1 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:13,160 Speaker 1: I want to be nice. I try and be nice, 2 00:00:13,240 --> 00:00:15,239 Speaker 1: but every time we're about to hit record, one of 3 00:00:15,280 --> 00:00:18,439 Speaker 1: you hits me with this quote. Why doesn't Tennessee in 4 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:21,280 Speaker 1: Alabama play their game in Atlanta? That would be an 5 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:25,000 Speaker 1: easy sellout and give an equal playing field. That's the 6 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:26,720 Speaker 1: sound of me drop in the eye, Josh, this is 7 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:30,840 Speaker 1: the Late Kick Extra podcast. I am I'm shook. I'm shook. 8 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:33,320 Speaker 1: I pride myself I'm being levelheaded. I can't deal with 9 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:35,440 Speaker 1: this foolishness. Now. The general rule of thumb around here 10 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:37,480 Speaker 1: when we do the Late Kick Extra mail bag, which 11 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:39,839 Speaker 1: is just wall to wall question and answer some of 12 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:42,839 Speaker 1: them smarter questions than others, is once you say with 13 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 1: all due respect, you could just say anything you want 14 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 1: to after that. That was always me Mau's way of life. 15 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:51,239 Speaker 1: That is our way of life on this here program. 16 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:52,920 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say what are we doing? Because I 17 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:55,440 Speaker 1: know most of you are smahing right along with me, 18 00:00:55,760 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 1: But what is this particular person doing. Smart people say 19 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:03,160 Speaker 1: dumb things all the time. Dumb people rarely say smart things. 20 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 1: I always assume that if you are listening to this show, 21 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:09,399 Speaker 1: I think you're a smart person, you could say dumb things. 22 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:10,920 Speaker 1: I've been known to do it a time or two. 23 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 1: Let's just dive into this question that this is going 24 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:15,840 Speaker 1: to be our first question in case you haven't realized today, 25 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 1: because this is like politicians speak. This is someone who 26 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:20,920 Speaker 1: just woke up on a Thursday and said, you know, 27 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:23,080 Speaker 1: something needs to change day. I don't really even know 28 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:26,200 Speaker 1: what and it doesn't necessarily matter if it's broken or not. 29 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 1: We just need to go change something so I can 30 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:31,320 Speaker 1: hear myself talk. The question was why doesn't Tennessee and 31 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:34,080 Speaker 1: Alabama play their game in Atlanta? Because it doesn't belong 32 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:37,040 Speaker 1: in Atlanta. Allow me to answer right along with reading 33 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 1: the question. Because it doesn't belong in Atlanta because one 34 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:42,320 Speaker 1: of the teams is named Alabama, the other one is 35 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:45,680 Speaker 1: named Tennessee. And unless it's December and you've got a 36 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 1: conference championship on the line, or it were a playoff 37 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 1: scenario or scenario, it doesn't belong on a neutral site 38 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 1: and a neutral venue because no one associates Tennessee football 39 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 1: or Alabama football with Mercedes Benz Stadium. It's not the 40 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 1: way that works. We continue that would be an easy sellout, Yeah, 41 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:06,559 Speaker 1: as it would be in Niland Stadium, as it would 42 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 1: be in BRANDONNY Stadium if we're in it for the 43 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 1: gate receipts. By the way, might I remind you those 44 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:14,640 Speaker 1: venues seat what about twenty five or thirty k more 45 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 1: than Mercedes Benz Stadium. We continue, and it would give 46 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:21,919 Speaker 1: an equal playing field. I don't want an equal playing field. 47 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 1: Don't clip that individually and send it to HR. This 48 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:29,080 Speaker 1: is not a world, at least in the regular season, 49 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:31,960 Speaker 1: where you play on a level playing field, on an 50 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 1: equal playing field. Home field advantage or three words that 51 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 1: I thought we all understood that I thought we all valued. 52 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:39,840 Speaker 1: Can we just can we just talk about it for 53 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:43,720 Speaker 1: a second. Maybe you're in like a twenty seventeen Tacoma 54 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 1: and you're riding around Ackworth, Georgia. If you're listening to 55 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:50,800 Speaker 1: the show, you're probably a diehard college football fan. Have 56 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 1: you ever thought that an equal playing field when Georgia 57 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 1: plays Tennessee is important? Or Alabama plays Tennessee or South 58 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:02,080 Speaker 1: Carolina plays Tennessee. No, what do you think they build 59 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:04,960 Speaker 1: those big venues in your backyard for? It's so every 60 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 1: other year in division play at least or in cross 61 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 1: division rivalry play. It's so you can have home field advantage. 62 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:13,800 Speaker 1: It's so that it's so ninety five or one hundred 63 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:16,840 Speaker 1: thousand of your people can be a twelfth man. Texas 64 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 1: A and M has built an entire brand out of it. 65 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 1: Twelfth Man, Kyle Field, the twelfth Man. It exists for 66 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 1: a reason. This is not broken. We don't need to 67 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:26,920 Speaker 1: fix this. We don't need an equal playing field. And 68 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 1: one hundred percent of the time when Alabama goes to 69 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 1: Niland Stadium, I can guarantee you Tennessee is going to 70 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:36,960 Speaker 1: visit Bryant Denny Stadium twelve months from them, so it 71 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 1: will all even out. Last year, I was on the 72 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 1: sideline for Alabama at Tennessee. One of the very most 73 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 1: memorable events and experiences I've ever had. We assisted in 74 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 1: surfing the goalpost out into the river. We were there, 75 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 1: We were there for it, all choked on cigar smoke 76 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 1: on the sideline, even though it was an outdoor venue. 77 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:58,200 Speaker 1: I lived it. I saw that Alabama team have to 78 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:01,560 Speaker 1: be police escorted out of there, and it was scary 79 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 1: but beautiful, you know, kind of like a baby being born, 80 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:09,640 Speaker 1: scary but beautiful in its own unique way. That was beautiful. 81 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 1: Not for an Alabama safety maybe, but for a Tennessee 82 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:15,840 Speaker 1: fan who is eighteen years old and therefore cannot even 83 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:19,119 Speaker 1: recall a time in their existence when Tennessee had beaten 84 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 1: them and they were old enough to know what was 85 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:22,719 Speaker 1: going on, that was a beautiful moment. Why don't we 86 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 1: move it to Atlanta? Because it would suck if it 87 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:27,640 Speaker 1: were moved to Atlanta. Not that there's any great petition 88 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 1: out there to make this happen, but there have been 89 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:32,040 Speaker 1: rumors floating around which we have tried our best to 90 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:34,839 Speaker 1: get out in front of and exacerbate to get batted down, 91 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:37,680 Speaker 1: that OU Texas could one day move to AT and 92 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 1: T Stadium, and that would be a horrible, horrible move. 93 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:43,280 Speaker 1: And by the way, that's already a game played in 94 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:45,120 Speaker 1: a neutral site. But as you know, if you listen 95 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:48,280 Speaker 1: to late Cake, there are two games, really one and 96 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:51,560 Speaker 1: kind of a second one that we grandfather in to 97 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:54,600 Speaker 1: accepting even though it's on a neutral site. One of 98 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 1: them is OU Texas. One of them is you know, 99 00:04:57,000 --> 00:05:01,240 Speaker 1: Georgia Florida. Obviously, when they play Army that's its own game. 100 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 1: That is a separate conversation. But by and large, when 101 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:07,480 Speaker 1: some of these older grandfathered in games are played, OU 102 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 1: Texas being played at the Cotton Bowl. That's a college 103 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 1: football environment. There's nothing sterile or sanitized about it at all. 104 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 1: Quite the opposite, and likewise with Georgia, Florida, very intense environment. 