WEBVTT - Titanic: VHS Tape 2 0:00:00.920 --> 0:00:03.920 On the Bedel cast, the questions asked if movies have 0:00:04.080 --> 0:00:07.920 women in them, are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands, 0:00:08.000 --> 0:00:12.399 or do they have individualism? The patriarchy? Zef and best 0:00:12.800 --> 0:00:17.360 start changing it with the Bechdel cast. Oh, I was 0:00:17.400 --> 0:00:21.840 gonna try to quote Titanic, but but you couldn't, Like, 0:00:21.920 --> 0:00:25.239 I just couldn't choose. I just couldn't choose which I 0:00:25.320 --> 0:00:28.760 was like, Wait, what's going on? I was gonna say, like, oh, 0:00:28.800 --> 0:00:31.280 I'm King of the World. But that's like, honestly, maybe 0:00:31.280 --> 0:00:36.560 the worst quote from the movie whoa. I mean, I 0:00:36.600 --> 0:00:42.360 can't say I agree with that. Okay, that seems sick 0:00:42.400 --> 0:00:44.120 and right. I think the worst quote from the movie 0:00:44.159 --> 0:00:48.040 would be, oh, something that you don't even remember, like 0:00:48.120 --> 0:00:52.199 something you don't Oh, here it is, gotcha? Who oh 0:00:52.400 --> 0:00:56.600 when exactly? Not memorable? Not memorable? No, but I know 0:00:56.640 --> 0:00:58.680 what you're talking about. It's when the guys were looking 0:00:58.680 --> 0:01:01.480 for Jack and Rose in the cargo hold and they 0:01:01.480 --> 0:01:03.560 open the door and they're like they think they're going 0:01:03.600 --> 0:01:07.119 to see them like mid coitus. Yes, oh okay, So, 0:01:07.200 --> 0:01:10.440 first of all, welcome to the vessel cast Um. Yes, hello, 0:01:10.480 --> 0:01:13.320 my name's Jamie Loftus. My name is Caitlin Durante and 0:01:13.480 --> 0:01:16.800 this is our Normally it's our podcast where we give 0:01:16.840 --> 0:01:20.080 in intersectional feminist analysis of your favorite movies. This week, 0:01:20.360 --> 0:01:22.280 we are, for the second week in the row, once 0:01:22.280 --> 0:01:25.479 again covering Titanic for I believe the seventh time. So 0:01:25.520 --> 0:01:28.039 it is the most wonderful time of the year. And 0:01:28.760 --> 0:01:31.520 as we briefed you on in last week's episode, we 0:01:31.560 --> 0:01:34.240 are doing a two parter for this is a way 0:01:34.319 --> 0:01:37.679 to both say that first the episode was unexpectedly so 0:01:37.720 --> 0:01:39.400 long because we will never run out of things to 0:01:39.440 --> 0:01:43.320 say about this, and to to just sort of pay 0:01:43.360 --> 0:01:49.240 a homage to the two VHS Titanic collection. So this 0:01:49.280 --> 0:01:52.160 is VHS two, Yes, but I feel like we should update. 0:01:52.480 --> 0:01:56.560 Do we have Titanic news since last semis we record 0:01:56.680 --> 0:02:02.920 yea an episode. I had my wedding so to speak, 0:02:02.960 --> 0:02:06.520 which is I invited all my friends to an AMC 0:02:06.800 --> 0:02:13.120 in Burbank, California to watch Titanics like any good wedding, Zach, 0:02:13.320 --> 0:02:17.359 thank you, and a lot of people came and we 0:02:17.400 --> 0:02:20.320 had the best time. There was cheering, it was beautiful. 0:02:20.320 --> 0:02:23.400 A friend of the cast, Sara June, booed the iceberg 0:02:23.400 --> 0:02:26.480 when it came on screen and we all loved it. 0:02:26.480 --> 0:02:31.040 It was an extremely titanic screening that it was, is 0:02:31.520 --> 0:02:34.320 how I felt about it. And yes, Caitlin, thank you 0:02:34.480 --> 0:02:37.680 for coordinating it. I will say of Titanic three D, 0:02:38.400 --> 0:02:40.880 it doesn't need to be three D there, thank you. 0:02:40.919 --> 0:02:42.960 There wasn't a lot of three D. I wanted to 0:02:43.000 --> 0:02:49.080 see every pore on Bruce's May's face. Wow, I just didn't. Yeah, 0:02:49.160 --> 0:02:51.640 I know, well that's a me thing. Sure, that's because 0:02:51.680 --> 0:02:55.760 I'm a little perfect. I don't love three D movies. 