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Speaker 1: I realized that's important work. But that's that's integral work,

428
00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:38,560
Speaker 1: you know, Like I really I realized though that like

429
00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:41,280
Speaker 1: part of the reason why you see, like like there

430
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Speaker 1: were manufacturers. There's a company that makes helmets, and and

431
00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:47,119
Speaker 1: one of their engineers told me a bunch of stuff

432
00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:49,679
Speaker 1: and it wasn't off the record, so I reported it,

433
00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:53,200
Speaker 1: and they like, oh my God, sent these like ranting emails,

434
00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:55,879
Speaker 1: like furious, like our board of directors isn't comfortable with

435
00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:57,600
Speaker 1: this story. I'm like, well then why do you tell me?

436
00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:01,199
Speaker 1: And uh, but but I mean I realized that like

437
00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:02,880
Speaker 1: a lot of these vendors and a lot of these

438
00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:05,120
Speaker 1: companies that are used to being treated with kid gloves

439
00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:08,520
Speaker 1: like they're the story, Like nobody really writes like those

440
00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:11,040
Speaker 1: kinds of like expose is, like when was the last

441
00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:12,959
Speaker 1: time you saw like a gun review, Like, hey, your

442
00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:17,119
Speaker 1: gun fucking sucks. Blast. Time I saw one was a

443
00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:19,720
Speaker 1: while ago now, And it was actually the sig P

444
00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:22,760
Speaker 1: three twenty, which has been adopted by I think the

445
00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:24,800
Speaker 1: entire d O D at this point, but the army

446
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:27,159
Speaker 1: initially and a lot of law enforcement, was that the

447
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:30,359
Speaker 1: one that was having that drop safety issue exactly. You know,

448
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:33,360
Speaker 1: if you dropped it on its dovetail, it would fire around,

449
00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:37,640
Speaker 1: you know, which is absolutely an unacceptable thing when we're

450
00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:40,520
Speaker 1: talking about a combat pistol or a law enforcement pistol,

451
00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:43,120
Speaker 1: where you know, if you're using your side arm, you're

452
00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:45,800
Speaker 1: already in kind of a tight spot, at least in

453
00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:49,639
Speaker 1: the conventional forces, which my experiences were. You know, a

454
00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:52,600
Speaker 1: lot of junior Marines weren't even issued side arms, you know,

455
00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:55,600
Speaker 1: and if you were issued one, it was secondary to

456
00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:59,080
Speaker 1: your primary weapons system, right, is more useful than a

457
00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:02,280
Speaker 1: side arm for an in entry soldier, absolutely, you know,

458
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:04,959
Speaker 1: So when you're talking about a side arm that you're

459
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:06,960
Speaker 1: going to use in a combat environment, you have to

460
00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:10,320
Speaker 1: assume that it's in a tough situation, which very feasibly

461
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:14,680
Speaker 1: could include grappling with an opponent. You know, firearm retention

462
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:16,240
Speaker 1: is one of the most important things that they teach

463
00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:18,760
Speaker 1: you in the Marine Corps when they issue you a sidearm, right,

464
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:20,680
Speaker 1: because the last thing you honest for someone to take

465
00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:22,480
Speaker 1: it from you and use it on you. That's the

466
00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:24,800
Speaker 1: reason why when you carry pepper spray, you need to

467
00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:28,199
Speaker 1: be pepper spray to qualify, because the assumption is if

468
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:30,479
Speaker 1: someone gets this from you, they're going to use it

469
00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:33,040
Speaker 1: on you. And so if you have a weapon that

470
00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:35,800
Speaker 1: if it falls out of your hand or is knocked

471
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:38,720
Speaker 1: out of your hand, it's gonna go off. That is

472
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:42,920
Speaker 1: absolutely unacceptable. Now SIG has, of course since then, uh

473
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:46,320
Speaker 1: you know, repaired their their weapon and they've offered to

474
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:48,800
Speaker 1: let you send your civilian P three twenties and to

475
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:52,119
Speaker 1: be repaired in the same way at no charge. But

476
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:55,200
Speaker 1: when it happened, it was a huge, huge deal because

477
00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:57,800
Speaker 1: it was such an uncommon thing and a lot of

478
00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:00,240
Speaker 1: outlets didn't pick it up. It was like individual you know,

479
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:04,200
Speaker 1: independent bloggers who first started running the story and then

480
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:07,080
Speaker 1: it got picked up later. You weren't seeing gear review

481
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:09,639
Speaker 1: websites say yeah, man, when we threw this pistol on

482
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:12,240
Speaker 1: the ground, it went off because most gear review websites

483
00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:14,439
Speaker 1: aren't allowed to take this brand new pistol from him

484
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:17,040
Speaker 1: and throw it on the ground, you know. So, Uh,

485
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:20,640
Speaker 1: you're absolutely right. Those are the types of things that uh,

486
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:23,200
Speaker 1: these guys are used to being dealt with with kids gloves.

487
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:26,120
Speaker 1: Unfortunate that all the gear reviews I've been doing so far,

488
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:28,240
Speaker 1: I've all been for kind of simpler things, you know,

489
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:31,600
Speaker 1: this pocket knife. I'm I make my own knives, so

490
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:33,639
Speaker 1: I tend to be kind of a nitpicker when it

491
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:36,560
Speaker 1: comes to knives. But at the end of the day,

492
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:39,320
Speaker 1: it does pay to remind some people that a knife

493
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:42,520
Speaker 1: is ultimately just a sharp piece of metal, you know.

494
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:45,600
Speaker 1: And when you're that guy on the internet who says

495
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Speaker 1: it's not worth carrying something unless it costs a thousand

496
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:51,359
Speaker 1: dollars or it's all junk, unless it's the thing that

497
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:53,639
Speaker 1: I have, it pays to remember every once in a

498
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 1: while that, like, you know, a pocket knife is a

499
00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:58,639
Speaker 1: pocket knife. It's a tool for a specific use and

500
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:01,040
Speaker 1: if you're gonna use it as a makeshift Phillips had

501
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:03,440
Speaker 1: screwdriver because it's just in your pocket and you don't

502
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 1: have a screwdriver to screw in your license plate. That's

503
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:08,400
Speaker 1: a different kind of pocket knife than the thousand dollar

504
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:10,560
Speaker 1: one this guy thinks is all you need to field

505
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 1: clean a buck. I got like, uh, this is like

506
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:15,199
Speaker 1: advice from the streets. I guess that could be a

507
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 1: whole segment right there. But I had this guy tell

508
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 1: me one time. He's like, why are you going to

509
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 1: carry a thousand dollar knife? He's like, if you have

510
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 1: to dab somebody up, you're like gonna throw that thing

511
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:26,320
Speaker 1: into the sewers and walk away. Like you don't want

512
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 1: to be caught with that thing after you have the

513
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:31,320
Speaker 1: ship out of somebody. Absolutely, you know, especially you want

514
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:33,760
Speaker 1: to care. I love it. My favorite thing that I

515
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:37,680
Speaker 1: find online all the time are sincere seeming gear reviews

516
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 1: of ridiculous dragon knives that you know that are like,

517
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:43,960
Speaker 1: you know, just in case you ever end up fighting

518
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:48,040
Speaker 1: Conan the Barbarian, this this piece of hardware, It's really

519
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 1: gonna do it for you. I like simple and functional gear.

520
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 1: I like stuff that my wife isn't gonna yell at

521
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:56,920
Speaker 1: me for buying, you know, And that's the approach I've

522
00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:58,720
Speaker 1: tried to take to the load out room. We definitely

523
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:01,879
Speaker 1: have some contributors, uh you know that that are big

524
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 1: gear collectors, you know what I mean. They don't mind

525
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,679
Speaker 1: spending a thousand dollars on just optics for the rifle

526
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 1: because this is their life and it's their passion and

527
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 1: I respect and admire that. For my purposes, that's not feasible, right,

528
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 1: So what I want to tell you is what can

529
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 1: you actually use that isn't going to cost you more

530
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 1: than your car? You know? And sometimes it's tough, you know,

531
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:26,359
Speaker 1: but it's it's a unique challenge compared to what I've

532
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 1: been dealing before with over at news rep and stuff

533
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 1: like that. So I've been having a good time with it. Cool, No,

534
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:34,160
Speaker 1: I'm glad man. Uh there's another like, had I known,

535
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 1: you know, we kind of booked you at the last minute,

536
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 1: but had we had I put some more thought into

537
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:41,880
Speaker 1: this beforehand, I would have prepped and we could have

538
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 1: done our epic uh you know, superhero episode that we're

539
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:49,240
Speaker 1: still going to have to do sometime. But I have

540
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 1: to go back because I remember I wanted to talk

541
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 1: to you about the Batman Versus Superman movie, but I

542
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 1: gotta go back and watch it again and take some notes. Actually,

543
00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 1: I'll do it too, because I you and I have

544
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:00,640
Speaker 1: talked about this before. In grad school. I actually wrote

545
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 1: a thesis paper about how Batman and Superman and the

546
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 1: way we we see them in our cultural lexicon reflects

547
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 1: how we see ourselves as a nation, and one of

548
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 1: these days we'll have to talk about it. But honestly,

549
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 1: me and you're probably one of the only guys that

550
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 1: I feel like I need to brush up a bit

551
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 1: to talk comic bookshop. So so I'm yeah, we'll have

552
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 1: to plan ahead for that one, so I could do

553
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 1: some some advanced reading. Yeah, yeah, that that movie specifically

554
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 1: has a lot of stuff in it about regarding exactly that,

555
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 1: because Batman and Superman each represents something different, you know,

556
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 1: one one is presented as like a living God or

557
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 1: a living Jesus, and the other is like the the antithesis.

558
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:44,479
Speaker 1: He's like the the atheist model. Um that the world

559
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 1: is is harsh and cruel, you know, you know, and

560
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 1: we have a bad habit in America of discrediting our

561
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 1: popular culture as silly, you know. I mean, popular culture

562
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 1: has always been a hugely important part of what culture is.

563
00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 1: You know, we look back at like Greek mythology. Greek

564
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 1: mythology was pop culture at the time. You know. Now

565
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 1: through the lens of time, we look back at these

566
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 1: as epic tales, but at the time it was popular culture.

567
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 1: You know, we are, at the end of the day,

568
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:16,479
Speaker 1: a product of the culture that we consume because it's

569
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:19,239
Speaker 1: the only way we understand the world a little bit

570
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 1: further away than our line of site, right, yeah, yeah, no,

571
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 1: I'm glad you brought that up, because you know, foreign

572
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 1: cultures they have these things like, um, like in Europe

573
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:30,840
Speaker 1: there's like knights and shining armor in uh, in Asia

574
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 1: you have like these uh what is that genre Wuxia

575
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 1: where it's like shaolin monks and you have samurai's and

576
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 1: ninja's and all this kind of stuff. But in America

577
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 1: are the our our version of that as superheroes, absolutely,

578
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:46,720
Speaker 1: you know, and when you think about it, even a

579
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:50,719
Speaker 1: lot of those cultures have been informed by pop culture

580
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 1: interpretations of their own culture. You know. Uh, the Mafia

581
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 1: is a contemporary American example where prior to the Godfather,

582
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:01,680
Speaker 1: the mafia didn't operate very much like they did in

583
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 1: the movies like the Godfather movies. Yeah, or dressed like it.

584
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 1: But people watching those movies who were involved in organized

585
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 1: crime really liked the romanticized version of the mafia that

586
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 1: they were being depicted as and adopted it. You know,

587
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 1: I think this is about law enforcement all the time.

588
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 1: You know, you're silly, You're crazy if you think that

589
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:27,479
Speaker 1: Americans who grow up in America consuming American pop culture

590
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 1: and then go on to become law enforcement officers, if

591
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:32,480
Speaker 1: their idea of what it is to be a cop

592
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 1: hasn't been informed by the twenty past years of watching

593
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 1: cop drama, TV shows and movies, that's why they talk

594
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 1: the same way they do with movies. It's not because

595
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 1: you're trained to talk like a police officer in a movie.

596
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 1: It's because that's how you grew up believing police officers talk.

597
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 1: Pop culture really does shape the world around us. But

598
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 1: when it's silly things, you know, like superheroes or upos

599
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 1: like we were talking about, you know, offline before, When

600
00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 1: you're when it's things that we like to discredit as sally,

601
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 1: it's really easy to say that it doesn't actually matter

602
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 1: Kim Kardashian doesn't actually matter, and in truth it really does.

603
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 1: You know. It's like it's it's what's creating the boundaries

604
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 1: of our understanding of how we live. Yeah, I mean,

605
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 1: I think, like especially our sense of morality is like

606
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 1: very superficial because it's crafted by these like video games

607
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 1: and movies where it's like very clear cut good and evil,

608
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 1: like it's black and white, like the our our social

609
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 1: narratives like don't leave any room in between, like we

610
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 1: don't like those in between sorts of areas um or

611
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 1: absolutely right, man, I saw a meme today on my

612
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 1: Facebook news speed that really pissed me off. That was basically,

613
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 1: you know, an American saying, you know, we spy on people,

614
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 1: and then Russia saying, well, we spy on people too,

615
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 1: and Americans being angry. That's such an elementary school boiling

616
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 1: down of geopolitics when good and bad are a matter

617
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 1: of perspective. You know, it's really difficult for some people,

618
00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:00,719
Speaker 1: when exploring foreign policy to understand that from the standpoint

619
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 1: of a Russian soldier, we are the bad guys. Objectively

620
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 1: to him, we are the bad guys. He's not necessarily

621
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 1: a bad guy. You might work for a regime that

622
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 1: that doesn't have goals that are, like, you know, in

623
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 1: fitting with our own right. And he has a hell

624
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 1: of a lot more in common with the American with

625
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 1: a American soldier than he does with his own politicians.

626
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 1: As absolutely you know. Now in order to fight that war,

627
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 1: you still need to fight that soldier, absolutely, you know.

628
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 1: But this is the reason why most of the times

629
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 1: when you talk to guys who have seen a lot

630
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 1: of real heavy combat experience, guys like you Jack, you

631
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 1: tend not to say that you hated the people that

632
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 1: you were fighting. It's much more that you were doing

633
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:45,320
Speaker 1: your job. You were accomplishing objectives. Very rarely was it

634
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 1: like a deep seated, you know, loathing for your opponent.

635
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 1: What it is is it's getting the job done for

636
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 1: your country instead for the guys that you're fighting alongside.

637
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 1: And that's also why we dehumanize the enemy and we

638
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 1: call him crowds and aji and things like that. You

639
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 1: have to statistically speaking, in most first engagements, guys have

640
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 1: a lot of trouble actually shooting at the enemy. Usually

641
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Speaker 1: you shoot in the direction of the enemy, but you

642
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Speaker 1: don't shoot directly at the enemy until you have no

643
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:16,279
Speaker 1: choice for that reason, for the same reason why it's hard.

644
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Speaker 1: You know, I spent a long time as a martial

645
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 1: arts instructor. One of the hardest things for me to

646
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Speaker 1: get someone to do is actually punch someone in the face.

647
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:26,360
Speaker 1: I know it sounds crazy, but like, you have this

648
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 1: natural instinct because we grow up in a civilized society,

649
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 1: in a culture where we tell you never to hurt others,

650
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:34,799
Speaker 1: you know, every day of your life, as you as

651
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 1: you age, as you mature. It depends. It depends on

652
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Speaker 1: the person. Though, to Alex, like, I remember, I mean

653
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:43,799
Speaker 1: I've you know, training with Jim West. I mean he

654
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 1: actually said, he's like, I thought you'd be a bit

655
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Speaker 1: more like reserved. He's like, actually, seems like you really

656
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:51,279
Speaker 1: want to punch somebody in the face. And but then

657
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 1: he also we did a training video one time and

658
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Speaker 1: he brought in this um, this young woman um because

659
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 1: it was like a woman's self defense segment. So like

660
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 1: the thing was like she had to hit me and

661
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,360
Speaker 1: defend against me, right, and she was like super, she

662
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:07,239
Speaker 1: did not want to hit me at all. Maybe it's

663
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Speaker 1: because I'm such a nice guy, but well it's partially

664
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Speaker 1: because you're a nice guy. It's also partially because she

665
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,799
Speaker 1: doesn't know you, and she doesn't she's not scared, like

666
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 1: the adrenaline is not flowing. I got into training people

667
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 1: because my brother had an employee who's a young woman

668
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 1: who got raped at a party and uh, and she

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Speaker 1: was having a lot of trouble with her self confidence

670
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 1: just in general, feeling as though she could leave her house,

671
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 1: you know. And uh, my brother asked me if I

672
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Speaker 1: would just you know, work with her a little bit

673
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 1: on self defense techniques and showing her some of the

674
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Speaker 1: things that I knew, not really with the intent necessarily

675
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:44,840
Speaker 1: of her fending off a future rapists, so much as

676
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Speaker 1: trying to give her a sense of empowerment where she

677
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 1: could feel like she's a capable person who really could

678
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Speaker 1: defend herself or get away or do something if she

679
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:56,239
Speaker 1: needed to. And uh, that was and that was the

680
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:58,239
Speaker 1: hardest part for her too. I mean, this is someone

681
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Speaker 1: who's already been victimized. You think that they'd have a

682
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 1: lot of rage inside them, but it's still really hard

683
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 1: to turn off that switch for a lot of people.

684
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:09,839
Speaker 1: Some people are natural warriors, you know what I mean.

685
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 1: But for for a lot of people, it's hard to

686
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:15,280
Speaker 1: turn off those safety switches and start swinging for the fences,

687
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 1: you know. And so if it's that hard for people

688
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:21,720
Speaker 1: to throw a punch in a controlled setting, just imagine

689
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Speaker 1: how hard it is for those of you who haven't

690
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 1: served in the military, or maybe you did but didn't

691
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 1: see combat. Just imagine how hard it must be to

692
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Speaker 1: pull the trigger that first time when in your head

693
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:35,239
Speaker 1: you can't help but wonder if maybe you don't need to. Well,

694
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Speaker 1: you know, you're hitting upon like some social dynamics that

695
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:41,800
Speaker 1: play into our national politics and and how we regard

696
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Speaker 1: things like gun control. So the people who are more

697
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:50,360
Speaker 1: shall we say educated, sophisticated urban nights, I mean they

698
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 1: they you know, well dressed men and women, They speak

699
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 1: a certain language, and they have this idea of, like

700
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:58,839
Speaker 1: everyone should have their guns taken away so we can

701
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Speaker 1: keep everyone safe, where as there's other cultures and other

702
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 1: parts of America where it's like, look like, there are

703
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:08,839
Speaker 1: bad people in the world, and you know, we have

704
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Speaker 1: to accept that and acknowledge that reality. I guess it's

705
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Speaker 1: it's sort of like the idea of like we need

706
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:17,920
Speaker 1: to protect everybody versus we need to understand we live

707
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:21,400
Speaker 1: in a violent world and adapt to that, you know,

708
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:23,759
Speaker 1: And and I think it's fair to say, despite the

709
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 1: fact that I'm clearly a pretty big two way guy,

710
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 1: that there's truth to both sides of the argument, you

711
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:32,319
Speaker 1: know what I mean, there's there's good intentions to both

712
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 1: sides of the argument. But what it ultimately comes down

713
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Speaker 1: to is the rules that make perfect sense in Manhattan

714
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 1: don't make perfect sense in Montana, you know well. And

715
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Speaker 1: even beyond that, I mean, even if you are in Manhattan,

716
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 1: I mean, like, we can't keep pretending these things don't happen,

717
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 1: like these gun free zones, Like it doesn't. It just

718
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 1: doesn't work. And it's yeah, it's born out of the

719
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:56,840
Speaker 1: idealism of being protected, right like I I you know,

720
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Speaker 1: it's an old trope. But I had a buddy I

721
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:00,719
Speaker 1: was in the Marine Corps with. He was corporal when

722
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Speaker 1: I got out, but he had never bought a car before, right,

723
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Speaker 1: And so he asked me if I would come with him.

724
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Speaker 1: I think he was a lance corporal at the time,

725
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Speaker 1: to go try to buy a car. No, he was

726
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:13,800
Speaker 1: he idential identified already at the time we're talking two

727
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 1: he already politically identified as a socialist, which I thought

728
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Speaker 1: wasn't in keeping with serving in the Marine Corps. We

729
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:22,840
Speaker 1: debated this a lot of times, but honestly, he was

730
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 1: a good marine. He was a good marine. Who's just

731
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:26,759
Speaker 1: his politics didn't vibe with mine. But he's a good guy.

732
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Speaker 1: But over time I came to learn as we went

733
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Speaker 1: to go buy his first car and they wouldn't give

734
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Speaker 1: him alone because he had never had credit. So he

735
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Speaker 1: called his dad to ask his dad to co sign,

736
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Speaker 1: and his dad was like, well, how much is the car?

737
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Speaker 1: And he said, oh, it's ten thousand dollars And his

738
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Speaker 1: dad said, just let me talk to him. I'll pay

739
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 1: for it. And I found out his dad was a

740
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 1: fiercely conservative, very well off lawyer in New York City

741
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 1: who and it was because of that. I really do

742
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 1: think that his son grew up in a safe and

743
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:58,880
Speaker 1: comfortable enough environment to adopt this idea that the government

744
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:01,719
Speaker 1: can solve all of our poems, that socialism can do it.

745
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:06,760
Speaker 1: You know, I don't think like Alexandria Okario Cortes Ocasio Cortes.

746
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 1: I don't think that she's a bad person. I think

747
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:12,880
Speaker 1: that she's naive. Yeah, you know, uh, And it's this

748
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 1: naivety comes from how safe this country is, what like

749
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:21,840
Speaker 1: they're in an overwhelmingly safe nation but statistically not for everyone.

750
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 1: And that plays into again, I mean so many other things, like, um,

751
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:30,279
Speaker 1: why we're susceptible to Russian disinformation operations, It's because we're

752
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 1: so fucking naive in this country. It's unbelievably naive. Not

753
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:38,360
Speaker 1: just naive, but aggressively naive. Like we're not only naive,

754
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 1: but we defend it and argue that we aren't. You know,

755
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 1: we're all the best informed person ever, right, And like

756
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 1: in my portly formed stance on this that I developed

757
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 1: because I saw three memes that I really thought were funny,

758
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 1: I will defend it to the last breath with capital

759
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 1: letters on Facebook. And it's absolutely just like you were

760
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 1: saying before. We want everything to fall neatly into a

761
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:04,959
Speaker 1: black or white category, a good or bad category, and

762
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:09,279
Speaker 1: everything about the world we live in is gray. You know.

763
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 1: Operations are inherently evil. Killing people is bad, right, It's

764
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 1: still a necessity, it is a reality of this world.

765
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:22,839
Speaker 1: Same with espionage. So when we say we spy on people,

766
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 1: so does Russia, So we should give Russia a pass.

767
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 1: You're missing the point. The point is that there's a

768
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:32,400
Speaker 1: finite amount of space. There's a finite amount of resources,

769
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 1: and if only one family gets to eat today, it's

770
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 1: going to be mine, you know. And that's literally the

771
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 1: struggle that the world is playing geo poetically at all times,

772
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 1: right because on a long enough timeline, everything does run out.