105 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:19,599 Speaker 1: I don't mind those. I certainly want them to be 106 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 1: the exception to the rule. But there's this rumor that 107 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:25,840 Speaker 1: maybe one day they'll move that game, the OU Texas game, 108 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 1: to the AT and T Stadium instead of Cotton Bull 109 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:31,599 Speaker 1: and I hate for that to even be circulating. So 110 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:33,480 Speaker 1: we try and get out in front of it and 111 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 1: spread the rumor so that people are forced to bat 112 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:37,920 Speaker 1: it down. I think that is our great service to 113 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:40,480 Speaker 1: the college football community. How are you doing this morning 114 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 1: or this afternoon? You may be listening in the afternoon. 115 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:45,719 Speaker 1: I should have done the intro like five minutes ago, 116 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 1: but I was just so worked up. To be honest, 117 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:51,599 Speaker 1: I'm still kind of out of breath. A more professional person, 118 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:54,040 Speaker 1: since this is the podcast, would hit pause so he 119 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:56,919 Speaker 1: could take a chug out of this public's spring water jug, 120 00:05:57,000 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 1: but is not me. So I just keep right on 121 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:08,480 Speaker 1: rolling as I hydrate. This is a Thursday recording. This week, 122 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 1: that's when you're getting it. It's been a busy week. 123 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 1: We've been up in State College, We've been at Penn State. 124 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 1: I was there Monday and Tuesday, came back Wednesday. We're 125 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 1: doing a Late Kick extra Thursday morning, which is when 126 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 1: we're dropping this. Then we're doing Late Kick Live on 127 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:22,880 Speaker 1: Thursday night, and it may be Saturday by the time 128 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:25,039 Speaker 1: you're listening to this, which means it's all already happened. 129 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:28,719 Speaker 1: Every time I go on trips, though, I promise you something. 130 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:31,359 Speaker 1: I promise you some stories. When I come back, I 131 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:34,120 Speaker 1: promise you a little access, a little behind the curtain 132 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 1: peak at where I was, and I'm going to give 133 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 1: you that. With Penn State, the comments have been interesting. 134 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:41,040 Speaker 1: We played the James Franklin interview and they were very 135 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 1: very kind, and he was very very candid. I think 136 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:45,919 Speaker 1: those of you who listened to that already know what 137 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:48,240 Speaker 1: I mean. If you haven't the full interviews on the 138 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 1: YouTube channel Late Kick, you can go find it right now. 139 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:52,919 Speaker 1: But they were really, really kind, and they opened the 140 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:56,880 Speaker 1: entire program up. We got both coordinators. We got Jay 141 00:06:56,880 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 1: one Sider, running backs coach. I absolutely think that guy 142 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 1: could be a head coach tomorrow if he really wanted 143 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 1: to be. One excellent excellent ambassador for any program. Knows 144 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 1: the game, former quarterback, so he gets the game from 145 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:12,960 Speaker 1: more than just the perspective of a position, coach, of 146 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:16,640 Speaker 1: a room, and just man. He thinks above the surface. 147 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 1: He has more a ten thousand foot view instead of 148 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:22,840 Speaker 1: a ground level view. And it was refreshing and he's 149 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:25,560 Speaker 1: really he really makes it easy to understand why guys 150 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 1: want to go there and play for him. But we 151 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 1: got a bunch of players too. Talk to Drew Aller, 152 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 1: you know, talk to Curtis Jacobs, talk to Abdul Carter, 153 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 1: talked to a lot of those guys. Here's what I gathered, 154 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 1: and I want to ask you what you get from 155 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 1: Penn State. What I gathered is it's a program very 156 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:41,560 Speaker 1: very happy, but not content. They're happy that they just 157 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 1: won the Rose Bowl, not at all content. Every building's unique. 158 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:47,560 Speaker 1: When I go in these places, sometimes you don't even 159 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:49,360 Speaker 1: know I'm there because I'm not there to do a show. 160 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 1: So I'll be in places sometimes, you know, between shows, 161 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 1: just on a Monday or a Wednesday, and I don't 162 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 1: even publicize it because I'm asked not to and I 163 00:07:57,560 --> 00:08:00,240 Speaker 1: respect that. But when I can talk about it is 164 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:02,400 Speaker 1: the case now I'll tell you when you go in 165 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 1: certain buildings, there's a different energy. When you go in 166 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 1: Penn State's building, there's like a nervous, excited energy. And 167 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:11,200 Speaker 1: it's because they know they've got the biggest opportunity they've 168 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:13,000 Speaker 1: had to date. They don't run from it either, they 169 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 1: don't shy away from it, they don't downplay it. But 170 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 1: at the same time, either're focused on the task at hand, 171 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 1: and they know they've got two big monsters in the 172 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 1: Big ten to deal with in Ohio State and Michigan. 173 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 1: But also they know there's a lot that is within 174 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 1: their control that in some cases they haven't capitalized on. 175 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:34,199 Speaker 1: And I know NIL is a big deal nationally right 176 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:37,720 Speaker 1: now at Penn State, it's even bigger a deal. There's 177 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:41,040 Speaker 1: been some infighting up there, for lack of a better term, 178 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:44,960 Speaker 1: there's been some resistance to change at Pate State. For example, 179 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:47,040 Speaker 1: we know we're supposed to be all in on football. 180 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 1: Football drives the revenue boat. Every other sport exists because 181 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:53,600 Speaker 1: of football. Now, these are common sense facts I'm giving you. 182 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 1: Everyone listening to this podcast knows that it's just that 183 00:08:57,320 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 1: some people are unwilling to admit it publicly. State and 184 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 1: They're certainly not alone in this. But at Penn State, 185 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 1: there may be some powers that be behind the scenes 186 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 1: up there that are of the opinion that when it 187 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:11,560 Speaker 1: comes to nil, when it comes to revenue distribution, we've 188 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:14,280 Speaker 1: got to We've got to divide this pie more evenly. 