0:02:55.800 --> 0:03:00.160 In fact, I avoid them, and I was worried that 0:03:00.280 --> 0:03:03.240 it was going to be like headache inducing. But the 0:03:03.280 --> 0:03:05.919 three D was like kind of underwhelming, which I actually 0:03:06.200 --> 0:03:08.800 liked because I was like, oh, I'm not being given 0:03:08.840 --> 0:03:11.040 a headache. I would but but you wouldn't have liked 0:03:11.040 --> 0:03:13.240 it if you had paid a premium and didn't have 0:03:13.280 --> 0:03:16.120 an AMC Stubbs pass. Sure that's what I was thinking 0:03:16.160 --> 0:03:18.600 of the non stubs heads. If I were a non 0:03:18.600 --> 0:03:21.560 stubs head, which of course I'm not, I would be 0:03:21.680 --> 0:03:24.400 fucking pissed if I paid twenty six dollars to not 0:03:24.480 --> 0:03:27.280 even be hit in the face with an iceberg, which 0:03:27.320 --> 0:03:30.360 I think is like low key kind of morbid and disrespectable. 0:03:30.400 --> 0:03:34.800 But anyways, we want we didn't do that, yes, And 0:03:35.000 --> 0:03:40.320 speaking of stubs, I mean we would be remiss not 0:03:40.440 --> 0:03:44.280 to acknowledge that we come to this place for magic, 0:03:44.360 --> 0:03:47.480 we come to this place to laugh, to cry, to care, etc. 0:03:48.040 --> 0:03:51.200 And also AMC can eat shit recently, But I mean, 0:03:51.200 --> 0:03:54.040 obviously we're not based on what I just said, We're 0:03:54.040 --> 0:03:56.400 obviously not sponsored by them. They can eat it. Did 0:03:56.400 --> 0:03:59.800 you see how they are trying to introduce a t 0:04:00.080 --> 0:04:04.320 heard yes movie seed program that is the most elitest 0:04:04.360 --> 0:04:07.000 garbage peepie poopoo thing I've ever seen in my life. 0:04:07.000 --> 0:04:11.440 Like movies are supposed to be in equal space for 0:04:11.640 --> 0:04:16.640 the pay, you know, twelve dollars times for three these days, 0:04:16.680 --> 0:04:18.400 I don't know. I'm a step hit, so I don't know. 0:04:19.520 --> 0:04:24.039 And then you know, I just think that's so fucking ridiculous, infuriated, 0:04:24.160 --> 0:04:27.120 kisses me off. We're not sponsored by them, so we're 0:04:27.160 --> 0:04:29.719 saying that, Yeah, anyone who doesn't sponsor us, we have 0:04:29.800 --> 0:04:33.719 to find an active insult forth. Anyways, it rocked, We laughed, 0:04:33.800 --> 0:04:37.120 we cried, we cared, Sara boot in the iceberg. It 0:04:37.240 --> 0:04:40.080 was it was really special. It was wonderful. I had 0:04:40.080 --> 0:04:43.160 the best time. Thank you for coming with me, Jamie, Oh, 0:04:43.320 --> 0:04:46.960 I mean, and thanks to all who attended indeed Titanic. 0:04:47.080 --> 0:04:49.360 And that resulted in a little bit of James Cameron 0:04:49.440 --> 0:04:54.960 history where Titanic has now eclipsed Avatar. Avatar two overtook 0:04:55.000 --> 0:04:58.800 Titanic as a higher grossing movie, but then when Titanic rereleased, 0:04:58.880 --> 0:05:03.520 Titanic is back up on top overtook Avatar two. Okay, now, 0:05:03.680 --> 0:05:06.000 who knows what will happen. I just James Cameron's kind 0:05:06.000 --> 0:05:08.159 of like the Joey Chestnut of movie grosses, like he's 0:05:08.160 --> 0:05:12.279 really mostly in competition with himself, and you're just like, well, yes, 0:05:12.720 --> 0:05:16.840 good for that white guy. In any case, shall we 0:05:16.880 --> 0:05:20.400 get to the episode? Yes, So, without much further ado, 0:05:21.040 --> 0:05:24.400 here is VHS tape number two, And by that we 0:05:24.480 --> 0:05:27.839 mean the rest of the episode that we didn't have 0:05:28.120 --> 0:05:32.640 time to include last week. So it's a recap of 0:05:32.640 --> 0:05:38.400 the movie plus Jamie's fun facts corner. So the recap 0:05:38.400 --> 0:05:48.360 of Titanic that I never have done before. I will 0:05:48.400 --> 0:05:53.760 include a content slash trigger warning for suicide at the 0:05:53.760 --> 0:05:58.320 top of this recap and sinking boat and for a 0:05:58.360 --> 0:06:01.200 sinking boat, yes right, and then I'm gonna pipe in. 0:06:01.279 --> 0:06:03.840 It's kind of hard because I have two long lists 0:06:03.920 --> 0:06:08.040 of notes for the two different three hour commentary tracks. 