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Speaker 1: do probably twenty of the next twenty four weeks. I'm
Speaker 1: going to take a couple of Sundays and be off here.
Speaker 1: Next Sunday, I'm off. Following Sunday, I'm going to England
Speaker 1: with my wife. She's never been there. Got to take
Speaker 1: her on that last August trip because then I got
Speaker 1: six and a half months of no time off. So sometimes, John,
Speaker 1: the league has changed so much, and we've seen defensive
Speaker 1: coaches Belichick, Pete Carroll really look outdated. The Pittsburgh Steelers.
Speaker 1: Now we have to have this conversation about Mike Tomlin.
Speaker 1: Pretty early this year, Russell Wilson had five series one
Speaker 1: first down. They can't get the snap right with justin feet.
Speaker 1: This offensive line still a mess, doesn't get a great push. Now,
Speaker 1: we can keep blaming Russell Wilson, but if you go
Speaker 1: back to last year, let's be fair. Once Hacket left
Speaker 1: and Peyton took over, Russell wasn't the primary issue last year.
Speaker 2: Limited.
Speaker 1: Yes, the defense was egregiously bad. Is I look at
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh right now and they have too many good players
Speaker 1: to be pathetic offensively? And I mean, Russell Wilson's been
Speaker 1: in this league a long time.
Speaker 2: He can't pick up.
Speaker 1: First downs, first downs? When does the Mike Tomlin. I mean,
Speaker 1: everybody likes it. It's like Pete Carroll. Pete Carroll's got
Speaker 1: super Bowls too, Mike's gone him. But when I watched
Speaker 1: that team, I'm like, they just feel like tone deaf offensively.
Speaker 3: Yeah, to me, I thought it was a time for
Speaker 3: a divorce. Last year, you know, Andy Reid and the
Speaker 3: Philadelphia Eagles got a divorce. How'd that work out for
Speaker 3: both Super Bowl? For the Eagles, Andy's won three, everyone benefited. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it doesn't feel like anyone's ever on the hot seat
Speaker 3: in Pittsburgh. I'm out. I'm out this year. I think
Speaker 3: this is the year that it finally kind of comes
Speaker 3: to roost and they don't go over five hundred. That
Speaker 3: the offense, the offensive line was getting smoked.
Speaker 2: Smoked.
Speaker 3: Russell's a shell of what he used to be, you know,
Speaker 3: a guy that's lost his confidence. Fields kind of is
Speaker 3: what he is. I mean, it's just it's carbon copy
Speaker 3: of what we saw last year. They the moment Big
Speaker 3: Ben started falling off a cliff and listen, they got
Speaker 3: Lucky's the wrong word because they drafted him and he
Speaker 3: became a star, and physically at the end, it was
Speaker 3: ugly and he was not the same guy. Obviously threw
Speaker 3: out his arm. They drafted Kenny Pickett in the first round.
Speaker 3: That's that's embarrassing. Like to me, this isn't embarrassing what
Speaker 3: they're doing. They got Russell for a million dollars and
Speaker 3: traded nothing for Justin Fields. It's kind of desperate. It's cheap.
Speaker 3: The Kenny Pickett in the first round. I don't know
Speaker 3: if you had a chance. I don't blame you if
Speaker 3: you did not watch any of that Eagles Patriot preseason
Speaker 3: game Thursday night. I watch Kenny Pickett's not He's not
Speaker 3: very good. Yeah, and even if he is a quote
Speaker 3: unquote NFL player, he's the type guy you draft historically
Speaker 3: in like the fourth fifth round. Yeah, same building. You
Speaker 3: always talk about this Pittsburgh. They feel some loyalty there.
Speaker 3: It kind of gets weird. He wasn't even remotely close
Speaker 3: to a first round talent in the history of the league. Obviously,
Speaker 3: we've got a little quarterback inflation, but they've had a
Speaker 3: quarterback issue for the last four or five years, and
Speaker 3: this year I think it's gonna be worse than last year,
Speaker 3: even though these guys are more talented, because how polarizing
Speaker 3: are these two individuals. I mean, Russell's one of the
Speaker 3: biggest stars in the last fifteen years. He's become a
Speaker 3: lightning rod and Fields has this like cult like following
Speaker 3: and listen, I'm the one saying you should throw him
Speaker 3: in because at least he can run around, and he
Speaker 3: did that yesterday. But you can't depend I mean, how
Speaker 3: many games last year did they win because like TJ.
Speaker 3: Watt got a sack fumble touchdown or you know, the
Speaker 3: weird shit happens. They play a ton of close games.
Speaker 3: I think this is the year that it just doesn't work.
Speaker 3: Now for them, that's not three or four wins, but
Speaker 3: seven eight wins in Pittsburgh feels like disaster does not.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, Tomlin signed an extension. I'm just saying that
Speaker 1: if Andy Reid, Bill Belichick and Pete Carroll can be
Speaker 1: let go, and I don't think Pittsburgh will, But we've
Speaker 1: got to be honest about this. There is some I've
Speaker 1: been on this for like four years. If you go
Speaker 1: to the best offensive lines in football and the worst
Speaker 1: the bottom is overwhelmingly defensive coaches. Now, the Giants is
Speaker 1: a drafting issue, So Dave all gets pass there, but
Speaker 1: it's there is something about offensive coaches and the ability
Speaker 1: to remake, reboot and develop offensive lines. When's the last
Speaker 1: bad Packer offensive line they've had offensive coaches? I mean
Speaker 1: New England right now, atrocious offensive line.
Speaker 2: See.
Speaker 1: I think one of the reasons Pete Carroll got asked
Speaker 1: is they just felt he the talent was better than
Speaker 1: the production. But I watch Pittsburgh right now, and there
Speaker 1: are things I've always said. Tomlin reminds me a little
Speaker 1: of Pete Carroll. He's a pro, he's got trophy. He'd
Speaker 1: get a job. And you know, if Pete was fifteen
Speaker 1: years younger, he'd get another job.
Speaker 3: You can hire last cycle.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Also, Tomlin is the greatest lock to be a great broadcaster.
Speaker 1: I think Fox would not hire him a fifteen minutes
Speaker 1: Fox would hire He'd get a lot.
Speaker 3: Of money in the open market as a coach. Someone
Speaker 3: are paying fifteen million dollars the Eagles. If they had,
Speaker 3: you know, he would get he'd be interviewing for the
Speaker 3: top jobs.
Speaker 1: But I do think the culture in Pittsburgh to me,
Speaker 1: feels outdated. All their money is on the defensive side.
Speaker 1: They can't develop an offensive line. They still draft and
Speaker 1: develop a wide receiver, pass rusher, defensive line, linebacker at
Speaker 1: a very elite level free agency. They're not biggest spenders,
Speaker 1: but they'll go out and make a deal. I kind
Speaker 1: of just feel like when I watched Pittsburgh, I'm like,
Speaker 1: this just feels broken.
Speaker 3: It's not they they don't know quarterbacks. They don't know quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: Well, New England is not only broken. They have a
Speaker 1: talent scarcity. Pittsburgh's got players. I'll argue that all day long.
Speaker 1: They've got player.
Speaker 3: I mean, they had one of the best players in
Speaker 3: the league, MIKEA. Fitzpatrick's a stud. They got a quarterback
Speaker 3: problem and they don't know how to identify it. Mason
Speaker 3: Rudolph can he Pickett? I mean they were playing games
Speaker 3: with Duck Hodges three or four years ago. I mean
Speaker 3: he's dating a country star selling real estate. Now, these
Speaker 3: two guys, this has got debacle written all over it.
Speaker 3: And listen to me, Tomlin, sometimes you just need a
Speaker 3: fresh start. He's also being let down by like, you know,
Speaker 3: the front office is drafting these players too, and they
Speaker 3: just had a front office turnover. Kevin Colbert, who is
Speaker 3: a scout. Scout I would say is pretty good at
Speaker 3: his job, and they kind of pivoted to kind of
Speaker 3: this modern day the cap guy. You know, I don't know,
Speaker 3: I'm just this is not going to work now. One
Speaker 3: thing they got going for him, Burrow's health is a
Speaker 3: major concern. He struggles to practice four straight days. I
Speaker 3: mean he has to take the fourth day. The Cleveland Browns,
Speaker 3: while their roster is excellent and Kevin Stefanski is a
Speaker 3: good offensive coach, their quarterback situation could be a debacle
Speaker 3: as well. Right, Deshaun Watson has not been good and
Speaker 3: the Ravens just are they going to be as good
Speaker 3: as they last year? You lose Mike McDonald, do you
Speaker 3: lose them players in free agency? But they're still good,
Speaker 3: But you just factor in the other two teams. They
Speaker 3: have pretty big question marks at quarterback, one being health
Speaker 3: and one being Deshaun Watson might be the most overpaid
Speaker 3: player in the history league.
