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Speaker 1: It's a tough sports, not for everybody.

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Speaker 2: You gotta be a little sick to love this game,

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Speaker 2: and we got some sickos.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to NFL Daily, where football is not back, but

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Speaker 3: Ali Connolly's back in the minds watching the NFL draft prospects.

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Speaker 3: I mean, talk about off season. I'm Greg Rosenthal, I'm

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Speaker 3: here in the garage and Ali Connolly is with me,

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Speaker 3: and I feel like this is the first proper off

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Speaker 3: season show. I didn't want to turn the page too

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Speaker 3: fast from the Super Bowl, so you know, I talked

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Speaker 3: with Daniel Jeremiah a little bit about the Patriots and

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Speaker 3: Seahawks what's next, talk with Mina Kimes about enjoying the

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Speaker 3: state Seahawks victory. But this is the first proper off

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Speaker 3: season show.

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Speaker 4: Ali.

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Speaker 3: I know you're grinding on the rookie prospects, but are

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Speaker 3: you ready to talk some tight end free agency prospects?

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Speaker 5: And nothing is fired mall the me to sit with

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Speaker 5: you right into the offseason and discuss tight ends.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it was. It was an eye opening moment.

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Speaker 3: This morning, I got email that gave me all my

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Speaker 3: due date assignments on my top one oh one free

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Speaker 3: agents list.

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Speaker 4: The blurbs and the list, it's all.

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Speaker 3: Next week, and I'm thinking, oh, boy, like you want

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Speaker 3: to get ahead of it, and you never quite do.

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Speaker 3: So That's how I'll be spending my weekend. I was

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Speaker 3: wondering what I've done with my life when I spent

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Speaker 3: the Tuesday night after the Super Bowl watching an hour

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Speaker 3: of Kyle Pitts, and I was like, this is too much.

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Speaker 4: What is this going to be?

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Speaker 3: Twenty seconds on the podcast, We're going to do some news.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna have Ali, who's a great scout helped me

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Speaker 3: sort some of my tight end rankings, and then we're

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Speaker 3: going to listen to an interview that we did last

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Speaker 3: week with Isaiah Likely, one of the gentlemen we will

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Speaker 3: be talking about and who will be featured prominently on

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Speaker 3: the tight end rankings. And we'll be somewhere in my

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Speaker 3: top fifty let's say free agents. But let's figure out

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Speaker 3: where that will be in the top fifty.

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Speaker 4: Let's start, though, with some news.

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Speaker 3: We got our final head coach introductory press conference and

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Speaker 3: it was with the man Clint Kubiak, who we spoke

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Speaker 3: with on the field after the game. Let's listen to

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Speaker 3: him talk about his relationship with the guy who presumably

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Speaker 3: was the most important guy in hiring him, Tom Brady,

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Speaker 3: a man who did not show up for the press conference.

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Speaker 4: I want to point out.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm really excited to work with Tom. And you know,

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Speaker 6: he made a mistake and giving me a cell phone number,

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Speaker 6: so he's gonna he might wish he never did that,

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Speaker 6: because I'm gonna be I'm gonna be calling him a lot.

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Speaker 6: What I'm excited about is that we're really a different

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Speaker 6: we have, you know, different offensive backgrounds. How we're gonna

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Speaker 6: But obviously he's he's the greatest that's ever done it.

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Speaker 6: In the interview process, just the passion that he spoke

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Speaker 6: with on all things football just got me excited about

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Speaker 6: the opportunity to work with him.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Clink Kubiak never sounds that excited, but he says

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Speaker 4: I'll believe him there.

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Speaker 3: It always it hits me funny that he like feels

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Speaker 4: You know, he should be involved on a day to

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Speaker 3: I don't know if you have any Click Kubiak introductory

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Speaker 3: press conference thoughts. You're a nerd when it comes to

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't say he did that after the game on

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Speaker 5: I think he's more a tactician in the minds, in

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Speaker 5: up for the new season. I do find the Brady

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Speaker 5: he's become a very good broadcaster, and as I'd say,

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Speaker 5: I think pushing himself up into a different tier. I

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Speaker 5: to be as an owner, frankly more so than a broadcaster.

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Speaker 5: And I do find it a little bit puzzling that

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and that it's his third or his fourth job,

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Speaker 3: and he has all these different investments, and you just

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Speaker 3: would think that's a full time job. Look, they had

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Speaker 3: Only quarterback there. But there's no Tom Brady. Kubiak is tough.

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Speaker 3: When I told a couple people that I've never seen

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Speaker 3: Clint Kubiak. He came over and there's this feeling that

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Speaker 3: what I think. He talked about it like he had

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Speaker 3: like he literally I think was already thinking about the

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Speaker 3: Was very flat lined, but like I said, I've seen

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Speaker 3: a lot of coaches, players, everyone after winning a super Bowl,

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Speaker 3: and he was really kind of, you know, down the line.

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Speaker 3: And I hope he provides that schematic advantage and he'll

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Speaker 3: be helped if he has a great roster. The question

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Speaker 3: spoke on Tuesday, just a couple of days after Jay Glazer,

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Speaker 3: who's tight with Max Crosby said that Crosby was done,

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Speaker 3: he believed with the Raiders. Here's Clint Kubiak talking about

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Speaker 6: Got to drink a cup of coffee with Max this morning. Loved,

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Speaker 6: loved talking ball with him, and you know, look forward

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Speaker 6: to continuing those conversations. He was he was the first

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Speaker 6: fired me up. We want him to be a part

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Speaker 6: no doubt about that. And you know he's he's one

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Speaker 6: of the best players in the NFL. So it's that's

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Speaker 6: a no brainer to get to work with Max and

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Speaker 4: He looks a lot like Gary Kubiak.

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Speaker 3: The offense is similar, but Kubiak gave you a little

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Speaker 3: more Gary. Gary Kuback was a guy who would fire

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Speaker 3: you up a little bit. Maybe Max Crosby, though, being

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Speaker 3: I guess you got to work out somewhere though, and

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Speaker 3: that that's where he's going to work out. More about

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Speaker 3: him potentially being done as a Raider, that's a story

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Speaker 3: we didn't hit at all last week, so I did

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Speaker 3: want to circle back that multiple people, But most importantly,

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Speaker 3: Glazer kind of said that Crosby will be going the

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Speaker 4: Pushing for a trade.

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Speaker 3: We'll see if he goes for the Miles Garrett route

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Speaker 5: If you were the Raiders, what is the price tech

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Speaker 7: Max Crosby is a single first round pick enough.

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Speaker 3: I was gonna say first plus to start, but I

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Speaker 4: Glazer said something.

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Speaker 3: That he thought he would get a bigger haul than

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Speaker 3: Michael Parsons, and I thought, well, why, there's no chance.

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Speaker 5: Why would that be The age plus injury concerns is

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Speaker 5: raid decide it. I just think it's one of those

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Speaker 5: Crosby will be to alleviate some of the cap burden

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Speaker 5: and get thirty million plus in cap space. They've already

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Speaker 5: got oodles of cap room. The for agent Cluss that you'll,

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Speaker 5: you know, spend your weekend writing about isn't exactly one

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Speaker 5: way you'd want to go and spend ten million on

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Speaker 5: three players to rebuild the defense and then look around

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Speaker 5: have Max Crosby. So I think it's difficult to find

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he has thirty million dollars guaranteed this year. He

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Speaker 3: more guaranteed money, and yet they did structure it spy

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Speaker 3: I don't see I agree with you. I don't see

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Speaker 4: I'd probably do it.

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Speaker 3: It would be very hard for Raiders fans, I think,

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Speaker 3: I don't even think that's totally worth it. So what

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Speaker 3: Clint Kobiek. I wouldn't say he's provided like an incredible

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Speaker 3: think he's been a good head coach, but maybe not

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Speaker 3: a completely transformative one.

