WEBVTT - Ep. 230: Run't Over

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<v Speaker 1>And leard loading me on the stretcher to put me

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<v Speaker 1>in the back of the amulets. And I looked up

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<v Speaker 1>and the guy attended me. I'd had in federal court before,

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<v Speaker 1>and I remember looking at my boss. I remember grabbing

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<v Speaker 1>him by the shirt and pulling him down, and I said,

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<v Speaker 1>don't leave me.

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<v Speaker 2>On this episode, we'll be peeking behind the veil of

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<v Speaker 2>the same world as we hear a wild story of

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<v Speaker 2>attempted murder, a high speed chase, illegal drugs, and steaming

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<v Speaker 2>hot irony, all on America's public lands. The host of

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<v Speaker 2>our story is an old Bear Grease friend who spent

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<v Speaker 2>his career as a special agent with the United States

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<v Speaker 2>Forest Service. He spent time under cover, and in a

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<v Speaker 2>past life, he was a bricklayer from Southeast Tennessee. His

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<v Speaker 2>name is Russ Arthur. We first heard snippets from his

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<v Speaker 2>career in our Genuine Outlaws series on Bear Grease, which

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<v Speaker 2>started at episode fifty two. In this Russ described his

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<v Speaker 2>memorable covert interactions with Louis Dale Edwards in Polk County,

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<v Speaker 2>Arkansas in the nineteen nineties. But in Russ's real life,

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<v Speaker 2>he's a real turkey hunter and a good one and

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<v Speaker 2>he told two gobbler chasing stories on our Spring twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty four Turkey Story series. You might remember him finding

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<v Speaker 2>his father's journal on the day of his dad's funeral.

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<v Speaker 2>Russ has lived an adventurous, interesting and rich life embedded

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<v Speaker 2>in the hunting community of Appalachia, bringing law and order

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<v Speaker 2>to public lands, but he's also worked all across America

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<v Speaker 2>and in the latter years even into the far reaches

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<v Speaker 2>of Southeast Asia. We'll learn where that passion came from

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<v Speaker 2>on this podcast, and hear the story of attempted murder

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<v Speaker 2>on his life. I really doubt that you're gonna want

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<v Speaker 2>to miss this one. And hey, folks, remember that you

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<v Speaker 1>And I said, why would you be telling me this,

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<v Speaker 1>and a true Appalachian spirit, he just said, you know

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<v Speaker 1>you didn't do anything wrong. It was boys in prison

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<v Speaker 1>are the one that did something wrong. And I can't

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<v Speaker 1>convince some of these members of the community that you've

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<v Speaker 1>done nothing wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>My name is Klay Nukem and this is the Bear

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<v Speaker 2>Grease Podcast where we'll explore things forgotten but relevant search

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<v Speaker 2>for insight and unlikely places and where we'll tell the

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<v Speaker 2>story of Americans who live their lives close to the land,

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<v Speaker 2>presented by FHF gear, American made purpose built hunting and

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<v Speaker 1>I'll never forget it. I was on the passioner's side

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<v Speaker 1>front and it was in a sedan. The agents Drew

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<v Speaker 1>drove Crown Vicks then and they laid the seat back

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<v Speaker 1>and the agent from Georgia got in the back and

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<v Speaker 1>it tore his shirt off.

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<v Speaker 3>It's down to his T shirt and would wrap my head.

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<v Speaker 1>My head was bleeding, and it's funny how your mind

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<v Speaker 1>will drift. And I reached up and I felt this

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<v Speaker 1>real warmth in my ear. This may sound a little crude,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's funny how your mind works. I'm coming and going.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if I'm gonna pass out or not,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'll never forget my thoughts were if I'm bleeding

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<v Speaker 1>out my ear. This is not good. I've seen Daddy

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<v Speaker 1>put down too many dogs, and you know, Son, this

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<v Speaker 1>dog has been hit by car, is bleeding out the here.

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<v Speaker 1>We gotta put it down.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean you know, you grow up in the

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<v Speaker 3>South and a round dogs.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, bleeding out the ear is a bad sign.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I don't mean to make light of that,

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<v Speaker 1>but that's what was going through my mind at that time.

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<v Speaker 2>How fast do you think the truck was going when

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<v Speaker 2>it hit you?

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<v Speaker 1>It probably wasn't going, but I'm gonna say when it

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<v Speaker 1>excel because it slowed down like it's gonna stop, and

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<v Speaker 1>it just immediately turned and gassed it.

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<v Speaker 3>And I can remember hearing the gravels. I can remember seeing, you.

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<v Speaker 1>Know, and it just that that front end and that

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<v Speaker 1>front tire just clipped me and flip me and it

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<v Speaker 1>and it raced off.

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<v Speaker 2>After that truck hit Russ, it would bust through a

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<v Speaker 2>roadblock and lead officers on a high speed chase through

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<v Speaker 2>the smoky mountains of North Carolina, leading into a three

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<v Speaker 2>day man hunt. What twists and turns in a man's

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<v Speaker 2>life would lead him into a scenario like this. I

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<v Speaker 2>think we need to go back to the very beginning.

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<v Speaker 3>My name is Russ Arthur.

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<v Speaker 1>I was born in nineteen fifty nine in Southeast Tennessee.

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<v Speaker 1>My parents raised me and two sisters in the Hickson

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<v Speaker 1>Red Bank area of Tennessee and graduated high school in

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<v Speaker 1>seventy seven. I did a lot of construction work during

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<v Speaker 1>high school and during my few years in college did

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<v Speaker 1>brick block work and always was a passionate turkey hunter.

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<v Speaker 1>My dad was always a passionate turkey hunter. He was

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<v Speaker 1>turkey hunting when turkey hunting wasn't cool, and he would

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<v Speaker 1>always go to the mountains and turkey hunt. And when

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<v Speaker 1>I got about ten eleven years old, he started taking

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<v Speaker 1>me and he always camped in an area up there

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<v Speaker 1>close to where our ancestors were born, which is now

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<v Speaker 1>National Forest. And there's Arthur Cemetery right there next to

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<v Speaker 1>that campground where goes back to five generations of Arthur's

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<v Speaker 1>that's buried there.

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<v Speaker 2>This camp would be the philosophical cradle of Russ's life's work.

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<v Speaker 2>He was enamored with the men that hunted there, their conversations,

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<v Speaker 2>and like the bedrock forming at the bottom of an

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<v Speaker 2>ancient ocean, he developed a foundational appreciation for the land.

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<v Speaker 2>But I want to go even deeper into Russ's foundations.

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<v Speaker 1>My dad was very well respected in the community. He

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<v Speaker 1>respected the law enforcement. He was a philosopher son, always

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<v Speaker 1>do the right thing when nobody's looking. He was all

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<v Speaker 1>about honor, all about integrity. He was a man of

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<v Speaker 1>many talents. He was a beekeeper, he was a housman

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<v Speaker 1>at one time with beagles, and rabbit hunting was his thing.