Speaker 1: So you know, Jim Nagy runs the Senior Bowl and
Speaker 1: I follow him and he had said multiple times that
Speaker 1: this is going to be a really great draft. This
Speaker 1: just draft that was just completed in April, especially in
Speaker 1: the first five rounds, gets a little wonky mid six.
Speaker 1: That could be a cultural issue. Fewer moms want their
Speaker 1: sons playing football.
Speaker 3: We could dieel guys go back.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, So it's I mean, listen, we used to have
Speaker 1: seven rounds in the NBA draft. I mean when I
Speaker 1: was growing up, that's what you had. Now you got
Speaker 1: two and you're sort of out of players by the
Speaker 1: thirteenth pick. There could be a time we have only six.
Speaker 1: You know, we just have six rounds in the NFL draft.
Speaker 1: Within ten years, I do think there are fewer kids
Speaker 1: playing it. If you look at the numbers across the country.
Speaker 1: There are exceptions. There's your Texas's and your Alabama's, but
Speaker 1: you know a lot of these states, sometimes the more
Speaker 1: liberal areas, their moms aren't letting their kids play. Just
Speaker 1: the reality of it. So one of my takeaways. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm watching Caleb and Romadnze for Chicago. Now they drafted
Speaker 1: a punter. They feel kind of like they got a
Speaker 1: lot of their problems solved in free agency and last
Speaker 1: year's draft, so they're just adding some pieces. They needed
Speaker 1: another receiver, a little bit of an edge rusher, and
Speaker 1: a quarterback. But I got to tell you, and it
Speaker 1: is there are This was a good draft.
Speaker 2: This weekend.
Speaker 1: I'm watching guys Kansas City players, and I'm like, these
Speaker 1: guys are good. These guys aren't even mediocre starters. They're
Speaker 1: like some guys that are walking into this league and
Speaker 1: going to be productive. When you were scouting for the Eagles,
Speaker 1: and it was a different time. In fact, two drafts
Speaker 1: ago was considered a very weak draft. I was told
Speaker 1: that by Tom to le Us go with a Chargers.
Speaker 1: He's like, this is not a great draft. You better
Speaker 1: get your guys in your first three and a half rounds.
Speaker 1: Middle of the fourth it gets a little thin. I
Speaker 1: think we're gonna, I really do. In the NBA, we
Speaker 1: know this, John. You go from great draft to terrible draft.
Speaker 1: This year was a week draft. Previous draft was a
Speaker 1: good draft. Do you think there'll be a time, because
Speaker 1: of fewer high school football players that we will start.
Speaker 2: Having good draft? Bad draft? Good draft?
Speaker 1: This one felt exceptional, two years ago felt weak.
Speaker 3: I think the sport has just transitioned so much more
Speaker 3: to perimeter oriented game that I think the receivers are
Speaker 3: going to keep flowing in space, and I think it's
Speaker 3: such a sexy position and gets paid so much. Some
Speaker 3: of the guys that previously might have played defensive back
Speaker 3: corner all want to play wide receiver. I mean, hell,
Speaker 3: we see it with Travis Hunter. He his top five corner,
Speaker 3: but he loves playing wide receiver because it's a little
Speaker 3: more fun. God only puts so many guys that can
Speaker 3: play offensive and defensive line on this planet. Yeah, there
Speaker 3: are only so many body types like that. So it
Speaker 3: feels like that's been pretty consistent with the body types.
Speaker 3: I mean, every yearence has been the way you play
Speaker 3: and the way that you develop. I mean, when you
Speaker 3: were grown up, every team was running the wing tee
Speaker 3: hally when I was a kid, it was kind of transitioning.
Speaker 3: But the best team in the country Nebraska in the
Speaker 3: mid nineties, they ran a verer option offense and then
Speaker 3: it as Mike Leach was like, what's this guy doing? Now?
Speaker 3: The majority of the league play, or in college play
Speaker 3: a version of that, And I think these NFL coaches
Speaker 3: have been saying forever we can only get what they're
Speaker 3: giving us. Right, this is not a minor league system
Speaker 3: in the sense we have nothing to do with it.
Speaker 3: So as the offense has changed, it really works its
Speaker 3: way up. So it's harder to find one thing you
Speaker 3: have seen, though is there have been a lot of
Speaker 3: really good defensive tackle pass rushers, where when I was
Speaker 3: in the league in twenty ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen, it
Speaker 3: was hard to find those guys, and there's a lot more,
Speaker 3: but it's harder to find now good guards and centers
Speaker 3: coming out of college. So I don't think big picture
Speaker 3: at least for the foreseeable future. But I've said forever,
Speaker 3: like football is not going to stay on top four.
Speaker 3: It has a wide margin in terms of its lead
Speaker 3: right now, and it feels pretty unflappable I would say
Speaker 3: at least a decade moving forward. But baseball was huge
Speaker 3: when I was a kid MJ with the the NBA
Speaker 3: in the nineties, like things EBB and flow, and to me,
Speaker 3: you never know. Obviously the concussion lawsuit they kind of
Speaker 3: phased off. I do think what you said, this draft
Speaker 3: was pretty good. Yeah, I mean speaking at guards, like
Speaker 3: the forty nine ers found a guy from Kansas who's
Speaker 3: gonna be their starting right guard Cuty. So you look
Speaker 3: at the rams they find these, you know, it's like
Speaker 3: there are guys you just have to to me, it's
Speaker 3: the A lot of guys in a draft have the
Speaker 3: physical characteristics, size, speed, whatever, it's about your mentality, and
Speaker 3: I truly believe that's what separates guys. There are certain
Speaker 3: like quarterback, I think like Trey Lance or justin fields,
Speaker 3: I do think they're trying. That's a position where it's
Speaker 3: so fucking hard that if if you don't have like
Speaker 3: the specific it can just weed you out. It doesn't
Speaker 3: not lack effort. All the other positions if you have
Speaker 3: the physical characteristics, like you're gonna be a pretty good
Speaker 3: guard defensive tack if you try hard, work hard, take
Speaker 3: care of your body. Right, Quarterback's kind of the one
Speaker 3: individual a little more skill based specific skill or the
Speaker 3: others you can make up for with effort and studying
Speaker 3: and just playing hard, especially the line of scrimmage. So
Speaker 3: I think when you find the right guys at those positions,
Speaker 3: which doesn't really feel like it's slowing down, it's just
Speaker 3: you have to the pressure on the staff, I would
Speaker 3: say to coach them up pretty immediately. Caleb, you know,
Speaker 3: listen everyone, and I'm not gonna poo poo this because
Speaker 3: he is a really fun player player to watch. His
Speaker 3: comp has been mahomes and watching him yesterday morning, and like, no,
Speaker 3: his comp's actually prime Seattle Russell Wilson right now, the
Speaker 3: scramble ability, that's where he's making his sweetest places. And
Speaker 3: there are gonna be a lot of negative nancies, like
Speaker 3: he can't play from within the pocket. Well right now,
Speaker 3: that's not his strength. But if I'm the mccaskey's or
Speaker 3: I'm the GM's, like, well, I'm paying the quarterback coach
Speaker 3: eight hundred and fifty k, I'm paying the OC two
Speaker 3: and a half million. We just need to work on that.
Speaker 3: But at twenty one years old, what he's bringing to
Speaker 3: the like is a lot. Yeah, but for him to
Speaker 3: be a true true star, he's gonna cause they're gonna
Speaker 3: be in big games this year. Yeah, and the difference
Speaker 3: of winning eight nine games and eleven games are a
Speaker 3: couple third nines. The fields has no chance to make
Speaker 3: this guy does. He just has to. You know, one
Speaker 3: thing the Seattle and Pete used to push back on
Speaker 3: is like let Russ cook. It's like nuts, he can't
Speaker 3: really Now I think this guy is better or that's unfair.
Speaker 3: Russell was really good, has a chance to be better.
