WEBVTT - BREAKING! Double Murder Suspect Andrew James McGann Makes His First Court Appearance

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<v Speaker 1>Hey there, folks. It's August first, and the suspect charged

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<v Speaker 1>for killing the Arkansas couple on a hike with their

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<v Speaker 1>young daughters just made his first court appearance. Bond has

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<v Speaker 1>been denied. He did not enter a plea of not guilty,

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<v Speaker 1>but police say he's already told them he's guilty. And

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<v Speaker 1>with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. Robes.

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<v Speaker 1>He was in court just a short time ago, and

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<v Speaker 1>I guess it was something. There's some images out of there,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's just kind of eerie to just lay eyes

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<v Speaker 1>on them.

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<v Speaker 2>It is eerie. And I saw that the hairstylist who

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<v Speaker 2>was cutting his hair when he was arrested described his

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<v Speaker 2>face as soulless, and that's actually a really accurate description.

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<v Speaker 2>I may. I know that we're all viewing him and

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<v Speaker 2>looking at him through the lens of what he's accused

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<v Speaker 2>of doing, but it's still there is something eerie, something

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<v Speaker 2>vacant in his face. He doesn't have any expression, And yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's frightening even just to look at someone who's capable

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<v Speaker 2>of what police say he did.

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<v Speaker 1>And yes, they say he did, and they also say

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<v Speaker 1>that he said he did. We did give some updates

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<v Speaker 1>from police among some of the updates to the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that they say he did admit it. We'll tell you

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<v Speaker 1>more about that in a second, but the update at

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<v Speaker 1>least from right now robes he's making his first court

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<v Speaker 1>appearance again. This wasn't the arraignment that's supposed to come

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<v Speaker 1>August twenty fifth, but for now. One of the headlines

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<v Speaker 1>that did come out is that they are not going

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<v Speaker 1>to let him out of jail anytime soon. Bond was denied.

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<v Speaker 2>That makes a lot of sense. He was also assigned

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<v Speaker 2>to public defender. It was unclear whether or not he

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<v Speaker 2>had already acquired an attorney. He had not, so he

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<v Speaker 2>was given a public defender and they'll be getting things

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<v Speaker 2>together next couple of weeks before his arraignment on the

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<v Speaker 2>twenty fifth. So he didn't enter a plea today or

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<v Speaker 2>anything like that. This was just to let him know

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<v Speaker 2>he would not be given bail, which makes a tremendous

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<v Speaker 2>amount of sense, perfect sense.

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<v Speaker 1>But this information we're just getting because we were just

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<v Speaker 1>in court before we started recording here. But we did

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<v Speaker 1>get new information from police at least overnight. We were

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<v Speaker 1>wondering and waiting Robes when we first heard about this crime,

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<v Speaker 1>about some of the details like what was happening on

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<v Speaker 1>this hike and people were around, and why not bothered

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<v Speaker 1>the daughters and how did the daughters get away? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>that was a big part of the story we now know,

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<v Speaker 1>and we all wondered, you were sure like their last moments,

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<v Speaker 1>these parents were probably trying to protect their kids. But

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<v Speaker 1>the details robes are even more gut renting and even

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<v Speaker 1>make you more proud in viewing another parent as you

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<v Speaker 1>can be.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely so. Clinton and Kristen Brink are the two. That's

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<v Speaker 2>the couple, the parents who were murdered, and we now

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<v Speaker 2>also learned that they were stabbed to death. But police

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<v Speaker 2>told us that what happened, you had our suspect, Andrew

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<v Speaker 2>James McGann attacking Clinton the father first. That's when Kristen

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<v Speaker 2>the mom, got the two little girls seven and nine

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<v Speaker 2>years old, to safety. So she rushed them out immediately,

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<v Speaker 2>got them to safety further along on the trail, but

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<v Speaker 2>then she went back to go help her husband Clinton,

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<v Speaker 2>and that is when police say Andrew James McGann then

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<v Speaker 2>stabbed her to death as well. So it's just such

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<v Speaker 2>a heroic thing first for her to get her kids

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<v Speaker 2>off and far away from danger, but then to turn

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<v Speaker 2>around and head back to help her husband. My god,

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<v Speaker 2>that is a love story for her children and a

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<v Speaker 2>love story for her husband.