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<v Speaker 3>He loved the art of shooting.

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<v Speaker 1>And he was a very good father to our family.

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<v Speaker 1>Anybody who was around he would grain their respect. But

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<v Speaker 1>he was a true woodsman. He knew everything there was

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<v Speaker 1>to know about the mountains, not only their history, but

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<v Speaker 1>he knew every plant species.

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<v Speaker 3>He really took.

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<v Speaker 1>In everything in those mountains, and he was a self

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<v Speaker 1>taught naturalist.

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<v Speaker 2>At Russ's core, I think you can perceive a genuine

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<v Speaker 2>and deep appreciation for wild places, stretching a net of

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<v Speaker 2>knowledge that supersedes a veneer of simply knowing about and

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<v Speaker 2>hunting on some land. His appreciation is informed by a

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<v Speaker 2>complex sequence of data points.

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<v Speaker 3>It was real.

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<v Speaker 2>As this story unfolds, you'll see the extent to which

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<v Speaker 2>Russ will go to do his job with the Forest Service,

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<v Speaker 2>and at the heart of it, going back to his father,

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<v Speaker 2>is a sacred respect wild places.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was just infactuated by by their skills, by

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<v Speaker 1>their turkey call making skills, by the types of tactics

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<v Speaker 1>they used, and uh just love the mountains.

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<v Speaker 3>And I always uh would interact.

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<v Speaker 1>With the forest Service as they came through, really admired them,

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<v Speaker 1>really respected them, and I would always ask them, how

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<v Speaker 1>did I get a job with you?

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<v Speaker 3>How did I get a job with you? Even as

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<v Speaker 3>a little kid, And they would just always talk to

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<v Speaker 3>me and be cordial.

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<v Speaker 1>And when I got on up in high school, one

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<v Speaker 1>of them told me, said.

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<v Speaker 3>You need to get in college.

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<v Speaker 2>Son.

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<v Speaker 1>My dad wasn't very high on this, but when I

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<v Speaker 1>told him I wanted to get a degree in forestry,

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<v Speaker 1>he he said, son, if I not told you and

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<v Speaker 1>talk to you enough about trees, so uh, but I'll

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<v Speaker 1>never forget that. I said, well, day, it's a little

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<v Speaker 1>more than that. It's a it's a I think it

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<v Speaker 1>would be a good profession. I just knew I wanted.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to ride around those green trucks, and I

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to be part of managing that land that I cared.

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<v Speaker 3>So much about.

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<v Speaker 2>The things that catch our eyes children, and the decisions

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<v Speaker 2>we make early in life are critical, often determined the

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<v Speaker 2>out comes far beyond the site of the time. When

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<v Speaker 2>I meet people that I respect, I find their formative

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<v Speaker 2>influences interesting and Russ would never turn his gaze from

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<v Speaker 2>these early directions that he was looking. But I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think that it played out the way that he would

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<v Speaker 2>have predicted. Russ would end up graduating from the University

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<v Speaker 2>of Tennessee with a forestry degree in the spring of

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen eighty two, and his first job was a volunteer

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<v Speaker 2>position as an intern for the Forest Service, where he

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<v Speaker 2>lived in a camper without electricity. Then they offered him

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<v Speaker 2>some seasonal work.

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<v Speaker 3>For the next two or three years.

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<v Speaker 1>Mark Timber with firefighter held the dumb end of an

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<v Speaker 1>engineer tape on laying out, you know, logging roads, just

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<v Speaker 1>anything that they had at the lowest grade level. I

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<v Speaker 1>took it all the time, not knowing which direction my

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<v Speaker 1>career was going to go. I just enjoyed the diversity

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<v Speaker 1>of the work. I enjoyed the people, I enjoyed the environment.

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<v Speaker 1>It was just a I was articled to death.

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<v Speaker 2>Then one day Russ literally got a knock on the

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<v Speaker 2>door from two Forest Service agents from North Carolina.

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<v Speaker 1>They said, look, we've got a job opening coming into

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<v Speaker 1>North Carolina. We want you to apply. And I said, well, guys,

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<v Speaker 1>what is it? And they said it's a full time

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<v Speaker 1>law enforcement officer job, and for service is just now

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<v Speaker 1>getting into these positions. Most of the positions are you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you'll do ten percent law and ten percent fire and

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<v Speaker 1>twenty percent recreation, and you know, thirty percent temper marking.

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<v Speaker 1>But this one's full time law enforcement, and we think

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<v Speaker 1>you'd be a good fit.

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<v Speaker 2>Prior to this, the Forest Service hadn't heavily dealt in

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<v Speaker 2>law enforcement, but the need was now rising from full

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<v Speaker 2>time officers. He applied for the job and got it.

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<v Speaker 1>I've always wondered who I beat out for that job,

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<v Speaker 1>because man, I didn't have that much experience, And.

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<v Speaker 3>They finally told me I was the only applicant.

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<v Speaker 1>That made you feel good, That made me feel real good.

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<v Speaker 2>Sometimes just showing up is all that it takes. And

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<v Speaker 2>to go back to the guys that told him to apply.

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<v Speaker 2>Sometimes we aren't able to see the potential in ourselves

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<v Speaker 2>and it takes someone else to spot it. That's why

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<v Speaker 2>it's critical to surround yourself with selfless, honest people. In

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<v Speaker 2>July nineteen eighty five, Russ would relocate to the mountains

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<v Speaker 2>of rural western North Carolina, but he had no way

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<v Speaker 2>to predict the direction of his career would go.

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<v Speaker 3>That duty station in North Carolina. It was pretty remote area.

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<v Speaker 3>It is in Robbinsville.

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<v Speaker 1>I think at the time Robinsville was seventy or something

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<v Speaker 1>percent US for service and the rest of it was private.

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<v Speaker 1>So there there was a lot of animosity there against

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<v Speaker 1>the Forest Service, and that goes back to some of

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<v Speaker 1>the things that TVA did with Fontana in the flooding

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<v Speaker 1>of homes and things. But they just weren't a good

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<v Speaker 1>fan of the government back in the eighties.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the perfect entry point to understanding the full

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<v Speaker 2>story and all its twists and turns of Russ with

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<v Speaker 2>the bleeding ear in the crown vic you're gonna want

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<v Speaker 2>to pay attention and don't get too comfortable. Here's the

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<v Speaker 2>whole story.

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<v Speaker 1>Back in nineteen eighty six, while working in Robinsville, North Carolina,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, again with a Forest Service law enforcement my

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<v Speaker 1>first position. There was an unusual group came to the

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<v Speaker 1>National Forest and Robinsville was a very quiet, very calm,

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<v Speaker 1>very southern type small town. You know, one red light,

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<v Speaker 1>two places to eat, one small hotel, just good, easy living,

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<v Speaker 1>very proud. People loved their community, loved their National Forest.