0:06:08.520 --> 0:06:10.960 I'm gonna do my best, but I'll try to interject 0:06:12.000 --> 0:06:16.839 with useful information and not just having a meltdown. And 0:06:17.000 --> 0:06:19.919 anything that you don't get to during the recap we 0:06:20.000 --> 0:06:24.800 can touch on afterward. We can zip through. Yeah, oh yeah, Okay, 0:06:25.160 --> 0:06:29.800 here we go. The movie begins in present day with 0:06:30.120 --> 0:06:33.440 Brock love It, played by Bill Paxton, who Jim Cameron 0:06:33.480 --> 0:06:37.599 admits is his self insert character. I mean, he says, 0:06:37.760 --> 0:06:42.799 that makes he's like Brock on the phone with his financiers, 0:06:42.839 --> 0:06:45.640 more like me on the phone with paramount. He he 0:06:45.800 --> 0:06:50.360 ha ha. He also says that he edited the intro sequence, 0:06:51.200 --> 0:06:54.279 like with the title and like the waves and stuff. 0:06:54.600 --> 0:06:59.720 He edited that himself. Wow, in the space of twenty 0:06:59.760 --> 0:07:04.400 hours and one bottle of tequila. Whoa, I know he 0:07:04.839 --> 0:07:09.560 drunk edited the opening sequence Love that, Okay, love that 0:07:09.840 --> 0:07:12.720 So Brock love It is in speaking of love It. 0:07:13.320 --> 0:07:18.600 Brock love It is in a submarine searching the wreckage 0:07:18.680 --> 0:07:22.280 of the Titanic because he is trying to find a 0:07:22.360 --> 0:07:27.040 diamond necklace called the Heart of the ocean. He believes 0:07:27.280 --> 0:07:29.600 it went down with the ship when it sunk in 0:07:29.680 --> 0:07:34.960 nineteen twelve. Yes, he finds this safe, he brings it 0:07:35.120 --> 0:07:38.760 to the surface, he opens it, but oops, the diamond 0:07:38.920 --> 0:07:41.480 is not in the safe. I learned a little bit 0:07:41.560 --> 0:07:44.560 about how they shot the underwater sequences, and that was 0:07:44.640 --> 0:07:48.440 really interesting because it was kind of like whatever, a 0:07:48.480 --> 0:07:51.440 combination of crew members sort of telling you exactly what 0:07:51.560 --> 0:07:56.080 shots were actually from the wreckage of Titanic and which 0:07:56.120 --> 0:08:00.480 ones were reproductions that they did match shots for in 0:08:00.760 --> 0:08:06.120 eskindido fun facts that I learned included and I think 0:08:06.160 --> 0:08:07.400 I sort of knew that, but I don't know this, 0:08:07.480 --> 0:08:09.240 but I don't know if like we've ever talked about 0:08:09.280 --> 0:08:12.080 on the show. So like all of those, like the 0:08:12.520 --> 0:08:16.760 underwater cameras, like they're called ROVs, they had to develop 0:08:16.920 --> 0:08:20.040 a version of existing technology that could be used for 0:08:20.080 --> 0:08:24.680 the movies because there's so few of that equipment available 0:08:24.720 --> 0:08:27.440 that they wouldn't lend it to James Cameron for his 0:08:27.560 --> 0:08:31.520 little movie. It reminded me of how like Initia, like 0:08:31.680 --> 0:08:34.960 famous figure skaters wouldn't be stunt people because they're like, yeah, 0:08:35.000 --> 0:08:39.400 it's not worth it. Sorry, movie it's well because It's 0:08:39.400 --> 0:08:41.520 like if you're doing a triple axle in figure skating 0:08:41.559 --> 0:08:43.640 and then you fuck your ankle up, then your career 0:08:43.720 --> 0:08:46.560 is over and all you did was a stunt on itonia, 0:08:47.160 --> 0:08:49.440 you know. I think that that's how they're like, these 0:08:49.480 --> 0:08:52.679 cameras are so valuable that like, if you break it 0:08:53.160 --> 0:08:56.800 making a movie, we will kill you. Like so they 0:08:56.840 --> 0:09:02.160 had to like develop technology for the movie specifically, and 0:09:02.200 --> 0:09:07.280 then also that piano that they see. James Cameron sometimes 0:09:07.320 --> 0:09:09.440 he claims to have done things where I'm just like, 0:09:10.040 --> 0:09:14.520 I don't believe you. But anyways, he that piano, He's like, 0:09:14.880 --> 0:09:17.640 I made that myself. I took a drill to it 0:09:17.679 --> 0:09:19.760 and it took all night and I was like, what 0:09:19.840 --> 0:09:23.080 are you talking about? But