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Speaker 1: the worst quote from the movie whoa. I mean, I

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Speaker 1: and right. I think the worst quote from the movie

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Speaker 1: when exactly? Not memorable? Not memorable? No, but I know

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Speaker 1: what you're talking about. It's when the guys were looking

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Speaker 1: first of all, welcome to the vessel cast Um. Yes, hello,

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Speaker 1: my name's Jamie Loftus. My name is Caitlin Durante and

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Speaker 1: this is our Normally it's our podcast where we give

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Speaker 1: in intersectional feminist analysis of your favorite movies. This week,

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Speaker 1: we are, for the second week in the row, once

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Speaker 1: again covering Titanic for I believe the seventh time. So

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Speaker 1: it is the most wonderful time of the year. And

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Speaker 1: as we briefed you on in last week's episode, we

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Speaker 1: to both say that first the episode was unexpectedly so

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Speaker 1: a homage to the two VHS Titanic collection. So this

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Speaker 1: Do we have Titanic news since last semis we record

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Speaker 1: yea an episode. I had my wedding so to speak,

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Speaker 1: which is I invited all my friends to an AMC

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Speaker 1: see every pore on Bruce's May's face. Wow, I just didn't. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it if you had paid a premium and didn't have

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Speaker 1: an AMC Stubbs pass. Sure that's what I was thinking

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Speaker 1: history where Titanic has now eclipsed Avatar. Avatar two overtook

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Speaker 1: Officer Murdoch was but obviously Tommy Ryan as a fictional character,

424
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:51,280
Speaker 1: so he was not killed by Officer Murdock. He didn't exist,

425
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:54,080
Speaker 1: but there is like no I think that there was

426
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:58,800
Speaker 1: like one speculation that Murdoch may have taken his own life,

427
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:02,160
Speaker 1: but there's like basically no historical precedent for it. So

428
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 1: his family was rather upset that that was the narrative

429
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:10,560
Speaker 1: imposed on him. Yeah, and taking bribes as well, There

430
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 1: was no evidence that he took bribes. Sure, he kind

431
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 1: of he kind of got fucked a little thought sucks,

432
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:22,639
Speaker 1: but yeah, Hollywood loves embellishing facts. Yeah, I mean, it

433
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:26,240
Speaker 1: is a dramatic effect. But as far as like, as

434
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:29,800
Speaker 1: far as historical movies getting things right, this movie gets

435
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 1: more right than it does. So there you got and

436
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 1: we love that. Yeah. Speaking of Tommy, we meet Tommy.

437
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 1: He befriends Jack and Fabricio. He's played by Jason Barry.

438
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:45,920
Speaker 1: I never bothered to look up who played Tommy before this,

439
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:48,160
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, that's a good named Jason Barry.

440
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 1: He was on the commentary track and he just said

441
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 1: like he's actually Irish. Wow, authenticity. Yeah, unlike Danny Nucci

442
00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:03,879
Speaker 1: over here, who's like um bon Jorg Showork like um okay.

443
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:07,200
Speaker 1: So we meet a few of these characters. We're hanging

444
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:10,960
Speaker 1: out with Jack and Fabrizio on deck, and this is

445
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:14,359
Speaker 1: when Jack sees Rose across the deck of the ship

446
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:21,200
Speaker 1: and he's like hubba hubba schwing o wouga speaking of

447
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:25,880
Speaker 1: a wooga. Oh my god. That's a James Cameron story

448
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 1: that has nothing I thought. I thought. I thought Caitlin

449
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 1: had nothing to do with Titanic. I thought that there

450
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:35,240
Speaker 1: is listeners there is. I think I probably referenced it

451
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 1: in our Avatar episode as well. James Cameron, whenever he

452
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 1: goes on a press tour, he says a bunch of

453
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 1: stuff that's awful, and then a bunch of stuff that

454
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 1: is incoherent. One of the things he said on this

455
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 1: press tour that was incoherent, wasn't that At times when

456
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:52,040
Speaker 1: he's on set the set for Avatar, he will not

457
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 1: respond to anyone unless they first use a deafening a

458
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 1: wooga sound. And that's how he knows that it's important

459
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 1: enough that it requires his precious baby boy attention. So

460
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,960
Speaker 1: when I was watching behind the scene featurettes of this movie,

461
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 1: I can't prove that the Aluga thing has been true

462
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:14,480
Speaker 1: for a long time. But in the big the ship

463
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 1: is sunk, everyone's flailing around. That was filmed I think

464
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 1: in like a I think it was Burbank, like it

465
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:23,400
Speaker 1: was somewhere close by, Like it was just a large

466
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 1: tank in Burbank with like four feet of water. And

467
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:28,960
Speaker 1: that's where the I'll Never Let Go scene was filled.

468
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 1: In all that, there is a moment in the featurette

469
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 1: it's not called attention to, but knowing what we know

470
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 1: now about James Cameron and Ouga, James Cameron is not

471
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 1: talking to anybody. Allowed auga sounds scent like is sounded

472
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, he goes, what, I

473
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 1: think the AUGA system has been in place for decades? Wow, Look,

474
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 1: is there any or any of James Cameron's long time

475
00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 1: employees listening to this show? Can we get some confirm

476
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 1: on the AUG I was shocked. I was knocked on

477
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 1: my ass by this. That's fascinating. I'm not surprised though,

478
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 1: it's it sounds like he's been an absolute tyrant for

479
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 1: a very long time. But but the AUGA system specifically,

480
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 1: I'm like, that is some evil genius shit, Like, what

481
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 1: on earth? I think we can date Auga back to

482
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 1: ninety six. I support it. Yeah. So Jack is seeing

483
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:31,520
Speaker 1: Rose and he's like, hubba, hubba, who's that? And his

484
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 1: friends are like, yeah, right, dude, she's rich and you're poor.

485
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 1: It'll never work out. You'll have angels flying out of

486
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:43,480
Speaker 1: your ars, etc. Before you get next to the likes

487
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 1: of her, says Tommy. Um, classic Tommy. There's also there

488
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:52,000
Speaker 1: was like a fight with James Cameron and the costume

489
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:56,600
Speaker 1: designer for that scene where I guess Rose like woman

490
00:30:56,640 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 1: would wear hat if outside that is like a thing

491
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 1: of the time, and so they were kind of getting

492
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 1: into it because James Caramon's like, I don't want a

493
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 1: floppy old hat on Kate Winslet's head, Like it would

494
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 1: look goofy if she was wearing a big floppy hat

495
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 1: when Jack sees her, but he said, well, she's already

496
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 1: rebelled against everything else. And then he took the hat

497
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 1: off Kate Winslet's head and threw it into the ocean

498
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 1: because he's a drama queen. And the costume designer, I think,

499
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 1: was like, okay, that was and then they shot the scene.

500
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 1: I know he's a he's a piece of work. I

501
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:38,160
Speaker 1: don't know what to make of the man. He's really

502
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 1: a piece of work. Into the ocean, like so not necessary,

503
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 1: very dramatic. Yeah, okay. So Jack has spotted Rose, but

504
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 1: they don't meet until that night when Rose attempts suicide

505
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:57,520
Speaker 1: by jumping off the ship. Yeah. She feels trapped by

506
00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 1: her position in life. She feels trapped in this relationship

507
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 1: with cal who is controlling and abusive, so she makes

508
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 1: this attempt but Jack sees her, realizes what's happening, and

509
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 1: he stops her. He saves her. Here's what James Cameron

510
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 1: had to say about this. It made me laugh. When

511
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 1: you think about it, it's sort of a risky proposition

512
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 1: for two people to meet in the middle of an

513
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 1: attempted suicide. But that's long pause, that's what happens here.

514
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 1: I mean, there's no arguing that. Sometimes he talks about

515
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 1: his own movies as if he has no control over

516
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 1: what happens in them, and a way that makes me life.

517
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 1: He's like, I don't know, I guess that's just how

518
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 1: it went. His argument for a long time before he

519
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 1: commissioned this scientific study to figure out if two people

520
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 1: could have actually fit on the door and survived. His

521
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 1: argument before that was Jack dies in the script, so

522
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 1: he to Dot, She's like, yeah, you wrote that in

523
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 1: the script. You literally have control over this, But like,

524
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 1: I guess, whatever you want. There was also kind of

525
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 1: a because I think at the time this movie came out,

526
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 1: It's it's kind of interesting how like Kate Winslet and

527
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 1: James Cameron's relationship seems to have changed over time, because

528
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 1: at the time the movie came out, I kind of forgot,

529
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 1: like it was like heavily rumored that, like Kate Winslett

530
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 1: hated him, never wanted to work with him again because

531
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 1: she got hypothermia on set, Like who would want to

532
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 1: work with him again after that, but then time passed

533
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:37,360
Speaker 1: and now she's an avatar too, like they made she

534
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 1: got into a tank for the man again. So it

535
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 1: seems like the relationship repaired over time. But it's interesting

536
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 1: to hear, like there are a couple of anecdotes that

537
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 1: Kate Winslett shares on this commentary track where you're like

538
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 1: she was not having a good time with the scene

539
00:33:55,880 --> 00:34:00,160
Speaker 1: where she is attempting suicide. She's talking about how how

540
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 1: they had to shoot it so many times because that

541
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 1: was a green screen in a way that you can

542
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:08,400
Speaker 1: tell too, but like whatever was nineteen ninety seven, but

543
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:10,440
Speaker 1: they had to shoot it over and over and over

544
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:13,800
Speaker 1: to the point where she couldn't get herself to cry

545
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 1: as much, Like she just was like spent and couldn't

546
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 1: get herself to cry. And so someone on the production

547
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 1: I have a guess as to who was like just

548
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:26,239
Speaker 1: blow air in her face until she starts crying, and

549
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 1: so they like blew a fan in her face until

550
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 1: her eyes watered and then they're like all right, start again,

551
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 1: and you're like, Jesus Christ is poor and she's like

552
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:39,319
Speaker 1: twenty years old. You know, it's like they're no one

553
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 1: talks back in those situations, and I just was like,

554
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:47,279
Speaker 1: bless her, that's not my Mara veast Town. Tell you what,

555
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 1: I love that lady. She seems so great. Yeah. The

556
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 1: abuse that actors and performers have to endure not cool. Yeah, okay,

557
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 1: So Jack saves Rose saying if you jump, I'm going

558
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:04,760
Speaker 1: to have to jump in there after you because that's absurd.

559
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 1: Then Cal and some of the crew show up to

560
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:12,280
Speaker 1: the scene and they're like, what's going on? And Rose

561
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:14,880
Speaker 1: is like, oh, I was just leaning over and I

562
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:18,319
Speaker 1: slipped and Jack saved me. I was leaning far over

563
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:22,239
Speaker 1: for the propellers, they had a hard time finding Cal.

564
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 1: And then you know what they did? What they saw

565
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 1: The Phantom Is that a movie that Billy Zane. It

566
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:30,239
Speaker 1: is a movie that Billy Zane was in which he

567
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:33,240
Speaker 1: plays a super He plays a superhero called the Phantom.

568
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:36,279
Speaker 1: And then I've never seen it either. I just think

569
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:38,239
Speaker 1: it is a very if you look at like the

570
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 1: visuals and like the trailer for that movie, it's very

571
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:43,920
Speaker 1: weird to be like I would see that movie and

572
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:46,879
Speaker 1: be like, yep, he should be in Titanic because it's

573
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 1: like just a super campy superhero movie. Where he's like,

574
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 1: I am the Phantom, like it's very it's so Billy

575
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:58,279
Speaker 1: Zane is so iconic, like I'll never get over it.

576
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:01,800
Speaker 1: He was, Oh, wait, I need to tell you the

577
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 1: Billy Zane arts and crafts story. He was just really

578
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 1: like people seemed to everyone who talked about Billy Zane

579
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 1: seemed to be like, and he is just what a character.

580
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 1: They're like, Leo and Billy just had us roll. In

581
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 1: twenty five eight, John Lando said Billy isn't artiste, and

582
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:25,880
Speaker 1: then Billy Zane says that he turned so like the

583
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 1: whole as you know, Caitlin and maybe some of our

584
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 1: listeners know, the way that the Titanic set was built

585
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 1: was that they built half of it in Mexico and

586
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 1: then a lot of it is like reverse shots. But

587
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 1: so they had to like move the entire cast and

588
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:44,840
Speaker 1: crew to Mexico for months. So Billy Zane turned his

589
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:49,839
Speaker 1: apartment in Mexico into it sounds sort of like he's

590
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 1: slowly losing his grasp on reality. But you let me know,

591
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 1: he sort of seems to feel that way too. He's like, yeah,

592
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:58,359
Speaker 1: you know, just these long days are in a place

593
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 1: you don't know anybody, and I I just sort of like,

594
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:03,800
Speaker 1: I like to express myself, and I turned my apartment

595
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 1: into an art studio and I started mates. I started

596
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 1: quote doing a lot of abstract expressionism, okay, And he says, like,

597
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 1: I was going very polic at the time. It was rough,

598
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:18,440
Speaker 1: you know, it got a little weird out there, but

599
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 1: arts and crafts pulled me through, which I think is

600
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 1: a beautiful outlook on life. And a lot of people

601
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:26,319
Speaker 1: Billy's I think we sent them to each other at

602
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 1: the time. But Billy Zane took all these amazing candids

603
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:33,720
Speaker 1: on the set of Titanic because he was an artiste,

604
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 1: and he like will occasionally post them to Instagram, and

605
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:41,880
Speaker 1: they're all the best. Oh, Billy King, King of the

606
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:48,240
Speaker 1: world even Okay, So they're like, wow, Jack, you've saved Rose.

607
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 1: You're a hero, and you should come have dinner with

608
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 1: us tomorrow night. And he's like okay. And then later

609
00:37:56,120 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 1: that evening, when Cal and Rose are back in their rooms,

610
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:07,400
Speaker 1: Cow gives Rose the heart of the Ocean and he's like,

611
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:09,840
Speaker 1: I know you've been melancholy, and I don't pretend to

612
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:14,360
Speaker 1: understand why, but here's a very expensive diamond necklace. And

613
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:19,759
Speaker 1: she's like oh. The next day, Rose pays Jack a

614
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:24,880
Speaker 1: visit to thank him for saving her and for his discretion,

615
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 1: and he's like, do you even love cow? And she's like, ah,

616
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 1: you're being very rude, and then they argue a bit,

617
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 1: but then she sees his drawings because Jack is an

618
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 1: artiste and they are drawings of naked sex workers in Paris.

619
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:47,920
Speaker 1: He was not getting into abstract expressionist. He was pretty straightforward. Oh,

620
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 1: Tho'd be so funny if they if you cut to

621
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 1: like Billy's AND's abstract expressionist paintings, like in his binder

622
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 1: you mean in Jack's binders. Yeah, He's like, Um, I

623
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 1: don't know. I guess I just sort of don't know

624
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 1: anyone here and I'm just trying stuff out. That deck scene,

625
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 1: I guess that. I mean, I've seen I'm sure we've

626
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:08,360
Speaker 1: both seen audition tastes like that was like the audition

627
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 1: scene for Titanic for one of them, But the way

628
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 1: that the scene is was rewritten the night before, and

629
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 1: there were all of these cool like for every peepee

630
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:25,359
Speaker 1: poopoo naked story that Kate Winslett and Leonardo DiCaprio share,

631
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:27,800
Speaker 1: of which there are many, there's fart in the jacket,

632
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:31,320
Speaker 1: stick it in the face, surprise naked at him. There's

633
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 1: we would pee in the tanks all the time, like

634
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 1: she was, like Leo would eat a ton of garlic

635
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 1: on days we had to kiss to prank me. I

636
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 1: was just like, you guys are weird? You guys are

637
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 1: you guys are? It sounds very like weird sibling kind

638
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 1: of like antagonism. But but they also it was kind

639
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:53,920
Speaker 1: of cool to like they were always especially Kate Winslett,

640
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:56,359
Speaker 1: who I just love her so much, but like they

641
00:39:56,400 --> 00:40:00,879
Speaker 1: were always trying to like add in little things into

642
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 1: the movie. Because it sounds like Kate and Leonardo DiCaprio

643
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:08,920
Speaker 1: both felt that the movie. They were worried that the

644
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 1: movie was going to be too corny and too earnest.

645
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:14,840
Speaker 1: And I think that especially because it was like whatever.