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<v Speaker 1>Most everybody there had some type of a tide of

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<v Speaker 1>the National Forest, whether it was hunting or working in

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<v Speaker 1>the logging business. And one day we got notified for

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<v Speaker 1>service did that there was a group going to set

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<v Speaker 1>up a camp in a place called Maple Springs, which

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<v Speaker 1>was one of the most remote areas you could drive

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<v Speaker 1>to in that county, and there was going to be

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<v Speaker 1>a national gathering there called the Rainbow Living of Light,

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<v Speaker 1>and said there's going to be about ten thousand people

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<v Speaker 1>come in here.

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<v Speaker 3>This community.

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<v Speaker 2>This group had become well known in the nineteen seventies,

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<v Speaker 2>traveling across the country gathering in the name of world peace. However,

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<v Speaker 2>every place they went to they'd set up in national forest,

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<v Speaker 2>intending to protest the government through their right to gather

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<v Speaker 2>without a permit. However, the Forest Service required gatherings of

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<v Speaker 2>over seventy five people to have a permit, and thousands

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<v Speaker 2>were coming, so there was some head button with the

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<v Speaker 2>Forest Service. However, it wouldn't be the Rainbow people that

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to kill Russ Arthur.

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<v Speaker 1>It was kind of like a freak show, if you will.

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<v Speaker 1>For the locals. They hear about it, they don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to drive.

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<v Speaker 3>Up and see it.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, one Friday night, we for Service along with the state,

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<v Speaker 1>set up a roadblock just to check for DUI DOI

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<v Speaker 1>checkpoint and one of the curves that went up and

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<v Speaker 1>down there because we were now allowing vehicles to drive

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<v Speaker 1>up and down, but they couldn't take equipment in and

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<v Speaker 1>out now, So we've got a roadblock going on, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'll digress a little bit. The fall before that, I

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<v Speaker 1>had a run in with a young man up there

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<v Speaker 1>that suspected of hunting berry legal.

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<v Speaker 3>And when I got up.

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<v Speaker 1>With him in a remote area up there, he had

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<v Speaker 1>a rifle, but it wasn't a large caliber and he

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<v Speaker 1>claimed he was only squirrel hunting, so I cited him.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it was a forty or fifty dollars collateral

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<v Speaker 1>citation for hunting squirrels out of season on Wildlife Managinary,

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<v Speaker 1>And that type of collateral ticket was the lowest level

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<v Speaker 1>of enforcement action that you can take other than a warning,

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<v Speaker 1>and he can mail it in if it's paid on time,

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<v Speaker 1>it don't even go on your record, so it wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>a big deal to me. Well, time passes were back

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<v Speaker 1>to the national gathering and we're at a road check

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<v Speaker 1>and it's starting to get a little bit dark. And

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<v Speaker 1>this truck comes down down the road and it was

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<v Speaker 1>I'll never forget it was a seventy seven forward one

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<v Speaker 1>because I've got a seventy eight still got it. It's

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<v Speaker 1>trucks coming down the hill. And I recognized the truck

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<v Speaker 1>of being tied to that family of that boy. I

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<v Speaker 1>wrote the ticket to you live in a small community,

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<v Speaker 1>you get to know everybody's vehicle, what they drive.

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<v Speaker 3>And I was what called the point.

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<v Speaker 1>Person, and I turned my flashlight on and stepped out,

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<v Speaker 1>held my hand up to stop the vehicle, and it

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<v Speaker 1>immediately accelerated and turned toward me and ran over me,

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<v Speaker 1>and it caught right side of my leg, flipped me

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<v Speaker 1>over in the ditch, head hit the hit the gravel road,

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<v Speaker 1>and I just I went out for a few few seconds.

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<v Speaker 3>The vehicle's gone.

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<v Speaker 1>The next thing I know, the agent out of Ashville

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<v Speaker 1>and when the agents out of Georgia that was there

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<v Speaker 1>loaded me up in the back their vehicle was taking

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<v Speaker 1>me trying to get me to the hospital. Of course, immediately,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, we had five or six marked units at

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<v Speaker 1>that roadblock, and I can remember in that ditch, laying

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<v Speaker 1>there just seeing them go by, blue lights blazing where

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<v Speaker 1>this happened was probably running wide open more than an

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<v Speaker 1>hour of the closest hospital, and it's back for the

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<v Speaker 1>days of medevac. And I remember the agent getting on

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<v Speaker 1>the radio any radioing to the amulets meet me. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to be headed to town where the hospital wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>in the town.

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<v Speaker 3>The hospital was in Bryson City.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, if you know anything about Western Carolina, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's you know, that's a pretty long way from Robbinsville.

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<v Speaker 1>But they did have ammelet service in Robinsville. So he's

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<v Speaker 1>communicating with the ambulets. I'm coming up one twenty nine.

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<v Speaker 1>They almost met each other, and it was almost erected

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<v Speaker 1>meeting each other. And I'm still just in it, just

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<v Speaker 1>can't figure out what's going on. And they're loading me

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<v Speaker 1>on this stretcher to put me in the back of

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<v Speaker 1>the amulets. Only this can happen in a small town now.

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<v Speaker 1>And I looked up and the guy tended me. I'd

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<v Speaker 1>had in federal court before, and I remember looking at

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<v Speaker 1>my boss and I did go out after this is

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<v Speaker 1>I remember grabbing him by the shirt and pulling him

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<v Speaker 1>down and I said, don't leave me. So next thing

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<v Speaker 1>I know, I wake up and I'm in the hospital

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<v Speaker 1>and praise God, I'm good. I had had concussions, I

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<v Speaker 1>had stitches in my knees, I had stitches and half

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<v Speaker 1>to hide off my back of my head, and they

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<v Speaker 1>had to wait awhile for they could give me the

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<v Speaker 1>pain medication cause of the concussions or whatever that process was.

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<v Speaker 1>But when they finally I was able to sleep for

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<v Speaker 1>eight or ten hours. I know what the feeling is

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<v Speaker 1>of bet right over by truck, and I just couldn't hardly.

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<v Speaker 3>Move all over.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the main thing keeping Russ's injuries from being

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<v Speaker 2>much worse was simple. He was six foot two in

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<v Speaker 2>the neighborhood of two hundred and forty pounds in his

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<v Speaker 2>late twenties. He was tough, but he was bleeding out

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<v Speaker 2>his ear, and that's never good. But an even more

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<v Speaker 2>interesting question is what madness would cause someone to think

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<v Speaker 2>that they could get away with this or even want

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<v Speaker 2>to do it. But then the situation escalated even more.

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<v Speaker 1>They came and took statements from me. The State Borough

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<v Speaker 1>Investigation got involved, and that's when I learned that there

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<v Speaker 1>was still.

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<v Speaker 3>A man hunt. There are three people in that truck,

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<v Speaker 3>and if you know anything about that area.