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<v Speaker 1>As they say sometimes and not making light. But she's

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<v Speaker 1>a good one, Ain't she a good one? Ain't she

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<v Speaker 1>a keeper? To think she? I mean, I wonder just

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<v Speaker 1>think in those moments, she had to make some kind

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<v Speaker 1>of decision to balance are they safe enough? Who needs

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<v Speaker 1>me more? Now? Right? Wow? She had to go back.

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<v Speaker 1>She had to make that call because she could have.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think no one would falter if she kept

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<v Speaker 1>going with the kids and made sure she got away,

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<v Speaker 1>because I'm sure that's probably what the husband would have preferred.

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<v Speaker 2>I think every mom asked herself what she would do,

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<v Speaker 2>and every wife asked herself what she would do, And

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<v Speaker 2>you know, you do have to make a split second decision.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm getting emotional thinking about it because on one hand,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, they actually had another daughter back at home

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<v Speaker 2>by the way, so they had three girls who need

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<v Speaker 2>their parents, And I don't know, I don't know what

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<v Speaker 2>the right call would have been. Of course, I think

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<v Speaker 2>it's interesting you pointed out, as the husband, you wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>want her to come back. You would want her to

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<v Speaker 2>keep running, go, go, and we.

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<v Speaker 1>Can sit here and think about that now. Awfully, in

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<v Speaker 1>the moment, she it was instinct, and I'm sure she

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<v Speaker 1>felt good enough as a mom that the kids were okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe she saw somebody else on the trail, because somebody

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<v Speaker 1>did ended up did end up finding kids on the

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<v Speaker 1>trail and helping them. But just to hear now this

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<v Speaker 1>detail all the scenarios we thought about. I didn't think

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<v Speaker 1>about that one.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and they were about a half mile into the trail,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's a popular trail, but you know how trails

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<v Speaker 2>are there few and far between. You you see people

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<v Speaker 2>maybe every half mile or so. But I started thinking

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<v Speaker 2>there had to have been screaming. How did no one hear?

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<v Speaker 2>Could she not have been screaming for help? I imagine

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<v Speaker 2>like having my girls and running and screaming for help.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, you just don't know what you would do.

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<v Speaker 2>But the kids were close enough to another hiker. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>we were wondering how they found their way back to

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<v Speaker 2>the visitor center, because that seemed surreal and almost impossible

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<v Speaker 2>for two little girls to navigate their way through a

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<v Speaker 2>trail and having to go the opposite way wherever this

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<v Speaker 2>danger was, but another hiker did find the girls and

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<v Speaker 2>then called nine one one immediately and then got them

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<v Speaker 2>to the visitor center. And that series of events certainly

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<v Speaker 2>makes a lot more sense than what we re speculating.

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<v Speaker 1>And if we haven't said here now the girls were

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<v Speaker 1>seven and nine years old, you can't imagine what they're

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<v Speaker 1>going through now and what they saw. They experienced this

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<v Speaker 1>as well, but ended up on harm. That was part

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<v Speaker 1>of the new information. We got some other new details

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<v Speaker 1>from police. So they're saying he has admitted to the

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<v Speaker 1>crime the way they put it initially, and I wonder

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<v Speaker 1>if they were trying to be careful with language here.

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<v Speaker 1>But the the person, the investigator who was in charge,

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<v Speaker 1>made the statement that he indicated that was the word,

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<v Speaker 1>indicated that he had committed the crimes. And then she

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<v Speaker 1>was asked specifically was it a confession, and she said,

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<v Speaker 1>I would call it an admission, So I wonder what

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<v Speaker 1>they're being careful.

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<v Speaker 2>The legal difference is between an admission and a confession.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe a confession you actually usually will sign. They will

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<v Speaker 2>ask you to write it out and then they'll ask

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<v Speaker 2>you to sign a confession. So maybe he didn't do that,

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<v Speaker 2>but verbally acknowledged that he was the one responsible. It's

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<v Speaker 2>hard to know.

