WEBVTT - Breaking Down Massive Marlins.TV Changes for 2027 0:00:00.280 --> 0:00:02.520 Hey, this is Kyle Stowers, and you're listening to Fish 0:00:02.630 --> 0:00:18.500 On First. Fish Unfiltered, episode 130, diving into the Marlins.tv storyline. 0:00:29.190 --> 0:00:33.839 Broadcast changes here with Isaac Zoot, Eli Sussman. Isaac, a 0:00:33.960 --> 0:00:37.360 lot of movement in the Marlins.tv world and even in 0:00:37.400 --> 0:00:42.380 Marlins radio. Kyle Selop, Craig Minervini, Rod Allen, Jeff Nelson 0:00:43.100 --> 0:00:47.890 all will not return to the Marlins broadcast in 2027. 0:00:47.890 --> 0:00:51.449 Jack McMullen is now the leading candidate to move into 0:00:51.490 --> 0:00:54.930 the TV role and there's now a vacant spot in 0:00:55.030 --> 0:00:57.990 the radio side and as well as the analyst side 0:00:58.030 --> 0:01:02.430 because Gabby Sanchez will become the main analyst alongside Jack 0:01:03.050 --> 0:01:08.160 once all of that is finalized. And Craig Misch, AJ Ramos, 0:01:08.200 --> 0:01:11.840 Kelly Sacco, Jeremy Tasche, among those as well, staying. How 0:01:11.860 --> 0:01:13.760 we're doing? Obviously a lot of changes, a lot of 0:01:13.800 --> 0:01:17.240 people that we had known for a long time, a 0:01:17.280 --> 0:01:19.479 couple of years. So definitely tough to see them go, 0:01:19.540 --> 0:01:21.600 but excited for someone like Jack to step into this 0:01:21.640 --> 0:01:22.030 new role. 0:01:22.970 --> 0:01:26.910 Yeah, it's never fun to discuss 10 years coming to 0:01:26.950 --> 0:01:30.440 an end. Kyle had been a Marlin for a very 0:01:30.480 --> 0:01:34.229 long time, for I think close to a couple decades, 0:01:34.270 --> 0:01:37.250 a decade and a half, I want to say. Spending 0:01:37.270 --> 0:01:40.670 the last two years, 22 and 23, I'm sorry, 23 0:01:40.670 --> 0:01:44.420 and 24 on the radio play-by-play, replacing Dave and Glenn 0:01:44.450 --> 0:01:47.940 over there, and then him getting the promotion to TV. 0:01:48.620 --> 0:01:52.880 And it was good, man. It was unfortunate because this 0:01:53.700 --> 0:01:55.780 is an industry, this is a role that you'd like 0:01:55.800 --> 0:01:58.020 to have some sort of continuity for a long time. 0:01:58.120 --> 0:02:00.280 And I guess Jack McMullin, if he is the next 0:02:00.340 --> 0:02:03.920 TV guy, he'd be the eighth TV play-by-play announcer in 0:02:03.960 --> 0:02:09.460 Marlins history. And just for some reason, the Marlins believed 0:02:09.500 --> 0:02:12.320 that the transition from radio to TV for Kyle didn't 0:02:12.340 --> 0:02:16.079 go as smoothly as they would have liked. And I 0:02:16.160 --> 0:02:19.060 thought he had earned at least another year or two. 0:02:19.139 --> 0:02:20.960 I thought this was a pretty quick hook, but the 0:02:21.000 --> 0:02:23.650 Marlins have hired a new director of broadcasting. And I 0:02:23.669 --> 0:02:25.410 guess they did want to shake things up a little bit. 0:02:26.090 --> 0:02:27.930 But it's never good to see someone as nice and 0:02:27.970 --> 0:02:30.530 as kind and as professional as Kyle Goh. Because there 0:02:30.550 --> 0:02:33.780 are very few people in the world who love the 0:02:33.840 --> 0:02:35.580 Marlins and love the game of baseball as much as 0:02:35.620 --> 0:02:39.560 he did. So never great to see someone's time come 0:02:39.600 --> 0:02:41.720 to an end. I will touch on the other guys 0:02:41.760 --> 0:02:44.530 as well. But for Kyle, you know, he had a 0:02:44.560 --> 0:02:47.610 lot of popular calls. He took Homer to a whole 0:02:47.669 --> 0:02:49.570 new level. And sometimes you want that, especially as a 0:02:49.590 --> 0:02:52.669 Marlins fan. we watch pretty much 162 games a year, 0:02:52.690 --> 0:02:54.670 the three of us. And, you know, you form a 0:02:54.830 --> 0:02:57.710 relationship with the guy announcing the game and in the 0:02:57.730 --> 0:03:01.060 clubhouse and in the dugout. And he was always very kind. 0:03:01.180 --> 0:03:03.540 And it's, it's always tough to do these episodes. 