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Speaker 4: And then that plus.

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Speaker 3: Him in front of the podium, plus just the situation

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Speaker 5: I would be hesitant when you look at the entire resume,

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Speaker 5: would worry me, I think this year and he did

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Speaker 5: to guys for everyone looking for jobs. I do think

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Speaker 5: he kind of changed his offensive approach dramatically this season.

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Speaker 5: Why became all about the plays and not the plays.

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Speaker 5: And I do like coaches who are adaptable in that

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Speaker 5: sense when you go from play call to head coach

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Speaker 5: and the thing the McVey has done the guys with

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Speaker 5: those trees, where the guys who've succeeded versus the guys

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Speaker 5: who haven't had as much success, is a willingness to

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Speaker 5: overhaul things every single season. And it's not just the

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Speaker 3: So we'll find out who his staff is and we'll

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Speaker 3: talk about that in the coming weeks as we find out.

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Speaker 3: Mike Rabel and Drake May they got in front of

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Speaker 3: a podium on Tuesday. Good on the Patriots, like get

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Speaker 3: them on the podium on clean out Day and everything.

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Speaker 3: Mike Rabel quickly squashed what Daniel Jeremiah talked about on

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Speaker 3: our Forties and Free Agents episode this week about Will

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Speaker 3: Campbell potentially moving positions. Let's listen to Rabel shut that down.

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Speaker 8: you sign up to be the head coach, you get judged,

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Speaker 8: you get scrutinized. Well, it's twenty two years old. He's

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Speaker 8: our left tackle. He'll get better, it gets stronger. Moments

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Speaker 3: I just wanted to put those all on the record

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Speaker 3: on this show. One thing Schefter reported on Tuesday I

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Speaker 7: I love it.

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Speaker 5: We're in the content game. It's a transaction overaction world.

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Speaker 5: That's why the NBA found itself as people talk about

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Speaker 3: Maybe doesn't totally make as much sense with the Bears,

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Speaker 3: Let's get something for him. I think it's going to happen.

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Speaker 3: And the reason I love this potential change more than

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Speaker 4: But we'll see you.

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Speaker 5: Do you think they would put a Steepian rule in

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Speaker 3: I want to come back and talk about another Atlanta Falcon,

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Speaker 3: be available at tight end. Ali, I'm putting them on

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Speaker 3: set my tight end board. I'm not gonna finalize it today,

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Speaker 4: Ali, how do I how do I solve this?

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Speaker 5: Do you rank to your idealized version of an offense?

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Speaker 3: Too, probably like it's just less of a gamble, less

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Speaker 5: even coming out of the draft where he's going to

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00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:27,159
Speaker 5: manipulate all the formations and be this mismatch piece. I

441
00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:29,199
Speaker 5: just don't think that's truly the player that he is.

442
00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:31,560
Speaker 5: I think he's largely just a receiver who is called

443
00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:34,320
Speaker 5: the tight end, and teams find ways to stifle that.

444
00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:36,440
Speaker 5: I know he was tremendous down in the back half

445
00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:38,880
Speaker 5: of last season, but teams have found a ways where

446
00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:41,440
Speaker 5: they just say, well, just put a cornerback on him

447
00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:43,199
Speaker 5: and we're able to eliminate a lot of what he

448
00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:45,119
Speaker 5: does well. I do think if you've got him to

449
00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:48,320
Speaker 5: somewhere like Sean Payton, someone who really can find a

450
00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:51,040
Speaker 5: way to isolate and use a tight end, he would

451
00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:54,440
Speaker 5: be really, really successful and have some really high end seasons.

452
00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:56,800
Speaker 5: I just think someone like Kadoton is more of an

453
00:20:56,840 --> 00:20:59,880
Speaker 5: all around winning player who actually helps you win games

454
00:20:59,880 --> 00:21:02,840
Speaker 5: for well half seventy five percent of the offskin price.

455
00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:07,359
Speaker 3: Yes, and I'll be curious to see because Aton might

456
00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:09,280
Speaker 3: get a franchise, deg Pits might get a franchise.

457
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Speaker 4: Degg We'll see.

458
00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:11,920
Speaker 3: And yeah, if you're if you're watching on YouTube, Chris

459
00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:15,439
Speaker 3: Pabona lovingly put together all these all these splash plays

460
00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:17,720
Speaker 3: that Pitt's had, I'm gonna make the case at least

461
00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:19,840
Speaker 3: four pits of why he would even be in this

462
00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:22,639
Speaker 3: top tier. So for now, my top tier is pits

463
00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:25,439
Speaker 3: and unlikely, and I'm trying to figure out where to

464
00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:28,639
Speaker 3: sort them and obviously where they'll fit versus different positions.

465
00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:30,800
Speaker 3: If I was doing this rang in a year ago,

466
00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:32,800
Speaker 3: I mean Pitts would be buried. I just don't think

467
00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:36,640
Speaker 3: he was a good player. I don't think he's been healthy.

468
00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:40,280
Speaker 3: He was moving better this season, I thought to my eye,

469
00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:43,040
Speaker 3: and especially when when you do watch down the stretch,

470
00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:45,879
Speaker 3: like he's not a great blocker as far as I

471
00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:49,080
Speaker 3: can tell. But they did use him way more in

472
00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:51,159
Speaker 3: line for what it's worth, Like the percentage that he

473
00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:53,480
Speaker 3: was in line this year. It was a lot less

474
00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:56,280
Speaker 3: in the slot, a less, a lot less out wide,

475
00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:59,320
Speaker 3: and the idea that you could like build an offense

476
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Speaker 3: around him. For as much grief as Zach Robinson took,

477
00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:05,879
Speaker 3: I actually thought they used Kyle Pitts quite well with

478
00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:08,800
Speaker 3: the motions and he had some juice and he was fluid,

479
00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:11,159
Speaker 3: and he was their number one receiver that some of

480
00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:15,760
Speaker 3: these delayed routes like, they got him schemed open pretty well.

481
00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:18,600
Speaker 3: And I do think he was moving better this season

482
00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:21,320
Speaker 3: than he had at any point since his rookie year,

483
00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:24,800
Speaker 3: and so it wasn't just like fake production. His contested

484
00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:27,960
Speaker 3: catch rait was was way better, but even way better

485
00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:32,240
Speaker 3: was just like okay, like he's he's not amazing, and

486
00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:34,159
Speaker 3: he's not amazing with the ball in his hand. So

487
00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:36,520
Speaker 3: that again, it's why I want to kind of grade

488
00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:39,040
Speaker 3: him over his whole career, and he's probably gonna be

489
00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:41,800
Speaker 3: lower on my overall list, But the question is do

490
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Speaker 3: I put him over and then likely who I'm kind

491
00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:47,760
Speaker 3: of leaning towards as my next tight ends of the group.

492
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Speaker 5: It is a tricky one because I get what you're

493
00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:53,000
Speaker 5: saying with Pitts, there is more upside, there's more of

494
00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:55,760
Speaker 5: the splash play creativity, but just down to down Kate

495
00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:59,040
Speaker 5: often to me as a significantly more impactful player, both

496
00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:01,440
Speaker 5: with the room looking what he puts on the menu

497
00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:03,240
Speaker 5: in the wrong game, which then puts on the menu

498
00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:06,199
Speaker 5: for you in play action. I guess the trigger thing

499
00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:08,560
Speaker 5: is that stuff that becomes on the menu in play

500
00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:10,800
Speaker 5: action is the stuff where someone like a Cale pits feast.