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<v Speaker 1>That probably is some kind of legal fine line because

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes confessions get thrown out. Yes, that happens all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>But if he just told it to you without you

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<v Speaker 1>trying to course anyway, maybe that is the difference. What

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<v Speaker 1>they should use that language. I would call it an admission.

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<v Speaker 1>We told you the new details about the attack. Something

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<v Speaker 1>else here. It turns out there were quite a few

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<v Speaker 1>witnesses that sounds like robes that saw this guy at

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<v Speaker 1>some point before and even after, yes, attack.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, a couple reported seeing a man with blood on

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<v Speaker 2>his face, and so that was actually how people then

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<v Speaker 2>were able to see which car he got into, and

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<v Speaker 2>that is how police were able to track him. So, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>all of those eyewitnesses, folks who some of the folks

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<v Speaker 2>who took videos and pictures and unknowingly captured him certainly

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<v Speaker 2>helped find him. There was the couple who was able

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<v Speaker 2>to describe his face to police to give that sketch

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<v Speaker 2>that certainly was spot on, and then others were able

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<v Speaker 2>to And this is when the police were saying they

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<v Speaker 2>were trying to connect the dots and doing all these

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<v Speaker 2>interviews before they made the announcement to local residents that

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<v Speaker 2>there was a double murderer on the loose, but they

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<v Speaker 2>were doing all of these interviews, piecing it together so

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<v Speaker 2>they could follow him and find him. But yes, people,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, that's not something obviously you would forget if

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<v Speaker 2>you saw someone running past you on a hiking trail

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<v Speaker 2>with blood on their face, you know, And it worked.

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<v Speaker 1>Look, I credit to the police on this and to

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<v Speaker 1>the community up there that listened, that paid attention. And

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<v Speaker 1>as soon as they said they put that sketch out,

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<v Speaker 1>they started getting They said they were They used the

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<v Speaker 1>word we were flooded with tips in asking people in

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<v Speaker 1>an area like that where you know, people have been

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<v Speaker 1>taking pictures and got video. Said hey, people, just check

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<v Speaker 1>what you have and they said there was video footage

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<v Speaker 1>that they got that was so key in tracking this

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<v Speaker 1>guy down. So I mean applaud the community and all

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<v Speaker 1>you folks who did what they asked you to do.

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<v Speaker 2>It was that car that led them to him, and

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<v Speaker 2>someone actually got a video of the car and saw

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<v Speaker 2>that the license plate was covered with duct tapes, so

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<v Speaker 2>they knew exactly what they were looking for and they

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<v Speaker 2>were able to track his car to spring Dale, Arkansas,

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<v Speaker 2>and that is exactly how they found him in that

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<v Speaker 2>barber shop. That's remarkable.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, I told you I guess obas So we've

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<v Speaker 1>talked about this a little bit. Everybody knows I'm from Arkansas.

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<v Speaker 1>I went to the university that's in the area up there.

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<v Speaker 1>But we were there not too long ago for my

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<v Speaker 1>niece's birthday in Springdale, and we stayed in Springdale.

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<v Speaker 2>Or Race's wedding, right you said birthday?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yes, it was her celebratory. Yeah, something was going

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<v Speaker 1>on in which we were.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a wedding.

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<v Speaker 1>I had to get her a gift, Okay, but I did.

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<v Speaker 1>I could show you on the map. It's a five

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<v Speaker 1>minute drive that barbershop from where we had that wow

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<v Speaker 1>Mexican casa and I can't remember casa something that we.

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<v Speaker 2>Had a wonderful Mexican lunch with your sister there in

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<v Speaker 2>Springdale on that main road.

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<v Speaker 1>And we always remember you. They wouldn't let us have

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<v Speaker 1>drinks outside. Do you remember that?

