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Then 11 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:48,600 Speaker 1: they drafted a kicker. A week later, they said bye 12 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 1: bye to their legendary special teamer and kind of I 13 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 1: don't want to say out of nowhere, but a little 14 00:00:57,120 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 1: out of nowhere. A week after the draft, or two 15 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:03,680 Speaker 1: weeks after the draft, the Cowboys trade with the Steelers 16 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:06,840 Speaker 1: for George Pickens. We dive into that. 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The Dallas 45 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:34,400 Speaker 1: Cowboys and Jerry Jones made a trade today for a 46 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:39,639 Speaker 1: wide receiver, and my first reaction was, I don't like it. 47 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 1: I think it's kind of crazy. And I know they're 48 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:47,200 Speaker 1: getting a lot of praise because the Cowboys in action 49 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:50,679 Speaker 1: over the years. I mean last year Jerry made the 50 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:53,680 Speaker 1: comment we're all in, and then they didn't really do 51 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:57,400 Speaker 1: anything aggressively. Listen, let me say this about Jerry Jones, 52 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 1: because we talk about this a lot. Perception can become reality, 53 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 1: and sometimes the perception or the narrative about a human being, 54 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:10,880 Speaker 1: about a player, about a team is true. Like the 55 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 1: Jets are chaotic, right, George Pickens is not easy to coach. 56 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:19,959 Speaker 1: Mike Tomlin has expressed those concerns over the years. We're 57 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:23,720 Speaker 1: not just guessing based on his body language on television. 58 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:28,840 Speaker 1: Listen to a Mike Tomlin press conference about George Jerry Jones, 59 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 1: super rich guy, spends a lot of money. Let's pump 60 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:35,040 Speaker 1: the brakes there, because there's a big difference in the 61 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 1: NFL of just every team's paying players. Every team in 62 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 1: the NFL has a high expense for their roster, right 63 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 1: and there's a minimum you have to spend. But there's 64 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 1: a big difference in just having your roster and paying 65 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 1: for players. Obviously, some guys make a lot of money, 66 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 1: some guys make the league minimum and spending actual cash. 67 00:03:57,440 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 1: For example, last year and over the last four years, 68 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 1: no team in the league has spent more actual cash 69 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 1: that's signing bonuses, that's money, not just base salary throughout 70 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 1: the season. Two players than Jimmy Haslm. I think I 71 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:16,479 Speaker 1: saw in an article recently it was almost a billion 72 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 1: dollars last year. The Eagles in the forty nine ers 73 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 1: spent an astronomical amount of cash. 74 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 2: I mean we're talking. 75 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:27,159 Speaker 1: The cash they spent was more than the actual salary cap. 76 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:29,679 Speaker 1: That's how you can manipulate. It's what Howie and Jeffrey 77 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 1: have been doing. Same with the forty nine ers. You 78 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:35,839 Speaker 1: give these guys big contracts and then you spread out 79 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 1: the signing bonus over the life of the contract. And 80 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 1: when you think Jerry Jones, you're like, guy, he's given 81 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 1: Dak Prescott all this money ceedee lamb, all this money 82 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:47,120 Speaker 1: spending all this money, but relative cash to the rest 83 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 1: of the league. Jerry Jones didn't even crack the top 84 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 1: fifteen in the NFL. This was the thing with Robert 85 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:57,400 Speaker 1: Kraft for a long period of time. Everyone shitting on 86 00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 1: Belichick like that frugal a hole, he doesn't want to 87 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:04,279 Speaker 1: pay any of his players. It's actually the owner guys 88 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:08,240 Speaker 1: he loves empowering his coach that's able to get the 89 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:11,279 Speaker 1: most out of guys for cheap. The Patriots for like 90 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:15,479 Speaker 1: fifteen plus years had like the least amount of cash spending, 91 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 1: especially for all the good teams. Belichick took all the 92 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:23,359 Speaker 1: crap on that it was actually the owners and I 93 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:26,640 Speaker 1: think Jerry, who listen, the Cowboys are well run when 94 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 1: it comes to the draft. There is no disputing they 95 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:34,440 Speaker 1: draft good players. They have built good teams in multiple iterations, 96 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:37,400 Speaker 1: from the Jason Garrett crew to the Mike McCarthy crew 97 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 1: with homegrown guys. But I think recently we have two examples. 98 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 1: And listen, I've said this for a long time. 99 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 2: Being cheap is a disease. 100 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 1: It's something you get when you're young and most people 101 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:55,360 Speaker 1: never shake it. And whether you don't, whether you're at 102 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:58,719 Speaker 1: forty years old, whether you are a multi millionaire or 103 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:03,160 Speaker 1: someone making thirty brand a year that you don't shake that. 104 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 1: And when I see Jerry Jones when it comes to 105 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:09,839 Speaker 1: some of these moves, I go, he's this like oilmn 106 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 1: hoping to strike gold for cheap. Look at the Trey 107 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:17,839 Speaker 1: Lance contract or I mean transaction that the Cowboys did 108 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:20,160 Speaker 1: a couple of years ago. It's like Jerry, he can't 109 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 1: win the backup job in San Francisco for Kyle Shanahan. 