501
00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:13,439
Speaker 5: So with often you need a dovetail with him to

502
00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:16,280
Speaker 5: kind of make that stuff sing, which I do kind

503
00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:17,760
Speaker 5: of feel you need with Pits too. You need someone

504
00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:20,280
Speaker 5: who can help set it up. So they're two completely

505
00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:22,880
Speaker 5: contrasting players. It's more of what you're looking for, I think,

506
00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:24,400
Speaker 5: and it's more of the type you're looking for.

507
00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:26,040
Speaker 7: I just think Pitts is.

508
00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:29,879
Speaker 5: What you're going to have to pay him is based

509
00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:32,880
Speaker 5: way more on the reputation, and people would default back

510
00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:35,399
Speaker 5: to their pre draft idea of him, look at the

511
00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:38,520
Speaker 5: final ten games in Atlanta and pay for that version.

512
00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:40,760
Speaker 5: And I'm just not sure that that version is going

513
00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:41,800
Speaker 5: to be worth the price tag.

514
00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:45,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you told me you're getting twenty twenty five

515
00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:50,440
Speaker 3: Pits consistently for the next couple of seasons, I would

516
00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:53,199
Speaker 3: bump up what ends up being my final overall ranking.

517
00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:56,240
Speaker 3: For the problem is he has had these injuries, and

518
00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:59,760
Speaker 3: I'm judging on the four year career, not just what

519
00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:03,320
Speaker 3: we saw last year. So ultimately I'm not overly high

520
00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:06,480
Speaker 3: on him. Kadau and Isaiah likely have something in common

521
00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:08,600
Speaker 3: that even a football head like you, I don't think

522
00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:12,480
Speaker 3: could come up with about how their seasons ended. I

523
00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:14,760
Speaker 3: guess I'll ask you. Can you I'm putting out on

524
00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:19,160
Speaker 3: the spot, Kate out and unlikely how their seasons ended.

525
00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:23,720
Speaker 7: Tough, how the seasons ended, I don't know. Tell me.

526
00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:27,760
Speaker 3: They both had like the final what should have been

527
00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:30,840
Speaker 3: game winning catch. I think in Aughten's case, he did

528
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:33,880
Speaker 3: set up the winner there for the Bucks in week eighteen,

529
00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:36,560
Speaker 3: and then likely I kind of forgot, like had the

530
00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:40,600
Speaker 3: last play of the John Harbaugh era, skying over Jalen

531
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Speaker 3: Ramsey and reminding you of why everyone's thought Isaiah likely

532
00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:47,520
Speaker 3: should be a more productive player than he's really been

533
00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:48,879
Speaker 3: throughout his career.

534
00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:49,760
Speaker 4: Went up for it.

535
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Speaker 3: Ravens get a little conservative run the next play and

536
00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:54,240
Speaker 3: then missed that field goal that would have sent them,

537
00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:56,400
Speaker 3: So they both had what would have been a game

538
00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:59,720
Speaker 3: winning type of catch. For Aughten, he was lined up

539
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:02,320
Speaker 3: in line and then he just goes across the formation

540
00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:06,960
Speaker 3: and crosses merrig And in his wide open and going

541
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:08,959
Speaker 3: back and watching him on tape, like, look, he's not

542
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:12,960
Speaker 3: going to wow you as much as likely will in

543
00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:14,640
Speaker 3: terms of his ball skills or.

544
00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:16,159
Speaker 4: In terms of his speed.

545
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:20,280
Speaker 3: But would it be fair to call him I don't

546
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:23,480
Speaker 3: even know if he's a poor man's AJ Barner. Maybe

547
00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:26,960
Speaker 3: a poor man's AJ Barner, but just allowing you to

548
00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:28,800
Speaker 3: kind of run the type of offense you want to

549
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:31,399
Speaker 3: run in twenty twenty five. I love me some Aj Barner,

550
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:33,920
Speaker 3: so I don't personally if I was taking Barner or

551
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:36,000
Speaker 3: and I think I would go Barner just because of

552
00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:39,560
Speaker 3: his physicality. But Barner's kind of developed into a guy

553
00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:43,840
Speaker 3: you can basically play every snap and be a plus starter,

554
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:46,119
Speaker 3: even though I don't feel like Bucks fans like him

555
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:49,120
Speaker 3: a lot. I did text your friend John Ledyard, who

556
00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:51,560
Speaker 3: you do the Readoptional podcast with a couple of weeks ago,

557
00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:54,000
Speaker 3: talking about and then he told me how Bucks fans

558
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:56,119
Speaker 3: aren't really that high in him, but he's a good player.

559
00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:56,720
Speaker 1: Yeah.

560
00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:59,120
Speaker 5: I think even AJ Bond would say, well, that's incredible

561
00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:02,800
Speaker 5: you comparing me to Kate in that camp. I Thinkon

562
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:05,560
Speaker 5: is like a foundational piece where if you drew up, now,

563
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:07,840
Speaker 5: what is the prototype of tight end you want? You

564
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:09,480
Speaker 5: cannot go on and just saying you want one of

565
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:13,240
Speaker 5: the special ones. It's like unrealistic, right, But of who

566
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:16,359
Speaker 5: is in that maybe second tier camp who just looks

567
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:18,119
Speaker 5: exactly like what you want to tight end to be

568
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:20,120
Speaker 5: the type of guy like Brenton Strange we talked about

569
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:23,200
Speaker 5: throughout the season. Kate Oughten is slap bang in that camp.

570
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:26,119
Speaker 5: A guy who is exceptional blocking on the move opens

571
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:29,320
Speaker 5: up your entire offense. Isn't this dynamic guy after the catch,

572
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 5: He's going to stretch the field, but is it in

573
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:33,879
Speaker 5: all the right spots, all the right times, catches everything

574
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:38,520
Speaker 5: thrown his way and just makes the offense more explosive

575
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:41,240
Speaker 5: by his presence and is an outstanding run blocker.

576
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:44,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, but he does he have a touchdown dance like Barner?

577
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:47,440
Speaker 3: Is he six foot eight like Barner? Am I overrating

578
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 3: AJ Barner? I just feel like he helped unlock that

579
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:51,720
Speaker 3: that offense so well.

580
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:53,080
Speaker 4: I love me some AJ Barner.

581
00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:54,119
Speaker 7: I love AJ Barner.

582
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:56,960
Speaker 5: I just think Aten is a slightly better all around player,

583
00:26:57,040 --> 00:27:00,520
Speaker 5: bit more nimble, can move a little more. Bonner I

584
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 5: think was really impactful to unlocking what Seattle could do

585
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 5: in the second half of the season, particularly in the

586
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 5: wrong game. But I just think you can you can

587
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 5: do a little bit more with Alton.

588
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 4: Two year advantage though.

589
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:12,000
Speaker 3: And I do think it's a position where, especially the

590
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 3: guys that are asked to do so much blocking in

591
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:19,480
Speaker 3: a perfect world are going to peak years three, four, five, six,

592
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:21,840
Speaker 3: you know seven. So that Barner was good and I

593
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 3: think that's true of Ot, and he's really improved. I

594
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 3: think in his career. Am I too much of an

595
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:29,640
Speaker 3: Isaiah Likely fan who's going to be on this show?

596
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:31,720
Speaker 3: To put him with these two guys? It sounds like

597
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 3: we're both leading maybe a hot take and putting out

598
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 3: in over pits in the ranking? Does Likely belong in

599
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 3: this tier or does he belong with the next group,

600
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 3: which probably is like Chigo Konquo Dallas Goddard still a

601
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:48,040
Speaker 3: good player at thirty one years old in djoku?

602
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 4: Is in that mix? What do you think about Likely?