0:03:04.700 --> 0:03:06.280 He was always a fan of fish on first. We 0:03:06.320 --> 0:03:08.040 had him on the podcast. I want to say at 0:03:08.060 --> 0:03:13.040 least once a year to a certain, certain capacities, but yeah, 0:03:13.440 --> 0:03:16.769 unfortunately for, for, for Kyle, he will probably find a 0:03:16.790 --> 0:03:19.900 new job really quickly. I'm sure he's, Still young, only 36. 0:03:19.900 --> 0:03:22.239 I believe he was the youngest, if not one of 0:03:22.280 --> 0:03:25.840 the youngest, play-by-play guys in baseball. And he had a 0:03:25.860 --> 0:03:28.750 lot of aspirations to call nationally televised games, be a 0:03:28.770 --> 0:03:30.649 part of those type of broadcasts. It's something he told 0:03:30.730 --> 0:03:32.710 us when he first got the job. But on the 0:03:32.750 --> 0:03:35.230 flip side, it's Jack McMullen, who is even younger. I 0:03:35.250 --> 0:03:38.630 want to say your age, Isaac, 27. So he's going 0:03:38.670 --> 0:03:41.790 into his first year doing TV, play-by-play for the Marlins. 0:03:41.830 --> 0:03:44.560 Did a series, which I believe was against the Pirates 0:03:44.640 --> 0:03:48.010 last year. So they swapped Jack and Kyle. putting Kyle 0:03:48.030 --> 0:03:50.610 and Radio Jack on the TV, and he was great. 0:03:51.430 --> 0:03:53.870 Marlins loved it, and they think this is a guy 0:03:53.910 --> 0:03:55.610 who is a rising star. I think we can all 0:03:55.630 --> 0:03:58.710 agree with that. He's also doing college football in the CW, 0:03:58.750 --> 0:04:02.000 so he's calling some more nationally televised games as well. 0:04:03.300 --> 0:04:05.340 And he, before that, did a lot of stuff for 0:04:05.360 --> 0:04:08.700 the AAA affiliate of the Pirates. He's just completed his 0:04:08.900 --> 0:04:13.200 second season on the call with Marlins Radio, so making 0:04:13.240 --> 0:04:16.440 that transition there. Eli, your thoughts on Jack and him 0:04:16.460 --> 0:04:18.820 getting this promotion? I would call it a promotion into 0:04:18.839 --> 0:04:21.400 the TV side of things where they already tried this 0:04:21.560 --> 0:04:24.440 out beforehand, something they didn't do with Kyle, I believe, 0:04:24.839 --> 0:04:27.720 and it certainly got a lot of good reviews, and 0:04:28.180 --> 0:04:29.700 now obviously he's stepping into this role. 0:04:30.760 --> 0:04:34.950 Yeah, you kind of touched on it that he's going 0:04:34.970 --> 0:04:38.610 to be, it's unusual for somebody with his relative lack 0:04:38.650 --> 0:04:41.370 of experience, or relative lack of age, I should say, 0:04:41.490 --> 0:04:43.920 to be in this position, but he has had about 0:04:43.960 --> 0:04:45.660 as much experience as you can for somebody that is 0:04:45.680 --> 0:04:47.580 still in his 20s in terms of what he did 0:04:48.200 --> 0:04:52.000 throughout college and then immediately out of college calling primarily baseball, 0:04:52.020 --> 0:04:54.860 but even some other sports in addition to that. So 0:04:54.880 --> 0:04:58.659 he's gotten a lot of reps, and the talents with 0:04:58.700 --> 0:05:01.540 him is so evident in terms of just checking all 0:05:01.560 --> 0:05:05.280 the boxes you want from a broadcasting experience, from being 0:05:05.320 --> 0:05:09.360 gifted with the quality of vocal quality that helps a lot, 0:05:09.420 --> 0:05:13.230 but certainly the vocabulary, the timing, the chemistry with a 0:05:13.290 --> 0:05:16.270 lot of different partners. Um, so that is one, I 0:05:16.310 --> 0:05:18.570 don't know exactly how that factored into this equation, but 0:05:18.620 --> 0:05:21.039 they really put them in a interesting spot in the 0:05:21.080 --> 0:05:23.020 radio the past couple of years in terms of constantly 0:05:23.060 --> 0:05:26.680 working with different partners, almost every single, you know, every 0:05:26.779 --> 0:05:30.240 road trip in homestand alternating between many of the same 0:05:30.600 --> 0:05:32.820 guys that we're calling on TV as well. Um, so 0:05:32.860 --> 0:05:34.880 that was a pretty big test in terms of his versatility, 0:05:34.980 --> 0:05:39.150 able to handle different situations. And, um, it's, he's a 0:05:39.170 --> 0:05:43.830 guy that was very deserving of, uh, some sort of promotion. 