Speaker 1: On the Bedel cast, the questions asked if movies have
Speaker 1: women in them, are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands,
Speaker 1: or do they have individualism? The patriarchy? Zef and best
Speaker 1: start changing it with the Bechdel cast. Oh, I was
Speaker 1: gonna try to quote Titanic, but but you couldn't, Like,
Speaker 1: I just couldn't choose. I just couldn't choose which I
Speaker 1: was like, Wait, what's going on? I was gonna say, like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm King of the World. But that's like, honestly, maybe
Speaker 1: the worst quote from the movie whoa. I mean, I
Speaker 1: can't say I agree with that. Okay, that seems sick
Speaker 1: and right. I think the worst quote from the movie
Speaker 1: would be, oh, something that you don't even remember, like
Speaker 1: something you don't Oh, here it is, gotcha? Who oh
Speaker 1: when exactly? Not memorable? Not memorable? No, but I know
Speaker 1: what you're talking about. It's when the guys were looking
Speaker 1: for Jack and Rose in the cargo hold and they
Speaker 1: open the door and they're like they think they're going
Speaker 1: to see them like mid coitus. Yes, oh okay, So,
Speaker 1: first of all, welcome to the vessel cast Um. Yes, hello,
Speaker 1: my name's Jamie Loftus. My name is Caitlin Durante and
Speaker 1: this is our Normally it's our podcast where we give
Speaker 1: in intersectional feminist analysis of your favorite movies. This week,
Speaker 1: we are, for the second week in the row, once
Speaker 1: again covering Titanic for I believe the seventh time. So
Speaker 1: it is the most wonderful time of the year. And
Speaker 1: as we briefed you on in last week's episode, we
Speaker 1: are doing a two parter for this is a way
Speaker 1: to both say that first the episode was unexpectedly so
Speaker 1: long because we will never run out of things to
Speaker 1: say about this, and to to just sort of pay
Speaker 1: a homage to the two VHS Titanic collection. So this
Speaker 1: is VHS two, Yes, but I feel like we should update.
Speaker 1: Do we have Titanic news since last semis we record
Speaker 1: yea an episode. I had my wedding so to speak,
Speaker 1: which is I invited all my friends to an AMC
Speaker 1: in Burbank, California to watch Titanics like any good wedding, Zach,
Speaker 1: thank you, and a lot of people came and we
Speaker 1: had the best time. There was cheering, it was beautiful.
Speaker 1: A friend of the cast, Sara June, booed the iceberg
Speaker 1: when it came on screen and we all loved it.
Speaker 1: It was an extremely titanic screening that it was, is
Speaker 1: how I felt about it. And yes, Caitlin, thank you
Speaker 1: for coordinating it. I will say of Titanic three D,
Speaker 1: it doesn't need to be three D there, thank you.
Speaker 1: There wasn't a lot of three D. I wanted to
Speaker 1: see every pore on Bruce's May's face. Wow, I just didn't. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know, well that's a me thing. Sure, that's because
Speaker 1: I'm a little perfect. I don't love three D movies.
Speaker 1: In fact, I avoid them, and I was worried that
Speaker 1: it was going to be like headache inducing. But the
Speaker 1: three D was like kind of underwhelming, which I actually
Speaker 1: liked because I was like, oh, I'm not being given
Speaker 1: a headache. I would but but you wouldn't have liked
Speaker 1: it if you had paid a premium and didn't have
Speaker 1: an AMC Stubbs pass. Sure that's what I was thinking
Speaker 1: of the non stubs heads. If I were a non
Speaker 1: stubs head, which of course I'm not, I would be
Speaker 1: fucking pissed if I paid twenty six dollars to not
Speaker 1: even be hit in the face with an iceberg, which
Speaker 1: I think is like low key kind of morbid and disrespectable.
Speaker 1: But anyways, we want we didn't do that, yes, And
Speaker 1: speaking of stubs, I mean we would be remiss not
Speaker 1: to acknowledge that we come to this place for magic,
Speaker 1: we come to this place to laugh, to cry, to care, etc.
Speaker 1: And also AMC can eat shit recently, But I mean,
Speaker 1: obviously we're not based on what I just said, We're
Speaker 1: obviously not sponsored by them. They can eat it. Did
Speaker 1: you see how they are trying to introduce a t
Speaker 1: heard yes movie seed program that is the most elitest
Speaker 1: garbage peepie poopoo thing I've ever seen in my life.
Speaker 1: Like movies are supposed to be in equal space for
Speaker 1: the pay, you know, twelve dollars times for three these days,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm a step hit, so I don't know.
Speaker 1: And then you know, I just think that's so fucking ridiculous, infuriated,
Speaker 1: kisses me off. We're not sponsored by them, so we're
Speaker 1: saying that, Yeah, anyone who doesn't sponsor us, we have
Speaker 1: to find an active insult forth. Anyways, it rocked, We laughed,
Speaker 1: we cried, we cared, Sara boot in the iceberg. It
Speaker 1: was it was really special. It was wonderful. I had
Speaker 1: the best time. Thank you for coming with me, Jamie, Oh,
Speaker 1: I mean, and thanks to all who attended indeed Titanic.
Speaker 1: And that resulted in a little bit of James Cameron
Speaker 1: history where Titanic has now eclipsed Avatar. Avatar two overtook
Speaker 1: Titanic as a higher grossing movie, but then when Titanic rereleased,
Speaker 1: Titanic is back up on top overtook Avatar two. Okay, now,
Speaker 1: who knows what will happen. I just James Cameron's kind
Speaker 1: of like the Joey Chestnut of movie grosses, like he's
Speaker 1: really mostly in competition with himself, and you're just like, well, yes,
Speaker 1: good for that white guy. In any case, shall we
Speaker 1: get to the episode? Yes, So, without much further ado,
Speaker 1: here is VHS tape number two, And by that we
Speaker 1: mean the rest of the episode that we didn't have
Speaker 1: time to include last week. So it's a recap of
Speaker 1: the movie plus Jamie's fun facts corner. So the recap
Speaker 1: of Titanic that I never have done before. I will
Speaker 1: include a content slash trigger warning for suicide at the
Speaker 1: top of this recap and sinking boat and for a
Speaker 1: sinking boat, yes right, and then I'm gonna pipe in.
Speaker 1: It's kind of hard because I have two long lists
Speaker 1: of notes for the two different three hour commentary tracks.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do my best, but I'll try to interject
Speaker 1: with useful information and not just having a meltdown. And
Speaker 1: anything that you don't get to during the recap we
Speaker 1: can touch on afterward. We can zip through. Yeah, oh yeah, Okay,
Speaker 1: here we go. The movie begins in present day with
Speaker 1: Brock love It, played by Bill Paxton, who Jim Cameron
Speaker 1: admits is his self insert character. I mean, he says,
Speaker 1: that makes he's like Brock on the phone with his financiers,
Speaker 1: more like me on the phone with paramount. He he
Speaker 1: ha ha. He also says that he edited the intro sequence,
Speaker 1: like with the title and like the waves and stuff.
Speaker 1: He edited that himself. Wow, in the space of twenty
Speaker 1: hours and one bottle of tequila. Whoa, I know he
Speaker 1: drunk edited the opening sequence Love that, Okay, love that
Speaker 1: So Brock love It is in speaking of love It.
Speaker 1: Brock love It is in a submarine searching the wreckage
Speaker 1: of the Titanic because he is trying to find a
Speaker 1: diamond necklace called the Heart of the ocean. He believes
Speaker 1: it went down with the ship when it sunk in
Speaker 1: nineteen twelve. Yes, he finds this safe, he brings it
Speaker 1: to the surface, he opens it, but oops, the diamond
Speaker 1: is not in the safe. I learned a little bit
Speaker 1: about how they shot the underwater sequences, and that was
Speaker 1: really interesting because it was kind of like whatever, a
Speaker 1: combination of crew members sort of telling you exactly what
Speaker 1: shots were actually from the wreckage of Titanic and which
Speaker 1: ones were reproductions that they did match shots for in
Speaker 1: eskindido fun facts that I learned included and I think
Speaker 1: I sort of knew that, but I don't know this,
Speaker 1: but I don't know if like we've ever talked about
Speaker 1: on the show. So like all of those, like the
Speaker 1: underwater cameras, like they're called ROVs, they had to develop
Speaker 1: a version of existing technology that could be used for
Speaker 1: the movies because there's so few of that equipment available
Speaker 1: that they wouldn't lend it to James Cameron for his
Speaker 1: little movie. It reminded me of how like Initia, like
Speaker 1: famous figure skaters wouldn't be stunt people because they're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's not worth it. Sorry, movie it's well because It's
Speaker 1: like if you're doing a triple axle in figure skating
Speaker 1: and then you fuck your ankle up, then your career
Speaker 1: is over and all you did was a stunt on itonia,
Speaker 1: you know. I think that that's how they're like, these
Speaker 1: cameras are so valuable that like, if you break it
Speaker 1: making a movie, we will kill you. Like so they
Speaker 1: had to like develop technology for the movie specifically, and
Speaker 1: then also that piano that they see. James Cameron sometimes
Speaker 1: he claims to have done things where I'm just like,
Speaker 1: I don't believe you. But anyways, he that piano, He's like,
Speaker 1: I made that myself. I took a drill to it
Speaker 1: and it took all night and I was like, what
Speaker 1: are you talking about? But he started in the art
Speaker 1: department and he claims to just really have like raw
Speaker 1: dog that piano and made it look old and threw
Speaker 1: an underwater Wow. Okay, all right, who knows? Well, so
Speaker 1: Brock has opened the safe. The diamond is not there,
Speaker 1: But what is there is a nude drawing of a
Speaker 1: woman who is wearing the diamond necklace in the drawing,
Speaker 1: So we know that James Cameron drew that. What I'd
Speaker 1: never heard before this was that he drew it semi
Speaker 1: from life, like it wasn't just like and not from
Speaker 1: the scene in the movie. The drawing was like done
Speaker 1: or like storyboarded before Kate Winslet, ever, you know, posed
Speaker 1: for it in the movie. Sure, but yeah, he said that,
Speaker 1: like he had Kate Winslett pose for him and a
Speaker 1: few artists from a few different angles. But she was
Speaker 1: wearing she was not nude. She was wearing a bikini.
Speaker 1: And then he sounded really creepy, dad, and he was like,
Speaker 1: I had to use my imagination to draw her nude.
Speaker 1: We didn't know each other well enough for her to
Speaker 1: pose nude for me, which I'm like, yeah, true, but
Speaker 1: why did you say that? You know? But there's a
Speaker 1: lot of like bizarre I don't know, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of like nineties because the two commentary tracks I listened
Speaker 1: to were recorded for the ten b anniversary DVD, so
Speaker 1: it was recorded sometime in like two thousand and six
Speaker 1: for the two thousand and seven release. But there's all
Speaker 1: sorts of like bizarre nineties sounding like there's a story
Speaker 1: about how like when Kate Winslet like she didn't want
Speaker 1: Leonardo DiCaprio to see her naked for the first time,
Speaker 1: like on the set for that scene. So she, according
Speaker 1: to her, like left her makeup trailer door unlocked and
Speaker 1: like called him in while she was getting full body
Speaker 1: makeup for that scene and like didn't tell him she
Speaker 1: was going to be naked, and like jump scared him
Speaker 1: and then he was like whoa and she's like, ha
Speaker 1: ha ha, It's it's more comfortable this way. We're just
Speaker 1: co workers. And then Leonardo DiCaprio was like cool, and
Speaker 1: I guess everyone was fine with it, but I was like,
Speaker 1: this is a weird you guys are most stories about
Speaker 1: Kate Winslett and Leonardo DiCaprio are weird. Like she just
Speaker 1: says it like it's a I mean, whenever they had
Speaker 1: a jokey relationships. They're obviously still friends, but she was like,
Speaker 1: ha ha ha. This is where Leo would fart in
Speaker 1: his jacket and stick into my face. I was like, yucky,
Speaker 1: but she's like, we'd love to have a laugh. I'm like, wow,
Speaker 1: you know they really found each other because I would
Speaker 1: hate that. What a bunch of goofs. I guess. Okay,
Speaker 1: So this exploring of the wreckage of Titanic, this whole
Speaker 1: thing is like being televised. Yes, And an old woman
Speaker 1: sees the drawing that brock loove It has uncovered from
Speaker 1: the safe. She sees it on TV and she says, well,
Speaker 1: I'll be goddamned. She then we're trying. Yeah. She then
Speaker 1: calls brock loove It and says the woman in the
Speaker 1: picture is me, and yeah, I know all about the
Speaker 1: diamond you're looking for. Okay, I definitely didn't know this.
Speaker 1: Let me know if you do this. So, when James
Speaker 1: Cameron was writing this iconically okay script, he was looking for,
Speaker 1: like to build out Old Rose. He was looking for
Speaker 1: like a oh god, I never say this word right,
Speaker 1: like sent centenarian, someone who was around a hundred who
Speaker 1: he like wanted to find a really interesting older woman
Speaker 1: who had lived a wild life to sort of like
Speaker 1: build Old Rose around or do just like have in mind.
Speaker 1: And Bill Paxton's his wife Louise Paxton, suggested this artist
Speaker 1: she knew of who lived in oh High, who was
Speaker 1: like in her night. I think she was like one
Speaker 1: hundred and one when the movie came out, and she
Speaker 1: was like, oh, you should check out this artist, Beatrice Wood.
Speaker 1: She sounds exactly like the kind of person you're looking for.