he started in the art 0:09:23.120 --> 0:09:25.920 department and he claims to just really have like raw 0:09:26.040 --> 0:09:28.120 dog that piano and made it look old and threw 0:09:28.160 --> 0:09:33.800 an underwater Wow. Okay, all right, who knows? Well, so 0:09:34.360 --> 0:09:37.880 Brock has opened the safe. The diamond is not there, 0:09:38.080 --> 0:09:41.680 But what is there is a nude drawing of a 0:09:41.720 --> 0:09:45.560 woman who is wearing the diamond necklace in the drawing, 0:09:45.840 --> 0:09:48.880 So we know that James Cameron drew that. What I'd 0:09:48.920 --> 0:09:53.319 never heard before this was that he drew it semi 0:09:53.559 --> 0:09:58.080 from life, like it wasn't just like and not from 0:09:58.240 --> 0:10:01.160 the scene in the movie. The drawing was like done 0:10:01.880 --> 0:10:06.920 or like storyboarded before Kate Winslet, ever, you know, posed 0:10:06.960 --> 0:10:10.480 for it in the movie. Sure, but yeah, he said that, 0:10:10.559 --> 0:10:14.120 like he had Kate Winslett pose for him and a 0:10:14.160 --> 0:10:16.640 few artists from a few different angles. But she was 0:10:16.679 --> 0:10:19.000 wearing she was not nude. She was wearing a bikini. 0:10:19.160 --> 0:10:22.520 And then he sounded really creepy, dad, and he was like, 0:10:22.960 --> 0:10:25.760 I had to use my imagination to draw her nude. 0:10:26.120 --> 0:10:28.280 We didn't know each other well enough for her to 0:10:28.360 --> 0:10:32.160 pose nude for me, which I'm like, yeah, true, but 0:10:32.280 --> 0:10:35.720 why did you say that? You know? But there's a 0:10:35.760 --> 0:10:37.719 lot of like bizarre I don't know, there's a lot 0:10:37.720 --> 0:10:41.400 of like nineties because the two commentary tracks I listened 0:10:41.440 --> 0:10:45.240 to were recorded for the ten b anniversary DVD, so 0:10:45.280 --> 0:10:48.240 it was recorded sometime in like two thousand and six 0:10:48.440 --> 0:10:50.959 for the two thousand and seven release. But there's all 0:10:51.000 --> 0:10:54.520 sorts of like bizarre nineties sounding like there's a story 0:10:54.559 --> 0:10:57.040 about how like when Kate Winslet like she didn't want 0:10:57.600 --> 0:11:00.360 Leonardo DiCaprio to see her naked for the first time, 0:11:00.400 --> 0:11:04.600 like on the set for that scene. So she, according 0:11:04.640 --> 0:11:10.720 to her, like left her makeup trailer door unlocked and 0:11:10.760 --> 0:11:13.280 like called him in while she was getting full body 0:11:13.360 --> 0:11:15.480 makeup for that scene and like didn't tell him she 0:11:15.520 --> 0:11:19.000 was going to be naked, and like jump scared him 0:11:19.040 --> 0:11:21.440 and then he was like whoa and she's like, ha 0:11:21.559 --> 0:11:24.920 ha ha, It's it's more comfortable this way. We're just 0:11:25.000 --> 0:11:30.240 co workers. And then Leonardo DiCaprio was like cool, and 0:11:30.280 --> 0:11:32.280 I guess everyone was fine with it, but I was like, 0:11:33.080 --> 0:11:37.000 this is a weird you guys are most stories about 0:11:37.080 --> 0:11:41.920 Kate Winslett and Leonardo DiCaprio are weird. Like she just 0:11:41.960 --> 0:11:44.120 says it like it's a I mean, whenever they had 0:11:44.160 --> 0:11:47.600 a jokey relationships. They're obviously still friends, but she was like, 0:11:47.920 --> 0:11:50.000 ha ha ha. This is where Leo would fart in 0:11:50.040 --> 0:11:53.680 his jacket and stick into my face. I was like, yucky, 0:11:54.559 --> 0:11:57.280 but she's like, we'd love to have a laugh. I'm like, wow, 0:11:58.000 --> 0:12:00.360 you know they really found each other because I would 0:12:00.400 --> 0:12:06.520 hate that. What a bunch of goofs. I guess. Okay, 0:12:06.520 --> 0:12:10.520 So this exploring of the wreckage of Titanic, this whole 0:12:10.520 --> 0:12:13.880 thing is like being televised. Yes, And an old woman 0:12:14.200 --> 0:12:18.680 sees the drawing that brock loove It has uncovered from 0:12:18.720 --> 0:12:22.200 the safe. She sees it on TV and she says, well, 0:12:22.200 --> 0:12:28.040 I'll be