603
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:54,360
Speaker 5: I love me some Isaiah Likely. He had to reminds

604
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:56,399
Speaker 5: me of God in terms of where he's at his

605
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 5: best in his usage, which is a lot of these

606
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:01,879
Speaker 5: like splitting back across them. He's an incredible block up

607
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 5: on the move. He's not a guy you like lining

608
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 5: up and sale let's run behind him and it's like

609
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:07,879
Speaker 5: having ground cowskill one of the great tight ends. But

610
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 5: opens up a ton for the ravens in terms of

611
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:13,119
Speaker 5: how he can move across the formation loky guys attack

612
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:15,880
Speaker 5: them and then has juice that I think a lot

613
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:17,680
Speaker 5: of the other people we were told about don't quite

614
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 5: have that vertical juice. I think he has still incredible

615
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 5: untapped potential to have a monthst the season, right.

616
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:26,120
Speaker 3: I mean that's well, that That's the part I'm struggling

617
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 3: with because if you just kind of were scouting these

618
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:32,520
Speaker 3: guys for the draft, but the NFL Draft, and you're

619
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:35,720
Speaker 3: just watching the tape, like, wouldn't you take Likely over

620
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 3: both and THEND pits at this point because it just

621
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 3: looks so good, and you're like, oh, the college, you know,

622
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 3: the college he went to, they didn't really know how

623
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 3: to use him. Why did he only get thirty six targets?

624
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 3: Why did they sign it? The you know, why did

625
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 3: Mark Andrews keep getting in like another contract? All that

626
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 3: worries me. I'm like, what are the you know, the

627
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 3: Ravens are a smart team. He has a great quarterback

628
00:28:55,480 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 3: with him, so the fact that he never was insane

629
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 3: productive and never including this year, was like a featured

630
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:08,360
Speaker 3: part of their offense worries me. Like, weeks fifteen and

631
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:11,400
Speaker 3: sixteen of this season, Ali, he didn't have a single target.

632
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:12,960
Speaker 3: I was like, did he not play? No, He's out

633
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 3: there forty five snaps. So maybe what am I missing

634
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 3: with Likely? Or should we just be grading on potential

635
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 3: because part of me thinks like he's more exciting than

636
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 3: Kate Atten or Kyle Pitts.

637
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:28,240
Speaker 5: It depends on what gets you out of bed in

638
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 5: the morning. Often makes me excited just for the predictability

639
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:33,960
Speaker 5: of how he plays the position. Likely has probably the

640
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 5: five highlight plays that get you really fired up. And

641
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 5: I think if you were asking someone like a Liam Cohen,

642
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 5: someone in that vein who's really creative about offense, they

643
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 5: would say, get me some Isaiah.

644
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 7: Likely.

645
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 5: I can do fun things with him that wouldn't be

646
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 5: available with the others. And he's willing to block and

647
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 5: is up for the fight in a way someone like

648
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 5: a Kyle Pitts may not be, And so there's real

649
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 5: untop potential.

650
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 4: Lere Well.

651
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 3: Also, he joined us on NFL Daily, so that's we

652
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:00,840
Speaker 3: also saw him in the elevator on the way out

653
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 3: on Saturday, me and me and my son. Very nice guy,

654
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 3: an enormous man. I like, what do you like? Why

655
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 3: do you think like the the Ravens signing Mark Andrews

656
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:17,240
Speaker 3: to another contract in November bothers me like maybe they

657
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 3: just really thought they could not get Likely. We're about

658
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 3: to listen to this conversation. But my takeaway even more

659
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 3: from like what he didn't say just vibes wise, was

660
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 3: like he knew his big contract is coming, and it's

661
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:33,200
Speaker 3: almost certainly not coming with the Ravens. Maybe maybe he

662
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 3: got offers during the season and he was just like, oh,

663
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 3: we're not even gonna discuss this, and that's why the

664
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 3: Andrews contract happened. But also he never was that big

665
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 3: of a part of the offense. So like, do you

666
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:44,960
Speaker 3: think there is some sort of reason I'm missing here?

667
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 7: I can't see the reason.

668
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 5: I think a player in there who can get way

669
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 5: more pacare I think it'll be interesting to see if

670
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 5: the Browns are interested in top Monkin is like, I

671
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 5: think there's more in that we weren't able to get

672
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 5: to and we could do a fun Harold Fan and

673
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 5: Isaiah likely too tight and mobile position versatile type players

674
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 5: and have some fun with this thing and they not

675
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 5: be a pretty big tell if they were a team

676
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 5: that was at least interested, you know, if they can't

677
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 5: get a deal done.

678
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:09,720
Speaker 4: I like what you said up for the fight.

679
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 3: He talked about that that he really grew to embrace

680
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 3: loving the fight of the blocking and he's a willing

681
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 3: blocker and he's a physical guy.

682
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:23,680
Speaker 4: Do you think okay? The next group Travis Kelce.

683
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 3: I'm just kind of putting to the side like he's

684
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:27,960
Speaker 3: a Kansas City chief. I'll have to figure out where

685
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 3: he goes in the overall structure. But he's just he

686
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 3: played pretty well last season. I thought he was good

687
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:37,240
Speaker 3: last season. But he's also just almost different than the

688
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 3: rest of this conversation. The next group I have is

689
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:43,600
Speaker 3: Oconco god her in in Djoko. If you're making this list,

690
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 3: do any of those guys go up into the tier above?

691
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 3: And how are you sorting them? I think there's some

692
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 3: similarities between those guys Chicoconco for the listeners who are

693
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 3: not familiar, is you know, coming to the end of

694
00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 3: his rookie contract, a big physical tight end for the Titans,

695
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 3: who reminds me in a lot of ways how John

696
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 3: new Smith's rookie contract went with the Titans. Obviously, Dallas

697
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:10,480
Speaker 3: s Gotdter one of the best tight ends of his generation,

698
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 3: still very productive. And then in Djoku made an announcement

699
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 3: on Instagram saying goodbye to the Browns after saying a

700
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 3: few months ago he'd be a Brown forever, but He's

701
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 3: at the end of a contract that has a void

702
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 3: year on it, and I think he knows where the

703
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 3: wind is blowing that they're not going to bring him

704
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 3: back and he'll be a free agent.

705
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:30,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, Dallas Gotta is one of my favorite players of

706
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 5: the past five six years. How much is still in there,

707
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:36,960
Speaker 5: whether the Eagles would just bring him back or not,

708
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 5: I'm not so sure he had the production this season.

709
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 5: I thought his down to down play was a pretty

710
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 5: steep drop off than what we've seen in recent seasons.

711
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:48,560
Speaker 5: Him as this kind of architectural type of what we

712
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 5: talked about with Kate often unlikely, this guy who can

713
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 5: block on the move and it's kind of ding has

714
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 5: not been a great block because when he's in the

715
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 5: trenches on his own one on one, it doesn't jump

716
00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:58,720
Speaker 5: off the screen. But what he opens up for you

717
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 5: as a movable piece playing in the backfield at such

718
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 5: a high level that I still do love me some

719
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 5: Dallas Gotta and a Conco's got some of that Tis

720
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 5: game too, without the tread and the tie is. I

721
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 5: think he's one of the more under the radar rains

722
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 5: who could have a big sooge somewhere else.

723
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:16,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, I like Oconko, he's kind of a one be

724
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 3: likely in that I always thought he was going to

725
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 3: be more productive. I mean, he's also my type that

726
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 3: just a big athletic guy who can make some vertical catches,

727
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 3: but also when he's rolling down the field and running

728
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:33,840
Speaker 3: over linebackers. He did it so quickly as a tight end,

729
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 3: as a rookie who it's a hard position to adapt

730
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 3: to that you thought there'd be more but the production

731
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 3: never really changed that much.

732
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 4: But you can leave him on the field, and I'm

733
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 4: with you.