189 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 1: We've got to make sure lacrosse is taken care of. 190 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:19,720 Speaker 1: We we got to give soccer a kickback, and also 191 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 1: we can fit football in there. Well, that's not the 192 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:24,560 Speaker 1: way it works, and James Franklin's been fighting that battle 193 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 1: behind the scenes. Anytime I talk about Franklin and Penn State, 194 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:31,319 Speaker 1: you've noticed the past two years I've spoken in code. Well, 195 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 1: now I'll just tell you out in the open, because 196 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:36,080 Speaker 1: he told you this week they have hamstrung him, They've 197 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 1: handcuffed him a little bit behind the scenes. Now, there 198 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:41,080 Speaker 1: are some very powerful names up there, including some names 199 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 1: that even if you're the head coach of Penn State football, 200 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 1: you're not more powerful than in the grand scheme of things. 201 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:49,720 Speaker 1: And there have been some names and some figures up 202 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 1: there that have stood in the way of progress for 203 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:56,000 Speaker 1: that football program. It seems to me, in talking on 204 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 1: and off the record with people up there, it seems 205 00:09:57,800 --> 00:10:00,319 Speaker 1: to me like the tables may have turned over the 206 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:02,760 Speaker 1: past year, and Franklin, for his credit, was on the 207 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:05,000 Speaker 1: record as saying, we're getting more yes is now than 208 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 1: we've ever gotten. But at the same time, before he 209 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:10,760 Speaker 1: sat down for the live show the other night with us, 210 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 1: he also talked about how they're two years behind a 211 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:16,199 Speaker 1: lot of the big brands out there, the Ohio States, 212 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:19,640 Speaker 1: the Alabamas, et ceteras. They're two years behind them, so 213 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:22,200 Speaker 1: there's catching up to do. I don't think it is 214 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:25,920 Speaker 1: torpedo they're recruiting, though. That's the benefit because they already 215 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:28,200 Speaker 1: sort of have a different approach in recruiting to begin with. 216 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:31,600 Speaker 1: And the guys that are attracted to Penn State, they 217 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 1: were never attracted because Penn State's offering them dollar for 218 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 1: dollar more than any program in the country. They go 219 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:39,680 Speaker 1: there sometimes for a little bit different reason. But anyway, 220 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 1: that's the stuff out in front of the curtain. Behind 221 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 1: the curtain, let me tell you how this went down. 222 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:46,959 Speaker 1: We got a few places we want to go every spring. 223 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:48,839 Speaker 1: Penn State was absolutely one of them. Won't be the 224 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:51,840 Speaker 1: last one. I will make another announcement under three or 225 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 1: five when I can. But Penn state was one I 226 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:57,640 Speaker 1: wanted to get to. They were very accommodating. So James 227 00:10:57,679 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 1: Franklin's office has this really big pad. You've got the 228 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 1: Lash Football building and on the second floor you've got 229 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:08,400 Speaker 1: all the administrative offices, the coach's offices. Franklin's office obviously 230 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:11,720 Speaker 1: has a big corner office. It overlooks the three practice fields. 231 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:14,160 Speaker 1: You've got the indoor also over there, but you've got 232 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:17,240 Speaker 1: two grass fields and one evil turf field. We're not 233 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:18,760 Speaker 1: fans of turf here, but you got to have it. 234 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:22,440 Speaker 1: And then his office has a great big balcony and 235 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:25,320 Speaker 1: it overlooks everything. So we're thinking about where to set 236 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:27,680 Speaker 1: up for the show. He just says, why don't you 237 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 1: just set up on my balcony? And that's kind of like, hey, hey, 238 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:32,440 Speaker 1: why don't you just have your concert in my backyard. 239 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:33,839 Speaker 1: Well I didn't know that was an opportunity to that. 240 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:36,200 Speaker 1: I didn't know it was possible, But since you mentioned that, yeah, 241 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:38,120 Speaker 1: we'll do it. We'll gladly do it. So we set 242 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:41,120 Speaker 1: up there. Here was the dynamic. We did the interview 243 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:43,360 Speaker 1: with him, the actual sit down interview you saw the 244 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:46,000 Speaker 1: day before. So we went in the big team, you know, 245 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:48,960 Speaker 1: movie theater style meeting room, and we met with him. 246 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:51,360 Speaker 1: We did not have to cut a single thing. I 247 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:55,360 Speaker 1: always tell these coaches if we're pre recording something, feel 248 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 1: free to go as far down any lane as you 249 00:11:57,679 --> 00:12:01,079 Speaker 1: want to, and at the end, I will ask you, 250 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:03,880 Speaker 1: is there anything that you want cut out of this now? 251 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:06,280 Speaker 1: In a real sixty minute style interview. You know, in 252 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:09,280 Speaker 1: the pure journalism world, that's not what you do. Well, 253 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:12,240 Speaker 1: that's not the world I exist in, and so I'm 254 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:14,559 Speaker 1: happy to sort of work hand in hand with these coaches. 255 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:19,840 Speaker 1: Franklin never said a word about excluding anything and maybe 256 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:22,720 Speaker 1: cutting out any road we went down. He wanted it 257 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:25,200 Speaker 1: all out there, and I was happy to oblige, obviously, 258 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 1: and he gave us some good stuff. But later on 259 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:30,440 Speaker 1: the next day we met with a lot of players. 260 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:32,559 Speaker 1: We've got his interview already in the can. And then 261 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 1: Tuesday at or Wednesday afternoon, what was it, wait, Tuesday afternoon, Yeah, 262 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:39,200 Speaker 1: we go watch practice and we got to watch the 263 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:41,679 Speaker 1: whole practice. Media normally gets fifteen minutes. We just got 264 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:44,160 Speaker 1: to watch the whole thing to ourselves, and that was good. 265 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:45,760 Speaker 1: And there's a lot of stuff I can't talk about 266 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 1: as a result of that because it's a closed practice 267 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 1: for a reason. That's a good team, though, really good team. 268 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:56,120 Speaker 1: Maybe a little more quality depth in certain positions than 269 00:12:56,160 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 1: you consider there to be. But we did this show 270 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:02,800 Speaker 1: that night from his patio. Here was the setting, very unique. 271 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 1: We're doing the show and I'm over on the balcony 272 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:08,320 Speaker 1: right against the rail so you can see everything behind me, 273 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:11,360 Speaker 1: and the stadium has the little Nitney Lion logo lit 274 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:13,120 Speaker 1: up in the background. The practice fields are lit up 275 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:15,360 Speaker 1: really really great scene, really great spectacle, look like a 276 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 1: green screen. And James Franklin is in his office like 277 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:23,079 Speaker 1: fifteen or twenty feet away at the window, watching us 278 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 1: as he eats his dinner out of two styrofoam boxes. 