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Speaker 1: We welcome in all you Faithfuls, Traders and survivors in

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Speaker 1: their episode of By Order of the Faithfuls. Well's Adams

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Speaker 1: here alongside Dolores Catania. We are in episode two of Survivor. Dolores,

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Speaker 1: how are you liking the show so far?

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Speaker 2: Well, there's a lot of crazy things going on. People

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Speaker 2: hoop their pants this time. I give them so much credit,

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Speaker 2: you know, I'm just overwhelmed with everything that's going on.

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Speaker 3: I could not do it. I absolutely, I have a

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Speaker 3: lot of respect for them doing it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and then you know, they're doing really extreme physical

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Speaker 2: things on this show. But and nothing against anybody. I'm

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Speaker 2: not in shape, but a lot of people are not

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Speaker 3: It doesn't seem to me.

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Speaker 2: There's a few, but not everybody looks like they're running marathons.

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Speaker 2: We have a very you know, diverse cast, physically diverse cast.

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Speaker 1: You wouldn't want to do it. I was watching last

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Speaker 1: night talking to my wife and she's like, how's it going.

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Speaker 1: I watched you know, Survivor since like the first season,

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Speaker 1: and I was like, you know, I really like this

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Speaker 1: on it. And then she retorted with it's all a

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Speaker 1: political game, and you got kicked out of Traders on

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Speaker 1: the second episode. You'd be terrible at this, and I said, well,

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Speaker 1: hold on, I didn't really get a fair shake too.

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Speaker 1: I do think that I'm really good at like I'm

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Speaker 1: I'm really good at camping, I'm good at like being

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Speaker 1: out in the elements. I'm good at fishing and hunting,

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Speaker 1: and I wouldn't have a problem like sleeping on the beach.

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Speaker 1: I think I could do it. I don't know. Should

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Speaker 1: I apply for this show?

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Speaker 2: One hundred percent? I think you could do it. I

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Speaker 2: think this is this This is very Traders like the show.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure.

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Speaker 3: You know at the end when they vote somebody out.

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Speaker 2: I mean the games though, they're they're vicious, they're going

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Speaker 2: through people's bags.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, not see.

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Speaker 2: Had I been more familiar with this game play, I've

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Speaker 2: watched a few season a few episodes.

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Speaker 3: Over the years, but I didn't get into it.

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Speaker 2: But now I'm getting into it, I would have handled

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Speaker 2: the Survivors players very different.

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Speaker 3: I would have never believed.

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Speaker 1: Danielle or Carolyn on Traders.

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Speaker 2: You're saying on Traders, Yeah, had I watched this this

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Speaker 2: if you're thinking of going on Traders.

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Speaker 3: Anybody watch this first.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, one hundred percent agree, and probably watch Big Brother too,

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Speaker 1: because yeah, they are exactly Yeah, they are cutthroat and yeah,

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Speaker 1: there are no holds barred. I'm excited about today's show.

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Speaker 1: We're going to have one of the legends from Survivor

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Speaker 1: on in, Stephen Fishback. He's a Pushcart Prize winning writer

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Speaker 1: and former television executive. A two time Survivor contested voted

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Speaker 1: million fans. He finished as runner up on his first

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Speaker 1: In two thousand and nine, he is named one of

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Speaker 1: People Magazine's Hottest Bachelors. So lady even Yeah. He now

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Speaker 1: lives in Washington, d C. With his wife and two daughters.

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Speaker 1: Fortunately he's off the market, ladies. Steven published a fictional

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Speaker 1: novel last month called Escape, which follows it has been

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Speaker 1: and it is a great producer who yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: set on a remote island. Obviously influenced by his time

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Speaker 1: on Survivor, Stephen, Welcome to by order of the Faithful

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Speaker 1: Survivor Edition. Steven, how are you, buddy.

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Speaker 4: I'm great. I'm so thrilled to be here chatting with

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Speaker 4: you guys. This is wild.

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Speaker 3: We're so happy to have you and thanks for your time.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I know you're really busy writing books and

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Speaker 2: being the hottest bachelor and People magazine of two thousand

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Speaker 2: and nine. I mean, that makes you busy, but we

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Speaker 2: know you're off the market now.

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Speaker 4: A lot has happened since two thousand and nine. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: and even then there was really some questions, don't I

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Speaker 4: think that ballot was a little bit of a question. Well,

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Speaker 4: I think we have. Yeah, it was.

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Speaker 1: It was like you and Leonardo Dicamprio, George Clooney and

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it was a bad year, only they had forty

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Speaker 4: five and then they were like, how do we fill

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Speaker 3: That We'll own it.

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Speaker 4: To be clear, I was dressed up as as Gilligan

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Speaker 4: in that episode of People, so it was not exactly

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Speaker 4: my hottest moments, Fanny.

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Speaker 3: That is hysterical.

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Speaker 2: Well, hey, you were you were on an island, and

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Speaker 2: you were deserted on a deserted island.

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Speaker 3: But it did very well.

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Speaker 2: One day on that island Stephen, I'm out, and and

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Speaker 2: we're excited about the new book. I can't wait to

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Speaker 2: I want to signed copy.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to say it's way all right, all right, cool?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we were.

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Speaker 1: We were talking about it before we started the show,

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Speaker 1: you know, you know, you kind of downplayed it, like, oh,

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Speaker 1: I was just runner up and then I got ninth.

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Speaker 1: But you were voted by ten million fans to rejoin

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Speaker 1: the Survivor cast and your second opportunity on the beach.

