1 00:00:02,800 --> 00:00:04,840 Speaker 1: Hello in La Hello. 2 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:07,880 Speaker 2: I can't believe you got up today and got on 3 00:00:07,920 --> 00:00:10,200 Speaker 2: a flight. I'm still shook by it, you. 4 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 3: Know, doing something like this even five years ago, I 5 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:16,720 Speaker 3: you know, I wouldn't have thought twice like it would 6 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:19,279 Speaker 3: be super easy, and I probably would have been able 7 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:20,520 Speaker 3: to do it, like really hungover. 8 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:22,319 Speaker 1: Well, we need listeners what they did? 9 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:26,960 Speaker 3: Wow? Okay, So last night was the CMAS and I 10 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:30,120 Speaker 3: I'm in Los Angeles from one of my best friend's 11 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 3: fortieth birthday parties tonight and last night was the awards. 12 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:38,080 Speaker 3: Last night was the CMAS, and there were only like 13 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:40,760 Speaker 3: I either had to fly early in the morning or 14 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 3: and the party starts at seven, or like at noon, 15 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:44,920 Speaker 3: and then I would land at six, and I didn't 16 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:46,839 Speaker 3: want to just have to like roll right to the party. 17 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:48,560 Speaker 3: So I was like, I'll just do it earlier flight 18 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 3: when I planned it, and I didn't have any reason 19 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 3: to be at the CMAS or even go to a party, 20 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 3: so I was like, great this year, I'm going to 21 00:00:56,720 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 3: watch from my television. It's gonna be over at ten. 22 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 3: I'm gonna go to bed. It'll be great. Well, then Elle, 23 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 3: we booked an event for her when it was the 24 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:07,559 Speaker 3: last minute thing that came in for a private event 25 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 3: with Chevy, and she was like, hell, yeah, let's do it. 26 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:13,480 Speaker 3: And it started at eleven fifteen. So I was like, 27 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 3: it is better for me to actually go to the 28 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:19,680 Speaker 3: awards and hang out and sit at home and get 29 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 3: progressively more tired and risk falling asleep on my couch 30 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:26,240 Speaker 3: and missing my work commitment. So I was like, fuck it, 31 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 3: I'm gonna go, which was good, and I like behaved myself. 32 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 3: The event went great. She was like on and off. 33 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 3: It was only four songs, and then I swung through 34 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:38,840 Speaker 3: the WM party thinking I'd just be able to be 35 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 3: like hi bye, and then that turned into an hour 36 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 3: and next thing I know, it was one thirty in 37 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:45,959 Speaker 3: the morning. I was getting home and I had to 38 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 3: be up at five thirty. And because. 39 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 1: Oh so I am not made this way, I can. 40 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:57,280 Speaker 3: And I did it. I was think, I mean I 41 00:01:57,320 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 3: only had two drinks the whole night, so I made 42 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:03,000 Speaker 3: it a whole lot easier. Yeah, but I did. I 43 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 3: set three alarms. Wow, Yeah, and thank god I did. 44 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 3: I sent my like actual alarm clock because that's the 45 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 3: one that woke me up, and it was two minutes 46 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:14,200 Speaker 3: after I'd already hit snooze without realizing it. 47 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:15,520 Speaker 1: Al my, I don't know how you do that. 48 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 2: The second my alarm goes off, I'm like awake. I 49 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 2: just am not like that. But obviously I have sleepishy. 50 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 3: So well, I've also trained myself to hit snooze, you know, 51 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 3: Like I need to break that habit. Basically, I just 52 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:28,840 Speaker 3: need to set an alarm clock that's like in my 53 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:31,680 Speaker 3: kitchen that's really loud, so I have to like get 54 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:34,240 Speaker 3: out of bed to turn it. That's the only way 55 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 3: I think I'm gonna break that habit. But anyway, I 56 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:38,360 Speaker 3: was very thankful to not be hung over on the flight, 57 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 3: because that's that we're incredibly hungover. 58 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm over on a plane. It's just not it. 59 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not. And as I eate closer and closer 60 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 3: to fifty years old, I'm like, yeah, I don't. I 61 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 3: don't ever want to experience that again. 62 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 1: Yeah. 63 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, Well I texted you earlier because I was like, 64 00:02:56,480 --> 00:02:57,799 Speaker 2: I don't know how you got on a flight. 65 00:02:57,840 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 1: This morning. I worked the. 66 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 2: Award Show, so that's probably where a lot of my 67 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:05,080 Speaker 2: like tiredness comes from. It's a little different for me 68 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:07,800 Speaker 2: because those days are really long for my job. 69 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:09,519 Speaker 3: But and standing on concrete. 70 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 2: Well yeah, I mean, and we're just I'm bouncing around 71 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 2: a different artist and it's just a busy day. And 72 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 2: so I woke up and I feel like I've also 73 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:19,400 Speaker 2: had a busy week leading up, like a lot of 74 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 2: you know, there's just a. 75 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 3: Lot really hard tck. Yeah. 76 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:23,360 Speaker 1: So it's all fun. 77 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 2: It's I'm so grateful for my job and I know 78 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:28,080 Speaker 2: you are too, And today we were just I'm just 79 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:29,520 Speaker 2: like a zombie a little bit. So I was like, 80 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:31,360 Speaker 2: how did you get on a plane because I feel 81 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:32,960 Speaker 2: like I got hit by a bus and I didn't 82 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 2: even go out. I didn't go to the after parties, 83 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 2: I didn't do anything. So I'm just like, yeah, my 84 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 2: body is just like woof. 85 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 3: You know, what's a nice like realization as I'm getting older, 86 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 3: is like, what's that I used to see these things 87 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 3: as an excuse to go get hammered and just party, 88 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 3: but really what they are is the celebration of all 89 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 3: the hard work that we put in right all year, 90 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 3: and so just going and like seeing everybody in one 91 00:03:57,760 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 3: room is really the fun part. 92 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 1: You know, I love the room mentality because I remembered. 93 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 3: All the conversations and you know, normally. It's just like 94 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 3: I was there, you know, Yeah, I had a good time. 95 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 3: I remember the conversations I had and like who I saw, 96 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:15,120 Speaker 3: and I followed up with some people this morning, like 97 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:17,479 Speaker 3: it was so great to run into you. Like I 98 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:20,480 Speaker 3: saw my friend Jeane Severs. She works with Jeff Bridges, 99 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:23,479 Speaker 3: and I didn't know he was going to be there. Yeah, 100 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 3: I didn't know that he was going to be there, 101 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 3: and I saw it. I was like, oh, I wonder 102 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 3: if Jean's going to be there, And I ran into 103 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 3: her literally as he was coming off stage. She was 104 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:31,239 Speaker 3: going to meet him, and then they were like Elvis 105 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 3: sing the building. So it was like really good to 106 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 3: see her briefly, and we texted all this morning. But yeah, 107 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 3: it's just a different I'm approaching it differently than I 108 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 3: used to. 109 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 2: Well, you're such a little social butterfly too, Like I 110 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 2: literally stayed in Dirk's dressing room in the back corner 111 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:48,360 Speaker 2: because we shared. Basically, the way it goes for those 112 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:51,280 Speaker 2: listening is like in the backstage or it's like in 113 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:54,240 Speaker 2: the I don't know is that called the backstage. Yeah, 114 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:56,599 Speaker 2: the backstage of bridge Jen Arena, which is typically like 115 00:04:56,720 --> 00:05:00,360 Speaker 2: locker rooms and stuff, it's they set up different dress 116 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:02,479 Speaker 2: and like there's a couple men's dressing rooms and there's 117 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 2: a couple of women's, and so you share it with 118 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:06,479 Speaker 2: a bunch of people, like we had Brooks and Done 119 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:08,919 Speaker 2: and Thomas Rhett and Teddy Swims and all these people 120 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:10,800 Speaker 2: were in our dressing room too, like they were set 121 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:12,920 Speaker 2: up in there too, So it's like not just them, 122 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:17,600 Speaker 2: it's all their camp like management glam stylists. 