773
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 1: And we're not just talking about like things that you

774
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:50,239
Speaker 1: can hold in your hand, but we're talking about diplomatic

775
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 1: and economic influence things like that. Uh, having being the

776
00:40:56,200 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 1: sole economic superpower in the country is mutually elusive to

777
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:04,279
Speaker 1: China also being an economic superpower. That's the reason why

778
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 1: we have tensions with them, aside from the fact that

779
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 1: they're kind of bad guys, you know, objectively from our standpoint,

780
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 1: not from there, yea. And it's a it's a sidebar,

781
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 1: I guess to some extent, but I mean there there's

782
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 1: there is something to be said that, like here in

783
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:20,720
Speaker 1: New York you have it's the you see these people,

784
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 1: you meet, these people, they're they're the epitome of the

785
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:27,760
Speaker 1: limousine liberal or the champagne socialist that like their entire

786
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:30,839
Speaker 1: lives are waking up in the morning and cashing in

787
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 1: like they have trust funds. They wake up, they cash

788
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 1: in every day. They're cashing in, and they have no

789
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 1: idea what it's like for normal Americans, um to uh

790
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 1: have to worry about how they're going to pay their bills,

791
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:47,800
Speaker 1: and to them, resources seem so plentiful that why wouldn't

792
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:49,839
Speaker 1: there be enough to go around? Look how much I have,

793
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:52,720
Speaker 1: right exactly, And then they want to like turn around

794
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 1: and scold the rest of us on our values and

795
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:58,440
Speaker 1: talk about like, oh, you're you're you have white privilege

796
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 1: or male privilege or whatever the it is. It's like, motherfuck,

797
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:03,719
Speaker 1: are you the most privileged person in the world. How

798
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 1: are you talking to me about privilege? I have I

799
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:10,279
Speaker 1: get into this argument fairly because people make I would

800
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:13,239
Speaker 1: argue probably some wrong assumptions about me because I'm a

801
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 1: writer and I have a master's degree, and I you know,

802
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 1: I write for Popular Mechanics about technology. I grew up

803
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:21,920
Speaker 1: in a trailer park. Man, you know, I are you

804
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 1: and I talked about this before. My next door neighbor

805
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:26,440
Speaker 1: until I moved recently, was a welder named Grizzly who

806
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:28,879
Speaker 1: builds hot rods in a shack. You know, I live

807
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:31,719
Speaker 1: out in the middle of the woods. Because I I

808
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:33,719
Speaker 1: may have gone to school for a long time and

809
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:35,920
Speaker 1: I may write for a living, but I get along

810
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:38,799
Speaker 1: better with blue collar guys that kind of have a

811
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:43,359
Speaker 1: smaller worldview. Their concern is their lives, not making sure

812
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:46,279
Speaker 1: that legislation gets passed to adjust how people are living

813
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 1: in Utah, or like some sort of like hyper morality

814
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:54,759
Speaker 1: world word policing other people exactly. You know, you'll you'll

815
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 1: find espect. I was surprised when I moved to Georgia

816
00:42:57,160 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 1: from Boston. I thought I was going to move into

817
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 1: the moonshiners, which to an extent, you know what kind

818
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:04,400
Speaker 1: of is. Uh. But these guys aren't worried about what

819
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 1: you're doing. You know, even when you see that guy

820
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 1: with a Confederate flag on his truck, he the Confederate

821
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:12,280
Speaker 1: flags for him, not for you. You know, he doesn't

822
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:15,160
Speaker 1: care about you and your political beliefs. He expects you

823
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:17,319
Speaker 1: to have different political beliefs, and he expects you not

824
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 1: to talk about him with him, you know. Uh. The

825
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 1: idea that we all need to be involved with what

826
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:30,319
Speaker 1: everybody's doing is just blows my mind. I don't want

827
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 1: to be in your fucking underwear draw Like, that's not

828
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 1: a place I want to be see And to me,

829
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:37,279
Speaker 1: that's what classic conservatism was supposed to be, you know.

830
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 1: I thought that it was supposed to be leave me alone.

831
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 1: You know. I grew up in a conservative household, and

832
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 1: the idea always was that the government, the less ideal

833
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 1: with the government, the better. I'd rather not talk to him,

834
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 1: I'd rather not deal with him. I got to go

835
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 1: to the d m V every once in a while,

836
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:54,240
Speaker 1: you know. And uh, I do think to a certain extent,

837
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:57,400
Speaker 1: we've lost that a bit because both parties are primarily

838
00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 1: concerned with victory, not necessarily with adhering to their ideals anymore.

839
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:05,279
Speaker 1: Maybe that's just my stance, but more and more it

840
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:08,760
Speaker 1: seems like both parties are happy to have bigger, more government,

841
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 1: more government, bigger government, provided it's within the realms of

842
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 1: their specific interests. I mean, there is no small government

843
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 1: party that that. What if that did exist, it's been

844
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 1: dead for decades now, I agree, you know. And all

845
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 1: I want is a mountain to call my own and

846
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:30,719
Speaker 1: enoughfense to put around it, you know. But for now

847
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:32,239
Speaker 1: I live in an HL way, though, which is the

848
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:34,439
Speaker 1: polar opposite, which might be why I've got pretty strong

849
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 1: opinions about this. I do not like living in an

850
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:39,960
Speaker 1: H way I walk out into my front yard, I

851
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 1: can see into three people's homes. Libertarian trash. You know,

852
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 1: it's awful. You just want to have a compound in

853
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 1: the mountains so you can be a white supremacist and

854
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 1: uh and have five wives. Right. I'll be honest. I've

855
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 1: got one wife, and as you know, I'm exhausted. I

856
00:44:56,239 --> 00:45:00,879
Speaker 1: don't think I couldn't. I couldn't pull off five. In fact,

857
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:03,880
Speaker 1: of my best friends of Dominican guy uh would make

858
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:05,839
Speaker 1: it tough for me to pull off the white supremacist thing.

859
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 1: But I'll sell them on it slowly. I guess. Have

860
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:12,760
Speaker 1: have you ever been to a country where they practice polygamy? Uh?

861
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:15,239
Speaker 1: You know, I'm I guess I'm not sure. I've been

862
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 1: to a lot of different countries, but for the most part,

863
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:19,239
Speaker 1: if I was there for work, I was out in

864
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:22,239
Speaker 1: the middle of nowhere and only interacting with local military.

865
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 1: And if I was there personally, I was in touristy

866
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 1: places where they wouldn't tell you anyway. When uh, when

867
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:31,800
Speaker 1: I was in Iraq, I mean, it's an Islamic culture,

868
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 1: but the reality for people is so in Islam you

869
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:37,759
Speaker 1: can have multiple wives, but the thing is you have

870
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:40,719
Speaker 1: to accommodate them all in the same lifestyle. You can't

871
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:43,399
Speaker 1: have one that's like living like a balla ass life

872
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:45,640
Speaker 1: style and the others like living like trash. Like you

873
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:47,440
Speaker 1: have to imagine, it's a lot like that. In Turkey,

874
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 1: you have to Yeah, you have to support them at

875
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:52,839
Speaker 1: the same level. So because most Iraqis are poor, they

876
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:55,400
Speaker 1: can't afford to have two wives, Like, it's just not feasible.

877
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 1: When I was in a Senegal um, I did meet

878
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 1: people who had more the bole wives, and the stories

879
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:07,440
Speaker 1: were fucking insane, just like totally insane drama because all

880
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 1: the wives are competing with one another for attention and

881
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 1: resources from the husband, and it just turns into like

882
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 1: a total disaster. At least that's what that's what it

883
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 1: sounded like to may Well. I mean, just imagine, like,

884
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 1: just imagine the logistics, even if your wife was cool

885
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 1: with it, of bringing another wife that you saw as

886
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:29,320
Speaker 1: a peer, the way that you do see your wife

887
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:31,839
Speaker 1: into the household, and all of a sudden, there's three

888
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 1: votes you know what you're gonna have for dinner tonight.

889
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:35,719
Speaker 1: We write about what we're gonna have for dinner every

890
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 1: day because I don't care. She doesn't care. Well, we

891
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:41,880
Speaker 1: have to figure it out. The situation that was described

892
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:43,959
Speaker 1: to me like that. So this one guy was telling

893
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 1: me about it. He was saying, how each wife has

894
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 1: their own house, so he will spend like two days

895
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:53,719
Speaker 1: with one wife two days with the other wife. Do

896
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:55,400
Speaker 1: you have to own the house, because then I wouldn't

897
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:59,759
Speaker 1: even rate one. I think so, um, and and and

898
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:01,919
Speaker 1: so and so. One of the things I was hearing

899
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:04,920
Speaker 1: about like these arrangements is that what will happen is

900
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 1: a husband will go to visit the wife and she

901
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:12,279
Speaker 1: will actually drug his food, so so he passes out

902
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:15,359
Speaker 1: and is sick and whatever. So she gets him for

903
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:18,280
Speaker 1: a whole additional day taking care of him because he's sick.

904
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 1: And now she's depriving the husband of another wife. So

905
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:27,920
Speaker 1: she's fucking furious, and like yeah, it's it's like, uh,

906
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:32,120
Speaker 1: you know, like a soap opera on steroids. You know

907
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:34,800
Speaker 1: this This really gets down to the my fundamental belief

908
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 1: about me, unkind, which is I don't like any of it.

909
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:42,320
Speaker 1: Oh dude, you would love. I read this book, Thomas

910
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 1: the GotY. I wrote this book called The Conspiracy against

911
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:49,719
Speaker 1: the Human Race, and I just read it was in

912
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 1: London the other day. And uh, the book is essentially

913
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:57,799
Speaker 1: it's a it's a treatise on existential nihilism. And the

914
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 1: guy's thesis is that human conscious this was a mistake

915
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:04,279
Speaker 1: that we never should have happened. We never should have

916
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 1: become self aware, and that we did is this huge

917
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:13,440
Speaker 1: cosmic joke, this fucking mistake that we think we're something special,

918
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:17,800
Speaker 1: and uh, and when we're not. And and basically, I mean, honestly,

919
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:21,120
Speaker 1: I mean, we started off this podcast, uh talking about

920
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 1: the dangers of suicide and mental health. But if you

921
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:27,239
Speaker 1: read this book, it's essentially making the case for suicide.

922
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:30,759
Speaker 1: It's saying your life is completely fucking pointless. Well, you know,

923
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 1: there's another concept, Like we're getting into the weeds with

924
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:36,840
Speaker 1: this now, but there's another concept that's similar that basically

925
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 1: contends that you your consciousness is actually an illusion. It's

926
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:43,640
Speaker 1: a manifestation of your brain to justify the way that

927
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:46,760
Speaker 1: you're that you live, that we that we are simulations

928
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 1: of a human being. Well, well, the idea that it's

929
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:52,480
Speaker 1: your consciousness is an illusion. This is kind of different

930
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 1: than that brain in the jar, but similar. But their

931
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:57,920
Speaker 1: idea basically is that the human brain is it's just

932
00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 1: a calculator. It's a very powerful calculator. And everything that

933
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:05,440
Speaker 1: has led up to right now is has informed already

934
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 1: what I'm going to say and why I'm going to

935
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:10,360
Speaker 1: say it. So I'm not actually choosing my words or

936
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:13,600
Speaker 1: my points right now so much as they're a byproduct

937
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:17,840
Speaker 1: of the summation of my experiences to this point. Right. So,

938
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:20,600
Speaker 1: so even though in my head, you know, I tell

939
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:22,919
Speaker 1: myself that I'm choosing my words or that I'm gonna

940
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:25,960
Speaker 1: pick a ham sandwich for lunch today, the truth of

941
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 1: the matter is is that it's actually just you know,

942
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:29,920
Speaker 1: the sum of an equation of you know, it's a

943
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:32,759
Speaker 1: math problem, right that the human brain and the human

944
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 1: consciousness is systems on top of systems exactly, and our

945
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:39,960
Speaker 1: idea that we're making decisions is actually just a way

946
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:43,400
Speaker 1: that we fool ourselves into being okay with our existence

947
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:46,280
Speaker 1: because that consciousness, like you're saying, it was a mistake,

948
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:49,399
Speaker 1: it's a byproduct that we don't actually need to survive. Yeah,

949
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:53,640
Speaker 1: I agree with um. The first half of the book maybe,

950
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:57,600
Speaker 1: Um that human consciousness is that if you go digging

951
00:49:57,600 --> 00:50:00,879
Speaker 1: into these systems, there's really nothing there, Like they're there

952
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:02,600
Speaker 1: you're not going to find a soul, You're not going

953
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:06,560
Speaker 1: to find God. Um, it's a biological construct. Um. But

954
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:10,640
Speaker 1: I disagree with the other thesis that consciousness is a mistake.

955
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:14,640
Speaker 1: I mean, that seems like an incredible, incredibly arrogant thing

956
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:17,480
Speaker 1: to say. It's like how people say that, like the

957
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:20,759
Speaker 1: like the the argument made in the Matrix that mankind

958
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 1: is a disease or a virus, that we live in

959
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:25,719
Speaker 1: these cities and we have these technologies and we we

960
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:28,520
Speaker 1: have broken the equilibrium of the natural world, And I

961
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:32,360
Speaker 1: think that's bullshit. There's no reason to believe, as I

962
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:35,000
Speaker 1: was saying earlier, we're a tool using species. Were quite

963
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:37,880
Speaker 1: clearly designed to be a tool using species. With our hands,

964
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:40,360
Speaker 1: where our eyes are located, the size of our brains,

965
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:43,600
Speaker 1: the fact that we walk up right, we're obviously designed

966
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:48,319
Speaker 1: to use technology. And these technologies and these civilizations we

967
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:51,960
Speaker 1: build are like a natural outgrowth of our evolution, and

968
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:54,080
Speaker 1: I do think they're natural. So I think that to

969
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:57,480
Speaker 1: say consciousness is a mistake, or that that that human

970
00:50:57,520 --> 00:51:00,520
Speaker 1: beings are some sort of a mistake, I think that's bullshit. Well,

971
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:02,759
Speaker 1: I think that it's important to note that when we're

972
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:05,880
Speaker 1: talking about how evil human beings are for the world

973
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:07,560
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. Again, it gets back to that

974
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 1: idea of good or bad when we when we watch

975
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:13,080
Speaker 1: chimpanzees use sticks, you know, they spit on the stick

976
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 1: and then stick the stick into a termite nest, pull

977
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:18,560
Speaker 1: the stick back out, covering and termites and eat them. Eventually,

978
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:21,080
Speaker 1: a group of chimpanzees will eat all of the termites

979
00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:24,600
Speaker 1: in that nest and eliminate that termite nest. We don't

980
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 1: see that as a plague on the termite species. We

981
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:31,240
Speaker 1: see that as chimpanzees is a part of the natural

982
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:35,279
Speaker 1: order using the tools at their disposal to survive. Yes,

983
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:37,920
Speaker 1: the humans are doing it's a cultural thing because we

984
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:39,960
Speaker 1: kill people and then we feel guilty about it, so

985
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:42,400
Speaker 1: then we create a narrative to backstop it. We we

986
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:46,800
Speaker 1: like put that person in heaven or or the dehumanization

987
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:49,479
Speaker 1: or whatever that we're talking about before there you'll find,

988
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:51,480
Speaker 1: like now in the United States, you'll find a mix

989
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:53,279
Speaker 1: of both. You'll find a lot of people do that

990
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:55,680
Speaker 1: and a lot of people hold the United States to

991
00:51:55,719 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 1: an impossible standard because we're supposed to be the good guy. Yeah,

992
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:02,960
Speaker 1: you say, well, I mean that gets into like how

993
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:07,360
Speaker 1: ridiculous and illegitimate. Uh. You know, war becomes over a

994
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:09,480
Speaker 1: given period of time that you have to create more

995
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:12,919
Speaker 1: and more stories to legitimize it the deeper you get

996
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:15,160
Speaker 1: into it. You nailed it in a story you did

997
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:17,040
Speaker 1: for News rep not that long ago, where you're talking

998
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:19,839
Speaker 1: about the drums of war are beating for Iran. Yeah,

999
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:23,440
Speaker 1: it's absolutely true because you know, we live in a democracy.

1000
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:26,640
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a representative government, you know, it's a republic.

1001
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:30,880
Speaker 1: But ultimately, if the public does not support a war effort,

1002
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:33,640
Speaker 1: that war effort is not going to be successful. You know,

1003
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:36,480
Speaker 1: we saw it in Vietnam. We've seen it to a

1004
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:38,799
Speaker 1: large extent. I would argue in the modern global War

1005
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:44,200
Speaker 1: on Terror, where we're we're always balancing our idea of

1006
00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:46,239
Speaker 1: what this war is supposed to be in a pop

1007
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:51,440
Speaker 1: culture concept versus what war genuinely has to be in

1008
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:53,880
Speaker 1: order to win, you know, and what we're seeing. We

1009
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:56,040
Speaker 1: saw it with North Korea last year, we're seeing it

1010
00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:59,440
Speaker 1: with Iran now. Uh, we have to convince the general

1011
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:02,960
Speaker 1: public that they're bad guys for the general public to

1012
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:04,800
Speaker 1: accept that we're going to go there. It's the reason

1013
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:07,920
Speaker 1: why you know, in the first Persian Gulf War and

1014
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:12,239
Speaker 1: incubator babies exactly, they incubated babies being killed, which was

1015
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:16,319
Speaker 1: actually you know, a PR firm was hired to sell

1016
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:19,279
Speaker 1: the American people this idea, and it really did and

1017
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:21,680
Speaker 1: it was successful. It led to us having a very

1018
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:25,759
Speaker 1: successful campaign in Iraq. I'm not necessarily, I'm not. And

1019
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:27,799
Speaker 1: this is where it gets dangerous though, you know, saying

1020
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:29,640
Speaker 1: the same way. It gets dangerous when I talk about

1021
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:33,399
Speaker 1: meddling in the two thousand and sixteen presidential election. It's

1022
00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:36,359
Speaker 1: important that we realized that just because I'm saying that

1023
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:39,840
Speaker 1: the reasons we went into a war, uh, the reasons

1024
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:41,759
Speaker 1: we told the American people we went into a war,

1025
00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:45,000
Speaker 1: those may not have been factually accurate. You may have

1026
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:47,279
Speaker 1: been lied to. That's not the same thing as saying

1027
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:49,320
Speaker 1: that we shouldn't have been involved in the first place.

1028
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:51,240
Speaker 1: It's not the same thing as saying that we should

1029
00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:53,160
Speaker 1: have been involved. You need to look at these things

1030
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:55,920
Speaker 1: from more of a macro perspective. Well, yeah, I think

1031
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 1: like Iraq specifically a two thousand and three invasion. I mean, yeah,

1032
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 1: we so the government on WM or I'm sorry, the

1033
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:04,120
Speaker 1: government sold us on w M d S and Iraq

1034
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:06,120
Speaker 1: and all that. But I mean the real reason was

1035
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:08,440
Speaker 1: the whole concept of Serania that we were going to

1036
00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:11,759
Speaker 1: redraw the map of the Middle East, you know. And

1037
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:14,560
Speaker 1: this is exactly what I mean. The American people, by

1038
00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:17,080
Speaker 1: and large, that's a that's a foreign concept to them.

1039
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:24,080
Speaker 1: It's a foreign concept that exactly. You know. However, if

1040
00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:26,319
Speaker 1: you were all the way informed, if you really knew

1041
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:29,480
Speaker 1: what was going on, your honest appraisal might be that

1042
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:31,719
Speaker 1: they were making the right call. It also might be

1043
00:54:31,719 --> 00:54:34,520
Speaker 1: that they were making the wrong call. But being critical

1044
00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:36,720
Speaker 1: of the process is not the same of being critical

1045
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:40,040
Speaker 1: of the entire outcome or of the entire objective, you know.

1046
00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:42,719
Speaker 1: And that's what that's the challenge we always face in

1047
00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:45,520
Speaker 1: the media, where you could write a story that's critical

1048
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:49,120
Speaker 1: is something Donald Trump says, uh, and it immediately gets

1049
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:52,640
Speaker 1: you painted in a corner as being an anti Trump journalist,

1050
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:57,040
Speaker 1: or go ahead and finish out this is like Or

1051
00:54:57,080 --> 00:54:59,240
Speaker 1: you could, you know, conversely, write a story that says,

1052
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:01,680
Speaker 1: you know, Don Trump is right, orbital defense is a

1053
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:04,920
Speaker 1: serious concern for our country, and it will immediately get

1054
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:07,400
Speaker 1: you painted as a Trump pumper, and any points you

1055
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:10,960
Speaker 1: made in either case become moot i um. I think

1056
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:13,280
Speaker 1: the one of the points I was trying to get

1057
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:16,080
Speaker 1: to there with how we make up. We have to

1058
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:19,000
Speaker 1: increasingly make up more and more stories to legitimize what

1059
00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:22,240
Speaker 1: we're doing, uh, specifically thinking about the war on Terror,

1060
00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:25,040
Speaker 1: and especially how veterans make up. We have these like

1061
00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:28,239
Speaker 1: stories about Spartans and temple our nights and like all

1062
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:33,239
Speaker 1: this asinine, ridiculous stuff that we tell ourselves because we're

1063
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:35,920
Speaker 1: not the Spartans. By the way, you know, our arrows

1064
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:38,839
Speaker 1: will blot out the sun. The Taliban's arrows are not

1065
00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:41,200
Speaker 1: blotting out the fucking sun. All right, I'm just throwing

1066
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:44,319
Speaker 1: that out there discuss. And also it's also important to

1067
00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:46,440
Speaker 1: note that the Spartans were not the Spartans that you

1068
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:48,520
Speaker 1: think the Spartans were. Not you, but you know what

1069
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:51,440
Speaker 1: I mean, Like, yeah, the Spartans that we like to

1070
00:55:51,560 --> 00:55:55,400
Speaker 1: drop parallels between ourselves and the Spartans. Honestly, you know,

1071
00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:57,360
Speaker 1: depending on who you were looking at the Battle of

1072
00:55:57,480 --> 00:56:01,520
Speaker 1: Three the Battle of Thermopoly, Uh, to some people, the

1073
00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:05,239
Speaker 1: Persians were the good guys. People were living better under

1074
00:56:05,239 --> 00:56:08,040
Speaker 1: the Persian Empire than many people were living, you know,

1075
00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:10,640
Speaker 1: especially the slaves of the spartans that they had captured

1076
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:13,000
Speaker 1: in war and stuff like that. You know, we like

1077
00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:15,239
Speaker 1: to look back at the three, you know, at the

1078
00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:20,920
Speaker 1: Monopoly as these idealistic heroes. They were just dudes just

1079
00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:25,359
Speaker 1: like us, which means some of them were assholes with

1080
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:29,279
Speaker 1: you know, with the storytelling. Um, there's that interesting documentary.

1081
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:31,960
Speaker 1: I know I brought it up before that Robert Curtis

1082
00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:37,319
Speaker 1: documentary hyper normalization, and uh that that term he came

1083
00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:40,520
Speaker 1: across it was it was just to describe the Soviet

1084
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:44,000
Speaker 1: Union and its twilight years. You know, everyone knew the

1085
00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:47,240
Speaker 1: Soviet Union was going to collapse by or I shouldn't

1086
00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:49,960
Speaker 1: say everyone, but like a lot of economists came to

1087
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:54,160
Speaker 1: that realization in the late nineties seventies because it's communism,

1088
00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:56,200
Speaker 1: Like the math just doesn't add up like that, it

1089
00:56:56,280 --> 00:56:59,080
Speaker 1: doesn't work, can't sustain this. But and then I and

1090
00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:01,359
Speaker 1: then you get into the nighte teen eighties, and by

1091
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:05,120
Speaker 1: that point it was really clear to the public and

1092
00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:09,319
Speaker 1: the Soviet Union that this isn't gonna work right, Like,

1093
00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:12,520
Speaker 1: this isn't gonna shake out. But by that point you

1094
00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:15,000
Speaker 1: had had the Soviet Union for so long and so

1095
00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:18,720
Speaker 1: many people have been so indoctrinated. They didn't know what

1096
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:22,320
Speaker 1: would come next. It's like everyone knows the system has failed,

1097
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:28,120
Speaker 1: but they can't even conceptualize a different system. And we've

1098
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:30,520
Speaker 1: been in the global War on terror for so long

1099
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:34,400
Speaker 1: that I feel that we are kind of in that mindset,

1100
00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:39,240
Speaker 1: like we cannot imagine a world where we just don't

1101
00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:42,240
Speaker 1: have troops deployed all around the world putting out fires.