646
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 1: DiCaprio was like like he almost didn't take the part

647
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:21,240
Speaker 1: because he's like he's too perfect, Like we're's just damage

648
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:23,719
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. And like Kate Winslet have played a

649
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:25,880
Speaker 1: bunch of like complicated roles and it's not I mean,

650
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:30,240
Speaker 1: ros is kind of a meteor role in Jack, but whatever.

651
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:32,440
Speaker 1: Like I think that they were both trying to add in.

652
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 1: They're trying to get their little gen X two cents

653
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:38,319
Speaker 1: in where they could, and so they went to James

654
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 1: Cameron when that scene was being like in the process

655
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:43,719
Speaker 1: of being rewritten, and I guess that it was at

656
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:47,279
Speaker 1: their insistence that Jack says like, well do you love

657
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 1: the guy or not? Like stuff like that, Like there's

658
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 1: a few lines in this movie that the way they

659
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 1: would rehearse. I also loved the way that they would

660
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 1: rehearse them, where like they would do it as written

661
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 1: and then James Cameron would have them do scene again.

662
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:03,279
Speaker 1: The way that they would just talk to each other

663
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:06,360
Speaker 1: to get like the cadence down for like, well, how

664
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 1: would you actually have this conversation, and then you would

665
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 1: do it as written again with the correct cadence, which

666
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:14,839
Speaker 1: is pretty smart way to rehearse people. But like they

667
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 1: occasionally would like Caitlin's like got like a lot of

668
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:21,319
Speaker 1: stuff into this movie. She is the person who said

669
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 1: that Rose should spit in Cal's face. Originally she was

670
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:27,239
Speaker 1: poking him with a hairpin, but she was like, I

671
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 1: already learned how to spit, and then James Caermon was like, shit,

672
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 1: that should have been my idea. She and Francis Fisher

673
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:36,759
Speaker 1: also suggest in their scene together where Francis Fisher's like

674
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 1: tying the corset, originally it was the reverse and Kate

675
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 1: Winslett was tying Francis Fisher's this corset and they were like,

676
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:46,279
Speaker 1: it makes way more sense thematically if it's the other

677
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 1: way around, and James Carramon was like, Ash, maybe I'm

678
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 1: could have a screenwriter. It's like, yeah, not really, but

679
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 1: like I just thought it was fun where every time

680
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:58,399
Speaker 1: there was a point where it's like, oh I got

681
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 1: that in, I was like, that's so cool. That is

682
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 1: very cool, And I'm glad that James Cameron like listens

683
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 1: to reason and lets his Yeah, he seems grouchy, but

684
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 1: it's like it seems like when someone else has a

685
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 1: better idea. This is like not a huge compet but

686
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:15,440
Speaker 1: it's like if someone else has a better idea, he

687
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:19,359
Speaker 1: will go with that idea. That's good. Yeah, let's take

688
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 1: another quick break and then we will come back for

689
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:32,719
Speaker 1: more Titanic and we're back. Okay. So we have this

690
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:36,440
Speaker 1: scene with Jack and Rose and it's a little rocky

691
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 1: here and there, but then she's like, let me look

692
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:41,240
Speaker 1: at your sexy drawings and then she's like a wooga.

693
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:45,759
Speaker 1: And then they're kind of like bonding and flirting, and

694
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:49,360
Speaker 1: he teaches her how to spit. Speaking of spitting, I

695
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:52,360
Speaker 1: guess that they were spitting that the water seaged in

696
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:55,320
Speaker 1: and that scene and they were spitting onto like the

697
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 1: floor of a parking lot, and Leonardo DiCaprio like set

698
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 1: up these little targets on the ground. Would like to

699
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:10,360
Speaker 1: hit my little target. Wow. I love fun facts. Okay.

700
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 1: So meanwhile, Bruce Ismay is pressuring Captain EJ. Smith played

701
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 1: by Bernard Hill. I want them to model her speed. Yeah,

702
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 1: And he wants the captain to light the last four

703
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:26,239
Speaker 1: boilers so that the ship goes really fast and gets

704
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:29,959
Speaker 1: to New York City early ever heard of New York City? Yeah,

705
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:35,239
Speaker 1: because the maiden voyage of Titanic must make headlines. That

706
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 1: actor fucking rules. Apparently, like he and Francis Fisher are

707
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:43,439
Speaker 1: good friends, and so even in scenes that he wasn't

708
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:46,359
Speaker 1: in that Francis Fisher was in, he would like come

709
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:49,880
Speaker 1: to set those days and watch her work. He was,

710
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:52,719
Speaker 1: so I was like, oh, it's kind of fun. Mister

711
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 1: Ame was sitting just off screen for that whole mother daughter.

712
00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 1: Of course, it's seen he's there. That's nice. I know

713
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 1: he's just supporting his friend. Okay, So then it's time

714
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 1: for dinner. Molly Brown dresses Jack in her son's tuxedo,

715
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:13,320
Speaker 1: and then Jack joins Rose and Cow and Ruth and

716
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:16,920
Speaker 1: a bunch of other rich, first class people for dinner.

717
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 1: Ruth and Cal think Jack is gross, but Rose is like, wow,

718
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:28,760
Speaker 1: I like him, a free spirit. Here's a Molly Brown fact, please,

719
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:34,279
Speaker 1: So Molly Brown. She's very characterized as new money and

720
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:37,840
Speaker 1: James Cameron takes a little bit of creative license with

721
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:42,360
Speaker 1: her in this where it's like she was a big personality,

722
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:46,279
Speaker 1: but also she was I guess in real life was

723
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 1: like pretty dead set on fitting in and would not

724
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 1: speak out as quite as much as she does in

725
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 1: the movie. I'm glad she does in the movie. But

726
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 1: there is like a fun and not finding who cares.

727
00:44:57,239 --> 00:44:59,360
Speaker 1: It's just like rich people shit. But there's like a

728
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:01,719
Speaker 1: brief converse station with John Jacob Astar, who is like

729
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 1: the richest man in America at the time, and his

730
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 1: teenage wife, and every account is like he doated on

731
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:11,920
Speaker 1: his wife, and you're like, okay, like she was a teenager,

732
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 1: but I guess he died, but apparently they were like

733
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:18,840
Speaker 1: really good friends, and so, like James Cameron tried to

734
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 1: add in, like there's like a scene, there's like an

735
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 1: exchange where Kathy Bates is like, hey asked her? Yeah,

736
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:27,319
Speaker 1: so that is a reference to like how she used

737
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 1: to talk to him, And I guess that, like the

738
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 1: reason that he liked her was because everyone treated him like,

739
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 1: you know, god, and she was like really she treated

740
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 1: him like a person, and he's like, go on, They'd

741
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:42,359
Speaker 1: like been on vacations together. There's a picture of them

742
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 1: on camels. So it turns out, I mean, it's like,

743
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:48,799
Speaker 1: I know whatever, you know that like people knew each

744
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 1: other on this boat. But I was like, oh, Molly

745
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:54,239
Speaker 1: Brown actually lost like a dear friend and it was

746
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 1: just some rich guy with a teenage wife. So ultimately,

747
00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 1: who cares. Estimately I don't feel that bad, but personally

748
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 1: must have been heard for her. Yeah that's true, Yeah,

749
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:09,360
Speaker 1: poor Molly. Yeah, um okay. So after dinner, Jack to

750
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:11,759
Speaker 1: Rose is like, so you want to go to a

751
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:17,800
Speaker 1: real party, and he invites Rose to a third class

752
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:23,240
Speaker 1: party below deck and it's a good ass time. Rose

753
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:28,239
Speaker 1: is chugging beer, she's smoking cigarettes, she's doing this tippytoe

754
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 1: ballet thing where she was on wires for that. Oh okay,

755
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 1: quick dancing facts with Jamie. Kate Winslett and Dicabrio had

756
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 1: to be trained to dance, and this is them doing

757
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:43,840
Speaker 1: all the dancing. Kate Winslett. All of these stories are like,

758
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:48,440
Speaker 1: Kate Winslett was lovely and so great. Leonardo DiCaprio was

759
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 1: like pretty good, which I would also describe their caliber

760
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:56,320
Speaker 1: of performances in this movie. Yeah, but apparently, like again,

761
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:58,840
Speaker 1: I don't know, it just sounds like Leonardo DiCaprio is

762
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:01,279
Speaker 1: in his like pussy posse. I'm a little shit era

763
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:05,120
Speaker 1: during this because he, like I guess, would really avoid

764
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 1: the dance lessons. He like didn't want to do them.

765
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 1: And I know, I'm just like you fucking brat, But

766
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 1: this is a fun story where the dance coach also

767
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:18,760
Speaker 1: like the dance coaches on the commentary track, it's very comprehensive. Wow,

768
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:21,360
Speaker 1: but the dance coach was like, yeah, like Kate was

769
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:23,239
Speaker 1: having a hard time, but she worked really hard at

770
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:25,320
Speaker 1: it and she picked up on it pretty quickly. I

771
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:28,400
Speaker 1: was proud of her, and I was like, Leo was

772
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 1: always avoiding me and he didn't want to go to

773
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 1: the lessons and every time and she was like, I

774
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 1: would have to come to his trailer between takes to

775
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:39,799
Speaker 1: like help him learn like the clogging dance that he does,

776
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 1: because that was, like, I mean, it wouldn't have been easy.

777
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:46,320
Speaker 1: And she was like, and he eventually learned, but I

778
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:49,680
Speaker 1: would always have to knock on his trailer for a

779
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:52,399
Speaker 1: while and tell him to put his pet lizard away

780
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:55,280
Speaker 1: before I could come in. He had a pet lizard

781
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 1: on set all the time. He had a lizard named

782
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:03,440
Speaker 1: Blizzard that like lived with him in Mexico. And I

783
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 1: guess that the dance. Every time the dancing startor came by,

784
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:08,400
Speaker 1: she'd have to like pound on his trailer door and

785
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:11,719
Speaker 1: be like, put the lizard away, it's dancing time. And

786
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 1: he'd be like no, They're like what it really like,

787
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 1: I don't. I have no particular attachment to Leonardo DiCaprio.

788
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 1: I'm too old for him, but I was really endeared

789
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:29,360
Speaker 1: to him when I found out that he had a

790
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:31,839
Speaker 1: lizard friend with him the whole time. I'm like, wow,

791
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:35,440
Speaker 1: people really were. It sounds like people were really in

792
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:38,840
Speaker 1: a strange place mentally on the set of Billy Zane's

793
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:46,400
Speaker 1: making abstract art. Leo is spooning his lizard Lizard. It

794
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:49,840
Speaker 1: sounds like everyone's in a very, very like weird place

795
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 1: with here. But I was like, I wonder whatever became

796
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:55,160
Speaker 1: a Blizzard the Lizard. I haven't been able to find

797
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 1: pictures of him, damn her. I don't know, I don't

798
00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:01,399
Speaker 1: know them, I don't I don't know what was going

799
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:04,520
Speaker 1: on with Blizzard. But I just wanted to say, of

800
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:07,320
Speaker 1: course there wouldn't be a record of Blizzard. Blizzard, but

801
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 1: he saved Leonardo DiCaprio in every way a person can

802
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:19,640
Speaker 1: be saved. Okay, Okay, so we're belowdeck at the party.

803
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:24,400
Speaker 1: Jack and Rose are really having a blast. They're spinning.

804
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:27,840
Speaker 1: The scene ends and what is essentially a congo line.

805
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:31,759
Speaker 1: The next day, Wait, Kaitlyn, I found a picture of

806
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:35,719
Speaker 1: Leo and Blizzard. Whoa, I'm texting it to you right now. Okay, Wait,

807
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:39,799
Speaker 1: they're actually Oh god, why was he so hot during

808
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:45,359
Speaker 1: this time? Why is the picture of him and Blizzard sexy? Wow?

809
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 1: He actually there's actually like a bunch of pictures of

810
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:51,239
Speaker 1: him on the set of Titanic with Blizzard. Okay, he

811
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:55,800
Speaker 1: like loves this. It reminds me of men are so

812
00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 1: like something is so wrong with them, where like I

813
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 1: read I read recently, I forget what I watched. Oh

814
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:08,560
Speaker 1: I watched Ticket to Paradise with Julia Roberts and George Clooney.

815
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:11,000
Speaker 1: I didn't finish it, to be honest, but I was

816
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:17,160
Speaker 1: reading about George Clooney and George Clooney ended a marriage

817
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:20,279
Speaker 1: because one of his why and one of his ex

818
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:23,719
Speaker 1: wives was like, I'm really sick of your pet pig,

819
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:26,840
Speaker 1: and I guess that it reached the he has I

820
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 1: think the pig is no longer with us. But he

821
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:32,960
Speaker 1: had a pet pig forever and it was big, and

822
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:37,760
Speaker 1: at one point, allegedly one of his marriages pre amal,

823
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:41,239
Speaker 1: someone said it's me or the pig, and he said

824
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:44,800
Speaker 1: get out. He said, I choose the pig. He chose

825
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:50,440
Speaker 1: the pig. Wow, which I would never recover from that.

826
00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:54,240
Speaker 1: But all that to say, yeah, Leo and his lizard,

827
00:50:54,280 --> 00:51:00,840
Speaker 1: George and his pig. Great love that. There's pictures of

828
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:03,759
Speaker 1: Leo and Blizzard that actually makes me happy. They're very nice.

829
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:07,239
Speaker 1: Oh no, well, we'll post the pictures on the Instagram

830
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:12,239
Speaker 1: when this episode comes out. Oh okay, so sorry. The

831
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:17,160
Speaker 1: next morning after this party, Cal and Rose are having breakfast,

832
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:21,360
Speaker 1: and Cal screams at her and he flips a table

833
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:26,560
Speaker 1: for hanging out with Jack instead of him, because he

834
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:30,279
Speaker 1: had his undertaker of a man servant follow Rose, this

835
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 1: guy named love Joy. Yeah. Ruth also gets on Rose's case, saying,

836
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:39,879
Speaker 1: you cannot see that boy again because it turns out

837
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:43,080
Speaker 1: that Rose and Ruth's family money is gone and that

838
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:47,600
Speaker 1: Rose needs to marry Cal and like have access to

839
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:52,320
Speaker 1: his fortune to ensure Rose and Ruth's survival. R So,

840
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:56,319
Speaker 1: basically Rose needs to stop jeopardizing her relationship with Cal.

841
00:51:57,000 --> 00:52:00,239
Speaker 1: Frances Fisher had like a really nice or I guess

842
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:02,000
Speaker 1: like it just like a very thoughtful kind of like

843
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:07,280
Speaker 1: meditation on that scene, and she like, she seems really sweet.

844
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:10,520
Speaker 1: She's saying that, how like in the ten years since

845
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:12,480
Speaker 1: Titanic could come out, there were a lot of like

846
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:16,480
Speaker 1: younger fans, and I know I was in this. I

847
00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:19,480
Speaker 1: think that like early in this show, we weren't even

848
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:23,320
Speaker 1: quite a like comprehension place where it's like, why is

849
00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 1: that mom so mean? And like Frances Fisher was like

850
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:29,320
Speaker 1: fielding questions like this from young fans of Titanic for

851
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:32,400
Speaker 1: years who viewed her as a villain, which there are

852
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:36,719
Speaker 1: villain as, you know whatever. But she she did a

853
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:40,680
Speaker 1: really I think, like concise way of just like talking

854
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:42,560
Speaker 1: about how she would talk to younger fans of the movie.

855
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:44,640
Speaker 1: And she's like, no, I understand why you feel that way.

856
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:47,719
Speaker 1: You have to understand. Like she's like, it doesn't make

857
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:51,560
Speaker 1: what she did right. But women had no options at

858
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:54,440
Speaker 1: this time, they couldn't vote, they were already in a

859
00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:58,080
Speaker 1: precarious position. She should have been thinking about her daughter's

860
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:01,840
Speaker 1: mental well being, but she was thinking about immediacy. And

861
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:05,799
Speaker 1: she said, quote, Ruth's pain is that her daughter will

862
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:10,399
Speaker 1: not be able to experience safety unquote. And I thought

863
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:14,600
Speaker 1: that was a very empathetic view of that character. Yeah,

864
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:18,839
Speaker 1: I agree. Yeah, Okay, So with all this pressure from

865
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:23,480
Speaker 1: her mom, Rose relents and she tells Jack that she

866
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:26,600
Speaker 1: cannot see him again. And he is like, oh, they've

867
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:29,279
Speaker 1: got you trapped, Rose, and you need to break free.