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<v Speaker 2>We wanted to sit in the sun so badly and

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<v Speaker 2>we had to. We could only have a margarita inside

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<v Speaker 2>if we sat on the patio. It had to be

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<v Speaker 2>alcohol stree. It was a very memorable lunch.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you remember that? But yes, the what we're talking about,

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<v Speaker 1>and so we people think about don't know northwest Arkansas

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<v Speaker 1>that well, this has been a sprawling area in one

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<v Speaker 1>of the highest or the fastest growing areas in the

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<v Speaker 1>country or the past ten years or so. So this

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<v Speaker 1>is a booming place. This is not out in the

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<v Speaker 1>booni somewhere, but where he was found was dead center

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<v Speaker 1>in the middle of everything. You were there, you saw, oh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>this area, this is a bustling area, and this is adorable.

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<v Speaker 1>And the thing he's just roaming around, walking around, Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not our haircut.

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<v Speaker 2>Hiding in plain sight, and certainly didn't seem concerned.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah he did.

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<v Speaker 2>He did not seem concerned at all that police were

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<v Speaker 2>going to find him, which is so interesting because I

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<v Speaker 2>would think he had seen this sketch artist, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>the sketch rendering of him and the photo of him

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<v Speaker 2>from behind. If I saw that and saw it, dang,

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<v Speaker 2>they did a pretty good job. Looks just like me.

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<v Speaker 2>And his vehicle description was out there as well. So

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<v Speaker 2>that's just interesting that he had zero concern about being caught,

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<v Speaker 2>that he just thought he'd get a haircut.

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<v Speaker 1>And to that point as well. Police did say they

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<v Speaker 1>found things in his apartment that indicated that he had

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<v Speaker 1>been keeping up with what was going on with his crime.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, he was looking at the news reports. And also

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<v Speaker 2>they said they found blood in his car and they

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<v Speaker 2>actually were able to link his blood directly to the

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<v Speaker 2>crime scene, so they've got plenty of evidence that they've

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<v Speaker 2>got the right guy. He also had injuries to his hands,

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<v Speaker 2>some cuts from the attack itself, but.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the most Yes, after the crime, shocking enough

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<v Speaker 1>he was captured. The next shock came in finding out

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<v Speaker 1>he is an elementary school teacher. And now some are

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<v Speaker 1>wondering how were the signs missed? Because the next question is, well,

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<v Speaker 1>there weren't any necessarily signs because he passed background check

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<v Speaker 1>after background check after background check. But parents, especially some

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<v Speaker 1>now in Texas, are arguing these administrators dropped the ball

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<v Speaker 1>with this guy.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome back, everyone to this edition of Amy and TJ,

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<v Speaker 2>where we are talking about Andrew James McCann, the twenty

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<v Speaker 2>eight year old elementary school teacher who is now facing

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<v Speaker 2>double murder charges in the state of Arkansas for killing

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<v Speaker 2>that couple who was hiking with their young daughters, and

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<v Speaker 2>so many people are asking how this guy had been

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<v Speaker 2>able to go from school district to school district and

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<v Speaker 2>no one saw, no one heard, no one recognized any

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<v Speaker 2>sort of warning signs that this something might be off

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<v Speaker 2>with this man. And you know, we've had school district

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<v Speaker 2>after school districts say hey, we did our due diligence,

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<v Speaker 2>we did the background checks. This guy is clean. There's

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<v Speaker 2>no disciplinary actions on his record that would make us

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<v Speaker 2>not want to hire him.

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<v Speaker 1>That's all true. What do you do, hey, if all

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<v Speaker 1>that's true, what are you supposed to do? I really

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<v Speaker 1>do ask that, somewhat rhetorically, but in all honesty, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>how do you read someone say, you know what, just

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<v Speaker 1>don't have a good feeling about this guy, because it

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<v Speaker 1>seems like a lot of people did have that.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that is part of the interview process and

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<v Speaker 2>should be considered one hundred percent if you're going to

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<v Speaker 2>be dealing with our most precious resources or our most

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<v Speaker 2>precious gifts are children. But there were some warning signs.

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<v Speaker 2>Turns out, so he was a teacher in Oklahoma, correct

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<v Speaker 2>sand Spring School District and Broken Aero School District. He

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<v Speaker 2>passed the background checks.

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<v Speaker 1>Those were the two he was at in the two

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<v Speaker 1>prior years before coming to Springdale. So that would mean

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<v Speaker 1>three school districts in three different years.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a red flag.