0:05:43.890 --> 0:05:46.230 The thing is, yeah, even though despite his relative lack 0:05:46.250 --> 0:05:49.450 of experience, I imagine that the Marlins sense that if 0:05:50.060 --> 0:05:53.660 they kept him in his current role, that he may 0:05:53.680 --> 0:05:57.720 have been poached by another bigger employer, whether it's in 0:05:57.760 --> 0:06:00.880 baseball or otherwise, that he's somebody who would have had 0:06:00.960 --> 0:06:04.140 other opportunities out there. And I think that, I think 0:06:04.240 --> 0:06:07.300 this change more reflects their desire to keep him for 0:06:07.460 --> 0:06:08.880 what they hope is a long time, rather than anything 0:06:08.920 --> 0:06:11.180 that Kyle did that. I know you guys touched on Kyle, 0:06:11.200 --> 0:06:14.260 but I can't resist diving in a bit more about 0:06:14.540 --> 0:06:18.700 his very unique and notable tenure with the organization. The 0:06:18.740 --> 0:06:23.560 fact that he was essentially a homegrown Marlins talent in 0:06:23.860 --> 0:06:27.430 various ways. A guy that started with the team at 0:06:27.500 --> 0:06:30.770 the very lowest levels. And this was essentially his entire 0:06:30.830 --> 0:06:33.810 professional career was with the Marlins. Although he has had 0:06:33.890 --> 0:06:37.330 other opportunities in broadcasting outside of that during in between 0:06:37.570 --> 0:06:39.589 now and then. the fact that he was with the 0:06:39.610 --> 0:06:42.750 Marlins from the very beginning so consistently, did so many 0:06:42.770 --> 0:06:47.600 different things for them, and it was a really refreshing 0:06:47.660 --> 0:06:50.540 moment when he got the job two years ago replacing 0:06:50.560 --> 0:06:53.380 Paul Severino. I don't think we should, it was so recent, 0:06:53.760 --> 0:06:57.040 but I think that felt like a clear celebration, a 0:06:57.100 --> 0:06:59.779 reward for a guy that had been grinding on the 0:06:59.820 --> 0:07:03.900 radio side until getting that opportunity. So I just want 0:07:03.920 --> 0:07:06.820 to co-sign, sending him well wishes as somebody that was 0:07:06.839 --> 0:07:11.830 so all in on this organization as well. So it's, 0:07:12.210 --> 0:07:15.210 I think this is more about the Marlins being so 0:07:15.550 --> 0:07:17.470 blown away by how good Jack has been on the 0:07:17.510 --> 0:07:19.290 radio side the past couple of years, wanting to do 0:07:19.350 --> 0:07:22.230 everything possible to hold onto him and figure out the 0:07:22.290 --> 0:07:25.790 rest around him. So I think that kind of, we should, 0:07:25.830 --> 0:07:27.930 we should at least acknowledge that this has been somewhat 0:07:27.950 --> 0:07:30.750 of a polarizing move on when it comes to what 0:07:30.770 --> 0:07:33.050 we've seen in the reaction from our own audience at FOF, 0:07:33.070 --> 0:07:37.350 but also the larger audience of all South Florida fans. Um, so, 0:07:37.380 --> 0:07:39.630 and I think it's been polarizing for, uh, yeah, for 0:07:39.650 --> 0:07:44.970 understandable reasons. So it's, um, with that being said, I'm very, 0:07:45.010 --> 0:07:47.590 I'm stoked to see more of Jack. I heard a 0:07:47.630 --> 0:07:49.030 lot of him already the past couple of years, but 0:07:49.050 --> 0:07:52.250 to actually see him on TV and understanding realistically that 0:07:52.270 --> 0:07:53.730 he's going to have a bigger audience than he's ever 0:07:53.770 --> 0:07:57.650 had before because of this opportunity. Um, I can't help 0:07:57.670 --> 0:08:00.890 but be over the moon, you know, excited for him 0:08:00.930 --> 0:08:03.290 getting rewarded like that. Yeah. 0:08:03.330 --> 0:08:04.770 And that's kind of the reason we're doing this, right? 