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<v Speaker 1>Highway one twenty nine goes from Maryville all the way

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<v Speaker 1>up through the mountain around by the Smokies, comes around

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<v Speaker 1>the bottom of Fontana Dam and people call it the

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<v Speaker 1>Dragon's Tail. It's a very windy road, but that's where

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<v Speaker 1>they were fleeing to.

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<v Speaker 3>And it was ironic.

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<v Speaker 1>My old boss, the one that first men towards me

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<v Speaker 1>into getting into law enforcement, was the one right behind them.

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<v Speaker 3>And if you knew less, you'd know that they're probably

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<v Speaker 3>not going to get away from him. And I learned

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<v Speaker 3>all this, of course after the fact.

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<v Speaker 1>The truck went around so many of those curves, it

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't hold a curve like a crown vick. Literally he

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<v Speaker 1>was pushing them all accounts that I heard later. So

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<v Speaker 1>these guys knew what they were doing. All three of

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<v Speaker 1>them were locals from that area, very avid.

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<v Speaker 3>Hunters, and it all of.

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<v Speaker 1>A sudden ditched and they all three jumped out and

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<v Speaker 1>ran into the smokies.

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<v Speaker 3>He was able to catch one. It was a juvenile.

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<v Speaker 3>It was just a passenger. So you've got one call

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<v Speaker 3>that's a juvenile that you can't prosecute. And there was

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<v Speaker 3>a huge man hunt.

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<v Speaker 1>Stay of Tennessee got involved because This was closest Tennessee

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<v Speaker 1>state line. State of North Carolina got involved with their

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<v Speaker 1>highway patrols and they set up roadblocks trying to catch

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<v Speaker 1>these guys. So three days hadn't caught them. And let

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<v Speaker 1>me get this straight. It was one of the guys

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<v Speaker 1>who was still in there. Dad came to the authorities

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<v Speaker 1>and said, need to talk.

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<v Speaker 3>I know where they're at.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll get them to come out on their own, if

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<v Speaker 1>you'll get rid of everybody.

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<v Speaker 3>They've got a spot.

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<v Speaker 1>Over there to the illegal hunt camp in the smokies

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<v Speaker 1>that they're holed up in, and only I know where

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<v Speaker 1>it's at. Y'all back out of here. I don't want

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<v Speaker 1>them shot, I don't want them hurt. I'll go get

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<v Speaker 1>them within two days, they'll they'll turn himself in. And

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<v Speaker 1>evidently this man did a good job of convincing the

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<v Speaker 1>authorities that that that would happen, and he held true

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<v Speaker 1>to his word and they brought the guys out, and

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<v Speaker 1>one of.

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<v Speaker 3>Them was the guy that I had written the squirrel

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<v Speaker 3>hunting ticket with m M.

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<v Speaker 2>The squirrel hunter. Why did he do this? They were

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<v Speaker 2>about to find out why in federal court.

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<v Speaker 1>Him and his brother were prosecuted and he got three years.

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<v Speaker 1>He was not the driver, he was the passenger. His

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<v Speaker 1>brother was the driver, and he got three years in

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<v Speaker 1>federal prison.

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<v Speaker 2>And the brother that was the driver or the past the.

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<v Speaker 3>Paler hunter, the squirrel hunter.

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<v Speaker 2>The squirrel hunter got three years.

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<v Speaker 3>He got three years in federal prison.

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<v Speaker 1>We were able to find a person in that encampment

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<v Speaker 1>that actually came to the courts and testified.

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<v Speaker 3>They were on their way up.

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<v Speaker 1>They stopped that truck as that truck was coming down

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<v Speaker 1>to the roadblock, and they told the driver, you all need.

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<v Speaker 3>To be careful.

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<v Speaker 1>The Forest Service has a roadblock set up down there,

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<v Speaker 1>and I don't want anybody get in trouble. The passenger,

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<v Speaker 1>which was the scraw hunter, leaned over the driver and

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<v Speaker 1>looked at the guy and said, do you know Russ

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<v Speaker 1>Arthur And this guy said yeah, said.

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<v Speaker 3>Is he down there?

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<v Speaker 1>And they said he said yeah, And he then got back,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, leaned back in and got in the middle

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<v Speaker 1>of the seat and told his brother said come on,

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<v Speaker 1>it's time for him to die.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>This came out in federal courts.

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<v Speaker 3>This came out in the testimony.

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<v Speaker 1>So both found guilty, they go to prison, and well

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<v Speaker 1>that was a very tough time in my life and

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<v Speaker 1>my career. I mean, it really was, because he just

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<v Speaker 1>didn't know what would happen next. And about six months

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<v Speaker 1>after that, one of the members that family called me

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<v Speaker 1>at one o'clock in the morning, and these guys are

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<v Speaker 1>both in prison. He said, need to talk to you.

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<v Speaker 1>And I knew this guy and I called him my name.

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<v Speaker 1>I said, man, it's one o'clock in the morning. I said,

0:24:07.640 --> 0:24:11.000
<v Speaker 1>are you drunk and he said no. He said, but

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<v Speaker 1>there's some talk down here in this community that you

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<v Speaker 1>need to know about. I said, okay, and I'm thinking

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<v Speaker 1>this a setup. And I said, well listen, I'll talk

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<v Speaker 1>to you, but it's gonna be where I want to

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<v Speaker 1>meet you. And I told him to meet me in

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<v Speaker 1>the parking lot of the Forest Service. Well, I called

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<v Speaker 1>my boss, who was a district ranger then and assistant

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<v Speaker 1>ranger and let them both know what was going on.

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<v Speaker 3>And they didn't like it. They were not law enforcement.

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<v Speaker 1>They were very, very supportive of everything, and I mean

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<v Speaker 1>two of the best guys you've ever ever known, and

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<v Speaker 1>they they had my back anytime. He said, well, just

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<v Speaker 1>be careful and let us know when you clear from there.

0:24:52.160 --> 0:24:54.200
<v Speaker 3>And again this is back before cell phones.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, so I got there fifteen minutes before

0:24:57.840 --> 0:25:00.080
<v Speaker 1>I told him i'd be there, part my truck a

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<v Speaker 1>different place where I told him my park and walked

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<v Speaker 1>around and did surveillance of that area before he pulled in.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>So he pulls in, gets out, we have a conversation

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<v Speaker 1>and it was he was sober. He just said, there's

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of guys down there that's talking about, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>does some harm to you. I just want to warn

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<v Speaker 1>you you need to be careful if you get any

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<v Speaker 1>calls at night. And I said, why would you be

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<v Speaker 1>telling me this, and true Appalachian spirit, he just said,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you didn't do anything wrong.

0:25:30.720 --> 0:25:33.080
<v Speaker 3>These boys in prison are the ones that did something wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>And I can't convince some of these members of the

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<v Speaker 1>community that you've done nothing wrong. So a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>respect up for that gentleman. And we talked for about

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<v Speaker 1>an hour there. Then he went on his way, and

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<v Speaker 1>when he got in the truck and left, my two

0:25:51.200 --> 0:25:54.960
<v Speaker 1>supervisors I heard a rustle in the bushes came out

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<v Speaker 1>and they each had their personal shotguns.

