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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of Big Blue Kick Off Live

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Speaker 1: presented by Coors Light right here on Giants dot Com.

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Speaker 1: I am John Smelt. I left this Paul to Tino.

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Speaker 1: The phone number is four to one four five on three.

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Speaker 1: Hashtag Giants Chat on Twitter. If you want to get

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Speaker 1: in touch of that way you can thanks to being

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Speaker 1: with this Paul. How was your weekend? I'm not bad, John,

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Speaker 1: you know, being a Yankees fan like you and I

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Speaker 1: both are. They lost the first two in Chicago, but

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Speaker 1: came back with a vengeance and got the last two

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Speaker 1: of the series and make a big trade for incornocone,

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Speaker 1: which means obviously can Frasier is on the way out,

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Speaker 1: but he's gonna be packaged for a big time Ace picture.

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Speaker 1: You know that's gonna have to be a part of

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Speaker 1: a bigger package. Of course, it's gonna be like Frasier

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Speaker 1: and maybe Chance Adams or maybe a Tarpley and they

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Speaker 1: better keep going. And then it's gonna be to nineteen

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Speaker 1: year old guys who throw nine in single a okay,

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Speaker 1: and you put those four guys together and you're gonna

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Speaker 1: get someone like Bomb Gardner, who's gonna be a rental anyway,

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Speaker 1: cost more than that. I'm just warning you think. So,

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Speaker 1: how was your Father's Day? Okay, how about you? That

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Speaker 1: was fun? I know complaints it was. It was just

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Speaker 1: kind of mellow. I didn't do anything the same type

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Speaker 1: of typical. I want to go see Godzilla, but I

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Speaker 1: didn't do it. Yeah, I have that on my list

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Speaker 1: for this week. I want to go see Godzilla too.

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Speaker 1: I didn't get a chance. Yes, big Godzilla. Anyway, all right,

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Speaker 1: here we go. That was not a very good interpretation

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Speaker 1: of Godzilla. But that's okay. Uh, Paul, we were kind

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Speaker 1: of poking around the web today as we try to

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Speaker 1: figure out kind of what to talk about the course

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Speaker 1: of the next five weeks before camp gets here. We'll

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Speaker 1: do our season previews. As we talked to reporters that

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Speaker 1: cover the Giants opponents. That starts I think next week

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Speaker 1: if i'm not which is next Monday. But until then,

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Speaker 1: we got to kind of figure out different things to discuss,

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Speaker 1: and Paul, I thought a good thing to discussed it

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Speaker 1: in you kind of found the article on ESPN. Bill Barnwell,

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Speaker 1: who does a lot of football on and UH analysis

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Speaker 1: for them, and he does a lot of analytic stuff,

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Speaker 1: had his list of things that NFL teams might still

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Speaker 1: try to do over the course of the summer before

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Speaker 1: camp gets here. So talk about what he has for

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Speaker 1: the New York Football Giants. Well, he's got two things,

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Speaker 1: and I think one is clearly more pressing than the other.

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Speaker 1: One is to establish a success in because succession plan

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Speaker 1: for Daniel Jones. I don't necessarily think that one is imminent.

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Speaker 1: I think that one can just flow organically and naturally.

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Speaker 1: I don't think they need to decide, Okay, this is

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Speaker 1: when he's got to be able to to move into

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Speaker 1: the lineup. I think that will all be determined by

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Speaker 1: a number of factors that you and I have discussed

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Speaker 1: at infinite um. So I don't think that plan is

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Speaker 1: something that they need to worry about. So I would

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Speaker 1: disagree with him on number one. Well, can I throw

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Speaker 1: something out there on the moment before we move on? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: to me, I think the plans there, I mean, I

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Speaker 1: don't know the plan is to be organic. About more

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Speaker 1: of a plan, I mean, I think I don't know

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Speaker 1: how organic it is. Here's the bottom line. If the

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Speaker 1: Giants are in the playoff race and Eli Manning is

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Speaker 1: playing well, he's the starter. Once one of those two

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Speaker 1: things goes away, then you start having discussions. It's really

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Speaker 1: that simple. I mean, you're not gonna, you know, put

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Speaker 1: you know, if Eli doesn't throwt of this completion percentage

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Speaker 1: of it just's been the yards per game, the team

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Speaker 1: doesn't win next number. I mean, I think in that

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Speaker 1: way it is organic. But I think you understand what

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Speaker 1: this year, and you just kind of have to figure

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Speaker 1: out along the way exactly when those thresholds are hit.

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Speaker 1: Is it's not going to be this you know, thick

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Speaker 1: red line that you understand all right now, this is

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Speaker 1: when we make the change. Well, and that's the whole

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Speaker 1: key to this thing is that there doesn't have to

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Speaker 1: be a timetable on it. There can be a framework

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Speaker 1: or a philosophy, which is what we've talked about. That's fine.

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Speaker 1: It will be determined by conditions, not time exactly exactly

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Speaker 1: that that's the best way to put it, John, And

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Speaker 1: so anyway, that's his number one thing for the Giants,

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Speaker 1: which is there. His number two things for the Giants

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Speaker 1: is to add an edge rusher, which we've also discussed

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Speaker 1: is the biggest holes still left on their checklist. Now,

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Speaker 1: one name he throws out there is Nick Perry, outsideline backer,

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Speaker 1: you'd have to go back to two thousand sixteen too,

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Speaker 1: on the depth chart. Here's what I'm gonna say that

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Speaker 1: a flagpole for saying it. It's not that they don't

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Speaker 1: need more edge rushers, they need an impact pass rusher.

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Speaker 1: That's the difference. If you could tell me I can

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Speaker 1: go out there and sign a guy, I know I'm

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Speaker 1: do I go? Get you up and ride? Let's do this.

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Speaker 1: They don't exist, No, they're not out there, So do

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Speaker 1: I wanna? I mean, is Nick Perry any better than

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Speaker 1: Cree Martin or Marcus Golden? I don't think so, right,

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Speaker 1: And that's my point. So why would I want to

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Speaker 1: doesn't make any sense to me. So unless I'm adding

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Speaker 1: somebody that I know is really good already and it's

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Speaker 1: better than the other veterans on the roster, I'm going

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Speaker 1: with the guys that I got. I agree. I think

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Speaker 1: So what what good is it? I'm I'm with you,

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Speaker 1: and yeah, it's a good question, and I probably should

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Speaker 1: But you're gonna have trouble fitting all the young guys

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Speaker 1: might be tough. No, those young guys reps as they

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Speaker 1: I don't don't know. If I see an obvious spot

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Speaker 1: the free agent tackles John. It's just it's just it's

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Speaker 1: it's a studiums it. I mean, you know, you're talking

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Speaker 1: I mean that that doesn't make a lot of sense.

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Speaker 1: He barely has anything. Last Trader still a free agent, Uh,

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Speaker 1: back to you're talking about Anthony Davis. My suspicion is

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Speaker 1: interested in terms of a backup offensive lineman, swing guard

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Speaker 1: Corey Robinson was still out there on the street after

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Speaker 1: the Jaguars got rid of him. No, that's a different

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Speaker 1: guy you're thinking of this one. This this Corey Robbins.

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Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. I'm just not sure there's a

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Speaker 1: don't know that these guys on this list are are

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Speaker 1: really worth it anyway for fun, Yeah, go ahead, let's

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Speaker 1: their list. Um, we'll start at the top of his list,

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Speaker 1: which I guess it goes alphabetically, so uh. For the Cowboys,

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Speaker 1: signed Dak Prescott and Amari Cooper too extensions, which I

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Speaker 1: that Prescott negotiations just got a little bit wonky with

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Speaker 1: even though Prescott is not the player car Soon Wentz is.