0:08:05.130 --> 0:08:07.790 to explain to people why the Marlins are making these moves. And, 0:08:08.070 --> 0:08:09.950 and one thing to note too, is that, and once 0:08:10.070 --> 0:08:12.190 this is kind of where we'll, I know I'll let 0:08:12.230 --> 0:08:14.350 Isaac make his last point on Jack, but this is 0:08:14.370 --> 0:08:15.810 where we kind of transition a little bit into why 0:08:15.850 --> 0:08:18.340 the others were let go because of how big this 0:08:18.380 --> 0:08:20.940 Marlins broadcast team was to begin with. It was, it 0:08:20.980 --> 0:08:23.740 was the biggest in baseball and it wasn't very close 0:08:23.840 --> 0:08:26.420 and it's tough to manage all those people and to 0:08:26.480 --> 0:08:28.380 make sure that all of them get a high amount 0:08:28.400 --> 0:08:30.930 of games. And we'll get into the, into the other 0:08:30.960 --> 0:08:32.230 guys in a bit, but Isaac, I'll let you make 0:08:32.270 --> 0:08:34.309 a last point there on, on Jack and slash Kyle. 0:08:35.040 --> 0:08:36.859 I was just going to say, sort of touching on 0:08:36.880 --> 0:08:39.400 the continuity aspect of it, because, you know, Paul obviously 0:08:39.440 --> 0:08:42.400 replaced the longtime tenured Rich Waltz, who had been there 0:08:42.460 --> 0:08:44.900 from 2005 all the way through 2017, and Jeter made 0:08:44.950 --> 0:08:47.190 that very unpopular decision to just have his own guy. 0:08:47.690 --> 0:08:50.810 He tagged Paul Severino, and like Eli said, when Kyle 0:08:50.850 --> 0:08:54.329 was hired, it was a huge celebration for everybody. You know, 0:08:54.370 --> 0:08:57.030 no disrespect to Paul, but, you know, Kyle, who was 0:08:57.120 --> 0:09:00.559 so popular on the radio, and we were just beyond 0:09:00.580 --> 0:09:04.150 the moon when he was promoted to TV. And then 0:09:04.190 --> 0:09:06.900 that eventually what brought us to Jack McMullen. And so 0:09:07.100 --> 0:09:10.220 in that case, it's really worked out very nicely. And 0:09:10.600 --> 0:09:13.040 the one thing that I take some is with a 0:09:13.120 --> 0:09:16.660 larger media, the national South Florida media, just sort of 0:09:16.700 --> 0:09:19.830 making this about money, making this make sort of taking 0:09:19.870 --> 0:09:22.050 any opportunity they can't to bash the Marlins when they're 0:09:22.090 --> 0:09:24.170 just doing what they think is right. This is not 0:09:24.230 --> 0:09:26.330 a money saving move. And the people that are saying 0:09:26.370 --> 0:09:29.330 these things have maybe watched over one and a half 0:09:29.410 --> 0:09:32.510 games all year long. And it's just that always infuriates 0:09:32.580 --> 0:09:36.730 me because, They just take any opportunity to bash the 0:09:36.770 --> 0:09:38.900 ownership group when this is not even his call either. 0:09:39.500 --> 0:09:41.780 He trusts people below him to make these decisions. And 0:09:42.400 --> 0:09:45.380 for anyone that's saying that Jack is not, I'm not 0:09:45.400 --> 0:09:47.260 going to say he's an upgrade, but Jack is more 0:09:47.280 --> 0:09:49.140 than qualified to do this job because he's incredible and 0:09:49.179 --> 0:09:51.490 one of the most talented voices I've ever heard. And 0:09:51.500 --> 0:09:53.429 I've watched a lot of sports in my life. I 0:09:53.450 --> 0:09:55.609 was actually watching him do college football the other day. 0:09:55.870 --> 0:09:58.350 And football is not an easy sport to call, play 0:09:58.370 --> 0:10:00.819 by play. And he was making it. look as easy 0:10:00.860 --> 0:10:04.040 as he does baseball so it's incredible and it's just 0:10:04.080 --> 0:10:06.680 unfortunate that no matter what even when fans were complaining 0:10:07.140 --> 0:10:09.370 about the broadcast all year long now they sort of 0:10:09.470 --> 0:10:11.150 changed their tune a little bit so i like to 0:10:11.170 --> 0:10:12.890 see some consistency going forward there. 