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<v Speaker 3>Said just want to let you know we had you back.

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<v Speaker 2>You didn't know they were there.

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<v Speaker 3>No, Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>No, So those guys weren't the bosses at that time,

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<v Speaker 2>weren't lawn.

0:26:08.560 --> 0:26:11.520
<v Speaker 1>Form No, they were just they were They were professional

0:26:11.520 --> 0:26:13.600
<v Speaker 1>foresters and running running the district.

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<v Speaker 3>They just wanted to make sure that Wow, that I

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<v Speaker 3>was covered. They would lose their job today.

0:26:22.440 --> 0:26:25.959
<v Speaker 2>There's an old saying about true friendship, stating there's no

0:26:26.160 --> 0:26:29.560
<v Speaker 2>greater love than someone who's willing to lay their life

0:26:29.560 --> 0:26:32.800
<v Speaker 2>down for a friend. These guys didn't have to do that,

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<v Speaker 2>but it sure seems like they were willing to defend

0:26:36.080 --> 0:26:43.359
<v Speaker 2>Russ at all costs. Time passes, things settled down, and

0:26:43.440 --> 0:26:47.760
<v Speaker 2>Russ's career moves on. He's actually relocated to another state,

0:26:47.920 --> 0:26:51.240
<v Speaker 2>back to Tennessee. But then one day he gets a

0:26:51.280 --> 0:26:54.399
<v Speaker 2>call from his old boss. And one more thing we

0:26:54.480 --> 0:26:58.560
<v Speaker 2>haven't mentioned about Forest Service law enforcement in the eighties, nineties,

0:26:58.600 --> 0:27:01.960
<v Speaker 2>two thousands, and even today was all the drug work

0:27:02.040 --> 0:27:07.160
<v Speaker 2>that they did with marijuana being illegally grown on the forest.

0:27:08.560 --> 0:27:09.440
<v Speaker 3>The guy was just mean.

0:27:10.160 --> 0:27:12.320
<v Speaker 1>So he goes on to prison and him and his

0:27:12.359 --> 0:27:16.080
<v Speaker 1>brother both Then I fast forward and I moved to Tennessee,

0:27:16.840 --> 0:27:19.880
<v Speaker 1>and you know, I'm sitting in Tennessee and I get

0:27:19.920 --> 0:27:22.880
<v Speaker 1>a call from the authorities over there that said they

0:27:22.920 --> 0:27:25.200
<v Speaker 1>need my help. They had not yet hired a new

0:27:25.240 --> 0:27:28.560
<v Speaker 1>officer to fill my place in Robbinsville. Can I come

0:27:28.600 --> 0:27:32.560
<v Speaker 1>over and help them with this huge marijuana operation? You know,

0:27:32.640 --> 0:27:34.480
<v Speaker 1>you know the area and you know the players.

0:27:34.880 --> 0:27:38.720
<v Speaker 3>Can you do this? I said, yeah, that'd be me fun.

0:27:39.720 --> 0:27:42.560
<v Speaker 1>So me and the agent from Carolina went over there

0:27:42.560 --> 0:27:43.720
<v Speaker 1>and we did a recon of.

0:27:43.720 --> 0:27:47.520
<v Speaker 3>The area and we found a huge operation in a clear.

0:27:47.320 --> 0:27:49.280
<v Speaker 2>Cut huge How did you find it?

0:27:49.640 --> 0:27:54.280
<v Speaker 1>One of our timber markers checking some timber inventory had

0:27:54.520 --> 0:27:58.760
<v Speaker 1>had found it and it was in a pretty remote area.

0:27:59.440 --> 0:28:02.600
<v Speaker 1>So we laid a plan to surveil it, and he said,

0:28:02.680 --> 0:28:05.040
<v Speaker 1>you know what we'll do. We can do this with

0:28:05.119 --> 0:28:09.120
<v Speaker 1>four people. He said, if you can get another officer,

0:28:09.520 --> 0:28:11.800
<v Speaker 1>we'll drop you off and off. We found ad vantage

0:28:11.800 --> 0:28:14.240
<v Speaker 1>point where I could watch the side of that hill

0:28:14.640 --> 0:28:17.719
<v Speaker 1>with binoculars and a camera of the zoom lens. You

0:28:17.800 --> 0:28:20.760
<v Speaker 1>take notes as they come in. They've got a park

0:28:20.760 --> 0:28:24.800
<v Speaker 1>a vehicle somewhere, and we're just going to completely clear

0:28:24.840 --> 0:28:28.959
<v Speaker 1>the area. Then once they're in there, we'll send an

0:28:29.040 --> 0:28:31.719
<v Speaker 1>under cover truck in there to try to find their vehicle,

0:28:31.760 --> 0:28:34.480
<v Speaker 1>and we'll arrest them at their vehicle that way, there's

0:28:34.520 --> 0:28:37.760
<v Speaker 1>not a confrontation in a chase in the woods if we.

0:28:37.840 --> 0:28:40.680
<v Speaker 2>Wait till they all go in there and then catch

0:28:40.720 --> 0:28:41.600
<v Speaker 2>them on the way.

0:28:41.400 --> 0:28:42.280
<v Speaker 3>Out, exactly.

0:28:42.480 --> 0:28:45.480
<v Speaker 2>And you just figured you could find the vehicles a

0:28:45.480 --> 0:28:46.960
<v Speaker 2>lot of roads around or something.

0:28:47.120 --> 0:28:49.120
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, not that many roads. Yeah.

0:28:49.160 --> 0:28:52.440
<v Speaker 1>So me and another officer were sitting there watching and

0:28:53.000 --> 0:28:56.240
<v Speaker 1>three guys come in. I'm looking at them through binoclars

0:28:56.240 --> 0:28:58.160
<v Speaker 1>and I'm watching them and they're picking up plants and

0:28:58.160 --> 0:28:58.840
<v Speaker 1>they're putting it.

0:28:58.840 --> 0:29:00.800
<v Speaker 3>It's like they went to work. You know.

0:29:01.200 --> 0:29:04.880
<v Speaker 1>They had a huge potting area that they had the

0:29:04.880 --> 0:29:08.040
<v Speaker 1>plants and pots, and the plants were eight to ten inches.

0:29:07.800 --> 0:29:08.920
<v Speaker 3>Tall or taller.

0:29:09.040 --> 0:29:11.200
<v Speaker 1>And they would take a plant they had already had

0:29:11.440 --> 0:29:13.480
<v Speaker 1>pre dug holes and they'd put it in there and

0:29:13.480 --> 0:29:15.280
<v Speaker 1>they'd water and they'd go get another on that right,

0:29:15.520 --> 0:29:17.959
<v Speaker 1>and they had I think it's fifteen hundred plants they

0:29:17.960 --> 0:29:20.520
<v Speaker 1>were going to do this way. And I'm watching these

0:29:20.560 --> 0:29:24.160
<v Speaker 1>guys and I don't recognize any of them, and I

0:29:24.240 --> 0:29:27.360
<v Speaker 1>radiod my boss. I said, he said, we found the vehicle,

0:29:27.720 --> 0:29:30.480
<v Speaker 1>and we're going to set a surveillance on their vehicle.