279 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 1: So it's kind of like Ryan in the office when 280 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:32,679 Speaker 1: he got put behind the reception desk while Pam was gone. 281 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 1: And every time he looks up, Michael is staring through 282 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:38,240 Speaker 1: the blinds in his office at him, and then they 283 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:40,400 Speaker 1: make eye contact and Michael looks away, and then he 284 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 1: looks over there again and Michaels staring at him again. Hey, 285 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:45,679 Speaker 1: kind of the same energy. James Franklin's watching us. You 286 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:47,960 Speaker 1: can't make one false move on that patio it's his 287 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:51,520 Speaker 1: patio after all, so he could evict us at any time. 288 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:54,319 Speaker 1: But that was fun. Also probably the highlight of these 289 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:57,040 Speaker 1: trips for me, as I get to pretty much always 290 00:13:57,160 --> 00:13:59,640 Speaker 1: use the weight room. Everywhere I've been, they've given me 291 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:02,840 Speaker 1: the oppertunity, I think everywhere. Yeah, pretty much, eywhere I've been, 292 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:04,600 Speaker 1: they've given me the opportunity if I wanted to to 293 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:07,240 Speaker 1: use the weight room, which is an obvious yes. So 294 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:09,840 Speaker 1: at Penn State, you know, there are some things in 295 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:12,240 Speaker 1: there the public hasn't really seen. It's not up to 296 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:14,600 Speaker 1: me to show it to you. I'm sure when they're ready, 297 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:17,319 Speaker 1: they'll show it to you. It's a very very recent expansion, 298 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:20,920 Speaker 1: recent upgrades, so there's a lot in there that I 299 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 1: won't say it's proprietary, but probably unique to Penn State. 300 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 1: I can tell you there are things in there I 301 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:29,000 Speaker 1: haven't seen. There's equipment in there I haven't used anywhere else. 302 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:32,600 Speaker 1: I had to ask questions. I mean, me, a supposed 303 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:34,880 Speaker 1: gem expert. I go to every one of them I 304 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:38,600 Speaker 1: can get myself into. I'm over there asking Hey, what 305 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:41,320 Speaker 1: does this do? Hey? What does that do? That's always 306 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 1: a good thing because if I'm asking that question with 307 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:45,680 Speaker 1: the exposure I've had to these places. That means you're 308 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:49,480 Speaker 1: on the forefront, the cutting edge of the gym technology scene. 309 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:51,640 Speaker 1: So I was in there and it was a very 310 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 1: very interesting environment because the practice fields back up to 311 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:57,680 Speaker 1: the gym, So you talk about being in a perfect environment. 312 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:01,800 Speaker 1: Right before practice Wednesday, once we got done with our 313 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 1: player interviews and write before practice, I'm getting the shoulder 314 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:07,720 Speaker 1: workout in and there's a big garage door that takes 315 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 1: you right from the gym out to the practice fields, 316 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:14,480 Speaker 1: so you can you can imagine how in heaven I 317 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:17,160 Speaker 1: was when you can go do a rep of overhead 318 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 1: barbelle military press and then you do a little super 319 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:22,360 Speaker 1: set and with maybe some delt raises and then you 320 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:24,760 Speaker 1: rack the weight. You got about a two minute rest, 321 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:26,840 Speaker 1: so you can just waltz out on the practice field 322 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:29,240 Speaker 1: and watch a few reps of ones versus ones and 323 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:32,000 Speaker 1: then walk right back in the gym and continue your set. 324 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:35,320 Speaker 1: And they pay you for it. That's the crazy part. 325 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:39,880 Speaker 1: You're actually doing it for a living. Meanwhile, ninety nine 326 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:42,520 Speaker 1: point nine percent of the free college football world out 327 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:46,280 Speaker 1: there would pay to have that access, and that is 328 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 1: not lost on me, by the way. That's because of you. 329 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 1: We get to do that, so thank you for that. 330 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:52,320 Speaker 1: What else did we see? Oh? Oh, so they've got 331 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:56,080 Speaker 1: a creamery, like you know, an ice cream maker place, 332 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:58,760 Speaker 1: a creamery. Trust me, I'm not an expert in this field, 333 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:00,640 Speaker 1: but they've got one on campus. It's a big deal. 334 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 1: Everyone around Penn State knows it. So the creamery is 335 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:06,600 Speaker 1: on campus, and everyone told me as I was going 336 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:08,520 Speaker 1: up there, hey, make sure, if you've got time, you 337 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:11,520 Speaker 1: go over to the creamery. Every place I go, people 338 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:14,200 Speaker 1: tell me the areas that I should visit, the places 339 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:16,200 Speaker 1: I should visit, and the creamery was one of them 340 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 1: at Penn State. So you can imagine how welcome a 341 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 1: relief it was when I was walking in the building 342 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:25,000 Speaker 1: and we've got you know, we got Greg Kincaid or 343 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:27,960 Speaker 1: our hook up at Penn State. Great dude, elect him 344 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:30,720 Speaker 1: as president next cycle if he runs. Took care of 345 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:33,840 Speaker 1: us in a way that few others ever, including our parents, 346 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:36,400 Speaker 1: have taken care of us. Greg's marching us through the 347 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:39,120 Speaker 1: building and we walked by all the coolers and he says, hey, 348 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:43,120 Speaker 1: grab any food you want, Hey, any drinks, any protein shakes, 349 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:46,480 Speaker 1: any milkshakes you want? I say, hold on, Greg, Hold 350 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:48,400 Speaker 1: on just a second. You're throwing a lot at me. 351 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:50,800 Speaker 1: Did you say milkshakes? Is that what I heard come 352 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 1: out of your mouth? He said, oh, yeah, yeah, you 353 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:55,240 Speaker 1: know we got the creamery right. I said, yes, I 354 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 1: heard such things, and he said, yeah, well take a 355 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:00,160 Speaker 1: look at that, and he pointed to this cooler and 356 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:02,640 Speaker 1: it's like the Fort Knox of creamries. It's like the 357 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:04,960 Speaker 1: Fort Knox of milkshakes. You open it up and it's 358 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:07,960 Speaker 1: just any of the flavors you want, and you could 359 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:09,879 Speaker 1: have downed twenty of them if you wanted to, and 360 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:12,360 Speaker 1: they wouldn't have even been able to tell anyone made 361 00:17:12,359 --> 00:17:16,400 Speaker 1: a dent in it. So I got into the creamery stash. 362 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:19,840 Speaker 1: I got into the milk steak stash fairly significantly. Each 363 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:23,080 Speaker 1: of those bottles has four hundred and eighty calories in it. 364 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:26,800 Speaker 1: I'm out there asking Nick Singleton Olufashanu. I'm talking to 365 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:29,120 Speaker 1: all these guys that are all going to be first 366 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:32,000 Speaker 1: round picks one day, and they're all talking about their 367 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:35,399 Speaker 1: weight gain, and then I find out what they have 368 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 1: access to, and it's not a surprise. I don't know 369 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:40,919 Speaker 1: how anyone loses weight at Penn State. How do you 370 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:42,919 Speaker 1: lose weight. It's got to be the biggest roster in 371 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:45,600 Speaker 1: the Big ten because they've got access to the same 372 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:48,440 Speaker 1: stuff that Memo's cows would have had access to growing up. 373 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:51,919 Speaker 1: It's such a beautiful thing. Nutrition staff they're great, Strength 374 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:55,240 Speaker 1: and conditioning staff's great. Coaching staff's great. Didn't have one 375 00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:58,800 Speaker 1: bad interaction, didn't have one bad experience, and got a 376 00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:01,720 Speaker 1: lot of friends in the state. Beat up there saw 377 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:04,680 Speaker 1: Sean Callahan, Sean Fitz. Sean Fitz went on to work 378 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:07,199 Speaker 1: for another company that shan't be named, but I can 379 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:10,000 Speaker 1: still shout him out. That's fine fits he walks around. 