0:10:14.070 --> 0:10:15.850 Yeah 100 and that's the big thing too i mean 0:10:15.870 --> 0:10:18.140 a lot of people trying to say this was a 0:10:18.200 --> 0:10:20.020 money saving thing. Kind of like what you said, it's 0:10:20.860 --> 0:10:23.420 quite literally, it's not, I promise you it is not. 0:10:23.900 --> 0:10:25.850 And I'll tell you this, I don't know what Jack 0:10:25.910 --> 0:10:27.990 is making, but he's probably gonna be making more. So 0:10:28.010 --> 0:10:30.630 the morals are going to be adding to his payroll 0:10:30.710 --> 0:10:32.250 or to whatever he's making, or they're going to be 0:10:32.270 --> 0:10:34.630 adding to that payroll on that side of things. And, 0:10:34.770 --> 0:10:38.700 and yeah, I mean, saying that bad organizations do bad things. I, 0:10:38.840 --> 0:10:41.880 I would just, that's a load of bullshit in my opinion. Um, 0:10:42.550 --> 0:10:43.110 I don't need to. 0:10:43.070 --> 0:10:46.360 Hear Will Mansour and the Levertard show staff talk about 0:10:46.500 --> 0:10:48.960 Marlins broadcast when they literally make it clear on their 0:10:49.000 --> 0:10:51.900 shows that they don't watch the games anyway. So, you know, 0:10:52.440 --> 0:10:53.339 stay in your lane, man. 0:10:53.440 --> 0:10:55.620 Well, yeah, just to get more specific, the things that 0:10:55.640 --> 0:10:57.370 make me chuckle the most are the people saying this 0:10:57.429 --> 0:10:59.850 is a Bruce Sherman issue. Bruce, it's time to sell 0:10:59.910 --> 0:11:02.810 the team for making decisions like this. And the crazier 0:11:02.870 --> 0:11:04.350 ones are the ones that say this is a Peter 0:11:04.390 --> 0:11:07.030 Bendix thing. Like I saw replies like, did Bendix pay 0:11:07.050 --> 0:11:10.230 you to send out this tweet? And just one thing 0:11:10.250 --> 0:11:12.830 to acknowledge with Kyle, one thing very distinct about him, 0:11:12.850 --> 0:11:16.610 especially this past year, is that he was so consistently 0:11:17.190 --> 0:11:22.530 pro Marlins at every opportunity. Like if anybody was touting 0:11:23.570 --> 0:11:26.130 the virtues of this organization and the bright future they had, 0:11:26.150 --> 0:11:28.670 like Kyle was so consistent about that. There's nobody within 0:11:28.740 --> 0:11:31.140 baseball operations that would have wanted to see a change 0:11:31.480 --> 0:11:34.260 from that standpoint. And baseball operations had no involvement whatsoever. 0:11:34.740 --> 0:11:38.260 in that the Marlins have a new director of broadcasting, 0:11:38.400 --> 0:11:41.660 which explains why they've made a significant change. A fresh 0:11:41.700 --> 0:11:44.540 set of eyes going into this. That was one that 0:11:44.780 --> 0:11:47.490 made the call, not just on Kyle itself, but on 0:11:47.750 --> 0:11:50.809 the analysts as well, that are, that were not renewed 0:11:50.850 --> 0:11:53.250 if we want to use particular language here. So I 0:11:53.270 --> 0:11:55.349 think the reason why you see substantial changes across the 0:11:55.390 --> 0:11:59.160 board and for them trying to streamline operations, give a small, 0:11:59.240 --> 0:12:01.620 a larger number of games to a smaller number of 0:12:01.720 --> 0:12:04.040 voices that they want to be featured is is just 0:12:04.080 --> 0:12:08.390 because this is under new management from a broadcasting standpoint. 0:12:08.429 --> 0:12:12.270 But this is something that is the bigger decision makers 0:12:12.309 --> 0:12:15.050 in the organization that usually handle the baseball operations stuff. 