0:29:30.520 --> 0:29:32.640
<v Speaker 1>So when they're leaving, you tell us when they're leaving

0:29:32.680 --> 0:29:35.000
<v Speaker 1>and we'll rest them as soon as they get in

0:29:35.040 --> 0:29:35.560
<v Speaker 1>the vehicle.

0:29:35.840 --> 0:29:36.040
<v Speaker 3>You know.

0:29:37.000 --> 0:29:41.239
<v Speaker 1>So those three have worked about an hour now, and

0:29:41.320 --> 0:29:42.239
<v Speaker 1>three more show up.

0:29:42.960 --> 0:29:43.960
<v Speaker 3>So now we got six.

0:29:44.680 --> 0:29:47.400
<v Speaker 1>Well, I started logging in and we started naming them all.

0:29:47.720 --> 0:29:50.280
<v Speaker 3>You know, number one wearing.

0:29:49.960 --> 0:29:53.160
<v Speaker 1>This type of ball hat, this shirt, these pants, and

0:29:53.400 --> 0:29:56.280
<v Speaker 1>so I gave a good description. Boss, he's writing that

0:29:56.320 --> 0:29:59.960
<v Speaker 1>same description down, so when I'm talking, we can chronologe

0:30:00.440 --> 0:30:00.920
<v Speaker 1>keep up with.

0:30:01.040 --> 0:30:02.720
<v Speaker 3>Okay, number one is going to get water.

0:30:03.240 --> 0:30:06.920
<v Speaker 1>Number seven or number six is now putting fertilizer.

0:30:07.320 --> 0:30:07.680
<v Speaker 3>Number you know.

0:30:07.920 --> 0:30:10.800
<v Speaker 1>So we confirmed what the descriptions of and had them

0:30:10.840 --> 0:30:15.640
<v Speaker 1>all one through six, and I still was so frustrated

0:30:15.680 --> 0:30:20.240
<v Speaker 1>because I didn't know any of them. So they'd been

0:30:20.280 --> 0:30:23.560
<v Speaker 1>working in there about four hours, been there some of

0:30:23.640 --> 0:30:26.440
<v Speaker 1>them since I Right at daylight and I look up

0:30:26.480 --> 0:30:29.240
<v Speaker 1>and here comes another one and I put the binoclars

0:30:29.320 --> 0:30:32.560
<v Speaker 1>up and it was the old boy that ran over me.

0:30:34.680 --> 0:30:38.680
<v Speaker 1>And I thought, I cannot believe two things. Number one,

0:30:38.720 --> 0:30:39.480
<v Speaker 1>he's out of prison.

0:30:40.240 --> 0:30:41.440
<v Speaker 2>You didn't know he was out of prison.

0:30:41.600 --> 0:30:44.080
<v Speaker 3>Well I knew, I hadn't even really thought about it.

0:30:44.160 --> 0:30:47.200
<v Speaker 1>But you know, how long is this after about three

0:30:47.280 --> 0:30:51.400
<v Speaker 1>years and always as recognizable, I mean boom, there he

0:30:51.520 --> 0:30:55.400
<v Speaker 1>is well. In the meantime, the agent out of the

0:30:55.480 --> 0:30:58.120
<v Speaker 1>road had to call in for other help because now

0:30:58.160 --> 0:31:00.720
<v Speaker 1>not only did we have one vehicle to do surveillance

0:31:00.760 --> 0:31:01.600
<v Speaker 1>I want to take down.

0:31:02.040 --> 0:31:02.720
<v Speaker 3>We had two.

0:31:02.720 --> 0:31:05.680
<v Speaker 1>Vehicles and we just had a third, and they all

0:31:05.720 --> 0:31:09.000
<v Speaker 1>parked about a half a mile from each other. So

0:31:09.680 --> 0:31:13.440
<v Speaker 1>they set teams, got teams, got other law enforcement personnel

0:31:13.800 --> 0:31:16.360
<v Speaker 1>around where we could take them down at the vehicle.

0:31:16.880 --> 0:31:18.280
<v Speaker 3>They finished their work.

0:31:18.800 --> 0:31:21.239
<v Speaker 1>And they packed up their stuff and they started down

0:31:21.320 --> 0:31:23.440
<v Speaker 1>this trail back down to the main road, and I

0:31:23.600 --> 0:31:24.320
<v Speaker 1>radio down.

0:31:24.640 --> 0:31:26.320
<v Speaker 3>You know, they're coming out.

0:31:26.400 --> 0:31:29.880
<v Speaker 1>So we're basically following them, but at a distance where

0:31:29.880 --> 0:31:34.640
<v Speaker 1>we can't be obviously heard or seen. And they start

0:31:34.880 --> 0:31:37.880
<v Speaker 1>to hear them on the radio. Hey, we've got two here,

0:31:38.160 --> 0:31:41.360
<v Speaker 1>we got three here. I got two more here. And

0:31:41.400 --> 0:31:42.440
<v Speaker 1>then I'm.

0:31:42.240 --> 0:31:45.280
<v Speaker 3>Waiting to hear the one. And then I hear his name.

0:31:46.160 --> 0:31:48.840
<v Speaker 1>It was a wildlife officer, great friend of mine, still

0:31:48.880 --> 0:31:53.320
<v Speaker 1>friends with him, that actually arrested him at his vehicle.

0:31:54.240 --> 0:31:57.200
<v Speaker 1>And I come out of the woods and my boss

0:31:57.280 --> 0:32:01.160
<v Speaker 1>is there with the other six, and I said, can

0:32:01.200 --> 0:32:03.240
<v Speaker 1>I go up and see this gentleman?

0:32:03.640 --> 0:32:07.120
<v Speaker 3>He looked at me, he said, you sure can't. So

0:32:07.800 --> 0:32:08.800
<v Speaker 3>the Wildlife.

0:32:08.400 --> 0:32:11.920
<v Speaker 1>Officered radio down and said, just to let you know,

0:32:12.960 --> 0:32:15.760
<v Speaker 1>I've read him his rights on the miranda, and he's

0:32:15.800 --> 0:32:18.600
<v Speaker 1>telling me that he was turkey scouting, that he don't

0:32:18.640 --> 0:32:21.160
<v Speaker 1>know why he's being arrested, and he wants.

0:32:20.960 --> 0:32:24.400
<v Speaker 3>To be turned loose. So I walk up to where

0:32:24.440 --> 0:32:24.840
<v Speaker 3>he's at.

0:32:25.560 --> 0:32:28.400
<v Speaker 1>Keep in mind, I've got full cameo gear on, face

0:32:28.440 --> 0:32:32.160
<v Speaker 1>paint on, I've got a camera with a thirty five

0:32:32.200 --> 0:32:33.600
<v Speaker 1>millimeters zoom.