123 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:20,360 Speaker 1: So it's just busy and I chaotic. 124 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:23,359 Speaker 2: It's so chaotic, and I am such an energy like 125 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 2: energy just like I take it on. You know that 126 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:29,960 Speaker 2: it wears my ass out. So I've just gotten to 127 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 2: the place where I'm like, I got to stay in 128 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:35,560 Speaker 2: one place with my people that I'm very much already 129 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:38,719 Speaker 2: like in connection with, and I don't want to go 130 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:40,680 Speaker 2: do small talk anymore, Like I just am not. 131 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 1: It's not for me. I can't. 132 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:44,479 Speaker 3: By the time I found you, guys, I mean it 133 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 3: was basically Dirk's crew had taken over the whole room because. 134 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:49,560 Speaker 1: I know we'd like set up shop well and. 135 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 3: Well I think you know Teddy and Thomas and they 136 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:54,760 Speaker 3: were done, they'd right. 137 00:05:54,839 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 2: Dirk's was the last performance of the entire night, so 138 00:05:57,839 --> 00:06:00,479 Speaker 2: like he closed the show, so we were there the 139 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:02,839 Speaker 2: whole night. Like, I will tell you one cool moment, 140 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 2: like Teddy Swims. First of all, he can sing, I mean, 141 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 2: it's insane. He goes in there's like a connected bathroom, 142 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 2: you know, which is also hilarious because it's like one 143 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 2: bathroom for all these people, and all there is is 144 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 2: a curtain. There's not like a door or whatever. And 145 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:20,039 Speaker 2: so like so many times I'll walk in and there's 146 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:21,799 Speaker 2: men just standing at the urinal and I'm. 147 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:25,480 Speaker 1: Like, what world, Like I'm sitting here peeing. 148 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:27,920 Speaker 2: Well, Teddy Swims is at the urinal, like that didn't happen, 149 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 2: But you know what I'm saying, Like it's. 150 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:31,640 Speaker 3: Like that kind of possible happened very much. So. 151 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 2: But he was like warming up for their performance in 152 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 2: the bathroom that's only separated by a curtain, and I 153 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:38,719 Speaker 2: was like, I feel like I'm getting a private show 154 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:39,240 Speaker 2: right now. 155 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 1: His warm up was insane, and. 156 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:48,080 Speaker 3: The acoustics in those child it's like singing in the shower. Yeah. 157 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:50,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a wild moment. I was telling you. 158 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:53,080 Speaker 2: What was so interesting is like we've been doing this 159 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 2: for such a long time that we know most of 160 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:57,359 Speaker 2: the like the country music world is very small. We 161 00:06:57,400 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 2: all kind of know each other, you know, all the artists, 162 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 2: you know him really well, and so that part isn't 163 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:05,960 Speaker 2: as like, oh my god, you know, as it maybe 164 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:08,800 Speaker 2: used to be when I first started this job, and 165 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 2: I looked at the lineup and it's like, so so 166 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 2: many people that we know, and you are you're like 167 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:15,560 Speaker 2: excited to see people, but it's a different kind of 168 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 2: like you're not like in awe of these people. Yeah, well, 169 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:23,640 Speaker 2: Dolly's like a beast. I mean yeah, anytime I'm around her, 170 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:26,200 Speaker 2: are like freak out. But like I look at the 171 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 2: roster and the person that I was like, oh, oh 172 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 2: my god about was Taylor from The Secret Wives of 173 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:33,720 Speaker 2: Mormon Wives. 174 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 3: I don't even know what that show is. 175 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:36,400 Speaker 1: I know, you don't even know. 176 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:38,680 Speaker 2: And I literally was like, oh my god, I'm so 177 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 2: angry at myself that this. 178 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 1: Is the person I'm so excited to see. 179 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:45,000 Speaker 2: But I did see her, and like, this will kind 180 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 2: of get us into the topic, which I think is interesting. 181 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 2: But I did see her and I was like, ah, 182 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:50,760 Speaker 2: she's just a regular girl, just like the rest of us, 183 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 2: you know, Like, I mean, she's just on a reality show. 184 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:55,680 Speaker 2: But there was a gasp moment. I did have a 185 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 2: gasp moment, and I was I was walking after Dirk's 186 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:01,960 Speaker 2: perform and a lot of people had been were starting 187 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:05,680 Speaker 2: to leave because the show was over, and I literally 188 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:08,720 Speaker 2: see this like a couple people, and then I see 189 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:12,000 Speaker 2: this tiny human literally maybe the tiniest human I've ever seen. 190 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:14,240 Speaker 3: And you know who it was, Well, I know who 191 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 3: was there. Who's really small? 192 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:19,880 Speaker 1: Oh okay, some on biles correct. I gasped. 193 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:22,000 Speaker 2: I was like, and I looked at one of my 194 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 2: friends and she had done the same thing, and we 195 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 2: were like, oh my god. And I didn't even know 196 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 2: I would be. 197 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 1: I mean, because it's she's legend. A legend, that's what 198 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 1: it is. Yeah, And she's so little. 199 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 2: It's just like she probably was, I swear to god, 200 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:38,200 Speaker 2: maybe not even up to my boobs. 201 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:40,720 Speaker 3: I bet she's Yeah, I bet she's under five feet 202 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:44,960 Speaker 3: tall to be that compact like those flips and ship 203 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 3: have to be. 204 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:48,000 Speaker 2: But that you said it in and of itself, it's 205 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 2: like the stuff that she can do with that little 206 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 2: tiny body. You're just like, oh my god. And she's 207 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 2: walking around this like gorgeous dress and these heels she 208 00:08:56,960 --> 00:08:58,840 Speaker 2: had on heels and she was up to my boobs. 209 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 2: So think about if she's just like flat footed, she's 210 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:03,360 Speaker 2: probably like almost to my hip. 211 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 1: I don't know. 212 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 2: I mean I'm like almost five ten, so she's definitely 213 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:10,560 Speaker 2: like probably a foot shorter than me. And she's just 214 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 2: like little and compact, you know, like we were talking 215 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 2: about after isn't she married to a football player? 216 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 1: Like how do they have sex? I just can't. 217 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 3: He throws her around like a football. 