goddamned. She then we're trying. Yeah. She then 0:12:28.160 --> 0:12:31.600 calls brock loove It and says the woman in the 0:12:31.640 --> 0:12:35.480 picture is me, and yeah, I know all about the 0:12:35.520 --> 0:12:38.680 diamond you're looking for. Okay, I definitely didn't know this. 0:12:38.800 --> 0:12:41.040 Let me know if you do this. So, when James 0:12:41.080 --> 0:12:46.679 Cameron was writing this iconically okay script, he was looking for, 0:12:47.000 --> 0:12:49.960 like to build out Old Rose. He was looking for 0:12:50.080 --> 0:12:54.360 like a oh god, I never say this word right, 0:12:54.400 --> 0:12:58.480 like sent centenarian, someone who was around a hundred who 0:12:58.600 --> 0:13:01.280 he like wanted to find a really interesting older woman 0:13:01.320 --> 0:13:05.240 who had lived a wild life to sort of like 0:13:05.360 --> 0:13:07.920 build Old Rose around or do just like have in mind. 0:13:08.320 --> 0:13:16.640 And Bill Paxton's his wife Louise Paxton, suggested this artist 0:13:16.760 --> 0:13:19.960 she knew of who lived in oh High, who was 0:13:20.000 --> 0:13:22.600 like in her night. I think she was like one 0:13:22.679 --> 0:13:25.800 hundred and one when the movie came out, and she 0:13:25.880 --> 0:13:28.160 was like, oh, you should check out this artist, Beatrice Wood. 0:13:28.280 --> 0:13:30.800 She sounds exactly like the kind of person you're looking for. 0:13:31.040 --> 0:13:35.080 And she gave James Cameron a copy of Beatrice Wood's autobiography, 0:13:35.080 --> 0:13:39.520 which is called I Shocked Myself, and James Cameron met 0:13:39.559 --> 0:13:42.800 with her before writing a character of Old Rose. Gotta 0:13:42.800 --> 0:13:44.760 feel for who she was. A lot of the like 0:13:45.200 --> 0:13:49.480 lines that Old Rose has were based on her cadence 0:13:49.559 --> 0:13:53.679 and jokeyness. The fact that Rose does pottery is based 0:13:53.720 --> 0:13:56.040 on Beatrice Wood because that was what Beatrice Wood was 0:13:56.080 --> 0:13:59.920 most famous for in her later career, And Gloria Stewart 0:14:00.040 --> 0:14:03.400 met with her too, Like she's just like this fascinating 0:14:03.440 --> 0:14:07.439 person and if you're into art history at all, listeners 0:14:07.480 --> 0:14:10.680 she was like she was like a really important artist 0:14:10.679 --> 0:14:13.520 who had never heard of but she like was with 0:14:13.679 --> 0:14:18.079 like Marcel Duchamp, like championing his work at like the 0:14:18.200 --> 0:14:22.840 very very beginning of his work. Like she's considered like 0:14:23.080 --> 0:14:27.480 the mother of data art, but is obviously not brought 0:14:27.520 --> 0:14:29.440 up half as much as Duchamp was. But she was 0:14:29.440 --> 0:14:32.320 a huge advocate and like she worked alongside him. She 0:14:32.400 --> 0:14:35.480 did a lot of drawings and then later did like 0:14:35.680 --> 0:14:38.600 sculpture and then even later in her career to pottery. 0:14:39.160 --> 0:14:44.560 She was like the subject of this famous data art 0:14:44.920 --> 0:14:49.200 love triangle with Duchamp and this other artist I don't know. 0:14:49.280 --> 0:14:53.480 She was really really fascinating and I was excited to 0:14:53.680 --> 0:14:56.160 even get to Like, I ordered a copy of her 0:14:56.400 --> 0:15:01.960 autobiography because she just sounds really free king cool, and 0:15:02.120 --> 0:15:05.360 I love that Louise Paxton was the one that was 0:15:05.400 --> 0:15:08.080 just like, hey, check this out. And then I think 0:15:08.360 --> 0:15:14.320 most iconically, after Titanic came out, Beatrice Wood awarded the 0:15:14.440 --> 0:15:21.520 fifth Annual Beatrice Wood Film Award to James Cameron Reciprocity. 