0:32:34.240 --> 0:32:35.120
<v Speaker 3>And I walked up there.

0:32:35.120 --> 0:32:36.520
<v Speaker 1>And when I walked up there and looked at him,

0:32:36.560 --> 0:32:38.600
<v Speaker 1>he's handcuffed behind the back and he looked at me,

0:32:40.040 --> 0:32:42.160
<v Speaker 1>and I just just I could kill you look in

0:32:42.200 --> 0:32:45.160
<v Speaker 1>his eye and he grinned, and he says, I was

0:32:45.240 --> 0:32:48.360
<v Speaker 1>turkey hunting and you can't prove anything different for us.

0:32:49.600 --> 0:32:52.080
<v Speaker 1>And I just sat down and I said, well, Bud,

0:32:52.200 --> 0:32:54.880
<v Speaker 1>I said, it's going to be a long day for you.

0:32:55.800 --> 0:32:58.000
<v Speaker 1>I set my pack down and I pulled the camera

0:32:58.000 --> 0:32:59.480
<v Speaker 1>out and I set it down on the hood of

0:32:59.480 --> 0:33:02.560
<v Speaker 1>the car. I said, you're going to be a movie star.

0:33:02.680 --> 0:33:05.000
<v Speaker 1>I said, I've probably got three rolls of film of you.

0:33:05.840 --> 0:33:07.800
<v Speaker 1>And his lips started quivering.

0:33:08.080 --> 0:33:11.000
<v Speaker 2>And so wow.

0:33:11.840 --> 0:33:16.000
<v Speaker 1>And it turns out those other six, he met in

0:33:16.080 --> 0:33:18.920
<v Speaker 1>prison in Florida and e convinced them he had a

0:33:18.920 --> 0:33:24.120
<v Speaker 1>good place to grow marijuana. So he goes to prison again.

0:33:25.200 --> 0:33:31.320
<v Speaker 1>And he had a very very criminal lived life. When

0:33:31.360 --> 0:33:34.600
<v Speaker 1>he got out of prison, he was trying convicted for

0:33:34.680 --> 0:33:40.200
<v Speaker 1>some child molestation, uh murder, and was convicted.

0:33:40.800 --> 0:33:43.840
<v Speaker 2>Wait a minute after he got a prison first time.

0:33:43.800 --> 0:33:47.760
<v Speaker 1>No, the second time from the from the marijuana charge

0:33:48.160 --> 0:33:49.120
<v Speaker 1>he went to.

0:33:49.440 --> 0:33:52.680
<v Speaker 2>He served a prison sentence for this marijuana charge, got out,

0:33:53.040 --> 0:33:54.280
<v Speaker 2>got out, and then.

0:33:54.360 --> 0:33:58.600
<v Speaker 1>Yes, a child molestation. Then he murdered a guy on

0:33:58.760 --> 0:34:04.040
<v Speaker 1>National Forest. It was a controversial case I understand where

0:34:04.520 --> 0:34:06.960
<v Speaker 1>he claimed that it was an argument over a card

0:34:07.000 --> 0:34:10.160
<v Speaker 1>game and they were friends, but basically beat him to

0:34:10.200 --> 0:34:15.080
<v Speaker 1>death with some firewood and a remote campsite. And but

0:34:15.880 --> 0:34:19.279
<v Speaker 1>he since passed on. I got word a few years

0:34:19.280 --> 0:34:21.120
<v Speaker 1>ago that he had had died.

0:34:21.239 --> 0:34:24.680
<v Speaker 2>So wow, how old a guy was he when he died?

0:34:24.719 --> 0:34:25.880
<v Speaker 2>I mean he died early.

0:34:26.640 --> 0:34:29.000
<v Speaker 3>He was probably in his fifties.

0:34:29.239 --> 0:34:31.640
<v Speaker 2>Okay, when he got out of prison the second time,

0:34:32.160 --> 0:34:34.799
<v Speaker 2>I mean you would have been like highly aware of

0:34:34.840 --> 0:34:35.240
<v Speaker 2>the sky.

0:34:35.520 --> 0:34:36.200
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah.

0:34:36.440 --> 0:34:38.160
<v Speaker 2>But did he come back to the community.

0:34:38.280 --> 0:34:40.640
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, that's where he got in all the trouble so,

0:34:40.680 --> 0:34:43.640
<v Speaker 1>but but I wasn't living there anymore. Oh you see,

0:34:43.680 --> 0:34:47.120
<v Speaker 1>I since gone Tennessee, then Tennessee to Arkansas.

0:34:47.360 --> 0:34:49.160
<v Speaker 3>So my career had.

0:34:49.440 --> 0:34:51.759
<v Speaker 2>That's a wild story, man, it was.

0:34:51.920 --> 0:34:54.280
<v Speaker 3>It was a crazy sequence of events.

0:34:57.160 --> 0:35:00.000
<v Speaker 2>It's hard to understand how people could be so warped,

0:35:00.640 --> 0:35:04.520
<v Speaker 2>so dark. I guess when I hear about crazy people.

0:35:05.280 --> 0:35:08.480
<v Speaker 2>First of all, I'm grateful for many of you and

0:35:08.520 --> 0:35:11.640
<v Speaker 2>a bunch of people I'll never know that had upbringings

0:35:11.760 --> 0:35:15.080
<v Speaker 2>of which they had no control over or earned, where

0:35:15.120 --> 0:35:18.320
<v Speaker 2>men and women in their lives taught them right from wrong.

0:35:19.040 --> 0:35:23.120
<v Speaker 2>Our society has a lot more great people than crazy people.

0:35:23.880 --> 0:35:25.280
<v Speaker 2>This guy was missing something.

0:35:26.880 --> 0:35:30.520
<v Speaker 1>The only other thing with that, and there's two or

0:35:30.520 --> 0:35:34.520
<v Speaker 1>three other wildlife officers from that area that I think,

0:35:34.880 --> 0:35:39.240
<v Speaker 1>if we're interviewed, would say the same thing is that

0:35:39.760 --> 0:35:43.920
<v Speaker 1>it's just a mean person. You know, you in law enforcement,

0:35:44.040 --> 0:35:48.240
<v Speaker 1>you try to develop a sixth sense by reading people.

0:35:48.920 --> 0:35:49.640
<v Speaker 3>I mean you have to.

0:35:51.000 --> 0:35:54.239
<v Speaker 1>It's like you would with a I don't mean these

0:35:54.280 --> 0:35:56.319
<v Speaker 1>people are dogs, but it's like you would with a dog.

0:35:56.400 --> 0:35:57.879
<v Speaker 3>How close can I get?

0:35:58.040 --> 0:36:01.000
<v Speaker 1>Or you know, if you're around dogs enough, you know

0:36:01.600 --> 0:36:04.600
<v Speaker 1>you know where its space is and you might not

0:36:04.680 --> 0:36:05.880
<v Speaker 1>ever seen that dog before.