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Speaker 1: matter of of of how big that salary is gonna be. Well,

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Speaker 1: around somewhere in the same area. But I do like

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Speaker 1: the depth is. Granted, it's not experienced, but Curtis probably,

426
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Speaker 1: if I'm not mistaken, was an experienced player. He just

427
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Speaker 1: wasn't that good of a player. You're being very kind.

428
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Speaker 1: I hear these words depth and experience on the show

429
00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:26,040
Speaker 1: a lot Lance depth, that's his favorite word. You're right,

430
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Speaker 1: it's the question, Paul, Paul, Paul, that's your thing, is experience.

431
00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:34,440
Speaker 1: I just think that talent somewhere blends in between the two.

432
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Speaker 1: You know, experience the school, but without talent, you know,

433
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Speaker 1: what are we doing with it? And I feel like

434
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Speaker 1: I don't see how as a Giant fan you can't

435
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Speaker 1: see an improvement. Maybe they're not great, but it's better

436
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Speaker 1: than the three and thirteen team we failed it, better

437
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Speaker 1: than the five and eleven team we failed it. Whether

438
00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:59,359
Speaker 1: Eli Manning plays sixteen game Daniel Jones plays eight, and

439
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Speaker 1: I'm a fans, you know, I like the side of

440
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Speaker 1: the helmet, not the name on the back. I just

441
00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:07,480
Speaker 1: don't see how any Giant fans can look at the

442
00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:10,439
Speaker 1: team that were filled in this year and we have

443
00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:13,160
Speaker 1: not gotten better than we've been in the last year. Look.

444
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Speaker 1: I like your optimism, and I think in a lot

445
00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:18,040
Speaker 1: of the ways, you're right. The offensive line is better. Obviously,

446
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Speaker 1: Barkley is an improvement over the running backs that were

447
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Speaker 1: here before. Um I think defensively is where you're running

448
00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:26,400
Speaker 1: some issues, and obviously the pass rushers on the outside

449
00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:28,879
Speaker 1: they have right now are not as good as JPP

450
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Speaker 1: and Olive Vernon. They're just not Could they get there

451
00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:34,119
Speaker 1: someday shore but are they there now? No? Um, what

452
00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:39,280
Speaker 1: will one of the young cornerbacks play better than Eli

453
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Speaker 1: Apple did in his third year? I think it's possible

454
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Speaker 1: that DeAndre Baker does. Do I know what's going to

455
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Speaker 1: happen for sure? Not sure I can necessarily say that.

456
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Speaker 1: And I think you don't know if one of your

457
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Speaker 1: young big guys is gonna be necessarily as good as

458
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Speaker 1: Snacks in the middle either at least term of stopping

459
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Speaker 1: the run. So I think those are your questions. Go ahead,

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Speaker 1: say one thing what you just said. Yes, I agree

461
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Speaker 1: with you that we don't know for sure everything that

462
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Speaker 1: we're doing right now speculations. But even if let's say

463
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Speaker 1: the young corner is not better than Eli Apple, can

464
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Speaker 1: we say that we can't at least agree that if

465
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Speaker 1: the drop off can't be that far, Yeah, the drop

466
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Speaker 1: off won't be that big of a gap on defensive

467
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Speaker 1: linebacker and the path rush. But I'm just looking at

468
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Speaker 1: what we've done the last two years. We were burning,

469
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Speaker 1: and we had JPP, we still weren't getting home. So

470
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Speaker 1: weren't making up for that gap. I just feel like

471
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Speaker 1: with the youth and the change, I just don't see how,

472
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Speaker 1: at least on the defensive back end, we haven't gotten

473
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Speaker 1: better to help the path rush somewhat to hold down

474
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Speaker 1: the fort. Maybe one more second, you're you're making a

475
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Speaker 1: lot of sense. Look, here's the drill that I go

476
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Speaker 1: through every year, and it would be helpful if you

477
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Speaker 1: do it, and would give you a better perspective and

478
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Speaker 1: anybody else who wants to argue with you. What you

479
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Speaker 1: do is you go to each unit and you say, okay,

480
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Speaker 1: look this is where that unit stands. There are holes

481
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Speaker 1: or there are not holes. If there are holes, then

482
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Speaker 1: you say, okay, who are the guys on the roster?

483
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Speaker 1: Can you realistically expect any of these guys to be functional?

484
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Speaker 1: Can they be? Okay? That's what you have to do.

485
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Speaker 1: If you have numbers like like the giants do. Let's

486
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Speaker 1: say along the um, I don't know. Let's say I

487
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Speaker 1: don't know. Pick a pick, pick pick a position safety.

488
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Speaker 1: You want to pick safety. They got peppers, they got bathet,

489
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Speaker 1: they got Michael Thomas, they got Sean Chandler. I mean,

490
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Speaker 1: just to start off, you're like Okay, is the safety

491
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Speaker 1: position gonna be Okay, Well, they got numbers. I would

492
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Speaker 1: say it's realistic to expect at least two of those guys,

493
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Speaker 1: probably more, but at least two of them are going

494
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Speaker 1: to be functional, good enough, competent. Okay. Then you said

495
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Speaker 1: to yourself, all right, now, look at the linebackers. And

496
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Speaker 1: then you say, all right, well you got golden, uh,

497
00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:11,320
Speaker 1: you got good Sin. You're not going you got gold

498
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Speaker 1: and you got good Sin, you got Ogletree, you got

499
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Speaker 1: you know, you're starting naming guy Ziminez Lorenzo Carter, and

500
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Speaker 1: you say, okay, do you have enough good enough guys.

501
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Speaker 1: That's where it gets a little thin, because now you

502
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:29,320
Speaker 1: just now you just don't know. Okay, So so do

503
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Speaker 1: that for every unit. And and here's the problem. In

504
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Speaker 1: most of the last six or seven years, if you

505
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:40,680
Speaker 1: played that game with the Giants roster, you would have

506
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Speaker 1: at least one unit where you shook your head and

507
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Speaker 1: you said, they're on a left realistic answers. There, there, there, there, there, no,

508
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Speaker 1: this is not gonna go. Well, but but right now

509
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Speaker 1: it's really the linebacker spot that's the only one. And

510
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Speaker 1: I'm considering that as the pass rush. The pass rush.

511
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Speaker 1: I'm considering that in the three four the pass rush

512
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Speaker 1: is supposed to be coming more from your linebackers. That

513
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Speaker 1: to me is the only one right now where I'm

514
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Speaker 1: not sure that they have enough of guys who might

515
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Speaker 1: realistically be a functional answer. I agree with that. I

516
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Speaker 1: agree with that. I'm gonna close out. I know you

517
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Speaker 1: guys got all the callers, uh, and I appreciate your

518
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Speaker 1: time and taking taking my call. Um sure. I just

519
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Speaker 1: wanted to say also that when the way you just

520
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Speaker 1: broke it down for makes perfect sense, and if you

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Speaker 1: look at it the way you just said, I agree

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Speaker 1: that linebacker is the most suspect position by that criteria.

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Speaker 1: I just also feel like going forward in the next

524
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Speaker 1: two years, between you and money, I feel like we're

525
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Speaker 1: in good shape to help fill some of those holes

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Speaker 1: with more youth without blowing a lot of money. I

527
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Speaker 1: just feel like we're in a good position. As a

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Speaker 1: Giant fan, like I said, I don't see how you're

529
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Speaker 1: coming into this year more angry then you were going

530
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Speaker 1: in the last year. I just don't get it. Let's

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Speaker 1: go Giants and Charlie from Portland, Maine. From Maine, I

532
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Speaker 1: appreciate Charlie Brandon, you had a great you. That was

533
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:13,920
Speaker 1: a great call, good opinion, good information, don't be a

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Speaker 1: strange Thank you very much. We appreciate it, and thank

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Speaker 1: you for being a long time listen to the show.