0:15:21.760 --> 0:15:25.280 But yeah, so okay, last and so, like, Gloria Stewart 0:15:25.360 --> 0:15:28.320 and James Cameron went to Beatrice Wood's one hundred and 0:15:28.360 --> 0:15:31.640 first birthday luncheon when they were getting to know her, 0:15:31.840 --> 0:15:36.680 and I guess that she turned down dessert at the table, 0:15:36.800 --> 0:15:40.360 and everyone's like, why didn't you want dessert, Beatrice? And 0:15:40.440 --> 0:15:48.000 she said, I only like chocolate and young men. So wow, 0:15:48.920 --> 0:15:51.720 I know, shout out Beatrice Wood. I just had like 0:15:51.760 --> 0:15:55.000 a really fun side quest learning about her. She's really cool. 0:15:55.400 --> 0:16:00.760 Hell yeah, yeah, I didn't know. Okay, So brock Lovett 0:16:01.000 --> 0:16:05.440 invites this woman who had called him Rose Calvert, played 0:16:05.440 --> 0:16:10.080 by Gloria Stewart, and he invites her aboard the kel Dish, 0:16:10.240 --> 0:16:13.800 which is the ship they are operating this search of 0:16:13.880 --> 0:16:17.600 the Titanic wreckage from a real ship, so that Rose 0:16:17.720 --> 0:16:21.960 can tell him what she knows about the diamond. And 0:16:22.320 --> 0:16:26.720 she starts to tell her story. She iconically says, it's 0:16:26.760 --> 0:16:30.040 been eighty four years and I can still smell the 0:16:30.080 --> 0:16:34.440 fresh paint. That China had never been used, she had 0:16:34.520 --> 0:16:38.680 never been slept in. Titanic was called the ship of 0:16:38.800 --> 0:16:45.400 dream of and was it really he was? Also another 0:16:45.440 --> 0:16:49.000 fun meeting was Gloria Stewart requested to meet with Kate 0:16:49.080 --> 0:16:52.160 Winslet when they first got cast as Rose, so that 0:16:52.640 --> 0:16:55.880 Gloria Stewart would know how to like whatever, like the 0:16:55.920 --> 0:16:59.320 way that you would, but liked to fix her mannerisms. 0:16:59.360 --> 0:17:01.840 And there's like video footage of that meeting, and it's 0:17:01.920 --> 0:17:06.640 really really sweet, and it's Glorious Stewart showing they're both 0:17:06.640 --> 0:17:09.679 like drinking champagne and their little tipsy, and Glorious Stewart 0:17:09.760 --> 0:17:11.760 is showing because she was like an old Hollywood star, 0:17:11.840 --> 0:17:14.359 She's showing Kate Winslet these pictures of her when she 0:17:14.520 --> 0:17:18.199 was like She's like, I was having sex without every 0:17:18.280 --> 0:17:21.040 Marx brother and none of that is my real hair, 0:17:21.560 --> 0:17:24.240 and Kate Winslet's like, I want to be just like 0:17:24.400 --> 0:17:27.280 you someday is very sweet. Oh that's awesome, you know. 0:17:28.440 --> 0:17:31.960 So as old Rose starts to tell her story, we 0:17:32.040 --> 0:17:36.119 flash back to nineteen twelve. Titanic is about to embark 0:17:36.320 --> 0:17:40.720 on its maiden voyage. People are boarding the ship, including 0:17:41.200 --> 0:17:47.760 Rose played by Kate Winslet, her fiance Cal fiance Cal 0:17:47.840 --> 0:17:53.920 Hockley played by Billy Zane, her mother Ruth. That's Francis Fisher, 0:17:54.800 --> 0:17:59.600 and they are all fabulously wealthy with first class tickets. 0:18:00.080 --> 0:18:05.240 M We cut to Jack Dawson played by Leonardo DiCaprio. 0:18:05.320 --> 0:18:08.680 Of course, he's playing poker with his best friend for Brizzio. 0:18:08.920 --> 0:18:11.560 Oh my gosh, that's Danny Nucci. I have a fund, 0:18:12.119 --> 0:18:15.280 I have two fun Danny Nucci facts hit me. Danny 0:18:15.359 --> 0:18:18.280 Nucci is also in the commentary track, and he's just 0:18:18.480 --> 0:18:22.800 a kick. Things about Danny Nucci include he was able 0:18:22.840 --> 0:18:25.600 to so Danny Nucci lived in Italy for the first 0:18:25.600 --> 0:18:28.840 seven years of his life but did not speak Italian. 0:18:29.560 --> 0:18:31.760 I personally, I think what I've learned in the last 0:18:31.800 --> 0:18:34.760 couple of years is that, like sometimes when Italian accents 0:18:34.800 --> 0:18:38.560 sound fake, they're actually not. Case in point, Lady Gaga 0:18:38.560 --> 0:18:41.879 and House of Gucci. Her accent sounds extremely fake, but 0:18:41.880 --> 0:18:44.560 then if you listen to the person that she's playing, 0:18:45.320 --> 0:18:50.080 it's sometimes they just sound weird. I don't know, but 0:18:50.200 --> 0:18:54.479 like apparently Danny Nucci like fudged a little bit and 0:18:54.520 --> 0:18:57.640 like Little White Lie was like, yeah, I'm Italian, but 0:18:57.720 --> 0:19:01.439 like spoke in an accent at his addition, and was 0:19:01.480 --> 0:19:04.000 able to fool James Cameron and the producers, and then 0:19:04.200 --> 0:19:07.199 when he got the part, he was like, I'm not 0:19:07.240 --> 0:19:10.920 actually Italian, and they're like, well, can you speak Italian? 