0:12:15.330 --> 0:12:17.429 They stayed in their lane on this. This was not 0:12:17.510 --> 0:12:22.239 them kind of overreaching. And you can't blame everything on 0:12:22.300 --> 0:12:24.680 them as people so conveniently want to do. 0:12:25.720 --> 0:12:28.540 And I've said this before, but less is more when 0:12:28.559 --> 0:12:31.100 it comes to analysts, right? You had Rich and Tommy, 0:12:31.600 --> 0:12:34.390 long time you had Dave Van Horn and Glenn Geffner. Two, 0:12:34.890 --> 0:12:37.430 you don't want to have so many different rotating color 0:12:37.470 --> 0:12:40.410 analysts because it's difficult to build a camaraderie between the 0:12:40.429 --> 0:12:43.030 play-by-play man and that color analyst. And that's the reason 0:12:43.070 --> 0:12:45.720 why Rich and Tommy are very few duos in the 0:12:45.750 --> 0:12:48.700 whole game of baseball that had a better relationship than 0:12:48.740 --> 0:12:51.400 those two. And same with Dave and Glenn. And so 0:12:51.580 --> 0:12:53.900 I do think it's unfortunate to see someone like Craig 0:12:53.920 --> 0:12:57.600 Minervini go. He had been there as long as Kevin's 0:12:57.620 --> 0:13:00.860 been alive. No, longer since Kevin's been alive. Almost my 0:13:00.980 --> 0:13:04.660 full lifetime as well. Minervini's been there and I understand 0:13:04.679 --> 0:13:08.290 the move you know but I would have liked them 0:13:08.309 --> 0:13:09.890 to you know Tommy retiring I would have liked them 0:13:09.910 --> 0:13:12.610 to keep someone from the old days right someone that 0:13:12.790 --> 0:13:16.730 older fans can resonate with a little bit but again 0:13:17.210 --> 0:13:21.550 you have younger talent available like Kelly and Jeremy and 0:13:21.600 --> 0:13:23.520 they do a great job as well so you can't 0:13:23.620 --> 0:13:25.260 and Craig Mish as well so you can't really blame 0:13:25.280 --> 0:13:28.040 them but it's always tough to see guys that you 0:13:28.059 --> 0:13:29.680 know as a kid growing up you're watching and they 0:13:29.720 --> 0:13:31.360 were a staple in the Marlins for a long time 0:13:31.400 --> 0:13:32.100 and no longer. 0:13:31.880 --> 0:13:34.740 There anymore Jet Ski Rentals of South Florida. 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Again, that's 305-990-2192 or online at sfjetskyrentals.com. 0:14:22.920 --> 0:14:27.160 The other names that were not renewed were Jeff Nelson, 0:14:27.340 --> 0:14:30.360 who did a majority of the games i want to 0:14:30.500 --> 0:14:32.940 say 95 of the games 90 of the games rod 0:14:33.000 --> 0:14:34.720 allen who did the pre and post game show as 0:14:34.760 --> 0:14:38.500 well as radio and then um who else there was 0:14:38.580 --> 0:14:41.260 one more um oh craig minervini who is who just 0:14:41.280 --> 0:14:45.710 completed his 25th season with the organization um obviously i 0:14:46.390 --> 0:14:48.730 think each one has their reasons i think a lot 0:14:48.750 --> 0:14:51.090 of people may remember but rod allen and craig minervini 0:14:51.110 --> 0:14:54.650 both had their roles reduced from 25 to 26 neither 0:14:54.690 --> 0:14:57.770 of them were on the rate of rod didn't do 0:14:57.830 --> 0:15:02.290 any tv uh actual analyst work while craig minervini didn't 0:15:02.330 --> 0:15:05.470 do any radio um and both of them were more 0:15:05.510 --> 0:15:07.670 limited to the pre and post game show craig did 0:15:07.690 --> 0:15:10.790 a little bit of sideline he i think called most 0:15:10.840 --> 0:15:12.770 of the games during the 12 game losing streak as 0:15:12.790 --> 0:15:14.030 much as i hate to say it was during that 0:15:14.080 --> 0:15:17.880 time but i do remember that um the minervini curse 0:15:18.860 --> 0:15:23.310 yeah the minervini curse yeah exactly but Isaac, you know, 0:15:23.350 --> 0:15:25.390 Rod was a huge fan of Fish on First, always 0:15:25.570 --> 0:15:28.880 was a great guy to talk to, was around a lot, 0:15:29.300 --> 0:15:32.360 regardless of, you know, the reduced role, still took the 0:15:32.380 --> 0:15:35.260 job and did it to the best of his ability. 