218 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:22,839 Speaker 2: I yeah, I mean, who knows what she can do? 219 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:24,840 Speaker 2: Because she can be put and all that stuff. It's 220 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:27,439 Speaker 2: like she could be the best sex you know at all. 221 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 2: Anybody's doing handstands, all kinds of shit. 222 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 3: Spinning on that thing, yeah, not spinning, spinning spin it. 223 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:38,960 Speaker 1: Yeah. 224 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:42,240 Speaker 2: We used to talk about that with Shaq and his wife, 225 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 2: like how do they have sex? You know, it's always 226 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:47,319 Speaker 2: these like big massive men and these tiny little women. 227 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:48,680 Speaker 2: But anyway, I. 228 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 3: Digress, digress, like I don't sit around think about that. 229 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 2: Well it was it was probably the third thing that 230 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:56,000 Speaker 2: went through to my mind. So I don't know what 231 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:56,840 Speaker 2: that's that's about me. 232 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:00,600 Speaker 3: Well, I bet you it's different, Like I bet that 233 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 3: thought is probably happens more from the female perspective. 234 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 1: Because I'm thinking of like as a woman, You're like, how. 235 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 3: Does a woman sleep with this gigantic person? 236 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:12,640 Speaker 2: Well, he definitely can't be on top, That's what I 237 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:15,360 Speaker 2: was thinking. It's like he will squash her, yeah, because 238 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 2: she's almost like a twelve year old like size wise, 239 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:21,800 Speaker 2: you know, like she's like our our friend Mary's daughter, 240 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 2: Scarlett is probably taller. 241 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 1: Than her, I'm not kidding. And she's ten, Like that's. 242 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 2: How little she was, so wise, and then she has 243 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:31,840 Speaker 2: babies and stuff too, and I'm like, how just all 244 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:34,520 Speaker 2: of the things. I have so many questions, Simon, And 245 00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:40,560 Speaker 2: if you're listening anyway, this does kind of work with 246 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 2: our topic because I was talking to Tally from the 247 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 2: astro Twins. If you guys are any sort of astrology followers, 248 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:51,480 Speaker 2: they were like the og astrology like pop culture astrology people. 249 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 2: And I've had her sister o Fie on before, and 250 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:56,080 Speaker 2: Tally came on this week because they have a new 251 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:59,120 Speaker 2: book coming out for the twenty twenty five horoscopes and 252 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:01,760 Speaker 2: just astrology, Like it's just a prediction book of kind 253 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 2: of all of the different things that are going to happen. 254 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:06,200 Speaker 2: I love them so much, and we had such a 255 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 2: good conversation, So if you haven't listened to that, go listen. 256 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:10,960 Speaker 2: But one of the things we talked about, which is 257 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:13,560 Speaker 2: in their twenty twenty five trend report, is just maybe 258 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 2: a shift in celebrity. And it was so interesting to 259 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:19,560 Speaker 2: me because I said to her, I really have felt 260 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:22,920 Speaker 2: since maybe the pandemic, which would be twenty twenty, that 261 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 2: things feel different, and I tie it to the pandemic, 262 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:27,680 Speaker 2: but maybe it's something else. Maybe it's the rise of 263 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 2: reality TV, maybe it's the rise of social media culture. 264 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:33,079 Speaker 1: But it just feels so. 265 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:37,680 Speaker 2: Different nowadays celebrity in general, And so you and I 266 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 2: started talking about it, and we were just like, yeah, 267 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 2: there are a lot of shifts, and so I kind 268 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:43,760 Speaker 2: of wanted to talk about the different things we're noticing. 269 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:47,520 Speaker 2: And then obviously if you guys have feedback, like flu 270 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 2: us in on what you're feeling too, just from another perspective, 271 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:52,679 Speaker 2: because I don't know what ship if ours is fully 272 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:55,040 Speaker 2: clear either because we work in the entertainment industry. 273 00:11:55,360 --> 00:12:07,560 Speaker 4: True, yeah, I think it's also like, depending on your age, 274 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:13,040 Speaker 4: you might feel differently too, because we grew up where 275 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:16,560 Speaker 4: there were fewer celebrities because it was so much harder. 276 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:21,000 Speaker 3: But they were like, if you were a celebrity, the 277 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:23,400 Speaker 3: whole fucking world knew you, Like you were. 278 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:25,559 Speaker 1: Massive and you were on a big pedestal. 279 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 3: It was on a much bigger stage. And now there's 280 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 3: so many more select like that woman Taylor that you mentioned, 281 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:37,000 Speaker 3: Like yeah, like I might have seen her last night 282 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:40,720 Speaker 3: and thought she, you know, was a publicist. Right, there's 283 00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:44,959 Speaker 3: like there's so many more. The term celebrity I think 284 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 3: has been bastardized, you know, like yeah, because fame and 285 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:53,600 Speaker 3: celebrity are two different things. 286 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:55,920 Speaker 2: So maybe we should say that, And maybe that is 287 00:12:55,960 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 2: the point here, is that like, celebrity to me is 288 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:03,960 Speaker 2: typically someone with an extreme talent that puts them above 289 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 2: you in some way, Like we were talking about this before. 290 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:11,120 Speaker 2: They are excellent in something and that's what makes them 291 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:13,679 Speaker 2: on you, that puts them on your radar because they 292 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:18,080 Speaker 2: are some somehow so different. And what's interesting about culture 293 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:21,160 Speaker 2: in twenty twenty five even see Taylor's the perfect example. 294 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 2: I'm literally looking at her and I'm like, she just 295 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:25,559 Speaker 2: looks like a girl that would be in our friend group, 296 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:29,520 Speaker 2: like and she's just very like there's nothing that's over 297 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:32,440 Speaker 2: the top, going like oh, my god, like there she 298 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:34,840 Speaker 2: is or you know what I mean, like there's there 299 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:37,439 Speaker 2: was no energy like that. And it's because the reality 300 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:41,520 Speaker 2: is all that she's famous for is being a swinger 301 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:42,360 Speaker 2: as a Mormon. 302 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:44,040 Speaker 1: Like that's it on TikTok. 303 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:46,600 Speaker 2: It's not even like she got a reality show because 304 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:50,400 Speaker 2: they like went viral on TikTok, so now it's interesting 305 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 2: to people to watch the show. I was like, honestly 306 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:55,360 Speaker 2: so pissed at myself for watching the show, Like the 307 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:57,520 Speaker 2: first three episodes, I was like, what is this shit? 308 00:13:57,559 --> 00:14:00,160 Speaker 2: Why am I doing this to myself? Like I I 309 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:01,800 Speaker 2: have to have more brain cells than this, you know. 310 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:03,600 Speaker 2: And then by episode four I was like I can't stop. 311 00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:04,760 Speaker 2: Oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, what 312 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:07,760 Speaker 2: happens next? Like you just get so sucked in, you 313 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:09,599 Speaker 2: know the way those shows are so addictive. 314 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 3: Well, I mean think about Hot Tua Girl. For me, sure, 315 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 3: it's literally she got famous off of a sentence, a 316 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:21,160 Speaker 3: few words, and if you're following along, I do actually 317 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:24,960 Speaker 3: think that she Like I'm really interested in her approach 318 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 3: to it because it is she's doing a lot of good, 319 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 3: Like she's really like, oh my god, she's all like 320 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 3: all the money she's making, she's putting toward like animal 321 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:37,920 Speaker 3: rescue shit, Like that's pretty amazing. The natural thing would 322 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 3: be get on a reality show, like you need your 323 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:42,640 Speaker 3: own show. And she does have a podcast and she's 324 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:46,920 Speaker 3: doing things, but a lot of the stuff is more 325 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:49,120 Speaker 3: behind the scenes, and I just happen to follow her 326 00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 3: and and you know, when it comes to meeting celebrities, 327 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:56,080 Speaker 3: like it's like random ones like that that I love 328 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:58,960 Speaker 3: to meet because it doesn't really mean anything to me. 329 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:01,880 Speaker 3: It's like just kind of a funny photo, right, But 330 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 3: I was so impressed with her when I met her 331 00:15:04,040 --> 00:15:07,680 Speaker 3: at a show at Bridgetone. Oh well, yeah, I thought 332 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:09,360 Speaker 3: she was really sweet and a lot smarter than I 333 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 3: thought she was gonna be, and like humble, like very 334 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:14,640 Speaker 3: humbled by of. 335 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:17,600 Speaker 1: Course she's humble. She didn't do anything that's trouble. 