868
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:33,560
Speaker 1: You can do it. You're the most amazing, wonderful girl

869
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:42,200
Speaker 1: I've never known. And then we're like wow, King, but

870
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:46,960
Speaker 1: she's not having it and she leaves. Meanwhile, mister Andrews

871
00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:50,960
Speaker 1: is giving a little tour to the rich people, and

872
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:54,440
Speaker 1: Rose figures out that there are not enough lifeboats on

873
00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:58,600
Speaker 1: board for all the passengers. Also, Captain E. J. Smith

874
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:03,600
Speaker 1: is getting Iceberg warnings and were like, um foreshadowing much

875
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:10,840
Speaker 1: and history fat apparently for this for this movie, the

876
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:15,440
Speaker 1: original like manufacturers of the Titanic, Harland and Wolf or

877
00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:19,320
Speaker 1: one of the original manufacturers, gave James Cameron access to

878
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:24,600
Speaker 1: Thomas Andrews earlier drawings and gave him access to his

879
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:29,520
Speaker 1: journals and process and so this production was the first

880
00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:33,319
Speaker 1: to confirm, even before history books, that there had been

881
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:36,279
Speaker 1: versions of the Titanic in which there were enough lifeboats,

882
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:38,279
Speaker 1: but that like, like he says in the movie, like

883
00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:40,840
Speaker 1: it was considered to make the deck look too cluttered,

884
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:42,719
Speaker 1: and so they were gotten rid of. So that was

885
00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:47,759
Speaker 1: actually breaking freaking news. Wow, I know, kind of cool.

886
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:52,520
Speaker 1: Um Okay. So then after having told Jack that she

887
00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:55,840
Speaker 1: can't see him anymore, she's like, wait a minute, fuck this,

888
00:54:56,200 --> 00:54:59,640
Speaker 1: and then she goes back to Jack. He's at the

889
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:03,040
Speaker 1: I believe the bowl of the ship, the front of it.

890
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:08,239
Speaker 1: He's brooding. But she's like, Jack, changed my mind, and

891
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:11,279
Speaker 1: it's sunset, and he's like, get up here. So she

892
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:14,319
Speaker 1: like hims on the railing of the ship. And he's

893
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:16,600
Speaker 1: like close your eyes, and then he like spreads out

894
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:19,239
Speaker 1: her arms and she opens her eyes and she's like,

895
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:23,400
Speaker 1: I'm flying and then then I'm and then I'm crying

896
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:27,800
Speaker 1: and it's all a lot. This is a very commonly

897
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:32,920
Speaker 1: circulated anecdote, but for that scene, some of the shots

898
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:34,920
Speaker 1: are done with a Matt painting of the sunset, but

899
00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:38,719
Speaker 1: the big kissing shot was done with an actual sunset

900
00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:42,840
Speaker 1: and they waited for forever. They were like whatever. It

901
00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:45,640
Speaker 1: was like they had two chances at the shot, and

902
00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:48,040
Speaker 1: Kate Winslet it was what, I don't know. I feel

903
00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:51,320
Speaker 1: like Kate Winslet and James Cameron, their relationship is so confusing,

904
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:54,560
Speaker 1: but like this was a positive anecdote with them, where

905
00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:57,200
Speaker 1: Kate and Lee are up on the railing and then

906
00:55:57,239 --> 00:56:00,200
Speaker 1: there's one one of the takes where Kate Win's was

907
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:02,800
Speaker 1: like we need to go right now, and James Cameron

908
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:06,160
Speaker 1: like listened to her and started shooting, and that is

909
00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:09,560
Speaker 1: the shot that's used in the movie. And apparently it's

910
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:11,880
Speaker 1: a little bit out of focus because it was so

911
00:56:12,239 --> 00:56:14,279
Speaker 1: like she was like, you need to do it right now,

912
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:18,080
Speaker 1: and he had them start shooting before they were fully focused. Checked. Yeah,

913
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:21,240
Speaker 1: I can't tell, like I couldn't tell, but like apparently

914
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:22,759
Speaker 1: that shot is a little bit out of focus. But

915
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:25,880
Speaker 1: they both talk about that and they're like, that was

916
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:30,080
Speaker 1: a beautiful collaborative moment, I know. And then she and

917
00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:34,920
Speaker 1: Jack kiss, kiss, kiss, yeah, and it's nice. And then

918
00:56:35,560 --> 00:56:39,080
Speaker 1: they go to her room and she shows him the

919
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:41,600
Speaker 1: heart of the ocean and she's like, I want you

920
00:56:41,680 --> 00:56:44,440
Speaker 1: to draw me like one of your French girls wearing this,

921
00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:52,160
Speaker 1: wearing only this. And then he goes, yo woga sounds.

922
00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:58,120
Speaker 1: And then James Cameron goes, what what fun fact about

923
00:56:58,120 --> 00:57:02,880
Speaker 1: the drawing scene? M So Rose's nude, Jack's drawing her?

924
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:06,360
Speaker 1: Everyone knows that's actually James Cameron drawing. We will not

925
00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:09,800
Speaker 1: rehash that. A new thing I learned was that, you

926
00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:12,120
Speaker 1: know how like in the music in that scene is

927
00:57:12,239 --> 00:57:17,360
Speaker 1: like just a single piano playing the Rose theme A

928
00:57:17,560 --> 00:57:22,400
Speaker 1: fun uh. I love fun facts. So James Horner may

929
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:27,240
Speaker 1: he rest in peace, huge collaborator of James Cameron, amongst others.

930
00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:33,320
Speaker 1: But there was like a file confusion where so I

931
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:38,040
Speaker 1: guess that like James Horner had recorded himself playing this

932
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:44,080
Speaker 1: track on the piano himself as like a test of

933
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:47,360
Speaker 1: like it would sound something like this, and like, I

934
00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:49,800
Speaker 1: don't know what the nineteen ninety six version of the

935
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:52,880
Speaker 1: Cloud was, but uploaded it to like a mutual server

936
00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:58,880
Speaker 1: with the file names sketch sketch meaning this isn't finished,

937
00:57:59,040 --> 00:58:02,240
Speaker 1: this is a rough draft, right, James Cameron sees a

938
00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:04,880
Speaker 1: final named sketch and thinks it's for the sketching scene.

939
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:08,440
Speaker 1: And so because I guess James Cameron did a lot

940
00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:12,760
Speaker 1: of editing or like pre editing for this movie, and

941
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:15,160
Speaker 1: there was like he was trying to get this scene

942
00:58:15,160 --> 00:58:17,680
Speaker 1: together and was like, oh, this isn't quite syncing up,

943
00:58:17,720 --> 00:58:19,200
Speaker 1: like I don't really know what he's thinking with this,

944
00:58:19,600 --> 00:58:22,680
Speaker 1: but then figures it out and then it's like, wait,

945
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:25,360
Speaker 1: I love this. This like is perfect. It's so like

946
00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:27,840
Speaker 1: spare and beautiful, and he like called James Horner and

947
00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:32,080
Speaker 1: he's like, I love sketch and James Harder's like, what

948
00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:36,439
Speaker 1: are you talking about? And I guess that, like James

949
00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:39,800
Speaker 1: Horner like had to really be talked into like letting

950
00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:41,840
Speaker 1: them use that in the final cut of the movie,

951
00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:44,160
Speaker 1: because he was like, I had a whole plan and

952
00:58:44,360 --> 00:58:48,440
Speaker 1: James Cameron's like, no, this is good. I love sketch. Wow,

953
00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:52,320
Speaker 1: I know it isn't that sweet. It's very sweet. Yeah,

954
00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:56,400
Speaker 1: the movies, the movie really feeling like a movie in

955
00:58:56,480 --> 00:59:00,240
Speaker 1: this scene, tell you what it really is. Okay. So

956
00:59:01,120 --> 00:59:03,840
Speaker 1: she's like, draw me like one of your French girls,

957
00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:06,720
Speaker 1: and then he draws her like one of his French girls.

958
00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:09,640
Speaker 1: It's the drawing we saw at the beginning, and it

959
00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:13,880
Speaker 1: was the most erratic moment of Rose's life up until

960
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:21,160
Speaker 1: that at least. And then you cut to Bill Paxson horny. Okay.

961
00:59:21,360 --> 00:59:27,800
Speaker 1: Then love Joy, who is still following Rose at Cal's behest,

962
00:59:28,720 --> 00:59:32,120
Speaker 1: comes in and starts chasing Rose and Jack around the ship.

963
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:36,440
Speaker 1: They end up in like the storage compartments where all

964
00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:39,840
Speaker 1: of like the big crates and cars are being stored,

965
00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:42,120
Speaker 1: and they get into a car and Jack is like

966
00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:46,280
Speaker 1: bebe where to miss and She's like into the stars.

967
00:59:47,200 --> 00:59:48,920
Speaker 1: And then she pulls him into the back seat and

968
00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:52,080
Speaker 1: she says, put your hands on me, Jack, and then she,

969
00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:56,280
Speaker 1: cheering to quote the script, slides under his welcome weight.

970
00:59:56,880 --> 00:59:59,760
Speaker 1: Now that's something that comes up in all seven episodes,

971
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:03,840
Speaker 1: and it should It is just not okay that that's

972
01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:06,880
Speaker 1: the way that that was written down. No one should

973
01:00:06,920 --> 01:00:09,240
Speaker 1: have said that. No one should have thought that and

974
01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:12,600
Speaker 1: James Cameron should have had to pay some sort of fine,

975
01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:17,360
Speaker 1: He should have to chop all of his fingers off.

976
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:23,880
Speaker 1: He Oh my god, what is give me James Cameron's

977
01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:28,080
Speaker 1: Banshees of Innisharon? Honestly? Like who is he sending his

978
01:00:28,280 --> 01:00:32,360
Speaker 1: damn fingers too? Like? Who? I wonder if there has

979
01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:36,120
Speaker 1: to be a director that James Cameron can't stand right,

980
01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:37,880
Speaker 1: Like I know that Del Toro is one of his

981
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:40,040
Speaker 1: best friends and he has a lot of good seems

982
01:00:40,080 --> 01:00:42,400
Speaker 1: like in terms of like I mean, and this means

983
01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:46,360
Speaker 1: nothing because it's like among male otours, he seems to

984
01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:48,560
Speaker 1: be pretty well liked. But I'm like, there has to

985
01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:52,040
Speaker 1: be someone who's on his shit list? Oh who is

986
01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:55,600
Speaker 1: he mail in those fingers too? I want to know?

987
01:00:56,400 --> 01:01:01,760
Speaker 1: Or Banshees of Innisharon where El Toro is Colin Farrell

988
01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:05,600
Speaker 1: and James Cameron is Brendan Gleeson, where one day James

989
01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:07,840
Speaker 1: Cameron's like, I don't want to be your friend anymore

990
01:01:08,200 --> 01:01:12,040
Speaker 1: and Del Toro was like, why that would be so sad? Well,

991
01:01:12,160 --> 01:01:14,400
Speaker 1: it was so sad, but it happened to Colin Farrell,

992
01:01:15,040 --> 01:01:19,360
Speaker 1: I know, And it's always so sad. It's the saddest

993
01:01:19,360 --> 01:01:26,640
Speaker 1: story about friends who are boys. Okay, So, so Jack

994
01:01:26,680 --> 01:01:28,200
Speaker 1: and Rose have sex in the back of the car

995
01:01:28,520 --> 01:01:31,000
Speaker 1: and this is when we get the hand slapping the

996
01:01:31,200 --> 01:01:36,959
Speaker 1: steamy window moment, iconic love it. Then they go back

997
01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:39,360
Speaker 1: up to the deck of the ship and Rose is like,

998
01:01:39,640 --> 01:01:42,320
Speaker 1: when the ship doks, I'm getting off with you, and

999
01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:45,280
Speaker 1: he's like, oh my god, what. And then they're kissing

1000
01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:49,320
Speaker 1: and they're giggling and it's distracting the two lookouts who

1001
01:01:49,360 --> 01:01:53,160
Speaker 1: are in like the crow's nest area. And that is

1002
01:01:53,240 --> 01:01:56,440
Speaker 1: like a brilliant writing decision of like, um, they saw

1003
01:01:56,480 --> 01:01:58,960
Speaker 1: people kissing and they got a horny. Therefore there they

1004
01:01:59,000 --> 01:02:03,240
Speaker 1: have blood on their hands for the Titanic sunk um. Yeah. Yeah,

1005
01:02:03,280 --> 01:02:06,560
Speaker 1: So they're too distracted to notice the iceberg that is

1006
01:02:06,680 --> 01:02:08,640
Speaker 1: directly ahead of them. But then they look up and

1007
01:02:08,680 --> 01:02:12,600
Speaker 1: they see the iceberg and they sound the alarm. Then

1008
01:02:13,200 --> 01:02:17,320
Speaker 1: there is, in my opinion, maybe the best and most

1009
01:02:17,520 --> 01:02:21,760
Speaker 1: tension filled sequence ever committed to film. For all of

1010
01:02:21,800 --> 01:02:25,160
Speaker 1: the crew is scrambling around. They're trying to prevent the

1011
01:02:25,280 --> 01:02:28,480
Speaker 1: ship from hitting the iceberg. There's this moment of is

1012
01:02:28,520 --> 01:02:30,919
Speaker 1: it gonna hit is it gonna miss? Well, I don't

1013
01:02:30,960 --> 01:02:33,000
Speaker 1: know which is well because you know how it is,

1014
01:02:33,320 --> 01:02:35,240
Speaker 1: but it still makes you feel that way. But like

1015
01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:40,440
Speaker 1: it so good, and my already very high opinion of

1016
01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:44,400
Speaker 1: the sequence was further improved. There's like a million little

1017
01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:46,840
Speaker 1: bit It's like that scene is also full of like

1018
01:02:47,400 --> 01:02:51,240
Speaker 1: historical references too. Like that sequence specifically, there was a

1019
01:02:51,320 --> 01:02:56,320
Speaker 1: lot of care taken to like reference survivors who were

1020
01:02:56,640 --> 01:03:00,960
Speaker 1: very helpful in piecing together He's an account of what

1021
01:03:01,120 --> 01:03:04,960
Speaker 1: actually happened. And so there's like one of the men

1022
01:03:05,040 --> 01:03:07,040
Speaker 1: that worked in the engine room who is like a

1023
01:03:07,200 --> 01:03:09,840
Speaker 1: huge source for like giving insight into what was going

1024
01:03:09,880 --> 01:03:13,479
Speaker 1: on there. He like appears and like has a line

1025
01:03:13,520 --> 01:03:15,920
Speaker 1: of dialogue. And then like there's just like all of

1026
01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:20,680
Speaker 1: these like incidental players in the story that like helped

1027
01:03:20,760 --> 01:03:23,080
Speaker 1: build out this clear picture that this movie is even

1028
01:03:23,160 --> 01:03:26,200
Speaker 1: able to exist because of And I just I just

1029
01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:28,360
Speaker 1: I love shit like that. I'm so glad that it's

1030
01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:31,000
Speaker 1: like you take the time to like have this or

1031
01:03:31,080 --> 01:03:34,400
Speaker 1: even shit like the fucking Pomeranian. You're like movie feels

1032
01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:38,080
Speaker 1: like a movie, folks. I love it. James Cameron does

1033
01:03:38,200 --> 01:03:42,280
Speaker 1: his research. He goes to the library and he reads

1034
01:03:42,360 --> 01:03:46,000
Speaker 1: those books. He stays, he and he stays for more

1035
01:03:46,040 --> 01:03:48,840
Speaker 1: than a day. I actually don't think he goes to

1036
01:03:48,920 --> 01:03:51,560
Speaker 1: the library. Someone goes on his behalf and a photocopy,

1037
01:03:51,640 --> 01:03:53,760
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff. I don't know how much he

1038
01:03:53,920 --> 01:03:57,240
Speaker 1: leaves his house brings a library to him, but he

1039
01:03:57,360 --> 01:04:00,400
Speaker 1: consumes it is the point. Yes, yes, so anyway, so

1040
01:04:00,520 --> 01:04:07,040
Speaker 1: there's this very tension filled moment and ultimately, historically famously

1041
01:04:07,320 --> 01:04:11,960
Speaker 1: the Titanic hits the iceberg and it is blink chaos.