380 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:12,840 Speaker 1: He's like seven foot four, sort of an ogre, like 381 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:18,159 Speaker 1: a really sweet, friendly, kind, good looking ogre. Wopsed amongst 382 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:20,440 Speaker 1: us doesn't know the type right. So the Penn State 383 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:23,680 Speaker 1: trip was great. Now the drum rule starts. Where are 384 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:25,840 Speaker 1: we going next? I shouldn't have started the drum role 385 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:27,480 Speaker 1: because I'm not ready to announce it this morning. But 386 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:29,359 Speaker 1: it's going to be fun and it's going to be 387 00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:32,600 Speaker 1: pretty soon, So just stay tuned and it will be 388 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:36,120 Speaker 1: again a program that every one of you out there 389 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:38,840 Speaker 1: has an opinion on. I've been having a lot of 390 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:41,080 Speaker 1: fun reading your opinions on Penn State since we took 391 00:18:41,080 --> 00:18:43,280 Speaker 1: this trip so and I'm always open to those opinions. 392 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:45,320 Speaker 1: Someone's going to be right. When you gather enough opinions, 393 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:47,320 Speaker 1: someone's going to be right. All right, let's get to 394 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:50,320 Speaker 1: the next question in the mail bag our close personal 395 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:54,000 Speaker 1: buddy Diesel up in Greenville. He asked what negative consequences 396 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:59,920 Speaker 1: of Power five conferences breaking away would you expect to see? 397 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:01,800 Speaker 1: This one is one where on the surface you may 398 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:04,320 Speaker 1: not think there are any consequences, but if you appreciate 399 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 1: the sport, like if you are a college football fan, 400 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:10,480 Speaker 1: then there are consequences. If you're a fan of or 401 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 1: if you're a fan of a lot of people having opportunity, 402 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:16,880 Speaker 1: which I happen to be, then there are consequences because 403 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 1: you got to understand what we mean, or what Diesel 404 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:22,639 Speaker 1: means when he says breakaway, breakaway means the sec in 405 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:25,080 Speaker 1: the big ten. Well, let me back up, okay, let 406 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:28,080 Speaker 1: me not get out ahead of myself. We think in 407 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:30,959 Speaker 1: terms of Power five right now. We think if you're 408 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:33,440 Speaker 1: brand new to the sport, when people say power five, 409 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:37,640 Speaker 1: it's sec Big ten, acc Big twelve, PAC twelve. Those 410 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:40,199 Speaker 1: are sort of the big boy conferences where it's understood 411 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:43,800 Speaker 1: the athleticism is a little bit better, the resources are 412 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:47,840 Speaker 1: more plentiful. Well, we're kind of in a world where 413 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:49,880 Speaker 1: more and more every day we're moving towards a big two, 414 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:52,520 Speaker 1: and that's the SEC in the Big ten, and then 415 00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:54,280 Speaker 1: a little bit of a gap, or maybe not a 416 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:56,440 Speaker 1: little bit, maybe a lot of a gap, and then 417 00:19:56,560 --> 00:19:59,600 Speaker 1: whatever else is out there. I'm not so sure. We 418 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:02,560 Speaker 1: may not headed to a three tiered system where you 419 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:05,840 Speaker 1: have the big two, then you have the middle tier, 420 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:09,760 Speaker 1: which is whatever three conferences, maybe maybe four, and then 421 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:12,760 Speaker 1: you have the lower tier. But anyway, when we talk 422 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 1: about breaking away, all we're talking about is the most 423 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:19,160 Speaker 1: powerful conferences. So clearly the SEC in the Big ten 424 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:21,800 Speaker 1: would be amongst them. If there's more great but let's 425 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:25,040 Speaker 1: say at least the SEC in the Big ten. We're 426 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:27,359 Speaker 1: talking about them looking around in the room and saying, 427 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 1: we're powerful enough. We don't need to be associated with 428 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:34,520 Speaker 1: the NCAA, we don't need nc DOUBLEA affiliation. We're gonna 429 00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:36,280 Speaker 1: break away. We're gonna do our own thing. We're gonna 430 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:38,280 Speaker 1: have our own guidance, we're gonna have our own rules, 431 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:41,359 Speaker 1: we're gonna broker our own TV deals, which they already do. 432 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:45,040 Speaker 1: We're not going to have governance from an outside entity. 433 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:50,159 Speaker 1: We're going to govern internally. Could happen? Could happen? A 434 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:52,920 Speaker 1: lot of people think it's gonna happen one day, five 435 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:55,480 Speaker 1: minutes from now, fifteen years from now. But a lot 436 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:58,200 Speaker 1: of people think it's gonna happen. Well, when it does happen, 437 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:01,920 Speaker 1: what does that mean? Well, it means that a lot 438 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:04,679 Speaker 1: of the resource dries up, a lot of the money 439 00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:08,000 Speaker 1: that is fed down, that trickles a little bit down 440 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:10,320 Speaker 1: to what you would call the G five level, and 441 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:12,920 Speaker 1: then the FCS level, it dries up. Because you've got 442 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 1: to think, and I don't know this to be a fact, 443 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:18,800 Speaker 1: but you got to think, if there is a splitting away, 444 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:24,960 Speaker 1: the scheduling model starts to include only those kinds of teams. 445 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:30,000 Speaker 1: So there is no Ohio State playing Miami of Ohio. 446 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:34,000 Speaker 1: There is no Georgia playing Louisiana Monroe. I would not 447 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:36,320 Speaker 1: think that would be in the cards. And you may 448 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:38,399 Speaker 1: not care about that. In fact, you may be like me. 449 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:41,959 Speaker 1: You may say good, the more competitive the schedule, the 450 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:45,400 Speaker 1: more entertaining the product is the better. And yeah, from 451 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:49,560 Speaker 1: a pure fall Saturday television perspective. That's true. That's where 452 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:51,239 Speaker 1: we have to stop and ask ourselves. How do we 453 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:54,240 Speaker 1: balance what we say we care about. I'm the same 454 00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:56,560 Speaker 1: as you. If you're out there rooting for that, I'm 455 00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:59,959 Speaker 1: the same way you are. I love more competitive matchup. 