Speaker 1: And she gave James Cameron a copy of Beatrice Wood's autobiography,
Speaker 1: which is called I Shocked Myself, and James Cameron met
Speaker 1: with her before writing a character of Old Rose. Gotta
Speaker 1: feel for who she was. A lot of the like
Speaker 1: lines that Old Rose has were based on her cadence
Speaker 1: and jokeyness. The fact that Rose does pottery is based
Speaker 1: on Beatrice Wood because that was what Beatrice Wood was
Speaker 1: most famous for in her later career, And Gloria Stewart
Speaker 1: met with her too, Like she's just like this fascinating
Speaker 1: person and if you're into art history at all, listeners
Speaker 1: she was like she was like a really important artist
Speaker 1: who had never heard of but she like was with
Speaker 1: like Marcel Duchamp, like championing his work at like the
Speaker 1: very very beginning of his work. Like she's considered like
Speaker 1: the mother of data art, but is obviously not brought
Speaker 1: up half as much as Duchamp was. But she was
Speaker 1: a huge advocate and like she worked alongside him. She
Speaker 1: did a lot of drawings and then later did like
Speaker 1: sculpture and then even later in her career to pottery.
Speaker 1: She was like the subject of this famous data art
Speaker 1: love triangle with Duchamp and this other artist I don't know.
Speaker 1: She was really really fascinating and I was excited to
Speaker 1: even get to Like, I ordered a copy of her
Speaker 1: autobiography because she just sounds really free king cool, and
Speaker 1: I love that Louise Paxton was the one that was
Speaker 1: just like, hey, check this out. And then I think
Speaker 1: most iconically, after Titanic came out, Beatrice Wood awarded the
Speaker 1: fifth Annual Beatrice Wood Film Award to James Cameron Reciprocity.
Speaker 1: But yeah, so okay, last and so, like, Gloria Stewart
Speaker 1: and James Cameron went to Beatrice Wood's one hundred and
Speaker 1: first birthday luncheon when they were getting to know her,
Speaker 1: and I guess that she turned down dessert at the table,
Speaker 1: and everyone's like, why didn't you want dessert, Beatrice? And
Speaker 1: she said, I only like chocolate and young men. So wow,
Speaker 1: I know, shout out Beatrice Wood. I just had like
Speaker 1: a really fun side quest learning about her. She's really cool.
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, yeah, I didn't know. Okay, So brock Lovett
Speaker 1: invites this woman who had called him Rose Calvert, played
Speaker 1: by Gloria Stewart, and he invites her aboard the kel Dish,
Speaker 1: which is the ship they are operating this search of
Speaker 1: the Titanic wreckage from a real ship, so that Rose
Speaker 1: can tell him what she knows about the diamond. And
Speaker 1: she starts to tell her story. She iconically says, it's
Speaker 1: been eighty four years and I can still smell the
Speaker 1: fresh paint. That China had never been used, she had
Speaker 1: never been slept in. Titanic was called the ship of
Speaker 1: dream of and was it really he was? Also another
Speaker 1: fun meeting was Gloria Stewart requested to meet with Kate
Speaker 1: Winslet when they first got cast as Rose, so that
Speaker 1: Gloria Stewart would know how to like whatever, like the
Speaker 1: way that you would, but liked to fix her mannerisms.
Speaker 1: And there's like video footage of that meeting, and it's
Speaker 1: really really sweet, and it's Glorious Stewart showing they're both
Speaker 1: like drinking champagne and their little tipsy, and Glorious Stewart
Speaker 1: is showing because she was like an old Hollywood star,
Speaker 1: She's showing Kate Winslet these pictures of her when she
Speaker 1: was like She's like, I was having sex without every
Speaker 1: Marx brother and none of that is my real hair,
Speaker 1: and Kate Winslet's like, I want to be just like
Speaker 1: you someday is very sweet. Oh that's awesome, you know.
Speaker 1: So as old Rose starts to tell her story, we
Speaker 1: flash back to nineteen twelve. Titanic is about to embark
Speaker 1: on its maiden voyage. People are boarding the ship, including
Speaker 1: Rose played by Kate Winslet, her fiance Cal fiance Cal
Speaker 1: Hockley played by Billy Zane, her mother Ruth. That's Francis Fisher,
Speaker 1: and they are all fabulously wealthy with first class tickets.
Speaker 1: M We cut to Jack Dawson played by Leonardo DiCaprio.
Speaker 1: Of course, he's playing poker with his best friend for Brizzio.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, that's Danny Nucci. I have a fund,
Speaker 1: I have two fun Danny Nucci facts hit me. Danny
Speaker 1: Nucci is also in the commentary track, and he's just
Speaker 1: a kick. Things about Danny Nucci include he was able
Speaker 1: to so Danny Nucci lived in Italy for the first
Speaker 1: seven years of his life but did not speak Italian.
Speaker 1: I personally, I think what I've learned in the last
Speaker 1: couple of years is that, like sometimes when Italian accents
Speaker 1: sound fake, they're actually not. Case in point, Lady Gaga
Speaker 1: and House of Gucci. Her accent sounds extremely fake, but
Speaker 1: then if you listen to the person that she's playing,
Speaker 1: it's sometimes they just sound weird. I don't know, but
Speaker 1: like apparently Danny Nucci like fudged a little bit and
Speaker 1: like Little White Lie was like, yeah, I'm Italian, but
Speaker 1: like spoke in an accent at his addition, and was
Speaker 1: able to fool James Cameron and the producers, and then
Speaker 1: when he got the part, he was like, I'm not
Speaker 1: actually Italian, and they're like, well, can you speak Italian?
Speaker 1: And then he had to like take classes really abruptly
Speaker 1: so he could do the because he occasionally speaks at
Speaker 1: Italian in the movie. Also another evil James Cameron anecdote,
Speaker 1: Danny Nucci had his first kid while Titanic was in
Speaker 1: production and he was given one and a half days
Speaker 1: off yikes, And finally iconic Danny Knucci said, there's good
Speaker 1: anecdotes about the two bands that appear in this movie.
Speaker 1: The Irish band below decks and then the band that
Speaker 1: plays to the end on the top deck, and they're
Speaker 1: like a Swiss band, but apparently like Danny Nucci and
Speaker 1: the Irish Band got along famously, and Danny Knucci would
Speaker 1: bring out his guitar and they would play Oasis together
Speaker 1: like between takes. Okay, it's great love it yeah, oh okay.
Speaker 1: So Jack and Fabrizio are playing poker against these two
Speaker 1: Swedish guys who have bet their third class tickets too Titanic,
Speaker 1: and Jack wins the hand of poker because he's got
Speaker 1: a full house boys whoa, and so he wins the tickets.
Speaker 1: But Titanic is leaving in five minutes, so Jack and
Speaker 1: Fabrizio make a mad dash and board the Titanic. We
Speaker 1: are also seeing the extravagance of Rose and Cal in
Speaker 1: first class juxtaposed against the bare bones conditions of third class,
Speaker 1: where Jack and Fabrizio are. Yeah, there's a fun little
Speaker 1: acta about like just I don't know, like little things
Speaker 1: that I was like, oh, I wouldn't think about who
Speaker 1: would be doing that, But like James Cameron, because he's
Speaker 1: just like kind of a weird guy, was really like
Speaker 1: there's a scene where it's like Rose has her picassos
Speaker 1: and her day gauze and all this stuff, and like
Speaker 1: James Cameron like spent a bizarre amount of time looking
Speaker 1: for someone to do that, and like ended up finding
Speaker 1: this obscure artist that lived in the middle of Canada
Speaker 1: and like hired her to do It's like all the
Speaker 1: same artists who did all of those paintings. Interesting. Also,
Speaker 1: the dog Old Rose has the dog of the little Pomeranian, Yeah,
Speaker 1: which I guess is a nod to there were three
Speaker 1: dogs that survived the Titanic and the two of them
Speaker 1: were Pomeranians and one was a Pekinese. And no one
Speaker 1: ever talks about the Titanic dogs. It might be the
Speaker 1: only angle from which that story has not been exploited. Wow,
Speaker 1: Titanic puppies. I guess I've got a screenplay of write
Speaker 1: who would be the Titanic puppies. It would be like
Speaker 1: Anna Taylor, Joy, Kevin Hard, and Dave Batista are the
Speaker 1: Titanic puppies. Wow, food for thought. Okay, I'm not mad
Speaker 1: about it, yep. Oh okay. So we see first class passengers,
Speaker 1: third class passengers. We also see no second class passengers.
Speaker 1: Really not a lot of interests class wow, second class eraser,
Speaker 1: middle class eraser much Hello? Well heyy you're telling me
Speaker 1: folks um. We also see the people in the boiler
Speaker 1: rooms who are like shoveling coal to power the ship.
Speaker 1: We're seeing wild fact about the boiler room. Due to
Speaker 1: something something the budget, they couldn't afford to build the
Speaker 1: boiler room to the full size they wanted to. So
Speaker 1: there's like a lot of things done in the boiler
Speaker 1: room set to make the boilers appear like there's more
Speaker 1: of They use like a mirror effect to make it
Speaker 1: seem like they're twice as many as there actually were.
Speaker 1: But also they couldn't afford to build the boilers as
Speaker 1: big as they should have been, so instead they hired
Speaker 1: shorter actors to play the boiler room guys. So they
Speaker 1: were like, I don't know if this was hyperbole or not,
Speaker 1: but like John Landau was like, yeah, we we just
Speaker 1: had to make the boilers like we were positioning the
Speaker 1: camera as if the actors were like six foot four.
Speaker 1: But I don't think we hired an actor who was
Speaker 1: like above five foot three. We just hired a lot
Speaker 1: of like shorter actors so that the boilers would look bigger.
Speaker 1: That's some like forced perspective, hobbit, Lord of the Ring stuff.
Speaker 1: It's pretty brilliant, but that's boiler room facts with Jamie
Speaker 1: Beautiful love it. So yeah, we're seeing just like the
Speaker 1: scale and the glory that is Titanic. Shortly after this
Speaker 1: is when we see the scene where Jack is like
Speaker 1: looking at dolphins and then he goes, I'm king of
Speaker 1: the world. Woooo And on that note, let's take a
Speaker 1: quick break and then we will come right back. And
Speaker 1: we are back, okay. So then we meet the unsinkable
Speaker 1: Molly Brown played by Kathy Bates. We meet mister Andrews.
Speaker 1: That's Victor Garber, who almost didn't get the part because
Speaker 1: the casting director sent was like, Jim, you gotta check
Speaker 1: out this guy. He looks like Thomas Andrews and he's
Speaker 1: very talented, and then she sent him the wrong video.
Speaker 1: She sent him like a video of some guy in
Speaker 1: a bow tie that looked nothing like Thomas Andrews, and
Speaker 1: James Camramon was like, um, I'm not seeing it, and
Speaker 1: she was like, oh, no, wrong video. And then he
Speaker 1: got the part. Oh, and we're so glad. Mister Andrews,
Speaker 1: of course, is the like engineer who designed the ship.
Speaker 1: We also meet Bruce Ismay played by Jonathan Hyde. He
Speaker 1: was the chairman and managing director of the White Star Line,
Speaker 1: who the two historical characters that both the producers and
Speaker 1: James Cameron seemed to have like repeatedly acknowledged that they
Speaker 1: felt like the only historical figures that they felt that
Speaker 1: they potentially did a disservice too were Bruce Asmey, who
Speaker 1: I think was like a bad guy but not as
Speaker 1: bad as the movie makes him out to be. And
Speaker 1: James Cameron sort of was like, yeah, I took a
Speaker 1: lot of dramatic license there. Like he did get into
Speaker 1: a boat. It was rumored that he had put some
Speaker 1: pressure to make the boat go faster, but also he
Speaker 1: stayed on the boat until the very last minute and
Speaker 1: rescued a lot of people, and like there were like
Speaker 1: there's a lot of gray area. I guess, so, which
Speaker 1: I don't really care about. The Officer Murdoch conversations a
Speaker 1: little more interesting because Officer Murdoch is for I mean,
Speaker 1: I guess for the it's hard to keep all the
Speaker 1: officers straight. He's the one that kills Tommy and then
Speaker 1: takes his own life in the movie. Is also a
Speaker 1: lot of creative license. And his family reached out to
Speaker 1: James Cameron and was like, what the fuck and James
Speaker 1: Cameron was like, um, yeah, like it technically could have happened,
Speaker 1: because apparently, historically usually when something's like creative license, James
Speaker 1: Cameron has done the work to make it like, well,
Speaker 1: you can't say it didn't happen. Like even the room
Speaker 1: that Rose stays in in the movie was technically empty,
Speaker 1: so it's like, well, that's where I'm going to put
Speaker 1: them because you can't prove someone else was there. But
Speaker 1: in that case, it was like there were rumors of
Speaker 1: like several gunshots that went off in an area where
Speaker 1: Officer Murdoch was but obviously Tommy Ryan as a fictional character,
Speaker 1: so he was not killed by Officer Murdock. He didn't exist,
Speaker 1: but there is like no I think that there was
Speaker 1: like one speculation that Murdoch may have taken his own life,
Speaker 1: but there's like basically no historical precedent for it. So
Speaker 1: his family was rather upset that that was the narrative
Speaker 1: imposed on him. Yeah, and taking bribes as well, There
Speaker 1: was no evidence that he took bribes. Sure, he kind
Speaker 1: of he kind of got fucked a little thought sucks,
Speaker 1: but yeah, Hollywood loves embellishing facts. Yeah, I mean, it
Speaker 1: is a dramatic effect. But as far as like, as
Speaker 1: far as historical movies getting things right, this movie gets
Speaker 1: more right than it does. So there you got and
Speaker 1: we love that. Yeah. Speaking of Tommy, we meet Tommy.