734
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 3: I'm kind of leaning towards almost bumping him up to

735
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 3: the bottom of the tier below in what will be

736
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 3: the overall rankings. And if i'm picking up whether you're

737
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 3: putting down, I think God are a little lower there.

738
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think Gotta has tremendous value to one friend

739
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 5: and maybe not to plenty of those. A conquo is

740
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 5: a difficult one because I do think the run game

741
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 5: stuff is a real problem. He has a little bit

742
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 5: of the pits where it's are you just getting a

743
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 5: guy who wants to be a wide receiver but teams

744
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 5: don't even address as kind of a mismatch piece to

745
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 5: have that impact. And we've seen this with Dalton Kincaid

746
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 5: and Dawson Knox with Buffalo. You can only have so

747
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:22,320
Speaker 5: many mismatch guys, and if they're not truly creating a

748
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 5: sizeable mismatch, if the team, if the defense doesn't respect it,

749
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:27,799
Speaker 5: it's not a mismatch. If they just put a dB

750
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 5: on that guy, it no longer becomes that kind of

751
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 5: a mismatch for the offense. And so with a con Quo,

752
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 5: it's a little bit like, are you just drafting a

753
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:37,880
Speaker 5: slower receiver when you could just have a receiver on

754
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:39,239
Speaker 5: the field, which is kind of where the Titans have

755
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:41,280
Speaker 5: got to consistently of saying we'll just put a receiver

756
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:43,319
Speaker 5: on the field rather than have Chig out there.

757
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 3: And Djoku, I just don't think is the consistent player

758
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 3: that you want a little up, up and down right now.

759
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:54,760
Speaker 3: Of all the there's a long, other list of just others.

760
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:58,760
Speaker 3: Darren Waller act had a good year for the Dolphin.

761
00:34:59,040 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 4: He came back.

762
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 3: I do I have to put Darren Waller on my

763
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 3: one on one I and like, here's just a bunch

764
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 3: of names I want to throw because I I want

765
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 3: to get to our interview. You know, Waller, Tyler Higbee

766
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:12,840
Speaker 3: when he came back, was he's a consistent player, like

767
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 3: he's going to help someone if it's not the Rams.

768
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 3: Daniel Bellingers had some production with the Giants, is now

769
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:20,759
Speaker 3: now a free agent. Then we get pretty deep into

770
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 3: it where it's the tight end two threes with Austin

771
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 3: Hooper and Charlie Kohler and probably not names that are

772
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:28,239
Speaker 3: going to make my list, but just in case they

773
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 3: stand out to you. I don't know anyone there that

774
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 3: you have a soft spot for that you think might

775
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 3: deserve a one oh one rank am.

776
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:36,319
Speaker 4: I'm like, does Darren Waller deserve to get back in there?

777
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:36,799
Speaker 3: The end?

778
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 5: I would rather be in the wall of business, in

779
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:42,360
Speaker 5: the ing joku business, I think, which is why no

780
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 5: one will have a let me run a franchise because

781
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:49,240
Speaker 5: I probably like a dummy. Eight months later, Charlie Cola,

782
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:52,719
Speaker 5: I think is really impactful and someone's gonna pick him

783
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:54,840
Speaker 5: up and it's gonna be a sneaky thing where we

784
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 5: get to week eight of next season and says Charlie Coler,

785
00:35:57,400 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 5: a key feature of this offense for reasons that remain

786
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 5: on cle it, but on the wola, I would still

787
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:05,880
Speaker 5: be really interested if he still wants to play obviously

788
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:08,839
Speaker 5: as just a dynamic red zone target can still really

789
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,759
Speaker 5: stretch the field. I was stunned, how like live and

790
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 5: nimble and explosive. He still looks I would be big

791
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 5: into the wall of business if.

792
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 3: He's okay, Yeah, I think I think he might sneak

793
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:22,319
Speaker 3: in there. And yeah, Cohler is one of those. Yeah,

794
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 3: he'll get a better deal I think than people expect

795
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:28,920
Speaker 3: because every there aren't There aren't many guys like him

796
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 3: blocking tight ends out there.

797
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 4: And then finally look there.

798
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 3: There could be a lot of potential cuts this offseason

799
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 3: and potential trades like the list at tight end alone

800
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 3: is kind of outrageous.

801
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:43,439
Speaker 4: I came up with TJ.

802
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:46,279
Speaker 3: Hockinson cutting in would save sixteen million dollars. They could

803
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 3: use it, or a trade like that would make some sense.

804
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 3: Cole Comet I mentioned, I don't know if he makes

805
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 3: sense there anymore. John os Smith and Pat Fryarmuth both Ernie.

806
00:36:57,120 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 3: I mean they barely used Friarmuth. I think he's solid,

807
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:03,400
Speaker 3: but they if you're not going to use him, he

808
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 3: could be a potential trade target. Jonas with maybe more

809
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:08,880
Speaker 3: of a cut. Dawson Knox I thought of two those

810
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 3: were just like a few of the guys I could

811
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:15,759
Speaker 3: see absolutely being available either in free agency or if

812
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 3: you wanted to trade for him. I don't know if

813
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 3: any of those guys kind of stand out as guys

814
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:21,239
Speaker 3: particularly available or that you like.

815
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:23,759
Speaker 5: I think fry Moof is one hundred percent available. I

816
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 5: think if Aaron Rodgers comes back, he'll be the first

817
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,320
Speaker 5: guy to walk out the door. So I think you

818
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:30,359
Speaker 5: can go pick up the phone and get fry Moof today.

819
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:31,760
Speaker 5: And I don't think it's going to be that expensive,

820
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:33,920
Speaker 5: and I think it would be a pretty great Bilow

821
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:34,839
Speaker 5: candidate for two.

822
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:38,360
Speaker 4: I think Kip Comet too. I think he's a solid player.

823
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 3: Maybe maybe the Bears maybe he's solid enough the Bears

824
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:43,239
Speaker 3: just want to keep him, but he just he's like

825
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 3: I think entering the final year of his contract, they'd

826
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 3: save a lot if they if they wanted to trade him.

827
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 4: I think he's a solid player.

828
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:49,279
Speaker 7: He's perfect for them.

829
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 5: He's effectively an extra lineman for you, and with the

830
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:54,279
Speaker 5: way teams are playing right now, he can be an

831
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:58,320
Speaker 5: incredibly valuable number two piece. It's just the receiving element

832
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 5: of the game is sol with a standard that it's

833
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 5: a bit of a problem. But if you want to

834
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:04,920
Speaker 5: play in that heavier world, which a lot of teams do,

835
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 5: and you don't want to commit to putting an extra

836
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:08,320
Speaker 5: alignment on the field, the next best thing is a

837
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:08,840
Speaker 5: coal comet.

838
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:10,759
Speaker 4: And I know they gave up a lot for TJ.

839
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 3: Hockinson and like he you know, catches a lot of

840
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 3: passes if you're a PPR fantasy owner, although until this year.

841
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 4: But it's just a lot of a lot of money,

842
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 4: and they need the money.

843
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:24,839
Speaker 3: I have a feeling he could be available or cut.

844
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 3: That's not what I've really seen thrown out there too much.

845
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 3: But I don't think they would miss that much if

846
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 3: they lost TJ.

847
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 4: Howkinson. I am I wrong?

848
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:31,840
Speaker 7: No, I don't think so.

849
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 4: Okay, all right, Olli's helping me set the table. He's

850
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:38,719
Speaker 4: a likely fan. I'm a likely fan.

851
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 3: Hopefully Isaiah likely gets more than thirty six targets in

852
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 3: twenty twenty six.

853
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 4: Let's listen to my conversation.