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Speaker 1: That must have felt really cool to have that many

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Speaker 4: It really, it was awesome, I mean, and honestly, part

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Speaker 4: I would be able to be talking about it a

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Speaker 4: and how cool is that? So I was not looking

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Speaker 2: Does it's Okay, it still makes good TV, and your

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Speaker 3: Second and then the next minute you could fall from

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Speaker 4: Well, it does seem like the Internet generally is is

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Speaker 4: that way. But I actually feel weirdly the Survivor audience

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Speaker 3: Trying to destroy your life.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, dors, what are you talking about? You're on Real

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Speaker 2: Is all like yeah, it's just but you know, I

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Speaker 3: I don't want to vote anybody out. You know.

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Speaker 4: Well you guys, you guys were executing, you know, you

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Speaker 3: It's a hard thing to do. Yeah, it really is.

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Speaker 1: So Survivor fifty, we're in the second episode. Are you offended?

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Speaker 1: You weren't You weren't invited on this season? Or were you?

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Speaker 4: I was not invited and I made it very clear

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Speaker 4: So like that's what I tell myself is the reason

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Speaker 4: there's been a lot of you know, skinny strategy nerds,

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Speaker 4: this last episode pants well, I took my pants off,

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Speaker 4: but I did have a stomach issue. Yeah. In fact,

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Speaker 4: Christian's confessional about it, where he mentions gastro intestinal distress

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Speaker 4: like I've sort of touched by his beautiful homage to

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Speaker 3: Oh, I love it.

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Speaker 2: Well, you have a lot of I feel like even

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Speaker 1: I think, can we go back to him shooting his pants?

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Speaker 1: I have so many questions about like the logistics of

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Speaker 3: He does Okay.

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Speaker 1: So are you guys. Are you guys pooping in the ocean?

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Speaker 4: This is great. I'm so truly happy to be talking

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Speaker 4: When there so now Survivor only films on a beach, right,

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Speaker 4: And actually the ocean is a relatively antiseptic place to poop,

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Speaker 4: I think someone could make a fortune, and like leaf

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Speaker 4: toilet paper. It was like there was soft it was you.

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Speaker 3: Know, what are we given enough for pata?

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Speaker 2: I mean, I mean Dede was actually talking about that,

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Speaker 2: You know, what you sign up for. But what would

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Speaker 3: Maybe, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Tell us all about your book, Escape, Oh, thank you

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Speaker 1: so much.

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Speaker 4: Yes, So Escape is actually based on my life, as

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Speaker 1: This does this guy shit his pants at some point

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Speaker 4: Has exactly exactly Yeah, And while there he faces off

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Speaker 4: And so so far it's it's been going great.

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Speaker 3: It was a best seller and congratulation. That's amazing. I'm

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's been it's been an awesome ride so far.

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Speaker 4: And you know, for anybody listening, you know, if you're

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Speaker 3: I it would appeal to me.

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Speaker 4: It's got a great audiobook and it's actually won a

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Speaker 2: Okay, that from my cardio. I have one question. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: reality shows, right, but in Traders zero produced absolute less

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Speaker 2: than zero?

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Speaker 3: How about here did the do.

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Speaker 2: They producers step in every once in a while at

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Speaker 2: all or there?

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Speaker 4: Of course they're asked king interview questions. And I think

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Speaker 4: that's something that's really interesting, And that's one of the

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Speaker 4: things I explore in the book what you guys are

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Speaker 4: experienced with, like the way confessionals yeah, yeah, and the

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Speaker 4: way a question can kind of shape your thinking. But

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Speaker 4: I do think the Survivor producers, and that sounds like

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Speaker 4: the Traders' producers too, are really hands off because like

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Speaker 4: the format itself is so good, Like the format drives

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Speaker 4: the conflict. You don't need to like put your thumb

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Speaker 4: on the scale who.

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Speaker 1: Decides where you do your interviews because a lot of

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Speaker 1: times people are like awkwardly sitting on a tree looking sideway,

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Speaker 1: and I'm like, why was this the angle that we

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Speaker 1: thought was good?

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Speaker 4: That's really funny. That is absolutely something that these are

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Speaker 4: great observations. Yes, so you are sort of like led

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Speaker 4: to a place by a producer and you're like posed

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Speaker 4: there and they're like you know, it's so much of

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Speaker 4: it is about the light because you know, you're you're outside,

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Speaker 4: so it's like they've got like a bounce which reflects

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Speaker 4: the light from the sun. But you also like you know,

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Speaker 4: they're aware of the shadows. You have to be far

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Speaker 4: enough away from camp so that you can't be overheard, right,

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Speaker 4: and that nobody like kind of breaking off from camp

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Speaker 4: is going to stumble on you where you are, so yeah,

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Speaker 4: but they do sort of like pose you. So there

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Speaker 4: were all these life Yeah, it's so uncomfortable sometimes that's

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Speaker 4: that's really that's a very funny.

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Speaker 2: That's the only thing so they don't get anymore because that's.

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Speaker 3: A rough one.

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Speaker 1: Stephen, this has been so much fun u talking with

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Speaker 1: you and getting some behind the scenes stuff and hearing

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Speaker 1: about all the stuff that you're doing, especially with your

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Speaker 1: book Escape. We are going to ask you to stick

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Speaker 1: around for our next episode where we're going to recap

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Speaker 1: the entire episode two, which would be very fun. Everyone

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Speaker 1: out there, thank you so much for listening to by

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Speaker 1: order of the Faithful Survivor edition, we'll be back again

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Speaker 1: with more Steven who will be recapping episode two. See

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Speaker 1: you guys,