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Speaker 1: And you know, John, when you look at it that

537
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Speaker 1: way and you play that game with the roster, you

538
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:25,040
Speaker 1: realize the Giants are much better this year than they

539
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Speaker 1: have been in the last two seasons. So to suggest

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Speaker 1: that they're not, it's foolish. Yeah. I wasn't trying to

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Speaker 1: argue that point. I was just pointing out that there

542
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Speaker 1: are some areas you still have a concern that are realistic.

543
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Speaker 1: I don't want to try to, you know, paint a

544
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 1: Rosie picture here where everything is, you know, marshmallows and flowers.

545
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 1: There are things you still have to figure out. But yeah,

546
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Speaker 1: I'd be extremely disappointed the scene didn't improve from five

547
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Speaker 1: and eleven. I mean, let's not forget unfortunately, the injuries

548
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:53,480
Speaker 1: are part of the game. And let's just say the

549
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 1: offensive line right now, which we think is one of

550
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Speaker 1: the stronger units on the team, if one of the

551
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:02,320
Speaker 1: starting five has to go out go down, now, what happens,

552
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:05,320
Speaker 1: especially if it's a tackle. Right now, all of a

553
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:09,920
Speaker 1: sudden that's not a checkbox. Now that box is wide open,

554
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:14,959
Speaker 1: so let's make it clear. I think starting wise, the

555
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 1: Giants have improved to the point over the last three

556
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Speaker 1: years where to me and I'm not going to make

557
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:22,680
Speaker 1: any record predictions right now because it's still too early.

558
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:24,560
Speaker 1: We don't have the fifty three man roster, we haven't

559
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Speaker 1: seen the preseason. But my gut feeling coming out of

560
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 1: the spring is this is this is a team that

561
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Speaker 1: is going to be in the playoff conversation and in

562
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Speaker 1: the hunt in December. They're not gonna be knocked out

563
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Speaker 1: of it. In late October were knocked out of it

564
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Speaker 1: and overber again. It's gonna be December, John, It's gonna

565
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 1: be really cold, and we're gonna be talking about games

566
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Speaker 1: that the Giants need to win to be a playoff team.

567
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Speaker 1: I really believe that. I just got devastated. You know why,

568
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Speaker 1: Charlie's I had three mics on the line. The fourth

569
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Speaker 1: line was ringing, and I wanted a fourth mic, and Charlie,

570
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Speaker 1: I want that had three mikes on the line at

571
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Speaker 1: the same time, I wanted a fourth one. The Philip

572
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 1: all four banks with Mike's and I got stuck with

573
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 1: the charms. But but what would four mikes give you?

574
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Speaker 1: Nothing in Las Vegas or Atlantic City. You need four

575
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 1: aces or four kings. That's not terrible. Let's go to

576
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Speaker 1: Mike in Florida. He's up next. What's up, Mike? Hey

577
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 1: you guys, how are you doing? Hello? Ho Man? I

578
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 1: called a couple of weeks ago. I don't Paul Lance

579
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Speaker 1: were on that day and uh I was spoke about

580
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Speaker 1: Corey Coleman. Yeah, yeah, the uh I like him as

581
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Speaker 1: a third receiver and the third or fourth receiver. But

582
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Speaker 1: I never you know, I've been a Giant fan since

583
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Speaker 1: I watched Norm Snead as a quarter brought back in

584
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Speaker 1: Yankee Stadium, and I had never seeing a kick returner

585
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Speaker 1: that we had take the ball from the kick off

586
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Speaker 1: and just and just go full speed, hit the hole

587
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Speaker 1: and just go. Ron Dixon, Ron Dixon, Dave David Meggatt

588
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 1: was pretty dawn good too, But Ron Ron Dixon was

589
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 1: was dynamite. He was only here for a couple of years.

590
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Speaker 1: And quite frankly, Domedic Kickson was pretty good too. Yeah,

591
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Speaker 1: little uh yeah, Ron of them of them took kickoff

592
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Speaker 1: back in the Super Bowl. We lost to the writings correct.

593
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Speaker 1: I didn't understand one of the guys returning to kick

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Speaker 1: off against the Ravens and the Super Bowl. He said

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Speaker 1: that was that was Ron Dixon. Yeah, okay, that I that,

596
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 1: uh what twenty years nearly. But I like the way.

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Speaker 1: I like the way he hits done. He knows where

598
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Speaker 1: he's going. And I just think what I hear about

599
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:44,480
Speaker 1: Peppers taking pumps and kickoffs. First of all, that to me,

600
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Speaker 1: the football players, they're not safe. These they're not cornerbacks,

601
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Speaker 1: their football players. And like uh Man said the other

602
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Speaker 1: day that you know they injured walking off the walking

603
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Speaker 1: off the field. That's true. But yeah, I still right

604
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Speaker 1: home in that kick off position. If Peppers, if he

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Speaker 1: excels that a return of time, I think you can

606
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 1: get he said Andrew anywhere. But I just think this

607
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 1: this guy has found his has found his team, has

608
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 1: found his time. He he has some some issues early

609
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 1: in his career. But I think, uh we might have

610
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 1: a sound somebody here that can really still let still,

611
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 1: let speed receive it, that can take the top off

612
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Speaker 1: the defense. Along with Slayton, I think he's going to

613
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Speaker 1: be something else. Yeah, Mike, despite what they said about

614
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Speaker 1: Peppers in his usage. I would be surprised if he's

615
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Speaker 1: the primary on both kicks and punts. I just think

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Speaker 1: from a snap management standpoint, I think that's a lot

617
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Speaker 1: of wear and tearing a guy that you want to

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Speaker 1: be one of your big defensive playmakers. So I think

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Speaker 1: that if Corey Coleman makes the team and as good

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Speaker 1: enough as a wide receiver, I would not be surprised

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Speaker 1: to see him return as a kick returner. That would

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Speaker 1: not surprise me. I would prefer it that way, to

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Speaker 1: be honestly, be fine with it. I have no problem

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Speaker 1: with it. That's fine. Yeah, I agree with you both

625
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Speaker 1: on that. I agree with um that scenario. Also, this

626
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Speaker 1: draft class and last year's draft class. Anybody who has

627
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Speaker 1: as criticize get him. And I know the media wants

628
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 1: to get on him. I'm a native New Yorker born

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Speaker 1: in Brooklyn, and I'm down here in Florida now. But

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Speaker 1: I cannot I cannot remember seeing two classes back to

631
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Speaker 1: back that we're so these guys, these young men uh

632
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Speaker 1: amazing in front of it, you know, and in front

633
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Speaker 1: of the camera. They are they've seen that stand up guys.

634
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Speaker 1: You even know it better than me because they are,

635
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Speaker 1: you know. I just loved Uh Lawrence. I think he's

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Speaker 1: I think he's a snack uh to a two point

637
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Speaker 1: old with his personality. He's he says he's gonna be

638
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 1: he's gonna be a star out there. And DeAndre Baker,

639
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna be a lockdown uh, a lockdown

640
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 1: quarterback here. He looks really good as far as from

641
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 1: what I'm hearing. Um, And basically that's you know, that's

642
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 1: all I wanted to tell you. I think that's doing

643
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 1: a great job reshaping this team. Um, what is the

644
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 1: only guys from the uh super Bowl? So man, all

645
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 1: time ago? Now, Man, thank you. I appreciate the call.

646
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 1: Thank you than thinking about that's nine seasons ago now,

647
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 1: not as far back his two norm snead, but it's

648
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 1: still a long time. And how many NFL careers last

649
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 1: nine years? Well they still say the average NFL careers

650
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 1: three and a half. That's what I'm saying, you know.

