1 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:14,200 Speaker 1: What's going on everybody? John middlecop Bing Out podcast, We're 2 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:18,840 Speaker 1: back again, Davey Friday countdown for the Draft is on 3 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:22,319 Speaker 1: my Donkey Kong right right around the corner. You know, 4 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:24,400 Speaker 1: it kind of looked like like what was I gonna 5 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:28,120 Speaker 1: talk about today? And then we got as good of 6 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:31,280 Speaker 1: an article. I live for these articles. In a day 7 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:34,560 Speaker 1: and age when you know journalists are terrified to write 8 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 1: anything that's gonna piss off their sources, you don't get 9 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:42,080 Speaker 1: stuff like this, just fantastic on Rogers McCarthy. The Packers 10 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 1: have a bunch of thoughts on that have several opinions 11 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:50,599 Speaker 1: on the a F that you won't hear anywhere else. Uh, 12 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 1: many in the media are taking a are taking a 13 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 1: certain stand, and I couldn't agree. I couldn't disagree more 14 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 1: with most of the articles and the takes I'm reading 15 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:06,400 Speaker 1: on social media on the a F. And then for 16 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:09,760 Speaker 1: The Athletic, I wrote about Nick Bosa and just how 17 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:11,560 Speaker 1: good he is, and I'm just gonna kind of dive 18 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:13,560 Speaker 1: in on just some things I thought on Nick bos 19 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:17,920 Speaker 1: And then like always, Middlecoff mail bag at John Middlecoff 20 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 1: is my Instagram handle. You slide up in those d 21 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 1: m S. And then I'll answer your question right here 22 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:27,399 Speaker 1: on the podcast at John Middlecoff, my Instagram handle, my 23 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:29,679 Speaker 1: Twitter handle. The easiest way to get a hold of 24 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:32,200 Speaker 1: me tweet at me. But for this exercise, and like 25 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:34,560 Speaker 1: we do every day, you just fire up in my 26 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:39,320 Speaker 1: d M S at John Middlecoff Instagram. Okay, there's several 27 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 1: elements to this packer thing I kind of want to unfold, 28 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:46,959 Speaker 1: and I would highly recommend just google Aaron Rodgers Bleacher Report, 29 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy. It's just a great Bleacher Report article, inside sources, 30 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 1: people players going on record, and let's start with Aaron 31 00:01:57,720 --> 00:02:01,600 Speaker 1: Rodgers because I thought he came out looking the worst. 32 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy kind of got eviscerated in this thing too, 33 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 1: but he's fired, Like Mike McCarthy lost his job, and 34 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:10,800 Speaker 1: I think the conventional wisdom around football fans is Mike 35 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:13,840 Speaker 1: McCarthy was a little overrated, not a great coach. I 36 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 1: thought Aaron Rodgers came out looking terrible. And I'm gonna 37 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:20,400 Speaker 1: start off with this, just this kind of elephant in 38 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:24,360 Speaker 1: the room about Aaron Rodgers. Listen, I I know countless 39 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 1: people that have had not knockdown drag outs. If you're 40 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:29,520 Speaker 1: a guy with your father, if you're a woman with 41 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:33,839 Speaker 1: your mother, and everyone's siblings it can be touchy over 42 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:37,520 Speaker 1: money situations. Siblings don't talk. All sorts of relationships that 43 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:41,960 Speaker 1: that's not necessarily to me un normal or something you 44 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:45,240 Speaker 1: don't see in just people's relationship that you know. But 45 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 1: typically in my experience of just people I know, the 46 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:52,079 Speaker 1: whoever the opposite of Like if you're a guy your 47 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:54,360 Speaker 1: mother or if you're a girl your father, usually you 48 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:58,639 Speaker 1: have a decent relationship. Now, if Aaron Rodgers parents extorted 49 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 1: him or something, I get it, but it doesn't seem 50 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:03,680 Speaker 1: like that was the case. He just doesn't talk to 51 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:05,600 Speaker 1: his mom. I got news for you. I got a 52 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 1: massive red flag on Aaron Rodgers for just not talking 53 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 1: to his mother. Feels kind of like a scumbag, to 54 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:13,560 Speaker 1: be honest with you, kind of like a d bag 55 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 1: move there. There's no way to really get around that. 56 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:19,560 Speaker 1: Here's the other thing Aaron Rodgers, and it came up 57 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:22,520 Speaker 1: in this article all the time, like does Alex Smith 58 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:26,520 Speaker 1: own a real estate? In Aaron rodgers head, why why 59 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 1: does he keep worrying about Alex Smith and him getting 60 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 1: chosen over him? In two thousand five, like Brady used 61 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 1: at his motivation, used as motivation. Then eventually he just 62 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:38,120 Speaker 1: started winning m vps, started winning Super Bowls. Brady doesn't 63 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 1: talk about the draft that much anymore. Who cares, Like Aaron, 64 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 1: you want you begin the highest paid player in the league. 65 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:47,119 Speaker 1: You want a super Bowl? You've won m VP, maybe 66 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 1: m VPS. That feels like he's won m vps. Alex 67 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 1: Smith had a solid career. His flag fell off this year, 68 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:55,480 Speaker 1: but he's like one of the nice guys in the NFL. 69 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 1: Who cares this notion? Also, like Mike McCarthy wanted Alex 70 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:02,840 Speaker 1: Smith over Aaron Rodgers, I got news for you, Aaron. 71 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy was the offensive coordinator on that forty niner team. 72 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 1: He wasn't the GM, he was not the head coach, 73 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 1: he was not the decision maker. So even if he 74 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 1: liked Alex Smith, do you know what it turned out? 75 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:16,680 Speaker 1: Once he got around you, he liked you more than 76 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:18,600 Speaker 1: everyone he got. He was part of getting rid of 77 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:21,680 Speaker 1: Brett for with Ted Thompson. He coached you. He won 78 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:24,800 Speaker 1: a lot with you. You're holding onto this baggage. I 79 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 1: know Colin always had this famous quote. I think he 80 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 1: wrote it in his book you say it all the time. 81 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:31,920 Speaker 1: I remember writing it down because it's just it's true, 82 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:34,760 Speaker 1: and I'm I can be petty and hold onto stuff, 83 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:38,120 Speaker 1: but holding a grudge is like chain smoking. Hey, and 84 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 1: Rogers has these deep demons, and most of our demons, 85 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 1: let's call it what it is, stem from our childhood. 86 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:47,479 Speaker 1: But I I got Rogers just kind of red flag one. 87 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 1: He just doesn't talk to his mother, and again, from 88 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:53,919 Speaker 1: what I know, she didn't try to do anything criminally 89 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:57,240 Speaker 1: wrong to him. Like I'm sorry, bro, get over it. 90 00:04:57,839 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 1: And holding some grudge on Mike McCarthy. We all have 91 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:03,800 Speaker 1: people in our life that we don't like for whatever reason. 92 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:07,039 Speaker 1: And clearly, if you read this article, Aaron Rodgers did 93 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 1: not view Mike McCarthy on the same intellectual level. That 94 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 1: to me, that's understandable. But this, it felt like one 95 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 1: elephant in the room. Of their relationship always stem back 96 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:20,920 Speaker 1: to Alex Smith, like let it go, Bro, it's over. 97 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 1: Here's another thing. And I say this about Lebron all 98 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 1: the time, and I think it holds true for Aaron Rodgers. 99 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:30,159 Speaker 1: If you are in charge of people in a company, 100 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 1: if you're the quarterback of an NFL team, if you're 101 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 1: the superstar NBA player, like part of your job, you 102 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:40,279 Speaker 1: have to get along with everyone. That includes people your 103 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 1: age that you may relate to. If you're in your 104 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 1: mid thirties, you're married, you have serious relationships, you don't 105 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:47,279 Speaker 1: go out as much, you do different things than people 106 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:50,240 Speaker 1: in their early twenties. But when you're the quarterback, you 107 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 1: still have to make an effort to get along with 108 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 1: those people in their early twenties. I think the best 109 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 1: ever at this is Tom Brady. He's forty years old 110 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:01,000 Speaker 1: and he gets along with everyone. It doesn't mean he's 111 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 1: taken him out for beers every week or hanging out 112 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:06,080 Speaker 1: with him all the time, but he clearly makes an 113 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:09,480 Speaker 1: effort to get to know them. He's basically like their boss, 114 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 1: you know, but he needs them to like him and 115 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:16,200 Speaker 1: respect him and be able to work with him. Look 116 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:19,920 Speaker 1: at Lebron refused to acquiesce or get along with any 117 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:22,159 Speaker 1: young players. Well, they're missing the playoffs and they've had 118 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:26,720 Speaker 1: a disastrous season, Aaron Rodgers is telling young wide receivers. 