1042
01:04:13,960 --> 01:04:18,280
Speaker 1: It goes Yeah. The fully artist was on the thing

1043
01:04:18,440 --> 01:04:20,800
Speaker 1: being like, so it not a lot of people know this,

1044
01:04:21,120 --> 01:04:23,800
Speaker 1: but when they hit the iceberg it kind of went boink.

1045
01:04:26,280 --> 01:04:28,439
Speaker 1: What if it was like, what's the like I'm thinking

1046
01:04:28,480 --> 01:04:31,200
Speaker 1: of like a like a an old tiny like a

1047
01:04:31,280 --> 01:04:37,200
Speaker 1: Hannah barbera sound effect of like k like when Fred

1048
01:04:37,280 --> 01:04:39,960
Speaker 1: flint Stone gets hit on the head, was like, that

1049
01:04:41,400 --> 01:04:43,720
Speaker 1: should be a thing. Maybe that's a project I will

1050
01:04:43,920 --> 01:04:47,840
Speaker 1: undergo where I because I'm already oh yeah, knee deep

1051
01:04:47,920 --> 01:04:51,760
Speaker 1: in my re editing the endings of movies to make

1052
01:04:51,800 --> 01:04:55,360
Speaker 1: them far more shrekky. And maybe I will read and

1053
01:04:55,520 --> 01:04:59,320
Speaker 1: fully work re edit famous scenes of movies, changing the

1054
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Speaker 1: fully around to make it really well exciting. That's what

1055
01:05:04,080 --> 01:05:06,880
Speaker 1: I did with figure skaters during the Olympics, and it

1056
01:05:07,080 --> 01:05:09,560
Speaker 1: got it ruined my life for a while. So just

1057
01:05:09,680 --> 01:05:12,960
Speaker 1: be careful who you're fucking with, Okay, Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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01:05:13,040 --> 01:05:16,960
Speaker 1: yeah yeah. I watched an interview with James Camp. I'm

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01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:19,880
Speaker 1: just I'm in the zone, like I know, he's not

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01:05:19,960 --> 01:05:22,960
Speaker 1: a good person. I cannot stop watching there. I was

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01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:25,680
Speaker 1: watching an interview he did at the time. Yeah, in

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Speaker 1: like ninety seven with famously disgraced Charlie Rose. But there

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01:05:30,320 --> 01:05:32,200
Speaker 1: were two things he said in the interview that made

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Speaker 1: me laugh with then because I'm from the future and

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01:05:36,600 --> 01:05:39,840
Speaker 1: they're not. But two things he said in the interview

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Speaker 1: that made me laugh was that he said several times

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01:05:42,920 --> 01:05:46,440
Speaker 1: like oh, like he was talking about how whatever, like

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01:05:46,760 --> 01:05:49,520
Speaker 1: you will not get engaged into the story of the

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01:05:49,600 --> 01:05:53,360
Speaker 1: Titanic unless you care about the characters, and you also

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01:05:53,480 --> 01:05:56,800
Speaker 1: can fully appreciate what the ship was in its heyday,

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01:05:56,960 --> 01:05:59,640
Speaker 1: like what it meant. And he was like, well, you know,

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01:06:00,120 --> 01:06:02,600
Speaker 1: like you can go on and on and on about

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01:06:02,680 --> 01:06:05,480
Speaker 1: the power of the love between two people until you're

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01:06:05,480 --> 01:06:07,480
Speaker 1: blue in the face. But I don't know why you

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01:06:07,640 --> 01:06:10,680
Speaker 1: do that. And I was like, blue in the face interesting,

1076
01:06:11,560 --> 01:06:16,200
Speaker 1: until you're blue in the face. Yeah, and thus Avatar

1077
01:06:16,360 --> 01:06:20,720
Speaker 1: was born, and that he was foreshadowing himself hard and

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01:06:20,800 --> 01:06:24,920
Speaker 1: then like at the end, famously disgraced Charlie, Rose asks like, oh,

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Speaker 1: are you going to keep making epics after this? And

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01:06:28,560 --> 01:06:31,960
Speaker 1: he says he it's pretty funny. He was like, yeah, No,

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Speaker 1: I don't think I'm ever going to make another like

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01:06:34,640 --> 01:06:37,600
Speaker 1: three hour movie. I don't think that I would do that.

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01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:41,480
Speaker 1: And I was like, wow, well you're gonna say that

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01:06:41,600 --> 01:06:44,960
Speaker 1: until you're blue in the face, my friend, because you're

1085
01:06:44,960 --> 01:06:49,560
Speaker 1: about to make Avatar one and then two, and then three,

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Speaker 1: other four and then five. We're never going to escape,

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Speaker 1: all right, Okay? Moving on. So the ship hits the iceberg.

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Speaker 1: It's chaos as water starts cascading into the lower decks

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Speaker 1: of the ship and into the boiler room where the

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01:07:07,120 --> 01:07:11,479
Speaker 1: workers are trying desperately to escape. Water starts seeping onto

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01:07:11,520 --> 01:07:15,640
Speaker 1: the floors of the third classrooms. Meanwhile, first class people

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01:07:15,680 --> 01:07:21,640
Speaker 1: are like teh, what's going on? Then Jack and Rose

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01:07:21,880 --> 01:07:25,439
Speaker 1: go to tell Ruth and Cal about the ship hitting

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01:07:25,480 --> 01:07:29,520
Speaker 1: the iceberg and the gravity of the situation, but Cal

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01:07:29,920 --> 01:07:32,840
Speaker 1: is busy framing Jack for stealing the heart of the Ocean,

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01:07:33,640 --> 01:07:38,160
Speaker 1: and Jack gets arrested and handcuffed to a pipe in

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Speaker 1: the Master at Arms office, and Rose is like, damn,

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01:07:42,600 --> 01:07:44,560
Speaker 1: I guess my boyfriend who I met two days ago

1099
01:07:45,000 --> 01:07:48,400
Speaker 1: is a thief that sucks. Life comes at you fast,

1100
01:07:48,960 --> 01:07:54,560
Speaker 1: like yeah, And then mister Andrews is having a meeting

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01:07:54,840 --> 01:07:59,560
Speaker 1: with Bruce Ismay and the Captain and a VHS tape

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01:07:59,600 --> 01:08:03,120
Speaker 1: one We're in it, baby, saying the ship will sink.

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01:08:03,320 --> 01:08:06,160
Speaker 1: It's a mathematical certainty. We've got an hour two of

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01:08:06,280 --> 01:08:09,600
Speaker 1: the most and then the captain turns to Bruce's million says,

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01:08:09,800 --> 01:08:13,080
Speaker 1: I believe you make it your headlines mysteries may and

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01:08:13,200 --> 01:08:17,960
Speaker 1: then we go because it's like the most iconic. I maybe,

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01:08:18,080 --> 01:08:21,000
Speaker 1: like there are so many amazing lines, but I do

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01:08:21,200 --> 01:08:25,040
Speaker 1: think that that's my favorite. It's really good because it

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01:08:25,200 --> 01:08:30,160
Speaker 1: has like this like generational significance too, Like I understand

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Speaker 1: like if a seventeen year old watched this movie, there's

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01:08:33,479 --> 01:08:35,519
Speaker 1: no way that would be their favorite line. But I

1112
01:08:35,600 --> 01:08:40,600
Speaker 1: feel like the VHS split it has a generational significance.

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01:08:40,680 --> 01:08:43,040
Speaker 1: It's true, it's my favorite line in the movie. And

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Speaker 1: also I'm like Bitchie much Captain Smith, what do you like?

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01:08:47,479 --> 01:08:51,280
Speaker 1: You did it? Like? Okay? Quick fun fact. I think

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Speaker 1: maybe we've I feel like maybe we've referenced this before.

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Speaker 1: But Bernard Hill, who plays Captain Smith, was the only

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Speaker 1: cast member, which is like, this makes sense, but he

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01:09:02,120 --> 01:09:04,559
Speaker 1: was the only cast member to have previously also been

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Speaker 1: in a different Titanic movie. Have we ever talked about that?

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01:09:07,680 --> 01:09:11,400
Speaker 1: Whoa oh, you mean kind of like how oh, what's

1122
01:09:11,640 --> 01:09:15,080
Speaker 1: the SpongeBob voice actor who was in both Pinocchio, Tom

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Speaker 1: Kenny Tom Kenny. Yes, it's Tom Kenny. It's the Tom

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Speaker 1: Kenny Pinocchio syndrome. The ground was set by Bernard Hill

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Speaker 1: and Titanic properties. But other Titanic movie was he in?

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Speaker 1: He was in A Night to Remember, I think, the

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01:09:28,040 --> 01:09:30,599
Speaker 1: second most famous Titanic movie that came out. I believe

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Speaker 1: in the fifties he would have been a small child. Yeah, no,

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01:09:34,240 --> 01:09:36,200
Speaker 1: he was a young man. I think that he is

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Speaker 1: like in the because this is the nineties. It's like

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Speaker 1: forty years later. So I think, you know, Bernard Hills

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Speaker 1: like in his maybe late sixties or like sometimes somewhere

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01:09:43,600 --> 01:09:47,080
Speaker 1: in his sixties, Susan his early twenties. But he plays

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Speaker 1: the part of Officer Fleet, who I believe is one

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01:09:49,880 --> 01:09:53,840
Speaker 1: of the guys that spots the iceberg in A Night

1136
01:09:53,920 --> 01:09:58,360
Speaker 1: to Remember and he, I guess there's like a fun

1137
01:09:59,439 --> 01:10:02,280
Speaker 1: I keep saying there's a fun anecdote, but but I'm right.

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Speaker 1: One of the producers was talking about how like Bernard Hill,

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01:10:07,160 --> 01:10:09,080
Speaker 1: you know, he was like, he'd played Officer Fleet and

1140
01:10:09,120 --> 01:10:12,679
Speaker 1: now he's playing the captain forty five years later. How wild?

1141
01:10:13,280 --> 01:10:17,240
Speaker 1: And so he spoke with the actor who plays Officer

1142
01:10:17,360 --> 01:10:20,800
Speaker 1: Fleet in this movie, and again, I just I'm like,

1143
01:10:21,439 --> 01:10:24,080
Speaker 1: the more you just hear about the actors, it just

1144
01:10:24,160 --> 01:10:26,800
Speaker 1: sounds like they are really like it felt like it

1145
01:10:26,880 --> 01:10:29,439
Speaker 1: sounds like they were going through what we as a

1146
01:10:30,400 --> 01:10:33,519
Speaker 1: world would go through during lockdown, where you're just like

1147
01:10:33,640 --> 01:10:35,920
Speaker 1: kind of stuck somewhere and you're just kind of like

1148
01:10:37,080 --> 01:10:41,000
Speaker 1: something is different in your brain but you can't but

1149
01:10:41,080 --> 01:10:44,080
Speaker 1: there's no one like completely with it to verify that with.

1150
01:10:45,520 --> 01:10:49,479
Speaker 1: So the guy who played Officer Fleet had been in

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01:10:49,680 --> 01:10:53,040
Speaker 1: Mexico where he didn't know anybody for six weeks and

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01:10:53,160 --> 01:10:56,040
Speaker 1: then met Bernard Hill and he was like, Hey, how

1153
01:10:56,120 --> 01:10:59,719
Speaker 1: long were you on set waiting to do your scenes

1154
01:11:00,160 --> 01:11:03,000
Speaker 1: for A Night to Remember? And Bernard Hill was like,

1155
01:11:03,400 --> 01:11:10,519
Speaker 1: m two hours. You all this poor guy is like

1156
01:11:11,040 --> 01:11:15,400
Speaker 1: losing it and it's like not himself anymore, and Bernard

1157
01:11:15,479 --> 01:11:17,080
Speaker 1: Hills like, I don't know, kind of back then you

1158
01:11:17,120 --> 01:11:19,439
Speaker 1: would just kind of go to burbank and like say

1159
01:11:19,520 --> 01:11:22,680
Speaker 1: your lines and get the fuck out, like and it

1160
01:11:22,840 --> 01:11:25,640
Speaker 1: just sounded very I don't know. I guess if I

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01:11:25,800 --> 01:11:28,759
Speaker 1: was an older actor, I would um, I would clown

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01:11:28,840 --> 01:11:31,400
Speaker 1: on younger actors in a similar way. I'd be like, yeah,

1163
01:11:32,080 --> 01:11:37,760
Speaker 1: must suck for you. Anyways, Anyways, the part that I

1164
01:11:37,880 --> 01:11:42,120
Speaker 1: formerly played Justice or else, I'm gonna bully you. I

1165
01:11:42,200 --> 01:11:46,040
Speaker 1: don't know. Why don't they turning? I wonder if it

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01:11:46,120 --> 01:11:47,560
Speaker 1: was that guy or the other guy. I don't know,

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01:11:47,760 --> 01:11:52,160
Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, okay, So the crew starts loading

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01:11:52,320 --> 01:11:56,639
Speaker 1: the first class passengers into the lifeboats, women and children first,

1169
01:11:56,760 --> 01:12:00,400
Speaker 1: of course, which was not maritime law. That was usual.

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01:12:00,680 --> 01:12:04,880
Speaker 1: Oh generally it was every man for himself. Oh yeah,

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01:12:05,040 --> 01:12:09,080
Speaker 1: so so that's happening. The string quartet is playing. Rose

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01:12:09,240 --> 01:12:12,880
Speaker 1: is about to get on a lifeboat with her mom

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01:12:13,280 --> 01:12:17,400
Speaker 1: and Molly and the other rich women, and then Cal

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01:12:17,640 --> 01:12:22,920
Speaker 1: says something very cow and shitty is this one? He says,

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01:12:22,960 --> 01:12:24,800
Speaker 1: I should have kept that drawing. It would have been

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01:12:24,920 --> 01:12:28,400
Speaker 1: worth a lot more by morning. Yeah, and so once

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01:12:28,439 --> 01:12:31,880
Speaker 1: again she's like, fuck this. She says my favorite line

1178
01:12:31,920 --> 01:12:35,479
Speaker 1: of the movie to Cal, which is you unimaginable bastard,

1179
01:12:35,880 --> 01:12:41,240
Speaker 1: you bits in his face. Kate winslet baby, Oh, it

1180
01:12:41,280 --> 01:12:44,280
Speaker 1: wouldn't have worked with it with a hairpin. Grow up right. Oh,

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01:12:44,439 --> 01:12:47,280
Speaker 1: it's so good the way she does it, it's so cathartic,

1182
01:12:47,400 --> 01:12:51,240
Speaker 1: it's wonderful. And then she runs off to go find Jack,

1183
01:12:51,479 --> 01:12:55,080
Speaker 1: who is still handcuffed to a pipe and the room

1184
01:12:55,160 --> 01:12:58,800
Speaker 1: that he's in is filling with water. Rose finds him,

1185
01:12:59,240 --> 01:13:01,760
Speaker 1: but oh no, there's no key to the handcuffs, so

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01:13:02,080 --> 01:13:07,240
Speaker 1: she goes and gets an axe. She chops the handcuff chain,

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01:13:08,360 --> 01:13:11,200
Speaker 1: freeing him, and then they have to swim through the

1188
01:13:11,240 --> 01:13:14,920
Speaker 1: freezing cold water back to safety. Jack and Rose then

1189
01:13:15,200 --> 01:13:19,880
Speaker 1: link up with fabrit Ceo and Tommy. They're still below deck.