651
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 1: So you know, although John, the one thing that that

652
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 1: he said and I think, you know, we have to

653
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 1: we have to really get a good look at some

654
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 1: of these young guys once they get the pads on

655
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 1: and the preseason starts. Because you and I have said

656
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 1: a lot of really good things about this rookie class,

657
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 1: justifiably so off of what we've seen to this point.

658
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 1: But it's shirts and shorts of course, of course, and

659
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 1: and I and I agree with Mike that what the

660
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:14,360
Speaker 1: corners you need to feel pretty good about. Well, we

661
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 1: always say that the skill positions you can get more

662
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:19,800
Speaker 1: done during the search and shorts period. I think we

663
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 1: feel pretty good about the first two Gettleman draft classes,

664
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:24,920
Speaker 1: but again we're still a year or two away from

665
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 1: being able to give them a legit grade. Daniel Jones

666
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:31,360
Speaker 1: maybe two or three, yeah, no question, But but I

667
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 1: I agree that early returns, if you believe in polls

668
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:37,719
Speaker 1: and elections, I'd say the early returns are pretty good.

669
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 1: I think Lorenzo Ocarter is very much a TB D.

670
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:46,439
Speaker 1: If he was playing a four or three off ball

671
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:49,800
Speaker 1: linebacker spot, I'd almost feel better about him than I

672
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:52,359
Speaker 1: do him playing a pass rusher spot, because I've seen

673
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:54,840
Speaker 1: him do the four three off ball stuff a college,

674
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 1: and I thought last year was pretty good at that

675
00:34:56,320 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 1: stuff too, But I haven't seen the past rush production yet,

676
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:07,840
Speaker 1: and that is really important for him, you know, I

677
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:10,320
Speaker 1: look Better's gonna have to sort this out as we

678
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:12,239
Speaker 1: get closer. I don't know. Maybe you've talked to him

679
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 1: about this already and I haven't. If you believe in

680
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 1: Marcus Golden resuscitating his career, and that's a question, we

681
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:22,880
Speaker 1: don't know the answer to that. But if you believe

682
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:25,879
Speaker 1: in that, then he's got to be the weak side

683
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:30,479
Speaker 1: guy who's constantly coming on the pass rush and Carter

684
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 1: is gonna be on the other side. He'll be a

685
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:34,759
Speaker 1: strong side backer instead of a weak side backer. I

686
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:36,759
Speaker 1: think if you did that, I think, yeah, I think

687
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 1: that would be the way they would split those positions.

688
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:41,360
Speaker 1: I agree with that, okay, which means then Carter is

689
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:44,320
Speaker 1: not going to get more than five sacks, maybe because

690
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:46,880
Speaker 1: he's going to have a lot of other responsibilities instead

691
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 1: of going after the QB, because Golden's primary responsibility is

692
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:52,800
Speaker 1: going to be going after the QUBE. Except here's the problem.

693
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:54,799
Speaker 1: When they go to sub package, which is now eight

694
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 1: pent of the time, both guys are handed on the

695
00:35:57,040 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 1: ground rushing the passer well, and now Betcher's got to decide, Okay,

696
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:04,359
Speaker 1: is he going to send both of those guys doing

697
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 1: that or or is he gonna tell Carter if he's

698
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:10,359
Speaker 1: got cart a strong side does he tell Carter beat

699
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 1: up that tight end at the line because we're gonna

700
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 1: send a safety blitz, We're gonna set a corner blaze.

701
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 1: He's gonna go after the quarterback. He's gonna go aft

702
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 1: to the quarterback. I'm interested that he doesn't have to.

703
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:22,320
Speaker 1: He doesn't have to do it that way. He doesn't

704
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 1: have to. And then the other thing is Zimminez. I'm

705
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 1: sure if Zimminez shows some immediate past rush ability at

706
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 1: this level, he's got to be on the field in

707
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 1: those situations. He's gotta be if if he shows that

708
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 1: he can immediately translate to the pro game, which right

709
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 1: now we don't know yet. We don't, but if he

710
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:47,840
Speaker 1: does and shows that he can beat NFL level players

711
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 1: right out of the box, man, he's gonna be in

712
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 1: on every third down. So we lost Mike in Florida.

713
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:56,279
Speaker 1: Miken Tenta flies up next, and that big wart on

714
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 1: my boarders still, Charlie, Mike can open this up next.

715
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:01,279
Speaker 1: Let's not like, how are you to be a nice

716
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:05,839
Speaker 1: calling Charlie award today? I think that's fair. Mike. What's up? Hey, guys,

717
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 1: what's happening? Um? John, I gotta tell you, Um, only

718
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:12,760
Speaker 1: somebody not named Mike wants for Mike's on the wine.

719
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:16,880
Speaker 1: I've been there, I've been there. In college, there were

720
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 1: four of us interested in this one beautiful girl named Katie,

721
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 1: and uh, you know she ended up marrying a guy

722
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 1: named Jason, so you know, bad odd um understand Yeah, So, um, yeah,

723
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:35,880
Speaker 1: I want to just quickly mentioned, um, you know the

724
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:39,880
Speaker 1: conversation you're having before that's calling named Brandon about you

725
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:43,240
Speaker 1: know who's really optimistic, and um, you guys said something

726
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:46,719
Speaker 1: that that was responding to the first caller who wants

727
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 1: to bring in a you know, really really expensive pass rusher,

728
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 1: And I would just say that I'm I'm kind of

729
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:54,279
Speaker 1: right with you and with Brandon, which is, you know,

730
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 1: we're not a super Bowl caliber team right now. I mean,

731
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:00,440
Speaker 1: we have no idea what we're gonna be this year.

732
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 1: We got a lot of optimism, but you don't go

733
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 1: out and and lock up a huge amount of money

734
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 1: on you know, the guy that you think puts you

735
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 1: over the top if you're not even at the top yet. Well, Mike,

736
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 1: I wouldn't. I wouldn't trade assets for that guy. But

737
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 1: let's say, in this theoretical world, a healthy de Marcus

738
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:22,759
Speaker 1: Lawrence was an unrestricted free agent last offseason. I would

739
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:25,120
Speaker 1: have and then and the Giants had the cap space

740
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:27,440
Speaker 1: they're gonna have next year, I would have had no

741
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:30,400
Speaker 1: problem paying a guy like that, who's twenty seven in

742
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:35,280
Speaker 1: his prime, is a Pro Bowl caliber pass, Russia is healthy,

743
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:37,359
Speaker 1: and you have a lot of cap space. I would

744
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:39,960
Speaker 1: have had no problem paying to Marcus Lawrence. Now I

745
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 1: wouldn't have went and traded draft picks and then paid

746
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:45,319
Speaker 1: to Marcus Lawrence, But if it was just the money thing,

747
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:48,400
Speaker 1: I would have been okay with it. Well, you know,

748
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 1: one of the things that get Leman has done that

749
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 1: I like is um recognizing I think that this team

750
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 1: isn't more Walt right right there, ready to compete for

751
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:00,360
Speaker 1: a Super Bowl, and then you know, true eiding that

752
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 1: cap space for next year. So that's another you know,

753
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 1: point of optimism. I think the other caller was was

754
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 1: kind of referring to it is is we do have

755
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:09,759
Speaker 1: a ton of cap space next year, and if these

756
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:13,239
Speaker 1: kids from you know, the last two years of what

757
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:15,799
Speaker 1: I think was pretty excellent drafting, you know, if these

758
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 1: guys show up and so you know, we we maybe

759
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 1: next year can really really put a put a real

760
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 1: contender together using all that cap space. So I'm with you.

761
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:27,440
Speaker 1: I just think until you show that you're close. So

762
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:29,439
Speaker 1: I'm not sure I would have dropped the big money

763
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 1: in this offseason. Um yet so he So the main

764
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:38,359
Speaker 1: reason I called was I wanted to pick your guys brains. Uh,

765
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:41,359
Speaker 1: you know, we we have a pretty good idea who

766
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 1: we think, um, the starting offensive line is going to be.