456 00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:03,480 Speaker 1: I'd a whole lot rather watch Georgia play LSU more 457 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:06,240 Speaker 1: often than I see him play Louisiana Monroe. All due 458 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:08,600 Speaker 1: respect to the Warhawks. That that's the way it is. 459 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:11,199 Speaker 1: There's the Bruce Hornsby reference. That's just the way it is. 460 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:15,760 Speaker 1: Maybe some things will never change. Maybe they will. But 461 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:17,879 Speaker 1: what else do we care about? Because I would be 462 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 1: a liar if I said the end. I just told you, 463 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:23,960 Speaker 1: like what two minutes ago, that I care about opportunity. Well, 464 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:26,920 Speaker 1: I care about the opportunity for Louisiana Monroe football to exist, 465 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:30,840 Speaker 1: and for those players on scholarship to have that opportunity. Well, 466 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:33,160 Speaker 1: they rely on that seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars 467 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:35,879 Speaker 1: paycheck where they get to go play Georgia. Maybe they 468 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:37,439 Speaker 1: get be forty eight to three and they're in a 469 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:39,480 Speaker 1: coma on the way home, but they got the paycheck, 470 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:42,680 Speaker 1: and that's going into a scholarship fund, and that's going 471 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:45,479 Speaker 1: into facility upgrades and enhancements, and that's going into an 472 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:51,280 Speaker 1: experience that maybe a left guard leverages and utilizes into 473 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:54,240 Speaker 1: a springboard to go and become a sixth round draft pick. 474 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:56,960 Speaker 1: And he holds down a reserve spot on an NFL 475 00:22:57,080 --> 00:22:59,960 Speaker 1: roster with three different clubs for seven years, ends up 476 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:02,960 Speaker 1: starting in the twilight of his career for another three years, 477 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:07,280 Speaker 1: gets himself into that NFL retirement conversation, NFL pension conversation, 478 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:11,720 Speaker 1: changes his entire life financially. And he was never a 479 00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:14,520 Speaker 1: name that was at the forefront of any all pro conversation, 480 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:17,359 Speaker 1: but he was in the mix because Louisiana mon Roe 481 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:19,320 Speaker 1: Football put him on the radar. And he's in the mix, 482 00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:23,760 Speaker 1: and all the contacts and the network of relationships that 483 00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:26,200 Speaker 1: he built sets him up to where when he's thirty 484 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:28,840 Speaker 1: three years old, he starts his own company and ends 485 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:31,119 Speaker 1: up changing the lives of many, many more people. It 486 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:35,399 Speaker 1: is amazing what that platform can do. There is no 487 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:38,639 Speaker 1: quantifiable way to know how many of those opportunities we 488 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:43,320 Speaker 1: are erasing when we detach major major college football from 489 00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:46,000 Speaker 1: just kind of major college football, but I know it's there. 490 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:49,360 Speaker 1: I know, I certainly know we're not adding opportunities now. 491 00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:52,360 Speaker 1: We're adding some entertainment opportunities for me and you. And 492 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:55,520 Speaker 1: do we owe it to the Louisiana Monros of the world. 493 00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:58,880 Speaker 1: I guess technically we don't. But you know, I don't 494 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:01,760 Speaker 1: owe it to an old lady who's one hundred and 495 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:04,720 Speaker 1: three years old and can barely look up because she's 496 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 1: hunched over as she's using her walker to get around. 497 00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:08,960 Speaker 1: I don't owe it to her to open the door 498 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:11,720 Speaker 1: for I'm going to open the door for not because 499 00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:15,400 Speaker 1: any law tells me to. Common sense, ethics, morals they 500 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:19,000 Speaker 1: tell me to, and I think from those lenses, I 501 00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:21,040 Speaker 1: know it's the dirty word to talk about that these 502 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:24,000 Speaker 1: days in college athletics morality and ethics and whatnot. But 503 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:27,439 Speaker 1: from those lenses, how do you testify that? I don't know. 504 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:29,720 Speaker 1: I have trouble with it, and that's why I have 505 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:32,640 Speaker 1: trouble putting myself in the shoes of a major college 506 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:34,600 Speaker 1: football commissioner. You know, I go back and forth with 507 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:37,040 Speaker 1: some of you all the time on this about how 508 00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:39,359 Speaker 1: you think those guys are so greedy and they're just 509 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:41,680 Speaker 1: looking out for their best interest, and you're kind of right, 510 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:45,440 Speaker 1: You're kind of right. That's their job. They are not philanthropists. 511 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:48,240 Speaker 1: They don't hire Greg Sanki to look out for the 512 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:52,119 Speaker 1: best interest of the entire sport. Hopefully the decisions that 513 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:55,320 Speaker 1: he makes can align with what's in the best interest 514 00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:57,360 Speaker 1: of the sport, and I think he has to value 515 00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:01,200 Speaker 1: that because the greater good of the sec is served 516 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:04,719 Speaker 1: when it's existing against the backdrop of a really strong 517 00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:08,280 Speaker 1: college football. But when OU and Texas are out there 518 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:11,760 Speaker 1: and they're available, and they're knocking on your door, and 519 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:13,359 Speaker 1: you know if you don't open it, they're just going 520 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:16,240 Speaker 1: to go to the Big ten. It's not greedy to 521 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:20,000 Speaker 1: snatch them up. It's competitive and economical common sense to 522 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:21,960 Speaker 1: snatch them up. There is no other option. You don't 523 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:23,720 Speaker 1: have the option to say no if you want to 524 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:25,440 Speaker 1: keep your job. That is so, then we get a 525 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:27,399 Speaker 1: little ways down the road and it comes time to 526 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:29,439 Speaker 1: make the decision. Do you press the button? Do you 527 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:33,840 Speaker 1: split away? And do you cost thousands of folks opportunities 528 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:36,560 Speaker 1: in the process while at the same time propping yourself 529 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:39,200 Speaker 1: up for a huge financial gain. I don't envy the 530 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:41,239 Speaker 1: people that have to make those decisions. I know from 531 00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:44,200 Speaker 1: my perspective. I hope it doesn't happen. I think that's 532 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:47,679 Speaker 1: where I stand on it. But then again, my perspective 533 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:50,200 Speaker 1: is not the same. My vantage point's not the same 534 00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:53,080 Speaker 1: as theirs. Let's move it on here. Good mailbag, good, good, 535 00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:55,400 Speaker 1: healthy mailbag. Could probably use this one for the next 536 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:58,919 Speaker 1: three shows. Brandon from Norman, Oklahoma, He asked, do you 537 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:02,119 Speaker 1: feel that over reciting a position group is necessary for 538 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:05,720 Speaker 1: college football programs to do and today's transfer portal age 539 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:09,320 Speaker 1: signing a quarterback every year for example, Yes, because you 540 00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:11,720 Speaker 1: can't know what you don't know. I was talking about 541 00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:14,359 Speaker 1: this with someone at Penn State the other day, just 542 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:16,600 Speaker 1: kind of a staffer. I was talking about how if 543 00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:18,720 Speaker 1: I were running a program, if I'm at Payton State, 544 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:22,240 Speaker 1: I'm recruiting quarterbacks every year. I don't care if I 545 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:24,080 Speaker 1: have Drew Aller, I don't care if I just got 546 00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:27,000 Speaker 1: Jackson Smolick at USC. I don't care if I got 547 00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:29,800 Speaker 1: Kayleb williams Now and I got Malachi Nelson in the wings. 