119 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:29,800 Speaker 1: Part of this article was they the play call would 120 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:32,360 Speaker 1: come in and they'd want him. I think the example 121 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:34,840 Speaker 1: was they wanted the guy to run a post and 122 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:37,080 Speaker 1: it was one of the young receivers, and Aaron looks 123 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:39,719 Speaker 1: at him, I want you to run a flag, and 124 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:44,279 Speaker 1: the guys like, uh, think of what a chitty position 125 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 1: Rogers is putting a young player in. And one of 126 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:50,279 Speaker 1: the things in this article talks about that when he 127 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 1: gets down upon you, when you're a young player, you're 128 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:54,760 Speaker 1: dead to him. So he kind of gotta listen to him. 129 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:56,920 Speaker 1: And then he runs the route that Aaron tells him 130 00:06:56,960 --> 00:06:59,479 Speaker 1: to run. Aaron, I don't know if the play breaks down, 131 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:02,719 Speaker 1: doesn't come to him. The player comes off to the 132 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:06,360 Speaker 1: sideline and the offensive coordinator, the wide receiver coaches lighting 133 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 1: the guy up, like what are you doing running the 134 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 1: wrong play. It's like Rogers is sabotaging his own team. 135 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 1: Now he's so goddamn good that they've been able to 136 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 1: overcome for a long period of time. This weird dysfunction, 137 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:23,480 Speaker 1: But to me, one of the things in this article 138 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:26,400 Speaker 1: says Mike McCarthy tried to relate to him on a 139 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 1: human level, invited him over to his house, try to 140 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:32,240 Speaker 1: tell him like, hey man, you probably should reach out 141 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 1: to your parents, like giving him pretty solid wisdom, like 142 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 1: you're gonna regret this as you get older unless you're 143 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 1: just a royal asshole and don't care, which, let's call 144 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 1: it what it is. It kind of feels that way. Again. 145 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 1: I thought Aaron Rodgers came off looking beyond terrible. There 146 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 1: was a story that Mike McCarthy didn't consistently attend like 147 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 1: offensive installation meetings or it was either like, uh, yeah, 148 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 1: I think it was offensive installation meetings. And the rumor 149 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 1: had it that one of the massage therapists that worked 150 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 1: on the players he liked to get massages too, and 151 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:07,320 Speaker 1: would sneaked up. I think it was a girl up 152 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 1: to his office to get a massage. Uh not not 153 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 1: like Robert Kraft massage, but like a legitimate massage. And 154 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 1: then there was part of the article where one of 155 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 1: the players were like, yeah, we never actually saw them. 156 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 1: It was just like this theory that was going around, 157 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 1: but we never saw the massage therapist with Mike. So 158 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 1: people thought that maybe Aaron made the whole thing up. 159 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:33,600 Speaker 1: Now he's so good, Like I said that, they had 160 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 1: no choice but to pay him all that money last year. 161 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:38,680 Speaker 1: He had earned it. But man, when when you pay 162 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:41,719 Speaker 1: a guy and you empower a guy, because that's what 163 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:44,720 Speaker 1: money does when you give a guy that type money, 164 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:48,160 Speaker 1: he's the most powerful person in your organization. And this 165 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 1: is an organization that doesn't have an owner. So he's 166 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:52,440 Speaker 1: more powerful than the head coach. He's more powerful than 167 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:54,959 Speaker 1: the general manager. He's more powerful than Mark Murphy. He's 168 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:57,200 Speaker 1: the most powerful guy in the building. Now, if you 169 00:08:57,280 --> 00:08:59,720 Speaker 1: make Tom Brady that guy, or Peyton Manning that guy, 170 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 1: someone that just can galvanize the group, it's not that 171 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:05,679 Speaker 1: big of a deal. Stef Curry that guy. It works 172 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:08,560 Speaker 1: when you do it for like Lebron and he's just 173 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 1: got his own ship going on, can ruin your team 174 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:15,480 Speaker 1: like did Rogers just torpedo a season last year and 175 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:17,280 Speaker 1: really the last couple of years because they haven't made 176 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 1: the playoffs now. I do think this also reflects Mike 177 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:23,400 Speaker 1: McCarthy's he's the most dynamic coach in the league. No 178 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:27,280 Speaker 1: is he the people, but the article and some of 179 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:30,560 Speaker 1: the players which felt like they had an Aaron Rodgers agenda, 180 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:34,320 Speaker 1: they made him seem like he's Jim tom Seula. I've 181 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 1: watched Mike McCarthy coach for the last ten years. He 182 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:39,720 Speaker 1: had his flaws and he and one of the things 183 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 1: they eviscerated him, Uh for and rightfully so. The NFC 184 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 1: championship game against Seattle several years ago, they kicked field 185 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 1: goals multiple times at the one yard line like that, 186 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:54,679 Speaker 1: that's on, Mike McCarthy. You can't coach like a Woos 187 00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 1: like go for it, buddy. This is was all or nothing, 188 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:02,599 Speaker 1: and he deserved. He deserved to get fired because I 189 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:06,600 Speaker 1: also saw a quote from Mike McCarthy yesterday. I think 190 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:09,160 Speaker 1: he sat down with like an ESPN dot com reporter 191 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:13,520 Speaker 1: and I took this the wrong way. McCarthy said that 192 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 1: he was like I don't know if he used the 193 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:20,080 Speaker 1: word blindsided or the Packers handled it incorrectly firing him, 194 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:23,679 Speaker 1: Like I'm sorry, Mike, the team was the team was terrible. 195 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:27,440 Speaker 1: You just lost to the Arizona Cardinals that had a 196 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:31,199 Speaker 1: one and done coach who had the worst offensive line 197 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 1: the league, whose team was just in shambles, and they 198 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:37,080 Speaker 1: beat you at home, Like you shouldn't have been surprised 199 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 1: it was time for you to go. So did they 200 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 1: handle it poorly? What do you want them to do? 201 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:45,720 Speaker 1: Like send you some roses before they tell you you're fired. 202 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:49,640 Speaker 1: Being fired sucks. It's happened to me, actually, multiple times. 203 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 1: I'd argue, Hey, Mike. Both times I goten fired, it 204 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:55,600 Speaker 1: was the best thing that ever happened to me. You know, 205 00:10:55,640 --> 00:10:59,560 Speaker 1: there's some industries like and I always was insecure about this. 206 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:02,120 Speaker 1: You know, people that get fired that means like they're 207 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:05,319 Speaker 1: late to work or they're shitty workers. Now in certain businesses, 208 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 1: like when I worked in the NFL we had a 209 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 1: regime change, I argued with Chip Kelly kind of made 210 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 1: my own bed on that with the radio station. I 211 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:16,080 Speaker 1: hated my boss. I refused to listen to him because 212 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:19,120 Speaker 1: he's the biggest clown I've ever been around. Both things 213 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 1: lead me to greener pastures. Life has been better since. 214 00:11:23,559 --> 00:11:26,720 Speaker 1: Like Mike, clearly you didn't want to be there. You 215 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:29,240 Speaker 1: didn't like working with this guy that you knew didn't 216 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 1: like you. You should have wanted to get out of there. 217 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:36,560 Speaker 1: And some of it is, you know, that feeling that 218 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 1: you just it's all you know, and you're so emotionally invested. 