110 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:25,760 Speaker 1: You think you're getting a deal with a fourth round pick, 111 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:26,720 Speaker 1: what are you doing? 112 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:27,720 Speaker 2: Well, what happened over. 113 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 1: The course of the next couple of years he couldn't win. 114 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:31,320 Speaker 2: The backup job in Dallas. 115 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:35,480 Speaker 1: What just happened today is the Jerry Jones traded a 116 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:38,839 Speaker 1: third round pick for George Pickens. It's like one I 117 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:42,839 Speaker 1: remember Billy Bean used to do this because his owner 118 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 1: was really cheap and in fairness to the owner, the 119 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 1: franchise didn't make any money. 120 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:49,280 Speaker 2: They had no revenue, so combination of it both. 121 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:52,479 Speaker 1: They would every couple of years, from basically two thousand 122 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:55,960 Speaker 1: to like twenty eighteen, they would have to trade all 123 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 1: their sweet players and they would go to all the 124 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:03,080 Speaker 1: usual suspects. The Cardinals, the Yankees, the Red Sox, the Dodgers, 125 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 1: the Giants would pillage their team and Billy Bean would 126 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 1: in return trade those guys for like three or four prospects, 127 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 1: and every single time he would hit on like fifty 128 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 1: percent of them. And when he was making these trades, 129 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 1: it wasn't always like I want your first, second, and 130 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 1: third best prospect in the minor leagues, he'd go, I 131 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 1: want the fourth guy, I want the ninth guy, and 132 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 1: I want the fifteenth guy. After a couple cycles of 133 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:32,880 Speaker 1: him building playoff teams from scratch, if he called you 134 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 1: and said, hey, we will trade you this All Star, 135 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 1: but we want your third, eighth, and. 136 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:40,920 Speaker 2: Seventeenth best prospect, maybe you should. 137 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:43,200 Speaker 1: Go, I really want this All Star, but what do 138 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 1: you see in these guys that. 139 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 2: Maybe we don't. 140 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:48,400 Speaker 1: And if the Pittsburgh Steelers got on the phone and said, hey, 141 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:51,560 Speaker 1: we got a wide receiver for you, do you know 142 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 1: what I'm saying? Click? 143 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 2: Not interested? 144 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 1: Obviously they got out of the Antonio Brown business. Somewhat 145 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 1: of an outlier situation. He was clearly not just the 146 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 1: best wide receiver one of the best players in the NFL. 147 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 1: Thing got weird, but his talent was immense bizarre situation. 148 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 1: The Raiders were really the only team interested, a little 149 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:13,680 Speaker 1: desperate at the time, but that situation. 150 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:15,160 Speaker 2: He is way better. 151 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 1: Than these next two guys. 152 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:18,760 Speaker 2: Honestly, his five year stretch is. 153 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:21,559 Speaker 1: One of the greatest stretches in the NFL history. So, yeah, 154 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:25,280 Speaker 1: he kind of went cuckoo, but he was an elite player. 155 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:29,680 Speaker 1: But these last couple guys, Chase Claypool and George Pickens, 156 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:33,000 Speaker 1: lot of talent, a lot of physical attributes. But you 157 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 1: know what, both times had happened. Tomlin clearly went. And 158 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 1: Tomlin's a defensive guy, but he's the head coach team culture. 159 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:45,280 Speaker 1: All that stuff is his baby. He goes, I'm out, 160 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:48,839 Speaker 1: I'm not into this. This guy is not good enough. 161 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:51,400 Speaker 2: He got Ryan Poles to bite for a second rounder. 162 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:53,840 Speaker 1: Now he gets Jerry Jones to bite for a third rounder. 163 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:56,960 Speaker 1: At least when Ryan Poles made that deal, it blew 164 00:08:57,040 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 1: up in his face. Chase Claypool had a couple of 165 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:03,800 Speaker 1: years left on his contract. Jerry Jones gets George Pickens 166 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 1: for one year left. It's like, listen, I see it 167 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:09,040 Speaker 1: a lot with Maria because he's in real estate. Some 168 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 1: of these people get into these deals and like, we're 169 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 1: gonna low ball this guy for two hundred grand on 170 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:17,680 Speaker 1: the house and what happens. Yeah, that's a no, no deal, 171 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:18,880 Speaker 1: not gonna happen. 172 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:20,320 Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, I. 173 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:22,559 Speaker 1: Would love to do that too. You're not gonna get 174 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 1: a yes. On the other side, no one wanted this 175 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 1: guy except Jerry because it's like we're gonna get lightning 176 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:28,720 Speaker 1: in a bottle here. 177 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:29,680 Speaker 2: Probably not. 178 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:33,560 Speaker 1: And what we've witnessed last year with George Pickens, like 179 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:37,160 Speaker 1: I wouldn't be in business with that player now. I'm 180 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:40,200 Speaker 1: not acting like he is not really physically gifted in 181 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 1: a great fifty to fifty contested catch ball in theory, 182 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:45,320 Speaker 1: but you put him in a situation with a first 183 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:48,319 Speaker 1: year head coach, which I don't want to say he's 184 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:50,400 Speaker 1: over his head. He hasn't coached the game. But a 185 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:52,719 Speaker 1: guy that won was not getting a head coaching job 186 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 1: anywhere else. A ton of pressure because of the Dallas 187 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 1: Cowboys you have. It also puts a lot of pressure 188 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:01,800 Speaker 1: in a quarterback who you know physically has some limitations 189 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 1: but really hangs his hat on leadership. It's like you 190 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 1: got to corral this guy. You also get this player 191 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 1: who has one year left till his payday. Who's gonna 192 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:11,960 Speaker 1: be thinking a little Mimi II because that's what he 193 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:15,960 Speaker 1: naturally does. Anyway, and the pressure goes on the coach 194 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:18,880 Speaker 1: and Jerry's hoping we get this cheap player and he 195 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:19,640 Speaker 1: can help us out. 196 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 2: But here's the thing. 