854
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:47,959
Speaker 3: It's me, it's Nick Schook who met him at eye level,

855
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:49,800
Speaker 3: which I appreciated.

856
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 4: And Isaiah likely.

857
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:54,320
Speaker 3: This was last week in San Francisco, welcoming in a

858
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:59,120
Speaker 3: man who is going to be ranked quite highly on

859
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 3: my top one know one free agency list coming up

860
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 3: by assuming he makes it's a free agency, it is

861
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:05,720
Speaker 3: Isaiah Likely.

862
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:09,399
Speaker 4: Of the Baltimore Ravens joining the show. Welcome Isaiah, thank

863
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 4: you for having me mo Man. I don't know why

864
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:12,239
Speaker 4: I led with that right now.

865
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:16,280
Speaker 3: Maybe you know it's it's time to make make your money.

866
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:18,920
Speaker 3: So what the hell why don't you pitch me about

867
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 3: I'm gonna watch the tape and obviously we've been watching

868
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:26,359
Speaker 3: you during your rookie contract, dynamic player, explosive. I think

869
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 3: a lot of teams want tight ends like you, But

870
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:30,400
Speaker 3: why do you make the case to me why you

871
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:32,759
Speaker 3: should be high on that list maybe compared to you know,

872
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 3: some of the other tight ends and just in just

873
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 3: what you've developed in your game over the last four years.

874
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:40,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I feel like, you know, coming into

875
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:43,759
Speaker 2: the NFL, uh, a lot of people didn't say I

876
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,439
Speaker 2: was a great blocker. I feel like, you know, since

877
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:47,880
Speaker 2: I've been in the league, I put on tape that

878
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,399
Speaker 2: you know, not only a my wiling blocker, but I'm

879
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 2: also not you know, somebody that goes on the field

880
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:54,239
Speaker 2: and you know what the concept is.

881
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:55,319
Speaker 1: You know, you don't know if it's a.

882
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 2: Past pass, player, run play or for play action anything.

883
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:00,359
Speaker 2: So just being able to be on in the field,

884
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 2: being able to do in line, outside, in the slot

885
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:05,399
Speaker 2: in the backfield. I feel like, you know, just being

886
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:06,880
Speaker 2: able to be that chess piece for the offense for

887
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:09,799
Speaker 2: the Ravens, you know, as I was the last four years,

888
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:11,360
Speaker 2: being able to be out there and then when the

889
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 2: balls in my hands, being able.

890
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 1: To hit a home run from anywhere.

891
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 2: So I feel like that's just, you know, something I

892
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:18,759
Speaker 2: bring to the team, whether it's you know, enthusiasm on

893
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:20,719
Speaker 2: the field or on the sideline. I feel like, you know,

894
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:21,799
Speaker 2: being a leader is what I had.

895
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:23,879
Speaker 9: I like the idea of being a chess piece because

896
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 9: if you think about the way you fit into the

897
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 9: Ravens offense, it's you and Mark Andrews. But as you

898
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 9: approach free agency, a lot of teams are gonna look

899
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 9: at you as tight End one for sure. What would

900
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 9: you tell them if they were skeptical about you potentially

901
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 9: owning that role?

902
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:38,839
Speaker 2: I say, with me, at tight end one, you get,

903
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:41,320
Speaker 2: like I said, the chess piece. I mean, I've prided

904
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:43,719
Speaker 2: myself on knowing where everybody is on the offense, whether

905
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:45,840
Speaker 2: it's what a receiver has the running back where the

906
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 2: quarterback protections is, you know how the drop the you know,

907
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:51,279
Speaker 2: the yard marks on what I have to do with

908
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 2: my route. So being able to just being out there

909
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 2: and be able to get open for the quarterback. I mean,

910
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:57,800
Speaker 2: I pride myself on being able to make spectacular grabs,

911
00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:00,400
Speaker 2: you know, whether it's down the field or into media

912
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:02,719
Speaker 2: or whether it's short. Being able to have that you

913
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:04,440
Speaker 2: know piece where the quarterback trust me to put the

914
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 2: ball in my hand and make a play for him.

915
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:09,400
Speaker 3: I mean, and they ask you to block that. Obviously

916
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:13,400
Speaker 3: you're willing, you have no choice, but that surprised me

917
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 3: at times. How like that that's such a big part

918
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 3: of your role. What was it like kind of these

919
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:23,719
Speaker 3: last couple of years. And I know Todd Mounkins moved on,

920
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 3: it's going to be a different type of Ravency, but

921
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:29,840
Speaker 3: but being a part of that offense with Lamar and

922
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 3: the kind of versatility that you guys had, Like, what

923
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:35,439
Speaker 3: was that experience, especially these last two years.

924
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you know, I'll start off with when

925
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 2: you play with the Ravens, you know that as long

926
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:42,759
Speaker 2: as you have Duce Duce Derek Henry behind you're gonna

927
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:45,840
Speaker 2: run that ball. So it's just getting into the mindset of, Okay,

928
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 2: I can't have my guy make the play because one,

929
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 2: I don't want to hear Dereck Henry say nothing.

930
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:51,840
Speaker 1: I don't want to hear Lamar say nothing. And I

931
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 1: don't want to be, you.

932
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 2: Know, the guy that always has you know, blocking backside

933
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:57,839
Speaker 2: or tackle loss for my guy. So really just taking

934
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 2: the standpoint of just never let my guy to make

935
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 2: the play, whether it's unblocked for Lamar and the outside

936
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:04,880
Speaker 2: and the quarterback driven blocking for Derek Henry on the

937
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:07,440
Speaker 2: goal liner in the millfield, and really just being able to,

938
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 2: you know, trust my leverage, just whatever I have and

939
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:11,800
Speaker 2: understand that you know, I'm never gonna be the biggest

940
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 2: guy blocking. So just going from my standpoint of, okay,

941
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:17,279
Speaker 2: what can I do for my guy not to make

942
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 2: the play. And that's most most of the side of

943
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:21,880
Speaker 2: you know, outside where we had Lamar Jackson, where it's

944
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:23,400
Speaker 2: if he has the ball in his hands, you know,

945
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:25,440
Speaker 2: he always gonna make at least two people miss. So

946
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:27,239
Speaker 2: making sure that you know, I get him Alayne to

947
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 2: run where he's clean slate.

948
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 1: So he can hit twenty one.

949
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 9: Can you take us inside the mind of because like

950
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:34,359
Speaker 9: when people think about catching passes, first they think of receiver,

951
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:36,239
Speaker 9: but that they think of tight end. And obviously you'd

952
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:37,800
Speaker 9: like to be running routes all the time. Sure you

953
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:39,359
Speaker 9: know you blocked because you have to, but you're also

954
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:41,479
Speaker 9: willing to. So can you take us inside the mind

955
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:44,840
Speaker 9: of a tight end on the field on a Sunday like,

956
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:46,919
Speaker 9: because you know that you're not just looking to catch

957
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:47,839
Speaker 9: passes for sure.

958
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 2: And I say, you know, the emphasis you know in

959
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 2: our room is when you're one eleven. And I mean

960
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 2: whether that's in the blocking game, whether that's in the

961
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 2: past game, we's in the pass protection game, whether that's

962
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 2: anywhere on the field, because football traditionally into segments and situations,

963
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:05,799
Speaker 2: so you know when you're up on when you're up

964
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 2: in Baltimore, it was a lot you know last year

965
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 2: whereas four minutes drive, well a lot of teams are

966
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:12,879
Speaker 2: four minutes know that you're going to run the ball.

967
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 2: So it's now it's a willing on. Okay, how do

968
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 2: we get those two first downs to in the game.

969
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 2: So now it's we're a heavy person out where you

970
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:21,919
Speaker 2: have at least three tight ends on the field.