219 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 1: But now that he's taking a step back and he's 220 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:44,720 Speaker 1: been away from the team for a while, I'd say, hey, Mike, 221 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 1: and maybe he's realizing, like it's gonna be hard for 222 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:51,000 Speaker 1: me to get another job, and this doesn't you know, 223 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:53,200 Speaker 1: kind of shed great light on it. Maybe this makes 224 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:57,480 Speaker 1: it more challenging, older, more rigid coach, like you have 225 00:11:57,640 --> 00:12:00,240 Speaker 1: the chance, Mike to be a more dynamic play called aller. 226 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:05,480 Speaker 1: You had one of the great quarterback talents forever, and 227 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:07,560 Speaker 1: you showed us what you had and it was, for 228 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:10,160 Speaker 1: the most part, pretty basic crap, you know. It was 229 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:13,080 Speaker 1: never like, oh, look what Mike's doing like that. That's 230 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:15,440 Speaker 1: on you, buddy. So I think Aaron is the big 231 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 1: loser here because one back to what I said, you 232 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:21,360 Speaker 1: don't talk to your mom, You're just kind of a scumbag. Again, 233 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 1: unless she tried to steal money from here or something. McCarthy, 234 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:29,880 Speaker 1: we we already thought poorly about McCarthy. The Packers organization 235 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:33,199 Speaker 1: doesn't have great checks and balances. There is not an 236 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:35,959 Speaker 1: owner there. There's really like the people owned the team. 237 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:39,200 Speaker 1: Yet this Mark Murphy guy has all this power and 238 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:42,719 Speaker 1: what is he really like? This administrator but he's not 239 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 1: really cutting the checks. Just kind of a weird situation. 240 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 1: And I said from the jump, I watched the Green 241 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 1: Bay Packers press conference when they hired Matt Laflour. I 242 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 1: thought it was a disaster. I thought he looked young. 243 00:12:55,559 --> 00:12:59,240 Speaker 1: I mean, he is young, but inexperienced, over his head, nervous. 244 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 1: It was just a weird situation. It felt like the 245 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 1: Mark Murphy Show. Huge ego. He talked for like fifteen 246 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 1: minutes before he even gave the mike to the coach. 247 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:11,360 Speaker 1: I I think this guy has little the no chance 248 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:16,040 Speaker 1: of figuring out an egomaniac quarterback who just made eighty 249 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 1: million dollars in six months. I remember Schefter tweeted part 250 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:20,920 Speaker 1: of the contract they paid him eighty million dollars or 251 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:23,160 Speaker 1: six months. I just don't see it working. Their team 252 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 1: is not really that talented. Their division now is really good. 253 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:29,400 Speaker 1: The Bears are good, the Vikings are bouncing back. Uh, 254 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 1: the Lions are feisty, crappy team. I'm just out on 255 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 1: the Packers. I'm kind of out on Aaron Rodgers. I 256 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 1: I just you know, I will not dispute his greatness, 257 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:42,439 Speaker 1: but I don't know, is he a little overhyped when 258 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:44,600 Speaker 1: you read stuff like this. He's just not a great guy. 259 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:47,400 Speaker 1: He's not a great team player, not a great teammate. 260 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 1: Just a great talent who's been over to been able 261 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 1: to overcome this his entire career. And just I love 262 00:13:55,720 --> 00:13:58,600 Speaker 1: these type of articles I I tweeted earlier. I lived 263 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 1: for these type articles. We don't get these enough, Like 264 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:02,600 Speaker 1: this is what we want. We want to know what's 265 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:05,120 Speaker 1: really going on. We want to know how the sausage 266 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:07,679 Speaker 1: is made in the NFL. And I hear story. I'm 267 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:10,200 Speaker 1: not a reporter. I get some juice like this every 268 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:11,600 Speaker 1: once in a a while, but I'm not really allowed to 269 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:14,679 Speaker 1: share it. Uh, I don't have this This that information 270 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:18,319 Speaker 1: was just fantastic because he went in there with a 271 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:20,880 Speaker 1: machine gun. It wasn't like there was no agenda. It 272 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 1: was taken everyone out, and they deserved it. You act 273 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:26,440 Speaker 1: like this, you're this petty. You deserve it if you're Rogers, 274 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:29,440 Speaker 1: if you're McCarthy and you make stupid comments about how 275 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:31,880 Speaker 1: you were kind of shocked when you were shocked, and 276 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:34,280 Speaker 1: you're fired. Mike, your team is well under five hundred, 277 00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:35,800 Speaker 1: you han't made the playoffs the year before, you have 278 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 1: a franchise quarterback. You just lost the Cardinals. I think 279 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 1: you should get an extension. Are we living in the 280 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:45,680 Speaker 1: same world? Just what a disaster the Packers are. 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I really don't blame him at all. 309 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:21,880 Speaker 1: From what I've heard is he actually came into the 310 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:26,040 Speaker 1: deal with good intentions and then he realized, you know, 311 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 1: after three or four weeks, this business plan is a disaster. 312 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:32,520 Speaker 1: I blame I don't know if you guys have seen 313 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:35,160 Speaker 1: and if you haven't, go to Netflix and go to 314 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:40,160 Speaker 1: Hulu and watch the Fire Festival documentaries. I blame Billy 315 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:45,600 Speaker 1: McFarland Jr. A K. Charlie Ebersol. This was his vision 316 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 1: and this was his plan. He happens to be the 317 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:51,400 Speaker 1: son of one of the most famous television exects ever, 318 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:55,000 Speaker 1: Dick Ebersol. So when you say Ebersol the name, it 319 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:57,280 Speaker 1: got a lot of juice. Turns Out he's kind of 320 00:16:57,280 --> 00:17:01,160 Speaker 1: a clown. Turns Out he couldn't figure out a way 321 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:03,400 Speaker 1: to run this business and rushed into something that he 322 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:08,840 Speaker 1: had no business operating. Because they got two weeks into 323 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:12,119 Speaker 1: the season and had to get someone to give him 324 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:14,960 Speaker 1: a lot of money, not like a million dollar investment, 325 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 1: like two hundred million dollar investment. This guy, that Tom Dundon, 326 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:22,120 Speaker 1: that owns I think that Carolina Hurricanes, Well, I got 327 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:25,560 Speaker 1: news for you. We all we've all learned in any 328 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:28,760 Speaker 1: business deal, if you make a desperate deal, that is 329 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:32,639 Speaker 1: typically a bad deal because you are not doing a deal, 330 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:35,520 Speaker 1: You're doing a deal out of desperation. You have zero 331 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:38,239 Speaker 1: leverage when you're desperate, and the moment you give up 332 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:41,119 Speaker 1: all this control, you no longer control anything. So Dundon 333 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 1: could do whatever he wanted. He didn't come in with 334 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:46,840 Speaker 1: the same vision as Charlie Ebersol had, And unlike Billy 335 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:50,200 Speaker 1: McFarland and the Fire Festival, who legitimately I think tried 336 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:52,960 Speaker 1: to scam people. I don't think Charlie Ebersol was trying 337 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:55,880 Speaker 1: to scam anyone, but I do think because of his name, 338 00:17:56,560 --> 00:17:58,760 Speaker 1: and I learned a long time ago, a lot of 339 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:03,520 Speaker 1: people in business like using o PM other people's money, 340 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 1: sometimes because they don't have money themselves, also sometimes because 341 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:08,640 Speaker 1: they don't want to invest their own money. So if 342 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:12,400 Speaker 1: something goes belly up, it ain't on them. Charlie Eversol 343 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:14,440 Speaker 1: is kind of getting a free pass right now. And 344 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:16,800 Speaker 1: what makes me nervous about the way this is being 345 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:20,199 Speaker 1: covered is I think, like the progressive media a lot 346 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:23,080 Speaker 1: of times, they don't understand business slash or are they 347 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:26,200 Speaker 1: too connected here to the Eversol family. You know, business 348 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:29,040 Speaker 1: I don't know, but it's been making me a little uncomfortable. 349 00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:32,680 Speaker 1: He deserves to get destroyed for this. He created this thing. 