336 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 2: Like, I mean, I met her at the same show 337 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:23,440 Speaker 2: and I'm like, I just remember again, it's sort of 338 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:25,720 Speaker 2: like and I don't mean this to sound mean, this 339 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:29,200 Speaker 2: is I'm just like curious about this. But anytime, like 340 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:33,120 Speaker 2: I've been around massive celebrities like we're talking about like 341 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:35,640 Speaker 2: the Grammys, for instance, there were so many moments I 342 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 2: remember standing backstage just being like, oh my god, that's 343 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:41,800 Speaker 2: the most beautiful person I've ever seen, or they're so 344 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:45,880 Speaker 2: like stoic, and you know, like artists and entertainers have 345 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:48,680 Speaker 2: an energy about them like they are stars and they 346 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:51,240 Speaker 2: born to do it. Yes, they walk into a room 347 00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:54,640 Speaker 2: and they command your attention, not like always because they're 348 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 2: even saying anything, but there's an energy about people like 349 00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:01,360 Speaker 2: that that it just commands your at and I don't 350 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:04,640 Speaker 2: find that from most reality stars. There's not that thing 351 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:06,640 Speaker 2: like and I say that as a person who was 352 00:16:06,680 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 2: on a reality TV show, like it's it's very much 353 00:16:09,560 --> 00:16:13,800 Speaker 2: just like, no, you're more like just a person. And 354 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 2: so it's interesting to me to watch this shift because 355 00:16:17,800 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 2: I don't know if it's that we're looking for someone 356 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:22,960 Speaker 2: more equal to us to be mimicked in on a 357 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:26,840 Speaker 2: bigger platform, if it's like a connection thing, like you 358 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:28,880 Speaker 2: feel like you know them, like people say that about 359 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 2: us a lot on this podcast. Is like one of 360 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 2: the biggest feedbacks that we get is like people saying, Oh, 361 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:36,760 Speaker 2: I feel like you guys are my friends even though 362 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:39,560 Speaker 2: I've never met you. So is there that happening? Is 363 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:42,480 Speaker 2: that why we're making these people famous or whatever? Are 364 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:44,120 Speaker 2: we just interested in that now? 365 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:45,640 Speaker 1: Like, do you know what I'm saying? 366 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:48,240 Speaker 3: Step. I think there's like a voyeuristic thing that is 367 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:51,120 Speaker 3: just a natural tendency for all of us. I also 368 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:55,760 Speaker 3: think there is the aspirational part of it, like you know, 369 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:58,640 Speaker 3: if they can make money off of just beareing themselves, 370 00:16:58,680 --> 00:16:59,280 Speaker 3: I can too. 371 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 1: Sort of attraction that's interesting, Yeah. 372 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:05,240 Speaker 3: And it's funny too, because you know, I can remember 373 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:07,240 Speaker 3: asking my niece, and I think we've talked about this. 374 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:09,160 Speaker 3: I asked my niece what she wanted to be when 375 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:11,560 Speaker 3: she grew up, and she said famous, And I was like, 376 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:15,119 Speaker 3: for what, And she couldn't answer the question. And I 377 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:19,800 Speaker 3: think she's of a generation where she sees a lot 378 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:22,159 Speaker 3: of just regular people who have become famous because of 379 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:25,600 Speaker 3: TikTok and Instagram and reality shows and all of that. 380 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:29,399 Speaker 3: And to me, like, I'm pushing fifty at this point, 381 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:33,640 Speaker 3: and when I was a kid, like we had three 382 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:36,520 Speaker 3: I didn't even have cable till fifth grade, Like I 383 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:41,760 Speaker 3: had Fox, ABC, NBC and CBS and PBS, and if 384 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:43,800 Speaker 3: you weren't on those, nobody knew who fuck you were, 385 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:48,280 Speaker 3: or like the radio, So anyone who was dreaming of 386 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 3: being famous back then, like you had to have a 387 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:55,520 Speaker 3: very specific goal to get make talent. Yeah, talent, and 388 00:17:56,680 --> 00:17:58,680 Speaker 3: so now it's just it's just different. So I think, 389 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:02,119 Speaker 3: like it's just been democra ties, like you can become 390 00:18:02,119 --> 00:18:04,560 Speaker 3: famous for anything. You can become famous for batch, like 391 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:08,000 Speaker 3: you know, there's also the whole like people who commit 392 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:12,520 Speaker 3: like heinous crimes because they want to be remembered for 393 00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:16,200 Speaker 3: something and that you know, there's a lot of history 394 00:18:16,280 --> 00:18:18,600 Speaker 3: behind that of people that they want to see them 395 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:20,960 Speaker 3: their face on the news and they don't care that 396 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:23,440 Speaker 3: they die in the act of doing it because they'll 397 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:24,800 Speaker 3: be remembered it's martyrdom. 398 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:27,840 Speaker 2: So or if people hate them, right, I would care 399 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:30,880 Speaker 2: about that. But yeah, what's interesting about what you said 400 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:33,439 Speaker 2: about your niece is that is so true with the 401 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:36,840 Speaker 2: younger generations of thinking, like, because I think when we 402 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:41,119 Speaker 2: associate unless you are around it, you associate fame with glamour, 403 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:46,000 Speaker 2: with money, with opportunities, with access, with all of these things. 404 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:48,520 Speaker 2: What you don't do is associate it with all the 405 00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:52,199 Speaker 2: negative aspects of it. And what was interesting about my 406 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:55,000 Speaker 2: experience on TV was like, I mean, I don't consider 407 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:58,560 Speaker 2: myself famous by any means, but like the interesting piece 408 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:01,720 Speaker 2: of it is. There's a lot of for sure that comes, 409 00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:05,800 Speaker 2: but the negative felt equal to me or worse in 410 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:09,159 Speaker 2: some ways. And like, obviously my experience was a particular kind, 411 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:14,240 Speaker 2: but like it's weird in some ways to like feel 412 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:16,719 Speaker 2: like you have to wear makeup when you leave your 413 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:19,760 Speaker 2: house because people just look at you like that's weird. 414 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:22,600 Speaker 2: It's a weird feeling, especially when you're not used to it, 415 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:28,720 Speaker 2: or like people saying like nasty things about you that 416 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 2: that you would never dream Like. I remember people commenting 417 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:33,840 Speaker 2: on certain parts of my looks on the show that 418 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:38,360 Speaker 2: I was just like God, I mean, people are fucking ruthless. 419 00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:42,680 Speaker 2: And it's like, unless you are a supermodel, they're gonna 420 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:46,680 Speaker 2: comments on something. But like even with supermodels, they will 421 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:49,359 Speaker 2: like they'll they will find a thing, and it's always 422 00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:52,520 Speaker 2: the thing you're insecure about too, so it's like really 423 00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:54,520 Speaker 2: hard to not let it hurt your feelings, you know, 424 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:55,680 Speaker 2: right right. 425 00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:57,320 Speaker 3: Well, and they're also i mean they call them prolls 426 00:19:57,359 --> 00:19:57,879 Speaker 3: for a reason. 