the cities here are not too big. Both Portland 91 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:57,800 Speaker 1: in Seattle are around seven hundred thousand people each, and 92 00:06:57,880 --> 00:07:03,719 Speaker 1: so these are both left wing I would someone even 93 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:09,600 Speaker 1: say far less political monocultures. So there's really no presence 94 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 1: of conservatism or even moderate politics. Even in New York 95 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:19,559 Speaker 1: City or LA those places are big enough that there's 96 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:23,480 Speaker 1: still some type of conservative presence that is enough to 97 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 1: amass occasionally or whatever important. In Seattle, there are any 98 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 1: of those people. So you have city councils and local 99 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 1: governance in general just entirely of the left and far left. 100 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:46,120 Speaker 1: So Seattle has been passing these ordances and getting these 101 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 1: injunctions fast that take away the tools of Seattle police 102 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 1: to be able to use crowd controls. They've removed the 103 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:58,960 Speaker 1: ability to use tear gas, for example. Now they passed 104 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 1: an ordinance I believe yesterday that took away rubber bullets. 105 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 1: The politicians and the culture as well empowers the left 106 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 1: wing extremism because there's no counterpoise in the case of Seattle. 107 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 1: A lot of this goes all the way back to 108 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:18,240 Speaker 1: the IWW and the whole Wobbly movement, which I think 109 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 1: had a pretty big place in the port there before 110 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 1: World War One. There's always been a long tradition of 111 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:31,160 Speaker 1: some level of left wing thought in Seattle. Thanks for 112 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:34,680 Speaker 1: bringing up the IWW. The International Workers of the World, 113 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:42,000 Speaker 1: so that is a far left revolutionary Marxist anarchists workers union, 114 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:46,199 Speaker 1: and actually they play a pretty important role in that 115 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 1: many of their members and supporters are also either part 116 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:56,320 Speaker 1: of Antifa or allies of it. At any of these 117 00:08:56,400 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 1: riots in large demonstrations, you will frequently see IWW clothing 118 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 1: as well. If it's a protest, you may even see 119 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 1: them tabling. Now that you're up there in Seattle, what 120 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 1: are you seeing on the ground. As you know, different 121 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:34,240 Speaker 1: news sources are giving radically different versions of what's going on. 122 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 1: Just over a week ago, the Seattle Police abandoned the 123 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:44,440 Speaker 1: East precincts. It was actually shortly after the city Council 124 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:49,920 Speaker 1: have the emergency restraining order against them using tiogas, And 125 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:53,800 Speaker 1: for many days before the abandoning of the station, this 126 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:57,640 Speaker 1: area of Seattle called Capitol Hill, it's, I guess, the 127 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 1: far left area of the city. Riders have been trying 128 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 1: to riot outside of the police precinct and they have 129 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:09,800 Speaker 1: been pushed back and police use tear gas, and they 130 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:14,360 Speaker 1: were condemned by everybody on city council as well as 131 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:17,840 Speaker 1: the mayor. And once they were denied the ability to 132 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:21,600 Speaker 1: actually use crowd control, they really had no choice but 133 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:24,440 Speaker 1: to abandon the facility. They had no way to protect it. 134 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 1: Must sourcing tells me that there was a decision made 135 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:31,840 Speaker 1: from the Mayor's office for the SPD Seattle Police Department 136 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:37,360 Speaker 1: to vacate that area, and so after they left, all 137 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 1: the barricades that had been there that the city had 138 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:45,319 Speaker 1: had established was now reappropriated by these riders and protesters. 139 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:48,680 Speaker 1: They moved them all into the multi block area, into 140 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:54,719 Speaker 1: all the intersections on every street, creating this blockade that 141 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:58,480 Speaker 1: quickly grew into what they called the Capitol Hill Autonoma 142 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:03,320 Speaker 1: Zone or CHAZ. Some declared it a separate political emgacy 143 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:05,720 Speaker 1: from the United States. They put up signs like you 144 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:11,040 Speaker 1: are entering Chads, you are now leaving the United States. Yes, 145 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 1: there is very different narratives being put out depending on 146 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 1: the reporter and the media organization. And I wouldn't say 147 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:25,079 Speaker 1: that everybody is lying. People are presenting half truths. During 148 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:27,679 Speaker 1: the day when the media crews are there and when 149 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:32,080 Speaker 1: it's much safer, it is relatively peaceful, if you can 150 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:36,800 Speaker 1: ignore the boarded up buildings, the graffiti calling for police 151 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 1: to be killed everywhere, the extremist radical literature that's being 152 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:44,320 Speaker 1: passed out. If you know how that, yes, it's peaceful. 