Speaker 3: But for him to be a super superstar, like clearly
Speaker 3: he can do this outrageous stuff. We knew that, so
Speaker 3: I'm not shocked. I'm sure you're not. When he makes
Speaker 3: the plate to Rome, I understand the excitement. But for
Speaker 3: them to be like Super Bowl contender in the next
Speaker 3: three or four years, got to dominate from within the pocket.
Speaker 3: But he's twenty one years old. It's a second preseason game,
Speaker 3: like what Lebron wasn't perfect, you know, two months into
Speaker 3: his career, like welcome to sports.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: One of the things I like about football is that
Speaker 1: we don't romanticize it. That the game changes, the rules change,
Speaker 1: the kickoff changes, and that's I absolutely love.
Speaker 2: That about football.
Speaker 1: Is that, you know, if you listen to sports talk
Speaker 1: radio in America, if there's baseball talk, somebody brings up Mantle,
Speaker 1: you know, somebody brings up you Know, you know somebody
Speaker 1: that pitched Cofax. It's just a sport that's rich in
Speaker 1: history and lore. We all collected baseball cards and football
Speaker 1: is not like that. Is that in football you move
Speaker 1: off stuff really quickly. And I think in quarterback we've
Speaker 1: always had these rules three years full then we go
Speaker 1: what about Eli Manning and what about Peyton man You know,
Speaker 1: Peyton in year four had a ton of interceptions, but
Speaker 1: there is something about the current seven on seven. The
Speaker 1: high school college coaching is better offensively that guys come
Speaker 1: into this league quarterbacks. I'm going to give them. I've
Speaker 1: said this, I'll give you Thanksgiving a year two. But
Speaker 1: I kind of know seriously by week two C J. Stroud,
Speaker 1: Kyler Murrie, A. Matt Ryan, Like, I'm watching and going, well,
Speaker 1: that works.
Speaker 2: Team's not good. That works.
Speaker 1: Like everybody in that New York Giants building knows Daniel
Speaker 1: Jones can't play. Like I'm watching the other night. Those
Speaker 1: turnovers are the exact same turnovers four years ago. And
Speaker 1: this is what I think fans don't understand. Davile didn't
Speaker 1: want it. The GM tried to move up. They are
Speaker 1: completely completely trapped by their owner, John Morris. Want to
Speaker 1: make Daniel Jones work, but I'm watching him with two picks,
Speaker 1: bad throws from his end zone and I'm thinking, I
Speaker 1: don't need to see anything else. I want the kid
Speaker 1: to see seed. But it's it's like Sam Darnold. I
Speaker 1: love Sam, but he will throw an atrocious pick in
Speaker 1: every game he's ever played, and I mean the optics
Speaker 1: of it are one of those jaw droppingly the f
Speaker 1: was that Sam yeah, you know, I've talked about this.
Speaker 1: Brady through two hundred plus interceptions, very few are memorably
Speaker 1: awful in his entire career. Sam gives you one every
Speaker 1: Sunday minimum. The Giant situation, are they in the running?
Speaker 1: Do you think for the number one pick? Because Beck's
Speaker 1: getting picked the Georgia quarterbacks getting picked number one?
Speaker 3: I would think there would be a worse team than them,
Speaker 3: because I do think their defense could be pretty solid,
Speaker 3: and we've seen day Ball just field competitive teams. I
Speaker 3: mean even last year with Devido, they had some moments
Speaker 3: like are they likely to finish finish fifth than one?
Speaker 3: To be one? Overall? I think the Patriots have that
Speaker 3: written all over them. Yes, I mean written all.
Speaker 2: I think the Raiders are up there.
Speaker 3: I mean anytime you named Gardner Minshew your starting quarterback.
Speaker 3: I have some concerns. I think the Giants got a
Speaker 3: couple one. Is it crazy? And I understand it was
Speaker 3: only year one for these guys, but if they truly
Speaker 3: didn't want Daniel Jones or just pay in the contract
Speaker 3: for Joe Shane and Brian day Ball to be like
Speaker 3: you either fire us or you let us do this,
Speaker 3: or is that just like I understand these jobs are
Speaker 3: hard to get, but they had just made the playoffs.
Speaker 3: If they if he does fire him, that he can't.
Speaker 3: So they had to be on board a little bit,
Speaker 3: you know. And even if you watch that Hard Knocks,
Speaker 3: he keeps going, I want to see what we got.
Speaker 3: I want to see what we got. We know what
Speaker 3: you have. You have an Alex Smith who wants to
Speaker 3: play like he's Patrick Mahomes. Yeah, you know. And that's
Speaker 3: the thing with Darnold the pick he throws down the sideline,
Speaker 3: you know, Daniel Jones does. Stingley's gonna become the best
Speaker 3: corner in the league. I know everyone loves Sauce Gardner
Speaker 3: because of his name, and he's a good player. Stingley's
Speaker 3: more talented, and it's to me would be the guy
Speaker 3: that every GM in the league picks. If you got
Speaker 3: to choose between the two of them, that's no shot
Speaker 3: at saws. That's the Stingley Guy's got a chance to
Speaker 3: be very very special. You have to miss that deep.
Speaker 3: But he doesn't have a huge arm. And this is
Speaker 3: where the team building thing. Who do they draft? Will
Speaker 3: they draft like this explosive Jamar Chase, Justin Jefferson player
Speaker 3: who doesn't even fit with them with the number seven
Speaker 3: overall pick. So you're just the team building's out of whack,
Speaker 3: the quarterback sisitions out of whack. And this is what
Speaker 3: the Giants have been since they fired Tom Coughlin and
Speaker 3: he stormed off that podium. You know when John Marr,
Speaker 3: remember how awkward it was when he gave his goodbye
Speaker 3: and it was and listen, it was the right thing
Speaker 3: to do. But they have been a disaster since they've
Speaker 3: run through the Joe Judges, the Pat Shermers, David Gettleman
Speaker 3: like it's they're not gonna be any good this year.
Speaker 3: And I thought, you know, maybe they'll be better in Washington.
Speaker 3: You watch Daniel Jones. I mean, they can lose to
Speaker 3: anyone at any moment, by any margin because he just
Speaker 3: can't implode and Saquan ain't there to save the day anymore.
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Speaker 2: You know, I was thinking about this.
Speaker 1: I had a discussion with a buddy last night and
Speaker 1: I said, just forget all the opinions on Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1: He's taken four snaps in like five hundred days. But
Speaker 1: I and I started naming quarterbacks to my friend and
Speaker 1: I said, and I want you to consider everything work, ethic, focus, health, mobility,
Speaker 1: everything is Aaron Rodgers. Because I'm gonna give you a
Speaker 1: take care. Is Aaron Rodgers as good as mahomes Alan
Speaker 1: and Lamar He's not. No, I don't think he'll be
Speaker 1: as good this year as Burrow or Herbert with Harbaugh.
Speaker 1: I don't think he moves as well or as his
Speaker 1: healthy as C. J. Stroud Stafford. And I'll make this
Speaker 1: argument all day. If Aaron has a clunker this year
Speaker 1: and Stafford gets to a super Bowl, You're going to
Speaker 1: start looking at those two careers differently. Stafford was a
Speaker 1: hell of a lot better in high school, college, and
Speaker 1: the first four years in the pros, and he's going
Speaker 1: to be better late. If he crushes the next two years,
Speaker 1: you start going down quarterback and.
Speaker 2: Say who's better.
Speaker 1: Aaron doesn't, isn't quite as committed. He has a below
Speaker 1: average offensive coordinator in Matt Hackett. That's been established the
Speaker 1: offensive lines in flux fingers crossed, but it's not elite.
Speaker 1: He has a defensive coach Aaron has become over the
Speaker 1: course of the last half dozen years. He'll lead the
Speaker 1: NFL in like throwaways, Like if he does like the
Speaker 1: play call, Aaron's not taking the arrows, He'll throw it
Speaker 1: out of bounce. He did that, as you know with
Speaker 1: McCarthy the last two years. You know with lafleur he
Speaker 1: may live out of the play. He wasn't disgusted with it.
Speaker 1: He was with the McCarthy. He will be with Matt Hackett.
Speaker 1: And so I was just saying to somebody, I said,
Speaker 1: in the NFC, I viewed him differently. I said, I
Speaker 1: look in the AFC right now, I don't think he's
Speaker 1: a top I don't think he's a top six quarterback
Speaker 1: in the AFC.
Speaker 2: And my take.
Speaker 1: Is, is it possible that the weakness of the Jets.