0:15:35.300 --> 0:15:37.380 And Craig Minervini was always around as well. I mean, 0:15:37.460 --> 0:15:40.610 around a lot. And, you know, when I saw his 0:15:40.710 --> 0:15:43.790 reel of his memories with the team and thinking the Marlins, 0:15:43.870 --> 0:15:46.109 it was, you go all the way back to the 0:15:46.110 --> 0:15:48.530 2003 World Series, I believe, and he was there. So, 0:15:49.120 --> 0:15:51.040 This is a guy who it sucks to always see 0:15:51.080 --> 0:15:54.700 guys leave and not have their contracts renewed. But, you know, 0:15:54.740 --> 0:15:57.140 those are two guys that definitely stood out in terms 0:15:57.180 --> 0:15:58.780 of a little bit of the writing was on the 0:15:58.820 --> 0:16:02.360 wall just because of the reduced roles. And just because, again, 0:16:02.440 --> 0:16:04.500 I mean, the Marlins had a huge TV broadcast and 0:16:04.520 --> 0:16:07.570 needed to limit the amount of people that there's most 0:16:07.610 --> 0:16:10.630 of the times it's two analysts and a pre and 0:16:10.690 --> 0:16:13.109 post and a sideline. And that's kind of what the 0:16:13.130 --> 0:16:15.110 Marlins are trying to do and trying to just get 0:16:15.150 --> 0:16:18.350 back on the level that, you know, that these other 0:16:18.370 --> 0:16:20.890 teams are on. And unfortunately, Rod and Craig and Jeff 0:16:20.970 --> 0:16:24.670 are unfortunately part of the cuts that they're making to 0:16:24.700 --> 0:16:25.260 get to that point. 0:16:25.980 --> 0:16:29.400 I remember this is a year after they made another 0:16:29.480 --> 0:16:32.780 stubborn decision in losing Jessica Blaylock. And I thought she 0:16:32.820 --> 0:16:36.320 was incredible as well. So from what I understand in 0:16:36.340 --> 0:16:38.660 terms of Rod and Jeff Nelson, who I thought Nelly 0:16:38.700 --> 0:16:41.200 was fantastic. I thought he was arguably their best color 0:16:41.220 --> 0:16:44.600 guy that they had. But I guess they sort of 0:16:44.620 --> 0:16:48.560 want a younger player voice there sort of seeing what 0:16:48.620 --> 0:16:50.820 they're seeing in analytics and he i guess he wasn't 0:16:50.840 --> 0:16:53.700 just as analytically driven as someone that they'd like to 0:16:53.760 --> 0:16:56.760 have there in that position some disagreements but disagreements are 0:16:56.800 --> 0:17:00.380 healthy like our chat likes to say and um we'll 0:17:00.440 --> 0:17:02.600 have to see who they replace them with like i'm 0:17:02.680 --> 0:17:05.020 more so speaking about rod and and craig if anyone 0:17:05.800 --> 0:17:07.260 and so i'm very intrigued to see who goes on 0:17:07.300 --> 0:17:09.060 radio i thought that could have been i don't know 0:17:09.080 --> 0:17:10.840 they would have wanted to demote kyle and put him 0:17:10.880 --> 0:17:13.590 back on radio quote unquote for the demotion part but 0:17:15.150 --> 0:17:16.270 I would have liked to see him stay in the 0:17:16.290 --> 0:17:20.060 organization somehow, but yeah, Rod was a great guy. Always, 0:17:20.230 --> 0:17:21.950 always clamber to be on our show. 0:17:22.020 --> 0:17:22.170 Shit. 0:17:22.190 --> 0:17:25.899 We never were able to do that, unfortunately, but awesome guy. 0:17:26.340 --> 0:17:29.040 Always what we would talk managerial decision. We talked baseball 0:17:29.060 --> 0:17:30.760 for a while in the elevators and it was a 0:17:30.780 --> 0:17:32.180 lot of fun and we're going to miss having him around. 