1102
00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:45,600
Speaker 1: You know, you're touching on something that's really really important,

1103
00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:48,640
Speaker 1: especially when it comes to talking about places like Iran,

1104
00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:54,560
Speaker 1: North Korea, China, Russia, these nations that were still embroiled

1105
00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:58,960
Speaker 1: and what is effectively a staring contest, right Yeah, And

1106
00:57:59,040 --> 00:58:01,680
Speaker 1: like we I will say, you know, I've been to

1107
00:58:02,080 --> 00:58:04,600
Speaker 1: I don't know, twenty five different countries. I do think

1108
00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:07,000
Speaker 1: by and large, people are the same everywhere you go.

1109
00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:09,960
Speaker 1: That what's different are the systems that they live in.

1110
00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:13,280
Speaker 1: And it's harder to change a system than it is

1111
00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:16,520
Speaker 1: to change a person's mind. You know, in North Korea,

1112
00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:19,760
Speaker 1: people are starting to understand to a certain extent that

1113
00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:22,680
Speaker 1: not the whole world doesn't work like this. But but

1114
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:25,560
Speaker 1: just like you're saying, the concept of how we live

1115
00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:28,360
Speaker 1: is so foreign to them that it's hard for them

1116
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:30,600
Speaker 1: to wrap their heads around the same way. The concept

1117
00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:32,840
Speaker 1: of how they live is so foreign to us that

1118
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:35,520
Speaker 1: we're like, why don't they just stand up? Why doesn't

1119
00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:37,960
Speaker 1: why the North Koreans rise up against Kim Jong Will?

1120
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:42,040
Speaker 1: I mean, you think you put some thought into this.

1121
00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:45,360
Speaker 1: I mean, and I know you you'll know what I'm

1122
00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:48,560
Speaker 1: talking about here, But the human race is splitting into

1123
00:58:48,600 --> 00:58:53,000
Speaker 1: like multiple species, like it's already been happening. And like,

1124
00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:56,320
Speaker 1: if you think so, you're you're a father. I have

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00:58:56,400 --> 00:59:00,520
Speaker 1: a daughter. Um. I have a bachelor's degree. Her mother

1126
00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:04,560
Speaker 1: has a master's degree. We live in New York. Um,

1127
00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:09,000
Speaker 1: she goes to school. I have taken her to Europe

1128
00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:11,840
Speaker 1: a bunch of times. My my ex wife has taken

1129
00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:15,600
Speaker 1: her to Italy, to Paris, to the Mall Dives. I mean,

1130
00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:18,280
Speaker 1: this kid, at eight years old is like more traveled

1131
00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:22,440
Speaker 1: than than I am in probably in some ways. Um,

1132
00:59:22,640 --> 00:59:25,440
Speaker 1: she has all of these opportunities open to her. Now,

1133
00:59:26,120 --> 00:59:29,440
Speaker 1: take one of those kids that I came across an

1134
00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:33,560
Speaker 1: Afghanistan when I was deployed over there. His dad is

1135
00:59:33,640 --> 00:59:37,440
Speaker 1: essentially a dirt farmer. I don't say that to be derogatory.

1136
00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:40,000
Speaker 1: I mean it's just like being real like, it's a

1137
00:59:40,080 --> 00:59:45,320
Speaker 1: rough life. His wife, the kid's mom, is would be

1138
00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:48,880
Speaker 1: considered a slave essentially by us. That's how we would

1139
00:59:48,920 --> 00:59:52,320
Speaker 1: look at it, that she's essentially a slave. Uh. This

1140
00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:56,960
Speaker 1: kid leaves in a fucking hut. Um, maybe they have

1141
00:59:57,040 --> 01:00:00,919
Speaker 1: a couple goats or something like that. If that's they're

1142
01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:03,600
Speaker 1: doing well. If they're doing well, this kid has probably

1143
01:00:03,640 --> 01:00:07,439
Speaker 1: never been more than thirty minutes from his house. That's

1144
01:00:07,960 --> 01:00:10,280
Speaker 1: the scope of the world. That is his world that

1145
01:00:10,320 --> 01:00:13,440
Speaker 1: he lives in. And I'm not saying he's necessarily an

1146
01:00:13,520 --> 01:00:16,760
Speaker 1: unhappy child, because you can have a very happy childhood

1147
01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:19,919
Speaker 1: in a third world country. Um, it doesn't mean that

1148
01:00:19,960 --> 01:00:22,760
Speaker 1: you're just unhappy and miserable and you're starving to death,

1149
01:00:22,800 --> 01:00:26,040
Speaker 1: although a lot of them are malnourished and dehydrated and

1150
01:00:26,080 --> 01:00:29,320
Speaker 1: they don't have good health care. But he could be

1151
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:32,720
Speaker 1: a happy kid maybe. And your your scope of happy

1152
01:00:32,840 --> 01:00:35,200
Speaker 1: is developed by your experience, right, you know what I mean?

1153
01:00:35,240 --> 01:00:37,080
Speaker 1: So he very well could be a happy kid, because

1154
01:00:37,120 --> 01:00:43,200
Speaker 1: he doesn't he doesn't know what. Um. Now, if you

1155
01:00:43,320 --> 01:00:46,440
Speaker 1: take my kid and this kid I'm describing the Afghanistan,

1156
01:00:46,560 --> 01:00:49,720
Speaker 1: they are like from a two separate species, and I'm

1157
01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:52,160
Speaker 1: i don't mean to make like a racist argument. I'm

1158
01:00:52,200 --> 01:00:55,680
Speaker 1: not trying to say that these people in Afghanistan are subhuman.

1159
01:00:55,760 --> 01:00:58,320
Speaker 1: That's not that's not my point. Your daughter and the

1160
01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:02,120
Speaker 1: kid you're talking about could ethnically be identical, the differences

1161
01:01:02,160 --> 01:01:07,360
Speaker 1: would still be huge, huge, Yeah, you know, I mean

1162
01:01:07,400 --> 01:01:09,880
Speaker 1: it's it's absolutely and you'll see it to a lesser extent.

1163
01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:12,880
Speaker 1: Even right here in the United States. You know, there

1164
01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:15,960
Speaker 1: are some places here in Georgia where people don't have

1165
01:01:16,040 --> 01:01:19,040
Speaker 1: running water in their houses. You know, I was in uh.

1166
01:01:19,080 --> 01:01:20,919
Speaker 1: I was in New Orleans not all that long ago.

1167
01:01:21,600 --> 01:01:25,240
Speaker 1: Large swaths of New Orleans are still just absolutely destroyed

1168
01:01:25,240 --> 01:01:28,440
Speaker 1: from Hurricane Katrina. It's hard, it's mind boggling to think

1169
01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:30,800
Speaker 1: because it's been so long. And you know, right after

1170
01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:33,000
Speaker 1: an earthquake in Haiti, we sent a billion dollars to

1171
01:01:33,120 --> 01:01:37,080
Speaker 1: rappers to buy new boats about Haiti. I guess you know,

1172
01:01:37,160 --> 01:01:39,320
Speaker 1: we're really good at raising a billion dollars to fix

1173
01:01:39,360 --> 01:01:42,680
Speaker 1: the Notre Dame Cathedral immediately, We're not very good at

1174
01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:48,240
Speaker 1: following through and helping the impoverished survive, you know, So

1175
01:01:48,280 --> 01:01:51,800
Speaker 1: when you think about just how destitute some people are,

1176
01:01:51,840 --> 01:01:54,360
Speaker 1: you know, when I was born, my at the time,

1177
01:01:54,360 --> 01:01:56,120
Speaker 1: there was four of us. We had another brother later,

1178
01:01:56,160 --> 01:01:58,040
Speaker 1: but there's four of us in a nineteen ft camping

1179
01:01:58,080 --> 01:02:00,920
Speaker 1: trailer with no running water in Our electricity came from

1180
01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:03,480
Speaker 1: an extension cord that we ran through a window of

1181
01:02:03,480 --> 01:02:06,520
Speaker 1: the trailer to the farm that whose property had let

1182
01:02:06,560 --> 01:02:09,520
Speaker 1: us park our trailer on. You know, my parents worked

1183
01:02:09,520 --> 01:02:11,800
Speaker 1: their asses off to put themselves in a position that

1184
01:02:12,320 --> 01:02:15,040
Speaker 1: by the time I graduated high school, I managed to

1185
01:02:15,080 --> 01:02:17,080
Speaker 1: go to college for a year before I dropped out

1186
01:02:17,120 --> 01:02:20,840
Speaker 1: like an idiot. But my parents worked really hard to

1187
01:02:20,840 --> 01:02:24,120
Speaker 1: put me in a position where now my daughter is

1188
01:02:24,160 --> 01:02:26,040
Speaker 1: in a position to lead a life kind of similar

1189
01:02:26,080 --> 01:02:29,000
Speaker 1: to your daughters. I had never redden on an airplane

1190
01:02:29,080 --> 01:02:33,160
Speaker 1: until I joined the Marine Corps. You know, uh like it.

1191
01:02:33,160 --> 01:02:36,640
Speaker 1: It took, it's going to take now three generations of

1192
01:02:36,800 --> 01:02:39,480
Speaker 1: rather upwardly mobile Americans. You know, my my dad was

1193
01:02:39,520 --> 01:02:41,880
Speaker 1: a real break guy. You know my mom. My mom

1194
01:02:41,880 --> 01:02:44,120
Speaker 1: actually graduated with her bachelor's the same week that I

1195
01:02:44,120 --> 01:02:47,320
Speaker 1: graduated with mine. But she was always very bright and

1196
01:02:47,360 --> 01:02:51,760
Speaker 1: she was very motivated. So my parents worked their asses

1197
01:02:51,760 --> 01:02:53,680
Speaker 1: off to put me in a position to be able

1198
01:02:53,720 --> 01:02:57,480
Speaker 1: to serve my country to pay for my college. You

1199
01:02:57,480 --> 01:02:59,800
Speaker 1: know and work my ass off to put my daughter

1200
01:02:59,840 --> 01:03:02,760
Speaker 1: in position where now she thinks having a big screen

1201
01:03:02,760 --> 01:03:06,920
Speaker 1: TV is absolutely normal. Yeah, yeah, no, I remember. Um.

1202
01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:09,320
Speaker 1: It's actually in the last chapter in my book where

1203
01:03:10,160 --> 01:03:12,440
Speaker 1: the end of the book it kind of closes with

1204
01:03:12,880 --> 01:03:15,480
Speaker 1: you know, um last summer when I finished right in

1205
01:03:15,480 --> 01:03:17,360
Speaker 1: the book and I really was I was at a

1206
01:03:17,480 --> 01:03:21,880
Speaker 1: in a square in Sardinia, this beautiful sea in front

1207
01:03:21,880 --> 01:03:25,320
Speaker 1: of me, the beautiful ocean, these turquoise waters, and I'm

1208
01:03:25,320 --> 01:03:29,000
Speaker 1: sitting there drinking a mohito, typing on my laptop, finishing

1209
01:03:29,000 --> 01:03:31,080
Speaker 1: writing my book, and my daughters they're playing in the

1210
01:03:31,120 --> 01:03:36,960
Speaker 1: ocean with kids from London, in France and Johannesburg. And

1211
01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:39,000
Speaker 1: I was like looking at this, and it's like dawned

1212
01:03:39,040 --> 01:03:41,120
Speaker 1: on me. I was like, this kid is already like

1213
01:03:41,160 --> 01:03:43,320
Speaker 1: in a totally different place than I was when I

1214
01:03:43,360 --> 01:03:46,920
Speaker 1: was her age. It's like cultural ghatica. Yeah, you know,

1215
01:03:48,120 --> 01:03:49,920
Speaker 1: because if you think about it, if under the best

1216
01:03:49,960 --> 01:03:52,919
Speaker 1: of circumstances, which like, for the sake of argument, let's

1217
01:03:52,920 --> 01:03:55,720
Speaker 1: say my family has been in we were three generations

1218
01:03:55,760 --> 01:03:58,800
Speaker 1: from you know, no running water and a trailer to

1219
01:03:58,960 --> 01:04:00,560
Speaker 1: like I live in a in a very a nice home,

1220
01:04:00,720 --> 01:04:02,640
Speaker 1: that I have a separate wing of it for me

1221
01:04:02,680 --> 01:04:05,080
Speaker 1: to work in. Me. It's not from one of those

1222
01:04:05,120 --> 01:04:07,680
Speaker 1: families that dynamited their way down into a valley and

1223
01:04:07,720 --> 01:04:10,960
Speaker 1: never left, no, believe it or not. My dad was

1224
01:04:11,040 --> 01:04:12,880
Speaker 1: just my dad was a schemer, you know what I mean.

1225
01:04:12,920 --> 01:04:15,600
Speaker 1: He always had another great business venture that just kind

1226
01:04:15,600 --> 01:04:17,640
Speaker 1: of He was a baker for a long time that

1227
01:04:17,680 --> 01:04:21,600
Speaker 1: didn't pan out. Eventually he got into running nursing homes. Uh,

1228
01:04:21,640 --> 01:04:23,000
Speaker 1: but it was you know, it took him a while,

1229
01:04:23,120 --> 01:04:25,200
Speaker 1: basically because he had to get his bachelor's degree, you know,

1230
01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:27,760
Speaker 1: in order to get a good job. Uh. But the

1231
01:04:28,480 --> 01:04:30,880
Speaker 1: truth of the matter is, under the best of circumstances,

1232
01:04:30,880 --> 01:04:33,760
Speaker 1: it took three full generations to put my family in

1233
01:04:33,800 --> 01:04:37,520
Speaker 1: a position where my daughter does not think flying in

1234
01:04:37,560 --> 01:04:41,480
Speaker 1: an airplane is weird, right, Uh. And that's under the

1235
01:04:41,560 --> 01:04:44,120
Speaker 1: best of conditions and the wealthiest nation on the planet.

1236
01:04:44,920 --> 01:04:48,400
Speaker 1: So if you were to say, how many generations is

1237
01:04:48,440 --> 01:04:51,200
Speaker 1: my daughter away from the little kids that I saw

1238
01:04:51,240 --> 01:04:53,960
Speaker 1: getting into a fist fight in Mozambique, Africa over my

1239
01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:56,920
Speaker 1: gatorade powder out of my m r E. You know,

1240
01:04:57,680 --> 01:05:00,440
Speaker 1: generationally speaking, I mean, when we're talking about are almost

1241
01:05:00,440 --> 01:05:03,520
Speaker 1: a different species in a weird way, you really could say,

1242
01:05:03,520 --> 01:05:06,080
Speaker 1: because even under the best of circumstances, let's say things

1243
01:05:06,200 --> 01:05:10,360
Speaker 1: changed overnight for for that family and Mozambique, there's still

1244
01:05:10,600 --> 01:05:15,160
Speaker 1: six ten generations away from having the understanding and the

1245
01:05:15,160 --> 01:05:16,760
Speaker 1: scope of the world that my daughter is going to

1246
01:05:16,800 --> 01:05:19,480
Speaker 1: grow up with, just through the advantages she has of

1247
01:05:19,520 --> 01:05:23,960
Speaker 1: being an American child in my house. It's uh, you know,

1248
01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:26,640
Speaker 1: like we were saying earlier, the human mind is systems

1249
01:05:26,680 --> 01:05:29,680
Speaker 1: overlaid on top of systems. And I've been I've mentioned

1250
01:05:29,720 --> 01:05:32,800
Speaker 1: this before that when I was in Iraq and there's

1251
01:05:32,840 --> 01:05:35,800
Speaker 1: this like huge pothole filled with this putrid black water,

1252
01:05:36,160 --> 01:05:37,680
Speaker 1: and as we drive by, I look over and I

1253
01:05:37,720 --> 01:05:39,400
Speaker 1: see these two kids who are like five or six

1254
01:05:39,480 --> 01:05:43,360
Speaker 1: years old playing in the water. Yeah, now, what do

1255
01:05:43,440 --> 01:05:46,880
Speaker 1: you think the systems are in their head as they're

1256
01:05:46,880 --> 01:05:51,080
Speaker 1: growing up compared to say, your kid, Alex. And again,

1257
01:05:51,160 --> 01:05:53,640
Speaker 1: this isn't like a racist argument. I'm trying to make

1258
01:05:53,680 --> 01:05:57,160
Speaker 1: what you genuinely, these children actually do know a great

1259
01:05:57,200 --> 01:06:01,600
Speaker 1: deal more than our kids about surveying, about survival, yeah,

1260
01:06:01,760 --> 01:06:04,480
Speaker 1: hell yeah. And they're they're probably and there there's things

1261
01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:07,880
Speaker 1: they're gonna be better at, like improvising Uh, there's thing.

1262
01:06:07,880 --> 01:06:10,600
Speaker 1: They're gonna be probably more entrepreneurial in a lot of

1263
01:06:10,600 --> 01:06:13,280
Speaker 1: ways because they're gonna probably have a higher tolerance for

1264
01:06:13,320 --> 01:06:18,960
Speaker 1: physical pain. Yeah, because they have to to survive. Um.

1265
01:06:19,080 --> 01:06:21,720
Speaker 1: But and if you if you took one of those

1266
01:06:21,840 --> 01:06:25,320
Speaker 1: kids out of that situation and brought them to America,

1267
01:06:25,440 --> 01:06:28,360
Speaker 1: they'd be fine. They'd be they would end up like

1268
01:06:28,400 --> 01:06:31,440
Speaker 1: any other American kid. Um. Even if you took like

1269
01:06:32,080 --> 01:06:35,240
Speaker 1: one of these asshole Taliban guys out of Afghanistan and

1270
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Speaker 1: brought him to New York, he wouldn't be Taliban anymore.

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Speaker 1: It's not that those guys aren't like Al Qaeda dudes.

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01:06:40,960 --> 01:06:43,680
Speaker 1: For the most part, they're not like hardcore like radical

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01:06:43,760 --> 01:06:46,720
Speaker 1: Islamist nutcases. Like if you took the most of them

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01:06:46,760 --> 01:06:49,840
Speaker 1: out of that situation and PLoP them down into a

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01:06:49,840 --> 01:06:53,720
Speaker 1: different situation, they wouldn't be like guerilla fighters, like like

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01:06:53,800 --> 01:06:57,080
Speaker 1: hillbillies with huge beers running around shooting villagers and ship.

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01:06:59,560 --> 01:07:01,960
Speaker 1: You're toldly right, you know. And but and this this

1278
01:07:02,040 --> 01:07:03,800
Speaker 1: gets to what we were talking about before with that

1279
01:07:03,840 --> 01:07:06,800
Speaker 1: good guys versus bad guys thing. The reality of the

1280
01:07:06,840 --> 01:07:09,200
Speaker 1: matter is is that everyone is doing the best they

1281
01:07:09,240 --> 01:07:13,800
Speaker 1: can in their circumstances, right, that doesn't just but because

1282
01:07:13,840 --> 01:07:16,000
Speaker 1: I'm able to look at that guy in the Taliban

1283
01:07:16,240 --> 01:07:20,920
Speaker 1: and and acknowledge that in his head, among his peer group,

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01:07:21,400 --> 01:07:24,200
Speaker 1: like in his family, he's not a bad guy. That

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01:07:24,240 --> 01:07:26,920
Speaker 1: doesn't mean that he's my friend or ally, it doesn't

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01:07:26,920 --> 01:07:29,720
Speaker 1: mean that we need to get along. But it's important

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01:07:29,760 --> 01:07:32,720
Speaker 1: that we acknowledge these things because you cannot. You can't

1288
01:07:32,880 --> 01:07:37,200
Speaker 1: strategize against motive unless you actually understand motive, right, And

1289
01:07:37,240 --> 01:07:40,240
Speaker 1: if you want to attribute just evil, you want to

1290
01:07:40,240 --> 01:07:43,320
Speaker 1: just say that their motives are just nefarious. Uh, what

1291
01:07:43,400 --> 01:07:46,480
Speaker 1: you end up doing is setting yourself up for failure

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01:07:46,560 --> 01:07:49,720
Speaker 1: because you're not accurately depicting their motives, so you're not

1293
01:07:49,800 --> 01:07:51,880
Speaker 1: able to For instance, this is why America is so

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01:07:51,920 --> 01:07:56,280
Speaker 1: bad with narrative campaigns, because we're so unable to accept

1295
01:07:56,320 --> 01:08:00,800
Speaker 1: the idea that their motives might genuinely be good. You know,

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01:08:00,880 --> 01:08:03,200
Speaker 1: they're just not in keeping with our own. And there's

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01:08:03,240 --> 01:08:06,439
Speaker 1: only enough room for one of us here. Because we're

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01:08:06,440 --> 01:08:11,040
Speaker 1: not able to accept that culturally, it sets us back strategically. Well,

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01:08:11,080 --> 01:08:14,400
Speaker 1: those those people who are like intelligent and sophisticated and

1300
01:08:14,400 --> 01:08:16,599
Speaker 1: and you know they went to like Ivy League, schools.

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01:08:16,640 --> 01:08:20,000
Speaker 1: They also have a real problem, um when they think

1302
01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:22,960
Speaker 1: that every stranger is just a friend they haven't met yet,

1303
01:08:23,320 --> 01:08:25,800
Speaker 1: and they you know what's funny about that, though, is

1304
01:08:25,840 --> 01:08:28,840
Speaker 1: that they feel that way when it comes to interpersonal actions.

1305
01:08:29,120 --> 01:08:31,240
Speaker 1: But they're also the same people sitting around a table

1306
01:08:31,320 --> 01:08:34,280
Speaker 1: talking about how we have to bring down per patient

1307
01:08:34,360 --> 01:08:37,400
Speaker 1: meal at the hotel two under three dollars, you know,

1308
01:08:37,520 --> 01:08:42,120
Speaker 1: because those people aren't people. Yeah, I've heard, I've heard

1309
01:08:42,200 --> 01:08:45,639
Speaker 1: some surreal things over the years, and you know, even

1310
01:08:45,720 --> 01:08:48,400
Speaker 1: even really nice guys, you know, like Jimmy Carter. I mean,

1311
01:08:48,479 --> 01:08:50,400
Speaker 1: by the time he was coming out of office, he

1312
01:08:50,479 --> 01:08:52,840
Speaker 1: realized the world wasn't the place he thought it was,

1313
01:08:52,920 --> 01:08:56,720
Speaker 1: Like there's some snakes in the grass and and and

1314
01:08:56,720 --> 01:08:59,000
Speaker 1: that's then that's really what it comes down to, you know.