767
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 1: And you know we've seen chadwell or play. Um, you know,

768
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 1: obviously he hasn't been a standout wors But I did

769
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 1: note that the Charles Bentley said that he thinks he's

770
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 1: got a lot of potential. Um, but there's three other

771
00:39:57,239 --> 00:39:59,760
Speaker 1: guys on the team right now that I know basically

772
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 1: not thinking about. So we got Brian Haleck, George assafo

773
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:07,760
Speaker 1: J and Nick Beckton, and um, you guys have actually

774
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 1: seen seen him on the practice field. So I was

775
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:11,360
Speaker 1: hoping you could just kind of fill us in on

776
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 1: those three guys and whether you think there's real potential there.

777
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 1: We're just talking. I don't think on the team. Yeah,

778
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:20,840
Speaker 1: is not on the roster anymore. He was on the

779
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:24,400
Speaker 1: roster last year, not anymore. They have instead Paul Adams

780
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 1: who played. He's an undrafted rookie. He played offensive tackle

781
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 1: with the third team in practice and I think with

782
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:32,800
Speaker 1: the second team later with all the injuries, so he

783
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 1: would be your next guy up. To me, he's a

784
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:38,359
Speaker 1: developmental practice squad guy. We haven't seen enough of Big

785
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:40,919
Speaker 1: George yet to really have a feel for him because

786
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:43,759
Speaker 1: there's no pads. But I think expecting a lot out

787
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:47,280
Speaker 1: of a rookie seventh rounder at offensive tackle is probably

788
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 1: asking a little bit much. And I think Mallock. I

789
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 1: think Mahollock's the interesting one. He's a guy, he's he's massive,

790
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:55,800
Speaker 1: He's six he might even be six nine, right, What

791
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:58,319
Speaker 1: is he listed at? Is he listened at six eight?

792
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:01,880
Speaker 1: He's just there. Yeah, he's listened at those. That's what

793
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:04,240
Speaker 1: he's listed at. Fourth year player out of Boston College.

794
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 1: The guy is a house. So he's been with the

795
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 1: ones along with Chad Wheeler with the injuries to Remers

796
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 1: and Solder. He's the guy that I think is gonna

797
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 1: give Wheeler a run for his money and competing for

798
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 1: that backup swing tackle spot. Because the interesting to me

799
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:22,840
Speaker 1: is that with Members and Solder out, it was Maholak

800
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 1: at left tackle and Wheelard right tackle. So I don't

801
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:28,279
Speaker 1: know what that matters, what that means. But if there's

802
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 1: a guy on this roster that I think we'll give

803
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 1: the best competition the Wheeler to be that swing tackle,

804
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 1: it's Mahook. See, I I got a feeling it's big George.

805
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:41,279
Speaker 1: I have trouble trusting seven. I have a lot of

806
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:43,440
Speaker 1: trouble and I have a lot of trouble with that. Now,

807
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 1: the honest with people, that's how weak. It has nothing

808
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 1: to do with the sapholage as a player zero. You

809
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:53,960
Speaker 1: could any offensive rookie, seventh ramp pick offensive tackle, I'd

810
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 1: be worried about making the swing guy. Here's my problem

811
00:41:56,239 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 1: with Mahock. He's been around a couple of times at

812
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:03,239
Speaker 1: the sorry about them, Like you want to call back,

813
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:04,759
Speaker 1: I'll get your right. He's been around to block a

814
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 1: couple of times. Obviously, the Eagles didn't think enough of

815
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:11,279
Speaker 1: him to keep them. And you know, now you're right

816
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 1: about that. Now they did target him. They pulled him

817
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 1: off the practice squad. Yeah, but I, in my opinion,

818
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 1: you know, four years is enough and I don't think

819
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 1: there's anything untapped there that you're gonna suddenly find. I

820
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:27,440
Speaker 1: think that's a very fair point. So I would he

821
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:32,759
Speaker 1: better at this very moment than a Saphilage. He's got

822
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 1: more experience and not much, but at least he's been around.

823
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 1: But as the only caller said, talents more important than experience,

824
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:41,919
Speaker 1: well I would. I would like to believe that Big

825
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 1: George has more raw talent than Maholic does. I'd like

826
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:49,880
Speaker 1: to believe that, and he might. I just don't have Honestly,

827
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:52,399
Speaker 1: I cannot give an education. At least you're talking about

828
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:55,919
Speaker 1: somebody who was an unknown and untapped. Maybe there's something

829
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 1: there to be tapped. Maholic four years in the end

830
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 1: a fellow, and I haven't seen the spark. I don't.

831
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 1: I don't know where where it is. I'm totally with you, okay,

832
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:10,440
Speaker 1: I'm with you. Two four five, one three. We'll get

833
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:12,320
Speaker 1: a couple of your tweets at hashtag giants chat in

834
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:16,920
Speaker 1: a minute. Meanwhile, the work Charlie in Portland, Maine. What Charlie? Goodness,

835
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 1: Hey guys, Hey peetle juice. I heard my name shout

836
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:26,800
Speaker 1: in Florida. I think I think it was branded in

837
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 1: Florida that he like Charlie's that about that? Say? You

838
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 1: come on if someone said your name and then you

839
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:37,759
Speaker 1: don't even care enough to remember it was that said

840
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:41,440
Speaker 1: your name, you need to appreciate him more. Yeah. Hey,

841
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 1: I can't remember everybody who says my name. What can

842
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 1: I do? Well? Okay, how about this. You should You

843
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:48,319
Speaker 1: should be able to remember somebody that says your name

844
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:52,839
Speaker 1: in a positive fashion. That doesn't happen very often. Hey, hey, look,

845
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 1: you guys are just what I've been saying, Paul, we

846
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:58,359
Speaker 1: need a veteran swing tackle. Well, you know, Charlie, here's

847
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 1: the thing. If you'll believe that Wheeler can be functional

848
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:05,480
Speaker 1: and competent enough to be the number three guy, and

849
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:07,960
Speaker 1: I agree with you. I would like to see competition

850
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 1: there because competition makes guys better. And I would like

851
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:13,759
Speaker 1: to see somebody earn that third spot instead of just

852
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:16,440
Speaker 1: giving it to him, because right now, I gotta give

853
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 1: it to Wheeler. I don't have anybody who I believe

854
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:21,839
Speaker 1: really pushes him. Well, it's a competition, but I think

855
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 1: it prohibitive favorite right right now. So so if you

856
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:29,839
Speaker 1: bring somebody in, you push him and may the best

857
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:33,920
Speaker 1: man win. Um. But you know, if you're gonna bring

858
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:36,320
Speaker 1: somebody in just to be the four, then it doesn't

859
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:39,759
Speaker 1: pay right right, Well, that's what I'm saying. I mean,

860
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 1: you know, Gettleman's got to finish the line and now

861
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:44,840
Speaker 1: all he's got to do is bringing the swing tackle

862
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:48,480
Speaker 1: and we're done. You know. So that's why you're assuming.

863
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 1: You're assuming the negative though, you're assuming that Wheeler is

864
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:54,719
Speaker 1: not good enough to be the three. Maybe he is.

865
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:59,840
Speaker 1: I still find Charlie, I still find this hilarious. We

866
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 1: got into fights on the air last year. If you

867
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 1: tell me how good you thought Chad Wheeler was when

868
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 1: he replaced our flowers and now you can't get rid

869
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:11,239
Speaker 1: of them fast enough? No, I didn't. I never said

870
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:13,440
Speaker 1: wheel it was good. I always said we should bring

871
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 1: in little Beaty. That's who I said we still should bring.