197 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 1: It's like, well, middle God, you gave a third round pick. 198 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:25,160 Speaker 1: I got no problem doing this, giving a third round 199 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:28,560 Speaker 1: pick for a player I'm going to extend its cost 200 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 1: of doing business. I also have no problem giving a 201 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:34,040 Speaker 1: third round pick for a player in the middle of 202 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 1: a season that I think can help me go on 203 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:39,400 Speaker 1: a playoff run. We see it all the time, right 204 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:42,679 Speaker 1: teams that are six and three or seven and two. 205 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:46,040 Speaker 1: They're like, we were missing a wide receiver. It's a 206 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 1: little risky, but here's a third round pick for this player. 207 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:50,080 Speaker 2: It's a rental. Totally get it. 208 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:54,840 Speaker 1: But if you're the Cowboys, and I would say draft 209 00:10:54,840 --> 00:11:00,200 Speaker 1: capital is gonna be pretty important given that you have 210 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 1: high priced players, having good players in the third round 211 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:09,040 Speaker 1: on your roster. I looked, I xed out of the deal, 212 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:13,040 Speaker 1: but twenty twenty three third round picks because I just 213 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:16,440 Speaker 1: wanted to go over some players that, like, you're not 214 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:19,199 Speaker 1: guaranteed anything, and I'm not acting like giving up a 215 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:21,360 Speaker 1: third round pick is the end of the world. But 216 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:27,079 Speaker 1: the Rams drafted Byron Young from Tennessee with pick seventy seven. 217 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 1: The Green Bay Packers took Tucker Craft. The Denver Broncos 218 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 1: took Riley Moss the corner, The Miami Dolphins took Devin 219 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:39,560 Speaker 1: ah Chang, the sweet running back. The forty nine Ers 220 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:44,640 Speaker 1: drafted their starting safety, jy yr Brown. Kobe Turner, another 221 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:47,080 Speaker 1: really good player for the Rams, drafted in the third round. 222 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:53,960 Speaker 1: The Dallas Cowboys drafted Demarvion How do I I don't 223 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:56,720 Speaker 1: even know. I've just called him overshown but now he 224 00:11:56,800 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 1: got injured last year, but overshown was pretty sweet. Like, 225 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:03,840 Speaker 1: you get a lot of really talented players in the 226 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:07,599 Speaker 1: third round who are on very cheap contracts, and to 227 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 1: trade that for a player who is a rental and 228 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:16,040 Speaker 1: if this gets weird and you don't resign him, you go, well, 229 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:18,960 Speaker 1: we get a comp pick. Well, depending how weird it gets, 230 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 1: that determines his value. So to me, this has it's 231 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:26,079 Speaker 1: different because this guy's established. I'm a starting player in 232 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 1: the NFL, unlike Trey Lance. But to me, there are 233 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 1: too many similarities and parallels to that situation. It's like, Jerry, 234 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:35,199 Speaker 1: you guys run a draft and I think, you know what, 235 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:36,439 Speaker 1: these guys are just solid here. 236 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:37,360 Speaker 2: They just have a. 237 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:40,400 Speaker 1: Pretty good plan and they execute it. This feels like 238 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:44,560 Speaker 1: he's freelancing, wheeling and dealing hoping to get that million 239 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:45,440 Speaker 1: dollar home. 240 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 2: For four hundred grand. 241 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:50,119 Speaker 1: It's like, Jerry, that's not really how this works, especially 242 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:53,440 Speaker 1: when you are acquiring this player from that team at 243 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 1: that position. I'd be out and I didn't do much 244 00:12:57,960 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 1: like canvassing of the different tape, but I would imagine 245 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:02,640 Speaker 1: most people are like, God, they needed a wide receiver. 246 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 1: They get some talent, they don't. 247 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 2: Have to give away that much. 248 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:08,320 Speaker 1: I look at the opposite and I'm not some draft hoarder, 249 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:11,439 Speaker 1: like sometimes you got to give up picks to get players. 250 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 1: I don't love what the Steelers did because I don't 251 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:16,160 Speaker 1: even know who their quarterback is. They gave up a 252 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 1: second round pick for DK Metcalf, who I think through 253 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:21,280 Speaker 1: three years had more touchdowns or as many touchdowns like 254 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:24,200 Speaker 1: any player in NFL history. I know it slowed down 255 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:26,320 Speaker 1: a little bit after that as the quarterback situation, but 256 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 1: it was clear like unique player I mean and can 257 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:33,720 Speaker 1: take over and dominate. They gave him up a second 258 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:35,720 Speaker 1: round pick and then they extended him, so it's like, 259 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 1: we just acquire this player and he's not going anywhere. 