153 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:47,280 Speaker 1: And so the media crews that come in during the day, 154 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 1: we'll see if people dancing and having a barbecue, having 155 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:55,680 Speaker 1: a good time, And that's the story they're putting out. 156 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:58,319 Speaker 1: But I've been going there in the middle of the 157 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:01,719 Speaker 1: night when the sign goes down, media cups, they're not there. 158 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:04,640 Speaker 1: When they're not welcome. You see the criminal elements come 159 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:08,920 Speaker 1: out and just general anarchy. You have certain figures who 160 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:13,160 Speaker 1: are acting kind of like as a warlord. You have 161 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:18,440 Speaker 1: those who establishing sort of pseudo militias. The area is guarded. 162 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:21,320 Speaker 1: It's quite surreal, and that when you go past these 163 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:26,600 Speaker 1: order checkpoints to enter, there's no more function of government there. 164 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:31,120 Speaker 1: They have their own guards who have a pretty sophisticated 165 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 1: system of communication and organization. They have the team members 166 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:39,960 Speaker 1: who are as signed, who specific border checkpoints. They have 167 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:43,240 Speaker 1: their walkie talkies, they have their people who are armed 168 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:46,440 Speaker 1: those weapons. So you go there and you see people 169 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:51,439 Speaker 1: carrying rifles, handguns, and knives, batons, all these weapons, and 170 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:56,600 Speaker 1: they say that they're protecting themselves and defending their community. Naturally, 171 00:12:57,040 --> 00:12:59,080 Speaker 1: a lot of vagrants have come there. There's a lot 172 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:02,320 Speaker 1: of open drug use as well, so it's quite baffling 173 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:05,760 Speaker 1: to me that people bring their children there as if 174 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:09,439 Speaker 1: it was a block card here or something. In terms 175 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 1: of media and misinformation, media crews that are based in 176 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:17,679 Speaker 1: DC or New York that are writing about this, who 177 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:20,920 Speaker 1: are not actually on the ground at night are just 178 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:25,600 Speaker 1: depending on the press releases in the words from the 179 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:28,520 Speaker 1: mayor's office, And I think this whole event has been 180 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:32,120 Speaker 1: deeply embarrassing. From there, she's trying to downplay it, calling 181 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:36,679 Speaker 1: it a peaceful gathering, but it's a literal no go 182 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:40,560 Speaker 1: zone for police. The finds everywhere, no pigs allowed, no 183 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:45,640 Speaker 1: cults allowed. And actually it's police policy now unofficially that 184 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:49,080 Speaker 1: if there's a life safety issue a phone call made 185 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:52,600 Speaker 1: from inside that zone, police will not render aid inside. 186 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:56,080 Speaker 1: You actually have to be physically brought out beyond the 187 00:13:56,160 --> 00:14:02,280 Speaker 1: borders of it. So there's no ambulance service inside, not inside. 188 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:05,440 Speaker 1: I know that they drive up to the checkpoint. I 189 00:14:05,520 --> 00:14:09,520 Speaker 1: mentioned a moment ago that there's a lot of drug use, 190 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:13,600 Speaker 1: drug abuse, and over the weekend there were some people 191 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:18,920 Speaker 1: who were transported by ambulance to the hospital. I heard 192 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:23,520 Speaker 1: anecdotally that it was related to overdosing, but I can't 193 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 1: confirm that. The ambulance does not go in. They go 194 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:29,480 Speaker 1: up to the border and then the person who needs 195 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:32,240 Speaker 1: help is brought out. Police definitely do not go in. 196 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:35,680 Speaker 1: Fire trucks do not go in because fire trucks unfortunately 197 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:40,240 Speaker 1: have to operate under police protection. Now. Just two nights ago, 198 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:46,080 Speaker 1: there was a alleged awesomeness and thief who broke into 199 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 1: a nearby business in that area. Many of the mainstream 200 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:52,640 Speaker 1: media is not focusing on the impact on those who 201 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:55,479 Speaker 1: live and work there and not those who are occupied. 