427 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:02,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, true, But anyway, all of that does exist too, 428 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:04,199 Speaker 2: and that's not the thing we think of. And so 429 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:06,639 Speaker 2: like these younger generations probably are like, oh yeah, it 430 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:09,040 Speaker 2: seems fun to be famous because like, obviously those are 431 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:11,360 Speaker 2: the parts that we see, but no one talks about 432 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:12,280 Speaker 2: like the other parts. 433 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:15,120 Speaker 3: Well, you know who's talking about it recently is Chapel Romee. 434 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:17,320 Speaker 1: And now she really is. 435 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:20,720 Speaker 3: And I think it's a great example too, because it's 436 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:25,280 Speaker 3: you know, she's someone that with incredible, immense raw talent. 437 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:26,439 Speaker 1: Oh my god, she's so. 438 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:30,600 Speaker 3: Seemingly became a super literal superstar, one of the most 439 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:34,720 Speaker 3: famous pop singers in the world right now overnight. 440 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:35,320 Speaker 1: Like right, it happened. 441 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:37,360 Speaker 3: But it has been a very long journey for her. 442 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:39,879 Speaker 3: You know, it's been seven years in the making, but 443 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:43,399 Speaker 3: it just happened very quickly when it finally it. Yeah, 444 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:47,400 Speaker 3: and she's grappling with that, and she's being very public about. 445 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:48,960 Speaker 1: It, like people that she is. 446 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:51,879 Speaker 3: Yeah, but she's getting backlash. Fans are not happy with 447 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:52,480 Speaker 3: it that you know. 448 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:55,200 Speaker 2: That's kind of bullshit to me because it's like, if 449 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:57,399 Speaker 2: you're an actual fan of someone, first of all, her 450 00:20:57,440 --> 00:21:00,439 Speaker 2: album is so good, Like that's what you're fan of, 451 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:03,360 Speaker 2: is her music. That doesn't all of a sudden mean 452 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:06,360 Speaker 2: that you are granted access to her personal life or 453 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:12,240 Speaker 2: her at all times. It's actually so unbelievably like violating 454 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:14,920 Speaker 2: that we just assume that they don't have they don't 455 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:18,159 Speaker 2: get to have boundaries because their talent is one that 456 00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:18,760 Speaker 2: we enjoy. 457 00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:20,960 Speaker 1: Like what is that? Even that is like the most 458 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:22,399 Speaker 1: fucked up thing. 459 00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:25,840 Speaker 3: It doesn't mean even the physical being of her when 460 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 3: she is on stage is Chapel Roone is a character? 461 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:33,120 Speaker 3: Like her name's Kaye, Like she is not Chapel Roone. 462 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:37,880 Speaker 3: And She's like, people need to understand that when I'm 463 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:41,400 Speaker 3: not on stage and in costume, I am Kailee. I'm 464 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:44,240 Speaker 3: not the person that you think I am. No, And 465 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:48,159 Speaker 3: I need my personal space to be able to go 466 00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:49,680 Speaker 3: do do Chapel. 467 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:53,080 Speaker 2: You know, she's a performer, like these people are entertainers. 468 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:55,240 Speaker 2: So this is where we're talking about two different things. 469 00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:57,520 Speaker 2: And I'm actually so glad that you made this clarification 470 00:21:57,600 --> 00:22:01,480 Speaker 2: about what celebrity is and what FAI is because I 471 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:03,120 Speaker 2: think in my head the reason I was like, wait, 472 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:07,600 Speaker 2: is this a celebrity changing? And maybe celebrity isn't actually changing, 473 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:11,879 Speaker 2: but maybe we're so oversaturated with quote unquote fame now 474 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:17,239 Speaker 2: and that has changed how much we value celebrity and 475 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:20,400 Speaker 2: maybe we are melding the two and confusing the two 476 00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:23,960 Speaker 2: because people like a Chapel Roone or a Beyonce. They 477 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:27,119 Speaker 2: talk about this so openly, like I'm a performer. Beyonce 478 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:29,879 Speaker 2: calls herself Sasha fears when she goes on stage, but 479 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:33,440 Speaker 2: she's an introvert herself, so she wants she doesn't want 480 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:38,000 Speaker 2: she's not going to be like this very out there 481 00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:41,439 Speaker 2: person who's giving us all this info. She's an artist, like, 482 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:43,800 Speaker 2: she doesn't want people to have access to her in 483 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:46,240 Speaker 2: her personal life. She wants to be with her close 484 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:48,760 Speaker 2: friends and her small net group and her family. Probably 485 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:51,240 Speaker 2: you know, that is what I identify with that a lot, 486 00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:54,320 Speaker 2: like I don't. It's overwhelming the rest of it, and 487 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:57,240 Speaker 2: unless you were made for that, like unless you were 488 00:22:57,280 --> 00:23:00,800 Speaker 2: just chasing fame and you're not actually looking for it 489 00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:04,200 Speaker 2: from a place of like I want to attention these Yeah, 490 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:06,760 Speaker 2: if you want the attention, attentions, not trying to do 491 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:09,639 Speaker 2: just the talent or like for me, it was always 492 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:12,720 Speaker 2: connecting with people like I so enjoyed that about being 493 00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:15,400 Speaker 2: on a TV show was that I got to then 494 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:18,040 Speaker 2: meet all these people that I would have never met. 495 00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 2: That's why I like social media. It's like hearing people 496 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:24,120 Speaker 2: who have similar stories to me. But they live in Germany, 497 00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:27,480 Speaker 2: you know, Like that's so my heart like thrives on 498 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:30,959 Speaker 2: that stuff. Yeah, but what I didn't like was the 499 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:34,480 Speaker 2: piece of like you get so cut down even if 500 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:36,720 Speaker 2: your intention is something different, like I don't care about 501 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:37,560 Speaker 2: attention like that. 502 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:38,600 Speaker 1: I've never been like that. 503 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:42,200 Speaker 3: I think that's the problem is that most people assume 504 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:46,160 Speaker 3: that it is about attention because of course most people 505 00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:51,199 Speaker 3: don't have the talent and myself included the talent or 506 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:55,159 Speaker 3: the drive to do what Chapel Roone and Beyonce and 507 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 3: these like world class entertainers do, right, And then we 508 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:03,600 Speaker 3: can flate what they're doing, which is presenting their art 509 00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:07,120 Speaker 3: in a very public forum and because it's as good 510 00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:08,840 Speaker 3: as it is, lots of people want to see it. 511 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:11,800 Speaker 3: We conflate that with wanting attention because they're standing on 512 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:15,359 Speaker 3: stage and publicly doing it. No, but you're so like, 513 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:17,879 Speaker 3: attention is not what they want. They're sending you a 514 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:21,680 Speaker 3: message through their art and that's that's it. That's all 515 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:23,640 Speaker 3: that they care about. Yeah. 516 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:25,959 Speaker 2: But even like in astrology, if we want to take 517 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:27,439 Speaker 2: it back to astrology, if you want to take it 518 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:31,160 Speaker 2: to personality tests, whatever, there are certain people who are 519 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:35,919 Speaker 2: genuinely wired to entertain like they come into this world 520 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:39,199 Speaker 2: as a performer, you know, and like they know in 521 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:41,800 Speaker 2: their heart, Like I truly believe this about certain people 522 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:44,639 Speaker 2: I've been around, Like like justin Timberlake, for instance. We 523 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:46,960 Speaker 2: mentioned him earlier, like when you and I were talking. 