0:36:06.600 --> 0:36:08.680
<v Speaker 3>You can look that eye and see it. See how

0:36:08.680 --> 0:36:11.919
<v Speaker 3>that tale is done, how they acting? Are they sidewaysing

0:36:12.000 --> 0:36:14.960
<v Speaker 3>to you? You know, people are no different, So you

0:36:15.360 --> 0:36:16.319
<v Speaker 3>try to develop that.

0:36:17.200 --> 0:36:20.279
<v Speaker 1>And and I can remember telling the probation officer the

0:36:20.320 --> 0:36:22.680
<v Speaker 1>first time he went to prison, I said, you better

0:36:22.760 --> 0:36:25.799
<v Speaker 1>really take a hold on this one, because he's he's dangerous.

0:36:26.480 --> 0:36:28.600
<v Speaker 2>That first time you met him in the squirrel woods.

0:36:28.600 --> 0:36:29.959
<v Speaker 2>How old was he.

0:36:29.600 --> 0:36:34.000
<v Speaker 3>He was probably early twenties. How old were you late twenties?

0:36:34.239 --> 0:36:37.080
<v Speaker 2>Did that first encounter with him? Could you tell he

0:36:37.239 --> 0:36:38.880
<v Speaker 2>was Yeah, this guy was trouble.

0:36:39.360 --> 0:36:42.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And and something else that I tried to do

0:36:42.080 --> 0:36:44.719
<v Speaker 1>with him. I had all authority to seize his gun

0:36:44.760 --> 0:36:47.400
<v Speaker 1>that day, but I didn't didn't want to.

0:36:47.760 --> 0:36:50.600
<v Speaker 3>It'll be overbearing. I never dealt with him before.

0:36:50.880 --> 0:36:52.719
<v Speaker 1>And I tried to explain to her, look, man, just

0:36:52.719 --> 0:36:54.960
<v Speaker 1>can't be doing it in oner to prove to you that,

0:36:55.239 --> 0:36:57.200
<v Speaker 1>you know, I'm not that bad a person.

0:36:57.239 --> 0:36:58.360
<v Speaker 3>I'm not going to take it again.

0:36:58.800 --> 0:37:00.600
<v Speaker 2>Really, So you you even show him a little bit

0:37:00.600 --> 0:37:05.000
<v Speaker 2>of mercy, and he was still that embittered against you

0:37:05.760 --> 0:37:09.120
<v Speaker 2>that he was. He wanted to kill you that day.

0:37:10.280 --> 0:37:14.360
<v Speaker 2>What comes over somebody that that think the answer is

0:37:14.400 --> 0:37:16.840
<v Speaker 2>that these people were just crazy. But to be at

0:37:16.880 --> 0:37:21.520
<v Speaker 2>a roadblock with five wildlife officers with vehicles, to think

0:37:21.560 --> 0:37:24.600
<v Speaker 2>that they could run you over and get away, I

0:37:24.600 --> 0:37:26.759
<v Speaker 2>mean where they where they high, where they on, were

0:37:26.800 --> 0:37:27.520
<v Speaker 2>they on drugs?

0:37:27.520 --> 0:37:30.319
<v Speaker 1>Where they Well that will never know, because you know

0:37:30.400 --> 0:37:31.960
<v Speaker 1>it's three days before they surface.

0:37:32.200 --> 0:37:36.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean what they're just that crazy, I mean

0:37:36.560 --> 0:37:39.359
<v Speaker 2>that impulsive. You'd think if I mean, if you really

0:37:39.440 --> 0:37:41.760
<v Speaker 2>wanted to kill you, there'd have been much easier ways

0:37:41.800 --> 0:37:44.759
<v Speaker 2>to kill you. I guess. I guess crazy people are

0:37:44.800 --> 0:37:48.879
<v Speaker 2>just that's why they're crazy. Bizarre, man, do you think

0:37:49.200 --> 0:37:53.080
<v Speaker 2>particularly wildlife law enforcement, these guys that are embedded in

0:37:53.120 --> 0:37:56.200
<v Speaker 2>these communities and in some ways they're they're not like

0:37:56.600 --> 0:37:59.839
<v Speaker 2>standard police in that there's not as many of them.

0:38:00.080 --> 0:38:02.160
<v Speaker 2>You know, there might be like one, one or two

0:38:02.160 --> 0:38:05.359
<v Speaker 2>wildlife officers in the whole community. Or is there more

0:38:05.400 --> 0:38:08.680
<v Speaker 2>retaliation against guys like that, like just over a career.

0:38:09.200 --> 0:38:12.879
<v Speaker 1>Well, you know, I guess it could. It could kind

0:38:12.880 --> 0:38:18.080
<v Speaker 1>of be geographical. I wasn't alive during this era, but

0:38:18.480 --> 0:38:20.759
<v Speaker 1>you can look back in some of the histories and

0:38:20.800 --> 0:38:24.479
<v Speaker 1>it's always intrigued me of the Moonshine days. Yeah, so

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<v Speaker 1>there's been a long history in kind of the South,

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<v Speaker 1>if you will.

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<v Speaker 3>Of I don't want to say retaliation, but resentment.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and as far as you know, conservation officers, I.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't know if there's that many more incidences or.

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<v Speaker 1>Not, but you have to be a lot more aware

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<v Speaker 1>that there could be.

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<v Speaker 2>Because you're working environment, you're by yourself, you're.

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<v Speaker 1>By yourself, You're you're twenty miles down a gravel road.

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<v Speaker 1>You may or may not have radio, sir, And even

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<v Speaker 1>in this day and age, I can take you to

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<v Speaker 1>several places within thirty minutes or right here where you

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<v Speaker 1>won't have Yeah, you know, so you definitely have to

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<v Speaker 1>have that tactical mindset, you know, or something could happen.

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<v Speaker 1>Crazy time in my life, I remember my dad coming

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<v Speaker 1>over to the hospital. He was first one I saw

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<v Speaker 1>when I woke up, and of course he was trying

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<v Speaker 1>to make light of it.

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<v Speaker 3>Tell me he's glad it hit me in the head.

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<v Speaker 3>I should be okay, typical dad.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that truly was a wild story. On the next episode,

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<v Speaker 2>we'll hear about the last half of Russ's career with

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<v Speaker 2>the Forest Service, which will lead this old Tennessee country

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<v Speaker 2>boy to some far off wild places, including an unbelievable

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<v Speaker 2>story about working undercover and then an illegal elk hunt

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<v Speaker 2>in Yellowstone National Park. From working in the Western US

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<v Speaker 2>to flying across the oceans to train an international wildlife

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<v Speaker 2>task force, this next AP episode is not gonna be

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<v Speaker 2>one that you'll want to miss. I look forward to

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<v Speaker 2>talking with everyone on the Bear Grease for Render next week.

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