1315
01:08:59,240 --> 01:09:03,759
Speaker 1: I because I'm not inherently opposed to social programs, for instance,

1316
01:09:03,800 --> 01:09:05,559
Speaker 1: you know, I don't think that you could grow up

1317
01:09:05,600 --> 01:09:08,240
Speaker 1: as poor as I was and think that nobody needs

1318
01:09:08,240 --> 01:09:14,280
Speaker 1: help sincerely, right, Yeah, yeah, But there the trade off

1319
01:09:14,560 --> 01:09:16,920
Speaker 1: is that there's always gonna be people who gained the system,

1320
01:09:16,960 --> 01:09:20,280
Speaker 1: there's always gonna be people who are using it wrong reasons,

1321
01:09:20,760 --> 01:09:22,519
Speaker 1: and trying to balance that That's the reason why I

1322
01:09:22,600 --> 01:09:24,280
Speaker 1: really do think that the best thing for the country

1323
01:09:24,439 --> 01:09:29,320
Speaker 1: is healthy debate and discourse, not ultimate victory for one

1324
01:09:29,320 --> 01:09:32,000
Speaker 1: party or the other. Like I have a problem with

1325
01:09:32,000 --> 01:09:35,679
Speaker 1: this whole like universal basic income thing because like I don't.

1326
01:09:35,680 --> 01:09:38,479
Speaker 1: I don't have a problem with some social programs to

1327
01:09:38,560 --> 01:09:41,240
Speaker 1: like help people who are like seriously struggling, you know,

1328
01:09:41,280 --> 01:09:43,760
Speaker 1: like single mom with three kids, she needs some help. Like,

1329
01:09:43,840 --> 01:09:46,160
Speaker 1: I get it, But like, do I want to be

1330
01:09:46,200 --> 01:09:49,280
Speaker 1: like handing over tax dollars to like some fucking kid

1331
01:09:49,320 --> 01:09:51,120
Speaker 1: who just wants to play video games all day and

1332
01:09:51,160 --> 01:09:52,880
Speaker 1: doesn't feel you should have to get a job like

1333
01:09:53,160 --> 01:09:56,640
Speaker 1: now now. Absolutely, and to a certain extent, ideas like

1334
01:09:56,720 --> 01:10:00,680
Speaker 1: universal basic income to me just sounds like manufacture or inflation,

1335
01:10:01,040 --> 01:10:05,880
Speaker 1: you know, written off money. Yeah, they'll have to we're

1336
01:10:05,920 --> 01:10:08,639
Speaker 1: gonna do. We're not gonna worry about how the health

1337
01:10:08,680 --> 01:10:12,559
Speaker 1: care system is broken in six different ways. Just give

1338
01:10:12,640 --> 01:10:14,519
Speaker 1: you more money to give it, you know. We're not

1339
01:10:14,520 --> 01:10:17,479
Speaker 1: going to worry about how food is to you know,

1340
01:10:17,520 --> 01:10:20,400
Speaker 1: the the agricultural system. We're giving farmers money to farm

1341
01:10:20,439 --> 01:10:23,200
Speaker 1: food that they throw away. We're not gonna worry about

1342
01:10:23,240 --> 01:10:24,960
Speaker 1: how that's broken. We're just gonna give them more money

1343
01:10:25,000 --> 01:10:27,200
Speaker 1: to grow it, to throw it away. We're not trying

1344
01:10:27,200 --> 01:10:30,599
Speaker 1: to fix systems. We're trying to put bandages on systems,

1345
01:10:31,200 --> 01:10:33,360
Speaker 1: you know. And again it's just like we were saying earlier,

1346
01:10:33,400 --> 01:10:35,920
Speaker 1: it's easier to change people than it is to change systems.

1347
01:10:36,200 --> 01:10:39,400
Speaker 1: This is the way things work, all right. So, uh,

1348
01:10:39,520 --> 01:10:43,080
Speaker 1: we've given like the grand unified field theory of everything. Uh,

1349
01:10:43,920 --> 01:10:48,280
Speaker 1: this is a weird one. Before I but before we

1350
01:10:48,680 --> 01:10:51,479
Speaker 1: totally uh go off for another hour on this, I

1351
01:10:51,520 --> 01:10:53,960
Speaker 1: did want to bring you back to you know, one

1352
01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:58,280
Speaker 1: of your hobby horses is UFOs and I know you've

1353
01:10:58,280 --> 01:11:00,800
Speaker 1: written a lot about that, and there's all there's a

1354
01:11:00,840 --> 01:11:02,559
Speaker 1: new just over the last couple of days, a new

1355
01:11:02,600 --> 01:11:06,320
Speaker 1: slew of articles about you know, about this subject and

1356
01:11:06,640 --> 01:11:09,240
Speaker 1: the Department of Defense, and I wanted to get have

1357
01:11:09,400 --> 01:11:11,320
Speaker 1: you get into that since I know it's something you

1358
01:11:11,400 --> 01:11:14,360
Speaker 1: keep a close eye on. Yeah, and you know the

1359
01:11:14,360 --> 01:11:16,960
Speaker 1: thing for those who may not be savvy, uh, just

1360
01:11:17,200 --> 01:11:20,559
Speaker 1: at least broke about a number of Navy pilots, the

1361
01:11:20,600 --> 01:11:23,639
Speaker 1: most prominent one being a guy named Lieutenant Graves, who

1362
01:11:23,640 --> 01:11:28,040
Speaker 1: are reporting that through thousand fourteen two fifteen, they had

1363
01:11:28,160 --> 01:11:32,160
Speaker 1: frequent encounters with unusual aircraft in the sky, you know,

1364
01:11:32,320 --> 01:11:35,400
Speaker 1: and these aircraft are qualified as unusual through you know,

1365
01:11:35,960 --> 01:11:41,280
Speaker 1: person visual naked eye observations, through uh, you know, equipment

1366
01:11:41,320 --> 01:11:46,000
Speaker 1: observations like radar. Their behavior in general, you know, captured

1367
01:11:46,000 --> 01:11:49,960
Speaker 1: on flear cameras and captured in those personal statements. These

1368
01:11:49,960 --> 01:11:53,080
Speaker 1: things are weird, you know. But you said they actually

1369
01:11:53,080 --> 01:11:56,479
Speaker 1: had eyes on some of them, eyes on some in fact,

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01:11:56,479 --> 01:11:59,000
Speaker 1: and one of them there were two F eighteen super

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01:11:59,000 --> 01:12:01,800
Speaker 1: hornets f A teen super Hornets flying within a hundred

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01:12:01,840 --> 01:12:05,240
Speaker 1: feet of another and what they described as a sphere

1373
01:12:05,520 --> 01:12:10,240
Speaker 1: encased in in in a transparent cube crossed between them,

1374
01:12:10,520 --> 01:12:12,920
Speaker 1: which when you're flying a wing tip to wing tip

1375
01:12:13,000 --> 01:12:16,080
Speaker 1: at seven miles per hour in a fighter jet, that

1376
01:12:16,160 --> 01:12:19,000
Speaker 1: is not a significant distance, right, So crossing between these

1377
01:12:19,000 --> 01:12:22,200
Speaker 1: two aircraft, if a Russian fighter were to do it,

1378
01:12:22,240 --> 01:12:25,120
Speaker 1: if it were that did that, we would call that

1379
01:12:25,600 --> 01:12:32,360
Speaker 1: an unsafe and unprofessional encounter. Yeah, absolutely, you know. So

1380
01:12:33,040 --> 01:12:35,040
Speaker 1: so you know, these Navy pilots. This is actually what

1381
01:12:35,320 --> 01:12:38,880
Speaker 1: led to the Navy now establishing new reporting procedures for

1382
01:12:38,960 --> 01:12:42,320
Speaker 1: what they call you A p sightings unidentified aerial phenomenon sightings.

1383
01:12:42,640 --> 01:12:44,680
Speaker 1: The reason why they call them you a e is

1384
01:12:44,760 --> 01:12:49,439
Speaker 1: largely because the you know, UFO unidentified flying object gets

1385
01:12:49,439 --> 01:12:54,320
Speaker 1: scoffed at, right, people automatically assume alien when you hear UFO.

1386
01:12:54,439 --> 01:12:56,400
Speaker 1: The truth, of course, is that it's just something you

1387
01:12:56,439 --> 01:12:59,439
Speaker 1: don't know what it is. These were to f A

1388
01:12:59,560 --> 01:13:02,240
Speaker 1: teen pilots and they described this thing as a sphere

1389
01:13:02,520 --> 01:13:06,240
Speaker 1: encased in a transparent cube. Yes, and now this is

1390
01:13:06,280 --> 01:13:09,920
Speaker 1: I mean, this dovetails right into the Nimics incident, which

1391
01:13:09,960 --> 01:13:12,959
Speaker 1: up until recently I would call probably the most prominent

1392
01:13:13,000 --> 01:13:17,799
Speaker 1: incident in contemporary history, where Commander Fraiverer, who was another

1393
01:13:17,960 --> 01:13:22,479
Speaker 1: super Hornet pilot, and his wingman were scrambled more than

1394
01:13:22,560 --> 01:13:25,320
Speaker 1: once and of four days and to the four off

1395
01:13:25,320 --> 01:13:29,120
Speaker 1: the coast of California to try to intercept contacts that

1396
01:13:29,200 --> 01:13:32,320
Speaker 1: this Carrier strike group kept getting. The Nimic Strike Group

1397
01:13:32,720 --> 01:13:37,200
Speaker 1: kept getting radar feeds or reads of things popping up

1398
01:13:37,200 --> 01:13:39,639
Speaker 1: and around thirty thousand feet, dropping down to five thousand

1399
01:13:39,640 --> 01:13:43,760
Speaker 1: feet uh, coming to very close to the carrier strike group,

1400
01:13:43,760 --> 01:13:47,599
Speaker 1: and then zooming away at hypersonic velocities. And they thought

1401
01:13:47,600 --> 01:13:51,639
Speaker 1: what they were getting must have been equipment misreadings, because

1402
01:13:51,720 --> 01:13:55,120
Speaker 1: things don't work that way, right, you know, So they

1403
01:13:55,160 --> 01:13:58,840
Speaker 1: scrambled fighters multiple times over four days. They captured flear

1404
01:13:59,000 --> 01:14:03,400
Speaker 1: fige of these. Perhaps they saw them with their naked eye. Uh,

1405
01:14:03,640 --> 01:14:05,200
Speaker 1: some of the craziest stuff, you know. So if you're

1406
01:14:05,200 --> 01:14:07,439
Speaker 1: a fighter pilot, not all that different to if you're

1407
01:14:07,439 --> 01:14:10,800
Speaker 1: an infantry man. Uh, you're gonna establish Okay, so this

1408
01:14:10,840 --> 01:14:12,479
Speaker 1: is where we're going to link up again if we

1409
01:14:12,520 --> 01:14:16,080
Speaker 1: get separated and something goes wrong. Right, I can't remember

1410
01:14:16,120 --> 01:14:18,000
Speaker 1: the exact term for it when you're a fighter pilot,

1411
01:14:18,040 --> 01:14:21,439
Speaker 1: but they established one about sixty kilometers away from where

1412
01:14:21,600 --> 01:14:25,040
Speaker 1: they were headed to intercept. When they got there, Uh,

1413
01:14:25,120 --> 01:14:27,960
Speaker 1: those strange tic tac shaped thing, they called it the

1414
01:14:28,000 --> 01:14:30,320
Speaker 1: tik tak thing that they got there if they tried

1415
01:14:30,360 --> 01:14:31,960
Speaker 1: to bank around to get a closer look at it,

1416
01:14:32,360 --> 01:14:35,720
Speaker 1: and it immediately booked it back to where they said

1417
01:14:35,760 --> 01:14:39,479
Speaker 1: they would meet up sixty KOs away, Uh, which would

1418
01:14:39,520 --> 01:14:44,200
Speaker 1: infer either you know, a really crazy situation you know, uh,

1419
01:14:44,360 --> 01:14:47,080
Speaker 1: or that it was able to eavesdrop on communications. You know.

1420
01:14:47,160 --> 01:14:50,600
Speaker 1: And so when you hear about like this, we'll do

1421
01:14:50,720 --> 01:14:53,559
Speaker 1: want to think aliens, right, And yeah, you know I'm

1422
01:14:53,560 --> 01:14:55,680
Speaker 1: a big I'm a big fan of Ockham's razor. Right, Like,

1423
01:14:55,760 --> 01:14:58,559
Speaker 1: so the theory that requires the fewest assumptions is probably

1424
01:14:58,560 --> 01:15:01,559
Speaker 1: what them raised or on a fine tic tac that

1425
01:15:01,560 --> 01:15:04,360
Speaker 1: can read your thoughts, or or a sphere in case

1426
01:15:04,400 --> 01:15:06,920
Speaker 1: in a transparent cube like I'm trying to wrap my

1427
01:15:06,960 --> 01:15:10,280
Speaker 1: mind around that. Absolutely, you know, so so what you

1428
01:15:10,280 --> 01:15:14,240
Speaker 1: would normally my my almost always, my first idea when

1429
01:15:14,240 --> 01:15:15,920
Speaker 1: I hear about a UFO sighting is that it was

1430
01:15:16,000 --> 01:15:20,760
Speaker 1: either a misidentified military aircraft just because military aircraft right

1431
01:15:21,360 --> 01:15:24,640
Speaker 1: strange ways to the aircraft were normal we're using, Or

1432
01:15:24,640 --> 01:15:29,000
Speaker 1: it's a function I'm sorry, broke up a bit there.

1433
01:15:29,120 --> 01:15:31,479
Speaker 1: Or it could be a radar malfunction, or it could

1434
01:15:31,520 --> 01:15:34,720
Speaker 1: be some sort of natural phenomena that we don't quite understand,

1435
01:15:35,680 --> 01:15:39,200
Speaker 1: or in those really rare situations where it is something

1436
01:15:39,640 --> 01:15:43,160
Speaker 1: that people never seen before, I'm still more apt to

1437
01:15:43,160 --> 01:15:46,320
Speaker 1: believe that it's a technology demonstrator for a new drone

1438
01:15:46,439 --> 01:15:50,680
Speaker 1: or aircraft. I mean, Lord knows, Lockeed Martin has already

1439
01:15:50,960 --> 01:15:54,880
Speaker 1: insinuated that there are SR seventy two tech demonstrators capable

1440
01:15:54,880 --> 01:15:59,559
Speaker 1: of hypersonic speeds. These are triangular shaped aircraft, which I'm

1441
01:15:59,600 --> 01:16:03,880
Speaker 1: sure on who's you know, fall casually would know that

1442
01:16:03,920 --> 01:16:07,519
Speaker 1: there's always reports of prime shaped aircraft traveling at in

1443
01:16:08,000 --> 01:16:11,439
Speaker 1: speeds that people tend to attribute to UFOs that could

1444
01:16:11,520 --> 01:16:14,519
Speaker 1: very easily be hypersonic programs. We've been doing hypersonic stuff

1445
01:16:14,520 --> 01:16:17,360
Speaker 1: since two thousand four. You know, It's it's not at

1446
01:16:17,400 --> 01:16:20,400
Speaker 1: all outside the realm of possibility. But so then when

1447
01:16:20,439 --> 01:16:24,240
Speaker 1: it's military pilots reporting these, you have to go all right,

1448
01:16:24,320 --> 01:16:26,680
Speaker 1: So the only way that this is a government program

1449
01:16:26,760 --> 01:16:28,639
Speaker 1: is if someone in the government thought that it would

1450
01:16:28,640 --> 01:16:32,000
Speaker 1: be a good idea to see how super hornets would

1451
01:16:32,040 --> 01:16:34,439
Speaker 1: react to trying to intercept this, which is that's not

1452
01:16:34,960 --> 01:16:39,120
Speaker 1: a common practice. That's a idea very dangerous, you know,

1453
01:16:40,320 --> 01:16:44,840
Speaker 1: and especially you know, in these most recent sightings where

1454
01:16:44,840 --> 01:16:47,040
Speaker 1: you're talking about what would be considered an unsafe and

1455
01:16:47,120 --> 01:16:51,000
Speaker 1: unprofessional encounter, you're talking about uh, flying in between two

1456
01:16:51,040 --> 01:16:53,160
Speaker 1: aircraft that are flying in a close formation at high

1457
01:16:53,240 --> 01:16:55,400
Speaker 1: at a high rate of speed. That is not something

1458
01:16:55,439 --> 01:16:58,320
Speaker 1: that you would do with an experimental drone program to

1459
01:16:58,439 --> 01:17:00,920
Speaker 1: test the limits of your drone because you're putting American

1460
01:17:00,920 --> 01:17:04,120
Speaker 1: lives at risk, you know. So it makes you go, Okay,

1461
01:17:04,160 --> 01:17:06,080
Speaker 1: so what the hell is this? Right? Is it a

1462
01:17:06,160 --> 01:17:09,040
Speaker 1: natural phenomenon that we just don't understand yet? Is it

1463
01:17:09,600 --> 01:17:13,280
Speaker 1: a foreign military technology that's capable or in our airspace

1464
01:17:13,280 --> 01:17:15,559
Speaker 1: and we can do a little about it, you know,

1465
01:17:15,720 --> 01:17:18,680
Speaker 1: whatever it is, we need to get a hate on

1466
01:17:18,800 --> 01:17:21,479
Speaker 1: what's going on so that we can know if we

1467
01:17:21,520 --> 01:17:23,400
Speaker 1: need to defend ourselves and if we do, how to

1468
01:17:23,479 --> 01:17:28,760
Speaker 1: defend our instant, especially if it's foreign military technology. I'm

1469
01:17:28,840 --> 01:17:31,679
Speaker 1: never You'll never catch me. Yeah, man, this one's aliens.

1470
01:17:32,360 --> 01:17:36,360
Speaker 1: You know. Uh, It's it's possible. I I still think

1471
01:17:36,360 --> 01:17:39,800
Speaker 1: that it's the least likely possibility. But sometimes when you

1472
01:17:39,840 --> 01:17:42,400
Speaker 1: hear reports like this, when you watch the footage from

1473
01:17:42,439 --> 01:17:45,479
Speaker 1: command Or Favor's flear camera on the nose of the

1474
01:17:45,600 --> 01:17:48,160
Speaker 1: super Hornet, it's hard to look at that and go, oh,

1475
01:17:48,200 --> 01:17:49,680
Speaker 1: you know what that thing is. That must be a

1476
01:17:49,800 --> 01:17:52,120
Speaker 1: you know, a good Year blimp that somebody mistaked in

1477
01:17:52,160 --> 01:17:55,920
Speaker 1: the distance. Yeah. I mean, even when we're talking about

1478
01:17:55,960 --> 01:17:59,640
Speaker 1: these incidents we've been talking about here, even if we

1479
01:17:59,760 --> 01:18:03,320
Speaker 1: say maybe it's a you know, some foreign country has

1480
01:18:03,360 --> 01:18:06,240
Speaker 1: some technology, you know, we're not aware of, like these

1481
01:18:06,240 --> 01:18:09,280
Speaker 1: technologies that it would take to build the things that

1482
01:18:09,320 --> 01:18:13,479
Speaker 1: you're talking about. That's like several generations ahead of what

1483
01:18:13,600 --> 01:18:16,680
Speaker 1: anybody has. And I don't believe for a moment that

1484
01:18:16,760 --> 01:18:20,679
Speaker 1: the Russians built that. Um, they're they're so far behind.

1485
01:18:20,800 --> 01:18:27,960
Speaker 1: I mean the Russians come to us for technology, the Chinese, Yeah,

1486
01:18:28,000 --> 01:18:34,680
Speaker 1: the Chinese technology. Um, so they're using our stuff at best. Um,

1487
01:18:34,800 --> 01:18:41,280
Speaker 1: what other country in the world is developing compartmentalized, multi

1488
01:18:41,400 --> 01:18:46,120
Speaker 1: billion or even trillion dollar aerospace programs. Now, there was

1489
01:18:46,200 --> 01:18:49,120
Speaker 1: there was a UFO siting in northern California last fall

1490
01:18:49,680 --> 01:18:52,240
Speaker 1: that the Air National Guards scrambled fIF teens to try

1491
01:18:52,280 --> 01:18:56,799
Speaker 1: to intercept. They weren't able to get visual on whatever

1492
01:18:56,840 --> 01:19:01,000
Speaker 1: it was that that provided radar returns because whatever it

1493
01:19:01,040 --> 01:19:02,760
Speaker 1: was zoomed out of there. It seemed to be a

1494
01:19:02,760 --> 01:19:07,080
Speaker 1: stealth platform that was giving intermittent radar returns. When in

1495
01:19:07,080 --> 01:19:09,080
Speaker 1: the case of things like that, I'm inclined to think

1496
01:19:09,120 --> 01:19:14,400
Speaker 1: that it's a commercial defense contractor testing new platforms. Right,

1497
01:19:15,040 --> 01:19:19,360
Speaker 1: But then when you've got trained military aviators, we're not

1498
01:19:19,360 --> 01:19:22,240
Speaker 1: talking about Assessina pilot who got his license sixty years ago.

1499
01:19:22,920 --> 01:19:26,320
Speaker 1: We're talking about super Hornet fighter pilots. Now, I've got

1500
01:19:26,360 --> 01:19:28,120
Speaker 1: a buddy who's an F thirty five pilot used to

1501
01:19:28,120 --> 01:19:30,639
Speaker 1: be an F sixteen pilot, and he was talking about

1502
01:19:30,640 --> 01:19:34,479
Speaker 1: how like the the travel The route that you take

1503
01:19:34,479 --> 01:19:37,479
Speaker 1: to being a fighter pilot is a long and difficult

1504
01:19:37,520 --> 01:19:40,040
Speaker 1: one where a lot of people get weeded out. Right,

1505
01:19:40,320 --> 01:19:42,640
Speaker 1: You're not always weeded out out of aviation. But you

1506
01:19:42,680 --> 01:19:44,560
Speaker 1: may not be a fighter. You may be a C

1507
01:19:44,680 --> 01:19:46,960
Speaker 1: one thirty pilot. You know, that's what you're better suited for.

1508
01:19:47,400 --> 01:19:50,679
Speaker 1: We're we're talking about guys who have excellent decision making skills,

1509
01:19:51,160 --> 01:19:53,599
Speaker 1: that are very confident in their ability to observe their

1510
01:19:53,680 --> 01:19:56,800
Speaker 1: environment because their life depends on it, you know, and

1511
01:19:56,840 --> 01:19:59,920
Speaker 1: are the best trained aviators into the world. America's mill

1512
01:20:00,120 --> 01:20:02,960
Speaker 1: Terry aviators have on average three times the stick time

1513
01:20:03,280 --> 01:20:06,960
Speaker 1: the Chinese Russian pilots have. These guys are combat aviators,

1514
01:20:07,360 --> 01:20:10,759
Speaker 1: you know. They they're used to taking fire and looking

1515
01:20:10,800 --> 01:20:14,200
Speaker 1: for enemy aircraft. So when these guys report a spearing

1516
01:20:14,280 --> 01:20:17,880
Speaker 1: case in a cube flying in between them, I'm not

1517
01:20:18,080 --> 01:20:22,120
Speaker 1: inclined to regard, you know, what they're saying. I don't

1518
01:20:22,160 --> 01:20:24,040
Speaker 1: know what to call it. I think that's the reason why.

1519
01:20:24,080 --> 01:20:26,880
Speaker 1: It's when it's backed up by instrument readings and so

1520
01:20:26,960 --> 01:20:30,320
Speaker 1: on exactly, you know. And that's really where I where

1521
01:20:30,360 --> 01:20:32,800
Speaker 1: I get particularly interested in this stuff, because I do

1522
01:20:32,840 --> 01:20:36,280
Speaker 1: think that a lot of UFO sightings are easily dismissed.