350 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:35,399 Speaker 1: He got all these people signed up, and they got 351 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:37,919 Speaker 1: two weeks in they didn't have any money, Like what 352 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:41,320 Speaker 1: maybe wait a year. That's why the XFL, the guy 353 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:44,760 Speaker 1: running the XFL is the guy funding the XFL. The 354 00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:49,280 Speaker 1: guy running the a F didn't have any cash. And 355 00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:52,119 Speaker 1: it's why I don't blame Bill Polian really that much 356 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:54,919 Speaker 1: because Bill Polian is not a money guy. He's a 357 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:57,040 Speaker 1: football guy. And when you look at the a F, 358 00:18:57,280 --> 00:18:59,440 Speaker 1: they actually had a lot of good football guys. Good 359 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:02,359 Speaker 1: friend feels savage running was a GM of a team. 360 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:06,119 Speaker 1: Spurrior new heisl like. They had legitimate coaches and executives 361 00:19:06,119 --> 00:19:09,439 Speaker 1: in the league. The football wasn't a problem, it was 362 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:13,240 Speaker 1: the league's leadership. They had a guy that was so 363 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:15,520 Speaker 1: far over his skis that we just assumed knew what 364 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:18,040 Speaker 1: he was talking about because of his last name, where 365 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:19,760 Speaker 1: we heard that before. And it turns out the guy 366 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:24,879 Speaker 1: was incapable, incompetent, and very Billy McFarlane like, And all 367 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:27,880 Speaker 1: I'm reading are these think pieces on Twitter about all 368 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:31,639 Speaker 1: Dundon's of scumbag. Dundon's a scumbag like well, he pulled 369 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 1: his money out, that the league was a disaster. The 370 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 1: league wasn't his idea. He was. He was gonna keep 371 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:40,040 Speaker 1: it afloat. If it wasn't for him, the league would 372 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:43,440 Speaker 1: have died two months ago. It was dead after week two. 373 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:48,120 Speaker 1: He saved it. He finally just pulled the plug. He said, 374 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:51,320 Speaker 1: I'm out. I'm not doing it anymore, like I'm sorry. 375 00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:54,680 Speaker 1: This is on Charlie Ebersol. And I saw someone say 376 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:59,359 Speaker 1: yesterday Robert Klemco from Monday Morning Quarterback, And a lot 377 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:01,080 Speaker 1: of people are tw eating about this, like I can't 378 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:05,320 Speaker 1: believe because of these players, like I've been involved in 379 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:07,680 Speaker 1: a business to win belly up, or i got into 380 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:09,879 Speaker 1: a business deal where the money people are like I 381 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:12,400 Speaker 1: can't believe they're not paying for their flights home. There 382 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:15,159 Speaker 1: is no more money Where do people think the money 383 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:18,119 Speaker 1: comes from? If you're number one investor yanks all of 384 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:21,560 Speaker 1: his cash, there is no more money. So of course 385 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:23,959 Speaker 1: they're not paying for their flights, so there isn't. Uh, 386 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:26,760 Speaker 1: there isn't some savings account with a bunch of cash. 387 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:29,960 Speaker 1: It's over there at zero. They were already in the 388 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:32,960 Speaker 1: red before this guy showed up. And it's somewhat a 389 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:35,600 Speaker 1: guy I know that's in the loop text me that 390 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:39,080 Speaker 1: said Tom Dundon wanted to see this thing through, and 391 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:41,520 Speaker 1: they started seeing the financials. The whole thing was a disaster. 392 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:43,639 Speaker 1: I had a buddy in the NFL that said he 393 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:46,600 Speaker 1: went to visit some of these teams and he stayed 394 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:49,200 Speaker 1: I don't know if it was Memphis or San Antonio 395 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:51,679 Speaker 1: or something. And he goes to stay the night because 396 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:53,640 Speaker 1: he's gonna fly back to the city the next day. 397 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:56,680 Speaker 1: And he's sustaining in like a Marriott that was pretty nice, 398 00:20:56,720 --> 00:20:58,520 Speaker 1: and all the players were in the Marriott. It's like, 399 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:00,200 Speaker 1: where aren't they staying in a shitty or hope tell 400 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:04,720 Speaker 1: they're they were just wasting money. So again, Billy McFarland Jr. 401 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:07,880 Speaker 1: A k a. Charlie Eversoul is the guy to be blamed. 402 00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:11,200 Speaker 1: He deserves to get destroyed. I also have another take 403 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:15,680 Speaker 1: for you. If you told me at twenty three years old, 404 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:17,520 Speaker 1: the majority of these players are not going to play 405 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:20,439 Speaker 1: in the NFL, and they never were. They got fifty 406 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:24,280 Speaker 1: thousand dollars for ten weeks to get an experience where 407 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:26,720 Speaker 1: they got free publicity, where they got the NFL to 408 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 1: see him. I saw some I think p f T 409 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:31,560 Speaker 1: wrote that the CFL is interested in a lot of 410 00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:33,680 Speaker 1: these guys now, so it gave them an opportunity that 411 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:36,160 Speaker 1: they did not have. And then they learned a lesson 412 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:38,600 Speaker 1: that we all learn in business. Anyone that runs a 413 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:40,720 Speaker 1: small business, involved in a small business and any sort 414 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:44,119 Speaker 1: of business, no, sometimes things go the wrong way. And 415 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:47,400 Speaker 1: the best learning experience from any successful person I've ever 416 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:49,960 Speaker 1: met will tell you the thing they learned the most 417 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:54,200 Speaker 1: from our failures. These young men should would have paid 418 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:56,399 Speaker 1: for this experience in twenty years it's gonna be so 419 00:21:56,520 --> 00:22:00,160 Speaker 1: valuable to them. But they actually got paid for the failure. 420 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:04,080 Speaker 1: They got fifty thousand dollars for this disaster, like it's 421 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:06,760 Speaker 1: gonna be a good thing big picture. This is a 422 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:09,800 Speaker 1: positive thing, big picture for a player to be involved in. 423 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:12,440 Speaker 1: Why because they were gonna start and enter the real 424 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:14,720 Speaker 1: world in the very near future. They did. Most of 425 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 1: them did not have potential NFL futures. This was about 426 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:20,240 Speaker 1: just kind of living out a dream. They got paid 427 00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:23,560 Speaker 1: fifty grand for ten weeks. I got news for you. 428 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:26,520 Speaker 1: You're not getting much compassion with the average American guy. 429 00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:29,800 Speaker 1: You're minor league football painting that like, that's not bad, 430 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:33,120 Speaker 1: and they actually got that cash. And then the failure, 431 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:36,680 Speaker 1: Yeah it sucks, but also, hey, welcome to life. Sometimes 432 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:39,320 Speaker 1: things don't go as planned. I got news for you. Also, 433 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:41,560 Speaker 1: sometimes when things don't go as plans, usually never get 434 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:43,840 Speaker 1: any money. But you guys actually got paid for this. 435 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:47,560 Speaker 1: So a lot of these guys have they become successful, 436 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:50,400 Speaker 1: they'll look back. You know. The a F experience really 437 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:53,600 Speaker 1: benefited me, really helped me look at things under a 438 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:57,120 Speaker 1: different light. Again, you won't see one person in the 439 00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 1: sports media talk like that. Maybe maybe they don't teach 440 00:22:59,880 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 1: you that in journalism school. I don't know. I went 441 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:07,400 Speaker 1: to business school. You know. I do business for myself. 442 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:10,359 Speaker 1: I sell my own apps. Luckily, I have different expertise 443 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:12,440 Speaker 1: than a lot of people in the media because I've 444 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:15,200 Speaker 1: looked at this, the takes that I've seen on social 445 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:21,080 Speaker 1: media about the a f as borderline laughable and board disingenuous, naive, 446 00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:24,800 Speaker 1: a combination of them both. But I'm telling you the 447 00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:27,840 Speaker 1: plane flights, well, how's the plane flights even a story? 448 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:31,520 Speaker 1: There is no more money. The money is gone, and 449 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:33,240 Speaker 1: you can look at it all you want. The players 450 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:36,239 Speaker 1: got screwed over. Yeah, they knew what they signed up for. 451 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:38,680 Speaker 1: They wouldn't sign up for. This is in the NFL here, 452 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:42,320 Speaker 1: This wasn't some uh you know, some league. That was 453 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:46,040 Speaker 1: just they were desperate for an investor after week two, 454 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:49,000 Speaker 1: so that no money for the plane flights, no ship, 455 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:53,359 Speaker 1: no more cash. But to think that a positive can't 456 00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:57,560 Speaker 1: be taken out of this disaster is just it's wrong. 457 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 1: If anything, this is gonna serve a lot of these 458 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:03,439 Speaker 1: guys big picture and helped them for their future successes. 