524 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:49,720 Speaker 2: I met him like a long time ago, and I 525 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:53,200 Speaker 2: just was like, as a person, whatever, it's fine, it's whatever, 526 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:56,080 Speaker 2: But like you can be around him for five minutes 527 00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:58,080 Speaker 2: and know that he was born to be on a stage, 528 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:01,680 Speaker 2: like right, literally just born to do exactly what he's doing. 529 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:04,879 Speaker 2: And I would feel like all of those big pop 530 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:08,480 Speaker 2: stars are big, massive artists and entertainers that we know 531 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:11,359 Speaker 2: are wired exactly the same, you know, And that's something 532 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 2: different though, You're right, like of course they want attention 533 00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:18,679 Speaker 2: and like to know that what they're doing is hitting 534 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:21,840 Speaker 2: and it's working. And obviously it's a business too, so 535 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:25,240 Speaker 2: like you need sales to keep things going. But that's 536 00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:29,720 Speaker 2: still very different chasing fame in the ways that I 537 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:33,840 Speaker 2: think we're seeing like even on social media or reality 538 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:36,200 Speaker 2: TV or whatever, Like it's just different. 539 00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:40,720 Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, it's just a whole different mentality. And you 540 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:44,480 Speaker 3: know there, look, I'm not trying to shit on reality TV. 541 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:46,639 Speaker 3: I just say, those are those places for also a 542 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:50,119 Speaker 3: very different thing because there's also the versions of reality 543 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:53,320 Speaker 3: TV that teach you things, you know, any of those 544 00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:57,960 Speaker 3: HGTV things or the you know, Magnolia Network things that 545 00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:02,240 Speaker 3: like that's reality television. You know, it's unscripted, it's there's 546 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:08,159 Speaker 3: actually some skill and craft and talent in that. Yeah, 547 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:11,840 Speaker 3: but you know, the Housewives is a different thing. It's 548 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:14,560 Speaker 3: just rich women fighting with each other and getting drunk, 549 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:17,880 Speaker 3: and yes, is it entertaining. Yeah, it entertains a lot 550 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:21,920 Speaker 3: of people. But are those all I don't know. 551 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,639 Speaker 2: That the thing that I will say, And like, I 552 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:27,439 Speaker 2: know people hate on reality TV people, but obviously because 553 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:29,680 Speaker 2: of my experience, I was around a lot of them, 554 00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:31,520 Speaker 2: not even just on my show, Like we would go 555 00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:33,520 Speaker 2: do events and stuff where I would meet other ones. 556 00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:37,600 Speaker 2: And I gotta tell you, like p there are people 557 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:40,680 Speaker 2: who are made for that too, and they make TV. 558 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:41,360 Speaker 3: Yeah. 559 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:43,800 Speaker 2: And I remember sitting there going it is interesting that 560 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:46,399 Speaker 2: no one thinks this is a talent. It is like 561 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:48,280 Speaker 2: I wasn't actually very good at that. 562 00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:51,760 Speaker 3: Like is it a talent or is it a personality trait? 563 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:54,240 Speaker 2: It's a personality trade. It's a skill set though, but 564 00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:57,280 Speaker 2: like they're good in interviews. They can give good soundbites. 565 00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:01,160 Speaker 2: I mean there are some skills to it, Like they're entertaining, 566 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:04,359 Speaker 2: almost in the way that more like a comedian would 567 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:05,520 Speaker 2: be entertaining, you know. 568 00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:07,880 Speaker 1: What I mean. Like, yeah, it's part of that. 569 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,280 Speaker 2: It's an entertainer. And there's good people. Like there's a 570 00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:13,560 Speaker 2: girl on our show called named Shannon. Shannon is good TV. 571 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:16,680 Speaker 2: Like whether you like her, you don't like her, you're 572 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:19,800 Speaker 2: invested in something she's doing, and like that is a 573 00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:22,040 Speaker 2: good reality TV person. And then she knows how to 574 00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:26,040 Speaker 2: She's now maximized she was on one season. She's maximized 575 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:29,200 Speaker 2: it more than anybody. Yeah, because she was probably made 576 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:29,639 Speaker 2: to do that. 577 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:40,360 Speaker 3: I don't know if we've talked about this, but when 578 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:43,280 Speaker 3: I worked for the Virgin Megastores, I did one episode 579 00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:48,719 Speaker 3: of the Jana stickts In modeling agency. Yeah, and it 580 00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:50,800 Speaker 3: was you know, I was just doing my job, and 581 00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:53,199 Speaker 3: it was we did a partnership with them where her 582 00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:56,680 Speaker 3: models did a we introduced clothing to the store because 583 00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:59,639 Speaker 3: music wasn't selling, and we did a fashion show. And 584 00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:04,480 Speaker 3: that woman was born to do it, Yes, and it's 585 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:06,919 Speaker 3: was born to do it and It's like for me, 586 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,879 Speaker 3: I wasn't used to being on camera, so it was 587 00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:13,000 Speaker 3: really I was nervous, but also just trying to get 588 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:15,880 Speaker 3: my job done because that's really what was most important 589 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:19,639 Speaker 3: for me, while also trying to placate the television production 590 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:22,359 Speaker 3: company because they were trying to make a show. And 591 00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:26,680 Speaker 3: she's just creating drama and she's like, the camera would 592 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:28,800 Speaker 3: be on it, she'd be screaming at my face and 593 00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:32,000 Speaker 3: winking out of the eye that the camera can't see, 594 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:36,160 Speaker 3: and I'm just like, this is insanity because I'm being 595 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:38,080 Speaker 3: yelled at on camera and I know it's about to 596 00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:42,320 Speaker 3: be on television, so I'm like trying to not be humiliated. 597 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:46,440 Speaker 3: And she's like holding my hand with this wink, being 598 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:50,080 Speaker 3: like it's just showbiz, baby, you know, like just giving 599 00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:52,920 Speaker 3: me a little bit of reassurance. So, yes, there are 600 00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:54,920 Speaker 3: there are definitely people that are cut out to do it. 601 00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:57,520 Speaker 3: Why do I think that's a talent. 602 00:28:58,200 --> 00:28:59,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know what it is. 603 00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,680 Speaker 3: I don't know it's but I just think we I mean, 604 00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:05,360 Speaker 3: we live in a time now where this type of 605 00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:07,840 Speaker 3: television is available, and it used not to be. It 606 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:11,520 Speaker 3: used to take groups of incredibly talented people that were 607 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:14,720 Speaker 3: like creating ideas that no one had thought before, and 608 00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:19,560 Speaker 3: writing jokes or writing drama and shooting and editing and 609 00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:23,440 Speaker 3: acting and playing these things. And obviously it's like anything 610 00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:25,640 Speaker 3: that you create a thin air has to be based 611 00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:27,800 Speaker 3: in some sort of reality, Like you have to know 612 00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:31,280 Speaker 3: these personality traits of people. So it's like just a 613 00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:32,560 Speaker 3: shortcut to that. 614 00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:34,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, why it just as. 615 00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:36,200 Speaker 3: Entertained, right. 616 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,120 Speaker 2: I was just gonna say, because we were talking before 617 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:40,480 Speaker 2: the podcast about how I think a lot of people 618 00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:46,880 Speaker 2: thought the celebrity influenced during the political or oh my god, 619 00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:50,120 Speaker 2: politics politically. I get so nervous talking about this topic 620 00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:51,480 Speaker 2: that I can't even say the word. 621 00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:54,080 Speaker 1: No. 622 00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:57,840 Speaker 2: But like anything before the presidential election, I think people 623 00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,800 Speaker 2: thought there might be more weight from what celebrity said, 624 00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:04,560 Speaker 2: and then we obviously saw that there wasn't because like massive, 625 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:09,520 Speaker 2: people like Taylor Swift usually have a big sway when 626 00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:12,400 Speaker 2: they release their opinion. And obviously it didn't do anything. 