872
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:20,840
Speaker 1: I would, I would go back. I like my tweet,

873
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:25,879
Speaker 1: want my tweet when I said, did he really? Yeah?

874
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 1: You did tweet back and forth. Yeah, that's not good.

875
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:35,000
Speaker 1: And you will talking about Washington wide receivers, they do. Absolutely,

876
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:37,799
Speaker 1: They're going to get a couple off our squad when

877
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 1: we cut people, because we're going to have to cut

878
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:42,200
Speaker 1: a couple of good wine receivers. CHI have a question

879
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:44,439
Speaker 1: for you, who who Who's your top six and wide receiver.

880
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:47,960
Speaker 1: Right now, what do you got, oh Shepherd? Of course

881
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 1: that's easy. Yeah, and I think you gotta go with Coleman.

882
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 1: You gotta go with Slater, the rookie. Yeah, A Slaters

883
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:06,239
Speaker 1: gonna be the Latim or a Foller. You know how

884
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 1: many is that five? That if you can't Lattimer and Foller,

885
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:12,880
Speaker 1: that's six. Yeah, Okay, so there you go. Um, so

886
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 1: you're not you're not gonna keep You're not gonna keep

887
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:19,080
Speaker 1: Russell Shepherd. Then yeah, it's either got to be followed

888
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:22,320
Speaker 1: on and keep Shepherd or Shepherd's gone and keep Foller.

889
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:25,440
Speaker 1: So you know, it's gonna be somebody's going to get

890
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:28,279
Speaker 1: a couple of good wide receivers because Alonzo Russell also

891
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:31,920
Speaker 1: isn't a bad you know, wide receiver either, you know,

892
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 1: and he's a great special team guy. So you know,

893
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:37,320
Speaker 1: I think Washington's can be there to scoop up a

894
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:40,279
Speaker 1: couple of our players. So I hear Anthony Dobboy's that's

895
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:45,239
Speaker 1: still out there, Charlie, that there's another guy you could

896
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:48,240
Speaker 1: see in Washington. Kim just tried out for the XFL

897
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:50,200
Speaker 1: the other day. We were just talking about him at

898
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:52,480
Speaker 1: lunch and the way he's bulked up. I wouldn't be

899
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 1: surprised if he was trying out a tight end to

900
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:58,360
Speaker 1: be honest with you. Hey, back, shoulders throw, I know,

901
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 1: I know, I know, I know. Thank you, Charlie, be good.

902
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:07,400
Speaker 1: We lost Mike in Florida online four. Let's go to

903
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:09,839
Speaker 1: him now, Mike, what's going on? Pou? Welcome back? Sorry

904
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:14,239
Speaker 1: about that? Yes, mine killo? Hey Mike, what's up? Man?

905
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 1: Finish up your call? All right? How are you doing?

906
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 1: Are you on a forklift? Yeah? I like, wow, all right,

907
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 1: we'll got you. They go ahead, make your point and

908
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 1: what's going on? Yeah? I mean I don't know. I

909
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 1: remember me though, remember guy? Uh? Just okay, Mike, I

910
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:43,360
Speaker 1: got you? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah that's me. I

911
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 1: mean I was talking about um de Baker, I mean

912
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:53,760
Speaker 1: being him. We go we back, I mean to grab

913
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:58,480
Speaker 1: my son. I mean he played with h I mean

914
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 1: he on me. He is still a little I mean

915
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:05,920
Speaker 1: in high school. They played in high school together. I

916
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:08,080
Speaker 1: mean not to night in high school. I mean like

917
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 1: seven on seven in Miami, down in Miami. Okay, So

918
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 1: he I mean he I mean a heck of a player.

919
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:18,880
Speaker 1: I mean that's why we while we had him. All

920
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 1: the way like in the thirty So I mean he

921
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:24,239
Speaker 1: should have been like first first people. Well, I'm telling you,

922
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:27,799
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm he a bad boy. Well, there are

923
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 1: enough of respectable draft people and scouts who thought he

924
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:35,200
Speaker 1: might be the best covered corner in this draft. That's

925
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:39,160
Speaker 1: not a stretch. Well, I mean, I mean to be

926
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:43,280
Speaker 1: honest with you, though, um uh, he run a whole

927
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:46,880
Speaker 1: But he was a track player. I mean, I mean

928
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:48,560
Speaker 1: he used to run tracks and he was one of

929
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 1: the fastest guys in Miami. Yeah, Mike, that was the

930
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:52,560
Speaker 1: one hit on him. And I think a lot of

931
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:56,080
Speaker 1: people said his combine didn't go well and the stuff

932
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:59,120
Speaker 1: that I the stuff that I was, I'm gonna explain

933
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:01,640
Speaker 1: it if you let me finish. The reason it didn't

934
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 1: go well, at least according to some of the things

935
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:06,360
Speaker 1: that I've read and heard from people, is that he

936
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 1: didn't do great preparation for it, Like out of these

937
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:11,480
Speaker 1: guys who they work on there, like their their form

938
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:14,719
Speaker 1: and the mechanics of all that stuff of maximize your

939
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:17,440
Speaker 1: time on the forty yard dash. Maybe because of Baker's

940
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:19,640
Speaker 1: great background and tracking stuff and kind of just showed

941
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:21,520
Speaker 1: up and did it. And I think maybe that's why

942
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 1: his time wasn't what it should be. Yeah, just just

943
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:28,839
Speaker 1: remember one thing too, Go ahead, go ahead, that's all right.

944
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:31,600
Speaker 1: I mean he's a fast guy. I don't know what

945
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:34,400
Speaker 1: you want to four five? I was looking at he

946
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:37,799
Speaker 1: want a four three something like that. I don't know, man,

947
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:39,840
Speaker 1: I mean that was bad. I mean he lost a

948
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:43,560
Speaker 1: lot of money by going on all the way. But

949
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:46,440
Speaker 1: I mean that's that game though. We we we we

950
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 1: we got ourselves the next uh, the senders go, I'm

951
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:52,520
Speaker 1: telling you we are. You're a bad boy. Thank you,

952
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 1: my boy. Appreciate the call, buddy, good to hear from you.

953
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:57,920
Speaker 1: You know, John, what one thought about this? What's that

954
00:49:58,080 --> 00:49:59,800
Speaker 1: label in the best cover corner in the history of

955
00:49:59,840 --> 00:50:02,800
Speaker 1: the well that that Yeah, he's he's he's jumping the

956
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:05,359
Speaker 1: gun there for sure. But but I think one thing

957
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 1: that is very important to remember, and we talk about

958
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 1: this all the time. We put a little asterisk going

959
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:13,840
Speaker 1: into the combine about how that's the underwear Olympics. You know,

960
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:18,040
Speaker 1: just because his time was disappointing to some in the

961
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:22,080
Speaker 1: combine itself, that doesn't mean he's not going to be

962
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:26,200
Speaker 1: taking things very seriously over the summer going into training camp,

963
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:29,759
Speaker 1: and quite honestly, remember, as we also always say, it's

964
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:32,640
Speaker 1: what you play speed on the field is, and maybe

965
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:36,400
Speaker 1: in pads his play speed is where he makes up

966
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:39,319
Speaker 1: time on people and so and so. Maybe a little

967
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 1: faster at the combine than he is, but maybe with

968
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 1: everything on play speed, he's faster than everybody else. So

969
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:47,960
Speaker 1: always take that into accounts. Go to Mike and ten

970
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:51,239
Speaker 1: a fly will be our final call over the show him. Mike, Hey, guys,

971
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:55,479
Speaker 1: how are you hig? You know what father was taking

972
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:57,160
Speaker 1: on my dad? And when we used to sit in

973
00:50:57,239 --> 00:51:00,239
Speaker 1: the old Yankee Stadium when we had season tickets behind

974
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:04,279
Speaker 1: the monuments at from home plate, and I remember guys

975
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:11,279
Speaker 1: like Jack Gregory, John Rufus Mendenhall, Jim Files, Ron Hornsby U. Um,

976
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:15,320
Speaker 1: listen to Marty Glipman on the radio on the transistor

977
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:18,600
Speaker 1: radio with chips of Pola about that one, yeah, um.