260 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:40,800 Speaker 1: Now we can argue it's like, do you give that 261 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:43,280 Speaker 1: much money to a player at a position when you 262 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:46,320 Speaker 1: don't have a quarterback. That's fair, but at least the 263 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:48,920 Speaker 1: logic if we are going to trade a second day 264 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:51,120 Speaker 1: pick for a player, we're gonna make sure that guy's 265 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 1: on our team for a while. And Jerry kind of 266 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:54,959 Speaker 1: does the opposite. We'll just play it out, We'll just 267 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 1: see what happens. Well, if I'm a betting man, I'll 268 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:00,640 Speaker 1: tell you I would imagine the George pick is not 269 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:03,400 Speaker 1: going to be on this team for that long. So 270 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 1: to trade a valuable pick where you have literally found 271 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:11,720 Speaker 1: sweet players for cheap it is a head scratcher. And 272 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:15,280 Speaker 1: I think this is more Jerry being Jerry and trying 273 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:18,760 Speaker 1: to like win the deal and go, god, we got 274 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:22,080 Speaker 1: to steal here. Like, no, they're not really steals when 275 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 1: making these trades. Anyone could have had this guy, and 276 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:27,600 Speaker 1: clearly people are like, yeah, not that interested, And from 277 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 1: a Steelers standpoint, like they wanted out of this business. 278 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:35,040 Speaker 2: And I don't blame them like they have recent. 279 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 1: History of going like this is not going to work, 280 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 1: this is not a formula. 281 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:40,280 Speaker 2: Not fair to our other players. 282 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:42,440 Speaker 1: To have to deal with this, And it's like, yeah, 283 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:45,960 Speaker 1: you definitely couldn't have George and DK, but at least 284 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:48,400 Speaker 1: DK has proven that he can produce at a really 285 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 1: really high level. It can be I don't know, a 286 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 1: pro Bowl level guy. It isn't just all like George 287 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 1: Pickens feels to me much more like an NBA player, 288 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 1: a guy that everyone in the media constantly t and 289 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:03,040 Speaker 1: then you look at a stats you're like, what, And 290 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:04,520 Speaker 1: then you watch him in the biggest games, You're like, 291 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 1: am I missing something? Am I not watching the right 292 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:09,920 Speaker 1: game here? What's going on? All I hear about is 293 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:11,280 Speaker 1: this guy? And then you watch him play, You're like, 294 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:15,200 Speaker 1: leaves a little something to be desired and listen. It's 295 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:17,000 Speaker 1: not like DK is the perfect player, but I've seen 296 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:18,840 Speaker 1: him in some big fucking games over the course of his. 297 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:20,880 Speaker 2: Career and show up and make place. 298 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 1: And it's like, so it's like, okay, if I'm gonna 299 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:25,800 Speaker 1: have to deal with some similar stuff, He's been a 300 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 1: guy that that yellow flags come out. 301 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:28,920 Speaker 2: He can be a little emotional. 302 00:15:29,480 --> 00:15:31,960 Speaker 1: At least I know I can get ten plus touchdowns 303 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:35,040 Speaker 1: right last I checked, I think George Pickens's career high 304 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:37,960 Speaker 1: is five. Yet when you hear people talk about him, 305 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:43,000 Speaker 1: it's like four touchdowns, five touchdowns, three touchdowns. You think 306 00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:45,120 Speaker 1: the way he's discussed, specially now in Dallas, he's like, 307 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 1: you know, has thirty career touchdowns, it's twelve. I just 308 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:55,320 Speaker 1: think sometimes the hype can outweigh the actual individual. So 309 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:58,240 Speaker 1: totally understand if you're doing with the Steelers this guy 310 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:01,040 Speaker 1: that you are not going to extend. They have turned 311 00:16:01,080 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 1: George Pickens and Chase Claypool into a second and third 312 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 1: round pick on top of getting to use them until 313 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:08,840 Speaker 1: they realize we don't want to use them anymore. So 314 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:11,560 Speaker 1: like that's really really good business. And the Cowboys are 315 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:13,920 Speaker 1: on the opposite end of this. I mean, we crushed 316 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 1: Ryan Polls for that. I listen, I'm not acting like 317 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:20,840 Speaker 1: George Pickens isn't a better player than Claypool, but I 318 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 1: think it's in that similar world. I just I don't 319 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 1: understand that move, Like is this something the best gms 320 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 1: in the. 321 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:28,800 Speaker 2: League would do? 322 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 1: And I think the answer is unequivocally one thousand percent. 323 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 1: Hell no so. And I've been a supporter of the Cowboys. 324 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 1: Hell I picked them last year to make the playoffs. 325 00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:41,040 Speaker 1: Don't think I'm gonna do it this year. But I'm 326 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:44,680 Speaker 1: not acting like they're, you know, some terrible team. I 327 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:47,240 Speaker 1: just think the risk here doesn't meet the reward. And 328 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:50,760 Speaker 1: like I said with that Billy Bean example, the Steelers 329 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 1: are the team when it comes to wide receivers. I'm 330 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:54,560 Speaker 1: just not doing a deal with you. I don't want 331 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:55,640 Speaker 1: to be in that business. 