Speaker 1: He befriends Jack and Fabricio. He's played by Jason Barry.
Speaker 1: I never bothered to look up who played Tommy before this,
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, that's a good named Jason Barry.
Speaker 1: He was on the commentary track and he just said
Speaker 1: like he's actually Irish. Wow, authenticity. Yeah, unlike Danny Nucci
Speaker 1: over here, who's like um bon Jorg Showork like um okay.
Speaker 1: So we meet a few of these characters. We're hanging
Speaker 1: out with Jack and Fabrizio on deck, and this is
Speaker 1: when Jack sees Rose across the deck of the ship
Speaker 1: and he's like hubba hubba schwing o wouga speaking of
Speaker 1: a wooga. Oh my god. That's a James Cameron story
Speaker 1: that has nothing I thought. I thought. I thought Caitlin
Speaker 1: had nothing to do with Titanic. I thought that there
Speaker 1: is listeners there is. I think I probably referenced it
Speaker 1: in our Avatar episode as well. James Cameron, whenever he
Speaker 1: goes on a press tour, he says a bunch of
Speaker 1: stuff that's awful, and then a bunch of stuff that
Speaker 1: is incoherent. One of the things he said on this
Speaker 1: press tour that was incoherent, wasn't that At times when
Speaker 1: he's on set the set for Avatar, he will not
Speaker 1: respond to anyone unless they first use a deafening a
Speaker 1: wooga sound. And that's how he knows that it's important
Speaker 1: enough that it requires his precious baby boy attention. So
Speaker 1: when I was watching behind the scene featurettes of this movie,
Speaker 1: I can't prove that the Aluga thing has been true
Speaker 1: for a long time. But in the big the ship
Speaker 1: is sunk, everyone's flailing around. That was filmed I think
Speaker 1: in like a I think it was Burbank, like it
Speaker 1: was somewhere close by, Like it was just a large
Speaker 1: tank in Burbank with like four feet of water. And
Speaker 1: that's where the I'll Never Let Go scene was filled.
Speaker 1: In all that, there is a moment in the featurette
Speaker 1: it's not called attention to, but knowing what we know
Speaker 1: now about James Cameron and Ouga, James Cameron is not
Speaker 1: talking to anybody. Allowed auga sounds scent like is sounded
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, he goes, what, I
Speaker 1: think the AUGA system has been in place for decades? Wow, Look,
Speaker 1: is there any or any of James Cameron's long time
Speaker 1: employees listening to this show? Can we get some confirm
Speaker 1: on the AUG I was shocked. I was knocked on
Speaker 1: my ass by this. That's fascinating. I'm not surprised though,
Speaker 1: it's it sounds like he's been an absolute tyrant for
Speaker 1: a very long time. But but the AUGA system specifically,
Speaker 1: I'm like, that is some evil genius shit, Like, what
Speaker 1: on earth? I think we can date Auga back to
Speaker 1: ninety six. I support it. Yeah. So Jack is seeing
Speaker 1: Rose and he's like, hubba, hubba, who's that? And his
Speaker 1: friends are like, yeah, right, dude, she's rich and you're poor.
Speaker 1: It'll never work out. You'll have angels flying out of
Speaker 1: your ars, etc. Before you get next to the likes
Speaker 1: of her, says Tommy. Um, classic Tommy. There's also there
Speaker 1: was like a fight with James Cameron and the costume
Speaker 1: designer for that scene where I guess Rose like woman
Speaker 1: would wear hat if outside that is like a thing
Speaker 1: of the time, and so they were kind of getting
Speaker 1: into it because James Caramon's like, I don't want a
Speaker 1: floppy old hat on Kate Winslet's head, Like it would
Speaker 1: look goofy if she was wearing a big floppy hat
Speaker 1: when Jack sees her, but he said, well, she's already
Speaker 1: rebelled against everything else. And then he took the hat
Speaker 1: off Kate Winslet's head and threw it into the ocean
Speaker 1: because he's a drama queen. And the costume designer, I think,
Speaker 1: was like, okay, that was and then they shot the scene.
Speaker 1: I know he's a he's a piece of work. I
Speaker 1: don't know what to make of the man. He's really
Speaker 1: a piece of work. Into the ocean, like so not necessary,
Speaker 1: very dramatic. Yeah, okay. So Jack has spotted Rose, but
Speaker 1: they don't meet until that night when Rose attempts suicide
Speaker 1: by jumping off the ship. Yeah. She feels trapped by
Speaker 1: her position in life. She feels trapped in this relationship
Speaker 1: with cal who is controlling and abusive, so she makes
Speaker 1: this attempt but Jack sees her, realizes what's happening, and
Speaker 1: he stops her. He saves her. Here's what James Cameron
Speaker 1: had to say about this. It made me laugh. When
Speaker 1: you think about it, it's sort of a risky proposition
Speaker 1: for two people to meet in the middle of an
Speaker 1: attempted suicide. But that's long pause, that's what happens here.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's no arguing that. Sometimes he talks about
Speaker 1: his own movies as if he has no control over
Speaker 1: what happens in them, and a way that makes me life.
Speaker 1: He's like, I don't know, I guess that's just how
Speaker 1: it went. His argument for a long time before he
Speaker 1: commissioned this scientific study to figure out if two people
Speaker 1: could have actually fit on the door and survived. His
Speaker 1: argument before that was Jack dies in the script, so
Speaker 1: he to Dot, She's like, yeah, you wrote that in
Speaker 1: the script. You literally have control over this, But like,
Speaker 1: I guess, whatever you want. There was also kind of
Speaker 1: a because I think at the time this movie came out,
Speaker 1: It's it's kind of interesting how like Kate Winslet and
Speaker 1: James Cameron's relationship seems to have changed over time, because
Speaker 1: at the time the movie came out, I kind of forgot,
Speaker 1: like it was like heavily rumored that, like Kate Winslett
Speaker 1: hated him, never wanted to work with him again because
Speaker 1: she got hypothermia on set, Like who would want to
Speaker 1: work with him again after that, but then time passed
Speaker 1: and now she's an avatar too, like they made she
Speaker 1: got into a tank for the man again. So it
Speaker 1: seems like the relationship repaired over time. But it's interesting
Speaker 1: to hear, like there are a couple of anecdotes that
Speaker 1: Kate Winslett shares on this commentary track where you're like
Speaker 1: she was not having a good time with the scene
Speaker 1: where she is attempting suicide. She's talking about how how
Speaker 1: they had to shoot it so many times because that
Speaker 1: was a green screen in a way that you can
Speaker 1: tell too, but like whatever was nineteen ninety seven, but
Speaker 1: they had to shoot it over and over and over
Speaker 1: to the point where she couldn't get herself to cry
Speaker 1: as much, Like she just was like spent and couldn't
Speaker 1: get herself to cry. And so someone on the production
Speaker 1: I have a guess as to who was like just
Speaker 1: blow air in her face until she starts crying, and
Speaker 1: so they like blew a fan in her face until
Speaker 1: her eyes watered and then they're like all right, start again,
Speaker 1: and you're like, Jesus Christ is poor and she's like
Speaker 1: twenty years old. You know, it's like they're no one
Speaker 1: talks back in those situations, and I just was like,
Speaker 1: bless her, that's not my Mara veast Town. Tell you what,
Speaker 1: I love that lady. She seems so great. Yeah. The
Speaker 1: abuse that actors and performers have to endure not cool. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: So Jack saves Rose saying if you jump, I'm going
Speaker 1: to have to jump in there after you because that's absurd.
Speaker 1: Then Cal and some of the crew show up to
Speaker 1: the scene and they're like, what's going on? And Rose
Speaker 1: is like, oh, I was just leaning over and I
Speaker 1: slipped and Jack saved me. I was leaning far over
Speaker 1: for the propellers, they had a hard time finding Cal.
Speaker 1: And then you know what they did? What they saw
Speaker 1: The Phantom Is that a movie that Billy Zane. It
Speaker 1: is a movie that Billy Zane was in which he
Speaker 1: plays a super He plays a superhero called the Phantom.
Speaker 1: And then I've never seen it either. I just think
Speaker 1: it is a very if you look at like the
Speaker 1: visuals and like the trailer for that movie, it's very
Speaker 1: weird to be like I would see that movie and
Speaker 1: be like, yep, he should be in Titanic because it's
Speaker 1: like just a super campy superhero movie. Where he's like,
Speaker 1: I am the Phantom, like it's very it's so Billy
Speaker 1: Zane is so iconic, like I'll never get over it.
Speaker 1: He was, Oh, wait, I need to tell you the
Speaker 1: Billy Zane arts and crafts story. He was just really
Speaker 1: like people seemed to everyone who talked about Billy Zane
Speaker 1: seemed to be like, and he is just what a character.
Speaker 1: They're like, Leo and Billy just had us roll. In
Speaker 1: twenty five eight, John Lando said Billy isn't artiste, and
Speaker 1: then Billy Zane says that he turned so like the
Speaker 1: whole as you know, Caitlin and maybe some of our
Speaker 1: listeners know, the way that the Titanic set was built
Speaker 1: was that they built half of it in Mexico and
Speaker 1: then a lot of it is like reverse shots. But
Speaker 1: so they had to like move the entire cast and
Speaker 1: crew to Mexico for months. So Billy Zane turned his
Speaker 1: apartment in Mexico into it sounds sort of like he's
Speaker 1: slowly losing his grasp on reality. But you let me know,
Speaker 1: he sort of seems to feel that way too. He's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, just these long days are in a place
Speaker 1: you don't know anybody, and I I just sort of like,
Speaker 1: I like to express myself, and I turned my apartment
Speaker 1: into an art studio and I started mates. I started
Speaker 1: quote doing a lot of abstract expressionism, okay, And he says, like,
Speaker 1: I was going very polic at the time. It was rough,
Speaker 1: you know, it got a little weird out there, but
Speaker 1: arts and crafts pulled me through, which I think is
Speaker 1: a beautiful outlook on life. And a lot of people
Speaker 1: Billy's I think we sent them to each other at
Speaker 1: the time. But Billy Zane took all these amazing candids
Speaker 1: on the set of Titanic because he was an artiste,
Speaker 1: and he like will occasionally post them to Instagram, and
Speaker 1: they're all the best. Oh, Billy King, King of the
Speaker 1: world even Okay, So they're like, wow, Jack, you've saved Rose.
Speaker 1: You're a hero, and you should come have dinner with
Speaker 1: us tomorrow night. And he's like okay. And then later
Speaker 1: that evening, when Cal and Rose are back in their rooms,
Speaker 1: Cow gives Rose the heart of the Ocean and he's like,
Speaker 1: I know you've been melancholy, and I don't pretend to
Speaker 1: understand why, but here's a very expensive diamond necklace. And
Speaker 1: she's like oh. The next day, Rose pays Jack a
Speaker 1: visit to thank him for saving her and for his discretion,
Speaker 1: and he's like, do you even love cow? And she's like, ah,
Speaker 1: you're being very rude, and then they argue a bit,
Speaker 1: but then she sees his drawings because Jack is an
Speaker 1: artiste and they are drawings of naked sex workers in Paris.
Speaker 1: He was not getting into abstract expressionist. He was pretty straightforward. Oh,
Speaker 1: Tho'd be so funny if they if you cut to
Speaker 1: like Billy's AND's abstract expressionist paintings, like in his binder
Speaker 1: you mean in Jack's binders. Yeah, He's like, Um, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I guess I just sort of don't know
Speaker 1: anyone here and I'm just trying stuff out. That deck scene,
Speaker 1: I guess that. I mean, I've seen I'm sure we've
Speaker 1: both seen audition tastes like that was like the audition
Speaker 1: scene for Titanic for one of them, But the way
Speaker 1: that the scene is was rewritten the night before, and
Speaker 1: there were all of these cool like for every peepee
Speaker 1: poopoo naked story that Kate Winslett and Leonardo DiCaprio share,
Speaker 1: of which there are many, there's fart in the jacket,
Speaker 1: stick it in the face, surprise naked at him. There's
Speaker 1: we would pee in the tanks all the time, like
Speaker 1: she was, like Leo would eat a ton of garlic
Speaker 1: on days we had to kiss to prank me. I
Speaker 1: was just like, you guys are weird? You guys are
Speaker 1: you guys are? It sounds very like weird sibling kind
Speaker 1: of like antagonism. But but they also it was kind
Speaker 1: of cool to like they were always especially Kate Winslett,
Speaker 1: who I just love her so much, but like they
Speaker 1: were always trying to like add in little things into
Speaker 1: the movie. Because it sounds like Kate and Leonardo DiCaprio
Speaker 1: both felt that the movie. They were worried that the
Speaker 1: movie was going to be too corny and too earnest.
Speaker 1: And I think that especially because it was like whatever.
Speaker 1: DiCaprio was like like he almost didn't take the part
Speaker 1: because he's like he's too perfect, Like we're's just damage
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. And like Kate Winslet have played a
Speaker 1: bunch of like complicated roles and it's not I mean,
Speaker 1: ros is kind of a meteor role in Jack, but whatever.
Speaker 1: Like I think that they were both trying to add in.
Speaker 1: They're trying to get their little gen X two cents
Speaker 1: in where they could, and so they went to James
Speaker 1: Cameron when that scene was being like in the process
Speaker 1: of being rewritten, and I guess that it was at
Speaker 1: their insistence that Jack says like, well do you love
Speaker 1: the guy or not? Like stuff like that, Like there's
Speaker 1: a few lines in this movie that the way they
Speaker 1: would rehearse. I also loved the way that they would
Speaker 1: rehearse them, where like they would do it as written
Speaker 1: and then James Cameron would have them do scene again.
