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Speaker 1: It's ready. Are you welcome to stump Mom Never told You?

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Speaker 1: From housetop works dot Com. Hello, and welcome to the podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm Kristen, I'm Molly, So Molly. Today we're talking about

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Speaker 1: bras yes rasiers. So um. I thought a good way

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Speaker 1: to kick it off would be for us to share

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Speaker 1: our cup sizes with our audience. I don't think that's

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Speaker 1: a good idea. It's totally kidding now, there's no way

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Speaker 1: that would happen. Uh No. But instead of sharing our

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Speaker 1: own our own braa size is Molly, why don't we

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Speaker 1: enlighten our listeners with the average bra siyes in America? Okay,

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Speaker 1: so the average braath size has actually gone up in

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Speaker 1: the US over the past fifteen years. We have gone

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Speaker 1: from a nation of thirty four bees on average to

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Speaker 1: thirty six sees. And it might be because of things

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Speaker 1: like breast augmentation and the rising of obesity rate. So

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Speaker 1: it doesn't necessarily mean that we're just all getting a

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Speaker 1: lot more voluptuous. Well, I guess we are getting more voluptuous,

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Speaker 1: but not because we're more predisposed bo speaking of big boobs,

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Speaker 1: do you know what the largest bra size on record is?

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Speaker 1: Do tell? Crying to the Guinness Book of World Records.

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Speaker 1: It's a forty eight v V as in Victoria. Those

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Speaker 1: breastway fifty six pounds when you put them together. That's

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Speaker 1: another fun fact to want smart contacts. Yes, in a

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Speaker 1: woman was killed by lightning once when the lightning struck

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Speaker 1: the underwire and her bra. That is unfortunate. Did you

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Speaker 1: also know, Molly that, uh, in some cases breasts can

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Speaker 1: flap against the chest with enough force to break the

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Speaker 1: clavical Oh my god, probably if you had you know,

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Speaker 1: the VS you were talking about. I think if I

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Speaker 1: had VS, I could barely make enough force and moving. Um.

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Speaker 1: Here's here's a fun fact that Chris and I both like.

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Speaker 1: Do you know, um, the first sports bra was two

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Speaker 1: jock straps sewn together and called a job bra. Let's

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Speaker 1: hope that those were not used shock straps. Um. Did

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Speaker 1: you know that Triumph International has invented an anti smoking bra,

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Speaker 1: which admits a mysterious fragrance designed to kill the desire

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Speaker 1: to spoke? Sounds useful. There are also anti mugging bras

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Speaker 1: that can monitor heart rate and single the police in

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Speaker 1: the event of panic. There's also a bras been designed

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Speaker 1: to detect radiation in case of nuclear attacks. So maybe

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Speaker 1: you're apocalyptic bra We're ready for it. Bring it on.

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Speaker 1: I mean, bras are just constantly evolving, so constantly evolving,

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Speaker 1: and yet holly eight out of ten women supposedly are

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Speaker 1: wearing the wrong size bra. So even though we have

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Speaker 1: all of these choices to pick from, all types of

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Speaker 1: fabrics and cuts and cups, et cetera, we're still just

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Speaker 1: in the wrong ones. I know it's weird, but you

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Speaker 1: know what, what is also weird is usually when we

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Speaker 1: talk about an item of clothing or accessory, be at

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Speaker 1: high heels or wedding dresses, where we go back through

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Speaker 1: history and to kind of trace its evolution. And what

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Speaker 1: was weird to me when we are researching this podcast

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Speaker 1: is that the bras history is a little bit more

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Speaker 1: murk here than you would think it would be. Even

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Speaker 1: the person who they attribute the first bra design too

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Speaker 1: is somewhat contentious, but we could say we can't say

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Speaker 1: with certainty that the first patent for a breast supporter

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Speaker 1: was granted um in the mid eighteen hundreds. Too, man

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Speaker 1: named Lumen L. Chapman of Camden, New Jersey. But don't

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Speaker 1: just think that this is some male invention. About half

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Speaker 1: of this uh piece of architecture. It's so frequently referred

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Speaker 1: to as a bridge when you're reading about bra design

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Speaker 1: that has been constantly updated and changed by women. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: For instance, in eighteen nine, we have a woman named

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Speaker 1: Marie two Sick of New York City who patented a

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Speaker 1: So no one person really gets credit for the invention

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Speaker 1: of the brawl. They kind of painted as this natural

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Speaker 1: evolution From course, it's um, you know, supporting the breasts

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Speaker 1: Because one of the reasons why bras came into vogue

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Speaker 1: and then um supposedly in the nineteen thirties, college students

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Speaker 1: dress shop called Enid Frocks, delightful little name. It was

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Speaker 1: owned by Enich Bassett and in Enid and her seamstress

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Speaker 1: awesome if we had different kinds of undergarments that women

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Speaker 1: giving them away with dresses. And then about a decade

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Speaker 1: after Ida and Enid started making their bando style bras,

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Speaker 1: a manufacturer S. H. Camp and Company first match breast

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Speaker 1: more than three inches vertically during a jog, and that's

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