0:19:10.960 --> 0:19:13.080 And then he had to like take classes really abruptly 0:19:13.160 --> 0:19:15.840 so he could do the because he occasionally speaks at 0:19:15.840 --> 0:19:20.919 Italian in the movie. Also another evil James Cameron anecdote, 0:19:21.000 --> 0:19:25.119 Danny Nucci had his first kid while Titanic was in 0:19:25.160 --> 0:19:27.440 production and he was given one and a half days 0:19:27.440 --> 0:19:36.160 off yikes, And finally iconic Danny Knucci said, there's good 0:19:36.200 --> 0:19:39.000 anecdotes about the two bands that appear in this movie. 0:19:39.160 --> 0:19:43.480 The Irish band below decks and then the band that 0:19:43.520 --> 0:19:45.920 plays to the end on the top deck, and they're 0:19:45.960 --> 0:19:49.960 like a Swiss band, but apparently like Danny Nucci and 0:19:50.119 --> 0:19:54.600 the Irish Band got along famously, and Danny Knucci would 0:19:54.640 --> 0:19:58.040 bring out his guitar and they would play Oasis together 0:19:58.280 --> 0:20:04.680 like between takes. Okay, it's great love it yeah, oh okay. 0:20:04.760 --> 0:20:08.720 So Jack and Fabrizio are playing poker against these two 0:20:08.800 --> 0:20:13.320 Swedish guys who have bet their third class tickets too Titanic, 0:20:14.000 --> 0:20:17.400 and Jack wins the hand of poker because he's got 0:20:17.440 --> 0:20:22.520 a full house boys whoa, and so he wins the tickets. 0:20:22.760 --> 0:20:27.320 But Titanic is leaving in five minutes, so Jack and 0:20:27.400 --> 0:20:32.439 Fabrizio make a mad dash and board the Titanic. We 0:20:32.520 --> 0:20:38.399 are also seeing the extravagance of Rose and Cal in 0:20:38.640 --> 0:20:44.360 first class juxtaposed against the bare bones conditions of third class, 0:20:44.480 --> 0:20:47.879 where Jack and Fabrizio are. Yeah, there's a fun little 0:20:47.880 --> 0:20:50.600 acta about like just I don't know, like little things 0:20:50.600 --> 0:20:52.679 that I was like, oh, I wouldn't think about who 0:20:52.720 --> 0:20:55.480 would be doing that, But like James Cameron, because he's 0:20:55.520 --> 0:20:59.800 just like kind of a weird guy, was really like 0:21:00.440 --> 0:21:03.040 there's a scene where it's like Rose has her picassos 0:21:03.040 --> 0:21:05.560 and her day gauze and all this stuff, and like 0:21:05.760 --> 0:21:09.800 James Cameron like spent a bizarre amount of time looking 0:21:09.840 --> 0:21:12.480 for someone to do that, and like ended up finding 0:21:12.480 --> 0:21:15.240 this obscure artist that lived in the middle of Canada 0:21:15.320 --> 0:21:17.240 and like hired her to do It's like all the 0:21:17.280 --> 0:21:22.280 same artists who did all of those paintings. Interesting. Also, 0:21:22.320 --> 0:21:26.719 the dog Old Rose has the dog of the little Pomeranian, Yeah, 0:21:26.720 --> 0:21:30.080 which I guess is a nod to there were three 0:21:30.119 --> 0:21:33.800 dogs that survived the Titanic and the two of them 0:21:33.880 --> 0:21:39.360 were Pomeranians and one was a Pekinese. And no one 0:21:39.359 --> 0:21:41.600 ever talks about the Titanic dogs. It might be the 0:21:42.000 --> 0:21:46.760 only angle from which that story has not been exploited. Wow, 0:21:46.840 --> 0:21:49.600 Titanic puppies. I guess I've got a screenplay of write 0:21:49.880 --> 0:21:52.280 who would be the Titanic puppies. It would be like 0:21:53.119 --> 0:21:59.080 Anna Taylor, Joy, Kevin Hard, and Dave Batista are the 0:21:59.119 --> 0:22:03.800 Titanic puppies. Wow, food for thought. Okay, I'm not mad 0:22:03.840 --> 0:22:09.520 about it, yep. Oh okay. So we see first class passengers, 0:22:09.680 --> 0:22:13.560 third class passengers. We also see no second class passengers. 