1523
01:20:36,520 --> 01:20:38,920
Speaker 1: You know, I would I'm you know, I'm not a

1524
01:20:39,040 --> 01:20:42,040
Speaker 1: UFO guy, alex Um. I do have an interest in

1525
01:20:42,320 --> 01:20:46,400
Speaker 1: classified aerospace programs, uh, you know, being you know, the

1526
01:20:46,479 --> 01:20:48,360
Speaker 1: kind of work that I do. Of course, I think

1527
01:20:48,400 --> 01:20:50,639
Speaker 1: that stuff's fascinating. I do have kind of a passing

1528
01:20:50,680 --> 01:20:55,519
Speaker 1: interest in these like natural phenomenas like you know, ball lightning, lightning.

1529
01:20:56,160 --> 01:20:59,280
Speaker 1: There's some other stuff like high atmosphere effects that um

1530
01:20:59,680 --> 01:21:01,719
Speaker 1: we did, didn't eat, we didn't even have on capture

1531
01:21:01,760 --> 01:21:03,920
Speaker 1: on film until like the nineteen nineties, are called like

1532
01:21:04,000 --> 01:21:07,880
Speaker 1: red dwarves. Um. It's basically like, um, it looks sort

1533
01:21:07,880 --> 01:21:10,080
Speaker 1: of like heat lightning, but it's red, and it goes

1534
01:21:10,160 --> 01:21:13,519
Speaker 1: up into our upper atmosphere, so it's like satellites will

1535
01:21:13,520 --> 01:21:17,360
Speaker 1: catch them. Um, it's like this just a giant red

1536
01:21:17,400 --> 01:21:20,519
Speaker 1: flash in our upper atmosphere and it's and you know,

1537
01:21:20,560 --> 01:21:23,280
Speaker 1: and there's other crazy things we just recently started getting.

1538
01:21:23,280 --> 01:21:25,559
Speaker 1: I think they called phantom organa. But uh, you know,

1539
01:21:25,600 --> 01:21:27,960
Speaker 1: optical illusions that can make it look like a city

1540
01:21:28,040 --> 01:21:31,960
Speaker 1: isn't the or it can make it look like ships

1541
01:21:32,040 --> 01:21:34,880
Speaker 1: are flying in the sky as opposed to on the water.

1542
01:21:36,040 --> 01:21:40,760
Speaker 1: But and I I important for us. So remember that

1543
01:21:40,800 --> 01:21:43,759
Speaker 1: our eyes aren't What you see is not really actually

1544
01:21:43,760 --> 01:21:46,360
Speaker 1: an accurate representation of real life. Right, It's what the

1545
01:21:46,360 --> 01:21:49,040
Speaker 1: best your brain could do as fast as it can. Right.

1546
01:21:49,080 --> 01:21:52,639
Speaker 1: It's like Plato putting the wooden stick into the water

1547
01:21:53,160 --> 01:21:55,679
Speaker 1: and you can see underwater it looks like the stick

1548
01:21:55,760 --> 01:21:58,559
Speaker 1: is bending, but obviously you know it isn't you know. Hence,

1549
01:21:58,600 --> 01:22:03,400
Speaker 1: an optical illusion per option is not necessarily reality, absolutely

1550
01:22:03,800 --> 01:22:06,320
Speaker 1: just and you know, and obviously I witness testimony is

1551
01:22:06,360 --> 01:22:11,160
Speaker 1: inherently flawed. But there comes a point you can longer

1552
01:22:11,280 --> 01:22:15,200
Speaker 1: disregard these because you think they're silly, you know. And

1553
01:22:15,240 --> 01:22:17,360
Speaker 1: at that point you need to at least seriously that

1554
01:22:17,439 --> 01:22:20,479
Speaker 1: are what is in our airspace? And how do you

1555
01:22:20,479 --> 01:22:23,320
Speaker 1: go about countering it if we needed to? And but

1556
01:22:23,400 --> 01:22:25,240
Speaker 1: I think that's what's one thing that's really interesting to

1557
01:22:25,280 --> 01:22:27,120
Speaker 1: come with this, Like Louis Elisondo, who was the head

1558
01:22:27,120 --> 01:22:31,439
Speaker 1: of a TIP, the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification program that

1559
01:22:31,520 --> 01:22:34,360
Speaker 1: was running in the Pentagon. It was funded between two

1560
01:22:34,400 --> 01:22:36,920
Speaker 1: thousand seven and two thousand twelve, but continued to run,

1561
01:22:37,360 --> 01:22:40,439
Speaker 1: and it probably continues to run now under the auspices

1562
01:22:40,479 --> 01:22:43,720
Speaker 1: of a different name. But they they were the Pentagon's

1563
01:22:43,880 --> 01:22:48,200
Speaker 1: arm of investigating military reports of unusual sightings, along with

1564
01:22:48,240 --> 01:22:50,280
Speaker 1: like a bunch of other stuff that I think was

1565
01:22:50,640 --> 01:22:53,960
Speaker 1: a little crazy and probably why they got defunded. But

1566
01:22:55,000 --> 01:22:57,400
Speaker 1: the biggest thing that people aren't talking about coming from

1567
01:22:57,400 --> 01:22:59,800
Speaker 1: this is that the revelation that the Pentagon was funding

1568
01:22:59,840 --> 01:23:03,520
Speaker 1: that program, the recent announcements that the Navy is establishing

1569
01:23:03,560 --> 01:23:07,960
Speaker 1: procedures to try to explore these sightings, is a a

1570
01:23:08,160 --> 01:23:11,040
Speaker 1: good argument in favor of the fact that the government

1571
01:23:11,080 --> 01:23:14,919
Speaker 1: does not know what these things are, is not involved

1572
01:23:14,920 --> 01:23:19,800
Speaker 1: in some far reaching, broad alien conspiracy. Roswell probably did

1573
01:23:19,840 --> 01:23:23,799
Speaker 1: not in life that we locked in a room studied.

1574
01:23:25,000 --> 01:23:27,799
Speaker 1: I think that what we're seeing is, you know, everybody's

1575
01:23:27,800 --> 01:23:30,439
Speaker 1: always talking about disclosure. They want the government to disclose

1576
01:23:30,520 --> 01:23:33,280
Speaker 1: what they know. I think what we're seeing here is

1577
01:23:33,280 --> 01:23:37,080
Speaker 1: that the government really does not know very much, you know.

1578
01:23:37,560 --> 01:23:40,160
Speaker 1: There they want to understand what the hell this stuff is,

1579
01:23:40,200 --> 01:23:43,559
Speaker 1: what they're seeing. But to this point, I don't think

1580
01:23:43,600 --> 01:23:46,360
Speaker 1: that we've got any little green men locked in any rooms.

1581
01:23:46,400 --> 01:23:49,760
Speaker 1: I don't think that we're reverse engineering UFOs, because if

1582
01:23:49,800 --> 01:23:54,960
Speaker 1: we were, we wouldn't find programs. And you know, I

1583
01:23:55,240 --> 01:23:59,200
Speaker 1: mean the other side of this is, yes, that I

1584
01:23:59,240 --> 01:24:03,439
Speaker 1: don't personally believe that there have ever been extraterrestrials visiting

1585
01:24:03,720 --> 01:24:06,120
Speaker 1: Earth unless you get down and like, you know that

1586
01:24:06,240 --> 01:24:09,599
Speaker 1: this whole theory that like maybe alien bacteria seated the

1587
01:24:09,600 --> 01:24:12,479
Speaker 1: Earth from a meteorite. You know that there's that maybe

1588
01:24:12,479 --> 01:24:16,160
Speaker 1: something like that could have happened. But um, I don't

1589
01:24:16,160 --> 01:24:18,840
Speaker 1: believe in little green men. But these encounters who are

1590
01:24:18,840 --> 01:24:25,599
Speaker 1: describing there's an implied intelligence behind whatever these constructs are,

1591
01:24:26,240 --> 01:24:28,559
Speaker 1: you know, and it makes perfect sense to me. Like

1592
01:24:28,720 --> 01:24:32,559
Speaker 1: let's say these are extraterrestrial in origin. It is exactly

1593
01:24:32,600 --> 01:24:34,920
Speaker 1: what we would do. This is what we do. We

1594
01:24:35,000 --> 01:24:39,360
Speaker 1: send Mars rovers you know. Curiosity is that we could muster,

1595
01:24:39,479 --> 01:24:42,840
Speaker 1: but we could manage a hypersonic speed sphere surrounded by

1596
01:24:43,200 --> 01:24:47,479
Speaker 1: bulk cube. We would have gone with that instead, you know. Uh,

1597
01:24:47,520 --> 01:24:49,800
Speaker 1: that's exactly what we would do to explore things like this.

1598
01:24:50,000 --> 01:24:52,200
Speaker 1: I do think that if aliens are visiting Earth, and

1599
01:24:52,200 --> 01:24:54,920
Speaker 1: if abduction stories are real and things like that, uh,

1600
01:24:55,000 --> 01:24:59,320
Speaker 1: it's again our ego that assumes uh a lot about

1601
01:24:59,360 --> 01:25:01,519
Speaker 1: their interest in us. I think it's much more akin

1602
01:25:01,600 --> 01:25:03,160
Speaker 1: to if it is real at all, which I'm not

1603
01:25:03,200 --> 01:25:05,640
Speaker 1: really sold on, it's a lot more like when we

1604
01:25:05,760 --> 01:25:08,720
Speaker 1: fly over you know, the African savannah and a helicopter

1605
01:25:08,800 --> 01:25:11,240
Speaker 1: and try and come down and tag it and then

1606
01:25:11,280 --> 01:25:14,720
Speaker 1: fly away. We don't meet with the rhinos elders to

1607
01:25:14,960 --> 01:25:18,000
Speaker 1: request permission to study them. We fly over, we zap

1608
01:25:18,120 --> 01:25:20,240
Speaker 1: them and tag them and leave. Yeah. But I mean,

1609
01:25:20,280 --> 01:25:23,479
Speaker 1: if you have a civilization that has technology so advanced

1610
01:25:23,520 --> 01:25:26,880
Speaker 1: they can do, you know, faster than light travel. They

1611
01:25:26,960 --> 01:25:30,759
Speaker 1: don't need to abduct human beings and probe our anuses, like,

1612
01:25:30,760 --> 01:25:32,960
Speaker 1: like their technology is way beyond that, Like they can

1613
01:25:33,000 --> 01:25:36,240
Speaker 1: probably scan you from atmosphere and get all the readings

1614
01:25:36,240 --> 01:25:39,920
Speaker 1: they need. Absolutely, although the question would be why bother

1615
01:25:40,200 --> 01:25:43,560
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, why bother study us at all? Yeah,

1616
01:25:43,640 --> 01:25:49,720
Speaker 1: I suppose or yeah, you could argue any life studying

1617
01:25:49,720 --> 01:25:51,080
Speaker 1: and that may well be there, you know, and if

1618
01:25:51,120 --> 01:25:56,080
Speaker 1: it is automated being uh, if you are capable of

1619
01:25:56,080 --> 01:26:01,400
Speaker 1: setting faster than resources are probably not a concern, right,

1620
01:26:01,439 --> 01:26:04,400
Speaker 1: So sending it here isn't a big I'm still just

1621
01:26:04,560 --> 01:26:06,559
Speaker 1: again it's one of those things where you know, there's

1622
01:26:06,600 --> 01:26:09,760
Speaker 1: there's kind of a crazy crackpot theory about Roswell that

1623
01:26:09,880 --> 01:26:13,800
Speaker 1: said that Stalin actually smuggled Joseph ngala Uh out of

1624
01:26:13,880 --> 01:26:19,320
Speaker 1: Nazi Germany hired him to right to create like weird

1625
01:26:19,880 --> 01:26:23,240
Speaker 1: you know, manipulated older and that they put in what

1626
01:26:23,280 --> 01:26:26,280
Speaker 1: was effectively a Nazi bell uh so that they could

1627
01:26:26,280 --> 01:26:28,559
Speaker 1: fly out to America and crash it and try to

1628
01:26:28,560 --> 01:26:32,839
Speaker 1: put America into a frenzy, which would you know, weaken

1629
01:26:32,880 --> 01:26:36,000
Speaker 1: our position I suppose, uh, you know, on the global stage.

1630
01:26:36,240 --> 01:26:39,600
Speaker 1: It sounds like such a ludicrous concept. But whenever I

1631
01:26:39,640 --> 01:26:42,000
Speaker 1: bring it up, especially when I'm talking to other guys

1632
01:26:42,000 --> 01:26:45,360
Speaker 1: that that believe in in alien visitation and stuff, When

1633
01:26:45,360 --> 01:26:47,280
Speaker 1: I bring that up and they tell me it's ridiculous,

1634
01:26:47,320 --> 01:26:50,680
Speaker 1: I always have to counter with what sounds more ridiculous.

1635
01:26:52,160 --> 01:26:55,000
Speaker 1: You know that Stalin hired a guy that we know

1636
01:26:55,240 --> 01:26:59,160
Speaker 1: did medical experiments to load some weird looking kids into

1637
01:26:59,200 --> 01:27:03,880
Speaker 1: a drone and crashion into roswell, which is outlandish. Or

1638
01:27:03,920 --> 01:27:08,080
Speaker 1: that some species managed to master fast and light travel

1639
01:27:08,720 --> 01:27:11,840
Speaker 1: came here over what could pretend to be thousands of

1640
01:27:11,960 --> 01:27:15,960
Speaker 1: light years just to crash on a guy's farm in Nevada.

1641
01:27:16,320 --> 01:27:21,080
Speaker 1: I'm thinking both of those are ridiculous, But um I

1642
01:27:21,160 --> 01:27:24,680
Speaker 1: wanted I agree you you do have my caught my

1643
01:27:24,760 --> 01:27:28,120
Speaker 1: interest with these with these um incidents, which are you know,

1644
01:27:28,160 --> 01:27:31,800
Speaker 1: recorded by the Navy and seemed quite credible, and we're

1645
01:27:31,880 --> 01:27:36,000
Speaker 1: kind of like throwing the bullshit card at extraterrestrials. We're

1646
01:27:36,040 --> 01:27:38,479
Speaker 1: calling the bulls. We're throwing the bullshit card at you know,

1647
01:27:38,600 --> 01:27:41,080
Speaker 1: Russia and China that that that it couldn't have been them.

1648
01:27:41,439 --> 01:27:43,960
Speaker 1: We're kind of throwing the bulls. The hard question then

1649
01:27:44,280 --> 01:27:46,439
Speaker 1: what hard question is? So then what we think it is? Yeah,

1650
01:27:46,479 --> 01:27:49,640
Speaker 1: what the funk is? I have no idea. That's and

1651
01:27:49,680 --> 01:27:53,320
Speaker 1: that's honestly, that's the reason why I'm I really like

1652
01:27:53,479 --> 01:27:56,599
Speaker 1: the fact that the Navy and the Pentagon all gaging

1653
01:27:56,680 --> 01:27:59,479
Speaker 1: with this, although you don't doubt that to a certain extent,

1654
01:27:59,479 --> 01:28:03,679
Speaker 1: there's always in some level of engagement. But uh, there's

1655
01:28:03,760 --> 01:28:07,679
Speaker 1: there's no feasible explanation for what these people are reporting, right,

1656
01:28:07,840 --> 01:28:11,960
Speaker 1: which leads you to either say the reports are erroneous.

1657
01:28:12,000 --> 01:28:14,240
Speaker 1: You know, these guys were not seeing what they claimed

1658
01:28:14,240 --> 01:28:17,120
Speaker 1: they saw, and the technical readings have been faked, which

1659
01:28:17,160 --> 01:28:19,879
Speaker 1: I don't think is possible or at least very unlikely.

1660
01:28:20,320 --> 01:28:22,200
Speaker 1: The other thing is that there's something going on that

1661
01:28:22,240 --> 01:28:25,200
Speaker 1: we don't understand. It could be man made, it could

1662
01:28:25,240 --> 01:28:29,320
Speaker 1: be something else. The only possible explanations at this point

1663
01:28:29,360 --> 01:28:33,840
Speaker 1: are either the military is openly and directly lying to

1664
01:28:33,920 --> 01:28:37,320
Speaker 1: us with first hand accounts and tech effects and stuff

1665
01:28:37,360 --> 01:28:40,040
Speaker 1: that they don't need to release but have opted to,

1666
01:28:40,520 --> 01:28:42,360
Speaker 1: and if they are, what's the motive and the intent,

1667
01:28:43,240 --> 01:28:44,800
Speaker 1: or the other side of it is is that we

1668
01:28:44,840 --> 01:28:48,360
Speaker 1: really don't know what stuff is we did happen, in

1669
01:28:48,400 --> 01:28:52,439
Speaker 1: which case we have some really hard questions to you.

1670
01:28:52,520 --> 01:28:55,080
Speaker 1: Neither of those are really will help you sleep at night.

1671
01:28:55,240 --> 01:28:57,640
Speaker 1: You have to wonder, like is there an office in

1672
01:28:57,800 --> 01:29:01,640
Speaker 1: like sub basement five of the Pentagon on and you know,

1673
01:29:01,760 --> 01:29:06,080
Speaker 1: it's like three guys working for some like compartmentalized program

1674
01:29:06,120 --> 01:29:09,639
Speaker 1: and like maybe they have some working theory finally of

1675
01:29:09,680 --> 01:29:12,080
Speaker 1: what this phenomena is. And there is like looking at

1676
01:29:12,120 --> 01:29:14,960
Speaker 1: each other like yeah, okay, this is what it is.

1677
01:29:15,000 --> 01:29:16,360
Speaker 1: But we kind of got to keep this ship under

1678
01:29:16,400 --> 01:29:20,200
Speaker 1: wraps right now, Like you can't tell people this. You know,

1679
01:29:20,240 --> 01:29:24,360
Speaker 1: that was the behind Tom Delongs to the Stars Academy,

1680
01:29:24,600 --> 01:29:27,040
Speaker 1: this whole thing that's going on, if anybody's not savvy

1681
01:29:27,080 --> 01:29:29,240
Speaker 1: to it. Tom DeLong, who used to be like the

1682
01:29:29,360 --> 01:29:31,400
Speaker 1: I think the guitar player for Blank Win eighty two,

1683
01:29:31,880 --> 01:29:35,600
Speaker 1: uh obsessed with aliens and UFOs. So we established this

1684
01:29:35,640 --> 01:29:38,400
Speaker 1: To the Star's Academy, which is a company that has

1685
01:29:38,439 --> 01:29:42,839
Speaker 1: now hired a lot of legitimate heavyweight you know, heavy hitters.

1686
01:29:42,840 --> 01:29:45,040
Speaker 1: You know Louis Elzando who used to run a tip

1687
01:29:45,080 --> 01:29:47,799
Speaker 1: works from him. Uh, there's a deputy a former deputy

1688
01:29:47,840 --> 01:29:50,840
Speaker 1: director of the CIA on his staff, a number of

1689
01:29:50,880 --> 01:29:53,960
Speaker 1: State Department and CIA officials on his staff. And uh,

1690
01:29:54,160 --> 01:29:57,639
Speaker 1: early on they were really advertising this concept that these

1691
01:29:57,640 --> 01:30:00,760
Speaker 1: people that they had recruited, these four more officials that

1692
01:30:00,800 --> 01:30:03,840
Speaker 1: they had recruited, knew more than they were allowed to

1693
01:30:03,880 --> 01:30:07,320
Speaker 1: tell us. And the idea behind To the Stars was

1694
01:30:07,360 --> 01:30:11,759
Speaker 1: to try to force disclosure from the government of these things.

1695
01:30:12,120 --> 01:30:13,880
Speaker 1: As To the Stars has developed, now there's going to

1696
01:30:13,920 --> 01:30:15,679
Speaker 1: be a new show in the History Channel with them,

1697
01:30:16,439 --> 01:30:19,520
Speaker 1: it seems increasingly like they don't actually have any information

1698
01:30:19,960 --> 01:30:22,960
Speaker 1: that they're trying to release or give anyone. What the

1699
01:30:23,000 --> 01:30:25,160
Speaker 1: funk with the CIA even know about it, like they

1700
01:30:25,200 --> 01:30:30,400
Speaker 1: do strategic intelligence like exactly. You know. So I really

1701
01:30:30,439 --> 01:30:33,040
Speaker 1: think that To the Stars Academy is ultimately maybe a

1702
01:30:33,040 --> 01:30:36,200
Speaker 1: group of government officials who saw bits and pieces of

1703
01:30:36,240 --> 01:30:40,840
Speaker 1: interesting things along trying to you know, and and you know,

1704
01:30:40,880 --> 01:30:43,960
Speaker 1: maybe there really is some really interesting evidence that the

1705
01:30:44,000 --> 01:30:47,120
Speaker 1: government has gathered that is still classified. That seems absolutely

1706
01:30:47,160 --> 01:30:50,160
Speaker 1: possible to me. But I don't think explanations. I don't

1707
01:30:50,160 --> 01:30:52,960
Speaker 1: think that the government knows what this is. If they

1708
01:30:52,960 --> 01:30:55,479
Speaker 1: did know what it was, we wouldn't throw money at it,

1709
01:30:56,280 --> 01:31:00,400
Speaker 1: you know. And if we did, maybe we would throw

1710
01:31:00,400 --> 01:31:02,639
Speaker 1: money at it just for the sake of a disinformation campaign.

1711
01:31:02,720 --> 01:31:04,679
Speaker 1: But even that just seems silly to me. It would

1712
01:31:04,680 --> 01:31:08,080
Speaker 1: be for them to maintain the storyline that they did

1713
01:31:08,080 --> 01:31:11,200
Speaker 1: all through these which is, Uh, if you believe in UFOs,

1714
01:31:11,200 --> 01:31:15,240
Speaker 1: you're only one step away from being a Holocaust denier, right. Uh.

1715
01:31:15,360 --> 01:31:18,760
Speaker 1: The idea that all these their inner links of leaving one,

1716
01:31:19,000 --> 01:31:21,760
Speaker 1: you're crazy and it it makes sense for the military

1717
01:31:21,800 --> 01:31:26,040
Speaker 1: to perpetuate like UFO conspiracies in the sense that it's

1718
01:31:26,040 --> 01:31:28,800
Speaker 1: a good cover for you know, classified programs, because if

1719
01:31:28,840 --> 01:31:32,400
Speaker 1: someone sees no one has traded on that, yeah, yeah,

1720
01:31:32,600 --> 01:31:36,400
Speaker 1: someone sees a flying triangle like oh yeah, man, UFOs.

1721
01:31:38,000 --> 01:31:40,439
Speaker 1: When I was a kid, you know, we had these

1722
01:31:40,479 --> 01:31:43,360
Speaker 1: ideas of like the fighter is what we called it

1723
01:31:43,400 --> 01:31:46,960
Speaker 1: before the United States acknowledged the F one seventeen was

1724
01:31:47,000 --> 01:31:51,519
Speaker 1: an national aircraft. Right, that's a triangle in the sky.

1725
01:31:51,880 --> 01:31:54,000
Speaker 1: We've been doing this for a long time. You know.