978
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:22,440
Speaker 1: Question on these defensive alignment we got this kid freedom

979
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:25,879
Speaker 1: something from Nebraska signed. I hope and McIntosh could show

980
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:29,920
Speaker 1: us something Olsen Pierre. Are these guys all strictly defensive

981
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:32,680
Speaker 1: ends or can they play inside? And my question is

982
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:35,200
Speaker 1: do you see a trend now from the pass rush

983
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 1: coming up? The middle a little bit more than just

984
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:41,799
Speaker 1: the ends. I'll take your answer. Thank guys. That's that's

985
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:44,160
Speaker 1: a two part question. So why don't you take the

986
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 1: second part and I'll take the first part. Uh. In

987
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:51,279
Speaker 1: terms of where these guys are gonna play, remember when

988
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:54,919
Speaker 1: you play in that three four front, in effect, your

989
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:59,279
Speaker 1: your defensive tackle or your defensive and actually becomes a

990
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:05,160
Speaker 1: defensive tackle. Okay, So it's it's more about not naming

991
00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:07,640
Speaker 1: the guy in terms of is he a tackler and

992
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:09,800
Speaker 1: is he an end. We're talking about what is he

993
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:12,600
Speaker 1: playing on the front and what is his responsibility in

994
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:18,040
Speaker 1: that particular scheme. For example, Macintosh, all right, let's let's

995
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:21,040
Speaker 1: say he is a typical defensive tackle according to the

996
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:25,719
Speaker 1: way the roster lists him, right, But when McIntosh is

997
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:29,880
Speaker 1: playing on the field for the Giants, trust me, in

998
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:32,880
Speaker 1: a typical defensive tackle mode with the guy who's going

999
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:36,120
Speaker 1: to be an interior stuffer and a plugger, that's not him.

1000
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:38,880
Speaker 1: When he's on the field for the Giants, he's more

1001
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:40,840
Speaker 1: or less probably going to be in a sub package

1002
00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 1: and he's gonna be a penetrator. Okay, He's not gonna

1003
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:47,520
Speaker 1: be a typical inside run stuffer. That's not what he's

1004
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 1: gonna be. Yeah, I think, and I actually was. I

1005
00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:53,840
Speaker 1: did a hit with at Valentine from Big Blueview this

1006
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 1: morning on the podcast, and we had this conversation and

1007
00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:00,200
Speaker 1: I don't want to get to football tech to go

1008
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:03,200
Speaker 1: here with people, but I always shy away from doing

1009
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:05,200
Speaker 1: because it's hard for people to pick it up. I'm

1010
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:08,040
Speaker 1: gonna do it, and I'm gonna apologize for alright. In

1011
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 1: your typical four three defense, and that's I think how

1012
00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:11,879
Speaker 1: most Giant fans see it is they played the four

1013
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:13,960
Speaker 1: three so long until bet you got here, right. You

1014
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:16,080
Speaker 1: got two guys in the end. You got your defensive tackles.

1015
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:18,920
Speaker 1: One defensive tackle is your inside plugger, the other ones

1016
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:21,840
Speaker 1: your pass rusher. He plays what's called the three technique,

1017
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:24,680
Speaker 1: which is you line up between the guard and the tackle,

1018
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:26,640
Speaker 1: and that's how you kind of get penetration. Then you

1019
00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:29,560
Speaker 1: have your two ends, which line up outside the offensive

1020
00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:31,800
Speaker 1: tackles try to get pass rush right. Well, in the

1021
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:35,920
Speaker 1: three four, yeah, you have one defensive tackle technically, which

1022
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:38,759
Speaker 1: is the nose tackle, and then to quote unquote defensive ends.

1023
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:41,960
Speaker 1: But here's the trick. The way the Giants run their scheme,

1024
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:43,880
Speaker 1: which is a one gap scheme. You want to penetrate,

1025
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:47,320
Speaker 1: not necessarily, you know, hold up the offensive lineman that

1026
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:49,320
Speaker 1: like linebackers throw of the ball, which is kind of

1027
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:51,960
Speaker 1: what the old school three four is. You have your

1028
00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:55,319
Speaker 1: guy playing nose right, and your other two positions are

1029
00:53:56,120 --> 00:53:59,759
Speaker 1: the first defensive end. I'm doing air quotes for the

1030
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:04,120
Speaker 1: with that are listening. Defensive end plays the three technique,

1031
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:07,879
Speaker 1: which is what your defensive tackle plays in the four three.

1032
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:10,399
Speaker 1: So one of your defensive ends in the three four

1033
00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:14,880
Speaker 1: actually plays what you consider a traditional defensive tackles. Spot

1034
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:20,600
Speaker 1: your other defensive end air quotes plays either the four

1035
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:25,120
Speaker 1: of the five, which again is not your traditional defensive

1036
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:29,080
Speaker 1: end in a four three. So there you're almost playing

1037
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:37,200
Speaker 1: a nose tackle and two three technique style defensive tackles,

1038
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:40,839
Speaker 1: not one defensive tackle and two defensive ends. I think

1039
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:44,919
Speaker 1: I explained that, Okay, right, It's very hard to follow, John,

1040
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:47,560
Speaker 1: I I get it, but I get it, but I

1041
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:50,000
Speaker 1: don't think everybody else does. He I'm gonna try to

1042
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:51,520
Speaker 1: make it simple for you. Let me give you names,

1043
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:57,560
Speaker 1: b J. Hill, Lawrence, Tomlinson. Okay, Giants gonna play with

1044
00:54:57,600 --> 00:55:02,080
Speaker 1: three four, it's first down and ten beach Hill, Lawrence, Tomlinson,

1045
00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:06,560
Speaker 1: there's gonna be a stand up guy on the front

1046
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:09,840
Speaker 1: to stand up. Okay, maybe he could go with he

1047
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:11,040
Speaker 1: could go with a four man in front of a

1048
00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:12,680
Speaker 1: five man front. He's got it. He's got a choice.

1049
00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:14,799
Speaker 1: Usually a three or four will be a five man

1050
00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:18,439
Speaker 1: front to make it easier. Probably on first down he'll

1051
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:20,960
Speaker 1: probably go with two stand ups, but he could go

1052
00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:23,200
Speaker 1: with he could go with one, depends on how he

1053
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:26,800
Speaker 1: wants to play it. The point is, in that front,

1054
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:30,320
Speaker 1: let's say Golden for purposes of this, Golden is the

1055
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Speaker 1: guy who's standing up on the edge. He's next to Tomlinson.