202 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 1: So there's a nearby auto shop. It's actually outside of 203 00:14:59,800 --> 00:15:03,960 Speaker 1: the boundaries of this so called zone, but it's close enough. 204 00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:08,840 Speaker 1: The owner there said that a looter tried to start 205 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:12,000 Speaker 1: a fire and they detain him. Somehow world made it 206 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:16,240 Speaker 1: immediately back to the camp. Somebody blasted out on the microphone. 207 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 1: I was actually there. That was around midnight, early Monday morning, 208 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:25,640 Speaker 1: and a mob of like a hundred people just sprinted 209 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:28,640 Speaker 1: their blocks to get to the zone, broke down the 210 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:31,840 Speaker 1: fence to get in to try to rescue their comrade. 211 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 1: The owner says they called more than a dozen times 212 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:39,960 Speaker 1: for police, but police and fire never came. So this 213 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:44,560 Speaker 1: is the type of lawlessness that not just people onside 214 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:49,000 Speaker 1: that people even just near it are having to live under. Unfortunately, 215 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 1: those in the local government are basically giving a green 216 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:57,480 Speaker 1: light to violent protesters because the police to show up 217 00:15:57,560 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 1: that will incite just just their mere presence, well people 218 00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:07,040 Speaker 1: will respond violently. I mean, they've been brainwash for years 219 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:10,240 Speaker 1: now with anti police suniment. But within the space it's 220 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 1: really intensive. People don't even seem to realize how extreme 221 00:16:15,520 --> 00:16:18,960 Speaker 1: some of these messages that are being written everywhere, what 222 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 1: they actually say, like, it really surprises me that it's 223 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 1: just become so normal for them. Has anybody been able 224 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:30,320 Speaker 1: to take pictures of the messages? Yes, I've been taking 225 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:35,000 Speaker 1: them discreetly and sending them out. They're calling for the 226 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 1: murder and killing of police. And something that I've been 227 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:43,960 Speaker 1: focusing on is paying attention to the extremeist literature that's 228 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:46,960 Speaker 1: been giving out several of the boots. Some of them 229 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:51,880 Speaker 1: describe how to commit criminal activity and how to get 230 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:54,480 Speaker 1: away with it, how to hide your identity, how to 231 00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:59,640 Speaker 1: encrypt your messaging, how to be secure in your communications 232 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:04,720 Speaker 1: with the comrades, how to create bombs from light bulbs. 233 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:08,040 Speaker 1: When I see these stories come out from Daily b 234 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:11,880 Speaker 1: So CNN where they focus on business owners who are 235 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:16,600 Speaker 1: supportive of what's happening, it's propaganda. At this point at night, 236 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:20,240 Speaker 1: when fights and stuff have broken out in between different 237 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:26,879 Speaker 1: factions of the occupiers, when they've been aggressive to outsiders 238 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:30,560 Speaker 1: and their people recording, they always say, put down the camera, 239 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:33,119 Speaker 1: put down the camera. Fox News is going to use 240 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:36,720 Speaker 1: this against us, So that whole space is propaganda. You're 241 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:42,719 Speaker 1: not allowed to openly document what is actually happening in reality. 242 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:46,640 Speaker 1: They so want to control their narrative. Yesterday my cover 243 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:50,440 Speaker 1: was blown. Could have been really bad. Unfortunately I got 244 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:54,200 Speaker 1: out unharmed. But some of the answers that people found 245 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:56,560 Speaker 1: out who I was, even though I was in collnito. 246 00:17:57,240 --> 00:18:00,080 Speaker 1: There are a lot of things that you can be 247 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 1: and here and read when you're up close, when they 248 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:06,719 Speaker 1: think you're one of them, is different than the story 249 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:11,000 Speaker 1: that they present to those who come in with security 250 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:14,880 Speaker 1: and a cameraman and a photographer. Didn't they have at 251 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:20,840 Speaker 1: least one city council member actively supporting them in setting 252 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:26,840 Speaker 1: this up. Well, yes, you're talking about the socialist identified 253 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:32,359 Speaker 1: city councilwoman. She's expressed moral support for the camp and 254 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:37,440 Speaker 1: she actually led a protest that went inside City Council 255 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:41,480 Speaker 1: that became a sort of mini occupation, but fortunately that 256 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:45,720 Speaker 1: cleared out. She's the most openly radical member of city Council. 