Speaker 1: The way that they would just talk to each other
Speaker 1: to get like the cadence down for like, well, how
Speaker 1: would you actually have this conversation, and then you would
Speaker 1: do it as written again with the correct cadence, which
Speaker 1: is pretty smart way to rehearse people. But like they
Speaker 1: occasionally would like Caitlin's like got like a lot of
Speaker 1: stuff into this movie. She is the person who said
Speaker 1: that Rose should spit in Cal's face. Originally she was
Speaker 1: poking him with a hairpin, but she was like, I
Speaker 1: already learned how to spit, and then James Caermon was like, shit,
Speaker 1: that should have been my idea. She and Francis Fisher
Speaker 1: also suggest in their scene together where Francis Fisher's like
Speaker 1: tying the corset, originally it was the reverse and Kate
Speaker 1: Winslett was tying Francis Fisher's this corset and they were like,
Speaker 1: it makes way more sense thematically if it's the other
Speaker 1: way around, and James Carramon was like, Ash, maybe I'm
Speaker 1: could have a screenwriter. It's like, yeah, not really, but
Speaker 1: like I just thought it was fun where every time
Speaker 1: there was a point where it's like, oh I got
Speaker 1: that in, I was like, that's so cool. That is
Speaker 1: very cool, And I'm glad that James Cameron like listens
Speaker 1: to reason and lets his Yeah, he seems grouchy, but
Speaker 1: it's like it seems like when someone else has a
Speaker 1: better idea. This is like not a huge compet but
Speaker 1: it's like if someone else has a better idea, he
Speaker 1: will go with that idea. That's good. Yeah, let's take
Speaker 1: another quick break and then we will come back for
Speaker 1: more Titanic and we're back. Okay. So we have this
Speaker 1: scene with Jack and Rose and it's a little rocky
Speaker 1: here and there, but then she's like, let me look
Speaker 1: at your sexy drawings and then she's like a wooga.
Speaker 1: And then they're kind of like bonding and flirting, and
Speaker 1: he teaches her how to spit. Speaking of spitting, I
Speaker 1: guess that they were spitting that the water seaged in
Speaker 1: and that scene and they were spitting onto like the
Speaker 1: floor of a parking lot, and Leonardo DiCaprio like set
Speaker 1: up these little targets on the ground. Would like to
Speaker 1: hit my little target. Wow. I love fun facts. Okay.
Speaker 1: So meanwhile, Bruce Ismay is pressuring Captain EJ. Smith played
Speaker 1: by Bernard Hill. I want them to model her speed. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And he wants the captain to light the last four
Speaker 1: boilers so that the ship goes really fast and gets
Speaker 1: to New York City early ever heard of New York City? Yeah,
Speaker 1: because the maiden voyage of Titanic must make headlines. That
Speaker 1: actor fucking rules. Apparently, like he and Francis Fisher are
Speaker 1: good friends, and so even in scenes that he wasn't
Speaker 1: in that Francis Fisher was in, he would like come
Speaker 1: to set those days and watch her work. He was,
Speaker 1: so I was like, oh, it's kind of fun. Mister
Speaker 1: Ame was sitting just off screen for that whole mother daughter.
Speaker 1: Of course, it's seen he's there. That's nice. I know
Speaker 1: he's just supporting his friend. Okay, So then it's time
Speaker 1: for dinner. Molly Brown dresses Jack in her son's tuxedo,
Speaker 1: and then Jack joins Rose and Cow and Ruth and
Speaker 1: a bunch of other rich, first class people for dinner.
Speaker 1: Ruth and Cal think Jack is gross, but Rose is like, wow,
Speaker 1: I like him, a free spirit. Here's a Molly Brown fact, please,
Speaker 1: So Molly Brown. She's very characterized as new money and
Speaker 1: James Cameron takes a little bit of creative license with
Speaker 1: her in this where it's like she was a big personality,
Speaker 1: but also she was I guess in real life was
Speaker 1: like pretty dead set on fitting in and would not
Speaker 1: speak out as quite as much as she does in
Speaker 1: the movie. I'm glad she does in the movie. But
Speaker 1: there is like a fun and not finding who cares.
Speaker 1: It's just like rich people shit. But there's like a
Speaker 1: brief converse station with John Jacob Astar, who is like
Speaker 1: the richest man in America at the time, and his
Speaker 1: teenage wife, and every account is like he doated on
Speaker 1: his wife, and you're like, okay, like she was a teenager,
Speaker 1: but I guess he died, but apparently they were like
Speaker 1: really good friends, and so, like James Cameron tried to
Speaker 1: add in, like there's like a scene, there's like an
Speaker 1: exchange where Kathy Bates is like, hey asked her? Yeah,
Speaker 1: so that is a reference to like how she used
Speaker 1: to talk to him, And I guess that, like the
Speaker 1: reason that he liked her was because everyone treated him like,
Speaker 1: you know, god, and she was like really she treated
Speaker 1: him like a person, and he's like, go on, They'd
Speaker 1: like been on vacations together. There's a picture of them
Speaker 1: on camels. So it turns out, I mean, it's like,
Speaker 1: I know whatever, you know that like people knew each
Speaker 1: other on this boat. But I was like, oh, Molly
Speaker 1: Brown actually lost like a dear friend and it was
Speaker 1: just some rich guy with a teenage wife. So ultimately,
Speaker 1: who cares. Estimately I don't feel that bad, but personally
Speaker 1: must have been heard for her. Yeah that's true, Yeah,
Speaker 1: poor Molly. Yeah, um okay. So after dinner, Jack to
Speaker 1: Rose is like, so you want to go to a
Speaker 1: real party, and he invites Rose to a third class
Speaker 1: party below deck and it's a good ass time. Rose
Speaker 1: is chugging beer, she's smoking cigarettes, she's doing this tippytoe
Speaker 1: ballet thing where she was on wires for that. Oh okay,
Speaker 1: quick dancing facts with Jamie. Kate Winslett and Dicabrio had
Speaker 1: to be trained to dance, and this is them doing
Speaker 1: all the dancing. Kate Winslett. All of these stories are like,
Speaker 1: Kate Winslett was lovely and so great. Leonardo DiCaprio was
Speaker 1: like pretty good, which I would also describe their caliber
Speaker 1: of performances in this movie. Yeah, but apparently, like again,
Speaker 1: I don't know, it just sounds like Leonardo DiCaprio is
Speaker 1: in his like pussy posse. I'm a little shit era
Speaker 1: during this because he, like I guess, would really avoid
Speaker 1: the dance lessons. He like didn't want to do them.
Speaker 1: And I know, I'm just like you fucking brat, But
Speaker 1: this is a fun story where the dance coach also
Speaker 1: like the dance coaches on the commentary track, it's very comprehensive. Wow,
Speaker 1: but the dance coach was like, yeah, like Kate was
Speaker 1: having a hard time, but she worked really hard at
Speaker 1: it and she picked up on it pretty quickly. I
Speaker 1: was proud of her, and I was like, Leo was
Speaker 1: always avoiding me and he didn't want to go to
Speaker 1: the lessons and every time and she was like, I
Speaker 1: would have to come to his trailer between takes to
Speaker 1: like help him learn like the clogging dance that he does,
Speaker 1: because that was, like, I mean, it wouldn't have been easy.
Speaker 1: And she was like, and he eventually learned, but I
Speaker 1: would always have to knock on his trailer for a
Speaker 1: while and tell him to put his pet lizard away
Speaker 1: before I could come in. He had a pet lizard
Speaker 1: on set all the time. He had a lizard named
Speaker 1: Blizzard that like lived with him in Mexico. And I
Speaker 1: guess that the dance. Every time the dancing startor came by,
Speaker 1: she'd have to like pound on his trailer door and
Speaker 1: be like, put the lizard away, it's dancing time. And
Speaker 1: he'd be like no, They're like what it really like,
Speaker 1: I don't. I have no particular attachment to Leonardo DiCaprio.
Speaker 1: I'm too old for him, but I was really endeared
Speaker 1: to him when I found out that he had a
Speaker 1: lizard friend with him the whole time. I'm like, wow,
Speaker 1: people really were. It sounds like people were really in
Speaker 1: a strange place mentally on the set of Billy Zane's
Speaker 1: making abstract art. Leo is spooning his lizard Lizard. It
Speaker 1: sounds like everyone's in a very, very like weird place
Speaker 1: with here. But I was like, I wonder whatever became
Speaker 1: a Blizzard the Lizard. I haven't been able to find
Speaker 1: pictures of him, damn her. I don't know, I don't
Speaker 1: know them, I don't I don't know what was going
Speaker 1: on with Blizzard. But I just wanted to say, of
Speaker 1: course there wouldn't be a record of Blizzard. Blizzard, but
Speaker 1: he saved Leonardo DiCaprio in every way a person can
Speaker 1: be saved. Okay, Okay, so we're belowdeck at the party.
Speaker 1: Jack and Rose are really having a blast. They're spinning.
Speaker 1: The scene ends and what is essentially a congo line.
Speaker 1: The next day, Wait, Kaitlyn, I found a picture of
Speaker 1: Leo and Blizzard. Whoa, I'm texting it to you right now. Okay, Wait,
Speaker 1: they're actually Oh god, why was he so hot during
Speaker 1: this time? Why is the picture of him and Blizzard sexy? Wow?
Speaker 1: He actually there's actually like a bunch of pictures of
Speaker 1: him on the set of Titanic with Blizzard. Okay, he
Speaker 1: like loves this. It reminds me of men are so
Speaker 1: like something is so wrong with them, where like I
Speaker 1: read I read recently, I forget what I watched. Oh
Speaker 1: I watched Ticket to Paradise with Julia Roberts and George Clooney.
Speaker 1: I didn't finish it, to be honest, but I was
Speaker 1: reading about George Clooney and George Clooney ended a marriage
Speaker 1: because one of his why and one of his ex
Speaker 1: wives was like, I'm really sick of your pet pig,
Speaker 1: and I guess that it reached the he has I
Speaker 1: think the pig is no longer with us. But he
Speaker 1: had a pet pig forever and it was big, and
Speaker 1: at one point, allegedly one of his marriages pre amal,
Speaker 1: someone said it's me or the pig, and he said
Speaker 1: get out. He said, I choose the pig. He chose
Speaker 1: the pig. Wow, which I would never recover from that.
Speaker 1: But all that to say, yeah, Leo and his lizard,
Speaker 1: George and his pig. Great love that. There's pictures of
Speaker 1: Leo and Blizzard that actually makes me happy. They're very nice.
Speaker 1: Oh no, well, we'll post the pictures on the Instagram
Speaker 1: when this episode comes out. Oh okay, so sorry. The
Speaker 1: next morning after this party, Cal and Rose are having breakfast,
Speaker 1: and Cal screams at her and he flips a table
Speaker 1: for hanging out with Jack instead of him, because he
Speaker 1: had his undertaker of a man servant follow Rose, this
Speaker 1: guy named love Joy. Yeah. Ruth also gets on Rose's case, saying,
Speaker 1: you cannot see that boy again because it turns out
Speaker 1: that Rose and Ruth's family money is gone and that
Speaker 1: Rose needs to marry Cal and like have access to
Speaker 1: his fortune to ensure Rose and Ruth's survival. R So,
Speaker 1: basically Rose needs to stop jeopardizing her relationship with Cal.
Speaker 1: Frances Fisher had like a really nice or I guess
Speaker 1: like it just like a very thoughtful kind of like
Speaker 1: meditation on that scene, and she like, she seems really sweet.
Speaker 1: She's saying that, how like in the ten years since
Speaker 1: Titanic could come out, there were a lot of like
Speaker 1: younger fans, and I know I was in this. I
Speaker 1: think that like early in this show, we weren't even
Speaker 1: quite a like comprehension place where it's like, why is
Speaker 1: that mom so mean? And like Frances Fisher was like
Speaker 1: fielding questions like this from young fans of Titanic for
Speaker 1: years who viewed her as a villain, which there are
Speaker 1: villain as, you know whatever. But she she did a
Speaker 1: really I think, like concise way of just like talking
Speaker 1: about how she would talk to younger fans of the movie.
Speaker 1: And she's like, no, I understand why you feel that way.
Speaker 1: You have to understand. Like she's like, it doesn't make
Speaker 1: what she did right. But women had no options at
Speaker 1: this time, they couldn't vote, they were already in a
Speaker 1: precarious position. She should have been thinking about her daughter's
Speaker 1: mental well being, but she was thinking about immediacy. And
Speaker 1: she said, quote, Ruth's pain is that her daughter will
Speaker 1: not be able to experience safety unquote. And I thought
Speaker 1: that was a very empathetic view of that character. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I agree. Yeah, Okay, So with all this pressure from
Speaker 1: her mom, Rose relents and she tells Jack that she
Speaker 1: cannot see him again. And he is like, oh, they've
Speaker 1: got you trapped, Rose, and you need to break free.
Speaker 1: You can do it. You're the most amazing, wonderful girl
Speaker 1: I've never known. And then we're like wow, King, but
Speaker 1: she's not having it and she leaves. Meanwhile, mister Andrews
Speaker 1: is giving a little tour to the rich people, and
Speaker 1: Rose figures out that there are not enough lifeboats on
Speaker 1: board for all the passengers. Also, Captain E. J. Smith
Speaker 1: is getting Iceberg warnings and were like, um foreshadowing much
Speaker 1: and history fat apparently for this for this movie, the
Speaker 1: original like manufacturers of the Titanic, Harland and Wolf or
Speaker 1: one of the original manufacturers, gave James Cameron access to
Speaker 1: Thomas Andrews earlier drawings and gave him access to his
Speaker 1: journals and process and so this production was the first
Speaker 1: to confirm, even before history books, that there had been
Speaker 1: versions of the Titanic in which there were enough lifeboats,
Speaker 1: but that like, like he says in the movie, like
Speaker 1: it was considered to make the deck look too cluttered,
Speaker 1: and so they were gotten rid of. So that was
Speaker 1: actually breaking freaking news. Wow, I know, kind of cool.