971
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 1: Count Pat Patrick hard, and how do you.

972
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 2: Get those two first downs to get victory formason end

973
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 2: or it's when you're a tight end they're in two

974
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 2: minute drive before the half or and in the game.

975
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 2: How do you get those first downs to get a

976
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 2: chance to have your kick and make a game winning

977
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 2: field goal or to win a game winning touchdown? And

978
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:39,759
Speaker 2: I feel like, you know, with Baltimore, they were let

979
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:42,280
Speaker 2: me go, whether it's outside, in the slide, in line

980
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 2: motion me and be able to you know, have matchups

981
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:48,400
Speaker 2: where it's okay, Isaiah's on the linebacker, Okay, how do

982
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 2: we get them the ball the quickest way possible. Isaiah's

983
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:51,759
Speaker 2: on the safety. How do we get the ball up

984
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:53,879
Speaker 2: up high enough to make him go and make a play.

985
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 2: Isaiah has a corner on him. How do we have

986
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:57,719
Speaker 2: a big body player make a play? And I feel like,

987
00:43:57,760 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 2: you know, Baltimore did a great job with me last

988
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 2: cup years being able to, you know, show the world

989
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:04,279
Speaker 2: my standpoint emphasis on what I can do with the

990
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:06,319
Speaker 2: ball in my hand or in the route get I.

991
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 3: Mean, you're showing the world what you can do with

992
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:13,480
Speaker 3: that chain for people watching on YouTube, a big.

993
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 4: Chain.

994
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:17,480
Speaker 3: I don't know what my question is, but I mean,

995
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:18,960
Speaker 3: if you're gonna wear a chain like that, I feel

996
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:20,480
Speaker 3: like you're gonna want to talk about it a little bit.

997
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 10: I mean, okay, so this my first chain, come into

998
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 10: the league, and I got my area code six point

999
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:30,400
Speaker 10: seven where I'm from Massachusetts, and then likely and then

1000
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:33,760
Speaker 10: obviously I got my initials for everything detail.

1001
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, I see, I didn't realize you were a massive.

1002
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:38,759
Speaker 1: Where are you from?

1003
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:42,920
Speaker 3: I'm from Western mass You're born in Cambridge, Yeah, you're

1004
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 3: you're classy er. I'm I'm out on the stick. What

1005
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 3: was it like like being next to the Lamar for fort, Like,

1006
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 3: I don't know if you have any perspective that maybe

1007
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:57,360
Speaker 3: the average fan someone like me wouldn't wouldn't have that

1008
00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:01,320
Speaker 3: that something you see in practice that just like that

1009
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:03,279
Speaker 3: makes you say, wow that just the rest of the

1010
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 3: world doesn't even see.

1011
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:07,319
Speaker 1: I say, you know, my first time meeting Lamar.

1012
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:10,439
Speaker 2: Everybody, you know, when you play Madden and you packed

1013
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:12,880
Speaker 2: the Raven, you paid Lamar Jackson, You're making plays all

1014
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 2: around the field doing crazy stuff.

1015
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 1: So you know, my first day seeing.

1016
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 2: Him do out there on the practice field, and then

1017
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:20,400
Speaker 2: like literally telling my friends, like teesting my friends. Right

1018
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 2: when I get to my locker, like, bro, I just

1019
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 2: have my first practice with Lamar Jackson and then like

1020
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:26,480
Speaker 2: him just walking up to you know, my locker and

1021
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 2: smacked me upside the head like just.

1022
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 1: Doing it, like he just had no reason, just did it.

1023
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 1: And I was just like dad, Lamar, like what it is?

1024
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:36,239
Speaker 2: He was just like so so just having you know

1025
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 2: that you know, big brother of mentality with him, and

1026
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 2: I feel like we've grown to the aspect of you know,

1027
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:41,839
Speaker 2: that's my big brother. At the end of the day,

1028
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:43,719
Speaker 2: like I do anything for Lamar, right, run different, that's

1029
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 2: my guy. And that's why I stand up here and

1030
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 2: talk about how good he is and how great he

1031
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 2: is because at the end of day, like he'll do

1032
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 2: anything for the team for you as long as he

1033
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:54,319
Speaker 2: loves you. And I feel like, you know, him opened

1034
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:56,279
Speaker 2: me up with open ours my rookie year, being a

1035
00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 2: super super star caliber player that he is was just

1036
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:01,279
Speaker 2: you know, art warming because at the end of the day,

1037
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:05,800
Speaker 2: like I've seen him as Lamar Jackson, like NFL MVP,

1038
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:09,480
Speaker 2: everything all glitz and glamour of everything he's done. And

1039
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 2: then like him, she just opened me up, open arms,

1040
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 2: call him l call him big brother, laugh and joke

1041
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 2: him all day.

1042
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 1: I can hit it.

1043
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:16,920
Speaker 2: I can hit Lamar upside of the head in the

1044
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 2: middle of the day and want nobody you won't say

1045
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:19,160
Speaker 2: nothing about it.

1046
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:21,439
Speaker 1: He'd probably hit me back. But that's just my big brother.

1047
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 3: It's like you gotta say, it's not gonna go as

1048
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 3: well for me, shod quick.

1049
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 9: It'd be like a little like yeah, put you in

1050
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 9: a little choke hold and give you a nooggie, like

1051
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:33,319
Speaker 9: your little brother type of thing. It sounds like Lamar

1052
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:35,960
Speaker 9: went from like mythical figure to like brother. You know

1053
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 9: what about you know, being on the field in that

1054
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:41,359
Speaker 9: VK team game in Pittsburgh, Like, can you take us

1055
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:43,919
Speaker 9: back through that moment, those moments, especially in that wild

1056
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:44,439
Speaker 9: fourth court.

1057
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:46,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll say fourth court, Like okay.

1058
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 2: I always tell everybody like when Lamar gets in this

1059
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 2: mold where it's like he'll get on the sideline and

1060
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 2: like he's like telling everybody like it don't matter what's

1061
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:57,239
Speaker 2: going on out there, as long as I have the.

1062
00:46:57,239 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 1: Ball in my hand, we're gonna do.

1063
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:00,919
Speaker 2: We're gonna score his drive and and that fourth quarter

1064
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 2: in Pittsburgh, he had that look and I told everybody

1065
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:05,239
Speaker 2: on that sideline like as long as A has the

1066
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:07,799
Speaker 2: ball last in this game, we're going to win this game.

1067
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 2: So you know, that whole fourth quarter where he's doing everything,

1068
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:12,360
Speaker 2: breaking tackles, breaking sacks, throwing touchdowns.

1069
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:13,400
Speaker 1: It was crazy.

1070
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:15,759
Speaker 2: And then we get to the fourth down play where

1071
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:19,440
Speaker 2: it's like, okay, the first three plays, their first two

1072
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 2: plays didn't work.

1073
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:21,399
Speaker 1: Now we're in third down.

1074
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 2: Now it's like, okay, we're getting the huddle, we get

1075
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:24,680
Speaker 2: to break, we get to breathe a little bit.

1076
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:26,279
Speaker 1: And I looked at L and I was like, look,

1077
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:27,840
Speaker 1: if anything, if anything, look at me.

1078
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:29,920
Speaker 2: I got you like, and I try to have that

1079
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:32,359
Speaker 2: aspect of my game where it's like the quarterback's best friend.

1080
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 2: Understand that. You know, if the quarterback puts the ball

1081
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:36,279
Speaker 2: in the air for me, I gotta go make a

1082
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:38,160
Speaker 2: play for right, wrong or in different wherever it is.

1083
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:39,880
Speaker 2: So I just gave him that looked like, if you

1084
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:41,880
Speaker 2: don't see nothing out there and you see me running,

1085
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:42,799
Speaker 2: just throw the ball up.