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01:13:19,960 --> 01:13:24,360
Speaker 1: Wait at this point, has she already punched the employee

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01:13:24,400 --> 01:13:28,400
Speaker 1: in the face. Yes, she does that right before she

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01:13:28,920 --> 01:13:31,719
Speaker 1: finds the axe. Right, Okay. I wanted to just share

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01:13:31,720 --> 01:13:35,000
Speaker 1: a quick anecdote about that before we get because the

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01:13:35,479 --> 01:13:38,880
Speaker 1: third class fact that is like included in the movie

1195
01:13:39,040 --> 01:13:42,400
Speaker 1: is that in the movie, it's like Tommy runs the

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01:13:42,640 --> 01:13:46,439
Speaker 1: charge of like the bench through the Yea. So apparently

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01:13:46,520 --> 01:13:48,560
Speaker 1: that actually did happen, and there was a bunch of

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Speaker 1: Irish third class passengers who did something very similar, which

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Speaker 1: I didn't know. I thought that was really cool that

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01:13:53,960 --> 01:13:59,200
Speaker 1: they included that, but I wanted to share fun. James

1201
01:13:59,320 --> 01:14:03,120
Speaker 1: Cameron another just James Cameron sitting in a room talking line,

1202
01:14:03,760 --> 01:14:06,880
Speaker 1: because again he talks about all of his characters as

1203
01:14:06,920 --> 01:14:09,720
Speaker 1: if someone else has written them, but in a way

1204
01:14:09,760 --> 01:14:12,719
Speaker 1: where it's like he really likes the movie, he enjoys

1205
01:14:12,800 --> 01:14:17,760
Speaker 1: watching it. So after Rose whatever, when Rose is coming

1206
01:14:17,840 --> 01:14:20,160
Speaker 1: back down looking for the axe and there's like a

1207
01:14:20,280 --> 01:14:22,040
Speaker 1: panicked employee, he's like, you have to come with me,

1208
01:14:22,120 --> 01:14:25,679
Speaker 1: and she punches him in the face. James Cameron says,

1209
01:14:25,800 --> 01:14:28,760
Speaker 1: quote Rose is all about getting people to listen to her,

1210
01:14:29,240 --> 01:14:33,080
Speaker 1: and that's what you get, long pause if you don't

1211
01:14:33,479 --> 01:14:37,759
Speaker 1: listen to Rose. He's kind of he's kind of talking

1212
01:14:37,800 --> 01:14:40,240
Speaker 1: about nothing for most of it. But I was just

1213
01:14:40,560 --> 01:14:43,599
Speaker 1: I was so delighted. I was like, you just sound

1214
01:14:43,680 --> 01:14:47,920
Speaker 1: like a guy watching the movie. I mean, I imagine

1215
01:14:47,960 --> 01:14:52,760
Speaker 1: it's very difficult to have to comment basically NonStop during

1216
01:14:52,840 --> 01:14:56,320
Speaker 1: a three hour and fourteen minute movie, but you just

1217
01:14:56,960 --> 01:14:59,400
Speaker 1: insisted on doing it by himself, Like I'm just like,

1218
01:14:59,479 --> 01:15:02,280
Speaker 1: why didn't you just like invite a second purse? You know,

1219
01:15:02,680 --> 01:15:05,960
Speaker 1: why are there fourteen people on one commentary track and

1220
01:15:06,040 --> 01:15:08,880
Speaker 1: then you doing this for the other one. Yeah, but

1221
01:15:09,400 --> 01:15:12,840
Speaker 1: it was but it was literally just like random things

1222
01:15:12,920 --> 01:15:15,639
Speaker 1: like that. And then just like facts James Cameron knows

1223
01:15:15,720 --> 01:15:18,560
Speaker 1: about the Titanic because ultimately that is why he did it.

1224
01:15:19,720 --> 01:15:22,920
Speaker 1: He really just wanted an excuse to go explore the

1225
01:15:23,000 --> 01:15:27,519
Speaker 1: wreckage of Titanic, and that is why the movie exists. Dude,

1226
01:15:27,720 --> 01:15:29,800
Speaker 1: I respect the hell out of that as like, as

1227
01:15:29,880 --> 01:15:33,519
Speaker 1: someone who has made their living just like getting other

1228
01:15:33,640 --> 01:15:35,600
Speaker 1: people to pay for things that I wanted to do

1229
01:15:35,760 --> 01:15:39,479
Speaker 1: anyways and then making something about it. It is the

1230
01:15:39,560 --> 01:15:44,320
Speaker 1: perfect crime. Pretty cool. Yeah, works for everyone. Okay, So

1231
01:15:45,120 --> 01:15:48,559
Speaker 1: Jack and Rose link up with Fabrizio and Tommy. They

1232
01:15:48,680 --> 01:15:51,599
Speaker 1: are still below deck because while the first class people

1233
01:15:51,800 --> 01:15:56,000
Speaker 1: are being loaded onto the lifeboats, the third class passengers

1234
01:15:56,200 --> 01:16:01,760
Speaker 1: are being locked behind gates. So Jack and Tommy and

1235
01:16:01,880 --> 01:16:06,240
Speaker 1: the other guys break down a gate back on deck.

1236
01:16:06,720 --> 01:16:09,520
Speaker 1: It's chaos as people are trying to get on lifeboats

1237
01:16:10,240 --> 01:16:14,840
Speaker 1: because there are famously not enough. Jack gets Rose to

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01:16:15,000 --> 01:16:18,000
Speaker 1: a lifeboat and kl is there and he's like, I've

1239
01:16:18,080 --> 01:16:20,920
Speaker 1: arranged for both Jack and I to get on a boat.

1240
01:16:21,640 --> 01:16:25,240
Speaker 1: So she's like, okay, I'll get on this lifeboat. But

1241
01:16:25,360 --> 01:16:28,200
Speaker 1: then she looks up at Jack and once again she's

1242
01:16:28,240 --> 01:16:31,439
Speaker 1: like fuck this and she jumps and then Billy Zanne

1243
01:16:31,439 --> 01:16:34,880
Speaker 1: gives another one of my like top ten line reads

1244
01:16:34,920 --> 01:16:37,519
Speaker 1: of the movie. He's pretty heavily featured in my top

1245
01:16:37,600 --> 01:16:40,639
Speaker 1: ten line reads. He goes one way or another. By

1246
01:16:40,680 --> 01:16:42,320
Speaker 1: the way he says one way or another, I'm like,

1247
01:16:42,680 --> 01:16:45,439
Speaker 1: how did you even do that? With your mouth? I

1248
01:16:45,520 --> 01:16:48,920
Speaker 1: always win Jack one way or another? He says one

1249
01:16:48,960 --> 01:16:50,880
Speaker 1: way or another as if it is like a single word,

1250
01:16:51,040 --> 01:16:54,560
Speaker 1: Like you're just like, how did he do that? That

1251
01:16:54,760 --> 01:16:59,120
Speaker 1: is so well? Okay, quick thing about DiCaprio that based

1252
01:16:59,200 --> 01:17:03,560
Speaker 1: on because we've covered a number of Leonardo DiCaprio flimsy

1253
01:17:03,840 --> 01:17:07,320
Speaker 1: on this podcast. We I believe it was the summer

1254
01:17:07,320 --> 01:17:09,760
Speaker 1: of twenty twenty. I remember where it was when we

1255
01:17:10,560 --> 01:17:15,040
Speaker 1: covered Inception, and we bravely made the connection that Leonardo

1256
01:17:15,080 --> 01:17:19,200
Speaker 1: DiCaprio is constantly wet in clothes in his movies all

1257
01:17:19,240 --> 01:17:23,040
Speaker 1: the time. It happens with alarming frequency. It happens in

1258
01:17:23,120 --> 01:17:25,439
Speaker 1: almost every single one. It's kind of like it's in

1259
01:17:25,560 --> 01:17:28,640
Speaker 1: his contract or something like I have to be in

1260
01:17:29,040 --> 01:17:34,080
Speaker 1: clothes submerged in water. So imagine my shock when I'm

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Speaker 1: listening to the producer slash everybody Who's not James Cameron

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Speaker 1: commentary track that like, Leonardo DiCaprio is glaringly missing. He

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Speaker 1: was not available. He was inside of a bear or

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Speaker 1: whatever he was doing. Like yeah, but producer John Landau says,

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Speaker 1: very matter of factly, Leonardo DiCaprio hates acting in the water.

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Speaker 1: And I was like, wow, that's a shock from all

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Speaker 1: of his movies. And then Kate Winslet jumps onto that

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Speaker 1: and says that he was such a baby every time

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Speaker 1: he had to be in the water, and she I

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Speaker 1: think she was like a little she sounded ten years

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Speaker 1: later annoyed about it because she was just like She's like,

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Speaker 1: and it's just interesting because you know, he was in

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Speaker 1: the water for a lot of scenes, but not even

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Speaker 1: half as many scenes as I was in the water,

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Speaker 1: and I got hypothermia and I just like kind of

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Speaker 1: really didn't complain as much as he did on set.

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Speaker 1: But apparently, like even though the water scenes were interesting

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01:18:32,800 --> 01:18:35,000
Speaker 1: to hear about again, it's like Kate Winslet is just

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Speaker 1: like left in the fucking trenches in this because in

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Speaker 1: spite of not lighting king to act in the water.

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Speaker 1: Leonardo DiCaprio is scuba certified for some reason. Okay, probably

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01:18:44,439 --> 01:18:48,120
Speaker 1: because he's in the water all the time even before

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Speaker 1: this movie, so he's already scuba certified. But Kate Winslet,

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Speaker 1: there's like an anecdote in the scene where they're trying

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Speaker 1: to unlock the gate so that they don't drown. Yes,

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Speaker 1: in that scene, Kate Winslet had like a panic attack

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Speaker 1: on set because they were filling the set with water

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01:19:05,040 --> 01:19:07,840
Speaker 1: like practical effects style, and so there were only a

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Speaker 1: couple of inches to breathe. But to James Cameron's credit,

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01:19:12,200 --> 01:19:14,560
Speaker 1: like it seems like he did everything he could to

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Speaker 1: set up safety protocols and like there were rescue divers,

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Speaker 1: Like no one was significantly injured or died. It sounds

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01:19:21,800 --> 01:19:23,639
Speaker 1: like the PCP thing was about as bad as it got.

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01:19:24,200 --> 01:19:27,960
Speaker 1: But like the safety instructor showed Kate Winslett, like it

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01:19:28,320 --> 01:19:30,640
Speaker 1: is gonna feel scary because there only will be a

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01:19:30,680 --> 01:19:32,960
Speaker 1: couple of inches to breathe. But if you push up

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01:19:33,000 --> 01:19:35,600
Speaker 1: on the ceiling, there is a ton of space and

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01:19:35,720 --> 01:19:38,280
Speaker 1: you're fine, and that was like how the scene was

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01:19:38,320 --> 01:19:41,040
Speaker 1: set up, and so she felt comfortable with that. But

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01:19:41,200 --> 01:19:45,240
Speaker 1: then it happened that, like when they were doing a take,

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01:19:45,520 --> 01:19:47,920
Speaker 1: she pushed up on the scene and the ceiling stuck

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01:19:48,840 --> 01:19:52,080
Speaker 1: and so there was not infinite space and she had

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01:19:52,160 --> 01:19:54,640
Speaker 1: like a panic attack. And then like I had to

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01:19:55,200 --> 01:19:58,439
Speaker 1: take some time during the day like, yeah, I know,

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01:19:58,760 --> 01:20:02,559
Speaker 1: it just this movie sounded like it sounded like everything

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01:20:02,680 --> 01:20:06,639
Speaker 1: was done that was possible, but still it's like you're

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01:20:06,680 --> 01:20:10,960
Speaker 1: sinking a boat every day. It just sounded terrible. Yeah,

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01:20:11,400 --> 01:20:15,760
Speaker 1: I could not. Sorry, I was looking through our Instagram

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01:20:15,840 --> 01:20:18,439
Speaker 1: to find the post that we made of all of

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01:20:18,600 --> 01:20:22,800
Speaker 1: the like screen grabs from movies where Leonardo DiCaprio was

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Speaker 1: in water. He had been in water many times at

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Speaker 1: this point. The fact that he's still complaining about it

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Speaker 1: is unprofessional. And many times after Oh yeah, because we've

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Speaker 1: got Inception obviously Titanic, the Beach, Shutter, Island, Great gats Be,

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01:20:38,720 --> 01:20:40,800
Speaker 1: Romeo and Juliet. He's in the water, is he not

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01:20:40,960 --> 01:20:43,720
Speaker 1: Romeo and Juliet? That was pretty Titanic. He falls in

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Speaker 1: a pool in Wolf of Wall Street, he's in water.

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Speaker 1: In the Revenant, he falls into water and what's eat

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01:20:49,720 --> 01:20:52,800
Speaker 1: and Gilbert Grape. It's just like he's always in water,

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01:20:52,960 --> 01:20:56,720
Speaker 1: and he's always in his clothes in water. It's honestly, like,

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Speaker 1: with that in mind, it's absolutely shocking that Kate Winslet

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Speaker 1: is an avatar way of water and he isn't right, Like,

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Speaker 1: if there's anyone who's primed for being in the water,

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01:21:09,920 --> 01:21:13,439
Speaker 1: it's dicapria. But apparently I was just I was truly

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01:21:13,560 --> 01:21:15,800
Speaker 1: like shocked into Paul to hear that he didn't like it,

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01:21:16,200 --> 01:21:19,120
Speaker 1: because not to empathize with him, because who cares, but

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01:21:19,200 --> 01:21:22,600
Speaker 1: you're also like, wow, if he really truly doesn't like

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01:21:22,720 --> 01:21:27,880
Speaker 1: acting in water, his life is a nightmare. Like he

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01:21:28,160 --> 01:21:29,840
Speaker 1: literally does he know he's going to be in the

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Speaker 1: water for another fifteen years minimum, you know, like they're

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01:21:34,800 --> 01:21:36,280
Speaker 1: not going to take him out of the tank. Like

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01:21:37,040 --> 01:21:39,519
Speaker 1: I assumed he liked being in the water or why

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01:21:39,560 --> 01:21:42,280
Speaker 1: would this be happening to him so much? But apparently

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01:21:42,400 --> 01:21:45,880
Speaker 1: as of ninety seven, he did not like being the water.

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01:21:45,960 --> 01:21:48,240
Speaker 1: He was peeing in the water, he was complaining about

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01:21:48,280 --> 01:21:51,880
Speaker 1: the water. Blizzard starving to death off screen. Who knows

1337
01:21:51,920 --> 01:22:01,240
Speaker 1: what's going on with Blizzard Blizzard the Lizard Blizzard the Lizard. Yeah, okay,

1338
01:22:01,400 --> 01:22:05,000
Speaker 1: so roses in this lifeboat. But then she's looking up

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01:22:05,040 --> 01:22:08,640
Speaker 1: at Jack and she's like, actually, no, I'm going to

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01:22:08,760 --> 01:22:12,559
Speaker 1: jump off the lifeboat, jump onto Titanic and be with Jack.

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01:22:12,640 --> 01:22:14,439
Speaker 1: And then she and Jack are running toward each other

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01:22:15,240 --> 01:22:18,360
Speaker 1: and they so much meet up, and then they're kissing

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01:22:18,880 --> 01:22:22,280
Speaker 1: and so beautiful. She's like, you jump by jump and

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01:22:22,400 --> 01:22:27,600
Speaker 1: he's like, yeah, God, they're so ridiculous. I really I

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01:22:27,760 --> 01:22:33,559
Speaker 1: really love them. That sequence never doesn't get me big time. See,

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01:22:33,640 --> 01:22:36,679
Speaker 1: I'm just like, romance is dead. I have no feelings

1347
01:22:36,920 --> 01:22:40,800
Speaker 1: and I only have feelings as ruined my life. It

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01:22:40,960 --> 01:22:43,080
Speaker 1: gets me every time. If you want to feel some

1349
01:22:43,280 --> 01:22:46,360
Speaker 1: technical distance from it. There's a fun they had to

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01:22:46,439 --> 01:22:50,760
Speaker 1: like shoot that upshot of Leonardo DiCaprio, like when the

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01:22:50,880 --> 01:22:53,400
Speaker 1: boat is lowering from both angles, because they only have

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01:22:53,520 --> 01:22:56,599
Speaker 1: one side of the boat right and so apparently there's

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01:22:56,640 --> 01:23:00,120
Speaker 1: a few cuts in the back and forth where or

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01:23:00,200 --> 01:23:04,080
Speaker 1: DiCaprio's part will shift just so because so much of

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01:23:04,160 --> 01:23:06,439
Speaker 1: this movie was shot in reverse, that I sent to

1356
01:23:06,479 --> 01:23:08,920
Speaker 1: you something that I think should be back to cast

1357
01:23:09,080 --> 01:23:13,800
Speaker 1: merch where something that wasn't completely symmetrical in its costuming

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01:23:14,000 --> 01:23:17,280
Speaker 1: or whatever it was, such as lettering lettering, so like

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01:23:17,360 --> 01:23:19,960
Speaker 1: a White star Line uniform that says white star Line.