627 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:14,840 Speaker 3: I did some reading. Harvard did a study on it 628 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:18,800 Speaker 3: this year and their findings. Their findings was, and I 629 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:20,920 Speaker 3: agree with you, that's what it feels like. Their finding 630 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:24,440 Speaker 3: was interesting because they said differently, but it doesn't what 631 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:27,840 Speaker 3: they don't really what celebrities and historically, like this goes 632 00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:30,280 Speaker 3: back to the nineteen twenties when the first celebrity like 633 00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:32,000 Speaker 3: threw his name in the hat to like help a 634 00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:36,280 Speaker 3: senator win and has been going on ever since. But 635 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:41,400 Speaker 3: what it does mostly is it drives engagement. So you 636 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:45,000 Speaker 3: see more voter registration, you see more voter turnout, you 637 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:48,440 Speaker 3: see those sorts of things, but it doesn't necessarily make 638 00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:51,719 Speaker 3: people change their minds. They are going to vote. And 639 00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:54,760 Speaker 3: the crazy thing is, out of the fifty developed nations 640 00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:58,320 Speaker 3: democracies in the world that have voting, voter turnout in 641 00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:01,440 Speaker 3: America is number thirty one one. Like, our voter turnout 642 00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:01,920 Speaker 3: is shit. 643 00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:03,320 Speaker 1: It's like this wild. 644 00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:06,160 Speaker 2: I would think, especially when it's so divisive and everyone 645 00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:08,600 Speaker 2: seems to be arguing about it constantly, that it would 646 00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:09,240 Speaker 2: have gotten higher. 647 00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:11,240 Speaker 3: A lot of people think their vote doesn't matter. There's 648 00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:14,160 Speaker 3: a lot of like distrust in the system, So that 649 00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:17,400 Speaker 3: makes sense really really, it was interesting reading about it 650 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:19,360 Speaker 3: in this Harvard and it's like fifty pages long, so 651 00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:22,040 Speaker 3: I didn't get through the whole thing. So, but you 652 00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:25,400 Speaker 3: know what they said was it's often more beneficial to 653 00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:30,000 Speaker 3: the celebrity than it is to the politician, oh, because 654 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:35,400 Speaker 3: it solidifies sort of your moral stance on certain things. 655 00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:39,000 Speaker 3: And this doesn't this isn't even just about the politics. 656 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,880 Speaker 3: It's like, even if you're aligning with a charity, it 657 00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:44,480 Speaker 3: makes your fan base understands you and know you better 658 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:47,000 Speaker 3: and know where you stand on certain things. So you 659 00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:49,200 Speaker 3: have to be really careful because if you align with 660 00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:52,920 Speaker 3: something that doesn't that perfectly align with your values, you 661 00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:56,200 Speaker 3: could ostracize thout a million of your fans and it 662 00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:59,440 Speaker 3: could be a one, really easy misstep. So I'm going 663 00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:01,320 Speaker 3: to read through the whole thing actually, because I think 664 00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:04,080 Speaker 3: for what I do. You know, we get requests all 665 00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:05,760 Speaker 3: the time for our artists, Hey will. 666 00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:06,120 Speaker 4: You do this? 667 00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:08,200 Speaker 3: And it's like you read it and it feels good, 668 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:11,480 Speaker 3: the email feels good. Yes, I'll talk to the artist 669 00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:13,640 Speaker 3: about it. But I think there's a lot more power 670 00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:17,320 Speaker 3: in what you're saying no to because you know, most 671 00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:20,080 Speaker 3: charities are doing something good. It's going to feel good, 672 00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:24,640 Speaker 3: but you can your efforts can be so much more 673 00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:28,120 Speaker 3: greatly felt and heard if it's something that you truly 674 00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:29,000 Speaker 3: fucking believe in. 675 00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:32,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that makes because I'll feel that authenticity. Yeah, Yeah, 676 00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:34,600 Speaker 2: Well I think authenticity. I want to get back to that. 677 00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:36,440 Speaker 2: I want to say one more thing about the politics thing. 678 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,280 Speaker 2: What I just was realizing as we were talking about 679 00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:42,000 Speaker 2: this is like we mentioned Taylor Swift and this has 680 00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:43,760 Speaker 2: nothing to do with it. Whatever way you voted, I 681 00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:46,760 Speaker 2: don't actually have anything to say about that at this point, 682 00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:48,600 Speaker 2: but like I don't know anyway. Yeah, I mean, it's 683 00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:50,840 Speaker 2: it is what it is. So but like what we 684 00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:55,960 Speaker 2: didn't think about was any celebrity going against Donald Trump 685 00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:58,400 Speaker 2: is actually going against someone who talk about someone who's 686 00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:01,800 Speaker 2: good at fucking TV. Like, do you remember he's also 687 00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:03,040 Speaker 2: a reality. 688 00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:05,160 Speaker 3: Star reality show. 689 00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:07,640 Speaker 2: I mean he is reality TV. He's like one of 690 00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:11,280 Speaker 2: the ogs of reality TV with the Apprentice, like Yafayad. 691 00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:15,320 Speaker 2: I mean he literally he was a person that we 692 00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:17,960 Speaker 2: were drawn to for those same reasons that I'm saying, 693 00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:20,000 Speaker 2: and he's just now taking it into politics. But he's 694 00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:23,760 Speaker 2: doing the same antics. Yeah, it's the same thing, like 695 00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:26,880 Speaker 2: has a fan base now, is what it is. Like 696 00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:29,560 Speaker 2: I don't even know if this is like about politics anymore. 697 00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:33,800 Speaker 2: It feels like it's very similar. So again, celebrity is 698 00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:39,200 Speaker 2: different in some weird ways. Like it's not that I 699 00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:42,520 Speaker 2: actually don't think it's as much as like I thought 700 00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:45,360 Speaker 2: it was about that I didn't care about artists and 701 00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:48,080 Speaker 2: stuff anymore. I just think there's so many different types 702 00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:51,760 Speaker 2: of famous people now, and you can be famous on 703 00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:55,440 Speaker 2: TikTok just as equally as you're famous because you have 704 00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:59,480 Speaker 2: some amazing voice, you know, and so, but it's like 705 00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:03,000 Speaker 2: it doesn't one doesn't really necessarily like mean, anything's different 706 00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:05,880 Speaker 2: about the other. But I wonder if it's similar to 707 00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:09,840 Speaker 2: everything else where everything is so oversaturated, Like there's so 708 00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:13,239 Speaker 2: many anyone can be famous now, So it's like there's 709 00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:16,800 Speaker 2: so much of it that maybe you aren't as excited 710 00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:20,120 Speaker 2: when your new artist drops an album because there's someone 711 00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:22,560 Speaker 2: who's been dropping shit on TikTok for you know, it's 712 00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:22,839 Speaker 2: just like. 713 00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:24,120 Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, so you don't even know 714 00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:27,279 Speaker 3: about it because there's so much shit coming at you 715 00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:31,400 Speaker 3: that like there's it's amazing to me. I'm you know, 716 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:34,000 Speaker 3: I can't keep up anymore. And I was the guy 717 00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,279 Speaker 3: that knew every fucking show that was coming to town. 718 00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:39,359 Speaker 3: Like there's just so much information coming at us from 719 00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:43,799 Speaker 3: every direction, right that, I mean, I really do. I 720 00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:47,920 Speaker 3: think it's like fame has been diluted because it's so saturated. 