Speaker 1: Um Okay. So then after having told Jack that she
Speaker 1: can't see him anymore, she's like, wait a minute, fuck this,
Speaker 1: and then she goes back to Jack. He's at the
Speaker 1: I believe the bowl of the ship, the front of it.
Speaker 1: He's brooding. But she's like, Jack, changed my mind, and
Speaker 1: it's sunset, and he's like, get up here. So she
Speaker 1: like hims on the railing of the ship. And he's
Speaker 1: like close your eyes, and then he like spreads out
Speaker 1: her arms and she opens her eyes and she's like,
Speaker 1: I'm flying and then then I'm and then I'm crying
Speaker 1: and it's all a lot. This is a very commonly
Speaker 1: circulated anecdote, but for that scene, some of the shots
Speaker 1: are done with a Matt painting of the sunset, but
Speaker 1: the big kissing shot was done with an actual sunset
Speaker 1: and they waited for forever. They were like whatever. It
Speaker 1: was like they had two chances at the shot, and
Speaker 1: Kate Winslet it was what, I don't know. I feel
Speaker 1: like Kate Winslet and James Cameron, their relationship is so confusing,
Speaker 1: but like this was a positive anecdote with them, where
Speaker 1: Kate and Lee are up on the railing and then
Speaker 1: there's one one of the takes where Kate Win's was
Speaker 1: like we need to go right now, and James Cameron
Speaker 1: like listened to her and started shooting, and that is
Speaker 1: the shot that's used in the movie. And apparently it's
Speaker 1: a little bit out of focus because it was so
Speaker 1: like she was like, you need to do it right now,
Speaker 1: and he had them start shooting before they were fully focused. Checked. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I can't tell, like I couldn't tell, but like apparently
Speaker 1: that shot is a little bit out of focus. But
Speaker 1: they both talk about that and they're like, that was
Speaker 1: a beautiful collaborative moment, I know. And then she and
Speaker 1: Jack kiss, kiss, kiss, yeah, and it's nice. And then
Speaker 1: they go to her room and she shows him the
Speaker 1: heart of the ocean and she's like, I want you
Speaker 1: to draw me like one of your French girls wearing this,
Speaker 1: wearing only this. And then he goes, yo woga sounds.
Speaker 1: And then James Cameron goes, what what fun fact about
Speaker 1: the drawing scene? M So Rose's nude, Jack's drawing her?
Speaker 1: Everyone knows that's actually James Cameron drawing. We will not
Speaker 1: rehash that. A new thing I learned was that, you
Speaker 1: know how like in the music in that scene is
Speaker 1: like just a single piano playing the Rose theme A
Speaker 1: fun uh. I love fun facts. So James Horner may
Speaker 1: he rest in peace, huge collaborator of James Cameron, amongst others.
Speaker 1: But there was like a file confusion where so I
Speaker 1: guess that like James Horner had recorded himself playing this
Speaker 1: track on the piano himself as like a test of
Speaker 1: like it would sound something like this, and like, I
Speaker 1: don't know what the nineteen ninety six version of the
Speaker 1: Cloud was, but uploaded it to like a mutual server
Speaker 1: with the file names sketch sketch meaning this isn't finished,
Speaker 1: this is a rough draft, right, James Cameron sees a
Speaker 1: final named sketch and thinks it's for the sketching scene.
Speaker 1: And so because I guess James Cameron did a lot
Speaker 1: of editing or like pre editing for this movie, and
Speaker 1: there was like he was trying to get this scene
Speaker 1: together and was like, oh, this isn't quite syncing up,
Speaker 1: like I don't really know what he's thinking with this,
Speaker 1: but then figures it out and then it's like, wait,
Speaker 1: I love this. This like is perfect. It's so like
Speaker 1: spare and beautiful, and he like called James Horner and
Speaker 1: he's like, I love sketch and James Harder's like, what
Speaker 1: are you talking about? And I guess that, like James
Speaker 1: Horner like had to really be talked into like letting
Speaker 1: them use that in the final cut of the movie,
Speaker 1: because he was like, I had a whole plan and
Speaker 1: James Cameron's like, no, this is good. I love sketch. Wow,
Speaker 1: I know it isn't that sweet. It's very sweet. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the movies, the movie really feeling like a movie in
Speaker 1: this scene, tell you what it really is. Okay. So
Speaker 1: she's like, draw me like one of your French girls,
Speaker 1: and then he draws her like one of his French girls.
Speaker 1: It's the drawing we saw at the beginning, and it
Speaker 1: was the most erratic moment of Rose's life up until
Speaker 1: that at least. And then you cut to Bill Paxson horny. Okay.
Speaker 1: Then love Joy, who is still following Rose at Cal's behest,
Speaker 1: comes in and starts chasing Rose and Jack around the ship.
Speaker 1: They end up in like the storage compartments where all
Speaker 1: of like the big crates and cars are being stored,
Speaker 1: and they get into a car and Jack is like
Speaker 1: bebe where to miss and She's like into the stars.
Speaker 1: And then she pulls him into the back seat and
Speaker 1: she says, put your hands on me, Jack, and then she,
Speaker 1: cheering to quote the script, slides under his welcome weight.
Speaker 1: Now that's something that comes up in all seven episodes,
Speaker 1: and it should It is just not okay that that's
Speaker 1: the way that that was written down. No one should
Speaker 1: have said that. No one should have thought that and
Speaker 1: James Cameron should have had to pay some sort of fine,
Speaker 1: He should have to chop all of his fingers off.
Speaker 1: He Oh my god, what is give me James Cameron's
Speaker 1: Banshees of Innisharon? Honestly? Like who is he sending his
Speaker 1: damn fingers too? Like? Who? I wonder if there has
Speaker 1: to be a director that James Cameron can't stand right,
Speaker 1: Like I know that Del Toro is one of his
Speaker 1: best friends and he has a lot of good seems
Speaker 1: like in terms of like I mean, and this means
Speaker 1: nothing because it's like among male otours, he seems to
Speaker 1: be pretty well liked. But I'm like, there has to
Speaker 1: be someone who's on his shit list? Oh who is
Speaker 1: he mail in those fingers too? I want to know?
Speaker 1: Or Banshees of Innisharon where El Toro is Colin Farrell
Speaker 1: and James Cameron is Brendan Gleeson, where one day James
Speaker 1: Cameron's like, I don't want to be your friend anymore
Speaker 1: and Del Toro was like, why that would be so sad? Well,
Speaker 1: it was so sad, but it happened to Colin Farrell,
Speaker 1: I know, And it's always so sad. It's the saddest
Speaker 1: story about friends who are boys. Okay, So, so Jack
Speaker 1: and Rose have sex in the back of the car
Speaker 1: and this is when we get the hand slapping the
Speaker 1: steamy window moment, iconic love it. Then they go back
Speaker 1: up to the deck of the ship and Rose is like,
Speaker 1: when the ship doks, I'm getting off with you, and
Speaker 1: he's like, oh my god, what. And then they're kissing
Speaker 1: and they're giggling and it's distracting the two lookouts who
Speaker 1: are in like the crow's nest area. And that is
Speaker 1: like a brilliant writing decision of like, um, they saw
Speaker 1: people kissing and they got a horny. Therefore there they
Speaker 1: have blood on their hands for the Titanic sunk um. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So they're too distracted to notice the iceberg that is
Speaker 1: directly ahead of them. But then they look up and
Speaker 1: they see the iceberg and they sound the alarm. Then
Speaker 1: there is, in my opinion, maybe the best and most
Speaker 1: tension filled sequence ever committed to film. For all of
Speaker 1: the crew is scrambling around. They're trying to prevent the
Speaker 1: ship from hitting the iceberg. There's this moment of is
Speaker 1: it gonna hit is it gonna miss? Well, I don't
Speaker 1: know which is well because you know how it is,
Speaker 1: but it still makes you feel that way. But like
Speaker 1: it so good, and my already very high opinion of
Speaker 1: the sequence was further improved. There's like a million little
Speaker 1: bit It's like that scene is also full of like
Speaker 1: historical references too. Like that sequence specifically, there was a
Speaker 1: lot of care taken to like reference survivors who were
Speaker 1: very helpful in piecing together He's an account of what
Speaker 1: actually happened. And so there's like one of the men
Speaker 1: that worked in the engine room who is like a
Speaker 1: huge source for like giving insight into what was going
Speaker 1: on there. He like appears and like has a line
Speaker 1: of dialogue. And then like there's just like all of
Speaker 1: these like incidental players in the story that like helped
Speaker 1: build out this clear picture that this movie is even
Speaker 1: able to exist because of And I just I just
Speaker 1: I love shit like that. I'm so glad that it's
Speaker 1: like you take the time to like have this or
Speaker 1: even shit like the fucking Pomeranian. You're like movie feels
Speaker 1: like a movie, folks. I love it. James Cameron does
Speaker 1: his research. He goes to the library and he reads
Speaker 1: those books. He stays, he and he stays for more
Speaker 1: than a day. I actually don't think he goes to
Speaker 1: the library. Someone goes on his behalf and a photocopy,
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff. I don't know how much he
Speaker 1: leaves his house brings a library to him, but he
Speaker 1: consumes it is the point. Yes, yes, so anyway, so
Speaker 1: there's this very tension filled moment and ultimately, historically famously
Speaker 1: the Titanic hits the iceberg and it is blink chaos.
Speaker 1: It goes Yeah. The fully artist was on the thing
Speaker 1: being like, so it not a lot of people know this,
Speaker 1: but when they hit the iceberg it kind of went boink.
Speaker 1: What if it was like, what's the like I'm thinking
Speaker 1: of like a like a an old tiny like a
Speaker 1: Hannah barbera sound effect of like k like when Fred
Speaker 1: flint Stone gets hit on the head, was like, that
Speaker 1: should be a thing. Maybe that's a project I will
Speaker 1: undergo where I because I'm already oh yeah, knee deep
Speaker 1: in my re editing the endings of movies to make
Speaker 1: them far more shrekky. And maybe I will read and
Speaker 1: fully work re edit famous scenes of movies, changing the
Speaker 1: fully around to make it really well exciting. That's what
Speaker 1: I did with figure skaters during the Olympics, and it
Speaker 1: got it ruined my life for a while. So just
Speaker 1: be careful who you're fucking with, Okay, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah yeah. I watched an interview with James Camp. I'm
Speaker 1: just I'm in the zone, like I know, he's not
Speaker 1: a good person. I cannot stop watching there. I was
Speaker 1: watching an interview he did at the time. Yeah, in
Speaker 1: like ninety seven with famously disgraced Charlie Rose. But there
Speaker 1: were two things he said in the interview that made
Speaker 1: me laugh with then because I'm from the future and
Speaker 1: they're not. But two things he said in the interview
Speaker 1: that made me laugh was that he said several times
Speaker 1: like oh, like he was talking about how whatever, like
Speaker 1: you will not get engaged into the story of the
Speaker 1: Titanic unless you care about the characters, and you also
Speaker 1: can fully appreciate what the ship was in its heyday,
Speaker 1: like what it meant. And he was like, well, you know,
Speaker 1: like you can go on and on and on about
Speaker 1: the power of the love between two people until you're
Speaker 1: blue in the face. But I don't know why you
Speaker 1: do that. And I was like, blue in the face interesting,
Speaker 1: until you're blue in the face. Yeah, and thus Avatar
Speaker 1: was born, and that he was foreshadowing himself hard and
Speaker 1: then like at the end, famously disgraced Charlie, Rose asks like, oh,
Speaker 1: are you going to keep making epics after this? And
Speaker 1: he says he it's pretty funny. He was like, yeah, No,
Speaker 1: I don't think I'm ever going to make another like
Speaker 1: three hour movie. I don't think that I would do that.
Speaker 1: And I was like, wow, well you're gonna say that
Speaker 1: until you're blue in the face, my friend, because you're
Speaker 1: about to make Avatar one and then two, and then three,
Speaker 1: other four and then five. We're never going to escape,
Speaker 1: all right, Okay? Moving on. So the ship hits the iceberg.
Speaker 1: It's chaos as water starts cascading into the lower decks
Speaker 1: of the ship and into the boiler room where the
Speaker 1: workers are trying desperately to escape. Water starts seeping onto
Speaker 1: the floors of the third classrooms. Meanwhile, first class people
Speaker 1: are like teh, what's going on? Then Jack and Rose
Speaker 1: go to tell Ruth and Cal about the ship hitting
Speaker 1: the iceberg and the gravity of the situation, but Cal
Speaker 1: is busy framing Jack for stealing the heart of the Ocean,
Speaker 1: and Jack gets arrested and handcuffed to a pipe in
Speaker 1: the Master at Arms office, and Rose is like, damn,
Speaker 1: I guess my boyfriend who I met two days ago
Speaker 1: is a thief that sucks. Life comes at you fast,
Speaker 1: like yeah, And then mister Andrews is having a meeting
Speaker 1: with Bruce Ismay and the Captain and a VHS tape
Speaker 1: one We're in it, baby, saying the ship will sink.