Speaker 1: If Garrett Wilson and Breese Hall stay upright, they're both
Speaker 1: the elite. They're both really special. We may look in
Speaker 1: week twelve and think Aaron's not as good as Jordan
Speaker 1: Love or now Trevor Lawrence or josh or Lamar or
Speaker 1: Burrow or and we say he's like the eleventh best
Speaker 1: quarterback in the league, and the defense is great. Wilson
Speaker 1: and Breesehall are crushing. Smith gives you twelve starts, the
Speaker 1: rookie from Penn States better than we think, and we
Speaker 1: look up hot take and go, shit, Aaron's closer to
Speaker 1: Dak than Mahomes.
Speaker 3: Well, he's forty years old. One thing I've noticed on
Speaker 3: the NFL network, and it's hard because he doesn't play
Speaker 3: any of these preseason games. I think he's moving slow,
Speaker 3: you know, so why every clip I see it's like
Speaker 3: he looks like the forty five year old guy if
Speaker 3: you just went to the gym you see kind of
Speaker 3: jogging around shooting hoops. That's what he looks like. And
Speaker 3: that's a little concerning because that's never how he's played. Now.
Speaker 3: If he just morphs his game into playing like Peyton
Speaker 3: he had or Brady he has the arm to function
Speaker 3: like that. Then it gets to the question mark, well,
Speaker 3: he's never had to play like that. If his offensive
Speaker 3: line they get a couple injuries, all of a sudden,
Speaker 3: he's kind of moving for his life. But he can't
Speaker 3: run around. What's the problem with Russell Wilson that not
Speaker 3: quite as fast? Still thinks he can scramble? Well can't.
Speaker 3: It's much easier for Caleb. Why he's way younger and
Speaker 3: he's still fast. So you watch these guys kind of
Speaker 3: scramble around. Some guys can't, some guys can. I just
Speaker 3: think he's such a polarizing individual. It's gonna get weird fast.
Speaker 3: You got Monday night against the Niners. What if you
Speaker 3: go in there, you get your teeth kicked in all
Speaker 3: of a sudden, it's like, oh, here we go again.
Speaker 3: I don't like I mean, listen, Robert Saala is a
Speaker 3: nice guy. He's been completely over his head. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 3: of just being able to handle a star told me something.
Speaker 3: Aaron's like, what the hell is what's he talking about?
Speaker 3: That's just that's stuff that like Mike McCarthy doesn't you
Speaker 3: you know, just knows how to handle Yeah. I mean,
Speaker 3: I just think that if his mobility is gone and
Speaker 3: not gone where he can't move at all, like Tom
Speaker 3: Brady at forty five. But he used to be you know,
Speaker 3: seven and a half eight out of ten and now
Speaker 3: it's more like five ish, and he's less hesitant to
Speaker 3: do it once he realizes I'm not as quick. That
Speaker 3: changes the player dramatically. Yes, And you're looking at, like
Speaker 3: you said, the influx of new young quarterbacks. You know,
Speaker 3: let's use brock Purty as an example. One thing he
Speaker 3: can do is scramble around. He moves well, and that
Speaker 3: is the modern day football. You have to be able
Speaker 3: to move. Because we talked about the the talent coming
Speaker 3: in the league. Well, there hasn't been a lot of
Speaker 3: Trent Williams come in the league and Larry Allen's over
Speaker 3: the last five ten years, but there has been a
Speaker 3: lot of defensive lines. So you're at a disadvantage most
Speaker 3: games where they got more good defensive linemen than you
Speaker 3: do offensive lineman. That's why these quarterbacks being able to
Speaker 3: scramble around can save you. Well, if that's gone for him,
Speaker 3: with the lack of offensive ingenuity that's in that building.
Speaker 3: From a coaching standpoint, what is it argue they could
Speaker 3: be screwed relative to the expectation that he's back and
Speaker 3: going to save the day.
Speaker 1: Also, I remember as a kid, I got into a
Speaker 1: motorcycle accident, ripped up. I still have a scar from it. Huh,
Speaker 1: Honda one fifty or something. You know, it was pretty ugly,
Speaker 1: and I can remember it took me two years before
Speaker 1: somebody finally said, dude, you got to get on that.
Speaker 1: A neighborhood dad said, you gotta get on that bike. Kid,
Speaker 1: You just got to get You gotta crash again. And
Speaker 1: that always sticks in my head that if if you
Speaker 1: get hurt doing something, just you got to get back
Speaker 1: in there. Brady acknowledges the first year back from his injury,
Speaker 1: he didn't want to get he didn't want anybody near
Speaker 1: his knees. He got prickly. He would bark at officials.
Speaker 1: Are we not acknowledging Aaron is going to be affected
Speaker 1: by that? Like Aaron probably deep down feels like he
Speaker 1: disappointed the city taking four snaps though it wasn't his fault.
Speaker 1: So you've got an aging player, a player that is
Speaker 1: going to be hyper sensitive to that, an offensive coordinator
Speaker 1: you can't trust. I just I think we look at
Speaker 1: the Jets and think Aaron will save us. In my
Speaker 1: take is no, Actually I trust their defense. I think
Speaker 1: Garrett Wilson is really good. Breese Hall, I think the
Speaker 1: on line will kind of figure it out. I'm just saying,
Speaker 1: I think we're going to look up at Thanksgiving and
Speaker 1: like Aaron sometimes is a weakness.
Speaker 3: I haven't had a chance to read the book or
Speaker 3: blisten to the audiobook yet. Obviously there's a lot coming
Speaker 3: out about that family moment at the Tahoe golf tournament
Speaker 3: where he saw his dad, And obviously there's two sides
Speaker 3: to every story. You know, who knows maybe if the
Speaker 3: parents are whack jobs and it's not as much on Aaron,
Speaker 3: which it kind of feels like that might be, is
Speaker 3: not as crazy as on Aaron side. But regardless, isn't
Speaker 3: it a pretty consistent theme over the last however many years,
Speaker 3: the quarterback and the family relationship. You look at Peyton
Speaker 3: and Tom, obviously their families are very very close. Caleb's
Speaker 3: tight with his you know, Russell and his family. You
Speaker 3: just go around the league, Patrick Mahomes and his family,
Speaker 3: Lamar's moms, his agent. Yeah, I mean, it's that's strained,
Speaker 3: like I saw some craziness when I was a kid
Speaker 3: with some you know, extended family. That's hard on any
Speaker 3: human I don't care who it is. It wears on you.
Speaker 3: Even if you're right or they're right, it doesn't even
Speaker 3: matter after a while. It's just that lack of you
Speaker 3: only have so many people in your life that when
Speaker 3: you grow up and that relationship with your brothers and
Speaker 3: sisters and your parents, you remove that. I can't even imagine.
Speaker 3: I can't relate to that because I the relationship i'd
Speaker 3: had with my dad's past now, but my dad, my mom,
Speaker 3: my brother, that seems like hard to overcome in certain
Speaker 3: moments of just to gain some levity in life, just
Speaker 3: a game like hey, I need to talk to somebody,
Speaker 3: not even about something serious. That's that's an underrated part.
Speaker 3: And I think a lot of people sarcastically mock and
Speaker 3: stuff I'm talking about as a human being, you know.
Speaker 3: And I wonder if that situation, I mean, he sees
Speaker 3: his dad at that tournament and goes up to him.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's what a fucking awkward thing they got
Speaker 3: going on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so.
Speaker 1: I want the Errand thing was a mild take because
Speaker 1: I do think most people realize these young quarterbacks are sensational,
Speaker 1: They move better than Aaron, better health, many have offensive coaches.
Speaker 1: If I had a take, and I know you know
Speaker 1: I've used this example before, John, and you, as a
Speaker 1: scout probably know this better than anybody I've talked about before.
Speaker 1: Seahawk Camp was in Cheenie, Washington, where I went to college,
Speaker 1: and I've talked about before. Seeing Eugene Robinson from Colgate
Speaker 1: his first practice with the Seahawks and literally knowing, I mean,
Speaker 1: I had people around me and I could name them.
Speaker 1: I went to college with him, saying, holy shit, he
Speaker 1: is lighting up Steve Largent, who is that colegate who?
Speaker 1: At that time, I don't even know if I'd ever
Speaker 1: seen an IVY League game on TV. You know this
Speaker 1: is back in like nineteen eighty two. It doesn't take
Speaker 1: long to see certain things. Right. Here's here's a take.