1726
01:31:54,320 --> 01:31:56,120
Speaker 1: The best thing that you can do is convince people

1727
01:31:56,160 --> 01:31:58,040
Speaker 1: that we've got a hangerful of aliens out of area

1728
01:31:58,080 --> 01:32:01,400
Speaker 1: fifty one, because then people are looking for UFOs instead

1729
01:32:01,400 --> 01:32:05,080
Speaker 1: of whatever. We were testing. The YouTube, the SR the

1730
01:32:05,160 --> 01:32:08,320
Speaker 1: F one seventeen, all these plant forms got tested out there,

1731
01:32:09,200 --> 01:32:11,840
Speaker 1: but we weren't reporting on that, so that we weren't

1732
01:32:11,840 --> 01:32:15,240
Speaker 1: providing open source intel to the entire world instead, or

1733
01:32:15,320 --> 01:32:17,559
Speaker 1: you know, we were out there looking for bright lights

1734
01:32:17,560 --> 01:32:20,560
Speaker 1: that we could attribute to ET. But it's a great campaign.

1735
01:32:20,680 --> 01:32:26,479
Speaker 1: But for the for the Navy to have pilots um

1736
01:32:26,640 --> 01:32:31,280
Speaker 1: you know, concoct these stories as as disinformation that they

1737
01:32:31,560 --> 01:32:34,800
Speaker 1: just fea it doesn't make sense, like who who, Who's

1738
01:32:34,840 --> 01:32:38,880
Speaker 1: the disinformation waged at, directed at? And to what ends

1739
01:32:39,000 --> 01:32:41,880
Speaker 1: like and to what ends? That's always the important thing

1740
01:32:41,960 --> 01:32:45,000
Speaker 1: to consider is to add to what end like justice

1741
01:32:45,080 --> 01:32:49,640
Speaker 1: motive used the situation get introduced? Doubt I don't. I

1742
01:32:49,960 --> 01:32:54,440
Speaker 1: just can't see that all messaging comes with motive. Anytime,

1743
01:32:54,520 --> 01:32:58,240
Speaker 1: anytime someone with a significant reach send something out there

1744
01:32:58,240 --> 01:33:00,320
Speaker 1: in the world, even if you're a news outlet, whatever

1745
01:33:00,360 --> 01:33:04,040
Speaker 1: you are, all messaging has a motive. Motive isn't inherently nefarious,

1746
01:33:04,200 --> 01:33:07,200
Speaker 1: but there's always a motive present, So what would be

1747
01:33:07,240 --> 01:33:10,400
Speaker 1: the motive there? You know, it's also I think it's

1748
01:33:10,400 --> 01:33:12,760
Speaker 1: fair to ask what's the motive in and telling us

1749
01:33:12,800 --> 01:33:15,280
Speaker 1: anything at all about this and knowing our military to

1750
01:33:15,479 --> 01:33:17,360
Speaker 1: I mean, can you imagine like some guy in a

1751
01:33:17,400 --> 01:33:20,080
Speaker 1: black French coat going to a fighter squadron, like, here's

1752
01:33:20,120 --> 01:33:24,080
Speaker 1: what you're gonna do, boys, They're gonna make up a

1753
01:33:24,120 --> 01:33:26,639
Speaker 1: story of a flying cube and the pilots are gonna

1754
01:33:26,640 --> 01:33:28,840
Speaker 1: look at him like he has a syphilitic dick growing

1755
01:33:28,840 --> 01:33:31,519
Speaker 1: out of his forehead and get the funk out of here. Pal. Yeah,

1756
01:33:31,880 --> 01:33:33,599
Speaker 1: but by the time that dude in the blacks suit

1757
01:33:33,680 --> 01:33:35,679
Speaker 1: left the room, he would have already been on dudes

1758
01:33:35,760 --> 01:33:38,599
Speaker 1: Facebook Live. Their phones were out and they were recording

1759
01:33:38,600 --> 01:33:42,439
Speaker 1: the whole time. You know, Like a couple of months ago,

1760
01:33:42,600 --> 01:33:47,280
Speaker 1: the Marine Corps built a fake Chinese Change J twenty,

1761
01:33:47,479 --> 01:33:49,760
Speaker 1: you know, their their fifth generation fighter that's not all

1762
01:33:49,760 --> 01:33:51,920
Speaker 1: that good. Uh, They built a fake one and it

1763
01:33:52,000 --> 01:33:56,120
Speaker 1: was parked for just like maybe five minutes outside of

1764
01:33:56,200 --> 01:33:58,720
Speaker 1: Hangar in Georgia. Here in Georgia, I want to say

1765
01:33:58,760 --> 01:34:03,200
Speaker 1: this was maybe months ago. They were outside five minutes.

1766
01:34:03,240 --> 01:34:06,280
Speaker 1: I got pictures from three different people of this J

1767
01:34:06,439 --> 01:34:10,280
Speaker 1: twenty because people were like, there's a Chinese fifth generation

1768
01:34:10,400 --> 01:34:13,240
Speaker 1: fighter jet parked in Georgia right now, sending me pictures

1769
01:34:13,280 --> 01:34:16,160
Speaker 1: of this the gate, which is a great outlet if

1770
01:34:16,160 --> 01:34:18,600
Speaker 1: you're a military c ation guy. They beat me to

1771
01:34:18,640 --> 01:34:20,479
Speaker 1: the punch they had. They had a piece up about

1772
01:34:20,479 --> 01:34:24,040
Speaker 1: it maybe fifteen minutes before I did. It took thirty

1773
01:34:24,080 --> 01:34:26,519
Speaker 1: minutes the world to find out that the Marine Corps

1774
01:34:26,560 --> 01:34:29,080
Speaker 1: has built a BOC J twin because they pulled it

1775
01:34:29,120 --> 01:34:30,880
Speaker 1: out of a hangar and parked it there for five minutes.

1776
01:34:30,920 --> 01:34:34,000
Speaker 1: Did they ever figure out why they built it? Yeah?

1777
01:34:34,080 --> 01:34:35,960
Speaker 1: What the Marine Corps was using it for was basically

1778
01:34:35,960 --> 01:34:39,840
Speaker 1: for ptical targeting systems, so that they would have something

1779
01:34:40,280 --> 01:34:44,960
Speaker 1: that's an approximation of the targeting systems against At least

1780
01:34:44,960 --> 01:34:50,200
Speaker 1: that's the story they provided. You're totally feasible it's an

1781
01:34:50,200 --> 01:34:52,760
Speaker 1: operational aircraft. I think that it's just something you can

1782
01:34:52,760 --> 01:34:54,280
Speaker 1: park on the tarmac so that you can fly over

1783
01:34:54,320 --> 01:34:56,760
Speaker 1: it and see how could you shoot it? Uh. But

1784
01:34:56,800 --> 01:34:59,200
Speaker 1: if you can't keep a J twenty a secret, you

1785
01:34:59,200 --> 01:35:02,840
Speaker 1: are not going to keep Roswell a secret. You're not

1786
01:35:02,920 --> 01:35:05,280
Speaker 1: like if if you were telling these pilots to give

1787
01:35:05,360 --> 01:35:08,759
Speaker 1: us this information as a part of a dis info campaign,

1788
01:35:09,000 --> 01:35:12,000
Speaker 1: it's not. It's the same argument of why you couldn't

1789
01:35:12,000 --> 01:35:14,280
Speaker 1: fake the moon landing. You can't take that many people

1790
01:35:14,680 --> 01:35:17,880
Speaker 1: and expect them to never tell the truth, you know,

1791
01:35:18,040 --> 01:35:21,439
Speaker 1: especially when they have searched to gain telling the truth

1792
01:35:21,479 --> 01:35:24,040
Speaker 1: in this situation, Commander Favor, you know, the guy from

1793
01:35:24,040 --> 01:35:26,639
Speaker 1: the two thousand four NMTS incident, or to come out

1794
01:35:26,680 --> 01:35:30,679
Speaker 1: now the government told me to say that to you.

1795
01:35:31,600 --> 01:35:35,200
Speaker 1: That dude would have an immediate multimillion dollar bookill. You know,

1796
01:35:35,520 --> 01:35:38,240
Speaker 1: if he could prove that the government was using him

1797
01:35:38,280 --> 01:35:41,439
Speaker 1: to cover up something to farious by using UFOs, you know,

1798
01:35:41,640 --> 01:35:44,479
Speaker 1: he's gonna get a Time original movie about made about

1799
01:35:44,479 --> 01:35:46,920
Speaker 1: the very least he's gonna do well, you know. So,

1800
01:35:47,320 --> 01:35:49,519
Speaker 1: I I just I can't accept the idea that these

1801
01:35:49,520 --> 01:35:51,920
Speaker 1: guys faking it. I don't think it's bullshit, which begs

1802
01:35:51,960 --> 01:35:54,800
Speaker 1: the question, if not bullshit, what is it? Yeah, I

1803
01:35:54,840 --> 01:35:57,759
Speaker 1: don't know. That's a that's a that boggles the mind.

1804
01:35:58,200 --> 01:36:01,519
Speaker 1: It's one of those things where like I don't dispute

1805
01:36:01,560 --> 01:36:04,559
Speaker 1: that's something. There's some sort of phenomenon taking place. You know,

1806
01:36:04,680 --> 01:36:08,559
Speaker 1: I don't doubt that, but it doesn't make sense. Yeah,

1807
01:36:08,600 --> 01:36:10,200
Speaker 1: Like I keep going, I don't think it's aliens. I

1808
01:36:10,200 --> 01:36:12,599
Speaker 1: don't think it's a natural phenomenon. I don't think it's drones.

1809
01:36:12,640 --> 01:36:14,759
Speaker 1: I don't think it's main aircraft. I don't think it's tchinye.

1810
01:36:14,840 --> 01:36:17,200
Speaker 1: And I don't it's Russian. I don't think it's American.

1811
01:36:17,680 --> 01:36:19,640
Speaker 1: I'm a lot of things that I could think it is.

1812
01:36:20,600 --> 01:36:22,920
Speaker 1: So that means either I'm wrong about one of those,

1813
01:36:23,320 --> 01:36:25,120
Speaker 1: or just like we were talking about, how you know,

1814
01:36:25,120 --> 01:36:27,519
Speaker 1: in Iran or North Korea they can't grasp the concept

1815
01:36:28,000 --> 01:36:31,240
Speaker 1: life outside of their own systems. Maybe we can't grasp

1816
01:36:31,320 --> 01:36:35,600
Speaker 1: the concept or so locked into our concepts of aircraft

1817
01:36:35,640 --> 01:36:38,200
Speaker 1: there that we're not seeing, you know, the forests of

1818
01:36:38,240 --> 01:36:40,400
Speaker 1: the trees. I I don't know. I honestly have no idea,

1819
01:36:40,840 --> 01:36:43,160
Speaker 1: but I'm glad that we're talking about it. You know

1820
01:36:43,600 --> 01:36:46,120
Speaker 1: that if any of the pilots offered any thoughts on

1821
01:36:46,320 --> 01:36:49,240
Speaker 1: what they think they encountered up there, command or favor

1822
01:36:49,280 --> 01:36:51,880
Speaker 1: from the NIM it's incident is now it's been a

1823
01:36:51,920 --> 01:36:54,679
Speaker 1: few years, you know since uh because actually Fighter Sweep

1824
01:36:54,720 --> 01:36:57,040
Speaker 1: believe it or Not, which is another website owned by

1825
01:36:57,080 --> 01:36:59,960
Speaker 1: the same parent company. Fighter Sweep actually broke the nim

1826
01:37:00,000 --> 01:37:03,719
Speaker 1: Its incident years ago. Uh, it got very little attention

1827
01:37:03,800 --> 01:37:07,080
Speaker 1: for that. Yeah, yeah, I got very little attention for it.

1828
01:37:07,120 --> 01:37:11,320
Speaker 1: But it was actually the first outlet with unconfirmed be

1829
01:37:11,640 --> 01:37:14,559
Speaker 1: The pilots that were that spoke to the writer didn't

1830
01:37:14,560 --> 01:37:17,040
Speaker 1: want to provide their names. They didn't want their names published,

1831
01:37:17,479 --> 01:37:19,400
Speaker 1: but the fighters Suit was the first outlet to talk

1832
01:37:19,400 --> 01:37:22,439
Speaker 1: about the name It's incident. But Commander Faber has since

1833
01:37:22,479 --> 01:37:26,080
Speaker 1: now he he says, just like Louis Elazando, they're careful

1834
01:37:26,080 --> 01:37:27,960
Speaker 1: about how they choose their words, but they're like, I

1835
01:37:28,000 --> 01:37:30,000
Speaker 1: don't think it was from Earth. I'm not saying I

1836
01:37:30,040 --> 01:37:32,120
Speaker 1: believe an alien, but I believe and I don't know

1837
01:37:32,120 --> 01:37:33,680
Speaker 1: what I believe in, but I don't think it was

1838
01:37:33,720 --> 01:37:37,400
Speaker 1: from Earth. And I think that that's what we're talking

1839
01:37:37,439 --> 01:37:39,720
Speaker 1: about them coming to the same conclusion that you and

1840
01:37:39,760 --> 01:37:41,760
Speaker 1: I are, which is, you know, I went through this

1841
01:37:41,800 --> 01:37:45,280
Speaker 1: list of things it feasibly could be. It doesn't seem

1842
01:37:45,280 --> 01:37:47,920
Speaker 1: to be any of those things. So what could it be?

1843
01:37:48,240 --> 01:37:50,080
Speaker 1: It doesn't seem to be something from our neck of

1844
01:37:50,120 --> 01:37:53,840
Speaker 1: the woods. If I mean, if if anything, okay, if

1845
01:37:53,840 --> 01:37:57,120
Speaker 1: it did come, if it is not of Earth. You know,

1846
01:37:57,240 --> 01:37:59,880
Speaker 1: we have these ideas about how we would colonize mar

1847
01:38:00,200 --> 01:38:03,559
Speaker 1: like other planets, and probably the way we would do

1848
01:38:03,600 --> 01:38:05,719
Speaker 1: it is send a bunch of robots over there first

1849
01:38:06,320 --> 01:38:08,680
Speaker 1: and like scope the place out, and they would like

1850
01:38:08,800 --> 01:38:11,040
Speaker 1: start building, you know, they would at least start building

1851
01:38:11,080 --> 01:38:13,599
Speaker 1: the buildings and things like that. For us, maybe, if

1852
01:38:13,640 --> 01:38:15,840
Speaker 1: if we were good enough, we would send everything over

1853
01:38:15,880 --> 01:38:18,920
Speaker 1: to start terraforming the planet um and build an atmosphere

1854
01:38:18,960 --> 01:38:21,280
Speaker 1: there so that by the time human beings show up,

1855
01:38:21,800 --> 01:38:24,640
Speaker 1: you know, you have a little colony that's ready to go. Well,

1856
01:38:24,640 --> 01:38:26,920
Speaker 1: it depends on how many layers of tintinfoil you want

1857
01:38:26,920 --> 01:38:29,360
Speaker 1: me to add to my hat. But there is a

1858
01:38:30,000 --> 01:38:33,559
Speaker 1: large contingent of UFO researchers who do believe that that's

1859
01:38:33,600 --> 01:38:37,160
Speaker 1: exactly what's going on. They contend that they would be

1860
01:38:37,200 --> 01:38:40,120
Speaker 1: probing just to see what's here, what could be done,

1861
01:38:40,800 --> 01:38:43,519
Speaker 1: you know. Well, even even further, they think that the

1862
01:38:43,560 --> 01:38:48,280
Speaker 1: reason why so many abduction stories involve sexual tests, like

1863
01:38:49,360 --> 01:38:54,160
Speaker 1: removing women's eggs, making manage jaculate, you know, things like that. Would,

1864
01:38:54,160 --> 01:38:57,600
Speaker 1: they argue, is that the grays, which are like you know,

1865
01:38:57,640 --> 01:39:01,160
Speaker 1: the pop culture aliens. Uh, they argue that they aren't

1866
01:39:01,200 --> 01:39:04,160
Speaker 1: able to live on our planet and are trying to

1867
01:39:04,200 --> 01:39:08,799
Speaker 1: create hybrids that could better survive on our planet. Uh.

1868
01:39:08,880 --> 01:39:10,439
Speaker 1: Now again, this is what I mean about. How many

1869
01:39:10,479 --> 01:39:11,920
Speaker 1: laders of tinfoil do you want to add? This is

1870
01:39:11,920 --> 01:39:15,880
Speaker 1: how every conspiracy eventually ties to one another, And it

1871
01:39:15,920 --> 01:39:19,800
Speaker 1: sounds a sense dan Wright Freudian, I gotta exected by aliens.

1872
01:39:20,080 --> 01:39:24,800
Speaker 1: They made me ejaculate, you know exactly. Lord knows it

1873
01:39:24,840 --> 01:39:29,560
Speaker 1: wasn't a weird dream. You know, I'm not crazy, and

1874
01:39:29,720 --> 01:39:32,960
Speaker 1: you know, but but this is exactly what I mean

1875
01:39:33,120 --> 01:39:36,599
Speaker 1: is that, Uh, you know, any subject, no matter how

1876
01:39:36,640 --> 01:39:38,479
Speaker 1: seriously you want to take it, you can eventually bring

1877
01:39:38,479 --> 01:39:41,880
Speaker 1: back the crackpot stuff. But it's especially easy when you're

1878
01:39:41,920 --> 01:39:44,479
Speaker 1: talking about you. So you and I, You and I

1879
01:39:44,520 --> 01:39:48,200
Speaker 1: are talking about like legitimate reports from from military aviators

1880
01:39:48,360 --> 01:39:51,680
Speaker 1: that are backed up, you know, with with technical information,

1881
01:39:52,000 --> 01:39:54,960
Speaker 1: and we are always just one degree of Kevin Bacon

1882
01:39:55,000 --> 01:39:59,920
Speaker 1: away from you know, the Grays are are fucking us

1883
01:40:00,080 --> 01:40:02,719
Speaker 1: so that they can live here better. And that's why

1884
01:40:02,720 --> 01:40:05,880
Speaker 1: it's so easy to dismiss this subject, because we know

1885
01:40:06,160 --> 01:40:08,960
Speaker 1: so at all that it's so easy to get so

1886
01:40:09,040 --> 01:40:12,360
Speaker 1: weird with it. I mean, if it's if it's accurate,

1887
01:40:12,479 --> 01:40:15,720
Speaker 1: and there are pilots and they're seeing these craft and

1888
01:40:15,720 --> 01:40:20,559
Speaker 1: they're seeing a sphere encased in a transparent cube. My opinion,

1889
01:40:21,840 --> 01:40:23,599
Speaker 1: I mean, I've kind of laid out, but I don't

1890
01:40:23,600 --> 01:40:25,400
Speaker 1: think that's something like that would be US. I don't

1891
01:40:25,400 --> 01:40:27,920
Speaker 1: think it would be any foreign country. I would have

1892
01:40:27,960 --> 01:40:31,439
Speaker 1: to say that, like by process of elimination, that that

1893
01:40:31,439 --> 01:40:33,479
Speaker 1: that must be some sort of a drone that was

1894
01:40:33,560 --> 01:40:36,559
Speaker 1: sent here to basically to scope us out and just

1895
01:40:36,600 --> 01:40:39,240
Speaker 1: see what the hell is going on here? Yes see,

1896
01:40:39,320 --> 01:40:41,680
Speaker 1: And this is my problem because to me, logically, that's

1897
01:40:41,720 --> 01:40:43,800
Speaker 1: the only thing that I can really attribute it to.

1898
01:40:43,920 --> 01:40:46,439
Speaker 1: But I have trouble stomaching saying that's what I think

1899
01:40:46,479 --> 01:40:50,400
Speaker 1: it is. You know, like I have a lot and

1900
01:40:50,560 --> 01:40:52,639
Speaker 1: like i've you know, I've studied this. I actually wrote

1901
01:40:52,720 --> 01:40:54,880
Speaker 1: once for news rep about this. This all started because

1902
01:40:54,880 --> 01:40:58,200
Speaker 1: Stanton Friedman, who just passed away last week. UH. He's

1903
01:40:58,560 --> 01:41:01,960
Speaker 1: he's a renowned UFO researcher. He was a part of

1904
01:41:02,120 --> 01:41:05,880
Speaker 1: legitimate government research efforts for a long time UH and

1905
01:41:06,040 --> 01:41:09,600
Speaker 1: was a devoted skeptic, and through his efforts with the

1906
01:41:09,600 --> 01:41:13,040
Speaker 1: government to investigate some of these reports convinced himself not

1907
01:41:13,120 --> 01:41:15,960
Speaker 1: to be a skeptic. But he always took a very

1908
01:41:16,000 --> 01:41:18,559
Speaker 1: hard lined approach to UFOs, which is why a lot

1909
01:41:18,560 --> 01:41:20,600
Speaker 1: of people don't know his name. Uh he's not a

1910
01:41:20,640 --> 01:41:23,120
Speaker 1: Georgio Souculos who's gonna jell up his hair and say

1911
01:41:23,160 --> 01:41:26,920
Speaker 1: it's aliens, you know. Uh, He's a he's a legitimate,

1912
01:41:26,960 --> 01:41:29,880
Speaker 1: hard nosed researcher. So he's not all that famous because

1913
01:41:30,200 --> 01:41:32,920
Speaker 1: he's reluctant to say things that are crazy. All right,

1914
01:41:33,360 --> 01:41:35,479
Speaker 1: or was excuse me? He just passed away. But I

1915
01:41:35,520 --> 01:41:38,479
Speaker 1: had the opportunity. I was in a Talented and Gifted

1916
01:41:38,640 --> 01:41:41,120
Speaker 1: class for my writing when I was in like fifth grade,

1917
01:41:41,680 --> 01:41:43,240
Speaker 1: and uh, we had to choose what we were going

1918
01:41:43,280 --> 01:41:45,519
Speaker 1: to write our reports about. I just chose you flying

1919
01:41:45,560 --> 01:41:47,920
Speaker 1: saucers and UFOs because I thought they were cool. And

1920
01:41:47,960 --> 01:41:50,200
Speaker 1: I called him, and he took my call to us

1921
01:41:50,200 --> 01:41:53,280
Speaker 1: and me a bunch of stuff, and it was a

1922
01:41:53,320 --> 01:41:55,360
Speaker 1: really really nice guy. I'm like, I was like an

1923
01:41:55,360 --> 01:41:57,160
Speaker 1: eleven year old. He didn't need to talk to me,

1924
01:41:57,280 --> 01:42:00,439
Speaker 1: you know, And uh, it sent me. I would say skating,

1925
01:42:00,760 --> 01:42:04,280
Speaker 1: you know, like for years to come. But the truth

1926
01:42:04,320 --> 01:42:07,400
Speaker 1: of the matter is that this is something that we've

1927
01:42:07,439 --> 01:42:12,759
Speaker 1: been talking about, uh, through artwork since we started making artwork.

1928
01:42:13,960 --> 01:42:16,080
Speaker 1: You know. That's not to say that whatever people were

1929
01:42:16,160 --> 01:42:18,200
Speaker 1: drawing in cave paintings are the same things that we're

1930
01:42:18,240 --> 01:42:20,479
Speaker 1: spotting in the skies now. But what it is to

1931
01:42:20,479 --> 01:42:22,519
Speaker 1: say is that we've always wondered about the weird ship

1932
01:42:22,600 --> 01:42:26,439
Speaker 1: we see in the sky, you know, and uh, now

1933
01:42:26,920 --> 01:42:29,839
Speaker 1: we may be better suited than ever to actually understand

1934
01:42:29,880 --> 01:42:32,280
Speaker 1: what it is, but there's a solid possibility that we're

1935
01:42:32,320 --> 01:42:36,400
Speaker 1: still not there. You know, it might be you know, uh,

1936
01:42:37,320 --> 01:42:41,640
Speaker 1: sufficiently advanced technology is indiscernible from magic, right, Uh, it

1937
01:42:41,760 --> 01:42:43,720
Speaker 1: may well be if you're right, you know, if if

1938
01:42:44,360 --> 01:42:46,800
Speaker 1: the logical explanation is that this is a drone from

1939
01:42:46,800 --> 01:42:51,799
Speaker 1: something else. Uh, it might seem so impossible, just because

1940
01:42:52,320 --> 01:42:56,040
Speaker 1: if your civilization started evolving a million years before ours,

1941
01:42:56,360 --> 01:42:59,840
Speaker 1: your technology would be indiscernible from magic to us. You know.