459 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:06,600 Speaker 1: That's not an opinion, that's a fact. It's proven over 460 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:08,879 Speaker 1: and over and over and over again. Most people that 461 00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:12,639 Speaker 1: are successful go through some terrible failures. That's life. And 462 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:15,000 Speaker 1: usually I got news for you, they don't get paid 463 00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:18,800 Speaker 1: for that. I've had some unpaid debts I realized I 464 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:20,600 Speaker 1: just met with my account because I had that happened 465 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:22,359 Speaker 1: last year. I'm like, oh, we can write it off. No, 466 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:24,879 Speaker 1: you can't write it off. I learned that's why they 467 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:27,560 Speaker 1: have these things called bill collectors. Why do you think 468 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:29,800 Speaker 1: companies come after you for your money because you can't 469 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:32,960 Speaker 1: ever write off the money. It's just it's just it's 470 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:36,280 Speaker 1: not an expense, you know, it's just hollow. It means nothing. 471 00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:40,119 Speaker 1: It's just unearned income. These guys actually got cash. So 472 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:42,399 Speaker 1: when you think about the a F don't feel sorry 473 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:44,760 Speaker 1: for these players. It's gonna be a benefit for them 474 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:47,120 Speaker 1: this league if it didn't exist. And I do think 475 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:50,240 Speaker 1: Charlie Ebersol, I think his heart, unlike Billy McFarland, wasn't 476 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:52,760 Speaker 1: the right place. I just think he had no business 477 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:55,680 Speaker 1: being the league guy. And he made a desperate deal 478 00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:57,720 Speaker 1: early on in this thing because his league was in 479 00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:01,639 Speaker 1: the tank, and desperate deals, for the most part equal 480 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:05,680 Speaker 1: terrible deals, and he got destroyed. Tom Dundon owned him, 481 00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:10,200 Speaker 1: owed him, The players, the executives nothing. They never should 482 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:12,920 Speaker 1: have been in the situation where they had to make 483 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:15,639 Speaker 1: a desperate deal. You should have had the financing lined 484 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:18,399 Speaker 1: up before the thing ever started, and he didn't, and 485 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:21,920 Speaker 1: he got him in a bad situation and the thing's over. 486 00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:26,440 Speaker 1: You know. Really one of the I'd say the star 487 00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:29,840 Speaker 1: of this draft not named Kyler Murray is Nick Bosa. 488 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:32,959 Speaker 1: It's a name we've now been talking about for several years. 489 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:36,720 Speaker 1: You know. It's unique because he has a brother who 490 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:39,920 Speaker 1: was like him, a guy highly thought of, top five 491 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:43,600 Speaker 1: draft pick and has become an NFL star. And Nick Bosa, 492 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:47,280 Speaker 1: by the time he was a true sophomore, dominated and 493 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:49,280 Speaker 1: kind of became on the map and was the number 494 00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:52,000 Speaker 1: one overall player for most people before Kyler Murray came 495 00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:54,280 Speaker 1: on the scene headed into the season last year, had 496 00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:58,280 Speaker 1: a growing injury, so it derailed his year. But I 497 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:00,600 Speaker 1: still think people thought highly of him. Well. I wrote 498 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:02,800 Speaker 1: an article on The Athletic because I you know, i'd 499 00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:04,800 Speaker 1: watched him on television, but I'd kind of dove in 500 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:07,639 Speaker 1: just to see how good he was, and I I 501 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:09,480 Speaker 1: have friends in the I have a lot of thoughts 502 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:13,200 Speaker 1: on Nick Bosa. First off, there have been several elite 503 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:17,359 Speaker 1: players the last several years to be drafted really high. 504 00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:19,480 Speaker 1: You know, a couple of years ago, Clowney and Mac 505 00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:23,240 Speaker 1: Mac was better earlier. Clowney has come into his own 506 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:27,280 Speaker 1: and has become a dominant player, Miles Garrett is really 507 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:30,960 Speaker 1: really special, and you know Von Miller of the of 508 00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:35,439 Speaker 1: the past is really good. Last year, Bradley Chubb excellent player. 509 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:38,680 Speaker 1: I'm probably leaving guys out. I was talking about top 510 00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:41,040 Speaker 1: young defensive lineman the other day and Daniel Hunter was 511 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:43,680 Speaker 1: a guy that I left out. So there's a small 512 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:46,320 Speaker 1: group of super super elite guys that go really high 513 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:49,479 Speaker 1: that have lived up to the hype. It Joey Bosa, 514 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:54,000 Speaker 1: his brother. When I see when I looked at Nick Bosa, 515 00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:57,000 Speaker 1: I think Khalil mack was a better college player, like 516 00:26:57,040 --> 00:27:00,760 Speaker 1: a better prospect coming out. Clowney better college prospect, Miles 517 00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:05,280 Speaker 1: Garrett better college prospect, Joey Bosa better college prospect. Now, 518 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:08,480 Speaker 1: all those guys are pretty elite players. I mean, Max 519 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:14,399 Speaker 1: beyond special, Bosa is dominant, Clowney has become an absolute 520 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:19,280 Speaker 1: ass kicker. A little stiff, but his power is basically unparalleled. 521 00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:23,880 Speaker 1: Probably beside like Khalil mckayer and Donald and Myles Garrett 522 00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:27,720 Speaker 1: looks to be like a future ass kicker. Now. Bradley 523 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:33,840 Speaker 1: Chubb last year, who like Bosa, little stiff, not really, 524 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:36,440 Speaker 1: I wouldn't call a bend the edge guy and someone 525 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:39,240 Speaker 1: on the Athletic in the comments section, when you say 526 00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:40,960 Speaker 1: bend the edge, what do you mean? And I know 527 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,280 Speaker 1: a lot of people listen probably understand that, but when 528 00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:47,160 Speaker 1: you turn the corner as an edge rusher stiff players, 529 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:50,080 Speaker 1: it's hard for them to kind of run the hulu. Well. 530 00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:52,280 Speaker 1: Von Miller is the best at it because he's like 531 00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:56,199 Speaker 1: he's gumby, and Khalil is really good at it. Miles 532 00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:59,119 Speaker 1: Garrett's pretty special at it. They're able to bend the 533 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:00,840 Speaker 1: edge and there's nothing you can do when you have 534 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:05,600 Speaker 1: that type speed. Clowney can't really, but he's so powerful 535 00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:09,040 Speaker 1: that he can drive tackles back into the quarterback. To me, 536 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:11,639 Speaker 1: Bradley Chubb is a lot like Nick Bosa and Bradley 537 00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:14,719 Speaker 1: Chubb Da. He had twelve sacks as a rookie. So 538 00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:16,919 Speaker 1: after I watched him, and then I also talked to 539 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,359 Speaker 1: some buddies in the league, and I said, what's his 540 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,680 Speaker 1: deal off the field, Because when Joey his brother came 541 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:26,200 Speaker 1: out along with Zeke Elliott, there were some red flags. 542 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:29,879 Speaker 1: They were massive partiers and people thought how would they 543 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:32,560 Speaker 1: handle it? Now both those two guys are so goddamn good, 544 00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:36,320 Speaker 1: no one cared Joey In. Actually, l A has been 545 00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:40,200 Speaker 1: a model citizen. No issues besides like contractual stuff and 546 00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:42,080 Speaker 1: some injuries. But I mean he's had no off the 547 00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:45,040 Speaker 1: field issues. Zeke, some stuffs popped up. I mean he's 548 00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:47,240 Speaker 1: had a six game suspension so far in his early career. 549 00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:51,320 Speaker 1: But from what I was told about nick Bosa team, 550 00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:54,960 Speaker 1: the coaching staff loved him. Super high character guy, big 551 00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:58,640 Speaker 1: time teammate. His football character means how much he cares, 552 00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:02,040 Speaker 1: how hard he works in football stuff, uh meetings, you know, 553 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:05,440 Speaker 1: work ethic in the weight room, stuff like that is excellent. 554 00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:08,720 Speaker 1: So to me, he checks all the boxes off the 555 00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:12,080 Speaker 1: field when it comes to character on the field, his 556 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:15,600 Speaker 1: film is damn good. I think he's a tad bit overhyped. Again, 557 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:17,840 Speaker 1: I don't see a von Miller. I don't see a 558 00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:20,320 Speaker 1: Khalil Mack. I don't see a guy of that. I 559 00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:23,160 Speaker 1: don't even see his brother. But I see Bradley chap 560 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,720 Speaker 1: who was widely considered the top defensive lineman last year 561 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:27,640 Speaker 1: and a top five pick. So when I take the 562 00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:33,240 Speaker 1: guy to if I'm now, my question mark is he's 563 00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:36,120 Speaker 1: twenty one years old. Maybe he's twenty two, but he's 564 00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:38,720 Speaker 1: since his senior year in high school, so two thousand fifteen, 565 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,880 Speaker 1: then his freshman year sixteen seventeen, and then here's eight teen, 566 00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:44,640 Speaker 1: so that's the last four years. His senior in high school. 