Speaker 1: Bon Nicks has got a better arm than I think
Speaker 1: people think. I think he's more cut and athletic than
Speaker 1: people think. I noticed this when I saw him live
Speaker 1: on the field against Utah. That game everything went Oregon's way.
Speaker 1: And I know it's preseason, John, but I've watched bon
Speaker 1: Nicks and I'm like, oh shit, Caleb defensive coach, Drake Made,
Speaker 1: defensive coach Jaden, defensive coach JJ McCarthy, Hurt Pennix may
Speaker 1: not play hot take bow Knicks is the best quarterback
Speaker 1: this year out of the crop.
Speaker 3: I think Caleb will be better because of what he's
Speaker 3: dealing with. But I think bo Nicks is going to
Speaker 3: shut a lot of people up really fast. I mean,
Speaker 3: it's already inevitable. He's started for week one, He's got
Speaker 3: a coach. I would say, who a well established, very
Speaker 3: rich guy who's already won a Super Bowl, who kind
Speaker 3: of has this like back against the wall chip on
Speaker 3: his shoulder right now? Yeah, because that year last year
Speaker 3: was probably not fun and is anything good? I would
Speaker 3: say nothing has a chance to age better faster than
Speaker 3: boot and Russell out for eighty million dollars in selecting
Speaker 3: this guy. And let's face it, leading up to the draft,
Speaker 3: before he inevitably picked him, everyone was going, Oh, Sean
Speaker 3: Payton wants the bow Knicks. That's tarot, that's awful. You
Speaker 3: can't drap this guy that high. This is crazy, this
Speaker 3: is stupid, and it's like, now, I mean, this guy
Speaker 3: has a pretty good idea. He was one of the
Speaker 3: rare guys that was all in on mahomes. He like
Speaker 3: Drew Brees once upon a time when not everyone was
Speaker 3: lining at the door, you know. So I would say
Speaker 3: that you have an offensive coach is just a huge
Speaker 3: advantage and a guy that can develop quarterbacks and a
Speaker 3: guy who can call the place. To me, my biggest
Speaker 3: thing is not offensive and defensive coaches. It's do you
Speaker 3: call the place? Do you dictate fifty percent of the game.
Speaker 3: And obviously, as an offensive coach, not only are you
Speaker 3: calling the place, you're controlling the quarterback then essentially and
Speaker 3: the pace of the game. You know, defense is much
Speaker 3: more physicality, there's stuff out of your control. Even great
Speaker 3: defense gets speed sometime. But as an offensive play caller,
Speaker 3: you can completely control the game. And beside that couple
Speaker 3: of year stretch which was bad when they I think
Speaker 3: Rob Ryan was their defensive coordinator in New Orleans and
Speaker 3: they were going seven to nine even though their offense
Speaker 3: was setting records. When they've had good defenses, they dominated.
Speaker 3: You know, they were consistent ten to twelve win team
Speaker 3: in the NFL. That's what Sean Payton's record. It is
Speaker 3: when the defense is solid. So their defense a solid,
Speaker 3: which it was the second half of last year. And
Speaker 3: clearly I think removing Russell Wilson and this is why
Speaker 3: I'm out on the Steelers. That thing that you take
Speaker 3: in is more than just that miss third down throw.
Speaker 3: It's all this other stuff, which, in fairness, I don't
Speaker 3: know how much Russell brings it. It's just there now,
Speaker 3: it's just part of the deal. And you remove that,
Speaker 3: you get this young hungry guy, you get this chip
Speaker 3: on the shoulder coach the Raiders naming Gardner Minshew that
Speaker 3: they're not going to be any good. The Chargers just
Speaker 3: gonna have some injury problems and their depth is going
Speaker 3: to be very questionable. Is it crazy to think Denver
Speaker 3: could finish second in this division? No, he clearly likes
Speaker 3: this team. They like their rookie class. They got some
Speaker 3: good wide receivers. Watching them play, I mean, I don't
Speaker 3: think it's inconceivable they go nine to eight.
Speaker 1: Boon Nicks played with Troy Franklin. Troy average one hundred
Speaker 1: and five yards per game, fourteen touchdowns. Shit, they played
Speaker 1: together in college. Like, think about this, He's twenty four,
Speaker 1: Drake May's twenty one offensive coach I think between Mims, Cortland,
Speaker 1: Sutton and Troy Franklin, they have a good tight end,
Speaker 1: two capable backs. I'm like, that's that's at least averaged
Speaker 1: the slightly above average. I mean, look at Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 1: They're completely dependent on Ceedee lambstaying healthy or they're screwed.
Speaker 1: So to me, I look at Denver and I'm like,
Speaker 1: every single year it was Houston. Last year, there's a
Speaker 1: pop team and I'm watching bow Nicks and I've had
Speaker 1: a couple of texts with Sean Payton. It's not lost
Speaker 1: on me that a former NFL quarterback that I was
Speaker 1: talking to in the building at Fox several months ago
Speaker 1: said just remember Drake, Caleb and Jaden have defensive coaches.
Speaker 1: He goes, I don't care how talented they are. And
Speaker 1: this guy came into the league years ago and had
Speaker 1: a defensive coach. He said, it matters like you're nervous,
Speaker 1: you don't you you know he said a defensive coach.
Speaker 1: I mean, Mark Sanchez told me years and years ago,
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, the reality is an offense of coach.
Speaker 1: You talk at night, you text, you know, your texting.
Speaker 1: Defensive coaches think differently. Their buddies are defensive coaches. Their
Speaker 1: favorite players are Belichick's favorite player is Lawrence Taylor. It's
Speaker 1: not Tom Brady. So I think I just think Denver
Speaker 1: is better. PFF has their personnel near the bottom of
Speaker 1: the league, and I'm like, ah, I don't.
Speaker 3: Know wide Peyton Manning love Adam Gase because he could
Speaker 3: text him at one o'clock in the morning and he
Speaker 3: texts him right back, maybe talking football. These offensive guys
Speaker 3: I saw with Andy Reid sleeps like three hours a night.
Speaker 3: He's just in the whiteboard. Just these guys. It's like
Speaker 3: a creative The mentality is it's night and day. Different.
Speaker 3: Now some of the defensive guys are just such natural leaders.
Speaker 3: The aggressiveness kind of it's a different personality. But yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean, I think the offensive play caller is the
Speaker 3: number one guy you'd ever want running, especially in this
Speaker 3: modern day football. But who are the options for pop teams? Right?
Speaker 3: It have to be a team an on an AFC
Speaker 3: West team, right, not the Chiefs, So it'd be the Raiders,
Speaker 3: the Chargers of the Broncos. I think most people are
Speaker 3: out on the Raiders when you watch their quarterback situation.
Speaker 3: Listen I'm a Jim Harbad die hard, but they just
Speaker 3: got a ton of injuries. They got a guys that
Speaker 3: have always injured. That makes me nervous. Their quarterback just
Speaker 3: got out of a boot. The Jets, who we talked about,
Speaker 3: I would say, are pretty uh, are walking a very
Speaker 3: very tight line. They could shatter in front of our
Speaker 3: eyes immediately. The Steelers I got coming back to Earth.
Speaker 3: They were already a playoff team. The same with the
Speaker 3: same with the Cleveland Browns because their quarterback situation just
Speaker 3: scares the crap out of me. I think it's wide
Speaker 3: open for a team like the Broncos to kind of
Speaker 3: sneak up on.
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Speaker 1: So as we go into the season, you know, I
Speaker 1: thought about this if the Chiefs three p. Belichick didn't
Speaker 1: do it. And we talk a lot about the Chiefs.
Speaker 1: We talk about Mahomes and Brady, right, Brady's going to
Speaker 1: be more productive, but Mahomes is more talented and increasing
Speaker 1: in production. But I want to talk about Andy Reid
Speaker 1: and Belichick. Andy Reid wins a third straight Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: Belichick never did it. Andy Reid two teams to a
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. Belichick didn't do it. Andy Reid had to
Speaker 1: face for the first fifteen to twenty years of his
Speaker 1: coaching career, a league that allowed Belichick's favorite rules to exist,
Speaker 1: Yet Andy still flourished five NFC championship. The minute the
Speaker 1: league pivoted to offense and Brady left, Belichick is it's Jurassic.
Speaker 1: He is completely tone deaf. And my take is we've
Speaker 1: always felt there's Belichick and Shula. Andy wins at third straight.