332 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:57,360 Speaker 2: I'm out right. 333 00:16:57,640 --> 00:17:00,000 Speaker 1: They got rid of what's his name last year, Deontay Johnson, 334 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:02,400 Speaker 1: and it just got weird, and it got weird fast 335 00:17:02,760 --> 00:17:05,240 Speaker 1: with everybody else. It's like he's on four different teams, 336 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:08,440 Speaker 1: getting cut wave traded like this is a bizarre situation. 337 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:12,200 Speaker 1: When Mike Tomlin tells you I'm not interested anymore at 338 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:15,479 Speaker 1: that spot, I think you should listen to him. So 339 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:20,480 Speaker 1: I don't know, man, I just think I think the 340 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 1: Cowboys have really really benefited. Washington was pretty bad for 341 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:32,800 Speaker 1: twenty years, and specifically those couple of years before you know, 342 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:34,960 Speaker 1: Josh Harris bought the team and Adam and Dan Quinn 343 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:37,320 Speaker 1: showed up with Ron Rivera who felt like he, you know. 344 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:41,280 Speaker 2: Was kind of going through the motions. And they're gonna 345 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:41,760 Speaker 2: be good. Now. 346 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:46,040 Speaker 1: Obviously the Eagles are really really good. Even the Giants 347 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:49,439 Speaker 1: like have some talent, and I don't know how good 348 00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:54,240 Speaker 1: they're gonna be, but listen, they're just not some joke team. 349 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:57,400 Speaker 1: Well they can be, but it's it's gonna be difficult 350 00:17:57,440 --> 00:18:00,600 Speaker 1: to win three games in your division. 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Certain people, especially in 409 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:07,800 Speaker 1: certain industries and certain businesses, are just going to be 410 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:12,040 Speaker 1: treated differently. And I think when you look at football specifically, 411 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:16,560 Speaker 1: there are a couple positions where the margin for error 412 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:21,000 Speaker 1: for you either being a distraction, a problem, or simply 413 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:26,480 Speaker 1: not good enough, the leash on your career or your 414 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:30,840 Speaker 1: status with that team is basically nil. Zero does not exist. 415 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:33,879 Speaker 1: There is no leash. You get a much longer leash 416 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:37,200 Speaker 1: when you are a great wide receiver, a great offensive tackle, 417 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:40,879 Speaker 1: a great pass rusher, obviously a great quarterback. Look at 418 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:44,040 Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson, all the shit that was going on around 419 00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:46,600 Speaker 1: him when he was demanding a trade, and the teams 420 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:49,120 Speaker 1: that were interested. He convinced one owner, Now you could 421 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:53,640 Speaker 1: argue the craziest owner in the sport, but to give 422 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:56,719 Speaker 1: him two hundred thirty million dollars simply because everyone at 423 00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 1: the time thought he was a high end Pro Bowl quarterback. 424 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:03,320 Speaker 1: Clearly was not the case. But even Russell Wilson, who 425 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:05,240 Speaker 1: had never been in trouble like Deshaun Watson, was like 426 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:08,680 Speaker 1: kind of weird, you know, team not really into him. 427 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:10,280 Speaker 1: Pete Carroll, these guys are kind of over him. And 428 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:12,879 Speaker 1: the Denver Broncos, Like, what do you want multiple ones, 429 00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:18,480 Speaker 1: a brand new contract. Russell, You're our guy because he's important, 430 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:21,200 Speaker 1: and he's much more important than most guys on the team. 431 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:23,840 Speaker 1: I would say the least important guys on a team 432 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:27,639 Speaker 1: in terms of the hierarchy from a coaching staff and 433 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:28,720 Speaker 1: definitely in front. 434 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:30,480 Speaker 2: Office are the specialists. 435 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:33,240 Speaker 1: Not that you don't need them to win. Having a 436 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:36,240 Speaker 1: good kicker and having a good punter is important. But 437 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:37,560 Speaker 1: justin Tucker just learned. 438 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:38,240 Speaker 2: A valuable lesson. 439 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:40,399 Speaker 1: He is gonna go down, at least in my life 440 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:44,920 Speaker 1: as probably the best kicker of the Internet era. I 441 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:47,600 Speaker 1: use that a lot because that's kind of my high 442 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:52,760 Speaker 1: school to current right basically two thousand till present. And 443 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:54,760 Speaker 1: I would say if you needed a kicker in his 444 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:58,080 Speaker 1: prime on your team, you would choose him. He was 445 00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:00,880 Speaker 1: a weapon. I mean game winning kicks like sixty five 446 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:04,000 Speaker 1: plus yards. Obviously, he was so accurate, he was incredible. 447 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:06,840 Speaker 1: And then over the course of the last twelve months, 448 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:10,800 Speaker 1: obviously most recently you will think of his Deshaun Watson situation. 449 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:14,800 Speaker 1: But the reason he was cut today isn't just that simple. 450 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:17,399 Speaker 1: It's because this year he had the worst year of 451 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:21,679 Speaker 1: his career, lowest percentage of makes of his career. 452 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:23,080 Speaker 2: And it felt like. 453 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:25,080 Speaker 1: Even before I went to his just wiki page to 454 00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:27,560 Speaker 1: see the percent when you were sitting there on the 455 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:30,440 Speaker 1: couch on Sunday having the four box up on YouTube 456 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:34,120 Speaker 1: and the Ravens, he was missing a lot of big kicks. Honestly, 457 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:36,600 Speaker 1: it felt like he missed a lot more than the 458 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:39,800 Speaker 1: stats he said. So when I saw the headline today 459 00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:43,800 Speaker 1: that the Ravens had cut Justin Tucker, it wasn't because 460 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:46,119 Speaker 1: they have any idea whether this is true or not, 461 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:49,440 Speaker 1: and honestly, maybe they do at this point. It's because 462 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:53,399 Speaker 1: he's simply not good enough to worry about his problems. 