Speaker 1: It's a mathematical certainty. We've got an hour two of
Speaker 1: the most and then the captain turns to Bruce's million says,
Speaker 1: I believe you make it your headlines mysteries may and
Speaker 1: then we go because it's like the most iconic. I maybe,
Speaker 1: like there are so many amazing lines, but I do
Speaker 1: think that that's my favorite. It's really good because it
Speaker 1: has like this like generational significance too, Like I understand
Speaker 1: like if a seventeen year old watched this movie, there's
Speaker 1: no way that would be their favorite line. But I
Speaker 1: feel like the VHS split it has a generational significance.
Speaker 1: It's true, it's my favorite line in the movie. And
Speaker 1: also I'm like Bitchie much Captain Smith, what do you like?
Speaker 1: You did it? Like? Okay? Quick fun fact. I think
Speaker 1: maybe we've I feel like maybe we've referenced this before.
Speaker 1: But Bernard Hill, who plays Captain Smith, was the only
Speaker 1: cast member, which is like, this makes sense, but he
Speaker 1: was the only cast member to have previously also been
Speaker 1: in a different Titanic movie. Have we ever talked about that?
Speaker 1: Whoa oh, you mean kind of like how oh, what's
Speaker 1: the SpongeBob voice actor who was in both Pinocchio, Tom
Speaker 1: Kenny Tom Kenny. Yes, it's Tom Kenny. It's the Tom
Speaker 1: Kenny Pinocchio syndrome. The ground was set by Bernard Hill
Speaker 1: and Titanic properties. But other Titanic movie was he in?
Speaker 1: He was in A Night to Remember, I think, the
Speaker 1: second most famous Titanic movie that came out. I believe
Speaker 1: in the fifties he would have been a small child. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: he was a young man. I think that he is
Speaker 1: like in the because this is the nineties. It's like
Speaker 1: forty years later. So I think, you know, Bernard Hills
Speaker 1: like in his maybe late sixties or like sometimes somewhere
Speaker 1: in his sixties, Susan his early twenties. But he plays
Speaker 1: the part of Officer Fleet, who I believe is one
Speaker 1: of the guys that spots the iceberg in A Night
Speaker 1: to Remember and he, I guess there's like a fun
Speaker 1: I keep saying there's a fun anecdote, but but I'm right.
Speaker 1: One of the producers was talking about how like Bernard Hill,
Speaker 1: you know, he was like, he'd played Officer Fleet and
Speaker 1: now he's playing the captain forty five years later. How wild?
Speaker 1: And so he spoke with the actor who plays Officer
Speaker 1: Fleet in this movie, and again, I just I'm like,
Speaker 1: the more you just hear about the actors, it just
Speaker 1: sounds like they are really like it felt like it
Speaker 1: sounds like they were going through what we as a
Speaker 1: world would go through during lockdown, where you're just like
Speaker 1: kind of stuck somewhere and you're just kind of like
Speaker 1: something is different in your brain but you can't but
Speaker 1: there's no one like completely with it to verify that with.
Speaker 1: So the guy who played Officer Fleet had been in
Speaker 1: Mexico where he didn't know anybody for six weeks and
Speaker 1: then met Bernard Hill and he was like, Hey, how
Speaker 1: long were you on set waiting to do your scenes
Speaker 1: for A Night to Remember? And Bernard Hill was like,
Speaker 1: m two hours. You all this poor guy is like
Speaker 1: losing it and it's like not himself anymore, and Bernard
Speaker 1: Hills like, I don't know, kind of back then you
Speaker 1: would just kind of go to burbank and like say
Speaker 1: your lines and get the fuck out, like and it
Speaker 1: just sounded very I don't know. I guess if I
Speaker 1: was an older actor, I would um, I would clown
Speaker 1: on younger actors in a similar way. I'd be like, yeah,
Speaker 1: must suck for you. Anyways, Anyways, the part that I
Speaker 1: formerly played Justice or else, I'm gonna bully you. I
Speaker 1: don't know. Why don't they turning? I wonder if it
Speaker 1: was that guy or the other guy. I don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, okay, So the crew starts loading
Speaker 1: the first class passengers into the lifeboats, women and children first,
Speaker 1: of course, which was not maritime law. That was usual.
Speaker 1: Oh generally it was every man for himself. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: so so that's happening. The string quartet is playing. Rose
Speaker 1: is about to get on a lifeboat with her mom
Speaker 1: and Molly and the other rich women, and then Cal
Speaker 1: says something very cow and shitty is this one? He says,
Speaker 1: I should have kept that drawing. It would have been
Speaker 1: worth a lot more by morning. Yeah, and so once
Speaker 1: again she's like, fuck this. She says my favorite line
Speaker 1: of the movie to Cal, which is you unimaginable bastard,
Speaker 1: you bits in his face. Kate winslet baby, Oh, it
Speaker 1: wouldn't have worked with it with a hairpin. Grow up right. Oh,
Speaker 1: it's so good the way she does it, it's so cathartic,
Speaker 1: it's wonderful. And then she runs off to go find Jack,
Speaker 1: who is still handcuffed to a pipe and the room
Speaker 1: that he's in is filling with water. Rose finds him,
Speaker 1: but oh no, there's no key to the handcuffs, so
Speaker 1: she goes and gets an axe. She chops the handcuff chain,
Speaker 1: freeing him, and then they have to swim through the
Speaker 1: freezing cold water back to safety. Jack and Rose then
Speaker 1: link up with fabrit Ceo and Tommy. They're still below deck.
Speaker 1: Wait at this point, has she already punched the employee
Speaker 1: in the face. Yes, she does that right before she
Speaker 1: finds the axe. Right, Okay. I wanted to just share
Speaker 1: a quick anecdote about that before we get because the
Speaker 1: third class fact that is like included in the movie
Speaker 1: is that in the movie, it's like Tommy runs the
Speaker 1: charge of like the bench through the Yea. So apparently
Speaker 1: that actually did happen, and there was a bunch of
Speaker 1: Irish third class passengers who did something very similar, which
Speaker 1: I didn't know. I thought that was really cool that
Speaker 1: they included that, but I wanted to share fun. James
Speaker 1: Cameron another just James Cameron sitting in a room talking line,
Speaker 1: because again he talks about all of his characters as
Speaker 1: if someone else has written them, but in a way
Speaker 1: where it's like he really likes the movie, he enjoys
Speaker 1: watching it. So after Rose whatever, when Rose is coming
Speaker 1: back down looking for the axe and there's like a
Speaker 1: panicked employee, he's like, you have to come with me,
Speaker 1: and she punches him in the face. James Cameron says,
Speaker 1: quote Rose is all about getting people to listen to her,
Speaker 1: and that's what you get, long pause if you don't
Speaker 1: listen to Rose. He's kind of he's kind of talking
Speaker 1: about nothing for most of it. But I was just
Speaker 1: I was so delighted. I was like, you just sound
Speaker 1: like a guy watching the movie. I mean, I imagine
Speaker 1: it's very difficult to have to comment basically NonStop during
Speaker 1: a three hour and fourteen minute movie, but you just
Speaker 1: insisted on doing it by himself, Like I'm just like,
Speaker 1: why didn't you just like invite a second purse? You know,
Speaker 1: why are there fourteen people on one commentary track and
Speaker 1: then you doing this for the other one. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: it was but it was literally just like random things
Speaker 1: like that. And then just like facts James Cameron knows
Speaker 1: about the Titanic because ultimately that is why he did it.
Speaker 1: He really just wanted an excuse to go explore the
Speaker 1: wreckage of Titanic, and that is why the movie exists. Dude,
Speaker 1: I respect the hell out of that as like, as
Speaker 1: someone who has made their living just like getting other
Speaker 1: people to pay for things that I wanted to do
Speaker 1: anyways and then making something about it. It is the
Speaker 1: perfect crime. Pretty cool. Yeah, works for everyone. Okay, So
Speaker 1: Jack and Rose link up with Fabrizio and Tommy. They
Speaker 1: are still below deck because while the first class people
Speaker 1: are being loaded onto the lifeboats, the third class passengers
Speaker 1: are being locked behind gates. So Jack and Tommy and
Speaker 1: the other guys break down a gate back on deck.
Speaker 1: It's chaos as people are trying to get on lifeboats
Speaker 1: because there are famously not enough. Jack gets Rose to
Speaker 1: a lifeboat and kl is there and he's like, I've
Speaker 1: arranged for both Jack and I to get on a boat.
Speaker 1: So she's like, okay, I'll get on this lifeboat. But
Speaker 1: then she looks up at Jack and once again she's
Speaker 1: like fuck this and she jumps and then Billy Zanne
Speaker 1: gives another one of my like top ten line reads
Speaker 1: of the movie. He's pretty heavily featured in my top
Speaker 1: ten line reads. He goes one way or another. By
Speaker 1: the way he says one way or another, I'm like,
Speaker 1: how did you even do that? With your mouth? I
Speaker 1: always win Jack one way or another? He says one
Speaker 1: way or another as if it is like a single word,
Speaker 1: Like you're just like, how did he do that? That
Speaker 1: is so well? Okay, quick thing about DiCaprio that based
Speaker 1: on because we've covered a number of Leonardo DiCaprio flimsy
Speaker 1: on this podcast. We I believe it was the summer
Speaker 1: of twenty twenty. I remember where it was when we
Speaker 1: covered Inception, and we bravely made the connection that Leonardo
Speaker 1: DiCaprio is constantly wet in clothes in his movies all
Speaker 1: the time. It happens with alarming frequency. It happens in
Speaker 1: almost every single one. It's kind of like it's in
Speaker 1: his contract or something like I have to be in
Speaker 1: clothes submerged in water. So imagine my shock when I'm
Speaker 1: listening to the producer slash everybody Who's not James Cameron
Speaker 1: commentary track that like, Leonardo DiCaprio is glaringly missing. He
Speaker 1: was not available. He was inside of a bear or
Speaker 1: whatever he was doing. Like yeah, but producer John Landau says,
Speaker 1: very matter of factly, Leonardo DiCaprio hates acting in the water.
Speaker 1: And I was like, wow, that's a shock from all
Speaker 1: of his movies. And then Kate Winslet jumps onto that
Speaker 1: and says that he was such a baby every time
Speaker 1: he had to be in the water, and she I
Speaker 1: think she was like a little she sounded ten years
Speaker 1: later annoyed about it because she was just like She's like,
Speaker 1: and it's just interesting because you know, he was in
Speaker 1: the water for a lot of scenes, but not even
Speaker 1: half as many scenes as I was in the water,
Speaker 1: and I got hypothermia and I just like kind of
Speaker 1: really didn't complain as much as he did on set.
Speaker 1: But apparently, like even though the water scenes were interesting
Speaker 1: to hear about again, it's like Kate Winslet is just
Speaker 1: like left in the fucking trenches in this because in
Speaker 1: spite of not lighting king to act in the water.
Speaker 1: Leonardo DiCaprio is scuba certified for some reason. Okay, probably
Speaker 1: because he's in the water all the time even before
Speaker 1: this movie, so he's already scuba certified. But Kate Winslet,
Speaker 1: there's like an anecdote in the scene where they're trying
Speaker 1: to unlock the gate so that they don't drown. Yes,
Speaker 1: in that scene, Kate Winslet had like a panic attack
Speaker 1: on set because they were filling the set with water
Speaker 1: like practical effects style, and so there were only a
Speaker 1: couple of inches to breathe. But to James Cameron's credit,
Speaker 1: like it seems like he did everything he could to
Speaker 1: set up safety protocols and like there were rescue divers,
Speaker 1: Like no one was significantly injured or died. It sounds
Speaker 1: like the PCP thing was about as bad as it got.
Speaker 1: But like the safety instructor showed Kate Winslett, like it
Speaker 1: is gonna feel scary because there only will be a
Speaker 1: couple of inches to breathe. But if you push up
Speaker 1: on the ceiling, there is a ton of space and
Speaker 1: you're fine, and that was like how the scene was
Speaker 1: set up, and so she felt comfortable with that. But
Speaker 1: then it happened that, like when they were doing a take,
Speaker 1: she pushed up on the scene and the ceiling stuck
Speaker 1: and so there was not infinite space and she had
Speaker 1: like a panic attack. And then like I had to
Speaker 1: take some time during the day like, yeah, I know,
Speaker 1: it just this movie sounded like it sounded like everything
Speaker 1: was done that was possible, but still it's like you're
Speaker 1: sinking a boat every day. It just sounded terrible. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I could not. Sorry, I was looking through our Instagram
Speaker 1: to find the post that we made of all of
Speaker 1: the like screen grabs from movies where Leonardo DiCaprio was
Speaker 1: in water. He had been in water many times at
Speaker 1: this point. The fact that he's still complaining about it
Speaker 1: is unprofessional. And many times after Oh yeah, because we've
Speaker 1: got Inception obviously Titanic, the Beach, Shutter, Island, Great gats Be,
Speaker 1: Romeo and Juliet. He's in the water, is he not
Speaker 1: Romeo and Juliet? That was pretty Titanic. He falls in
Speaker 1: a pool in Wolf of Wall Street, he's in water.
Speaker 1: In the Revenant, he falls into water and what's eat
Speaker 1: and Gilbert Grape. It's just like he's always in water,
Speaker 1: and he's always in his clothes in water. It's honestly, like,
Speaker 1: with that in mind, it's absolutely shocking that Kate Winslet
Speaker 1: is an avatar way of water and he isn't right, Like,
Speaker 1: if there's anyone who's primed for being in the water,
Speaker 1: it's dicapria. But apparently I was just I was truly
Speaker 1: like shocked into Paul to hear that he didn't like it,
Speaker 1: because not to empathize with him, because who cares, but
Speaker 1: you're also like, wow, if he really truly doesn't like
Speaker 1: acting in water, his life is a nightmare. Like he
Speaker 1: literally does he know he's going to be in the
Speaker 1: water for another fifteen years minimum, you know, like they're
Speaker 1: not going to take him out of the tank. Like
Speaker 1: I assumed he liked being in the water or why
Speaker 1: would this be happening to him so much? But apparently
Speaker 1: as of ninety seven, he did not like being the water.