257 00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:49,840 Speaker 1: She's an immigrant woman from India and have very extreme 258 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:54,920 Speaker 1: views on what she envisioned society to be, and so 259 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:58,159 Speaker 1: she's been pushing for the defunding of the out of 260 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:02,439 Speaker 1: police and unfortunately that's in the whole direction that the 261 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:20,919 Speaker 1: rest of the city council that's moved towards. How do 262 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:26,320 Speaker 1: you think Seattle unfolds now? The factless leadership there have 263 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:31,520 Speaker 1: allowed this situation to beast to a point of now, 264 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:34,720 Speaker 1: I don't know how there can be really a peaceful 265 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:41,639 Speaker 1: resolution without capitulation to the demands of the camp. And 266 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:44,600 Speaker 1: the people in the camp say that they're not leaving 267 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:47,720 Speaker 1: until their demands are made. Do you think they can 268 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:52,600 Speaker 1: find food will continue to sustain them. The thing is, 269 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:55,520 Speaker 1: I see a lot of people online saying things like, oh, 270 00:19:55,600 --> 00:20:00,919 Speaker 1: the city should just shut off water electricity. No, like 271 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:04,399 Speaker 1: that wouldn't do anything to stop them, because some of 272 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:10,240 Speaker 1: them already bringing in generators. They have significant support from 273 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 1: the wider populations. And this goes back to what I 274 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:16,880 Speaker 1: mentioned earlier about how the political monoculture is really important. 275 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:21,919 Speaker 1: They actually have an access of food and supplies. People 276 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:28,080 Speaker 1: are pouring in these donations, like there's so much food 277 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:32,640 Speaker 1: there and if all coming in through outside aige essentially 278 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:35,119 Speaker 1: if you want to call it that, And so that's 279 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:38,520 Speaker 1: going to continue. They're trying to build these fonds. You 280 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:42,480 Speaker 1: see them digging ditches and trying to build some infrastructure. 281 00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:45,760 Speaker 1: It's basically a joke. All their food is being delivered 282 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:50,360 Speaker 1: in people, their comrades supporters are just driving up right 283 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:55,800 Speaker 1: up to the border checkpoint and unloading chuckloads of non 284 00:20:55,800 --> 00:21:00,560 Speaker 1: parish for foods. They have posted the address where people 285 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 1: can order pizza and get that delivered for people all 286 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:07,920 Speaker 1: around the country are also donating pizza, So this can 287 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:11,439 Speaker 1: go on, I think indefinitely. You have some businesses in 288 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:16,920 Speaker 1: there who either autter, cowardice, or fear because they want 289 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:21,760 Speaker 1: to not see their business destroyed. Also providing support for 290 00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:25,439 Speaker 1: these people. I don't know how there can be a 291 00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:30,160 Speaker 1: peaceful resolution to this without giving into their demands. Because 292 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:34,520 Speaker 1: the police now they don't have the tools to be 293 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:38,440 Speaker 1: able to disperse a crowd of thousands, I don't know 294 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:42,040 Speaker 1: how else they're going to get everybody else there without 295 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:45,800 Speaker 1: moving in such large numbers of police and physically arresting. 296 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:49,120 Speaker 1: But there's so many of them. It's not that big 297 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:54,440 Speaker 1: an area. Are there literally several thousand people? Yes, wow, 298 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:59,160 Speaker 1: that's a lot of people for are not very big area. Well, 299 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:02,760 Speaker 1: if you count all the blocks that maybe up to 300 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:06,960 Speaker 1: six blocks long, it's a very large occupation. What do 301 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:10,280 Speaker 1: you think of the odds that they will try to expand. Well, 302 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 1: that's their next goal. The border, even though it's defined 303 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:19,600 Speaker 1: by these barricades, it actually extends a lot further than that. 304 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:25,840 Speaker 1: So police are avoiding the entire area of Capitol Hill, 305 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:30,040 Speaker 1: which is pretty large. And so you see actually them, 306 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:33,200 Speaker 1: some of the people who are signed to doing security, 307 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:37,600 Speaker 1: some of the organizers, volunteers, They go way out of 308 00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:41,800 Speaker 1: the border checkpoints to direct and stop traffic. They were 309 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:45,280 Speaker 1: doing that over the weekend. I witness they have high 310 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:48,560 Speaker 1: moral right now. The city council has given them everything 311 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:53,399 Speaker 1: they want. What are the most extreme of their demands? 