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01:23:20,479 --> 01:23:23,240
Speaker 1: They would have to shoot it not but for certain

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01:23:23,280 --> 01:23:25,880
Speaker 1: scenes they would have to shoot it with a regular costume,

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01:23:25,880 --> 01:23:27,280
Speaker 1: and then they would also have to shoot it with

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01:23:27,520 --> 01:23:31,000
Speaker 1: a costume that just everything backwards, because they're like, oh,

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01:23:31,040 --> 01:23:33,200
Speaker 1: well this is for this side of the boat, so

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01:23:33,760 --> 01:23:36,160
Speaker 1: we're just going to reverse shot everything, so this will

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01:23:36,200 --> 01:23:40,040
Speaker 1: make things easier. And I want a backwards White star

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01:23:40,120 --> 01:23:44,519
Speaker 1: Line sweatshirt so bad. I really you can design that,

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01:23:44,920 --> 01:23:47,679
Speaker 1: I know, and I feel like our listeners will value

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01:23:47,720 --> 01:23:49,880
Speaker 1: it as well, and it's it's the best kind of

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01:23:49,920 --> 01:23:54,080
Speaker 1: piece of clothing because it's like a little annoying but

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01:23:54,360 --> 01:23:57,640
Speaker 1: not too annoying, which is my favorite, my favorite, and

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Speaker 1: it's like when you know, you know, yeah, And it's

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01:23:59,760 --> 01:24:03,000
Speaker 1: also a conversation starter. But if you don't like, that's

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01:24:03,080 --> 01:24:07,800
Speaker 1: fine and I'll keep walking. Yeah, I'm an adult, right, Okay.

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01:24:07,920 --> 01:24:10,840
Speaker 1: So Rose has jumped off the lifeboat and met back

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01:24:10,920 --> 01:24:14,599
Speaker 1: up with Jack, which makes cal Very upset that Rose

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01:24:15,000 --> 01:24:18,000
Speaker 1: chose Jack over him. I hope you're all happy together.

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01:24:18,880 --> 01:24:22,640
Speaker 1: He grabs love Joy's gun and starts shooting at them,

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01:24:23,040 --> 01:24:25,040
Speaker 1: so they have to escape and run back down into

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01:24:25,080 --> 01:24:29,040
Speaker 1: the bowels of the ship which are very full of water,

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01:24:29,600 --> 01:24:32,720
Speaker 1: and there's this little boy that Jack and Rose try

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01:24:32,840 --> 01:24:36,519
Speaker 1: to save. They almost get trapped behind another gate, but

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01:24:36,640 --> 01:24:38,519
Speaker 1: they make it out at the last second. Quick thing

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01:24:38,560 --> 01:24:41,600
Speaker 1: about the little boy that was shot obviously so that

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01:24:42,000 --> 01:24:44,519
Speaker 1: there was no little boy stunt double that was knocked

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01:24:44,560 --> 01:24:47,599
Speaker 1: over by fifty thousand tons of water, But in any case,

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01:24:47,880 --> 01:24:49,560
Speaker 1: like the way that that scene was shot, I just

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01:24:49,600 --> 01:24:52,920
Speaker 1: thought it was so interesting where in that scene a

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01:24:53,080 --> 01:24:56,519
Speaker 1: stunt man and a little dummy of a little boy

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01:24:57,040 --> 01:24:59,280
Speaker 1: are knocked over by a ton of water, and then

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01:24:59,760 --> 01:25:02,200
Speaker 1: the cast off of that water, like a ton of water,

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01:25:02,320 --> 01:25:05,880
Speaker 1: also hits Jack and Rose. That shot is one of

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01:25:05,960 --> 01:25:11,400
Speaker 1: the first face swapping like deep fake shots ever committed

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01:25:11,439 --> 01:25:15,360
Speaker 1: to film. That is not the actors, that's their stunt doubles,

1395
01:25:15,400 --> 01:25:18,200
Speaker 1: because it was like, you couldn't ask an actor to

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01:25:18,280 --> 01:25:20,799
Speaker 1: be hit with that amount of force. Those are stunt doubles.

1397
01:25:20,840 --> 01:25:25,519
Speaker 1: And yeah, Leonardo DiCaprio and Caitlin's let's face Our Deep

1398
01:25:25,600 --> 01:25:28,760
Speaker 1: faked onto that and I watched it to try to

1399
01:25:28,840 --> 01:25:31,439
Speaker 1: see if, like how obvious it was. It didn't feel

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01:25:31,479 --> 01:25:33,680
Speaker 1: super obvious to me. But I think we should go

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01:25:33,760 --> 01:25:35,920
Speaker 1: back and watch it together sometime. But apparently that's like

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01:25:36,000 --> 01:25:39,760
Speaker 1: one of the first deep fake shots ever done. Interesting,

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01:25:40,320 --> 01:25:43,639
Speaker 1: I know it's mild. Well, Jamie come over literally whenever

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01:25:43,760 --> 01:25:47,160
Speaker 1: to watch Titanic. I mean, like we will probably watch

1405
01:25:47,200 --> 01:25:51,000
Speaker 1: it on tour and then also at the movies. The movies. Yeah,

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01:25:51,439 --> 01:25:54,479
Speaker 1: we come to this place for Titanic. Oh baby, we'll

1407
01:25:54,640 --> 01:25:58,280
Speaker 1: go into that place to laugh, to cry, to watch Titanic.

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01:25:58,400 --> 01:26:02,400
Speaker 1: We are going to that place, okay. Meanwhile, cal is

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01:26:02,520 --> 01:26:05,680
Speaker 1: trying to get on a lifeboat and he uses a

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01:26:05,880 --> 01:26:09,680
Speaker 1: lost child as an excuse to get on. I have

1411
01:26:09,760 --> 01:26:17,320
Speaker 1: a child, so iconic. Nearby, Captain E. J. Smith is disassociating, yes,

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01:26:17,439 --> 01:26:21,160
Speaker 1: which is a creative choice by Bernard Hill. Mmmmmm. Interesting.

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01:26:21,800 --> 01:26:25,280
Speaker 1: The band stops playing, but then one of them keeps

1414
01:26:25,320 --> 01:26:27,479
Speaker 1: playing by himself, and then they all joined back in

1415
01:26:28,040 --> 01:26:31,920
Speaker 1: It's beautiful. Then there's this montage where you see the

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01:26:32,000 --> 01:26:35,320
Speaker 1: old couple in bed together is a door Strauss and

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01:26:36,640 --> 01:26:40,200
Speaker 1: his wife real people, yes, In the scene with the

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01:26:40,320 --> 01:26:45,400
Speaker 1: Irish woman and her children, that is we've talked about

1419
01:26:45,439 --> 01:26:49,200
Speaker 1: this before. That was an actor named I don't remember,

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01:26:49,760 --> 01:26:53,080
Speaker 1: but she was like a James Cameron you stand by character.

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01:26:53,280 --> 01:26:56,760
Speaker 1: She had previously acted in brown face for him, which

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01:26:56,840 --> 01:27:01,200
Speaker 1: is alien. We had that discussion in Aliens our Aliens episode.

1423
01:27:01,560 --> 01:27:04,720
Speaker 1: But fun fact for Titanic, I feel like it is

1424
01:27:04,960 --> 01:27:07,799
Speaker 1: very very well remembered that she talks to her children

1425
01:27:07,840 --> 01:27:12,360
Speaker 1: about the land of tier Nanogue and an Irish folktale,

1426
01:27:12,920 --> 01:27:15,439
Speaker 1: and she came up with that that was not a

1427
01:27:15,600 --> 01:27:20,800
Speaker 1: James Cameron original. That was her doing research on a

1428
01:27:20,920 --> 01:27:23,360
Speaker 1: bedtime story that an Irish woman of that time would

1429
01:27:23,360 --> 01:27:26,439
Speaker 1: have told her kids, which I thought was really sweet cool,

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01:27:26,880 --> 01:27:30,760
Speaker 1: that was nice. Yes, um, Okay, so we seeah, we

1431
01:27:30,840 --> 01:27:34,040
Speaker 1: see the old couple, We see the Irish mummy with

1432
01:27:34,200 --> 01:27:39,879
Speaker 1: her kids. We see all this chaos continuing to ensue

1433
01:27:40,280 --> 01:27:43,719
Speaker 1: as half of the boat is now completely underwater. People

1434
01:27:43,800 --> 01:27:47,160
Speaker 1: are falling off the ship into the water. The captain's

1435
01:27:47,240 --> 01:27:53,120
Speaker 1: room floods, a smokestack falls over and crushes for Brizzio. Okay,

1436
01:27:53,240 --> 01:27:55,880
Speaker 1: quick thing there. I'm sorry. I know we've been recording

1437
01:27:55,920 --> 01:27:59,920
Speaker 1: this for nine hundred years. It's been eighty four years. Yes, okay,

1438
01:28:00,760 --> 01:28:04,280
Speaker 1: So are you aware of the alternate Fabrizio death? Yes,

1439
01:28:04,320 --> 01:28:07,000
Speaker 1: because it's in the screenplay. Okay, So I just wanted

1440
01:28:07,040 --> 01:28:10,800
Speaker 1: to rehash it Fabrizio. Apparently it was shot so that

1441
01:28:10,960 --> 01:28:14,000
Speaker 1: they had multiple options for Fabrizio to die, so by

1442
01:28:14,040 --> 01:28:17,360
Speaker 1: the time between the script and the shooting, they were like,

1443
01:28:17,680 --> 01:28:20,240
Speaker 1: we're not sure. We know this character is gonna die,

1444
01:28:20,960 --> 01:28:24,719
Speaker 1: We're not sure how. Danny Nucci had some fun quotes

1445
01:28:24,720 --> 01:28:27,519
Speaker 1: about it. He was just like, I died five or

1446
01:28:27,560 --> 01:28:29,439
Speaker 1: six different times, and then I just had to go

1447
01:28:29,520 --> 01:28:32,160
Speaker 1: see the movie and see what they chose. Wow, because

1448
01:28:32,240 --> 01:28:34,960
Speaker 1: in the original, like the smokestack is cged in, so

1449
01:28:35,240 --> 01:28:38,080
Speaker 1: like that shot very easily could have been him being like,

1450
01:28:38,200 --> 01:28:44,559
Speaker 1: oh no, it's so wet, or like whatever. You know. Okay,

1451
01:28:44,640 --> 01:28:46,759
Speaker 1: this did sound familiar, so you've probably told me before,

1452
01:28:46,840 --> 01:28:49,439
Speaker 1: but it was just like fun to revisit. There is

1453
01:28:49,479 --> 01:28:53,120
Speaker 1: a version of it that they shot that I haven't

1454
01:28:53,360 --> 01:28:57,720
Speaker 1: seen before, but I'm sure he's just somewhere of Fabrizio

1455
01:28:58,360 --> 01:29:03,800
Speaker 1: gets out of the wreck, paddles over to the lifeboat.

1456
01:29:03,840 --> 01:29:08,320
Speaker 1: The cal is in gets up and says, you don't understand,

1457
01:29:08,560 --> 01:29:11,360
Speaker 1: I have to go to a medica, like in his

1458
01:29:11,520 --> 01:29:16,439
Speaker 1: Italian accent, that's definitely real. Whatever, and then cal wax

1459
01:29:16,560 --> 01:29:20,280
Speaker 1: him with an oar on the head and says it's

1460
01:29:20,400 --> 01:29:23,760
Speaker 1: that way and that's how he dies. He dies via

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01:29:23,960 --> 01:29:28,240
Speaker 1: blunt trauma with Cal, and I think that everyone decided

1462
01:29:28,320 --> 01:29:32,200
Speaker 1: that like Cal was maybe bad enough already and that

1463
01:29:32,560 --> 01:29:36,360
Speaker 1: was maybe not need to commit murder, even though he

1464
01:29:36,400 --> 01:29:40,559
Speaker 1: already tried to murder his fiancee and Jack Um, Yeah,

1465
01:29:40,920 --> 01:29:44,360
Speaker 1: he was bad enough, But that was, like, I just

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01:29:44,840 --> 01:29:47,960
Speaker 1: was wild. I think I had forgotten about that and

1467
01:29:48,200 --> 01:29:50,840
Speaker 1: it was a wild thing to revisit. That's the version

1468
01:29:51,280 --> 01:29:55,639
Speaker 1: that's in the draft of the screenplay that's readily available. Okay,

1469
01:29:55,640 --> 01:29:58,439
Speaker 1: if you download the screenplay of Titanic, which you can

1470
01:29:58,520 --> 01:30:04,400
Speaker 1: find online. It's very similar to the finished movie that

1471
01:30:04,479 --> 01:30:07,360
Speaker 1: we all know and love, but there are a few scenes,

1472
01:30:08,080 --> 01:30:11,759
Speaker 1: such as the Fabrizio death scene, that are pretty different

1473
01:30:11,960 --> 01:30:14,920
Speaker 1: in this version of the script than what ends up

1474
01:30:15,000 --> 01:30:17,560
Speaker 1: in the movie. But yeah, that's the version of his

1475
01:30:17,720 --> 01:30:22,960
Speaker 1: death that is in that draft of the script. Pretty funny. Yeah, yeah,

1476
01:30:23,400 --> 01:30:29,080
Speaker 1: So Fabrizio tragically dies via smoke stuck. Also, Tommy had

1477
01:30:29,320 --> 01:30:31,680
Speaker 1: been shot a while back. I didn't put that in

1478
01:30:32,160 --> 01:30:36,599
Speaker 1: when it actually happened. Yeah, Jack and Rose are running

1479
01:30:36,760 --> 01:30:40,160
Speaker 1: to the other end of the ship the stern, trying

1480
01:30:40,200 --> 01:30:42,840
Speaker 1: to stay on the ship as long as possible, and

1481
01:30:43,080 --> 01:30:45,120
Speaker 1: Rose is like Jack. This is where we first met

1482
01:30:48,160 --> 01:30:51,920
Speaker 1: Kate for those scenes because they were like chained or

1483
01:30:52,040 --> 01:30:55,519
Speaker 1: like harnessed to the side of the boat. Like there

1484
01:30:55,600 --> 01:30:57,679
Speaker 1: was like a set that was called like the rotating

1485
01:30:57,760 --> 01:31:01,200
Speaker 1: poop deck for like those ending scenes where it would

1486
01:31:01,240 --> 01:31:04,200
Speaker 1: just be like mechanically up and down. But it was

1487
01:31:04,280 --> 01:31:07,679
Speaker 1: so difficult to navigate that Kate Winslet took it upon

1488
01:31:07,760 --> 01:31:12,160
Speaker 1: herself again icon to put like basically a full makeup

1489
01:31:12,280 --> 01:31:15,599
Speaker 1: kit in the pocket of her the big jacket where

1490
01:31:15,640 --> 01:31:17,600
Speaker 1: the heart of the ocean is supposed to be, and

1491
01:31:17,760 --> 01:31:23,160
Speaker 1: she would do her makeup touchups and Leonardo DiCaprio's makeup

1492
01:31:23,240 --> 01:31:26,160
Speaker 1: touchups so that a makeup artist wouldn't have to get

1493
01:31:26,240 --> 01:31:30,519
Speaker 1: like harnessed up onto the boat to fix them before shots.

1494
01:31:31,240 --> 01:31:34,679
Speaker 1: She's the best. She rocks, I know, She's so cool.