567 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:47,480 Speaker 1: He tore his a c L. This year he had 568 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:50,440 Speaker 1: a sports herneo type deal that missed the season. So 569 00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:54,200 Speaker 1: in four the last four seasons of playing football, he's 570 00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:58,120 Speaker 1: had two season ending injuries. So I'm not a doctor, 571 00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:01,040 Speaker 1: and general managers are not doctor. You are dependent on 572 00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:03,040 Speaker 1: your doctors. If they give you a clean bill of health, 573 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:07,360 Speaker 1: that's all you can rely on. But it can't be disputed. 574 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:11,720 Speaker 1: The injuries are a concern and they are talked about. Now. 575 00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:14,760 Speaker 1: If you've given a clean bill of health, you still 576 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:17,200 Speaker 1: probably go with them, but you do have to acknowledge 577 00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:20,080 Speaker 1: if he gets hurt again. And I get their different 578 00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:23,520 Speaker 1: human beings, but his brother has had some injuries pretty sure. 579 00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:25,160 Speaker 1: This year his brother was nowhere to be found with 580 00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:28,280 Speaker 1: the foot injury till late in the season. It's just 581 00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:29,480 Speaker 1: something to keep an eye on. And And I think that 582 00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:31,280 Speaker 1: first year when he held out, didn't he have a 583 00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:35,320 Speaker 1: hamstring injury? Like the bases aren't exactly the clean bill 584 00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:38,480 Speaker 1: of health family, I don't think he's a perfect prospect 585 00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:41,480 Speaker 1: by any by any means, i'd have to. I don't 586 00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:44,840 Speaker 1: know Bradley Chubb's injury history. I don't remember there being much, 587 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:48,640 Speaker 1: So just on the injuries alone, i'd probably stack Bradley Chubb. 588 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:50,680 Speaker 1: You know, if I was just stacking him, would put 589 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:54,120 Speaker 1: him above Again. If he had injuries, then maybe i'd 590 00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:56,440 Speaker 1: put a boats over. But from my knowledge, I don't 591 00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:58,720 Speaker 1: think he was an injury guy. I would put over. 592 00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:00,920 Speaker 1: But that's that's a great ask the guys to be in. 593 00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:04,320 Speaker 1: He's a really good player. I think he's a tad 594 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:07,200 Speaker 1: bit overhyped because people are talking about him. I don't 595 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:10,000 Speaker 1: see a transcendent talent, you know, I don't. I don't 596 00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:12,480 Speaker 1: see a von Miller, Von Miller, Cleil mac or hall 597 00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:17,320 Speaker 1: of famers Khalil Mack got franchise tag. Now, excuse me, 598 00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:19,640 Speaker 1: Clowney got franchise tag. I don't think clown is gonna 599 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:22,360 Speaker 1: be a Hall of Famer. Clowne's damn good. You know, 600 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:24,480 Speaker 1: if you get clowning your team for eight nine years, 601 00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:26,200 Speaker 1: you're gonna be in pretty good shape. You guy's gonna 602 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,800 Speaker 1: make six or seven Pro Bowls, most of I should make. 603 00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:32,520 Speaker 1: You know, several Pro Bowls three or four. But that's 604 00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:36,760 Speaker 1: that's fine. Ideally with the number two overall pick, you 605 00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:39,160 Speaker 1: want a Hall of Famer, you know you you want 606 00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:41,760 Speaker 1: Von Miller. When you're talking about a pass rusher, you 607 00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:44,680 Speaker 1: want Khalil Mack. And I just don't see that. Now, 608 00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:48,480 Speaker 1: that's not a criticism. He's just those that group of 609 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:51,680 Speaker 1: guys should be in rareer. But this guy is gonna 610 00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:54,320 Speaker 1: be a good player. He's gonna go high. I just 611 00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:57,760 Speaker 1: I have you know, I'm not all in. I guess 612 00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:00,480 Speaker 1: you know, if I'm a Niner and and her fan, 613 00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:02,400 Speaker 1: I get being excited for it. He's gonna be a 614 00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:05,880 Speaker 1: really good player. But you know, last year, the number 615 00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:07,840 Speaker 1: five pick in the draft, the number one defensive lineman 616 00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:10,400 Speaker 1: off the board, had had twelve sacks. So is this 617 00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:13,160 Speaker 1: guy gonna get double digit sacks as a rookie? To me, 618 00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:18,080 Speaker 1: probably seven or eight is a little more realistic. Okay, 619 00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:20,760 Speaker 1: let's get to the Middlecoff mail back at John Middlecoff. 620 00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:23,280 Speaker 1: Is my handle slide up in those d m s? 621 00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:26,120 Speaker 1: And I'll answer your question. Don't you think Mike Davis 622 00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:28,880 Speaker 1: will fill the Jordan Howard girl question? He was a big, 623 00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,440 Speaker 1: physical back in Seattle. I heard someone say that he 624 00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:33,280 Speaker 1: was a pass catcher. I don't really remember seeing that 625 00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:35,720 Speaker 1: a lot, but I think I like Trek and him 626 00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,280 Speaker 1: in the backfield. What do you think the one kind 627 00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:40,720 Speaker 1: of knock that I heard on Jordan Howard, he's not 628 00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:43,760 Speaker 1: a pass catching running back, and then Matt Naggie's offense, 629 00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:46,320 Speaker 1: you gotta catch the ball. He's also for a bigger back, 630 00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:50,680 Speaker 1: not the most physical runner where he's a downhill with 631 00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,160 Speaker 1: a with a full back. The Bears aren't doing that. 632 00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:56,080 Speaker 1: The Eagles a little like the Bears, but they still 633 00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:58,720 Speaker 1: kind of run, have some old school tendencies that they 634 00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:01,640 Speaker 1: will run him between the apples. I definitely think he 635 00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:04,840 Speaker 1: makes more sense in Philly that he did in Chicago. 636 00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:07,360 Speaker 1: And you know what if it doesn't work in Philly. 637 00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:08,960 Speaker 1: How he didn't give up anything where they give like 638 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:12,800 Speaker 1: six round pick who even cares at? Oliver had that 639 00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:15,720 Speaker 1: insane pro day, But the sack numbers don't seem to 640 00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:18,600 Speaker 1: match the measurables. You talked about pass rushing being kind 641 00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:21,000 Speaker 1: of an ined ability. Do you think he projects is 642 00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:24,520 Speaker 1: more of a Brodrick Bunkley or an Aaron Donald, Not 643 00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:26,680 Speaker 1: that Bunkley was bad. He just saw a stock rise 644 00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:30,200 Speaker 1: and crazy good workouts. I do think that at Oliver 645 00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:32,960 Speaker 1: has a chance to be pretty special, total freak, number 646 00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:37,280 Speaker 1: one wide recruit. We've seen the flashes. He was in 647 00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:40,280 Speaker 1: kind of a crappy program. I'll be honest, I haven't 648 00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:43,880 Speaker 1: totally studied him, but you're right, you'd like to see 649 00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:47,440 Speaker 1: a guy at a lower level dominate and he didn't. Really, 650 00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:50,480 Speaker 1: but he's getting double teamed every play. Now you could 651 00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:52,719 Speaker 1: argue you should be splitting the double teams. I do 652 00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:56,880 Speaker 1: think he's a pretty raw, elite athlete who projects more. 653 00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:58,719 Speaker 1: And I think you see this lot in the NBA 654 00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:01,200 Speaker 1: A guy that project X to be a better player 655 00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:03,400 Speaker 1: in the pros and he does in college. I think 656 00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:06,280 Speaker 1: that's at Oliver. To me. It's a lot also about 657 00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:09,080 Speaker 1: getting to know his personality. Is he a super tough guy, 658 00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:11,799 Speaker 1: some of the weird things that happened in Houston. I 659 00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:14,920 Speaker 1: do think he's a big time prospect, But like Bunkly, 660 00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:17,680 Speaker 1: I do think there's a chance, like he's got some 661 00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:20,960 Speaker 1: bus potential. He's got some because he's kind of a 662 00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:24,640 Speaker 1: tween er. He's they don't know exactly what position to 663 00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:27,320 Speaker 1: put him at. I think he has a The upside 664 00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:29,719 Speaker 1: is through the roof. I mean the upside. I think 665 00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:34,120 Speaker 1: he's been compared before. H Ingram for the Chargers play 666 00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:36,920 Speaker 1: some defensive tackle. They moved him around a lot. He 667 00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:39,520 Speaker 1: was a bigger player in college. He slimmed down since 668 00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:43,239 Speaker 1: freak athlete. He could kind of play that role in 669 00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:45,440 Speaker 1: the NFL. Like to me, that's his best case. He 670 00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:47,839 Speaker 1: just becomes an elite pass rusher. You can put him inside, 671 00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:50,120 Speaker 1: you can put him outside. He's just kicking asid taking names. 