548 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:33,439 Speaker 1: I'm recruiting one every year because you cannot possibly know 549 00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:37,560 Speaker 1: in the portal age what the future holds. And as 550 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:40,399 Speaker 1: it was explained to me, and I'll reiterate to you, guys, 551 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:44,439 Speaker 1: what changed was not the portal. What changed is the 552 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:47,480 Speaker 1: one time exemption, in other words, being able to transfer 553 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:50,320 Speaker 1: without penalty. That's what changed. People could always transfer, they 554 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:52,159 Speaker 1: just hardly ever did because they were gonna have to 555 00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:54,040 Speaker 1: sit out a year. And now that you don't have 556 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:57,040 Speaker 1: to sit out a year on the first transfer, that 557 00:26:57,160 --> 00:26:59,840 Speaker 1: opens the floodgates. So if I'm putting together a roster, 558 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:03,520 Speaker 1: especially with the most important position group in mind, how 559 00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:06,359 Speaker 1: do you not how do you ever plan out the 560 00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:08,680 Speaker 1: next three or four years when you can't know what 561 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:10,880 Speaker 1: the three or four weeks in front of you after 562 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:13,320 Speaker 1: spring could hold. Sometimes you don't even know what the 563 00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:15,720 Speaker 1: next three or four seconds holds. I e right now, 564 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:22,760 Speaker 1: boom got them, And I'm recording this by myself, so 565 00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:24,760 Speaker 1: I'm not even having to listen to Colin or Jesse 566 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:27,879 Speaker 1: or Bradley tell me that was or wasn't an unexpected 567 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:30,480 Speaker 1: ad drop. But selfishly, I think that's some of the 568 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:32,520 Speaker 1: best work I've ever done. No one saw it coming, 569 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:35,760 Speaker 1: and someone will claim they did, just like someone will 570 00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:38,439 Speaker 1: win the lottery tonight, But it doesn't mean there was 571 00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:40,840 Speaker 1: any skill behind picking those numbers. And I don't think 572 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:43,200 Speaker 1: there was any skill behind knowing that AD toss was coming. 573 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:45,960 Speaker 1: If you're new to the game, I try and fool 574 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,399 Speaker 1: you as best I can with when the AD toss 575 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:51,000 Speaker 1: is coming, because frankly, sometimes it's hard to make ad 576 00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:52,760 Speaker 1: tosses fun and so this is the way we try 577 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,600 Speaker 1: and do it. Anyway, back to this conversation, Yes, yes, 578 00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:58,800 Speaker 1: I would over recruit the position. So the risk in 579 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:02,600 Speaker 1: gathering a lot of quarter is obvious. It is what 580 00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:05,639 Speaker 1: well it is, well, what if you scare some guys away? 581 00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:08,960 Speaker 1: If what if some guys on your roster transfer because 582 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:10,960 Speaker 1: you went and got another player? So be it is 583 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:15,200 Speaker 1: my answer. So be it. Either way, I won because 584 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:18,399 Speaker 1: if I have a guy on my roster already and 585 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:21,600 Speaker 1: I recruit another one, I'm finding out about him. I'm 586 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:24,359 Speaker 1: finding out how much he believes in himself. I'm finding 587 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:28,000 Speaker 1: out how hardened his competitive edge is. And if it's 588 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:31,640 Speaker 1: not good enough and he transfers out, I found out 589 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:34,360 Speaker 1: I found out that guy did not want any part 590 00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:37,639 Speaker 1: of the fox hole here before he showed me on 591 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:40,040 Speaker 1: the field. Sometimes you find out guys aren't cut out 592 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:42,040 Speaker 1: for it on the field. Well, then it's too late. 593 00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:44,280 Speaker 1: They're costing you games. You want to find that stuff 594 00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:48,800 Speaker 1: out long before it's third down and four in week 595 00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:52,600 Speaker 1: three of the season. And if I bring in a 596 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:55,320 Speaker 1: quarterback that's good enough to scare some of my existing 597 00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:58,640 Speaker 1: quarterbacks away, I probably brought in a pretty good one. 598 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:01,640 Speaker 1: And so the agri it is a lot of times 599 00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:04,200 Speaker 1: when you bring a guy in and it causes roster 600 00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:07,000 Speaker 1: turn I think far more times than not, it means 601 00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:09,960 Speaker 1: you upgraded your roster. Not all the time, but far 602 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,880 Speaker 1: more times than not. Here is a really good question 603 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:15,640 Speaker 1: from Americus, Georgia. How many of you know where that is? 604 00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:19,440 Speaker 1: By the way I do the question from Americus, I'm 605 00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:21,280 Speaker 1: stalling so I can pull it back up because I 606 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:23,600 Speaker 1: kind of dropped the window. I remember it. I don't 607 00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:25,720 Speaker 1: have to look it up exactly. So the question was 608 00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:30,000 Speaker 1: what would have happened if Sabin actually left for Texas? 609 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:33,400 Speaker 1: And some of you know about this story, others don't. 610 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:37,120 Speaker 1: Nick Saban reportedly and now I say reportedly because I've 611 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:39,520 Speaker 1: never gotten him to confirm it with me, but Nick 612 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:43,840 Speaker 1: Saban reportedly considered leaving for Texas in the early to 613 00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:48,400 Speaker 1: mid twenty teens. Can't remember the exact year, but think 614 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,720 Speaker 1: twenty eleven or twelve or thirteen, somewhere around there, Nick 615 00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:54,720 Speaker 1: Saban considered leaving. I believe this is a true story. 616 00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:56,880 Speaker 1: I have enough people I trust that have told me 617 00:29:56,920 --> 00:30:00,240 Speaker 1: that's a true story. So what would happen then? What 618 00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:02,800 Speaker 1: would happen if Nick Saban was the head coach at 619 00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:05,200 Speaker 1: Texas for the last ten years, Well, he wouldn't have 620 00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:08,000 Speaker 1: been fired, So I feel confident in saying he'd still 621 00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:11,160 Speaker 1: be there today. What would Alabama have done? Because they 622 00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:13,080 Speaker 1: would have been the top program in the country at 623 00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:15,400 Speaker 1: that point, and all of a sudden there's a job opening, 624 00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:18,240 Speaker 1: and it's not open because Saban retired. It's because Saban 625 00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:21,600 Speaker 1: went somewhere else and he's not in your conference, so 626 00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:25,680 Speaker 1: you don't necessarily have to play him every year. I think, man, 627 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:29,480 Speaker 1: it's actually a very very complex exercise because the first 628 00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:31,520 Speaker 1: thing I think of is where would Alabama have gone? 629 00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:34,920 Speaker 1: Who would they have gone after? I throw that out 630 00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,400 Speaker 1: to you. Who would Alabama have gone after Let's just 631 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:40,080 Speaker 1: say the year was twenty thirteen. I can't remember exactly. 632 00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:43,600 Speaker 1: Let's say the year was twenty thirteen. Does who does 633 00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:45,640 Speaker 1: Alabama go after as their head coach? But anyway, so 634 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:48,720 Speaker 1: if Saban's at Texas. Here's what I think happens. Texas 635 00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:51,720 Speaker 1: has won multiple national championships by now. I think that 636 00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:57,160 Speaker 1: is undisputably clear or indisputably clear. I'm never certain on 637 00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:00,200 Speaker 1: which word to use. Whi's a tough one, and I 638 00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:02,200 Speaker 1: also don't really care enough to go back and delete 639 00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:03,520 Speaker 1: this and make sure I look it up and say 640 00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:05,960 Speaker 1: it the right way. This is raw immunity. This is 641 00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:09,880 Speaker 1: as is. You get it. As is probably also immunity. 