1086
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 1: I'll make a player. And that's what he did. And

1087
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 1: that's exactly what he did.

1088
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 2: He sat back, went up and just looked at it

1089
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 2: and put the ball in there. Because that's my biggest

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00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 2: thing with L. I tell him like, if anything's put

1091
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:53,080
Speaker 2: the ball up where nobody can get it but me.

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Speaker 2: And that's exactly what he did in the fourth down.

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00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:56,239
Speaker 2: I went to go get the ball and then I

1094
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 2: kind of blacked out.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's incredible. Is there there any spots to.

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00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 1: Your thinking about Uh, not really necessarily.

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00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:10,720
Speaker 2: I mean, I obviously want to be in the situation

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00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 2: where you know, our quarterbacks already you know, established himself

1099
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:19,759
Speaker 2: showing that he's you know, able to make probably every

1100
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 2: throw in the field. Understand that I want to be,

1101
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:25,320
Speaker 2: you know, in a situation where I'm prioritized.

1102
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:27,080
Speaker 1: I can be the tight end that I want to be.

1103
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 2: I can be the tight end that the team needs

1104
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 2: me to be, and I can show the team that

1105
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 2: not only you know, am my cable making you know,

1106
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:36,279
Speaker 2: splash players, but I could do everything that you need

1107
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 2: me to do.

1108
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:39,239
Speaker 3: And look on your face I first told me like, yeah,

1109
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:42,880
Speaker 3: I got a couple of but it's not why my

1110
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 3: agent exactly.

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00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:46,360
Speaker 9: And you think about it, though, you end up with

1112
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 9: the young quarterback tight ends tend to be the best friend,

1113
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:50,400
Speaker 9: but it could be a high volume situation for you.

1114
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:54,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I say that, you know, just watching h

1115
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 2: even the situation that just happened with Chicago, like Lovelin

1116
00:48:57,320 --> 00:48:59,760
Speaker 2: being that you know, best friend of Caleb in situations.

1117
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:03,239
Speaker 2: I mean I saw Loveling get like fifteen targets. I

1118
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:04,799
Speaker 2: don't want to say this past game or the game

1119
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:07,320
Speaker 2: before that he played where they won, he had fifteen

1120
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 2: target but that that.

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Speaker 1: Like when you have a hot hand like that.

1122
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:12,319
Speaker 2: Tight end is hard because you have a linebackers are

1123
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:14,799
Speaker 2: usually too slow to guards you a safety. That's usually

1124
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:17,800
Speaker 2: the quote unquote favorable matchup. But in the tight ends perspective,

1125
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:19,480
Speaker 2: I never want like if I see man covers, I

1126
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 2: gotta win, and corners are too small. So it's always

1127
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:24,320
Speaker 2: just I feel like that's, you know, the best position

1128
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:25,600
Speaker 2: to throw the ball to on the field.

1129
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:27,719
Speaker 1: That's just me saying. It's not like I played a

1130
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 1: little bit of yeah attle bit.

1131
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:31,960
Speaker 2: I feel like that's, you know, exactly exactly what the

1132
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:34,520
Speaker 2: quarterbacks looking for. Whether you know Patrick Mahomes and Travis

1133
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:39,880
Speaker 2: Kelcey all these years, I'll say, Trey McBride with whoever

1134
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 2: he had quarterback, we're set throw the ball a lot.

1135
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:44,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, Kyler was throwing him the ball a lot.

1136
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 2: Brought Bowers Tyler Warren, Like I can keep going down

1137
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:48,279
Speaker 2: the list, but I feel like you know when you

1138
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:50,719
Speaker 2: have a quarterback, when your tight ends your best friend,

1139
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:51,319
Speaker 2: I feel like good things.

1140
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:53,680
Speaker 9: We're in a great era for tight ends too. Congratulations

1141
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 9: on being in the NFL during this time.

1142
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:57,160
Speaker 4: It's a lot of interesting names.

1143
00:49:57,160 --> 00:49:59,279
Speaker 3: It's going to be part of our content and what

1144
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:01,520
Speaker 3: we're talking about coming up because Kyle Pitts right now,

1145
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:04,560
Speaker 3: Kate Otten's an interesting guy. But you're going to be

1146
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:06,600
Speaker 3: high on that list, Travis Kelsey. I mean, he's probably

1147
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:08,359
Speaker 3: just coming back to Kansas City. If he doesn't come back,

1148
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:10,439
Speaker 3: God her a concord. There are a lot of guys

1149
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:12,800
Speaker 3: that could be out there, but I'm really looking forward

1150
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:14,839
Speaker 3: to seeing where you land, and who knows, it might

1151
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:16,040
Speaker 3: be back in Baltimore.

1152
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:17,480
Speaker 4: Isaiah Like they thanks for joining.

1153
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:18,400
Speaker 1: Us, We said, you guys for having me.

1154
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:22,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, I really appreciated that conversation with Isaiah Likely, And

1155
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:25,400
Speaker 3: I've talked to a few people that like people are

1156
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:28,280
Speaker 3: just fans of Isaiah Likely, like the dude, the player.

1157
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:30,720
Speaker 3: So I do think he's going to have fans around

1158
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:32,839
Speaker 3: the league, and the Browns would make a lot of sense.

1159
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:36,799
Speaker 4: Now that you mentioned it, Ali, I'll release you where

1160
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:39,239
Speaker 4: what rookies. Are you studying right now?

1161
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:39,400
Speaker 5: Like?

1162
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:40,279
Speaker 4: Where are you at?

1163
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:42,520
Speaker 7: We're in full lineback in mode right now.

1164
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:46,160
Speaker 5: I am addicted on healthy to Keyshawn Elliott of Arizona,

1165
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:48,600
Speaker 5: see who I believe is like three hundred and eightieth

1166
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 5: on the consensus bull But I just saw Dane Brugla

1167
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:53,919
Speaker 5: put him in his top one hundred. Dane does seem

1168
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:55,920
Speaker 5: to influence all the other big balls. I've noticed that

1169
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:58,279
Speaker 5: when Dane says something, all of a sudden, guys fly up.

1170
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:01,640
Speaker 5: So I think we'll see Keyshawnelle you become considered like

1171
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:03,600
Speaker 5: a late rise of when people just get to the

1172
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:06,480
Speaker 5: film and see this guy as a really impressive linebucket.

1173
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:08,880
Speaker 4: I love that, and I know linebackers are near and

1174
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:09,600
Speaker 4: dear to your heart.

1175
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:11,200
Speaker 3: We're going to be going through all the rankings and

1176
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:13,680
Speaker 3: if for anyone that hasn't been listening to forties and freeings,

1177
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:17,920
Speaker 3: I've been doing a similar type of conversation with Daniel Jeremiah,

1178
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:20,680
Speaker 3: bouncing off my free agency list at quarterback, running back,

1179
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:23,719
Speaker 3: wide receiver with DJ and we'll keep rolling through the

1180
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:25,080
Speaker 3: positions in the coming weeks.

1181
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:27,799
Speaker 4: That's it. We will have one more show this week

1182
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:31,480
Speaker 4: and then I'm going into the mines.

1183
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:34,279
Speaker 3: I'm putting my free agency list ready, and we might

1184
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:35,799
Speaker 3: take a little bit of a long weekend here at

1185
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:39,520
Speaker 3: NFL Daily, But it's one of my favorite new annual traditions,

1186
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:43,360
Speaker 3: me Bill Barnwell going through the top trade candidates of

1187
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:46,480
Speaker 3: the entire offseason. We nailed some of them last year.

1188
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:48,319
Speaker 3: See if we can do it again on Friday. We'll

1189
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:48,719
Speaker 3: see you then.