0:22:13.560 --> 0:22:18.720 Really not a lot of interests class wow, second class eraser, 0:22:21.280 --> 0:22:25.880 middle class eraser much Hello? Well heyy you're telling me 0:22:26.119 --> 0:22:31.280 folks um. We also see the people in the boiler 0:22:31.359 --> 0:22:34.520 rooms who are like shoveling coal to power the ship. 0:22:34.560 --> 0:22:37.359 We're seeing wild fact about the boiler room. Due to 0:22:37.560 --> 0:22:42.840 something something the budget, they couldn't afford to build the 0:22:42.880 --> 0:22:45.720 boiler room to the full size they wanted to. So 0:22:45.760 --> 0:22:47.480 there's like a lot of things done in the boiler 0:22:47.560 --> 0:22:51.040 room set to make the boilers appear like there's more 0:22:51.080 --> 0:22:52.679 of They use like a mirror effect to make it 0:22:52.680 --> 0:22:54.440 seem like they're twice as many as there actually were. 0:22:54.760 --> 0:22:57.320 But also they couldn't afford to build the boilers as 0:22:57.400 --> 0:23:01.160 big as they should have been, so instead they hired 0:23:01.720 --> 0:23:06.360 shorter actors to play the boiler room guys. So they 0:23:06.359 --> 0:23:08.719 were like, I don't know if this was hyperbole or not, 0:23:08.760 --> 0:23:11.439 but like John Landau was like, yeah, we we just 0:23:11.520 --> 0:23:14.760 had to make the boilers like we were positioning the 0:23:14.800 --> 0:23:17.240 camera as if the actors were like six foot four. 0:23:17.440 --> 0:23:19.679 But I don't think we hired an actor who was 0:23:19.760 --> 0:23:23.400 like above five foot three. We just hired a lot 0:23:23.440 --> 0:23:27.560 of like shorter actors so that the boilers would look bigger. 0:23:27.800 --> 0:23:32.880 That's some like forced perspective, hobbit, Lord of the Ring stuff. 0:23:33.240 --> 0:23:38.520 It's pretty brilliant, but that's boiler room facts with Jamie 0:23:39.160 --> 0:23:43.280 Beautiful love it. So yeah, we're seeing just like the 0:23:43.400 --> 0:23:49.440 scale and the glory that is Titanic. Shortly after this 0:23:49.520 --> 0:23:52.359 is when we see the scene where Jack is like 0:23:52.400 --> 0:23:54.439 looking at dolphins and then he goes, I'm king of 0:23:54.440 --> 0:23:59.639 the world. Woooo And on that note, let's take a 0:23:59.720 --> 0:24:08.399 quick break and then we will come right back. And 0:24:08.640 --> 0:24:13.600 we are back, okay. So then we meet the unsinkable 0:24:13.640 --> 0:24:18.199 Molly Brown played by Kathy Bates. We meet mister Andrews. 0:24:18.640 --> 0:24:21.879 That's Victor Garber, who almost didn't get the part because 0:24:21.880 --> 0:24:25.440 the casting director sent was like, Jim, you gotta check 0:24:25.440 --> 0:24:27.720 out this guy. He looks like Thomas Andrews and he's 0:24:27.800 --> 0:24:30.399 very talented, and then she sent him the wrong video. 0:24:30.600 --> 0:24:32.280 She sent him like a video of some guy in 0:24:32.280 --> 0:24:35.480 a bow tie that looked nothing like Thomas Andrews, and 0:24:35.600 --> 0:24:38.760 James Camramon was like, um, I'm not seeing it, and 0:24:40.359 --> 0:24:42.159 she was like, oh, no, wrong video. And then he 0:24:42.200 --> 0:24:46.199 got the part. Oh, and we're so glad. Mister Andrews, 0:24:46.240 --> 0:24:49.760 of course, is the like engineer who designed the ship. 0:24:50.720 --> 0:24:54.640 We also meet Bruce Ismay played by Jonathan Hyde. He 0:24:55.280 --> 0:24:58.760 was the chairman and managing director of the White Star Line, 0:24:59.280 --> 0:25:03.919 who the two historical characters that both the producers and 0:25:04.000 --> 0:25:06.600 James Cameron seemed to have like repeatedly acknowledged that they 0:25:06.640 --> 0:25:10.280 felt like the only historical figures that they felt that 0:25:10.320 --> 0:25:15.440 they potentially did a disservice too were Bruce Asmey, who 0:25:15.480 --> 0:25:18.600 I think was like a bad guy but not as 0:25:18.960 --> 0:25:21.240 bad as the movie makes him out to be. And 0:25:21.359 --> 0:25:23.600 James Cameron sort of was like, yeah, I took a 0:25:23.600 --> 0:25:26.400