642 00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:12,000 Speaker 1: So if Saban goes to Texas, I think they've got 643 00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:14,520 Speaker 1: multiple titles. Here's what I wonder about, though, the whole 644 00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:17,600 Speaker 1: conversation we're having right now about conference realignment, that would 645 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:19,680 Speaker 1: have come much earlier, I think. I think that would 646 00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:23,000 Speaker 1: have happened because Nick Saban would have run roughshod over 647 00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:25,200 Speaker 1: the Big twelve. I think that would have happened. There 648 00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:28,400 Speaker 1: would have been competition from Oklahoma, and Oklahoma's not going 649 00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:31,640 Speaker 1: anywhere now. In this scenario, Oklahoma doesn't just fall off 650 00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:34,160 Speaker 1: a cliff. I think Oklahoma would have ended up doing 651 00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:37,320 Speaker 1: what Auburn has done to Alabama while Saban's been there. 652 00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:40,280 Speaker 1: They bite him a few times, but Saban has the 653 00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:43,600 Speaker 1: upper hand because he's better than whoever Oklahoma has had, 654 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:45,600 Speaker 1: and he would have recruited better, and he would have 655 00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:47,800 Speaker 1: fortified the lines of scrimmage, and he would have kept 656 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:51,000 Speaker 1: more Texas kids from going to Oklahoma. Blah blah blah. 657 00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:53,800 Speaker 1: But think about it in bigger terms. Think about Alabama 658 00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:57,959 Speaker 1: versus Texas Tech. Think about Alabama versus Kansas. And I'm 659 00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,920 Speaker 1: saying it intentionally that way because Alabama has been that's 660 00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:03,160 Speaker 1: what Texas would be. So think about watching a bunch 661 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:07,200 Speaker 1: of Alabama versus Kansas State, Alabama versus Oklahoma State. I 662 00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:09,320 Speaker 1: think we all know more times than not how that 663 00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:12,840 Speaker 1: season's turning out, and it would have been boring. You 664 00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:14,360 Speaker 1: would have had a bunch of blowouts. It would have 665 00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:17,560 Speaker 1: gotten boring. And Saban wouldn't have liked it either, because 666 00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:19,840 Speaker 1: he still would have looked at the SEC in the 667 00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:23,800 Speaker 1: Big ten and known we fit there. We are the 668 00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:26,160 Speaker 1: biggest brand. Texas would be the biggest brand in the sport. 669 00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:30,640 Speaker 1: With Saban at Texas, they would be dominating individually, but 670 00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:33,480 Speaker 1: collectively the conference wouldn't be. And I think you would 671 00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:36,440 Speaker 1: have come to feel like the conference is holding Texas back, 672 00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:38,840 Speaker 1: and the conference is holding Nick Saban back a little 673 00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:41,560 Speaker 1: bit and I think he would have wanted higher level competition, 674 00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:44,880 Speaker 1: just knowing everything I know about him because he's been 675 00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:47,840 Speaker 1: in the SEC, and even demanding that they play more 676 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:50,080 Speaker 1: conference games in the SEC. So I think he would 677 00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:54,360 Speaker 1: have moved and would have used his power to either 678 00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:58,480 Speaker 1: expand the Big twelve or fortify the Big Twelve in 679 00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:01,280 Speaker 1: some way, or more likely, he would have tried to 680 00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:04,440 Speaker 1: precipitate negotiations to get Texas out of the Big twelve. 681 00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:06,960 Speaker 1: I think that would have happened as it just did. 682 00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:09,320 Speaker 1: I think it would have happened like a decade sooner, 683 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:12,160 Speaker 1: and I think Oklahoma would have tagged right along with him. 684 00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:15,160 Speaker 1: And you got to remember, also, this is right around 685 00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:17,320 Speaker 1: the time. This is not too long after the time 686 00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:20,080 Speaker 1: A and M had just gone to the SEC. So 687 00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:21,640 Speaker 1: A and M went over there. I think their first 688 00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:24,440 Speaker 1: year may have been twenty twelve, and Missouri went over 689 00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:26,760 Speaker 1: there too, so you would have already had the gateway open. 690 00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:29,520 Speaker 1: They would have probably just left the door open and 691 00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:31,880 Speaker 1: in Texas and know you come through it too. Or 692 00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:33,680 Speaker 1: maybe they go to the Big ten, or maybe that 693 00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:35,400 Speaker 1: deal where they went to the Pac twelve and the 694 00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:38,080 Speaker 1: Pack sixteen almost happened. Maybe that's how it goes down. 695 00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:42,560 Speaker 1: And then also you've got just the collateral impact of well, 696 00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:47,320 Speaker 1: if Nick Saban's not at Alabama, is Mark Ricked randomly 697 00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:50,320 Speaker 1: still at Georgia because Georgia felt the heat, as did 698 00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:53,360 Speaker 1: the rest of the league from Alabama. And you know, 699 00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:56,400 Speaker 1: in twenty twelve, Ricked can't get over the hump, just barely. 700 00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:58,800 Speaker 1: They lose to Alabama. A couple years later, he's out, 701 00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:01,080 Speaker 1: well three years later, I think he's out, and he's 702 00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:03,440 Speaker 1: out in a year where Bama comes in there and 703 00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:05,440 Speaker 1: spanks him in Athens. Well, the Saban's not there, maybe 704 00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:09,040 Speaker 1: that doesn't happen. Therefore, Hey, maybe Kirby Smart's the head coach. 705 00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:12,080 Speaker 1: Maybe Kirby Smart goes to Texas with Saban puts in 706 00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:15,280 Speaker 1: a few years, maybe Alabama hires Kirby Smart. Maybe Smart's 707 00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:18,439 Speaker 1: at Alabama, and then he succeeds there and we find 708 00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:20,799 Speaker 1: out Georgia is always where he wanted to be, and 709 00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:23,960 Speaker 1: maybe Smart ends up bringing Alabama to the pinnacle. And 710 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:25,719 Speaker 1: then Georgia looks at Smart and says, we want you 711 00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:27,520 Speaker 1: to do that here. And then there's a bidding war 712 00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:30,160 Speaker 1: for Kirby Smart between two of the premier brands in 713 00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:33,400 Speaker 1: the SEC and in that sense, it's Bama Georgia pretty 714 00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:35,399 Speaker 1: much like it is now, just with different names. Fun 715 00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:39,360 Speaker 1: exercise fruitless because we can't know the end, but fun exercise. 716 00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:41,600 Speaker 1: We got a fun evening in store if you're listening 717 00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:44,200 Speaker 1: on Thursday, Hey, Thursday night, so tonight we got late 718 00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:46,600 Speaker 1: Kick Life, and if you listen on pod, thank you 719 00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:48,520 Speaker 1: for that as well. We've got the number one college 720 00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:51,200 Speaker 1: football podcast in the world as of today. We've got 721 00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:53,880 Speaker 1: the number one college football showing the digital media world 722 00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:56,600 Speaker 1: as of today. So thank you across all fronts. I 723 00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:58,799 Speaker 1: don't really care how you watch or listen, just as 724 00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:01,360 Speaker 1: long as you subscribe, you're more than giving us everything 725 00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:04,200 Speaker 1: we could ask for. So anyway, if you listen on pod, 726 00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:06,160 Speaker 1: it'll be in your feed tomorrow morning. So thank you, 727 00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:08,960 Speaker 1: thank you, thank you. Everything's possible because of you, guys. 728 00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:13,279 Speaker 1: Until next time. For junior producer Bradley, who will be 729 00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:15,480 Speaker 1: cutting this up for me. We got producer Jesse, we 730 00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:18,359 Speaker 1: got director Colin. It's not an army, but it's the 731 00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:20,960 Speaker 1: only fighters I need. I'm Josh Pate. Thanks so much 732 00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:22,680 Speaker 1: for listening. Take care, have a great rest of your day, 733 00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:23,440 Speaker 1: and God bless