463 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:56,800 Speaker 1: Whether he's in the wrong or whether he's in the right. 464 00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:59,880 Speaker 1: We don't have time to figure that out and yours. 465 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:02,160 Speaker 1: They just draft a kicker in the sixth round. They 466 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:04,480 Speaker 1: got no fucking kid. If this kid from Arizona that 467 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:08,160 Speaker 1: they just drafted is gonna be any good, we see constantly, guys, 468 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:10,160 Speaker 1: the forty nine ers drafted guy in the third round. 469 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:11,680 Speaker 1: He could not be trusted. 470 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:12,880 Speaker 2: He might be a. 471 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:16,960 Speaker 1: Bust, and Jim Harbaugh once considered him at the University 472 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:22,919 Speaker 1: of Michigan. I think it was like death taxes and Moody. 473 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:25,359 Speaker 1: He was that automatic. The forty nine ers get him. 474 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:27,399 Speaker 1: Can't make a kick to save his life, so no 475 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:31,800 Speaker 1: one has any clue. Justin Tucker famously pretty sure undrafted 476 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:35,399 Speaker 1: free agent and used often as an example of why listen, 477 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:38,560 Speaker 1: kicking's pretty random. This is not like quarterbacks or pass rushers. 478 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:41,600 Speaker 1: You can find these guys on the street after the draft. 479 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:45,280 Speaker 1: But today was about like, it's just too loud, and 480 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:47,679 Speaker 1: whether you're a kicker, whether you're a punter, whether you're 481 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:49,920 Speaker 1: a long snapper. And I would also put the backup 482 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 1: quarterback in this situation. Your leash does not exist. The 483 00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:59,960 Speaker 1: conversation around you is zero the moment it gets loud, noisy. 484 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:04,760 Speaker 1: See you, we got enough other issues and enough other problems, 485 00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:07,480 Speaker 1: and winning in this league is hard enough. If we're 486 00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:11,080 Speaker 1: the Ravens, we got one goal and that's to win 487 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:14,040 Speaker 1: the AFC. Why can't we beat the Chiefs and beat 488 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:16,560 Speaker 1: the Bills? Like that's all worried about. We don't have 489 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:19,640 Speaker 1: time to figure out you're off the field issues as 490 00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:21,919 Speaker 1: a thirty five year old kicker. And that's why they 491 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:26,520 Speaker 1: cut them today, not because I mean indirectly because of 492 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:29,400 Speaker 1: this situation that he's dealing with from like a decade ago, 493 00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:31,800 Speaker 1: but it's like, we don't got time to deal with 494 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:39,600 Speaker 1: that bullshit. Welcome to life. 495 00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:45,720 Speaker 4: Blending Vice's signature dynamic storytelling with the high octane world 496 00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:49,200 Speaker 4: of sports, Vice Sports brings an exciting and diverse range 497 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:51,920 Speaker 4: of programming that goes beyond the game. From action pack 498 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:55,200 Speaker 4: live events to gripping behind the scenes documentaries, to hard 499 00:25:55,280 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 4: hitting investigative pieces and in depth profiles of athletes, coaches, teams. 500 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:03,879 Speaker 4: Vice Sports captures the raw energy, drama, and passion that 501 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:07,800 Speaker 4: makes sports truly unforgettable. Catch live events and other exclusive 502 00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:12,240 Speaker 4: sports programs only on Vice TV. Go to vicetv dot 503 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:14,679 Speaker 4: com to find your cable channel. 504 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:28,679 Speaker 1: Well, I saw that the minority owner for the Steelers 505 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:35,359 Speaker 1: said that the Aaron Rodgers trade situation is more complex 506 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:42,320 Speaker 1: than artificial intelligence. I've also always defended Aaron Rodgers because 507 00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:45,640 Speaker 1: I thought, for fifteen plus years, even when people thought 508 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:48,040 Speaker 1: he was doing weird shit, he was an elite player 509 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:50,640 Speaker 1: in some of his weird stuff, wouldn't even consider weird. 510 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:53,520 Speaker 1: I was in totally agreement with, But I get like 511 00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:57,119 Speaker 1: some people thought he was selfish, not always normal. The 512 00:26:57,160 --> 00:26:59,360 Speaker 1: Gudikins thing I definitely didn't agree with. It's like, you're 513 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:02,760 Speaker 1: in a pretty good but at this point in time, 514 00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:05,480 Speaker 1: it is starting to get a little bizarre. And if 515 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:07,640 Speaker 1: this is a situation that is not figured out over 516 00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:11,800 Speaker 1: the next five or six days, I would say the 517 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:14,480 Speaker 1: Steelers should walk away. But they can't because they don't have. 518 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:15,280 Speaker 2: Any other options. 519 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:19,959 Speaker 1: And I think anyone in any line of work in 520 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,240 Speaker 1: the private sector will learn you never want to do 521 00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:25,159 Speaker 1: a deal out of desperation, whether that deal is for 522 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:27,240 Speaker 1: a dollar or whether that deal is for one hundred 523 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:29,960 Speaker 1: million dollars. When you are desperate, that's where you get 524 00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:33,000 Speaker 1: put in compromise situations and you do things that you regret. 525 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:37,800 Speaker 1: And I listen, the Steelers are desperate, because no well 526 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:41,280 Speaker 1: run organization would want to be just waiting for the 527 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:44,119 Speaker 1: phone call. And at first I just thought, listen, he's 528 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:47,000 Speaker 1: dealing with some stuff. Totally listen, he's a older player. 