312 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:55,560 Speaker 1: I know they had a list of thirty demands. Where 313 00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:59,520 Speaker 1: there's some that struck you as particularly implausible, I would 314 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:02,920 Speaker 1: say most survate is implausible. There are different factions within 315 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:06,080 Speaker 1: the account. There are those who are I guess you 316 00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:09,720 Speaker 1: could call them the exchange social justice warriors who want 317 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:14,200 Speaker 1: to overtake the current institutions and put themselves in power, 318 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:16,800 Speaker 1: and I think those are the people behind someone that 319 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:21,480 Speaker 1: is alone. Then you have the antifi anarchist communists who 320 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:24,200 Speaker 1: refuse to work in the system and want more so 321 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:29,080 Speaker 1: to use the space as sort of a zone where 322 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:32,159 Speaker 1: they can carry out their criminal activities than making it 323 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:34,840 Speaker 1: very clear that they want to burn down the East precincts. 324 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:37,400 Speaker 1: But in terms of the demand CUP then put out. 325 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:42,960 Speaker 1: They want the Seattle Police Department to be defunded by 326 00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:47,160 Speaker 1: minimum of fifty percent, if not more. They want the 327 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:50,760 Speaker 1: budget that is tend the millions of dollars that's supposed 328 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:55,240 Speaker 1: to go towards the SPD to then be used for 329 00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:58,480 Speaker 1: whatever they want as a form of they call it reparations. 330 00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:05,679 Speaker 1: They want to stablished separate race based institutions that prioritize blackness. 331 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:10,159 Speaker 1: It's complete turning upside down what American society is, not 332 00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:14,040 Speaker 1: just on principle, but actually in practice, it's doing away 333 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:16,000 Speaker 1: with the rule of law. They don't want the rule 334 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:22,680 Speaker 1: of They are wanting to abolish the American criminal justice system. 335 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:27,080 Speaker 1: These other demands I have. Obviously some of them it's 336 00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:31,399 Speaker 1: impossible to meet. But that doesn't mean the Stafty Council 337 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:34,080 Speaker 1: I won't try to capitulate as much as they can. 338 00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:39,520 Speaker 1: They must be attracting recruits from all over the place. Yes, actually, 339 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:42,640 Speaker 1: through my time there, there are definitely people inside there 340 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:45,560 Speaker 1: who am not from Seattle, and there are many people 341 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:49,960 Speaker 1: who are watching from far away, the video and propaganda 342 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:52,639 Speaker 1: that's coming out from there and taking inspiration from it. 343 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:57,640 Speaker 1: And actually there were several attempts in the past week 344 00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:01,680 Speaker 1: to establish the so called autonomous zones in different cities. 345 00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 1: They didn't have success. Fortunately, they tried that in some 346 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:11,480 Speaker 1: southern cities. They tried it in Portland. I think fortunately 347 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:15,720 Speaker 1: even liberal may as recognized. But if they allow something 348 00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:19,800 Speaker 1: like that to take route, it's going to be held 349 00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:24,320 Speaker 1: for them later. Do you expect Portland to be tougher 350 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:30,160 Speaker 1: on antifas in Seattle is in this particular instance, Yes, 351 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:36,560 Speaker 1: Portland is responding more strongly in not letting militant ANTIFA 352 00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:39,680 Speaker 1: established and auton in the zone in downtown as they've 353 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:42,000 Speaker 1: been trying to do. And I think the fires they 354 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:45,600 Speaker 1: started in the last night was retaliation for the police 355 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:49,680 Speaker 1: clearing them out the past few days. I do want 356 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:51,480 Speaker 1: to point out that year book, which will come out 357 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:55,680 Speaker 1: of February, is already listed on Amazon. I really wish 358 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:59,520 Speaker 1: you well. I think what you're doing remarkably important. Well, 359 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:01,480 Speaker 1: thank you so much. I'm really on it to he 360 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:06,920 Speaker 1: about the years cooking Rich. Thank you to my guest 361 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:10,160 Speaker 1: Andy know you can read more about Seattle's Capitol Hill 362 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:14,760 Speaker 1: Autonomous Zone on our show page at newtworld dot com. 363 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:19,400 Speaker 1: Newtsworld is produced by Universe three sixty and iHeartMedia. 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