721 00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:49,960 Speaker 1: A good word, yeah. 722 00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:51,719 Speaker 3: Because you know you meant again not to harp on 723 00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:54,320 Speaker 3: this girl Taylor, who I don't know, but like I 724 00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:55,120 Speaker 3: don't know she is. 725 00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:57,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, she's a pretty question mark. 726 00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:00,800 Speaker 3: Everything is so much the silence are smaller. 727 00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:04,080 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, so like is she a celebrity question mark? 728 00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:07,840 Speaker 2: And I look at the list of all these actual 729 00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:10,359 Speaker 2: really famous people and I was like, oh my god, 730 00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:11,440 Speaker 2: Taylor's gonna be. 731 00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:15,760 Speaker 3: Here, right, But that's because maybe maybe it's because it's niche, 732 00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:17,600 Speaker 3: and you were like, oh my god, I love her 733 00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:20,879 Speaker 3: and there's something exciting about that, you. 734 00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:23,799 Speaker 2: Know, Like I was saying, like curiosity with people like 735 00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:27,440 Speaker 2: that too, I'm just so curious. And that was when 736 00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:30,200 Speaker 2: I it was literally I was leaving the building and 737 00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:32,399 Speaker 2: she was standing waiting for her car with like two 738 00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:35,120 Speaker 2: other girls like her people to get picked up at 739 00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,839 Speaker 2: that valet area, and I was like walking out with 740 00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:40,879 Speaker 2: my kit and I split for a split second, was like, oh, 741 00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:42,759 Speaker 2: should I take a picture with her? Just it's like 742 00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:44,839 Speaker 2: how we did with the Hawk Tuba girl, like just 743 00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:47,680 Speaker 2: to have it. But it's not because I'm almost I'm like, 744 00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:50,120 Speaker 2: oh my god, oh my god, I love you so much, 745 00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:52,360 Speaker 2: and I'm like, you know, I'm doing the like, what's 746 00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:57,960 Speaker 2: that praising motion? Like it's it's not that energy. It's like, yeah, 747 00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:01,200 Speaker 2: it's a different kind of energy. Like if I if 748 00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:03,919 Speaker 2: a Beyonce was standing there and I had walked out, 749 00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:06,160 Speaker 2: I would have never even considered in my brain to 750 00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:07,400 Speaker 2: take a picture with her because I'd be like, oh, 751 00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:11,680 Speaker 2: going like a starstruck, you know, so fun. So it's 752 00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:14,680 Speaker 2: just interesting. I guess it's the accessibility, It's all of it. 753 00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,680 Speaker 2: I sent you a clip though, speaking of social media 754 00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:20,720 Speaker 2: for Maggie Rogers, who I love. She's a great artist. 755 00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:22,960 Speaker 2: She discussed this too. This has just kind of been 756 00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,879 Speaker 2: pinging in my circle a lot. But she said it's 757 00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:29,359 Speaker 2: almost easier to be a famous person now because you're 758 00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:33,080 Speaker 2: basically only famous for a news cycle. Like She's like, 759 00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:35,960 Speaker 2: when I drop an album, I'm really famous for a week, 760 00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:38,799 Speaker 2: and then you know, like the next week, when my 761 00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:41,719 Speaker 2: album is not necessarily like killing it the same way, 762 00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:44,680 Speaker 2: or it's not just being released, I'm back to normal. 763 00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:47,280 Speaker 2: I can go to a coffee shop and nobody's saying anything. 764 00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:49,200 Speaker 2: She's like, I'm playing Madison Square Garden one night and 765 00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:51,240 Speaker 2: then I go sit outside at a coffee shop, nobody 766 00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:54,920 Speaker 2: even blink twice, Like it's just yeah, it's just a 767 00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:57,800 Speaker 2: very interesting shift in our culture. 768 00:36:57,840 --> 00:36:58,200 Speaker 1: I think. 769 00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:01,560 Speaker 3: Well, I think it's interesting too that. Like to hear 770 00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:04,400 Speaker 3: her say, because you shared the clip with me, she 771 00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:06,960 Speaker 3: said something like, you know, I was sitting out having 772 00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,959 Speaker 3: a latte and not a single person like blink, deny, 773 00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:12,520 Speaker 3: And she's like, it's the best thing in the world. 774 00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:13,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's. 775 00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:15,840 Speaker 3: The difference that, to me, is the difference between someone 776 00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:19,080 Speaker 3: building a really big career off of the need to 777 00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:22,400 Speaker 3: create art and put something out in the world versus 778 00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:23,360 Speaker 3: wanting to be famous. 779 00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:26,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's because her desire was like I just. 780 00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:29,120 Speaker 3: Want anonymity, but I also need to get up on 781 00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:30,400 Speaker 3: stage and sing these songs. 782 00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:33,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, because it's her passion and she's her passion. Yeah, 783 00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:35,280 Speaker 1: it's so interesting. 784 00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:38,120 Speaker 2: Well, Tally says in twenty twenty five, it's not going away, 785 00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:42,239 Speaker 2: and actually we will want to know more about like 786 00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:45,680 Speaker 2: celeb couples, but in a broken down kind of way, 787 00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:47,480 Speaker 2: not in like we want to see them on the 788 00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:49,319 Speaker 2: red carpet, but we want to see what they're doing 789 00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:52,200 Speaker 2: at home, like Selena Gomez is when she referenced it 790 00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:54,720 Speaker 2: a lot with her relationship with is it Benny Blanco? 791 00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:57,239 Speaker 1: Is that his name? Yeah, But they do a lot of. 792 00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:59,520 Speaker 2: Like posting from the couch kind of thing, and I 793 00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:02,160 Speaker 2: think people want that insider peak. So I think this 794 00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:05,080 Speaker 2: is where we're getting confused. I'm like, what's a celebrity, 795 00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:08,160 Speaker 2: what's just a person chasing attention? What's a because it's 796 00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:10,520 Speaker 2: it all kind of does seem to mesh together, and 797 00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:14,480 Speaker 2: I think overall, it's just that famous people or fame 798 00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:18,280 Speaker 2: in general, has broadened, and the ways that we're able 799 00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:22,560 Speaker 2: to become famous in this generation are completely different than 800 00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:24,160 Speaker 2: what they want when you and I were coming up. 801 00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:26,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, So anyway, it's. 802 00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:29,319 Speaker 2: Not going away, So lean in. I guess I'm just 803 00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:31,480 Speaker 2: curious what you guys think. So always, you can email 804 00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:33,720 Speaker 2: us at the Edge at velvetage dot com if anything 805 00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:36,440 Speaker 2: we said pinged something for you or like, what are 806 00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:39,719 Speaker 2: y'all experiencing? What is y'all's take on this? You can 807 00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:42,239 Speaker 2: always hit us up on Instagram as well. I'm at velvet. 808 00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:44,840 Speaker 3: Edge, Chip, I'm at Chip door shop. 809 00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:48,359 Speaker 1: Dr sc I was gonna say, you got real close. 810 00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:51,040 Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, I got close to the lowered your voice. 811 00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:53,399 Speaker 3: I'm on a different I'm recording from LA, so I'm 812 00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:55,200 Speaker 3: not not in my normal situation. 813 00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:59,759 Speaker 1: So so what does that happen voice? 814 00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:01,800 Speaker 3: I don't know. I'm on the prowl. 815 00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:05,640 Speaker 1: It brings out a different side. 816 00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:09,399 Speaker 3: Yes, all right. 817 00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:11,080 Speaker 2: Well, as you guys go into the weekend and you're 818 00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:13,200 Speaker 2: living on the edge, I hope you always remember too. 819 00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:21,440 Speaker 3: Bye casual, Bye,