529 00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:50,359 Speaker 1: But when a minority owner is going to go on 530 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:54,439 Speaker 1: CNBC and say a comment like that, I mean, there 531 00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:57,480 Speaker 1: are a lot of different variables here. And I think 532 00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:01,960 Speaker 1: whenever he signs, because I do think it's inevitable, I 533 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:04,640 Speaker 1: wouldn't bet my life savings on it. I just think 534 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:07,200 Speaker 1: that they are headed in a similar direction as they've 535 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:10,840 Speaker 1: been the last couple of years. I wouldn't pick them 536 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:13,399 Speaker 1: to even win a playoff game, and you're depending on 537 00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:16,320 Speaker 1: a forty one year old guy who you know. I 538 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:20,800 Speaker 1: always say this about like when you're drafted by a 539 00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:24,879 Speaker 1: by a team, like ultimately, the Steelers had the most 540 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,880 Speaker 1: to lose with George Pickens, right they I'm pretty sure 541 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:29,040 Speaker 1: second round pick? 542 00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:30,560 Speaker 2: Double check that. 543 00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:34,879 Speaker 1: So they drafted him, Yeah, fifty second overall pick. So 544 00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:37,639 Speaker 1: when I invest a second round pick, I'm invested in you. 545 00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:40,040 Speaker 1: I want to see this work, and then you show 546 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:42,520 Speaker 1: signs like I'm going to go the extra mile. The 547 00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:44,560 Speaker 1: equivalent for George Pickens is like a fifth to six 548 00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:45,400 Speaker 1: seventh round pick. 549 00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:46,400 Speaker 2: He might have been. 550 00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:48,240 Speaker 1: Traded last year's it's not worth the headache. I don't 551 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:50,200 Speaker 1: have the time, but I've invested a lot of you know, 552 00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:54,600 Speaker 1: draft resources in you. I'm in Now he's on the Cowboys. 553 00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:58,240 Speaker 1: His equity with a team and a coaching staff is 554 00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:03,480 Speaker 1: diminished greatly immediately, is probably cut in half. Like they 555 00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:06,520 Speaker 1: look at you much more now. Not that every team 556 00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:08,920 Speaker 1: doesn't look at their players like this. In some Vein. 557 00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:11,600 Speaker 1: But when I draft you, it's more than just you're 558 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:15,800 Speaker 1: my asset. You're a guy that can just score some touchdowns. 559 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:17,880 Speaker 1: Like I get to know you, you become a part 560 00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:21,000 Speaker 1: of my organization. We know each other's families. 561 00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:24,040 Speaker 2: It is different. I mean that, there's no disputing that. 562 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:27,280 Speaker 1: And now he's in this cycle of just who knows. 563 00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:29,920 Speaker 1: And we've seen it constantly with a lot of guys 564 00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:33,479 Speaker 1: that become kind of issues and they become that quickly. 565 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:37,200 Speaker 1: I said this about Aaron Rodgers, like now that he's 566 00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:38,800 Speaker 1: in this weird spot where he's like I'm to go 567 00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:41,280 Speaker 1: to the Steelers, like yeah, that's cool, but like if 568 00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:43,280 Speaker 1: it doesn't go well, they won't give a shit about you. 569 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:46,280 Speaker 1: We saw once Robert Sahla and Joe Douglas were gone, 570 00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:49,280 Speaker 1: Like Aaron, Glenn didn't care about you. He didn't have 571 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:54,840 Speaker 1: any draft capital or your equity based on I owe 572 00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:57,800 Speaker 1: you because I told Woody Johnson that we should trade 573 00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:00,120 Speaker 1: a first and a second round pick to acquire you. 574 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,360 Speaker 1: Not my problem. I didn't want I can say I 575 00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:04,240 Speaker 1: didn't even want you. I thought he was slipping the 576 00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:06,200 Speaker 1: last year when we played him in Green Bay. 577 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:08,840 Speaker 2: So I think these guys got to. 578 00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:12,280 Speaker 1: Be very, very careful, and it's kind of it's kind 579 00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:16,480 Speaker 1: of sad where the Steelers are good move today. I 580 00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:18,640 Speaker 1: give them credit, but just in terms of their organization 581 00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:22,840 Speaker 1: waiting at the just whenever Aaron Rodgers feels like giving 582 00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:25,080 Speaker 1: Tomlin a call saying I'm in, which could happen, I 583 00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:27,240 Speaker 1: guess at any moment, but it feels like it. We're 584 00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:31,240 Speaker 1: no closer today than we were yesterday. The Los Angeles 585 00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:35,240 Speaker 1: Rams kind of genius because I think a huge part 586 00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:40,200 Speaker 1: of OTA's now it's less about for new coaches. For sure, 587 00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:42,360 Speaker 1: it's really important. We'll get into that in a minute, 588 00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:45,480 Speaker 1: but for a team like the Rams, for Andy Reid, 589 00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:49,840 Speaker 1: for the Harball, jefferitly, John Harbaugh for Kyle Shanahan did 590 00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:51,880 Speaker 1: have had like a corps of guys for a long 591 00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:56,840 Speaker 1: time like OTA's, you're not teaching everyone from scratch everything. 