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<v Speaker 1>That should be a red flag.

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<v Speaker 2>But and by the way, he was about to start

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<v Speaker 2>Springdale School District. I mean, he was weeks away from

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<v Speaker 2>being a teacher to all of those children there in

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<v Speaker 2>the Springdale area, which is so scary. But when you

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<v Speaker 2>go back to twenty twenty two to twenty twenty three,

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<v Speaker 2>that school year he was in the Lewisville School District

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<v Speaker 2>in Texas, And this is where parents are pointing to

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<v Speaker 2>a situation that occurred that should have been why wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>it on his record? And certainly talking to these parents,

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<v Speaker 2>they're confused as well. So he was placed on administrative

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<v Speaker 2>leave and he ultimately resigned. And there is a reason

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<v Speaker 2>that is listed for his resignation slash administrative leave concerns

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<v Speaker 2>related to classroom management, professional judgment, and student favoritism.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, that doesn't sound terrible. He doesn't sound like this

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<v Speaker 1>is a nut. It doesn't sound like experson is a

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<v Speaker 1>threat necessarily. It sounds like they might be bad at

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<v Speaker 1>their job at the beginning, does it not? That doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>sound awful.

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<v Speaker 2>And maybe you're thinking, so he's twenty eight now, so

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<v Speaker 2>three years ago he was twenty five. I mean young.

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<v Speaker 2>I think so you could reasonably think, Okay, he's just

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<v Speaker 2>young and inexperienced, and this isn't necessarily some character flaw,

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<v Speaker 2>but maybe an experience issue or a maturity issue. You

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<v Speaker 2>could see possibly how that would be the I guess

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<v Speaker 2>the conclusion that they could come to.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, but they looked into it. So after some things

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<v Speaker 1>came to their attention, the district there did do an

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<v Speaker 1>investigation and they claim, and I quote, they did not

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<v Speaker 1>find any evidence of inappropriate behavior with a student. However,

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<v Speaker 1>we did find his classroom management and professional judgment to

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<v Speaker 1>be below our district expectations. Ultimately, mister McGahn resigned in

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<v Speaker 1>May of twenty twenty three, and that is the end

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<v Speaker 1>of it. But there are parents there who are saying

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<v Speaker 1>it's not that simple, just he was bad at managing

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<v Speaker 1>a classroom robes, and they are telling some stories of

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<v Speaker 1>behavior that they saw or they suspected or made them uncomfortable,

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<v Speaker 1>and it seems nothing was done about that.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right. So several of these parents have spoken to

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<v Speaker 2>multiple news outlets. There was a parent that spoke to CBS,

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<v Speaker 2>who said that there were signs that not all was

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<v Speaker 2>right with mister McGann. And this woman specifically says that

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<v Speaker 2>she actually her son came to her and said he

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<v Speaker 2>was uncomfortable with how mister McGann treated specifically female students,

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<v Speaker 2>claiming that he gave them extra treats, kept some of

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<v Speaker 2>them in his classroom alone during recess, and she said

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<v Speaker 2>the worst part was when her son came home and

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<v Speaker 2>told her this story that he saw mister McGann tell

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<v Speaker 2>one of the little girls. And again, this is a

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<v Speaker 2>fourth grade class, correct, I think these were fourth graders

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<v Speaker 2>at the time. If you were older, I would love

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<v Speaker 2>to marry you. And so this parent said her son

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<v Speaker 2>heard that and was so upset he came home and

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<v Speaker 2>started crying. So it disturbed her that much, and so

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<v Speaker 2>she ultimately said, you drop your kids off every day,

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<v Speaker 2>and we were literally wrapping our kids off to a monster.

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<v Speaker 2>The fact that he was allowed to continue teaching is

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<v Speaker 2>what blows my mind.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, they read it, they saw something in him, but

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, is it just weird behavior? Is that enough?