0:17:33.660 --> 0:17:36.000 Yeah. And then with Jeff, it's kind of what Isaac 0:17:36.020 --> 0:17:40.480 was saying where he was by far the most, not anti-analytic, 0:17:40.540 --> 0:17:42.830 but definitely didn't bring up the numbers as much as a, 0:17:43.230 --> 0:17:46.310 for example, like a Jack would do, or I guess, shit, 0:17:46.369 --> 0:17:50.490 even Gabby Sanchez, right? But Eli, what do you think 0:17:50.550 --> 0:17:52.390 they do with that analyst role? I think a big 0:17:52.430 --> 0:17:54.750 reason why Gabby stayed, too, to be honest, or they 0:17:54.770 --> 0:17:57.470 kept him was because he is a former Marlin, and 0:17:57.550 --> 0:18:00.350 that's one thing that they lacked a little bit, was 0:18:00.390 --> 0:18:03.630 having those former Marlins on. They brought in AJ in 25. 0:18:03.630 --> 0:18:07.220 I mean, Jeff Nelson was a part of these Peacock broadcasts, 0:18:07.240 --> 0:18:09.540 but they always promoted him as a former Yankee, which 0:18:09.619 --> 0:18:12.280 is the case, but you know, he was the best one. 0:18:12.420 --> 0:18:14.659 So they always got him on the Peacock broadcast. But 0:18:14.740 --> 0:18:16.820 usually you get a former player from each side. And 0:18:17.340 --> 0:18:19.020 that's kind of the trend I noticed with most of 0:18:19.060 --> 0:18:21.679 those broadcasts on Peacock. And for the Marlins, it was 0:18:21.720 --> 0:18:24.010 always Jeff Nelson. I think Gabby Sanchez did one of them, 0:18:24.030 --> 0:18:27.470 which was the Pittsburgh game. But again, I think having 0:18:27.490 --> 0:18:29.410 the former Marlins side of it and a guy who 0:18:29.450 --> 0:18:32.450 was around and has been around the organization, I guess 0:18:32.490 --> 0:18:35.150 somewhat helps. But just your thoughts on what they could 0:18:35.310 --> 0:18:37.600 do to fill that analyst role. They'll go younger. Do 0:18:37.640 --> 0:18:40.060 you think they'll go older? And I know you have 0:18:40.200 --> 0:18:41.780 one guy in mind for the radio spot. So if 0:18:41.800 --> 0:18:43.340 you want to give your thoughts on, on him and 0:18:43.359 --> 0:18:44.380 why he should be the guy there. 0:18:45.540 --> 0:18:48.080 I'll start quickly on, on Jeff Nelson, who I, I 0:18:48.119 --> 0:18:50.810 liked him quite a bit on the broadcast as kind 0:18:50.830 --> 0:18:53.750 of covered. He wasn't a, he wasn't stat cash savvy. 0:18:53.890 --> 0:18:57.370 He would kind of openly mock some of things that 0:18:57.430 --> 0:19:00.330 came up on stack cast, including like a pitch type labels. 0:19:00.369 --> 0:19:02.200 I remember like he, One of his things is he 0:19:02.220 --> 0:19:05.500 didn't really believe the sweeper was a distinct pitch. When 0:19:05.540 --> 0:19:08.980 he was talking about somebody's sweeper, he'd just consistently say, 0:19:09.020 --> 0:19:11.500 it's like a different form of a slider. Yeah, things 0:19:11.520 --> 0:19:14.619 like that, that he would have his bit of an 0:19:14.880 --> 0:19:17.030 old man yelling at clouds thing. But I thought it 0:19:17.070 --> 0:19:20.149 was like, I think he genuinely loves baseball, and he 0:19:20.170 --> 0:19:22.149 really does obsess over these little details. I learned a 0:19:22.190 --> 0:19:25.689 lot about pitching just from listening to him. I think 0:19:25.730 --> 0:19:27.730 he brought up some really unique points that I didn't 0:19:27.750 --> 0:19:30.379 hear from anybody else in this analyst group. So I 0:19:30.380 --> 0:19:32.300 thought he added value to the broadcast. I thought he 0:19:32.359 --> 0:19:36.320 had good chemistry with Kyle. So that's an interesting aspect. 0:19:36.340 --> 0:19:38.719 I wonder how that actually may have tied into it 0:19:38.740 --> 0:19:41.140 a little bit. I think, generally speaking, it was not 0:19:41.740 --> 0:19:44.669 an ideal fit, the fact that he was still stubborn 0:19:44.690 --> 0:19:48.870 about some new age things. But in particular, he worked 0:19:48.890 --> 0:19:50.920 well with Kyle. And if Kyle wasn't going to be here, 0:19:50.980 --> 0:19:55.030 then maybe they felt that he wouldn't be in his 0:19:55.109 --> 0:19:57.790 very best position to succeed as an analyst moving forward. 0:19:57.810 --> 0:19:59.190 That might have been part of it. Anyway, so I 0:19:59.210 --> 0:20:01.790