1495
01:31:35,160 --> 01:31:41,439
Speaker 1: Love it, brock, love it Okay. The stern. The stern

1496
01:31:42,000 --> 01:31:46,080
Speaker 1: is rising up and up as the bow sinks. This

1497
01:31:46,320 --> 01:31:48,639
Speaker 1: is when a guy falls off the ship and hits

1498
01:31:48,680 --> 01:31:52,639
Speaker 1: the propeller and spins, which everyone I cannot even count. Yeah,

1499
01:31:52,640 --> 01:31:55,160
Speaker 1: how many people I've been like I love the movie

1500
01:31:55,200 --> 01:31:58,040
Speaker 1: Titanic and someone will be like, wow, the only thing

1501
01:31:58,080 --> 01:31:59,800
Speaker 1: I remember from that movie is when the guy hits

1502
01:31:59,840 --> 01:32:03,320
Speaker 1: the propeller. We talked about this very briefly in our

1503
01:32:03,320 --> 01:32:07,240
Speaker 1: Avatar episode where like when push comes to shove, James

1504
01:32:07,360 --> 01:32:11,080
Speaker 1: Cameron knows how to kill someone in an interesting way, Yeah,

1505
01:32:11,400 --> 01:32:15,200
Speaker 1: because I didn't because Avatar. I think this is not

1506
01:32:15,360 --> 01:32:17,680
Speaker 1: controversial at all, but like it's just like not as

1507
01:32:17,800 --> 01:32:21,680
Speaker 1: memorable a movie as Titanic is, But there are a

1508
01:32:21,760 --> 01:32:25,080
Speaker 1: number of kills at the peak of Avatar's action that

1509
01:32:25,160 --> 01:32:30,439
Speaker 1: are equally like oh my god, what Like people are

1510
01:32:30,479 --> 01:32:34,360
Speaker 1: being ripped in a half and you're just like, holy shit, Like, yeah,

1511
01:32:34,560 --> 01:32:38,200
Speaker 1: when when the moment comes, he is not afraid to

1512
01:32:38,600 --> 01:32:42,799
Speaker 1: really let people die, I mean, the guilty and the innocent,

1513
01:32:42,960 --> 01:32:45,559
Speaker 1: because it's not like I mean, at least an Avatar,

1514
01:32:45,600 --> 01:32:49,520
Speaker 1: it's a little more cathartic because it's like the colonizers,

1515
01:32:49,680 --> 01:32:52,240
Speaker 1: so they're asking for it, they're asking to be torn

1516
01:32:52,320 --> 01:32:56,240
Speaker 1: in half. Propeller guy, I mean, tell me what he

1517
01:32:56,400 --> 01:32:59,280
Speaker 1: did wrong? We don't know, we don't know, we don't

1518
01:32:59,280 --> 01:33:02,960
Speaker 1: know who that is. Can you imagine how horrific? I mean,

1519
01:33:03,040 --> 01:33:05,120
Speaker 1: I don't think this would be the stronger creative choice,

1520
01:33:05,160 --> 01:33:09,519
Speaker 1: but like in a world where we had met like

1521
01:33:09,640 --> 01:33:12,080
Speaker 1: there had been some plant in payoff with Propeller guy,

1522
01:33:12,320 --> 01:33:15,640
Speaker 1: like we had met him before. Oh my god, I

1523
01:33:15,720 --> 01:33:20,040
Speaker 1: would be devastated. Yeah, yeah, I know. I know. Fabrizio's

1524
01:33:20,080 --> 01:33:24,600
Speaker 1: girlfriend she's nuked. Yeah, you know, she got on the

1525
01:33:24,680 --> 01:33:28,000
Speaker 1: wrong side of the rails. Sorry, babe, it's so sad.

1526
01:33:28,479 --> 01:33:32,000
Speaker 1: It's sad. M okay. Then the ship breaks in half

1527
01:33:32,439 --> 01:33:37,719
Speaker 1: and the back half of the ship sinks and Rose

1528
01:33:37,960 --> 01:33:40,519
Speaker 1: and Jack end up in the water among hundreds of

1529
01:33:40,600 --> 01:33:45,479
Speaker 1: other people. They swim over to a door and they

1530
01:33:45,520 --> 01:33:48,519
Speaker 1: both try to get on it. It flips over because

1531
01:33:48,560 --> 01:33:50,639
Speaker 1: it's not about size, it's about BWENI as we've said,

1532
01:33:51,640 --> 01:33:56,400
Speaker 1: so just Rose ends up on the door. Jack is

1533
01:33:56,439 --> 01:33:59,280
Speaker 1: in the freezing water. They are waiting for the lifeboats

1534
01:33:59,320 --> 01:34:01,679
Speaker 1: to come back and save the people in the water.

1535
01:34:02,560 --> 01:34:06,000
Speaker 1: Rose is like, I'm really cold and I can't feel

1536
01:34:06,040 --> 01:34:08,240
Speaker 1: my body and I feel like I might die. And

1537
01:34:08,400 --> 01:34:10,760
Speaker 1: Jack is like, You're not going to die here. You're

1538
01:34:10,800 --> 01:34:14,760
Speaker 1: going to live a full life. Promise me you'll do that,

1539
01:34:14,960 --> 01:34:17,639
Speaker 1: and never let go of that promise, almost like that's

1540
01:34:17,680 --> 01:34:19,360
Speaker 1: setting it up for a scene that's going to happen

1541
01:34:19,400 --> 01:34:22,320
Speaker 1: shortly where she does that and then she dies and

1542
01:34:22,520 --> 01:34:25,400
Speaker 1: I don't. But you know it's hard to say, I

1543
01:34:25,640 --> 01:34:27,280
Speaker 1: do have one. Quickly, I want to add in that

1544
01:34:27,360 --> 01:34:31,479
Speaker 1: I forgot I I just am toggling between my commentary notes.

1545
01:34:32,280 --> 01:34:34,840
Speaker 1: Something I thought was interesting about when the ship is

1546
01:34:34,880 --> 01:34:37,920
Speaker 1: going down, like all those poop deck shots. Yeah, when

1547
01:34:38,000 --> 01:34:41,479
Speaker 1: the ship is like submerging for the final time. Again,

1548
01:34:41,600 --> 01:34:44,800
Speaker 1: just like there's so many like early I don't know,

1549
01:34:45,160 --> 01:34:50,439
Speaker 1: like again, he's a batman, but but but boy did

1550
01:34:50,520 --> 01:34:53,880
Speaker 1: he get results. You know, like there are all of

1551
01:34:53,960 --> 01:34:57,040
Speaker 1: these like CG things that are now so normal in

1552
01:34:57,160 --> 01:35:00,320
Speaker 1: movies that like James Cameron was like innovative on the

1553
01:35:00,400 --> 01:35:04,800
Speaker 1: set of Titanic where instead of because like CG was

1554
01:35:04,920 --> 01:35:08,800
Speaker 1: still very much whatever in process, Like there were all

1555
01:35:08,920 --> 01:35:12,439
Speaker 1: of these shots when the boat was straight up and

1556
01:35:12,640 --> 01:35:15,680
Speaker 1: sinking the last section of it that they would call

1557
01:35:15,840 --> 01:35:21,720
Speaker 1: toilet paper shots because they would have the human extras

1558
01:35:21,760 --> 01:35:23,800
Speaker 1: and like you know, Jack and Rosen and the chef

1559
01:35:23,960 --> 01:35:27,599
Speaker 1: and the girlfriend and all this stuff for actors who

1560
01:35:27,640 --> 01:35:32,160
Speaker 1: would have to fall and get hurt in CG that

1561
01:35:32,320 --> 01:35:34,680
Speaker 1: you couldn't do in a way that was safe for

1562
01:35:34,800 --> 01:35:39,040
Speaker 1: a stunt actor. They would have an actor sometimes actually

1563
01:35:39,120 --> 01:35:43,559
Speaker 1: Kate winslet drop a roll of toilet paper from their mark,

1564
01:35:44,640 --> 01:35:47,360
Speaker 1: so that the post production editor could go back and

1565
01:35:47,520 --> 01:35:51,680
Speaker 1: cg in the green screen shot of someone falling and

1566
01:35:52,400 --> 01:35:55,519
Speaker 1: like hitting something or whatever it was. And so there

1567
01:35:55,560 --> 01:35:58,600
Speaker 1: were all these things called toilet paper shots, and you

1568
01:35:58,720 --> 01:36:00,720
Speaker 1: could see some of them on line of just like

1569
01:36:01,280 --> 01:36:07,040
Speaker 1: famous actors dropping a roll of toilet paper. It's kind

1570
01:36:07,120 --> 01:36:10,920
Speaker 1: of fun. That's fun. I like it. Okay. So Jack

1571
01:36:11,080 --> 01:36:14,320
Speaker 1: is like, never let go of that promise, and she says,

1572
01:36:14,760 --> 01:36:19,480
Speaker 1: I'll never let go. Jack. Some time passes, a lifeboat

1573
01:36:19,600 --> 01:36:24,800
Speaker 1: finally shows up with sexy crew member number twelve or whatever,

1574
01:36:25,920 --> 01:36:31,280
Speaker 1: played by Ione Griffith as fifth Officer Harold Lowe. Yes,

1575
01:36:31,960 --> 01:36:34,040
Speaker 1: he's the person I have a story about. So like, oh,

1576
01:36:34,360 --> 01:36:37,880
Speaker 1: Kathy Bates in the commentary, because he goes on to

1577
01:36:38,040 --> 01:36:41,280
Speaker 1: have a bit of a career, which even James Cameron

1578
01:36:41,360 --> 01:36:44,080
Speaker 1: says in his commentary, he's like, this guy's he's he's

1579
01:36:44,080 --> 01:36:47,000
Speaker 1: a fantastic before. I mean, I think that that's about it,

1580
01:36:47,200 --> 01:36:49,320
Speaker 1: but you know he's done a thing or two, right,

1581
01:36:49,720 --> 01:36:53,280
Speaker 1: And Kathy Bates said, like in the day, like where

1582
01:36:53,320 --> 01:36:58,120
Speaker 1: they're in the fucking tank in Burbank, but that day

1583
01:36:58,160 --> 01:37:01,560
Speaker 1: specifically where it's a bunch of extras literally lying motionless,

1584
01:37:01,800 --> 01:37:03,639
Speaker 1: pretending to be dead, and that was like a really

1585
01:37:03,760 --> 01:37:09,600
Speaker 1: emotional day, and that she was so moved by his

1586
01:37:09,840 --> 01:37:13,439
Speaker 1: performance that she was like sobbing on set in a

1587
01:37:13,520 --> 01:37:16,000
Speaker 1: way that was like she wasn't supposed to be and

1588
01:37:16,120 --> 01:37:18,160
Speaker 1: it isn't in the movie, but like she just had

1589
01:37:18,160 --> 01:37:20,439
Speaker 1: a really emotionally difficult time and she said that like

1590
01:37:21,400 --> 01:37:23,280
Speaker 1: she she just she was like, I gotta hand it

1591
01:37:23,320 --> 01:37:25,439
Speaker 1: to him. I cried myself to sleep that night when

1592
01:37:25,520 --> 01:37:32,760
Speaker 1: he's like doing thee can never be my Hammie, And

1593
01:37:32,880 --> 01:37:36,240
Speaker 1: you're just like, oh, they freaking can't except for rows

1594
01:37:36,280 --> 01:37:39,640
Speaker 1: of course, and she's not real and those pop and

1595
01:37:39,720 --> 01:37:45,439
Speaker 1: the two poperanians fucking dog paddling for their Oh my god,

1596
01:37:45,760 --> 01:37:48,120
Speaker 1: I feel like if honestly I mean and I say

1597
01:37:48,160 --> 01:37:49,960
Speaker 1: that because he's in my lap right now. But like

1598
01:37:50,080 --> 01:37:52,960
Speaker 1: if we was on the Titanic, I would die and

1599
01:37:53,120 --> 01:37:55,559
Speaker 1: he would live. You would put him on the door

1600
01:37:55,680 --> 01:37:59,040
Speaker 1: and you would sacrifice yourself. No, I would get on

1601
01:37:59,120 --> 01:38:01,240
Speaker 1: the door and leave him for dead and I would

1602
01:38:01,280 --> 01:38:04,759
Speaker 1: still die and he would still live. He's just very strong.

1603
01:38:05,160 --> 01:38:08,679
Speaker 1: I would be like, listen, catch survivor. I'd expected ze wise,

1604
01:38:09,080 --> 01:38:11,960
Speaker 1: you gotta go and he'd be like, I understand, but

1605
01:38:12,000 --> 01:38:13,840
Speaker 1: then I would I would just not be strong enough.

1606
01:38:13,840 --> 01:38:16,040
Speaker 1: I would die and he would be like, all right,

1607
01:38:16,160 --> 01:38:18,800
Speaker 1: let me hop up on this. Also, if it was

1608
01:38:18,840 --> 01:38:21,040
Speaker 1: me and Flee on the door, I feel like the

1609
01:38:21,160 --> 01:38:23,759
Speaker 1: boy and c would you know, Flee weighs nine pounds,

1610
01:38:23,840 --> 01:38:28,439
Speaker 1: he'd be fine. That's true. That's so true. Yeah, um, okay,

1611
01:38:28,600 --> 01:38:34,080
Speaker 1: so you and Grifolts, you and McGregor all over again.

1612
01:38:35,439 --> 01:38:38,200
Speaker 1: I don't I mean, I bullshitted my way through it,

1613
01:38:38,320 --> 01:38:40,200
Speaker 1: and you did not call me out, which I thought

1614
01:38:40,280 --> 01:38:45,120
Speaker 1: was really kind of you. I said my aunt will

1615
01:38:45,160 --> 01:38:47,040
Speaker 1: be something kind of close to that. I feel like

1616
01:38:47,120 --> 01:38:49,080
Speaker 1: people have tried to tell us what it is before

1617
01:38:49,240 --> 01:38:52,479
Speaker 1: it because it's a Welsh name spelled yes I O

1618
01:38:52,920 --> 01:38:56,840
Speaker 1: A N. That's his first name, g r u f

1619
01:38:57,080 --> 01:39:00,160
Speaker 1: f u d D. I simply don't know how it's

1620
01:39:00,200 --> 01:39:04,040
Speaker 1: pronounced anyway. He's just a lot of vowels. It's hard

1621
01:39:04,080 --> 01:39:07,360
Speaker 1: to know. Yeah. But he shows up on a lifeboat

1622
01:39:07,520 --> 01:39:11,960
Speaker 1: and Rose is like, Jack, there's a boat, but Jack

1623
01:39:12,400 --> 01:39:17,360
Speaker 1: is dead. Oops, and she calls out. She says that

1624
01:39:17,439 --> 01:39:20,599
Speaker 1: she goes oops, and then she's like, I'll never like, oh,

1625
01:39:20,640 --> 01:39:23,360
Speaker 1: my promise, And then she tries to call out and

1626
01:39:23,479 --> 01:39:27,920
Speaker 1: get mister Lifeboat's attention. Then she swims over and blows

1627
01:39:27,920 --> 01:39:31,479
Speaker 1: on a whistle and she is saved. Cut back to

1628
01:39:31,720 --> 01:39:34,800
Speaker 1: the kell Dish where Old Rose and Broc love it

1629
01:39:34,920 --> 01:39:37,920
Speaker 1: and all those people. Brock is having a feeling for

1630
01:39:37,960 --> 01:39:39,960
Speaker 1: the first time in his life. He's having a hard

1631
01:39:40,040 --> 01:39:43,800
Speaker 1: time yeah, and Rose says, I never spoke about Jack

1632
01:39:43,880 --> 01:39:46,360
Speaker 1: before this, because a woman's heart is a deep ocean

1633
01:39:46,400 --> 01:39:49,680
Speaker 1: of secrets, and Brok is like, damn, I never really

1634
01:39:49,720 --> 01:39:52,800
Speaker 1: appreciated Titanic before. I never let it in, but now

1635
01:39:52,960 --> 01:39:56,920
Speaker 1: I get it. Then we see Rose on the deck

1636
01:39:57,080 --> 01:39:59,799
Speaker 1: of the Kellydish. She has the heart of the ocean

1637
01:40:00,520 --> 01:40:03,759
Speaker 1: in her hand. We have talked through previously the alternate

1638
01:40:03,960 --> 01:40:06,559
Speaker 1: ending to this movie, which sucks. We will not rehash

1639
01:40:06,640 --> 01:40:13,240
Speaker 1: it here. There's a long garbagee Susie Amos, Bill Paxton like,

1640
01:40:13,800 --> 01:40:18,400
Speaker 1: what what hey, Old Rose, please restate the moral of

1641
01:40:18,520 --> 01:40:24,360
Speaker 1: the movie. Version that absolutely sucks. But this version, I

1642
01:40:24,520 --> 01:40:27,320
Speaker 1: just feel like this just happens to be the one

1643
01:40:27,400 --> 01:40:29,760
Speaker 1: movie where every right choice was made because the ending

1644
01:40:29,880 --> 01:40:32,760
Speaker 1: to this movie is perfect. I do hate that she

1645
01:40:32,960 --> 01:40:36,880
Speaker 1: throws the necklace in the water, but I mean, ideally

1646
01:40:37,000 --> 01:40:41,600
Speaker 1: would she, you know, like sell it and then redistribute

1647
01:40:41,640 --> 01:40:46,799
Speaker 1: the funds. Yes, symbolically for a person who never existed

1648
01:40:47,120 --> 01:40:50,559
Speaker 1: with a mcguffin, it doesn't bother me and it makes

1649
01:40:50,560 --> 01:40:53,960
Speaker 1: me cry. Yeah, because she was like, ultimately this one,

1650
01:40:53,960 --> 01:40:56,840
Speaker 1: because it was like whatever, ultimately this was meaningless. It

1651
01:40:57,000 --> 01:41:00,479
Speaker 1: was the love that mattered. And now having done this,

1652
01:41:00,840 --> 01:41:05,280
Speaker 1: I can die or I can fall asleep and have

1653
01:41:05,360 --> 01:41:08,439
Speaker 1: a dream about it. Okay. So Rose has the heart

1654
01:41:08,479 --> 01:41:11,240
Speaker 1: of the ocean. Boring because of that scene earlier where

1655
01:41:11,320 --> 01:41:14,160
Speaker 1: Cal is like, I put the diamond in the coat,

1656
01:41:14,640 --> 01:41:16,559
Speaker 1: and I put the coat on her. Put the coat

1657
01:41:16,640 --> 01:41:19,840
Speaker 1: on her. So Rose, and then let's not forget that

1658
01:41:20,280 --> 01:41:22,760
Speaker 1: the depression hit him pretty hard and he put a

1659
01:41:22,800 --> 01:41:25,320
Speaker 1: pistol in his mouth this year or so she read, yeah,

1660
01:41:25,640 --> 01:41:28,000
Speaker 1: or so she read. We don't know, we don't know. Yeah,

1661
01:41:28,080 --> 01:41:29,800
Speaker 1: he could be like a Pomeranian. He could still be.