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<v Speaker 2>It should be? I think when it comes to a

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<v Speaker 2>teacher and students, yes, if you have a teacher who

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<v Speaker 2>is displaying bizarre, just bizarre tendencies and certainly favorite showing

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<v Speaker 2>favoritism towards your female students when they're that little. That's scary.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So let me ask you this then, And this

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<v Speaker 1>is something that every educator probably out there going. Y'all

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<v Speaker 1>don't even understand a shortage of teachers, a shortage of

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<v Speaker 1>help moving around and trying to get and feel positions

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<v Speaker 1>in time for school. Okay, So this guy as an example,

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<v Speaker 1>what's going on when this guy starting the age twenty five,

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<v Speaker 1>it's pretty young to be in charge of some kids. Fine,

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<v Speaker 1>you can be twenty twenty two, twenty twenty three, Texas

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<v Speaker 1>School District, twenty twenty three, Oklahoma School District twenty twenty four,

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<v Speaker 1>Another Oklahoma school district, twenty twenty five. He was supposed

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<v Speaker 1>to start in Arkansas. That's four straight years, that's four

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<v Speaker 1>different school districts. Something's wrong there. Yes, his record isn't

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<v Speaker 1>following him. He got into trouble at that first school district,

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<v Speaker 1>but the next one, the next one and the next one

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<v Speaker 1>have no idea about that.

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<v Speaker 2>There's nothing on record that anything happened. But why did

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<v Speaker 2>he keep moving? Why did he keep leaving. It could

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<v Speaker 2>have been uncomfortable for whatever reason. We don't know. We

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<v Speaker 2>haven't heard anything yet from those other school districts, but

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<v Speaker 2>certainly from other parents who say, now, I mean, of course,

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<v Speaker 2>it's Monday morning quarterbacking. It's always easy to be able

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<v Speaker 2>to look back and say, ah, I did think something

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<v Speaker 2>was off. It's hard in the moment to recognize if

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<v Speaker 2>someone's just antisocial, or has social development issues, or is

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<v Speaker 2>actually homicidal and a mania.

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<v Speaker 1>You would never go that route, would.

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<v Speaker 2>You wouldn't think it, You wouldn't jump go that far.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, No, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Mean this is other parents were saying. Several parents noticed,

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<v Speaker 2>myself included he was off. He was just very disinterested

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<v Speaker 2>one word answers. One parent described her son being uncomfortable. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>so it's just it's little things here and there, but

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<v Speaker 2>nothing where someone should have said, this guy could go off,

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<v Speaker 2>this guy could snap.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, they are in Texas at least some starting to

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<v Speaker 1>call for something to be done. They think something fell

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<v Speaker 1>through the cracks here and something was missed. Someone on

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<v Speaker 1>the state member of the state Board of Education has

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<v Speaker 1>called for a thorough investigation robe, saying we got to

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<v Speaker 1>make sure at least that we didn't miss something. Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>this is just one of those things where there's no

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<v Speaker 1>way the system can do anything about this. But man,

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<v Speaker 1>if you hire somebody at your school district to take

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<v Speaker 1>care of eight year old children, don't you want to

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<v Speaker 1>know if that person has something on their record, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>that caused them to actually have disciplinary action. You would

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<v Speaker 1>need to know that and know why I would call

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<v Speaker 1>down to the squot hate. So tell me what happened.

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<v Speaker 1>Can I talk to some of those parents? You would

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<v Speaker 1>like to hear that as a thorough vetting, and you

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<v Speaker 1>might make a different decision. I don't know what legally

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<v Speaker 1>they can do, what unions protect, that's.

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<v Speaker 2>A tough one, but I do you know, this could

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<v Speaker 2>be a tiny, tiny silver lining if there are some

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<v Speaker 2>changes implemented, if there are more safety nets put in place.

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<v Speaker 2>You can't always know what someone's thinking and who they

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<v Speaker 2>are in their hearts they're not willing to show you.

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<v Speaker 2>But perhaps if there are a few extra safety measures

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<v Speaker 2>put in place in some of these school districts, that

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<v Speaker 2>could be one small good thing that comes out of

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<v Speaker 2>really senseless, horrific tragedy. That we will continue to follow

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<v Speaker 2>all the latest developments on thank you for listening to

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<v Speaker 2>us on this Friday. I'm Amy Robot alongside my partner

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<v Speaker 2>t J Holmes. Have a great day, everybody,