Speaker 1: Andy's Super Bowl Philadelphia, Kansas City. Andy's won with terrible quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: Andy's one with everybody. Andy's assistants are better. Andy's the
Speaker 1: one coach that gave Belichick real problems. Go look at
Speaker 1: their record. I think that Andy Reid Belichick gap gets
Speaker 1: really thin, really thin. And if we're going to be fair,
Speaker 1: the league pivoted offense seven years ago, about seven eight,
Speaker 1: You're like, I mean everything now, it's go look at
Speaker 1: Belichick's last seven drafts, last four seasons. I again, I'm
Speaker 1: not confusing it. I think Belichick is a better coach
Speaker 1: than Shula, and Shula has more wins. It's not all
Speaker 1: just on record. Andy Reid is good with everybody at quarterback.
Speaker 1: I think the gap closes. I think it gets really
Speaker 1: close if he knocks down three straight super Bowl why.
Speaker 3: I'd say it's been closing dramatically fast over the last
Speaker 3: two years, as he's knocked these last two off. Right,
Speaker 3: I'm torn on this because I'm an Andy Reid guy,
Speaker 3: but I am a Belichick defender of Like, we know
Speaker 3: what we watched. We watched him out coach everyone for
Speaker 3: eighteen years and then clues Andy beat him in a
Speaker 3: Super Bowl. Now he had Brady, he had McNab. That's
Speaker 3: the gap there's pretty wide. And he did beat him
Speaker 3: Mahomes first year on the road in that AFC championship
Speaker 3: game that went overtime. That was one of the better
Speaker 3: games the Patriots ever played in. But you could argue
Speaker 3: if to me, if Andy wins won more, the ability
Speaker 3: to coach every type quarterback, absolutely, and like you said,
Speaker 3: and win pretty big. I mean, he was consistently going
Speaker 3: to the playoffs with Alex Smith, no problem, right, winning
Speaker 3: with Donovan McNabb, who had some serious flaws. Belichick could
Speaker 3: not only coach or have success with one guy. That
Speaker 3: guy was wired like a defensive guy. You could just
Speaker 3: dog cuss them, you could scream at him. That's not
Speaker 3: really the way most quarterbacks handle. And you put anyone
Speaker 3: else in that place it gets a little weird really fast,
Speaker 3: where I think Andy's personality is much more tailored to quarterbacks,
Speaker 3: which have always been the name of the game. Right,
Speaker 3: So Bill just got pretty lucky. He just got this
Speaker 3: rare bird that was wired more like Mike Vrabel or
Speaker 3: Teddy Bruski could just take it. Most quarterbacks were not
Speaker 3: taking that type of abuse. So why every article that
Speaker 3: was ever written about any backup quarterback that sat next
Speaker 3: to Tom said, this is the craziest thing I've ever seen.
Speaker 3: The way that he takes this. It's like it terrified
Speaker 3: everyone else because if mahomes ainc again, it doesn't mean
Speaker 3: you can't coach a guy hard or push a guy.
Speaker 3: But they treated everyone as equals when they're not equals.
Speaker 3: Joe Montana, John Elway, Peyton Manning, they weren't equals in
Speaker 3: the room and the room knows it. But Belichick's thing,
Speaker 3: to me could have only worked with Tom. It's why
Speaker 3: they were the perfect marriage, one of the great sports
Speaker 3: marriages of all time. Yeah, Andy can date anybody. If
Speaker 3: you gave Andy any of the top let's just say,
Speaker 3: fifteen quarterbacks in the NFL. I'm not saying the Chiefs
Speaker 3: win the super Bowl. You gave him like Josh Allen,
Speaker 3: they'd win the Super Bowl. Joe Burrow Lamar would be fun.
Speaker 3: I think he could just take like Dak, you random
Speaker 3: guys and they would have eleven to twelve wins. Now,
Speaker 3: they may lose in a playoff game because that guy's
Speaker 3: not good enough, but he would be a lock for
Speaker 3: the playoffs. And I don't think you could say that
Speaker 3: about Bill as the years went on rotating just take
Speaker 3: give me, give him Dak Prescott, He's a lock to win.
Speaker 3: I don't feel that way. So that's Andy's trump card
Speaker 3: in this modern day football. It ain't even close right,
Speaker 3: his ability to do offense and quarterback Bill couldn't. That's
Speaker 3: why I think a lot of people were off Bill. Now,
Speaker 3: it'll be very fascinating to watch how this offseason or
Speaker 3: this season goes with Bill playing this new role. I
Speaker 3: would say Bill is very dependent on one individual over
Speaker 3: the last fifteen years, and that was Josh McDaniels. When
Speaker 3: he had Josh and Josh available, you're getting a package deal.
Speaker 3: And once you hire Bill and Josh, well, no one's
Speaker 3: ever hiring Josh to be a head coach ever. Again,
Speaker 3: right in the NFL maybe in college, but so maybe
Speaker 3: Bill has that going for him. But yeah, I mean this,
Speaker 3: I don't even think it's remotely close. And I think
Speaker 3: Mahome is a good example of like, the guy that
Speaker 3: we see now is so much different than the guy
Speaker 3: we saw early on the way they've coached him, the
Speaker 3: way he's changed. And just if you can't coach the quarterbacks,
Speaker 3: I mean he put now Andy put Wan Castillo's defensive
Speaker 3: coordinator when I was there. Everyone makes mistakes, yeah, but
Speaker 3: to put Matt Patricia as your offensive coordinator really the
Speaker 3: second year coach is one of the most insane things
Speaker 3: ever and first great as Belichick's resume is, that's like
Speaker 3: an all time stain. Yea. To me, that's a bigger
Speaker 3: stay than like the Flate gate or any of that
Speaker 3: other crap.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: I mean, there are these there are these moments. I mean,
Speaker 1: every great actor Brando had six bombs.
Speaker 3: Danira, they all do right, But there.
Speaker 1: Are moves over the last three to four years with
Speaker 1: Belichick that I can't unsee, and the Matt Patricia thing
Speaker 1: and the five six straight. I mean, there are drafts
Speaker 1: where they don't have a single good player. It stains
Speaker 1: how I look at Bill and how the beginning, and
Speaker 1: any great movie starts great and finishes strong. Bill's ending
Speaker 1: is a catastrophe.
Speaker 3: Think about this too. I do think it's a little
Speaker 3: weird that this Bill was like this ultimate dictator. You
Speaker 3: don't get it wrong, Like you're in the building with Andy,
Speaker 3: like he's the boss, but he interacts clearly a little
Speaker 3: different because look at his resume of like Doug Peterson
Speaker 3: was the right hand guy won a Super Bowl. Matt
Speaker 3: Naggie they claim was a disaster, took the Bears in
Speaker 3: the playoffs. Ron Rivera took the Paranthers to the Super Bowl.
Speaker 3: Andy guy John Harbaugh turned out to be pretty good.
Speaker 3: Like why do Andy's guys just function pretty well? And
Speaker 3: Bill's guys football coaching is a hard and every guy's
Speaker 3: gonna lose, have a bad season, maybe get You're gonna
Speaker 3: get fired eventually, his guys get run out of the
Speaker 3: building in record speed. Yeah, I mean Joe Judge immediately
Speaker 3: like the same organ. Josh McDaniels couldn't even make it
Speaker 3: through the second year after like ten years to a
Speaker 3: step back, Patricia, whatever the hell happened in Detroit? I mean,
Speaker 3: at all times, couldn't get along with Stafford, Oh my god. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So and these are his core guys. Like when you
Speaker 3: think Bill of the last fifteen years, Pat Brian Flores
Speaker 3: couldn't get along with a soul on offense, hate his
Speaker 3: interactions with the quarterback because that's what they saw. Think
Speaker 3: about that, that's what those guys saw. So defensive guys
Speaker 3: scream at the quarterback. You're like, this ain't gonna work.
Speaker 3: That ain't Tom Brady.
Speaker 2: Success or failure.
Speaker 1: All of Andy Reid's guys are guys you'd love to
Speaker 1: have a beer with. They're good dudes, well liked. Go
Speaker 1: to Bill's Charlie Wise, Joe Judge, he just ran on
Speaker 1: He just ran on Twitter about getting fired from Serious saying,
Speaker 1: I was like, Charlie, what's going on here? Almost all
Speaker 1: of Bill's guys, Eric Mangini's an exception, Almost all of
Speaker 1: them there are a lot of work. Like if they
Speaker 1: were in the building, you'd avoid them. They're harsh, they're intense,
Speaker 1: they're arrogant. Bill is attracted to that quality, that sort
Speaker 1: of pseudo confidence, arrogance. Andy's guys, Matt n Aggie used
Speaker 1: to call me, Hey, thanks for saying nice stuff. You know,
Speaker 1: my kids listened this morning going to work, like Doug
Speaker 1: Peterson's a great guy. They're all nice guys, and Andy
Speaker 1: is looking for people that Andy barks, So I think
Speaker 1: he looks for people psychologically that can comfort players when
Speaker 1: he barks. Bill barks and doubles down on the barking.