1942
01:43:01,000 --> 01:43:03,800
Speaker 1: I just I have trouble. It's the same way. You know,

1943
01:43:03,920 --> 01:43:06,479
Speaker 1: I'm happy to read about and discuss ghosts, but I

1944
01:43:06,479 --> 01:43:10,080
Speaker 1: don't know that I believe in God, even let alone ghosts. Uh.

1945
01:43:10,080 --> 01:43:12,800
Speaker 1: It's because it's a it's a worthwhile exploration of how

1946
01:43:12,840 --> 01:43:15,320
Speaker 1: we perceive the world around us, even if it turns

1947
01:43:15,320 --> 01:43:18,600
Speaker 1: out to be bullshit, you know, in this case, I

1948
01:43:18,640 --> 01:43:21,080
Speaker 1: don't think it's bullshit though, I mean these these uh,

1949
01:43:21,120 --> 01:43:23,840
Speaker 1: these reports, I mean, this footage isn't bullshit if you

1950
01:43:23,840 --> 01:43:26,000
Speaker 1: ask me, I don't know what it is though. I mean,

1951
01:43:26,520 --> 01:43:28,400
Speaker 1: if it's not from Earth, I mean, that is like

1952
01:43:28,439 --> 01:43:32,000
Speaker 1: the biggest paradigm shifting discovery and human history by far.

1953
01:43:32,640 --> 01:43:35,280
Speaker 1: And that's the reason why we're never going to conclude

1954
01:43:35,439 --> 01:43:39,680
Speaker 1: that it's not from Earth until we have no choice

1955
01:43:39,760 --> 01:43:43,920
Speaker 1: but but to conclude that, you know, and movies and stuff,

1956
01:43:43,920 --> 01:43:46,840
Speaker 1: it always seems like the aliens arrive and we all go, oh, ship,

1957
01:43:46,880 --> 01:43:49,760
Speaker 1: there's aliens. Now. Uh. In real life, the aliens would

1958
01:43:49,800 --> 01:43:51,800
Speaker 1: arrive and half the world would immediately believe that it

1959
01:43:51,880 --> 01:43:54,880
Speaker 1: was the United States doing something crazy, or this is

1960
01:43:54,880 --> 01:43:58,200
Speaker 1: part of Russia's strategy, or it's the New World Order

1961
01:43:58,240 --> 01:44:01,000
Speaker 1: and the Illuminati and these are hot Grahams. I mean,

1962
01:44:01,040 --> 01:44:04,240
Speaker 1: if we if we are to speculate about you know, civilization,

1963
01:44:04,280 --> 01:44:07,439
Speaker 1: that you entered their process of evolution a million years

1964
01:44:07,439 --> 01:44:11,040
Speaker 1: prior to us, I mean, we we also have to

1965
01:44:11,040 --> 01:44:14,720
Speaker 1: think about, you know, maybe that civilization exists only as

1966
01:44:14,840 --> 01:44:17,880
Speaker 1: artificial intelligence today, like maybe they did give up, you know,

1967
01:44:17,960 --> 01:44:20,519
Speaker 1: they have moved into a new stage of life forms

1968
01:44:20,600 --> 01:44:24,040
Speaker 1: or whatever the funk. I don't know, it seems absolutely feasible,

1969
01:44:24,080 --> 01:44:26,280
Speaker 1: you know, like if you just but again, you know,

1970
01:44:26,320 --> 01:44:29,920
Speaker 1: we're limited by our by our ideas of what life

1971
01:44:30,000 --> 01:44:33,400
Speaker 1: is to you know what I mean. But I guess

1972
01:44:33,400 --> 01:44:35,439
Speaker 1: that's what it really comes down to, is that it's

1973
01:44:35,520 --> 01:44:36,880
Speaker 1: kind of like, you know, because I know, you've written

1974
01:44:36,920 --> 01:44:40,120
Speaker 1: a lot of fiction. Right before you sit down to

1975
01:44:40,160 --> 01:44:44,040
Speaker 1: write a novel, literally anything could happen in that novel,

1976
01:44:44,120 --> 01:44:46,479
Speaker 1: and that's what stops a lot of fiction writers from starting.

1977
01:44:46,520 --> 01:44:49,680
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, right, because you have a million ideas, but

1978
01:44:49,720 --> 01:44:51,599
Speaker 1: none of them really seemed to go together all that well,

1979
01:44:52,520 --> 01:44:54,280
Speaker 1: you know, so you just kind of like you, I

1980
01:44:54,280 --> 01:44:56,760
Speaker 1: don't know what to do, someone to do nothing. That's

1981
01:44:56,760 --> 01:44:59,040
Speaker 1: where we're at with UFOs is that we know so

1982
01:44:59,120 --> 01:45:02,720
Speaker 1: little about what the all this is, uh that some

1983
01:45:02,760 --> 01:45:05,599
Speaker 1: people just go, uh, it doesn't make any sense. You know.

1984
01:45:06,439 --> 01:45:08,679
Speaker 1: There's a thing this is a little unrelated. Phantom time

1985
01:45:08,720 --> 01:45:13,120
Speaker 1: theory is the idea that uh, during Charlemagne's reign, uh,

1986
01:45:13,160 --> 01:45:17,080
Speaker 1: he and the Church had control over so much of

1987
01:45:17,120 --> 01:45:21,960
Speaker 1: the Western literate population that they actually invented about a

1988
01:45:22,000 --> 01:45:24,840
Speaker 1: hundred and eighty years of history that painted them in

1989
01:45:24,880 --> 01:45:28,800
Speaker 1: a in a better place. Uh. And because all we

1990
01:45:28,840 --> 01:45:31,200
Speaker 1: can really do for history at that of that era

1991
01:45:31,360 --> 01:45:34,000
Speaker 1: is trust. If we get six different sources that all,

1992
01:45:34,520 --> 01:45:36,720
Speaker 1: you know, say the same thing happened, we assume it

1993
01:45:36,800 --> 01:45:40,960
Speaker 1: just happened. You know. But if of all the literate

1994
01:45:41,000 --> 01:45:43,040
Speaker 1: people in the world are your employee, you can have

1995
01:45:43,080 --> 01:45:45,439
Speaker 1: them write anything that you want. Again, this is one

1996
01:45:45,479 --> 01:45:48,320
Speaker 1: of those things that doesn't necessarily I'm not necessarily saying

1997
01:45:48,360 --> 01:45:50,360
Speaker 1: I believe it's true. It's an interesting idea, but when

1998
01:45:50,400 --> 01:45:52,680
Speaker 1: I talked to my wife about it, she just goes, no,

1999
01:45:53,640 --> 01:45:57,000
Speaker 1: you can't invent time. Time just stays steady. I don't

2000
01:45:57,000 --> 01:45:58,920
Speaker 1: want to wrap my head around this. I'm turning it off.

2001
01:45:59,600 --> 01:46:01,519
Speaker 1: It's a conversations you won't know. It's like one of

2002
01:46:01,520 --> 01:46:04,320
Speaker 1: the like if somebody like pol Pot or you know,

2003
01:46:04,400 --> 01:46:07,200
Speaker 1: even if the Chinese government is successful in some of

2004
01:46:07,200 --> 01:46:11,880
Speaker 1: their endeavors and what amounts to social engineering and human engineering.

2005
01:46:11,920 --> 01:46:16,479
Speaker 1: I mean, it seems totally possible. It wasn't like George

2006
01:46:16,600 --> 01:46:18,439
Speaker 1: Orwell wrote about that kind of stuff. Like, you know,

2007
01:46:18,439 --> 01:46:20,759
Speaker 1: if you control the past, you know, if you control

2008
01:46:20,840 --> 01:46:23,280
Speaker 1: the present. You can rewrite the past and control the future.

2009
01:46:23,800 --> 01:46:26,000
Speaker 1: You know, Attil of the Hunt wasn't that great a

2010
01:46:26,040 --> 01:46:30,000
Speaker 1: military leader. He was effective, but he didn't become a

2011
01:46:30,120 --> 01:46:34,360
Speaker 1: legend until almost two generations after he was defeated. And

2012
01:46:34,400 --> 01:46:37,280
Speaker 1: it was the family of the general that defeated him

2013
01:46:37,320 --> 01:46:41,320
Speaker 1: that made him a legend. Up their accomplishments, exactly. They

2014
01:46:41,320 --> 01:46:43,760
Speaker 1: were a prominent family, and they made themselves all the

2015
01:46:43,800 --> 01:46:47,080
Speaker 1: more prominent by by painting this image of Attil of

2016
01:46:47,080 --> 01:46:52,360
Speaker 1: the Hunt as the most incredible military leader of that generation,

2017
01:46:52,760 --> 01:46:56,680
Speaker 1: defeated by our grandfather, you know. And so when you

2018
01:46:56,720 --> 01:46:58,599
Speaker 1: think about the power that that had, you know, when

2019
01:46:58,640 --> 01:47:00,920
Speaker 1: you think about the fact that here in America, parents

2020
01:47:00,960 --> 01:47:03,160
Speaker 1: still tell their kids that carrots are good for their eyes,

2021
01:47:03,680 --> 01:47:07,040
Speaker 1: when that's all just a product of a World War

2022
01:47:07,120 --> 01:47:11,120
Speaker 1: two era UK propaganda campaign, and there's no basis behind

2023
01:47:11,160 --> 01:47:13,559
Speaker 1: the idea that parents will help your night vision at

2024
01:47:13,560 --> 01:47:16,360
Speaker 1: all other than if you have a B twelve deficiency

2025
01:47:16,439 --> 01:47:20,000
Speaker 1: you'll have trouble seeing. But we still believe it's true

2026
01:47:20,040 --> 01:47:23,639
Speaker 1: because that's how heavily culture informs the way we see

2027
01:47:23,680 --> 01:47:28,559
Speaker 1: the world. You know. Damn dude, Well, this is some

2028
01:47:28,680 --> 01:47:31,920
Speaker 1: crazy ship that we usually don't get into on the podcast.

2029
01:47:31,960 --> 01:47:34,200
Speaker 1: I know, this podcast, like it's usually military stuff and

2030
01:47:34,200 --> 01:47:35,880
Speaker 1: then you guys let me on and I really drug

2031
01:47:35,880 --> 01:47:37,920
Speaker 1: you down into the gutter here. No, No, I mean

2032
01:47:38,479 --> 01:47:40,519
Speaker 1: I agree with you that, Like I'm glad that there

2033
01:47:40,760 --> 01:47:43,880
Speaker 1: and I'm actually I would definitely welcome any kind of

2034
01:47:43,920 --> 01:47:47,720
Speaker 1: like serious scientific scrutiny on the on this you know,

2035
01:47:47,880 --> 01:47:50,160
Speaker 1: UFO phenomenon to try to figure out, you know, what

2036
01:47:50,200 --> 01:47:53,840
Speaker 1: the funk it really is, and you know, and you know,

2037
01:47:53,840 --> 01:47:56,360
Speaker 1: maybe it'll end up keeping our fighter pilots out of

2038
01:47:56,360 --> 01:47:59,559
Speaker 1: trouble too. Um, it sounds like some dangerous scenarios that

2039
01:47:59,600 --> 01:48:04,400
Speaker 1: are happening up there. I mean, I guess you know

2040
01:48:04,439 --> 01:48:06,120
Speaker 1: what I mean, This is the problem I have is

2041
01:48:06,120 --> 01:48:09,240
Speaker 1: that are they dangerous scenarios? Is you know, and is

2042
01:48:09,280 --> 01:48:12,000
Speaker 1: this real? You know? Are they optical illusions? Is that

2043
01:48:12,120 --> 01:48:15,200
Speaker 1: nothing more than light tricks of light? Who knows? Man?

2044
01:48:15,240 --> 01:48:17,680
Speaker 1: And then but but like you said, I'm glad that

2045
01:48:17,720 --> 01:48:20,080
Speaker 1: people are looking into it because if it does pose

2046
01:48:20,080 --> 01:48:22,960
Speaker 1: a threat, if it really does pose a threat to

2047
01:48:23,000 --> 01:48:26,240
Speaker 1: America sovereignty, or we can get crazy with it and

2048
01:48:26,240 --> 01:48:30,639
Speaker 1: say global sovereignty, that's a that's a legitimate concern that

2049
01:48:31,080 --> 01:48:34,720
Speaker 1: might sound out landish right up until it's on your doorstep,

2050
01:48:35,600 --> 01:48:37,360
Speaker 1: you know. And there was a certain there was a

2051
01:48:37,400 --> 01:48:40,160
Speaker 1: time when we would have thought that terrorists hijacking commercial

2052
01:48:40,200 --> 01:48:42,720
Speaker 1: airplanes and flying them into the World Trade Center was

2053
01:48:42,760 --> 01:48:46,439
Speaker 1: an outlandish and impossible thing. You know, there's a reason

2054
01:48:46,439 --> 01:48:49,320
Speaker 1: why the Oklahoma City bombing was able to happen because

2055
01:48:49,360 --> 01:48:51,759
Speaker 1: the cameras on the outside weren't actually hooked up to anything.

2056
01:48:52,120 --> 01:48:54,240
Speaker 1: They had saved a bunch of money in building construction

2057
01:48:54,280 --> 01:48:56,519
Speaker 1: because they didn't want the building to look scary, and

2058
01:48:56,520 --> 01:48:58,759
Speaker 1: that's why so many children died in the blast, because

2059
01:48:58,760 --> 01:49:04,000
Speaker 1: it seemed absolutely impossible that an American man would park

2060
01:49:04,040 --> 01:49:07,040
Speaker 1: a U hall full of explosives out front and walk away.

2061
01:49:07,640 --> 01:49:11,040
Speaker 1: You know, we can't afford to ignore threats, even if

2062
01:49:11,040 --> 01:49:13,800
Speaker 1: they seem impossible. And I'm not saying that I believe

2063
01:49:13,840 --> 01:49:15,640
Speaker 1: that Martians are here, and I'm not saying that I

2064
01:49:15,680 --> 01:49:18,559
Speaker 1: believe that UFOs are a threat, but I am saying

2065
01:49:18,560 --> 01:49:21,080
Speaker 1: that if they are, we owe it to ourselves to

2066
01:49:21,080 --> 01:49:23,800
Speaker 1: take a look. You know, if they are, I mean,

2067
01:49:23,920 --> 01:49:26,680
Speaker 1: I just hope that they you know, make me ejaculate,

2068
01:49:26,800 --> 01:49:28,559
Speaker 1: don't do any of that other crazy stuff to me.

2069
01:49:29,080 --> 01:49:30,680
Speaker 1: We'll tell you what if they do come here, We're

2070
01:49:30,680 --> 01:49:32,559
Speaker 1: not going to be dealing with like an interstellar army

2071
01:49:32,600 --> 01:49:34,840
Speaker 1: like the movies always say, it'll be the fucking organ man.

2072
01:49:35,040 --> 01:49:37,880
Speaker 1: It'll be you know, like if they're capable of getting here,

2073
01:49:37,920 --> 01:49:39,439
Speaker 1: they're not gonna need to come down here and fight

2074
01:49:39,520 --> 01:49:41,880
Speaker 1: us with space rifles. Yeah, it'll be like fan us.

2075
01:49:42,439 --> 01:49:45,720
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. Fingers were all dead. Yeah, So so I

2076
01:49:45,760 --> 01:49:47,519
Speaker 1: hope for the best. Let's just hope that they're here

2077
01:49:47,560 --> 01:49:50,800
Speaker 1: to tag and release. My friend, my friend was telling

2078
01:49:50,840 --> 01:49:54,519
Speaker 1: me he's a he's a rocket scientist, and he, uh,

2079
01:49:54,680 --> 01:49:56,840
Speaker 1: he was. You remember a few years ago where the

2080
01:49:56,880 --> 01:49:59,320
Speaker 1: astronomers found a star and they were wondering if it

2081
01:49:59,400 --> 01:50:01,360
Speaker 1: was really a Acen sphere that that was like a

2082
01:50:01,439 --> 01:50:04,360
Speaker 1: period because it was like it was pulsing at an

2083
01:50:04,360 --> 01:50:08,599
Speaker 1: irregular rate consistently, right, something like that. And my friend

2084
01:50:08,640 --> 01:50:10,600
Speaker 1: was tell me, he's like, dude, if they really discovered

2085
01:50:10,600 --> 01:50:12,680
Speaker 1: a Dyson sphere, He's like, just get down on your

2086
01:50:12,760 --> 01:50:15,680
Speaker 1: knees and worship your new ruler because it's it's game over.

2087
01:50:16,640 --> 01:50:18,920
Speaker 1: Uh in a Dicen sphere for like people who don't

2088
01:50:18,960 --> 01:50:21,560
Speaker 1: know like what it would be like an artificial construct

2089
01:50:21,960 --> 01:50:26,360
Speaker 1: um built around a sun, like you wouldn't encapsulate an

2090
01:50:26,520 --> 01:50:29,840
Speaker 1: entire star, and then you would and you would build

2091
01:50:29,880 --> 01:50:33,680
Speaker 1: your civilization problem like somewhere inside that sphere for you

2092
01:50:33,760 --> 01:50:36,519
Speaker 1: start trek the Next Generation fans, there's one episode where

2093
01:50:36,600 --> 01:50:39,840
Speaker 1: Scotty from the original series was trapped h in a

2094
01:50:39,840 --> 01:50:43,040
Speaker 1: shuttlecraft that got sucked into the gravitational pull from a

2095
01:50:43,080 --> 01:50:46,320
Speaker 1: Dicen sphere. Uh. And as silly as all that sounds,

2096
01:50:46,320 --> 01:50:48,120
Speaker 1: it does give you a fun way to look at

2097
01:50:48,160 --> 01:50:50,439
Speaker 1: the scope of what a Dycen sphere would have to be.

2098
01:50:50,880 --> 01:50:54,920
Speaker 1: It would have to be literally, uh, something built physically

2099
01:50:55,120 --> 01:50:59,120
Speaker 1: that would be about the size of Earth's orbit. You know.

2100
01:50:59,240 --> 01:51:03,000
Speaker 1: That's but so if if a civilization were capable of that,

2101
01:51:03,200 --> 01:51:08,000
Speaker 1: they're capable of anything. Yeah, yeah, you're done. It's game over, man. Yeah.

2102
01:51:08,040 --> 01:51:10,360
Speaker 1: The the idea that we would be fighting them with

2103
01:51:10,800 --> 01:51:13,120
Speaker 1: fighter jets like we are an independence day is an

2104
01:51:13,160 --> 01:51:16,920
Speaker 1: absolutely ludicrous proposition. We already know how to kill everyone

2105
01:51:16,960 --> 01:51:21,760
Speaker 1: on Earth with our technology. You know, Like, if you

2106
01:51:21,760 --> 01:51:23,599
Speaker 1: think that they're gonna come here with something that won't

2107
01:51:23,640 --> 01:51:28,559
Speaker 1: work as well as nuclear weapons, you know, it's it's again,

2108
01:51:28,600 --> 01:51:31,559
Speaker 1: it's you know, not American human ego, right, we're we're

2109
01:51:31,600 --> 01:51:33,599
Speaker 1: big brained monkeys, but we think that we're much more

2110
01:51:33,640 --> 01:51:36,720
Speaker 1: special than that. Yeah, we like to anthropomorphosize, you know,

2111
01:51:36,760 --> 01:51:40,040
Speaker 1: these sorts of threats as well, you know. Um So,

2112
01:51:40,439 --> 01:51:43,800
Speaker 1: anyway to wrap things up, did you go and see

2113
01:51:43,960 --> 01:51:48,160
Speaker 1: Endgame yet? I did? I actually will just between I

2114
01:51:48,280 --> 01:51:51,120
Speaker 1: may have seen it a little bit illegally, you know

2115
01:51:51,160 --> 01:51:53,120
Speaker 1: how it is, being a parent, But uh, yeah, I

2116
01:51:53,320 --> 01:51:58,200
Speaker 1: honestly I loved it. It wasn't I guess it wasn't

2117
01:51:58,240 --> 01:52:01,000
Speaker 1: the story that I expected, and that's why I loved it.

2118
01:52:01,080 --> 01:52:02,720
Speaker 1: But yeah, I loved it. What do you think I

2119
01:52:02,800 --> 01:52:06,120
Speaker 1: liked it and saw it last week or no, I

2120
01:52:06,120 --> 01:52:09,519
Speaker 1: saw it on over the weekend, and no, I liked it.

2121
01:52:09,560 --> 01:52:13,400
Speaker 1: I thought it was pretty good. Um, time travel plots

2122
01:52:13,400 --> 01:52:16,240
Speaker 1: are always kind of difficult to maneuver. I think my

2123
01:52:16,320 --> 01:52:19,479
Speaker 1: favorite it's still the X Men Days of the Future past.

2124
01:52:19,520 --> 01:52:21,439
Speaker 1: I like that a little bit better as far as

2125
01:52:21,560 --> 01:52:25,360
Speaker 1: like the time travel aspect. But game was good. End

2126
01:52:25,360 --> 01:52:27,839
Speaker 1: Game was good. I did not, like, you know, spoilers

2127
01:52:27,840 --> 01:52:29,800
Speaker 1: for anybody who hasn't seen that game. I didn't like

2128
01:52:30,000 --> 01:52:34,479
Speaker 1: caps conclusion didn't. I didn't, you know, in a weird way,

2129
01:52:34,520 --> 01:52:36,400
Speaker 1: it made me sadder than any of the rest of it.

2130
01:52:36,439 --> 01:52:38,120
Speaker 1: But that was why I didn't like it, because it

2131
01:52:38,320 --> 01:52:41,760
Speaker 1: begged a lot of like really weird, hard questions, like

2132
01:52:42,400 --> 01:52:45,080
Speaker 1: how how did he manage to maintain a relationship with

2133
01:52:45,120 --> 01:52:48,000
Speaker 1: his wife without telling her about nine eleven, you know

2134
01:52:48,000 --> 01:52:51,639
Speaker 1: what I mean, or like trying in any way. It

2135
01:52:51,640 --> 01:52:53,719
Speaker 1: would have been really hard for him to be Captain

2136
01:52:53,760 --> 01:52:59,280
Speaker 1: America living through all the disasters that fell America without

2137
01:52:59,280 --> 01:53:02,640
Speaker 1: ever getting into of it all. But other than that,

2138
01:53:02,680 --> 01:53:05,080
Speaker 1: I thought I did like that he got a good store,

2139
01:53:05,120 --> 01:53:06,640
Speaker 1: a good ending. But you know what I mean, I

2140
01:53:06,840 --> 01:53:09,799
Speaker 1: got the impression that like he was just like going

2141
01:53:09,840 --> 01:53:11,680
Speaker 1: off grid, like he was just gonna live with his

2142
01:53:11,720 --> 01:53:14,080
Speaker 1: old lady, you know, and the with a white picket

2143
01:53:14,080 --> 01:53:17,320
Speaker 1: fence and like never read the newspaper and like, which, honestly, man,

2144
01:53:17,600 --> 01:53:20,040
Speaker 1: that sounds good. I wouldn't mind doing that myself. Yeah,

2145
01:53:20,200 --> 01:53:22,639
Speaker 1: there were all kinds of like little potholes and stuff

2146
01:53:22,640 --> 01:53:25,800
Speaker 1: like that, Like how come when you get the Infinity

2147
01:53:25,840 --> 01:53:28,120
Speaker 1: Gauntlet or whatever the funk it is, like how you

2148
01:53:28,120 --> 01:53:31,320
Speaker 1: can wish whatever you want. It's like the ultimate god weapon,

2149
01:53:31,880 --> 01:53:35,000
Speaker 1: but you can bring half the world's population back to life.