672 00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:53,520 Speaker 1: Worst case, I think he's like some of these workout 673 00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:56,560 Speaker 1: warriors that were underachiever somewhat in college. To me, the 674 00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:59,799 Speaker 1: hard part, I it would be so much easier. Like 675 00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:01,520 Speaker 1: to me, he might be going in the top five 676 00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:06,200 Speaker 1: if he had been you know, at Alabama or at 677 00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:09,120 Speaker 1: Michigan or at USC But he's played at Houston. I 678 00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:12,440 Speaker 1: think that goes against him a little bit. But I'm 679 00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:17,320 Speaker 1: in at Oliver Fan. Okay, let's fire through some more questions. 680 00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:22,040 Speaker 1: With the Broncos hiring Fangio, signing Kareem Jackson, Bryce Callahan, 681 00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:24,759 Speaker 1: still having Chris Harris, Von Miller and Chubb, there's no 682 00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:28,600 Speaker 1: there to rush the passer. The signs point to them 683 00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:30,520 Speaker 1: continuing to stack the defense in the draft. Do you 684 00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:33,400 Speaker 1: think the strategy of a lockdown, lights out defense and 685 00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:36,600 Speaker 1: a decent, serviceable offense can work in today's NFL like 686 00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:39,040 Speaker 1: it did in two thousand five, or offense is just 687 00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:43,040 Speaker 1: too powerful. I think the one problem for them is 688 00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:45,200 Speaker 1: there in a division with the best offense in the league, 689 00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:48,319 Speaker 1: most explosive offense in the league, the Chargers are just 690 00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:51,880 Speaker 1: so good in theory, the Raiders should be a lot better. 691 00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:54,840 Speaker 1: I think there's always a place for a great defense, 692 00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:58,040 Speaker 1: but you gotta be serviceable on offense. Like even the 693 00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:01,879 Speaker 1: Ravens last year, who dominated on defense, you know, had 694 00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,920 Speaker 1: one of the best running games in the NFL the 695 00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:09,279 Speaker 1: Bears on offense, they were explosive, they scored touchdowns. So 696 00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:11,480 Speaker 1: if you're gonna have a great defense, you still need 697 00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:13,600 Speaker 1: to throw up some points. So to me, you could 698 00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:15,880 Speaker 1: pull that crap off in the eighties and the nineties, 699 00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:20,440 Speaker 1: just ellitalite defense and just okay offense. To me, and 700 00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:22,239 Speaker 1: the best of both the world's I'd much rather have 701 00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:25,400 Speaker 1: the elite offense and the okay defense. But if I'm 702 00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:27,920 Speaker 1: gonna have an elite defense, I need to do something 703 00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:31,560 Speaker 1: really well on offense and in theory, Philip Lindsay should 704 00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:33,359 Speaker 1: be a stut like he should be a guy. They 705 00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:36,800 Speaker 1: should be a good running team, and you get Flacco 706 00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:39,400 Speaker 1: a deep threat. He is a great deep ball thrower, 707 00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:42,400 Speaker 1: especially out of play action. So you know, I I 708 00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:45,080 Speaker 1: wouldn't write the Broncos off next year. They do have 709 00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:48,720 Speaker 1: really good players. They do have difference making players on defense. 710 00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:50,719 Speaker 1: I mean, they got two elite pass rushers, Like you said, 711 00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:53,840 Speaker 1: they should have a very good secondary. Fangio over the 712 00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:58,040 Speaker 1: last ten years has has had great defensive backfields, Like 713 00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:01,160 Speaker 1: they just play very very well, and they don't always 714 00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:03,600 Speaker 1: have like It's not like they got Eduard nerl Thomas 715 00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:07,160 Speaker 1: and his defensive backfields. He's had guys overachieved. He makes 716 00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:09,920 Speaker 1: corners become really good players. I think the Broncos are 717 00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:15,240 Speaker 1: gonna be solid next year. Riley Ridley is the third 718 00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:17,799 Speaker 1: would be more of a steal. So someone just sent 719 00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:24,319 Speaker 1: me a four, three round mock draft and it's got 720 00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:26,399 Speaker 1: the Raiders taken Devin White at four. I could see 721 00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:29,560 Speaker 1: that just some highlights. Drew Lock third team to the Dolphins, 722 00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:31,960 Speaker 1: could see that a keen Butler to the Niners. Could 723 00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:35,560 Speaker 1: see that Chase Winovich Titans late second. I like Chase 724 00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:40,920 Speaker 1: Winovitch Packers taken Riley Ridley. Uh, I don't think Riley 725 00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:43,200 Speaker 1: Ridley is as good as brother. Clearly his brother is 726 00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:45,000 Speaker 1: a damn good player. I mean last year he kicked 727 00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:49,239 Speaker 1: ask for the Atlanta Falcons. To me, the problem with 728 00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:53,640 Speaker 1: the Georgia guys is they are a huge projection because 729 00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:56,160 Speaker 1: they were in such a run heavy offense these last 730 00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:58,160 Speaker 1: couple of years, and rightfully so. I mean, they running 731 00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:02,160 Speaker 1: backs were badasses. The you know, this guy's gonna get 732 00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:04,880 Speaker 1: propped up a little bit because of his brother, the genetics. 733 00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:06,960 Speaker 1: I don't know though, I mean third round though it's 734 00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,239 Speaker 1: good value. Yeah, I'd take Riley really in the third 735 00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:12,680 Speaker 1: round in a heartbeat. With the rumors of a potential 736 00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:15,640 Speaker 1: Josh Rosen trade. Was the draft a bus for the 737 00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:18,120 Speaker 1: Cardinals last year, picking Josh Rosen with the number ten 738 00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:22,440 Speaker 1: overall pick and trading up to get Josh. To me, 739 00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:24,440 Speaker 1: it just depends what they get back because they didn't 740 00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:26,560 Speaker 1: give up very much. It would be one thing if 741 00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:28,560 Speaker 1: you had given up a future one then I'd be like, 742 00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:30,400 Speaker 1: I don't know if I'd get rid of Rosen. But 743 00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:32,840 Speaker 1: they traded up five spots in the first round to 744 00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:35,239 Speaker 1: get Josh Rosen and they gave up a third round pick. 745 00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:38,719 Speaker 1: So if they get let's say a second round pick 746 00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:41,400 Speaker 1: that's better than what they gave up, then that they 747 00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:44,040 Speaker 1: lose a little bit, like there's some sunk cost in 748 00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:46,440 Speaker 1: trading the guy that used the number ten overall pick on. 749 00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:50,120 Speaker 1: But who's to say that they would have still been 750 00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:52,880 Speaker 1: the number one overall draft teaming if they would have 751 00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:55,759 Speaker 1: taken I don't know, Derwin James. You think, I mean 752 00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:58,640 Speaker 1: their quarterback that Bradford was so terrible and they had Glennon. 753 00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:02,160 Speaker 1: But to me, it just depends when they get back. 754 00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:03,759 Speaker 1: I mean, what if I told you that somehow the 755 00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:06,360 Speaker 1: Washington Redskins given pick fifteen, then you'd be like, no, 756 00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:08,520 Speaker 1: they didn't lose anything. Now, if they get a third 757 00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:11,080 Speaker 1: round for Josh Rosen, yes, that's that's a that's a 758 00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:13,600 Speaker 1: major waste. If they get if they get the giants 759 00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:16,879 Speaker 1: thirty eight pick and they only gave up a third 760 00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:20,840 Speaker 1: round pick, you know, I'd say it's a net negative, 761 00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:23,560 Speaker 1: but it's not the worst deal in the world. So 762 00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:25,919 Speaker 1: I I just think we gotta see what they get 763 00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:29,440 Speaker 1: back in return. And here's the other thing. If Kyler 764 00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:32,399 Speaker 1: Murray turns out to be Russell Wilson meets Michael Vick, 765 00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:37,200 Speaker 1: who gives a ship. Who honestly, who will care if 766 00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:40,920 Speaker 1: Kyler Murray becomes a star not a soul. That that that, 767 00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:42,919 Speaker 1: to me is the is the elephant in the room 768 00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:46,120 Speaker 1: is just how good is Kyler Murray? Do you think 769 00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:48,840 Speaker 1: Green and Mayak have enough job security to just trade 770 00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:51,759 Speaker 1: their first round picks away and stockpile picks for next 771 00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:56,080 Speaker 1: year's and then pounced Trevor Lawrence sweepsteaks. Well, Trevor Lawrence 772 00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:58,560 Speaker 1: only a freshman, so he's not even in next year's draft. 