Speaker 1: He was peeing in the water, he was complaining about
Speaker 1: the water. Blizzard starving to death off screen. Who knows
Speaker 1: what's going on with Blizzard Blizzard the Lizard Blizzard the Lizard. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: so roses in this lifeboat. But then she's looking up
Speaker 1: at Jack and she's like, actually, no, I'm going to
Speaker 1: jump off the lifeboat, jump onto Titanic and be with Jack.
Speaker 1: And then she and Jack are running toward each other
Speaker 1: and they so much meet up, and then they're kissing
Speaker 1: and so beautiful. She's like, you jump by jump and
Speaker 1: he's like, yeah, God, they're so ridiculous. I really I
Speaker 1: really love them. That sequence never doesn't get me big time. See,
Speaker 1: I'm just like, romance is dead. I have no feelings
Speaker 1: and I only have feelings as ruined my life. It
Speaker 1: gets me every time. If you want to feel some
Speaker 1: technical distance from it. There's a fun they had to
Speaker 1: like shoot that upshot of Leonardo DiCaprio, like when the
Speaker 1: boat is lowering from both angles, because they only have
Speaker 1: one side of the boat right and so apparently there's
Speaker 1: a few cuts in the back and forth where or
Speaker 1: DiCaprio's part will shift just so because so much of
Speaker 1: this movie was shot in reverse, that I sent to
Speaker 1: you something that I think should be back to cast
Speaker 1: merch where something that wasn't completely symmetrical in its costuming
Speaker 1: or whatever it was, such as lettering lettering, so like
Speaker 1: a White star Line uniform that says white star Line.
Speaker 1: They would have to shoot it not but for certain
Speaker 1: scenes they would have to shoot it with a regular costume,
Speaker 1: and then they would also have to shoot it with
Speaker 1: a costume that just everything backwards, because they're like, oh,
Speaker 1: well this is for this side of the boat, so
Speaker 1: we're just going to reverse shot everything, so this will
Speaker 1: make things easier. And I want a backwards White star
Speaker 1: Line sweatshirt so bad. I really you can design that,
Speaker 1: I know, and I feel like our listeners will value
Speaker 1: it as well, and it's it's the best kind of
Speaker 1: piece of clothing because it's like a little annoying but
Speaker 1: not too annoying, which is my favorite, my favorite, and
Speaker 1: it's like when you know, you know, yeah, And it's
Speaker 1: also a conversation starter. But if you don't like, that's
Speaker 1: fine and I'll keep walking. Yeah, I'm an adult, right, Okay.
Speaker 1: So Rose has jumped off the lifeboat and met back
Speaker 1: up with Jack, which makes cal Very upset that Rose
Speaker 1: chose Jack over him. I hope you're all happy together.
Speaker 1: He grabs love Joy's gun and starts shooting at them,
Speaker 1: so they have to escape and run back down into
Speaker 1: the bowels of the ship which are very full of water,
Speaker 1: and there's this little boy that Jack and Rose try
Speaker 1: to save. They almost get trapped behind another gate, but
Speaker 1: they make it out at the last second. Quick thing
Speaker 1: about the little boy that was shot obviously so that
Speaker 1: there was no little boy stunt double that was knocked
Speaker 1: over by fifty thousand tons of water, But in any case,
Speaker 1: like the way that that scene was shot, I just
Speaker 1: thought it was so interesting where in that scene a
Speaker 1: stunt man and a little dummy of a little boy
Speaker 1: are knocked over by a ton of water, and then
Speaker 1: the cast off of that water, like a ton of water,
Speaker 1: also hits Jack and Rose. That shot is one of
Speaker 1: the first face swapping like deep fake shots ever committed
Speaker 1: to film. That is not the actors, that's their stunt doubles,
Speaker 1: because it was like, you couldn't ask an actor to
Speaker 1: be hit with that amount of force. Those are stunt doubles.
Speaker 1: And yeah, Leonardo DiCaprio and Caitlin's let's face Our Deep
Speaker 1: faked onto that and I watched it to try to
Speaker 1: see if, like how obvious it was. It didn't feel
Speaker 1: super obvious to me. But I think we should go
Speaker 1: back and watch it together sometime. But apparently that's like
Speaker 1: one of the first deep fake shots ever done. Interesting,
Speaker 1: I know it's mild. Well, Jamie come over literally whenever
Speaker 1: to watch Titanic. I mean, like we will probably watch
Speaker 1: it on tour and then also at the movies. The movies. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we come to this place for Titanic. Oh baby, we'll
Speaker 1: go into that place to laugh, to cry, to watch Titanic.
Speaker 1: We are going to that place, okay. Meanwhile, cal is
Speaker 1: trying to get on a lifeboat and he uses a
Speaker 1: lost child as an excuse to get on. I have
Speaker 1: a child, so iconic. Nearby, Captain E. J. Smith is disassociating, yes,
Speaker 1: which is a creative choice by Bernard Hill. Mmmmmm. Interesting.
Speaker 1: The band stops playing, but then one of them keeps
Speaker 1: playing by himself, and then they all joined back in
Speaker 1: It's beautiful. Then there's this montage where you see the
Speaker 1: old couple in bed together is a door Strauss and
Speaker 1: his wife real people, yes, In the scene with the
Speaker 1: Irish woman and her children, that is we've talked about
Speaker 1: this before. That was an actor named I don't remember,
Speaker 1: but she was like a James Cameron you stand by character.
Speaker 1: She had previously acted in brown face for him, which
Speaker 1: is alien. We had that discussion in Aliens our Aliens episode.
Speaker 1: But fun fact for Titanic, I feel like it is
Speaker 1: very very well remembered that she talks to her children
Speaker 1: about the land of tier Nanogue and an Irish folktale,
Speaker 1: and she came up with that that was not a
Speaker 1: James Cameron original. That was her doing research on a
Speaker 1: bedtime story that an Irish woman of that time would
Speaker 1: have told her kids, which I thought was really sweet cool,
Speaker 1: that was nice. Yes, um, Okay, so we seeah, we
Speaker 1: see the old couple, We see the Irish mummy with
Speaker 1: her kids. We see all this chaos continuing to ensue
Speaker 1: as half of the boat is now completely underwater. People
Speaker 1: are falling off the ship into the water. The captain's
Speaker 1: room floods, a smokestack falls over and crushes for Brizzio. Okay,
Speaker 1: quick thing there. I'm sorry. I know we've been recording
Speaker 1: this for nine hundred years. It's been eighty four years. Yes, okay,
Speaker 1: So are you aware of the alternate Fabrizio death? Yes,
Speaker 1: because it's in the screenplay. Okay, So I just wanted
Speaker 1: to rehash it Fabrizio. Apparently it was shot so that
Speaker 1: they had multiple options for Fabrizio to die, so by
Speaker 1: the time between the script and the shooting, they were like,
Speaker 1: we're not sure. We know this character is gonna die,
Speaker 1: We're not sure how. Danny Nucci had some fun quotes
Speaker 1: about it. He was just like, I died five or
Speaker 1: six different times, and then I just had to go
Speaker 1: see the movie and see what they chose. Wow, because
Speaker 1: in the original, like the smokestack is cged in, so
Speaker 1: like that shot very easily could have been him being like,
Speaker 1: oh no, it's so wet, or like whatever. You know. Okay,
Speaker 1: this did sound familiar, so you've probably told me before,
Speaker 1: but it was just like fun to revisit. There is
Speaker 1: a version of it that they shot that I haven't
Speaker 1: seen before, but I'm sure he's just somewhere of Fabrizio
Speaker 1: gets out of the wreck, paddles over to the lifeboat.
Speaker 1: The cal is in gets up and says, you don't understand,
Speaker 1: I have to go to a medica, like in his
Speaker 1: Italian accent, that's definitely real. Whatever, and then cal wax
Speaker 1: him with an oar on the head and says it's
Speaker 1: that way and that's how he dies. He dies via
Speaker 1: blunt trauma with Cal, and I think that everyone decided
Speaker 1: that like Cal was maybe bad enough already and that
Speaker 1: was maybe not need to commit murder, even though he
Speaker 1: already tried to murder his fiancee and Jack Um, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was bad enough, But that was, like, I just
Speaker 1: was wild. I think I had forgotten about that and
Speaker 1: it was a wild thing to revisit. That's the version
Speaker 1: that's in the draft of the screenplay that's readily available. Okay,
Speaker 1: if you download the screenplay of Titanic, which you can
Speaker 1: find online. It's very similar to the finished movie that
Speaker 1: we all know and love, but there are a few scenes,
Speaker 1: such as the Fabrizio death scene, that are pretty different
Speaker 1: in this version of the script than what ends up
Speaker 1: in the movie. But yeah, that's the version of his
Speaker 1: death that is in that draft of the script. Pretty funny. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: So Fabrizio tragically dies via smoke stuck. Also, Tommy had
Speaker 1: been shot a while back. I didn't put that in
Speaker 1: when it actually happened. Yeah, Jack and Rose are running
Speaker 1: to the other end of the ship the stern, trying
Speaker 1: to stay on the ship as long as possible, and
Speaker 1: Rose is like Jack. This is where we first met
Speaker 1: Kate for those scenes because they were like chained or
Speaker 1: like harnessed to the side of the boat. Like there
Speaker 1: was like a set that was called like the rotating
Speaker 1: poop deck for like those ending scenes where it would
Speaker 1: just be like mechanically up and down. But it was
Speaker 1: so difficult to navigate that Kate Winslet took it upon
Speaker 1: herself again icon to put like basically a full makeup
Speaker 1: kit in the pocket of her the big jacket where
Speaker 1: the heart of the ocean is supposed to be, and
Speaker 1: she would do her makeup touchups and Leonardo DiCaprio's makeup
Speaker 1: touchups so that a makeup artist wouldn't have to get
Speaker 1: like harnessed up onto the boat to fix them before shots.
Speaker 1: She's the best. She rocks, I know, She's so cool.
Speaker 1: Love it, brock, love it Okay. The stern. The stern
Speaker 1: is rising up and up as the bow sinks. This
Speaker 1: is when a guy falls off the ship and hits
Speaker 1: the propeller and spins, which everyone I cannot even count. Yeah,
Speaker 1: how many people I've been like I love the movie
Speaker 1: Titanic and someone will be like, wow, the only thing
Speaker 1: I remember from that movie is when the guy hits
Speaker 1: the propeller. We talked about this very briefly in our
Speaker 1: Avatar episode where like when push comes to shove, James
Speaker 1: Cameron knows how to kill someone in an interesting way, Yeah,
Speaker 1: because I didn't because Avatar. I think this is not
Speaker 1: controversial at all, but like it's just like not as
Speaker 1: memorable a movie as Titanic is, But there are a
Speaker 1: number of kills at the peak of Avatar's action that
Speaker 1: are equally like oh my god, what Like people are
Speaker 1: being ripped in a half and you're just like, holy shit, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: when when the moment comes, he is not afraid to
Speaker 1: really let people die, I mean, the guilty and the innocent,
Speaker 1: because it's not like I mean, at least an Avatar,
Speaker 1: it's a little more cathartic because it's like the colonizers,
Speaker 1: so they're asking for it, they're asking to be torn
Speaker 1: in half. Propeller guy, I mean, tell me what he
Speaker 1: did wrong? We don't know, we don't know, we don't
Speaker 1: know who that is. Can you imagine how horrific? I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't think this would be the stronger creative choice,
Speaker 1: but like in a world where we had met like
Speaker 1: there had been some plant in payoff with Propeller guy,
Speaker 1: like we had met him before. Oh my god, I
Speaker 1: would be devastated. Yeah, yeah, I know. I know. Fabrizio's
Speaker 1: girlfriend she's nuked. Yeah, you know, she got on the
Speaker 1: wrong side of the rails. Sorry, babe, it's so sad.
Speaker 1: It's sad. M okay. Then the ship breaks in half
Speaker 1: and the back half of the ship sinks and Rose
Speaker 1: and Jack end up in the water among hundreds of
Speaker 1: other people. They swim over to a door and they
Speaker 1: both try to get on it. It flips over because
Speaker 1: it's not about size, it's about BWENI as we've said,
Speaker 1: so just Rose ends up on the door. Jack is
Speaker 1: in the freezing water. They are waiting for the lifeboats
Speaker 1: to come back and save the people in the water.
Speaker 1: Rose is like, I'm really cold and I can't feel
Speaker 1: my body and I feel like I might die. And
Speaker 1: Jack is like, You're not going to die here. You're
Speaker 1: going to live a full life. Promise me you'll do that,
Speaker 1: and never let go of that promise, almost like that's
Speaker 1: setting it up for a scene that's going to happen
Speaker 1: shortly where she does that and then she dies and
Speaker 1: I don't. But you know it's hard to say, I
Speaker 1: do have one. Quickly, I want to add in that
Speaker 1: I forgot I I just am toggling between my commentary notes.