Speaker 1: And that's why that's why the minute Brady leaves, free
Speaker 1: agents don't want to go there. Brandon Ayuk's like not
Speaker 1: remotely interested in that culture Bill created.
Speaker 3: Yeah, to me, it was his culture was all dependent
Speaker 3: on Tom. Once Tom established himself and go back to Walsh,
Speaker 3: like they could have pivoted way earlier to young and
Speaker 3: been fine, Like it wasn't dependent on one individual. I
Speaker 3: just think that's an all time outlier situation what we
Speaker 3: saw because the way the quarterback could take it, none
Speaker 3: of these other quarterbacks take it. It's why every single guy,
Speaker 3: to a man, the backup quarterbacks that all rotate around
Speaker 3: the league were like, this is the craziest thing I've
Speaker 3: ever seen. And it's not like obviously there were a
Speaker 3: small percentage of teams that just are really buttoned up,
Speaker 3: do it the right way. The Ravens, the Chiefs, the Patriots,
Speaker 3: like the gap of how they get ready isn't it.
Speaker 3: But the way that they treated the quarterback in front
Speaker 3: of the entire team didn't happen anywhere else because that's
Speaker 3: not normal and you're never gonna see that away. And
Speaker 3: I understand why the Patriot guys defend it, Like if
Speaker 3: I was Edelman, I would defend it too, because they
Speaker 3: won a lot, but it wasn't sustainable. Once you remove
Speaker 3: the keycog, it you crumbled down. And I'm telling you
Speaker 3: it's gonna get really ugly there. It's gonna get really
Speaker 3: ugly there. That team rolling out Jacoby. I mean, Drake's
Speaker 3: a major project. People are gonna be mad at Craft
Speaker 3: because everything he did to Bill, even obviously didn't end
Speaker 3: well with Bill on the field, but you respect a
Speaker 3: guy that brought you so much. It's I think it's
Speaker 3: gonna be really bad. And you talk to like I
Speaker 3: text around people in the league, they're like, buckle up, Phillis,
Speaker 3: it's gonna be ugly. And it's not like they're playing
Speaker 3: in a division. I mean, the Bill's got a lot
Speaker 3: of moving parts. Obviously they are the king of the division.
Speaker 3: The Dolphins aren't great. The Jets could implode if you
Speaker 3: told me they didn't win a divisional game, I'd believe you.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 1: So Chris Peterson's gone, Nick Saban's gone, Jim Harbaugh's gone,
Speaker 1: Dabo Sweeney is struggling with a transfer portal, and an
Speaker 1: il Ryan Day is struggling defining what Ohio State is.
Speaker 1: Take Kirby smart out. He's considered the best coach in
Speaker 1: college football. I think Kaylin de Boor's really close. And
Speaker 1: you'll the rest of the country will see that what
Speaker 1: Husky fans know. It's really interesting. And this is why
Speaker 1: you can't give up on people. I could make an
Speaker 1: argument the third best coach in college football is Lane Kiffen,
Speaker 1: and this sport bailed on him. Old miss has no
Speaker 1: business being as good as they are. I mean, let's
Speaker 1: be honest. The state produces, I mean, how many players.
Speaker 1: They can't get many, and Georgia gets the best in Georgia,
Speaker 1: Bama gets the best in Bama.
Speaker 2: Florida. It's rated by everybody. He is.
Speaker 1: That state's only got three and a half like million people.
Speaker 2: It's Oregon.
Speaker 1: It's got more players than Oregon. But generally speaking, most
Speaker 1: of these teams in the top ten come from highly
Speaker 1: populated states, fertile recruiting grounds. Is that people bail The
Speaker 1: Raiders bailed on him, you know, college football bailed on him.
Speaker 1: And you start looking around and I'm like, and by
Speaker 1: the way, Sark somewhere in the top ten. He may
Speaker 1: not have the trophy yet, but recruiting, culture, building, quarterback development,
Speaker 1: Sark knows what he's doing. He's won a lot of games.
Speaker 1: Washington was zero to twelve when he took it over.
Speaker 1: He had what they were seven wins second year, and
Speaker 1: he handed Chris Peterson some dudes, some NFL bodies. But
Speaker 1: I was thinking about that today. Take Kirby out and
Speaker 1: Kaitlin to Bore.
Speaker 2: We know it.
Speaker 1: You know, Urban's gone, Harbaugh's gone, Savan's gone, Chris Peterson's gone.
Speaker 1: All these guys. Dabbo is struggling with nil on the
Speaker 1: transfer portal. He's struggling with it.
Speaker 3: Well, he won't do it. He won't do it.
Speaker 2: He won't do.
Speaker 1: Jesus and Ryan Day hired Chip Kelly, which I think
Speaker 1: is brilliant because the hole in his game, which he acknowledges,
Speaker 1: is the run game. Ryan admits that, so he can't
Speaker 1: put him as a top five coach now because he's
Speaker 1: beating Perdue. It's you know, Lane Kiffin can coach his
Speaker 1: ass off, That's my take.
Speaker 3: You know, one of the best stats I remember here
Speaker 3: in last year was Ole Miss has never had back
Speaker 3: to back double digit seasons win seasons in the history
Speaker 3: of the program. Lane did it twenty two and twenty three,
Speaker 3: and last year when he beat LSU. You're watching him going.
Speaker 3: The talent gap on these two rosters can't be as
Speaker 3: close as what it looks like on the field. Obviously
Speaker 3: he scares people, but to me, he's got one of
Speaker 3: the blue blood's, whether it's Florida, if they make a
Speaker 3: change whoever. You know, there were rumors that I had
Speaker 3: heard Oregon when Dan Lanning got it, he was really interested.
Speaker 3: People just wouldn't touch him. You get to a point, though,
Speaker 3: I think, especially in college sports in the NFL, you
Speaker 3: win enough, who cares, like, what are we even talking about?
Speaker 3: And a lot of people think they're going to be
Speaker 3: a top ten team. He crushed the transfer portal. Oh yeah,
Speaker 3: good quarterback.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I do think there's a lot of pressure though. It's
Speaker 3: one of those where even if he wins eight or
Speaker 3: nine games and misses the playoffs, it's still a remarkable accomplishment.
Speaker 3: You win ten eleven and then nine you're at ol Miss,
Speaker 3: not Ohio State, right, Like, I'm with you on Kalen Newbor.
Speaker 3: He's a star. And don't be shocked when they're back
Speaker 3: in the final fourth Alabama right away, Right, but you
Speaker 3: should win at Alabama even if some guys leave, you're
Speaker 3: still inheriting. Every single guy in that roster is someone
Speaker 3: that Nick had recruited. Right, you should win Ohio State.
Speaker 3: You obviously should win at USC, even Sark. It is
Speaker 3: to me much more impressive that they have an unlimited
Speaker 3: checkbook to sign whoever they want, whenever they want.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 3: Sark had a good year last year, though kind of
Speaker 3: a little softened in the playoff game against Washington. It's
Speaker 3: way easier to win at Texas than it is at
Speaker 3: Old Miss. Like Lane went to what Fai or Fui
Speaker 3: or whatever that school was in Florida that no one
Speaker 3: could even get, right if I pulled random people that
Speaker 3: follow sports, and then to Old Miss, who usually runs
Speaker 3: through coaches every three or four years, and now he's
Speaker 3: kicking everyone's ass. He's beaten LSU. Yeah, I mean, I
Speaker 3: just think that it's it's easy to hire. I think
Speaker 3: part of what's worked against Lane. It's easy for USC
Speaker 3: to give one hundred million do to Lincoln like everyone's
Speaker 3: on board. It's easy when LSU gives ninety plus to
Speaker 3: Brian Kelly, like we see. I think it is controversial
Speaker 3: in some of these ads and whatever to hire Lane
Speaker 3: at this point in time. You're crazy if you do not.
Speaker 3: They're hiring these billion napiers and all these other guys.