1662
01:41:31,320 --> 01:41:35,360
Speaker 1: So Rose has the heart of the ocean, and she's

1663
01:41:35,360 --> 01:41:39,280
Speaker 1: had it this whole time, and she throws it in

1664
01:41:39,479 --> 01:41:44,360
Speaker 1: the water and she goes, ah, God, I'm annoyed. Then no,

1665
01:41:45,360 --> 01:41:48,840
Speaker 1: she's like con Then we see Rose in bed with

1666
01:41:48,960 --> 01:41:51,360
Speaker 1: all of her pictures of the full life that she lived,

1667
01:41:51,479 --> 01:41:53,840
Speaker 1: because she never let go of her promise to Jack.

1668
01:41:54,160 --> 01:41:57,439
Speaker 1: All of these photos were photoshopped except for Kate Winslet

1669
01:41:57,600 --> 01:42:00,519
Speaker 1: on the horse because Kate and which James Cameron pointed

1670
01:42:00,560 --> 01:42:03,599
Speaker 1: out because he's like and Kate is afraid of horses. Oh,

1671
01:42:04,320 --> 01:42:09,400
Speaker 1: I know, my friend. And then what happens? Okay. So

1672
01:42:09,560 --> 01:42:13,240
Speaker 1: some people will interpret this as Rose dying and going

1673
01:42:13,320 --> 01:42:16,559
Speaker 1: to heaven. Other really cool and really smart people will

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01:42:16,600 --> 01:42:19,280
Speaker 1: interpret this as Rose falling asleep and having a dream.

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01:42:19,680 --> 01:42:21,639
Speaker 1: But what we saw orch just people who haven't really

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01:42:21,680 --> 01:42:24,519
Speaker 1: grappled with their mortality. I have something to I have

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01:42:24,680 --> 01:42:29,560
Speaker 1: something to share her because James Cameron has a bonanza

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01:42:29,920 --> 01:42:33,120
Speaker 1: with this thing. He makes it. He has a little

1679
01:42:33,120 --> 01:42:36,799
Speaker 1: bit of fun, okay with this, so he says, quote

1680
01:42:37,520 --> 01:42:41,799
Speaker 1: the big ambiguity here is is she alive and dreaming

1681
01:42:42,360 --> 01:42:45,320
Speaker 1: or is she dead and on her way to Titanic heaven? Here?

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01:42:45,720 --> 01:42:50,280
Speaker 1: And of course I'll never tell. I mean, I know

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01:42:51,160 --> 01:42:55,280
Speaker 1: what was intended at the time, but that doesn't mean

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01:42:55,400 --> 01:42:58,519
Speaker 1: I have to go blurting it out. I know you

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01:42:58,680 --> 01:43:03,320
Speaker 1: bought this expensive special edition DVD, which I did, and

1686
01:43:03,560 --> 01:43:06,560
Speaker 1: you were hoping for the answer. But the answer is

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01:43:07,680 --> 01:43:11,160
Speaker 1: that has to be something that you supply personally and

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01:43:11,360 --> 01:43:15,640
Speaker 1: as an individual. Wow, isn't that awesome? And so it

1689
01:43:15,760 --> 01:43:21,080
Speaker 1: says something about people based on their interpretation of what happens.

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01:43:21,360 --> 01:43:24,800
Speaker 1: It says that everyone. It says that he, I think

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01:43:24,920 --> 01:43:29,320
Speaker 1: what in my opinion, like genuinely in my opinion. It

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01:43:29,439 --> 01:43:32,599
Speaker 1: says that whatever creative choice he made didn't read as

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01:43:32,640 --> 01:43:34,840
Speaker 1: strongly as he thought it would. And then he's like,

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01:43:35,080 --> 01:43:38,400
Speaker 1: um so that's kind of art right, like, which is

1695
01:43:38,439 --> 01:43:40,880
Speaker 1: what I would do in the same situation where I'm like, oh, yeah,

1696
01:43:41,040 --> 01:43:44,599
Speaker 1: I made an unclear choice. Um that was on purpose,

1697
01:43:45,240 --> 01:43:46,840
Speaker 1: and I think it's kind of iconic that And I

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01:43:46,920 --> 01:43:48,720
Speaker 1: hope he never tells us. And I hope that we

1699
01:43:48,840 --> 01:43:51,559
Speaker 1: both think that we're right until we either fall asleep

1700
01:43:51,640 --> 01:43:54,000
Speaker 1: or die, which means I'm right, we will die one day.

1701
01:43:54,439 --> 01:43:58,000
Speaker 1: We will not just keep falling asleep. But but I

1702
01:43:58,160 --> 01:44:01,519
Speaker 1: liked I was. I was free entically transcribing that because

1703
01:44:01,520 --> 01:44:04,080
Speaker 1: I was so excited to be like he said something

1704
01:44:04,280 --> 01:44:07,680
Speaker 1: and it was not it was. I love that he

1705
01:44:07,880 --> 01:44:12,479
Speaker 1: refuses to be clearer. It's it's great. Um So the

1706
01:44:13,160 --> 01:44:17,360
Speaker 1: dream or heaven, based on your interpretation is And James

1707
01:44:17,400 --> 01:44:20,240
Speaker 1: Cameron says this scene I cry at my own movie,

1708
01:44:20,680 --> 01:44:24,960
Speaker 1: which is so which is I was like, I cry

1709
01:44:25,040 --> 01:44:28,400
Speaker 1: at your own movie. So good for you, Good for you.

1710
01:44:28,960 --> 01:44:32,160
Speaker 1: So we see young Rose. She's like entering the big

1711
01:44:32,360 --> 01:44:36,640
Speaker 1: like grand staircase area of Titanic. Jack is waiting for

1712
01:44:36,720 --> 01:44:39,040
Speaker 1: her at the top of the staircase just like you said,

1713
01:44:39,360 --> 01:44:42,679
Speaker 1: they're surrounded by everyone who was on the ship. Rose

1714
01:44:42,800 --> 01:44:47,880
Speaker 1: walks up the staircase and she and Jack kiss the end. Yay,

1715
01:44:48,640 --> 01:44:52,800
Speaker 1: I love Caitlin, great job, I loved. My last fun

1716
01:44:52,920 --> 01:44:55,960
Speaker 1: fact to share is that James Cameron's well, actually, no,

1717
01:44:56,000 --> 01:44:59,080
Speaker 1: I have two more fun I'm okay, okay. My last

1718
01:44:59,200 --> 01:45:01,960
Speaker 1: James Cameron fun fact is that they shot that last

1719
01:45:03,160 --> 01:45:06,280
Speaker 1: The first of all, everyone who shot the staircase dream

1720
01:45:06,800 --> 01:45:10,280
Speaker 1: slash death sequence did not think it would be included

1721
01:45:10,439 --> 01:45:13,200
Speaker 1: in the final cut. It was something that Kate Winslet

1722
01:45:13,320 --> 01:45:16,200
Speaker 1: and Leonardo DiCaprio thought was far too corny to make

1723
01:45:16,240 --> 01:45:19,200
Speaker 1: the final cut. But then it did. But they also

1724
01:45:19,280 --> 01:45:22,720
Speaker 1: shot it with them applauding and without them applauding, and

1725
01:45:22,840 --> 01:45:25,519
Speaker 1: we're back and forth pretty close. But they chose applauding,

1726
01:45:25,520 --> 01:45:28,080
Speaker 1: and I think that was the right choice. The final

1727
01:45:28,160 --> 01:45:30,720
Speaker 1: thing is the last, the true last sequence in this

1728
01:45:30,920 --> 01:45:35,080
Speaker 1: movie is the celine dion my heart will go on sequence.

1729
01:45:36,080 --> 01:45:39,040
Speaker 1: I did not know the story attached to this, and

1730
01:45:39,360 --> 01:45:42,360
Speaker 1: I love it, so tell me. I'm going to share

1731
01:45:42,400 --> 01:45:45,439
Speaker 1: it and then we can explode, we can sink into

1732
01:45:45,439 --> 01:45:49,880
Speaker 1: the depths of the Atlantic Ocean. I'm ready. So I

1733
01:45:50,000 --> 01:45:53,639
Speaker 1: guess that there was like a shared opinion of James

1734
01:45:53,760 --> 01:45:57,400
Speaker 1: Cameron and James Horner that they did not like when

1735
01:45:57,600 --> 01:46:01,160
Speaker 1: movies ended with a song. They both thought it was

1736
01:46:01,320 --> 01:46:05,720
Speaker 1: goofy and corny and they didn't like it. But when

1737
01:46:05,840 --> 01:46:08,200
Speaker 1: James Horner was thinking about ways to end the movie,

1738
01:46:08,520 --> 01:46:10,960
Speaker 1: he started thinking about a song and so he like

1739
01:46:11,160 --> 01:46:16,639
Speaker 1: privately started working on something he privately not telling James Cameron,

1740
01:46:16,920 --> 01:46:21,799
Speaker 1: hired a lyricist put together this song. He went to Vegas,

1741
01:46:22,040 --> 01:46:26,080
Speaker 1: he saw Selene and he was like, I'm gonna hit

1742
01:46:26,160 --> 01:46:30,640
Speaker 1: her up. I have enough, like and they secretly recorded

1743
01:46:30,720 --> 01:46:35,360
Speaker 1: this song unbeknownst to James Cameron in New York, and

1744
01:46:35,560 --> 01:46:38,880
Speaker 1: James Horner was like, hey, like it's pretty like unlikely

1745
01:46:39,040 --> 01:46:41,040
Speaker 1: that this will be included in the movie, but like

1746
01:46:41,240 --> 01:46:44,040
Speaker 1: here's your money, and like thanks for doing this. Like

1747
01:46:45,240 --> 01:46:48,479
Speaker 1: then after it was recorded, James Horner, who sounded like

1748
01:46:48,600 --> 01:46:53,719
Speaker 1: a very like quiet man who like chose his moments

1749
01:46:53,840 --> 01:46:56,960
Speaker 1: kind of person. So once he has the Song of

1750
01:46:57,040 --> 01:47:01,160
Speaker 1: the Century like V recording, he sits on it for

1751
01:47:01,479 --> 01:47:06,160
Speaker 1: six weeks, waiting for James Cameron to be in the

1752
01:47:06,360 --> 01:47:12,000
Speaker 1: right mood to be receptive to the idea of a

1753
01:47:12,200 --> 01:47:16,120
Speaker 1: song ending the movie. Yeah, And then six weeks later

1754
01:47:16,640 --> 01:47:21,760
Speaker 1: James Horner's like, so I tried something out and like,

1755
01:47:22,160 --> 01:47:24,160
Speaker 1: just let me know what you think. He plays a

1756
01:47:24,240 --> 01:47:28,080
Speaker 1: song and then James Cameron's like, is this Selene Dion

1757
01:47:29,280 --> 01:47:33,679
Speaker 1: And James Horner's like, yeah, Selene Deon. I just kind

1758
01:47:33,720 --> 01:47:37,120
Speaker 1: of threw it together over the course of several months,

1759
01:47:37,479 --> 01:47:40,080
Speaker 1: and James Cameron to his again, I feel like when

1760
01:47:40,160 --> 01:47:43,360
Speaker 1: the idea is really good, he will acknowledge it. And

1761
01:47:43,520 --> 01:47:45,880
Speaker 1: he was like, let me just think about this, and

1762
01:47:45,960 --> 01:47:48,800
Speaker 1: then he brought the song to his I guess at

1763
01:47:48,840 --> 01:47:51,560
Speaker 1: that time teenage daughter and was like, what do you

1764
01:47:51,680 --> 01:47:54,760
Speaker 1: think And his teenage daughter was like, it's the Song

1765
01:47:54,840 --> 01:47:57,400
Speaker 1: of the Century, you fool. And that's how the song

1766
01:47:57,520 --> 01:48:00,240
Speaker 1: got it into the movie. Wow, isn't that wild? Get

1767
01:48:00,320 --> 01:48:05,480
Speaker 1: like there were so many everything perfect happened with Titanic.

1768
01:48:05,640 --> 01:48:10,040
Speaker 1: It's the best movie ever, moviemaking is magical and horrible

1769
01:48:10,200 --> 01:48:18,679
Speaker 1: and yes, two things can be true. That's our seventh

1770
01:48:18,880 --> 01:48:23,080
Speaker 1: Titanic episode. Everyone, you came to this place. You came

1771
01:48:23,160 --> 01:48:26,960
Speaker 1: to this place for multiple Titanic episodes, most of them

1772
01:48:27,040 --> 01:48:30,720
Speaker 1: are on the Matreon. So if you want to hear more, yes,

1773
01:48:31,120 --> 01:48:35,839
Speaker 1: screwed on over to the Matreon. But uh yeah, that'll

1774
01:48:36,320 --> 01:48:39,360
Speaker 1: that'll do it for this year. But you better believe

1775
01:48:39,960 --> 01:48:42,960
Speaker 1: your ass. Oh my god, we are twenty four. Oh,

1776
01:48:43,080 --> 01:48:46,840
Speaker 1: you better believe your ass. And and we yeah, I

1777
01:48:46,920 --> 01:48:49,360
Speaker 1: mean next year, I mean next year, at very least

1778
01:48:49,520 --> 01:48:51,639
Speaker 1: we will talk about a movie we watched the full

1779
01:48:51,720 --> 01:48:54,680
Speaker 1: year ago, Titanic sixty six six. Yeah, and that's a

1780
01:48:54,840 --> 01:48:58,320
Speaker 1: damn promise. Um, we love you so much, Thank you

1781
01:48:58,400 --> 01:49:01,680
Speaker 1: so much for listening. You can find us over on,

1782
01:49:02,040 --> 01:49:05,519
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1783
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Speaker 1: Bechtel Cast five dollars a month, we'll get you access

1784
01:49:09,040 --> 01:49:13,200
Speaker 1: to all but one of the other Titanic episodes we've recorded.

1785
01:49:13,400 --> 01:49:15,800
Speaker 1: And if that is a deterrent and not a reason

1786
01:49:15,840 --> 01:49:19,040
Speaker 1: to sign up, there's also well over one hundred episodes

1787
01:49:19,160 --> 01:49:22,320
Speaker 1: on other movies we've covered. There you can check us

1788
01:49:22,360 --> 01:49:25,800
Speaker 1: out on Instagram or Twitter at Bechtel Cast, or in

1789
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Speaker 1: t public dot com slash the Bechtel Cast for all

1790
01:49:29,479 --> 01:49:31,720
Speaker 1: of the merch we currently have. But also I think

1791
01:49:32,080 --> 01:49:36,360
Speaker 1: there's a chance that you'll see reverse image white star

1792
01:49:36,479 --> 01:49:40,240
Speaker 1: line stuff there. Love it very soon, I hope, so

1793
01:49:40,960 --> 01:49:47,800
Speaker 1: rock love it. Yeah, So thanks for listening. And I'll

1794
01:49:47,840 --> 01:49:51,519
Speaker 1: never let go, will you, Jamie. I will never let

1795
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Speaker 1: go okay ever ever Bye bye