Speaker 1: Something I thought was interesting about when the ship is
Speaker 1: going down, like all those poop deck shots. Yeah, when
Speaker 1: the ship is like submerging for the final time. Again,
Speaker 1: just like there's so many like early I don't know,
Speaker 1: like again, he's a batman, but but but boy did
Speaker 1: he get results. You know, like there are all of
Speaker 1: these like CG things that are now so normal in
Speaker 1: movies that like James Cameron was like innovative on the
Speaker 1: set of Titanic where instead of because like CG was
Speaker 1: still very much whatever in process, Like there were all
Speaker 1: of these shots when the boat was straight up and
Speaker 1: sinking the last section of it that they would call
Speaker 1: toilet paper shots because they would have the human extras
Speaker 1: and like you know, Jack and Rosen and the chef
Speaker 1: and the girlfriend and all this stuff for actors who
Speaker 1: would have to fall and get hurt in CG that
Speaker 1: you couldn't do in a way that was safe for
Speaker 1: a stunt actor. They would have an actor sometimes actually
Speaker 1: Kate winslet drop a roll of toilet paper from their mark,
Speaker 1: so that the post production editor could go back and
Speaker 1: cg in the green screen shot of someone falling and
Speaker 1: like hitting something or whatever it was. And so there
Speaker 1: were all these things called toilet paper shots, and you
Speaker 1: could see some of them on line of just like
Speaker 1: famous actors dropping a roll of toilet paper. It's kind
Speaker 1: of fun. That's fun. I like it. Okay. So Jack
Speaker 1: is like, never let go of that promise, and she says,
Speaker 1: I'll never let go. Jack. Some time passes, a lifeboat
Speaker 1: finally shows up with sexy crew member number twelve or whatever,
Speaker 1: played by Ione Griffith as fifth Officer Harold Lowe. Yes,
Speaker 1: he's the person I have a story about. So like, oh,
Speaker 1: Kathy Bates in the commentary, because he goes on to
Speaker 1: have a bit of a career, which even James Cameron
Speaker 1: says in his commentary, he's like, this guy's he's he's
Speaker 1: a fantastic before. I mean, I think that that's about it,
Speaker 1: but you know he's done a thing or two, right,
Speaker 1: And Kathy Bates said, like in the day, like where
Speaker 1: they're in the fucking tank in Burbank, but that day
Speaker 1: specifically where it's a bunch of extras literally lying motionless,
Speaker 1: pretending to be dead, and that was like a really
Speaker 1: emotional day, and that she was so moved by his
Speaker 1: performance that she was like sobbing on set in a
Speaker 1: way that was like she wasn't supposed to be and
Speaker 1: it isn't in the movie, but like she just had
Speaker 1: a really emotionally difficult time and she said that like
Speaker 1: she she just she was like, I gotta hand it
Speaker 1: to him. I cried myself to sleep that night when
Speaker 1: he's like doing thee can never be my Hammie, And
Speaker 1: you're just like, oh, they freaking can't except for rows
Speaker 1: of course, and she's not real and those pop and
Speaker 1: the two poperanians fucking dog paddling for their Oh my god,
Speaker 1: I feel like if honestly I mean and I say
Speaker 1: that because he's in my lap right now. But like
Speaker 1: if we was on the Titanic, I would die and
Speaker 1: he would live. You would put him on the door
Speaker 1: and you would sacrifice yourself. No, I would get on
Speaker 1: the door and leave him for dead and I would
Speaker 1: still die and he would still live. He's just very strong.
Speaker 1: I would be like, listen, catch survivor. I'd expected ze wise,
Speaker 1: you gotta go and he'd be like, I understand, but
Speaker 1: then I would I would just not be strong enough.
Speaker 1: I would die and he would be like, all right,
Speaker 1: let me hop up on this. Also, if it was
Speaker 1: me and Flee on the door, I feel like the
Speaker 1: boy and c would you know, Flee weighs nine pounds,
Speaker 1: he'd be fine. That's true. That's so true. Yeah, um, okay,
Speaker 1: so you and Grifolts, you and McGregor all over again.
Speaker 1: I don't I mean, I bullshitted my way through it,
Speaker 1: and you did not call me out, which I thought
Speaker 1: was really kind of you. I said my aunt will
Speaker 1: be something kind of close to that. I feel like
Speaker 1: people have tried to tell us what it is before
Speaker 1: it because it's a Welsh name spelled yes I O
Speaker 1: A N. That's his first name, g r u f
Speaker 1: f u d D. I simply don't know how it's
Speaker 1: pronounced anyway. He's just a lot of vowels. It's hard
Speaker 1: to know. Yeah. But he shows up on a lifeboat
Speaker 1: and Rose is like, Jack, there's a boat, but Jack
Speaker 1: is dead. Oops, and she calls out. She says that
Speaker 1: she goes oops, and then she's like, I'll never like, oh,
Speaker 1: my promise, And then she tries to call out and
Speaker 1: get mister Lifeboat's attention. Then she swims over and blows
Speaker 1: on a whistle and she is saved. Cut back to
Speaker 1: the kell Dish where Old Rose and Broc love it
Speaker 1: and all those people. Brock is having a feeling for
Speaker 1: the first time in his life. He's having a hard
Speaker 1: time yeah, and Rose says, I never spoke about Jack
Speaker 1: before this, because a woman's heart is a deep ocean
Speaker 1: of secrets, and Brok is like, damn, I never really
Speaker 1: appreciated Titanic before. I never let it in, but now
Speaker 1: I get it. Then we see Rose on the deck
Speaker 1: of the Kellydish. She has the heart of the ocean
Speaker 1: in her hand. We have talked through previously the alternate
Speaker 1: ending to this movie, which sucks. We will not rehash
Speaker 1: it here. There's a long garbagee Susie Amos, Bill Paxton like,
Speaker 1: what what hey, Old Rose, please restate the moral of
Speaker 1: the movie. Version that absolutely sucks. But this version, I
Speaker 1: just feel like this just happens to be the one
Speaker 1: movie where every right choice was made because the ending
Speaker 1: to this movie is perfect. I do hate that she
Speaker 1: throws the necklace in the water, but I mean, ideally
Speaker 1: would she, you know, like sell it and then redistribute
Speaker 1: the funds. Yes, symbolically for a person who never existed
Speaker 1: with a mcguffin, it doesn't bother me and it makes
Speaker 1: me cry. Yeah, because she was like, ultimately this one,
Speaker 1: because it was like whatever, ultimately this was meaningless. It
Speaker 1: was the love that mattered. And now having done this,
Speaker 1: I can die or I can fall asleep and have
Speaker 1: a dream about it. Okay. So Rose has the heart
Speaker 1: of the ocean. Boring because of that scene earlier where
Speaker 1: Cal is like, I put the diamond in the coat,
Speaker 1: and I put the coat on her. Put the coat
Speaker 1: on her. So Rose, and then let's not forget that
Speaker 1: the depression hit him pretty hard and he put a
Speaker 1: pistol in his mouth this year or so she read, yeah,
Speaker 1: or so she read. We don't know, we don't know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he could be like a Pomeranian. He could still be.
Speaker 1: So Rose has the heart of the ocean, and she's
Speaker 1: had it this whole time, and she throws it in
Speaker 1: the water and she goes, ah, God, I'm annoyed. Then no,
Speaker 1: she's like con Then we see Rose in bed with
Speaker 1: all of her pictures of the full life that she lived,
Speaker 1: because she never let go of her promise to Jack.
Speaker 1: All of these photos were photoshopped except for Kate Winslet
Speaker 1: on the horse because Kate and which James Cameron pointed
Speaker 1: out because he's like and Kate is afraid of horses. Oh,
Speaker 1: I know, my friend. And then what happens? Okay. So
Speaker 1: some people will interpret this as Rose dying and going
Speaker 1: to heaven. Other really cool and really smart people will
Speaker 1: interpret this as Rose falling asleep and having a dream.
Speaker 1: But what we saw orch just people who haven't really
Speaker 1: grappled with their mortality. I have something to I have
Speaker 1: something to share her because James Cameron has a bonanza
Speaker 1: with this thing. He makes it. He has a little
Speaker 1: bit of fun, okay with this, so he says, quote
Speaker 1: the big ambiguity here is is she alive and dreaming
Speaker 1: or is she dead and on her way to Titanic heaven? Here?
Speaker 1: And of course I'll never tell. I mean, I know
Speaker 1: what was intended at the time, but that doesn't mean
Speaker 1: I have to go blurting it out. I know you
Speaker 1: bought this expensive special edition DVD, which I did, and
Speaker 1: you were hoping for the answer. But the answer is
Speaker 1: that has to be something that you supply personally and
Speaker 1: as an individual. Wow, isn't that awesome? And so it
Speaker 1: says something about people based on their interpretation of what happens.
Speaker 1: It says that everyone. It says that he, I think
Speaker 1: what in my opinion, like genuinely in my opinion. It
Speaker 1: says that whatever creative choice he made didn't read as
Speaker 1: strongly as he thought it would. And then he's like,
Speaker 1: um so that's kind of art right, like, which is
Speaker 1: what I would do in the same situation where I'm like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I made an unclear choice. Um that was on purpose,
Speaker 1: and I think it's kind of iconic that And I
Speaker 1: hope he never tells us. And I hope that we
Speaker 1: both think that we're right until we either fall asleep
Speaker 1: or die, which means I'm right, we will die one day.
Speaker 1: We will not just keep falling asleep. But but I
Speaker 1: liked I was. I was free entically transcribing that because
Speaker 1: I was so excited to be like he said something
Speaker 1: and it was not it was. I love that he
Speaker 1: refuses to be clearer. It's it's great. Um So the
Speaker 1: dream or heaven, based on your interpretation is And James
Speaker 1: Cameron says this scene I cry at my own movie,
Speaker 1: which is so which is I was like, I cry
Speaker 1: at your own movie. So good for you, Good for you.
Speaker 1: So we see young Rose. She's like entering the big
Speaker 1: like grand staircase area of Titanic. Jack is waiting for
Speaker 1: her at the top of the staircase just like you said,
Speaker 1: they're surrounded by everyone who was on the ship. Rose
Speaker 1: walks up the staircase and she and Jack kiss the end. Yay,
Speaker 1: I love Caitlin, great job, I loved. My last fun
Speaker 1: fact to share is that James Cameron's well, actually, no,
Speaker 1: I have two more fun I'm okay, okay. My last
Speaker 1: James Cameron fun fact is that they shot that last
Speaker 1: The first of all, everyone who shot the staircase dream
Speaker 1: slash death sequence did not think it would be included
Speaker 1: in the final cut. It was something that Kate Winslet
Speaker 1: and Leonardo DiCaprio thought was far too corny to make
Speaker 1: the final cut. But then it did. But they also
Speaker 1: shot it with them applauding and without them applauding, and
Speaker 1: we're back and forth pretty close. But they chose applauding,
Speaker 1: and I think that was the right choice. The final
Speaker 1: thing is the last, the true last sequence in this
Speaker 1: movie is the celine dion my heart will go on sequence.
Speaker 1: I did not know the story attached to this, and
Speaker 1: I love it, so tell me. I'm going to share
Speaker 1: it and then we can explode, we can sink into
Speaker 1: the depths of the Atlantic Ocean. I'm ready. So I
Speaker 1: guess that there was like a shared opinion of James
Speaker 1: Cameron and James Horner that they did not like when
Speaker 1: movies ended with a song. They both thought it was
Speaker 1: goofy and corny and they didn't like it. But when
Speaker 1: James Horner was thinking about ways to end the movie,
Speaker 1: he started thinking about a song and so he like
Speaker 1: privately started working on something he privately not telling James Cameron,
Speaker 1: hired a lyricist put together this song. He went to Vegas,
Speaker 1: he saw Selene and he was like, I'm gonna hit
Speaker 1: her up. I have enough, like and they secretly recorded
Speaker 1: this song unbeknownst to James Cameron in New York, and
Speaker 1: James Horner was like, hey, like it's pretty like unlikely
Speaker 1: that this will be included in the movie, but like
Speaker 1: here's your money, and like thanks for doing this. Like
Speaker 1: then after it was recorded, James Horner, who sounded like
Speaker 1: a very like quiet man who like chose his moments
Speaker 1: kind of person. So once he has the Song of
Speaker 1: the Century like V recording, he sits on it for
Speaker 1: six weeks, waiting for James Cameron to be in the
Speaker 1: right mood to be receptive to the idea of a
Speaker 1: song ending the movie. Yeah, And then six weeks later
Speaker 1: James Horner's like, so I tried something out and like,
Speaker 1: just let me know what you think. He plays a
Speaker 1: song and then James Cameron's like, is this Selene Dion
Speaker 1: And James Horner's like, yeah, Selene Deon. I just kind
Speaker 1: of threw it together over the course of several months,
Speaker 1: and James Cameron to his again, I feel like when
Speaker 1: the idea is really good, he will acknowledge it. And
Speaker 1: he was like, let me just think about this, and
Speaker 1: then he brought the song to his I guess at
Speaker 1: that time teenage daughter and was like, what do you
Speaker 1: think And his teenage daughter was like, it's the Song
Speaker 1: of the Century, you fool. And that's how the song
Speaker 1: got it into the movie. Wow, isn't that wild? Get
Speaker 1: like there were so many everything perfect happened with Titanic.
Speaker 1: It's the best movie ever, moviemaking is magical and horrible
Speaker 1: and yes, two things can be true. That's our seventh
Speaker 1: Titanic episode. Everyone, you came to this place. You came
Speaker 1: to this place for multiple Titanic episodes, most of them
Speaker 1: are on the Matreon. So if you want to hear more, yes,
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Speaker 1: that'll do it for this year. But you better believe
Speaker 1: your ass. Oh my god, we are twenty four. Oh,
Speaker 1: you better believe your ass. And and we yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean next year, I mean next year, at very least
Speaker 1: we will talk about a movie we watched the full
Speaker 1: year ago, Titanic sixty six six. Yeah, and that's a
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Speaker 1: never let go, will you, Jamie. I will never let
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