Speaker 3: Lanes werenning circles around them all. So, I mean, what
Speaker 3: he's doing at ole Miss now here's the thing. He's
Speaker 3: getting paid nine ten million dollars there and they clearly
Speaker 3: had a pretty good But does he need to leave?
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I mean I think some of its lifestyle.
Speaker 1: He likes the South. He's told me that he likes
Speaker 1: the style. He loves fishing. He's an intense guy. He
Speaker 1: likes it's he gets some space. People are nice, you know.
Speaker 1: Lane's little cocky, unique personality. But I also think he's
Speaker 1: got a great heart and I think he's really I
Speaker 1: think he's really a good coach. I think sometimes when
Speaker 1: dad's a coach, or dad's a broadcaster, or dad's a
Speaker 1: bank president, the Sun gets placed into a position he's
Speaker 1: not quite ready for. And if it wasn't for Monnie Kiffin,
Speaker 1: Lane probably doesn't get the raider job.
Speaker 2: We don't know.
Speaker 1: He's just another young assistant McVeigh, you know, like grandpa
Speaker 1: or somebody was a general manager. That's different.
Speaker 2: It wasn't high profile.
Speaker 1: But I think one of the vagaries of having a famous,
Speaker 1: successful dad and if you go into the same industry
Speaker 1: is you tend to get inserted into places that eventually
Speaker 1: you are ahead of people and you will be successful.
Speaker 1: But Lane was like kid coach, like thirty two years old,
Speaker 1: and it's and I can't remember when he went to USC.
Speaker 1: He just wasn't he And I was rooting for him,
Speaker 1: but he was a little loose with his private personal life.
Speaker 1: He just didn't quite know how to be a head
Speaker 1: coach at USC. Wasn't the play calling. But I think
Speaker 1: there is an advantage when dad or grandpa or somebody
Speaker 1: ran the bank and you get into finance, there's an advantage.
Speaker 1: But I look around college football now and in a
Speaker 1: big game, I'm gonna tell you this, I would not
Speaker 1: want to face Lang Kiffin. I think he's clever. He
Speaker 1: by the way, playing with house money at all. Miss
Speaker 1: He's he's like he has the talent of most the
Speaker 1: top six, but none of the pressure that an Ohio
Speaker 1: State does if they met in the playoff.
Speaker 3: I think one thing that is dramatically different about him
Speaker 3: is at USC he almost had like this angry, edgy
Speaker 3: anti media being fun, and he's the complete opposite. Now
Speaker 3: he's just much more looser, especially in front of a camera.
Speaker 3: He feels much more natural. Maybe he just embraced it. Listen,
Speaker 3: Jimmy Sexton and Nick Saban changed his life. He says
Speaker 3: it as much right when he goes to Nick, and
Speaker 3: I wonder if he saw Nick like, you can be
Speaker 3: this hard driving, kind of a hole coach on the
Speaker 3: field and kind of handle when the lights are on
Speaker 3: with the media. Because you're in that business as an
Speaker 3: NFL coach. Your roster's your roster. You're not recruiting anyone
Speaker 3: out there in college football. It's a little different. It's
Speaker 3: why Nick, when the camera's on, kind of turns into
Speaker 3: a different guy. He has all these different kind of
Speaker 3: like characters he can play where I think Lane struggle
Speaker 3: with it now you watch him. I saw this clip
Speaker 3: on the internet the other day about he was on
Speaker 3: with the SEC the network guys, and they were asking
Speaker 3: about his dad and he's like, starts. You just got
Speaker 3: this emotional side of Lane. You have to remember Lane
Speaker 3: was a quarterback at Fresno State in the late nineties
Speaker 3: who when Pat Hill recruited Billy Vollock and David Carr,
Speaker 3: they said, Lane, you're never gonna play her. Immediately just
Speaker 3: transitioned into being a coach with Jeff Tedford, who was
Speaker 3: the offensive coordinator. This guy transitioned at like twenty years
Speaker 3: old to being a coach. And like you said, to me,
Speaker 3: it is an advantage if you do like you're mentally
Speaker 3: or I would say mature enough to handle it. Like
Speaker 3: Kyle Shanahan. This guy went right into it. And to me,
Speaker 3: Kyle's much more serious in the sense of you're not
Speaker 3: screwing around as much. Lane has some interests, I would
Speaker 3: say outside the football building. I wonder if he just
Speaker 3: has corralled it all and got the right people around him.
Speaker 3: But his personality in front of the quote unquote media
Speaker 3: or when he's doing things with a camera on, to me,
Speaker 3: is dramatically different than the guy that we saw at USC,
Speaker 3: which I thought was part of his undoing. He wasn't
Speaker 3: that likable? Isn't that a huge part of life? Like,
Speaker 3: if you're kind of likable, people root for you. Like
Speaker 3: the Sam Pittman guy at Arkansas. I think he's not
Speaker 3: very good, but everyone loves the guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's like everybody's really friendly. Stepdad be hard to fire,
Speaker 1: you know. It's like the Freakonomics top To talked about that.
Speaker 1: I think it was Freakonomics was the book they talked
Speaker 1: about that the doctors that get sued aren't the bad doctors.
Speaker 1: The doctors that get sued are often the most educated
Speaker 1: and the most successful doctors. They don't have good bedside manner.
Speaker 1: It's impossible to sue even the incompetent doctor you love, right,
Speaker 1: It's hard to fire somebody you really have great affection for.
Speaker 1: It's easy to sue the asshole surgeon that's screwed up
Speaker 1: during the surgery. Right. Like. So, I think as you
Speaker 1: become more likable, and let's be honest about this, my
Speaker 1: dad used to say this, you your employment will be
Speaker 1: based in rooms that you're not in. People will raise
Speaker 1: their hand, a boss will say, you know, raise your hand.
Speaker 1: Colin stays or goes.
Speaker 2: There's nine, you need five.
Speaker 3: You have rid of middle cough, the room goes silent.
Speaker 2: Me and Logan have those meetings almost every other week.
Speaker 1: There's a lot to be said with Lane is that
Speaker 1: when you're a little snarky and you go in a
Speaker 1: three game losing streak, or it's just much easier to
Speaker 1: get rid of guys that are.
Speaker 3: Pain Well, I'll give you a guy because in the
Speaker 3: NFL that only goes so far. If you're winning six
Speaker 3: to seven games, no matter how much they like you,
Speaker 3: they run you out of town. Arthur Smith, I remember
Speaker 3: when they fired or Arthur Smith was fired by Arthur
Speaker 3: Blank and Arthur Blanks I love the guy. I didn't
Speaker 3: want to do it, but he just wasn't good enough.
Speaker 3: I'm watching I was slipping around channels and watching Big
Speaker 3: ten Network. They had on Matt Ruhle. I'm like, ah,
Speaker 3: this guy's I see why this guy a good college coach.
Speaker 3: He's just kind of got a personality, can own the
Speaker 3: room when the camera's on, and you're like, I get it.
Speaker 3: And I've heard he's not easy to play for. Yes,
Speaker 3: it can be really difficult. And they're the classic team
Speaker 3: of like they bring in this young hot shot quarterback,
Speaker 3: and the expectations are high and it's usually hard to
Speaker 3: live up to those. All of a sudden, you win
Speaker 3: seven eight games, people are maybe like we sneak into
Speaker 3: the playoffs. Week two is Nebraska hosting Colorado. I mean,
Speaker 3: I don't know if you saw the clip. I think
Speaker 3: it was yesterday or two days ago. Even Dion was like, hey, CBS,
Speaker 3: whoever hear from CB, I'm sorry, We're all good now.
Speaker 3: I would imagine someone in Colorado like, we can't be
Speaker 3: doing all this, Like we gotta be a little careful.
Speaker 3: Pick your battles. You're not you're not the player. And
Speaker 3: that's where I think Dion kind of carries himself like
Speaker 3: you're the coach, but you got all these other guys
Speaker 3: and beside your couple sons in Travis Hunter, some of
Speaker 3: these guys aren't gonna be all back up all your words, right.
Speaker 3: We don't have Alabama. Who've gotta be careful that game
Speaker 3: because last year, remember Nebraska's quarterback looked like me. I mean,
Speaker 3: it was a joke.
Speaker 2: It was awful.
Speaker 3: It's gonna be a little more interesting this time around.
Speaker 3: That's one of those there's a lot of like you know,
Speaker 3: USC LSU and all these That's a game that I
Speaker 3: have this season circled like I want to. I'll be
Speaker 3: will not be moving off the couch for that one.
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