773 00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:01,840 Speaker 1: It would be for two h Jake from and some 774 00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:05,760 Speaker 1: of those guys. They definitely do have enough job security, 775 00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:08,960 Speaker 1: but they gotta pick some players like Gruden. Grudenate worried 776 00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:11,759 Speaker 1: that there was no such thing as a rebuild. Gruden said, 777 00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:14,680 Speaker 1: f you to the rebuild. He when I got Antonio Brown, 778 00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:18,480 Speaker 1: Trent Brown, LaMarcus Joiner, big Sign, Ryan Grant. They got 779 00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:21,640 Speaker 1: Tyrone Williams like he's trying to win. Now. That's why 780 00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:24,800 Speaker 1: I called bs on the cleil Mack trade, because Gruden 781 00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:27,520 Speaker 1: wasn't trying to rebuild. This is not a rebuild. They're 782 00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:30,560 Speaker 1: they're trying to You can't reload when you were terrible, 783 00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:33,239 Speaker 1: but they're trying to win now. So I I just 784 00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:36,040 Speaker 1: they could in theory do that. They're they're not going 785 00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:42,759 Speaker 1: to do that though. Oh let's see. Please answer on 786 00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:46,200 Speaker 1: your podcast forty nine Ers fan? How does Bosa compared 787 00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:49,040 Speaker 1: to Chubb and Garrett? I talked about that earlier. To me, 788 00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:53,480 Speaker 1: Chubb is his comparison. Garrett is a much better college 789 00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:59,560 Speaker 1: prospect than Bosa. He's longer, more athletic. His bend and 790 00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:02,239 Speaker 1: his beat around the edge, like most is explosive. But 791 00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:07,319 Speaker 1: Garrett is an elite, elite freak. Hey, John, big fan 792 00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:09,960 Speaker 1: of pod me too. Could you see a scenario in 793 00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:13,719 Speaker 1: which Seattle trades Russell Wilson for the six pick? If so, 794 00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:17,640 Speaker 1: you see the Steelers or the Seahawks taking Murray or 795 00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:19,839 Speaker 1: Haskins and try to emulate what they did back when 796 00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:22,759 Speaker 1: they won the Super Bowl. Yeah. To me, people keep 797 00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:24,680 Speaker 1: asking me how much would you have to get for 798 00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:27,880 Speaker 1: Russell Wilson? I said, four first round picks? And even 799 00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:31,799 Speaker 1: then four first round picks? What does that do for me? 800 00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:34,600 Speaker 1: I lose Russell Wilson, my best player. Seattle Seahawks has 801 00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:37,680 Speaker 1: made this playoffs six out of seven years. So every 802 00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:40,600 Speaker 1: year except one, Seattle Seahawks in Russell Wilson's career have 803 00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:42,759 Speaker 1: made the playoffs and the one year they missed, they 804 00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:45,480 Speaker 1: went nine and seven. So I would just pay Russell 805 00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:48,520 Speaker 1: Wilson a hundred thirty million dollars guaranteed. That's what I 806 00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:52,120 Speaker 1: would do. I'd say, Russell, here's a hundred thirty million dollars, 807 00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:55,800 Speaker 1: five years, one seventy five average thirty five million a 808 00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:59,920 Speaker 1: year and one thirty guaranteed. C O T a S. Buddy, 809 00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:02,640 Speaker 1: you need a private jet to fly CRD in New 810 00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:05,400 Speaker 1: York so she can build her brand. We'll give you 811 00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:10,160 Speaker 1: some some companies to contact, but you ain't going anywhere. Chief, 812 00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:14,560 Speaker 1: You're our quarterback for the long haul dog. You don't 813 00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:19,480 Speaker 1: trade Russell Wilson. You just you just don't. Maybe if 814 00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:22,680 Speaker 1: I mean I swear to God. On my other podcast 815 00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:25,120 Speaker 1: we talked about it. I said, nine first rounders. That's 816 00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:28,800 Speaker 1: a little extreme. I if you were open to trading 817 00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:31,719 Speaker 1: six first rounders. So okay, Gruden, you want them, give 818 00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:33,759 Speaker 1: me your three first rounders this year, give me your 819 00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:36,520 Speaker 1: two next year, and give me one the following year. 820 00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:39,759 Speaker 1: But again, even with all the first rounders, who plays quarterback? 821 00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:43,239 Speaker 1: I do not have a quarterback. The one kind of 822 00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:45,760 Speaker 1: crime about Russell they've never even got him a backup. 823 00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:48,440 Speaker 1: Luckily doesn't really miss games, but they they've never even 824 00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:50,880 Speaker 1: had a backup. I think how crazy that is the 825 00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:54,359 Speaker 1: one backup they had. I think they drafted the kid later. 826 00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:57,239 Speaker 1: Maybe it was undressed free agent was the TCU quarterback 827 00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:58,920 Speaker 1: who ended to get into a bunch of trouble and 828 00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:01,760 Speaker 1: they had to cut. It's kind of a clown question 829 00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:03,640 Speaker 1: for the mail bag as top as part of the 830 00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:08,000 Speaker 1: top thirty visits, do teams invite players in that they 831 00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:10,239 Speaker 1: know won't be able to draft but are likely going 832 00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:12,359 Speaker 1: to be a rival, maybe as a way to start 833 00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:15,759 Speaker 1: game planning against a high impact player. I have not 834 00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:21,759 Speaker 1: heard about it that scenario happening, though I don't think 835 00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:24,520 Speaker 1: it would be unrealistic. I remember in the Al Davis 836 00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:27,040 Speaker 1: book Fantastic book. I think John Cochrane was a guy 837 00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:28,959 Speaker 1: that wrote it was like a biography on his life. 838 00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:33,880 Speaker 1: Was he would send his defensive coordinator for like forty 839 00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:36,680 Speaker 1: years during pro days, even when they didn't need a 840 00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:40,640 Speaker 1: quarterback to go to the defensive pro days, or excuse me, 841 00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:43,200 Speaker 1: go to the top quarterbacks pro days just to get 842 00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:45,360 Speaker 1: a feel for the guy's strengths and weaknesses. So I 843 00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:48,759 Speaker 1: don't think it would be unrealistic if you know the team, 844 00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:52,040 Speaker 1: If you're the forty Niners and Kyler Murray's going number 845 00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:54,520 Speaker 1: one overall, why don't you bring him in the visit. 846 00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:56,879 Speaker 1: If he's going to the Cardinals, you're gonna face him 847 00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:59,880 Speaker 1: twice a year for the next potentially decade, bring him 848 00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:02,040 Speaker 1: in in. I think it would make sense for the 849 00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:06,600 Speaker 1: For the forty Niners for sure. Now he made the 850 00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:09,000 Speaker 1: Rams or Seattle wanted to bring him in, he'd probably 851 00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:11,440 Speaker 1: say no, But he wouldn't turn down the Niners. They're 852 00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:13,520 Speaker 1: they're drafting two overall, so I think it would make 853 00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:16,279 Speaker 1: sense for the Niners. I thought Al Daviss idea of 854 00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:20,040 Speaker 1: those genius send your defensive coordinator when you know a 855 00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:22,200 Speaker 1: quarterback is probably gonna go to a team, or you 856 00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:24,319 Speaker 1: just know a quarterback is gonna be starting, Like in 857 00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:26,800 Speaker 1: this draft, I would have sent my defensive coordinator to 858 00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:29,960 Speaker 1: Haskins and Kyler Murray's pro days last year, I would 859 00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:34,799 Speaker 1: have sent him to Baker's, Rosen's, Donald's. You're gonna have 860 00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:37,560 Speaker 1: to defend against these guys. You're gonna play them, so 861 00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:39,160 Speaker 1: you might as well kind of get a feel for 862 00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:43,600 Speaker 1: their strengths and weaknesses. I like I like that question. Okay, 863 00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:47,319 Speaker 1: we'll keep it shorter. Middlecoff mail bag. Appreciate everyone chiming in. 864 00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:50,360 Speaker 1: I hope you guys are fired up for the weekend. 865 00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:53,240 Speaker 1: We got Final four, we got the Master's Hello friends 866 00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:57,319 Speaker 1: right around the corner. Can't wait, Bart Scott boys, can't wait, 867 00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:01,680 Speaker 1: and uh enjoy the weekend. Have a few cocktails, let loose, 868 00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:04,560 Speaker 1: let your hair down. If I had hair, I'd let 869 00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:07,319 Speaker 1: it down for sure. And I'll see you all next week. 870 00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:28,600 Speaker 1: Peace m hm.