592 00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:00,680 Speaker 1: It's about a bonding experience. These Ota are kind of 593 00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:02,920 Speaker 1: a joke. I mean, I've been going the last four 594 00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:06,080 Speaker 1: or five years and they are much less intense than 595 00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:08,520 Speaker 1: they were ten fifteen years ago. And I'm not saying 596 00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:11,040 Speaker 1: that as like a shot, like you could argue they've 597 00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:13,760 Speaker 1: always been a little overrated but it's much more about 598 00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:17,120 Speaker 1: spending time together, depending on where you live, maybe going 599 00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:19,400 Speaker 1: to a hockey game or an NBA game as a group, 600 00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:22,280 Speaker 1: going to big dinners, just getting to know each other. Now, 601 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:25,000 Speaker 1: part of the trip to Maui that the Rams are 602 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:27,560 Speaker 1: gonna make, I'm sure has to deal with a sale 603 00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:31,960 Speaker 1: between the organization getting money from Hawaii, but I also 604 00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:35,000 Speaker 1: think this is a built in way to just bond. 605 00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:38,640 Speaker 1: I know Coach Reid, and I know the Steelers, and 606 00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:40,400 Speaker 1: I know Sean Payton was like this for a long 607 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:43,400 Speaker 1: time in New Orleans. Really believed in getting away for 608 00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:46,360 Speaker 1: training camp because it just kind of isolated the group. 609 00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:48,360 Speaker 1: And I remember when I was with the Eagles. They 610 00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:49,160 Speaker 1: no longer do this. 611 00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:51,960 Speaker 2: We used to go to Lehigh and you would just go. 612 00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:55,560 Speaker 1: I forget exactly how far away was away from the facility. 613 00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:59,000 Speaker 1: It's probably our hour fifteen to twenty minutes and you're 614 00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:02,560 Speaker 1: just up in this area. Wasn't much to do, just 615 00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:06,320 Speaker 1: kind of as the group, the players, the coaches, the trainers, 616 00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:08,200 Speaker 1: the equipment staff, the scouts, and it was just like 617 00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:10,520 Speaker 1: that's kind of it when the fans come from practice 618 00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:12,240 Speaker 1: and they leave and you're just kind of stuck there 619 00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:17,040 Speaker 1: for several weeks, and I do think there is a 620 00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:21,160 Speaker 1: bonding element that is really really positive, especially in a 621 00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:23,360 Speaker 1: day and age when let's face it, and I'm guilty 622 00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:24,680 Speaker 1: of this too, we're spending a lot of time on 623 00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:27,239 Speaker 1: our phones. We're always on our computers, We're always just 624 00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:28,800 Speaker 1: we can isolate pretty easily. 625 00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:31,680 Speaker 2: And uh, you get to go to Hawaii for a 626 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:32,400 Speaker 2: couple of days. 627 00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:37,040 Speaker 1: Pretty cool if I was a RAMS player, I'm sure 628 00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:40,120 Speaker 1: they're taking charter in the plane over there, approaching like 629 00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:41,760 Speaker 1: a road trip. You stay for three or four days 630 00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:45,120 Speaker 1: on the water, do some walkthroughs, catch some balls, get 631 00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:48,120 Speaker 1: a little sweat on, and have some cocktails by the pool. 632 00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:49,800 Speaker 1: So it sounds like a good time. The other the 633 00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:53,760 Speaker 1: other news was we were supposed to have a bunch 634 00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:57,520 Speaker 1: of trades during the draft ended up not happening. It 635 00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:00,200 Speaker 1: sure looked like Dallas Goddard was gonna get traded. Now 636 00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:04,480 Speaker 1: looking back, maybe it was the Eagles hoping for him 637 00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:07,920 Speaker 1: to take a pay cut. And you know, just believe 638 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:10,600 Speaker 1: in like, listen, you don't have that many options in 639 00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:13,440 Speaker 1: the teams that would be interested. It might suck like 640 00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:15,720 Speaker 1: you might not be Your team might not be any good. 641 00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:18,480 Speaker 1: So you can take a little haircut here and you 642 00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:21,280 Speaker 1: can continue to be trying to be defending champ. Who 643 00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:23,280 Speaker 1: knows we're going to be favored to win it again, 644 00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:26,600 Speaker 1: like we're going to be really good. And I do 645 00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:30,640 Speaker 1: wonder if Howie and the organization, by just saying like yeah, 646 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:32,840 Speaker 1: he's on the team as of now, like they would 647 00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:35,520 Speaker 1: make comments like that, was trying to pressure, like listen, 648 00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:37,240 Speaker 1: and I'm sure behind the scenes are telling him we 649 00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:39,280 Speaker 1: want you to stay, but we need you to play 650 00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:42,200 Speaker 1: at this number, and it's worked recently if you build 651 00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:46,240 Speaker 1: the right culture and you are winning team. The Rams 652 00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:49,120 Speaker 1: just said it was Stafford who clearly took a I 653 00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:52,720 Speaker 1: think the report was twenty plus million dollars. He took 654 00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:55,239 Speaker 1: less to stay in with the Rams. The forty nine 655 00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:58,040 Speaker 1: ers have done it multiple times. With Kyle Uschek, It's 656 00:33:58,040 --> 00:33:59,560 Speaker 1: like we want you here, but you've got to take 657 00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:00,800 Speaker 1: a cut, and you're like look around. 658 00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:03,400 Speaker 2: He's like, I'm just gonna stay. I like playing here, 659 00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:05,880 Speaker 2: And to me, that speaks to like. 660 00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:09,000 Speaker 1: Now, some of these guys I never blamed, like Milton 661 00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,880 Speaker 1: Williams for getting twenty six million dollars a year but 662 00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:13,879 Speaker 1: taking a little haircut to stay at a place where 663 00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:15,879 Speaker 1: you know you could win, where you know they like you. 664 00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:19,960 Speaker 1: There is value to that, and clearly Dallas Goddard saw 665 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:26,360 Speaker 1: that in Staying with the Eagles. The volume