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Speaker 1: Next to him is Lawrence, and next to him is B. J. Hill. Okay,

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00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:42,640
Speaker 1: your plugger in that instance is going to be Lawrence, which,

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00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:44,359
Speaker 1: by the way, might not be how they actually lined

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00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:45,880
Speaker 1: it up. It could be Tomlinson in the middle of

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00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:48,520
Speaker 1: Lawrence at the end. Who knows, who knows, But we're

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00:55:48,560 --> 00:55:51,360
Speaker 1: trying to make it simple. Sorry, I'm just trying to

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00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:54,360
Speaker 1: make it up as simple as I can. So Lawrence

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Speaker 1: as you plugger. Okay, So he's the guy who you're

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00:55:57,640 --> 00:56:01,560
Speaker 1: gonna want to take on a double team. Okay, Now

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00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:05,640
Speaker 1: you're hoping you're going to get the outside rush from

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00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:10,680
Speaker 1: either Golden or b J. Hill. Now b J Hill

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00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:15,040
Speaker 1: technically technically is a defensive tackle, but in this formation

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00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:19,680
Speaker 1: he has the responsibilities of an end. Okay, if he's

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00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:21,239
Speaker 1: worth I know he knows what I'm talking about, but

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00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:23,320
Speaker 1: I want to make it simple for you guys, and

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Speaker 1: so now you have your other defensive tackles. Tomlinson. Now

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Speaker 1: here's where he gets tricky. Tomlinson's a twiner. He can

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Speaker 1: try the plugging mode, which he did at the end

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Speaker 1: of last year, and quite honestly, I didn't think he

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00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:40,040
Speaker 1: was effective as he could have been, Okay, because I

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00:56:40,080 --> 00:56:44,720
Speaker 1: don't think that's really his best trade. Or you say, okay,

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00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:47,960
Speaker 1: you've got two ways to go here. Either he holds

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00:56:48,040 --> 00:56:50,520
Speaker 1: up he helps hold up guys in the interior, so

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00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:53,480
Speaker 1: all you're gonna do is rush your end guys and

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00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:57,960
Speaker 1: hopefully you're gonna isolate them in your pass rush. Or

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Speaker 1: you decide that Tomlinson is going to be a penetrator

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00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:05,000
Speaker 1: and say, okay, Lawrence take the double team and Tomlinson

1083
00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:08,239
Speaker 1: is gonna try to split somebody's scene. They got complicated again.

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00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:13,719
Speaker 1: I know, I'm sorry, but there's no easy way. Well,

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00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:16,840
Speaker 1: and that's only one formation. The Giants have a bunch

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00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:19,240
Speaker 1: of different ways they can go with their fronts, which

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00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:21,600
Speaker 1: is why I keep telling people now I no longer

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00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:24,840
Speaker 1: talk about front fours or defensive lines. I talk about

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00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:28,760
Speaker 1: front seven's because you have to talk about front seven

1090
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:30,160
Speaker 1: and the way I do it. I talked about edge

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00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:34,640
Speaker 1: rushers because bj and Lawrence those aren't edge rushers. Their

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00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:37,400
Speaker 1: defensive lineman. And then you have the edge rushers, so

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00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:42,520
Speaker 1: it's it's different. Carter, Golden, Zimmonez their edge rushers. You

1094
00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:46,200
Speaker 1: can't call them outside linebackers or defensive ends anymore. We've

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00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:48,560
Speaker 1: changed the nomenclature. This is the way it's got to

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00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:53,040
Speaker 1: be now. I'm sorry, it's time, Okay. I want to

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00:57:53,040 --> 00:57:54,520
Speaker 1: get a couple in the air before we say good bye.

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00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:56,120
Speaker 1: Promise I get him in every show. I got to that.

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Speaker 1: I want to get you, Clayton Harding. I'm still worried

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Speaker 1: about the inside linebackers and pass coverage. I'm hoping we'll

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00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:05,760
Speaker 1: use more dbs as linebackers on third downs. Slot linebackers

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00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:07,919
Speaker 1: is what he calls them. I'd be happy to see

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Speaker 1: the pups like Julian and Corey on third down over

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Speaker 1: Alec and b J Goodson, Well, I'll go which is

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00:58:14,520 --> 00:58:16,160
Speaker 1: gonna be on the field for third downs? I'm just

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00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:19,200
Speaker 1: telling you right now that's going to happen. So he

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00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:22,560
Speaker 1: also calls all the signals. So who the second guy

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00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:24,760
Speaker 1: is going to be as interesting? It would be J Goodson.

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00:58:24,840 --> 00:58:27,240
Speaker 1: Tay Davis, who is a converted safety, will be in

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Speaker 1: the mix there. And I think it's hard to use

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00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:34,120
Speaker 1: a corner in that role because they have to be

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Speaker 1: able to tackle. If the Giants kind of had now,

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Speaker 1: what they could do is move Peppers into that and

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Speaker 1: then put somebody else deep. That's something they could do.

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00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:50,000
Speaker 1: They could They could for instance, Julian Love and then

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00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:53,400
Speaker 1: I'd love and be feb or two traditional safeties and

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00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:56,160
Speaker 1: Peppers would be that hybrid linebacker. They have a lot

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00:58:56,240 --> 00:58:58,600
Speaker 1: of ways they can go here. I mean, and and

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Speaker 1: we talked about this on Friday, I think John or

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Speaker 1: did we have a show Friday? Yeah? We did. Um,

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Speaker 1: what about in certain situations to what the Chargers did

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00:59:07,160 --> 00:59:11,240
Speaker 1: and just flood flood your back seven with dbs. Of course,

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Speaker 1: they got burned in the playoffs and they've got ran,

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Speaker 1: but you know what, on occasion, I could see that

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Speaker 1: happen because the Giants have loaded up on young talented

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Speaker 1: dB Just don't try it against Bill Belichick. Uh, Timothy

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00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:26,760
Speaker 1: Alan Jack Atson Jar twenty three didn't hear much about

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Speaker 1: Eric Dungey out of votis for obvious reasons. What do

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Speaker 1: you think about him shot at the fifty three you're

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00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:32,400
Speaker 1: a dungee guy more than I'm so you could take

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Speaker 1: that one. Well, he's nursing a back thing, and because

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Speaker 1: of his back issue after that first practice when he

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00:59:38,760 --> 00:59:42,000
Speaker 1: got here and he was playing quarterback that was hit.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he's done stuff with the trainers. Um, I'm

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Speaker 1: intrigued by him. I know they brought him in here

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Speaker 1: for a reason. But here's the problem. Unless he proves

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Speaker 1: that he's got the ability to do some of those

1138
00:59:55,200 --> 00:59:58,320
Speaker 1: slash things that we've talked about, how can you keep him?

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Speaker 1: You know, you could try to maybe sneak him onto

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Speaker 1: the practice squad and maybe he'll he'll get there. You know,

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Speaker 1: no one's claiming him. Yeah, but if if he's hurt,

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Speaker 1: you're not even gonna do that. And that he's waved injured,

1143
01:00:08,880 --> 01:00:11,720
Speaker 1: he's done. Do you stash him for a year that way?

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Speaker 1: You know? But right now, the problem with him is

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Speaker 1: that he hasn't proven enough of the other skills that

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Speaker 1: you would like to use if you're gonna make him

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Speaker 1: that versatile slash guy. I saw him working on the

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Speaker 1: jugs machine during media vails one day. That's about as

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Speaker 1: much as I've seen so guys, I have zero expectations

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Speaker 1: for him this year, and anything I think you get

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Speaker 1: out of him as a bonus at this point, I'd

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Speaker 1: love to because of the potential versatility. I'm very intrigued

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Speaker 1: from him. I want I want to see him. Well

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Speaker 1: he's well, he's a running quarterback. I know you love

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Speaker 1: those guys. So for different reasons, Paul is all in

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Speaker 1: favor of the Giants having a big time running quarterback ter.

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Speaker 1: He wants read options, he wants traditional air force triple option,

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Speaker 1: he wants design quarterback runs. Paul is all in on

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Speaker 1: the running quarterback. You know what, maybe the day that

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Speaker 1: they do that will be the day I retire. Oh Giants,

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Speaker 1: please bring him in roster. Let's do this. I mean,

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Speaker 1: if I tell Shermer that, he means you don't have

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Speaker 1: to talk to you anymore. You're finished. Thank you, PAULA.

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Speaker 1: Thanks to Matt Cohen, who's running the board. Good job

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Speaker 1: today thanks to the cars. Couldn't do without you. We'll

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Speaker 1: see tomorrow on giants dot Com. Back in noon for

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Speaker 1: another episode of Big Blue Kickoff Lot. See you later.