2150
01:53:35,000 --> 01:53:36,840
Speaker 1: But then there are these other people you can't bring

2151
01:53:36,840 --> 01:53:39,200
Speaker 1: back to life, like how the fund does that work? Well,

2152
01:53:39,200 --> 01:53:41,320
Speaker 1: you know, the same way the Red Skull, you know,

2153
01:53:41,360 --> 01:53:44,920
Speaker 1: and and the First Avenger. The Red Skull grabbed one

2154
01:53:44,920 --> 01:53:47,280
Speaker 1: of the Infinity Stones and was immediately sucked off to

2155
01:53:47,400 --> 01:53:49,800
Speaker 1: dormy or or whatever to just be like a sad

2156
01:53:49,800 --> 01:53:52,200
Speaker 1: old man that takes people to watch them kill their daughters.

2157
01:53:53,200 --> 01:53:57,160
Speaker 1: But then which infers that these Infinity Stones have some

2158
01:53:57,280 --> 01:54:02,559
Speaker 1: level of intelligence or autonomy, but then they don't have

2159
01:54:02,600 --> 01:54:04,840
Speaker 1: any say and whether or not thanos Usism to destroy

2160
01:54:04,920 --> 01:54:08,920
Speaker 1: the universe, you know. It's uh, it's true. There's definitely

2161
01:54:08,920 --> 01:54:11,479
Speaker 1: some plot holes. But I try my best when I'm

2162
01:54:11,479 --> 01:54:13,479
Speaker 1: watching movies like that, I try my best to talk

2163
01:54:13,520 --> 01:54:15,840
Speaker 1: myself out of plot holes, because how do you make

2164
01:54:15,840 --> 01:54:19,559
Speaker 1: twenty two movies without creating a lot of them? You know? Uh,

2165
01:54:19,600 --> 01:54:22,320
Speaker 1: And I like liking things, you know, so I tried

2166
01:54:22,400 --> 01:54:24,120
Speaker 1: my best to be like I just ignore that and

2167
01:54:24,200 --> 01:54:26,679
Speaker 1: keep going. Yeah, yeah, I know there are some parts

2168
01:54:26,720 --> 01:54:29,000
Speaker 1: that didn't really make sense, but I guess they were

2169
01:54:29,120 --> 01:54:32,200
Speaker 1: kind of pointing up on, you know, the the idea

2170
01:54:32,280 --> 01:54:35,640
Speaker 1: that time isn't necessarily a place, so like there are

2171
01:54:35,640 --> 01:54:38,400
Speaker 1: all these theories about traveling laterally through time rather than

2172
01:54:38,440 --> 01:54:40,920
Speaker 1: back and forth. So it's like you're actually going to

2173
01:54:40,960 --> 01:54:45,800
Speaker 1: another dimension essentially, um, but where it's like a parallel timeline,

2174
01:54:45,920 --> 01:54:48,400
Speaker 1: you're not really literally going back into your past. Like

2175
01:54:48,480 --> 01:54:51,520
Speaker 1: that's that's actually not possible. Yeah, which I think is

2176
01:54:51,560 --> 01:54:53,720
Speaker 1: one of my favorite theories for time travel in general.

2177
01:54:53,920 --> 01:54:55,720
Speaker 1: But I think what I liked about that too is

2178
01:54:55,760 --> 01:54:59,040
Speaker 1: that they did incorporate a lot of like scientific theory,

2179
01:54:59,600 --> 01:55:03,960
Speaker 1: but it was also an absolutely almost ludicrous idea, you know,

2180
01:55:04,360 --> 01:55:06,280
Speaker 1: which is a lot more like the comic books, you

2181
01:55:06,320 --> 01:55:09,000
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Like it bridged the gap between

2182
01:55:09,000 --> 01:55:11,320
Speaker 1: the movie world and the comic book world for me

2183
01:55:11,400 --> 01:55:14,360
Speaker 1: in a way that that I could accept. Admittedly, I'm

2184
01:55:14,400 --> 01:55:16,440
Speaker 1: gonna need to watch it again a little more sober

2185
01:55:16,680 --> 01:55:19,800
Speaker 1: to come up with some like with like a real

2186
01:55:20,000 --> 01:55:22,880
Speaker 1: legitimate review. Yeah. Now, I thought it was a good

2187
01:55:22,880 --> 01:55:25,280
Speaker 1: way to like wrap up this series because, you know,

2188
01:55:25,440 --> 01:55:28,160
Speaker 1: throwing the time travel stuff in them, it allowed them

2189
01:55:28,160 --> 01:55:32,000
Speaker 1: to like revisit all of these different moments um throughout

2190
01:55:32,000 --> 01:55:35,120
Speaker 1: the whole like Avengers Timeline and all the Marvel Universe

2191
01:55:35,200 --> 01:55:37,040
Speaker 1: movies and stuff like that and kind of like wrap

2192
01:55:37,080 --> 01:55:39,920
Speaker 1: it all up, um and like and also like they

2193
01:55:40,000 --> 01:55:42,960
Speaker 1: revisited some past scenes with a different spin on them

2194
01:55:43,000 --> 01:55:44,360
Speaker 1: and things like that. It was it was kind of

2195
01:55:44,400 --> 01:55:47,320
Speaker 1: cool how they did that. Yeah, and I liked Robert

2196
01:55:47,320 --> 01:55:50,360
Speaker 1: Downey Junior's departure, you know, I really, honestly though, I

2197
01:55:50,360 --> 01:55:53,560
Speaker 1: expected him to live through the end, just because, uh,

2198
01:55:53,600 --> 01:55:56,520
Speaker 1: he makes so much money in these movies. I figured

2199
01:55:56,520 --> 01:55:58,040
Speaker 1: he'd want to stick around and keep doing it for

2200
01:55:58,080 --> 01:55:59,960
Speaker 1: as long as he could. Yeah, I don't know if

2201
01:56:00,200 --> 01:56:02,800
Speaker 1: I don't know if that was his decision or the studios.

2202
01:56:02,920 --> 01:56:05,640
Speaker 1: I think Captain America was that the actor's name. I

2203
01:56:05,640 --> 01:56:08,080
Speaker 1: think he was done. He was seven, So, I mean,

2204
01:56:08,120 --> 01:56:10,000
Speaker 1: can you imagine having to keep your body fat that

2205
01:56:10,080 --> 01:56:13,360
Speaker 1: low for this long? I would hate it. You know,

2206
01:56:13,680 --> 01:56:16,240
Speaker 1: what's his face? Hem's worth? I'm sure I was wearing

2207
01:56:16,240 --> 01:56:19,760
Speaker 1: a body suit though. Yeah. Well, honestly, I think he's

2208
01:56:19,800 --> 01:56:23,680
Speaker 1: one of the few guys from the original like Avengers Crew.

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01:56:23,720 --> 01:56:25,960
Speaker 1: I think that will probably. I think we're going to

2210
01:56:26,000 --> 01:56:28,640
Speaker 1: get a thor four because thor one and two weren't

2211
01:56:28,640 --> 01:56:33,120
Speaker 1: all that good. Ragnarok was fucking awesome. It was great.

2212
01:56:33,200 --> 01:56:35,680
Speaker 1: He's gonna end up with the because the last the

2213
01:56:35,760 --> 01:56:37,320
Speaker 1: last we see of him, he's with the Guardians of

2214
01:56:37,320 --> 01:56:39,640
Speaker 1: the Gay So it's gonna be like the the as

2215
01:56:39,680 --> 01:56:41,480
Speaker 1: Guardians of the Galaxies, and that's his new role. He's

2216
01:56:41,480 --> 01:56:44,440
Speaker 1: gonna be like the the fat, funny guy on the ship,

2217
01:56:44,480 --> 01:56:46,480
Speaker 1: which is which is awesome. And the as Guardians of

2218
01:56:46,480 --> 01:56:48,400
Speaker 1: the Galaxy really was a comic book for a while.

2219
01:56:48,440 --> 01:56:51,000
Speaker 1: It was different. I think it is again now? Is

2220
01:56:51,000 --> 01:56:53,800
Speaker 1: it again now? So maybe you guys are right about that.

2221
01:56:54,560 --> 01:56:58,360
Speaker 1: Um I actually, uh, I've seen Hemsworth in person. He's

2222
01:56:58,360 --> 01:57:01,040
Speaker 1: actually a really small guy, like really yeah. In the

2223
01:57:01,080 --> 01:57:05,440
Speaker 1: movies he looks fucking jacked, and I'm sure, I'm sure

2224
01:57:05,440 --> 01:57:07,040
Speaker 1: he's in really good shape, you know, and and that

2225
01:57:07,120 --> 01:57:09,600
Speaker 1: when he does the films and stuff. But like he's

2226
01:57:09,640 --> 01:57:13,280
Speaker 1: just like a short, skinny guy. Yeah. That's always because

2227
01:57:13,360 --> 01:57:15,240
Speaker 1: I'm I'm a guy. I like the lift weights. I

2228
01:57:15,280 --> 01:57:18,040
Speaker 1: don't really like Cardio, you know. But that's always the

2229
01:57:18,040 --> 01:57:21,040
Speaker 1: thing that's bummed me out when I've met like guys

2230
01:57:21,040 --> 01:57:23,720
Speaker 1: in movies and TV shows, is you know, I'm six ft,

2231
01:57:23,760 --> 01:57:26,440
Speaker 1: I'm about two forty. I'm a pretty big dude, and

2232
01:57:26,480 --> 01:57:29,960
Speaker 1: they're always tiny, you know. And I want these guys

2233
01:57:30,000 --> 01:57:32,800
Speaker 1: that are heroes on TV to be big. This guy

2234
01:57:32,880 --> 01:57:34,840
Speaker 1: is a fraction of your size, Alex. I mean he

2235
01:57:34,920 --> 01:57:36,800
Speaker 1: was he was like half of my size and I'm

2236
01:57:36,840 --> 01:57:39,240
Speaker 1: not a big guy by any mean. Wow, Like that's crazy.

2237
01:57:39,360 --> 01:57:42,200
Speaker 1: Like I had the opposite experience meeting pro football players,

2238
01:57:42,200 --> 01:57:44,400
Speaker 1: Like when I met Wes Welker, he used to play

2239
01:57:44,440 --> 01:57:46,640
Speaker 1: for the Patriots. When I met him, I expected him

2240
01:57:46,680 --> 01:57:49,560
Speaker 1: to be a tiny little man because on TV he is,

2241
01:57:50,240 --> 01:57:52,960
Speaker 1: because pro football players are just gigantic. And when I

2242
01:57:53,000 --> 01:57:54,760
Speaker 1: met up, he was like my size. I mean I

2243
01:57:54,800 --> 01:57:56,760
Speaker 1: was heavier than him, but he was just a few

2244
01:57:56,800 --> 01:57:59,000
Speaker 1: inches shorter than me and yoked, and I was like

2245
01:57:59,000 --> 01:58:00,920
Speaker 1: West Welker could kick my ass. And he looks like

2246
01:58:00,920 --> 01:58:06,360
Speaker 1: a child on TV. I met um uh Randy Kator

2247
01:58:06,840 --> 01:58:10,400
Speaker 1: and Ken Shamrock one time, and like they're both big dudes.

2248
01:58:10,760 --> 01:58:14,120
Speaker 1: Like Ken Shamrock is short, but he's wide, like he's built.

2249
01:58:14,200 --> 01:58:17,160
Speaker 1: He's a big guy. Actually, I met Randy Cotour last year.

2250
01:58:17,200 --> 01:58:19,280
Speaker 1: There's I just posted a picture on Instagram a few

2251
01:58:19,320 --> 01:58:21,800
Speaker 1: days ago with me and Randy Cotour and he's about

2252
01:58:21,840 --> 01:58:24,280
Speaker 1: my size and like I said, I'm six ft forty,

2253
01:58:24,280 --> 01:58:27,280
Speaker 1: I'm a pretty big dude. Yeah, so he's a big dude. Yeah,

2254
01:58:27,360 --> 01:58:31,080
Speaker 1: for sure. The scariest ones are basketball players because like

2255
01:58:31,120 --> 01:58:33,320
Speaker 1: you watch it on TV and the shortest guys are

2256
01:58:33,400 --> 01:58:36,480
Speaker 1: six ft. So when you when you see like like

2257
01:58:36,520 --> 01:58:40,320
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan's is six six, and you know he's little average,

2258
01:58:40,520 --> 01:58:42,600
Speaker 1: he's an average basketball player, and then all a sudden

2259
01:58:42,640 --> 01:58:44,360
Speaker 1: you seem in person at six six and you're like,

2260
01:58:44,760 --> 01:58:48,320
Speaker 1: big man, cool shoulders, Like where's the rest of your head? Yeah,

2261
01:58:48,720 --> 01:58:51,040
Speaker 1: it's like I I saw Dwayne Johnson. I didn't meet him.

2262
01:58:51,120 --> 01:58:54,040
Speaker 1: I saw him in a crowd once from like maybe

2263
01:58:54,080 --> 01:58:56,920
Speaker 1: fifty yards away, but I was able to see him

2264
01:58:56,920 --> 01:58:59,680
Speaker 1: in the crowd easily because the bottom of his neck

2265
01:58:59,840 --> 01:59:03,280
Speaker 1: was higher than everyone else's head. Yeah, he's He's a

2266
01:59:03,320 --> 01:59:05,800
Speaker 1: fucking huge dude, isn't he. He's a giant. I mean,

2267
01:59:05,840 --> 01:59:08,560
Speaker 1: I think he's like six ft five, which isn't that crazy,

2268
01:59:08,600 --> 01:59:10,680
Speaker 1: But if you're six ft five, but you also look

2269
01:59:10,680 --> 01:59:12,960
Speaker 1: at that big you know, because it's harder to put

2270
01:59:13,080 --> 01:59:15,120
Speaker 1: muscle on a longer frame, you know what I mean,

2271
01:59:15,200 --> 01:59:18,000
Speaker 1: And he looks huge at six five, it's because he's

2272
01:59:18,000 --> 01:59:23,760
Speaker 1: actually like a garbage truck walking around. The giant giant man,

2273
01:59:24,600 --> 01:59:28,200
Speaker 1: you know. But then you know, you hear about guys

2274
01:59:28,200 --> 01:59:31,800
Speaker 1: like Tom Cruise or I just watched Baywatch Unrated, you know,

2275
01:59:31,840 --> 01:59:34,480
Speaker 1: the Dwayne Johnson movie that bay watches in and in

2276
01:59:34,600 --> 01:59:37,240
Speaker 1: a lot of scenes, zac Efron is like talking directly

2277
01:59:37,320 --> 01:59:41,960
Speaker 1: to Dwyne Johnson's face, almost like they're similarly tall. And

2278
01:59:42,280 --> 01:59:43,560
Speaker 1: so I had to look it up because my wife

2279
01:59:43,560 --> 01:59:45,720
Speaker 1: thinks zach Affron's hot, so I hate him, of course.

2280
01:59:46,240 --> 01:59:49,280
Speaker 1: Uh dudes, five ft seven, he's literally a full foot

2281
01:59:49,320 --> 01:59:51,640
Speaker 1: shorter than Dwaint shots he's standing on top of a

2282
01:59:51,680 --> 01:59:54,320
Speaker 1: box when he talks to Dwayne. Yeah, like Tom Cruise

2283
01:59:54,320 --> 01:59:57,720
Speaker 1: has spent his entire career, right, yeah, yeah, he must

2284
01:59:57,760 --> 01:59:59,960
Speaker 1: be wearing like corrective shoes to get him. That was

2285
02:00:00,080 --> 02:00:03,040
Speaker 1: the thing with Pacino. They got um that new Scorsese

2286
02:00:03,160 --> 02:00:05,200
Speaker 1: film coming out, like what's called The Irishman or something

2287
02:00:05,240 --> 02:00:07,720
Speaker 1: like that. Oh really, now i'm the trailer. I think

2288
02:00:07,720 --> 02:00:09,720
Speaker 1: it's got out on Netflix in October. I want to

2289
02:00:09,720 --> 02:00:14,880
Speaker 1: say it's like Scorsese Pacino. Um DeNiro is the guy, didn't.

2290
02:00:14,880 --> 02:00:18,240
Speaker 1: They had a shot of them, like a still from

2291
02:00:18,480 --> 02:00:22,120
Speaker 1: from the set, and de Niro is in like platforms

2292
02:00:22,320 --> 02:00:25,320
Speaker 1: that would make any woman in the seventies blosh, like

2293
02:00:25,320 --> 02:00:29,240
Speaker 1: like like eight inch platforms just huge, and you're like

2294
02:00:29,320 --> 02:00:30,760
Speaker 1: all right, I guess. I mean, if you're gonna make

2295
02:00:30,800 --> 02:00:33,480
Speaker 1: him look six to when you're five six, like, how

2296
02:00:33,480 --> 02:00:36,040
Speaker 1: would either you stand on a box or you wear shoes?

2297
02:00:36,080 --> 02:00:38,520
Speaker 1: But it's movie is called The Irishman. You got DeNiro

2298
02:00:38,680 --> 02:00:42,160
Speaker 1: and Pacina. It's what the fun? Can I get some

2299
02:00:42,200 --> 02:00:46,240
Speaker 1: representation in Hollywood place? It's it's a it's a famous mobster. Oh,

2300
02:00:46,280 --> 02:00:48,840
Speaker 1: it's the Jimmy Hoffa story. Um, it's the guy that

2301
02:00:48,960 --> 02:00:53,120
Speaker 1: kills Jimmy Hoffa, whoever he is. And it's about that. Um,

2302
02:00:53,200 --> 02:00:56,240
Speaker 1: And well, I'm not I'm not surprised at all. Man.

2303
02:00:56,240 --> 02:00:57,800
Speaker 1: I mean, Mark Wahlberg up from what I heard, is

2304
02:00:57,800 --> 02:01:00,280
Speaker 1: only like five steven or five eight as well. You know,

2305
02:01:00,560 --> 02:01:02,760
Speaker 1: because when you when you have like Mark Wallberg has

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Speaker 1: got kind of like a stocky, tough guy build. That

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Speaker 1: stocky tough guy build doesn't really usually come in six

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Speaker 1: ft tall packages, you know. But when you know you're

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Speaker 1: playing opposite you know, an actress who's five ft eleven

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Speaker 1: and is wearing heels or calves look right on camera,

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Speaker 1: you gotta put Mark Wahlberg in some fucking platform shoes, man,

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Speaker 1: you know, otherwise hirtle's sturan's gonna make them look tiny.

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Speaker 1: All right, man, I think we've probably gone for like

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Speaker 1: two hours, and uh we have like gone around the

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Speaker 1: world like several times like this is, uh, this is

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Speaker 1: the weirdest podcast I've done. This is the weirdest podcast

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Speaker 1: any of us have ever done. And uh, this is like, uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's like one of those weird like Joe

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Speaker 1: Rogan podcasts where they're smoking, very very similar, except that

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Speaker 1: all I've had to drink is a cup of coffee today,

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Speaker 1: So I mean, I I don't even here drinking Walmart

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Speaker 1: Clear American Wild Cherry sparkling water. So you know, I'm

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Speaker 1: getting wild hopped up on goofball. All is over there,

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Speaker 1: Alex exactly, exactly. Well, we'll do this again sometime with

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Speaker 1: with more alcohol and than Yeah, we'll do the Batman

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Speaker 1: Superman episode. I'm sure there's some there are some listeners

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Speaker 1: that will probably get a kick out of it. There's

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Speaker 1: probably a lot would be like Jack, you need to

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Speaker 1: just stick to what you're good at and stop sucking around. Um,

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Speaker 1: but we'll do that. We'll get to that at some point. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Anyone got any final thoughts to throw out before we

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Speaker 1: wrap this thing up? Well, throwing all my plugs here

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Speaker 1: if if you were interested in my unique brand of rambling,

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Speaker 1: you can find it on Facebook at Alex Hollings Writer

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Speaker 1: on Twitter at Alex Hollings fifty two. You can also

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Speaker 1: go to my website Alex Hollings dot com and of

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Speaker 1: course check out the load out room every day. We've

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Speaker 1: got new gear reviews going up, lots of video content

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Speaker 1: and uh, you know, and we're really happy to have

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Speaker 1: you guys there. If you want to chime in the

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Speaker 1: comments down below, I'm always keeping tabs, so come pay

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Speaker 1: us a visit right on, man, thanks for coming on

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Speaker 1: the show. Uh, we will do it again soon. I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna have to, like I said, take my notes, get

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Speaker 1: out the yellow legal pad. Um. But we'll do like

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Speaker 1: the epic Superhero episode, one of these things. That'd be

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Speaker 1: a blast. I would love it absolutely um. In the meantime,

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Speaker 1: let's see, I got a few things I'm working on

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Speaker 1: for the website, but really the only thing I have

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Speaker 1: to plug is is the same as usual in my book.

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Speaker 1: So Murphy's Law is out there if you guys want

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Speaker 1: to go and check it out. The audio book is

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Speaker 1: out Kindle e book. However you guys want it, you

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Speaker 1: can obtain it and leave a review, and we have

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Speaker 1: a review good, better and different. Please, I can't. I

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Speaker 1: can't recommend it enough, honestly, guys, I read a lot

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Speaker 1: of bad veteran writing. Uh. And then you know, especially

2358
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Speaker 1: because you know, a lot of times guys will release

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Speaker 1: books and I'm like, well, I really want to hear

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Speaker 1: his story, and you can tell this person is not

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Speaker 1: a storyteller, you know, Uh, the story might still be good.

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Speaker 1: What's great about Jack's book is that Jack's stories are incredible,

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Speaker 1: and Jack is also a storyteller. It's really it's hard

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Speaker 1: to put the book down. I can't recommend it. I

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Speaker 1: will say, there's no ghostwriter on the book, like, I

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Speaker 1: wrote the whole fucking thing myself. So that's probably part

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Speaker 1: of the reason. Like, um, like Remy Adel when we

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Speaker 1: had him on the other day, he said the same thing.

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Speaker 1: I respect him for that because he's like, yeah, I know,

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Speaker 1: ghost writer, I wrote this book myself, you know. And

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Speaker 1: it's true because when when you hire a ghostwriter, a

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Speaker 1: lot of times a lot of the edge is lost

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Speaker 1: because the ghostwriter doesn't know the experiences that you have.

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Speaker 1: A lot of times they're not even military, you know.

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Speaker 1: And they're they're working with notes and your books. Awesome. Man,

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Speaker 1: I'm honestly, like I'm not saying this because you're my friend,

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Speaker 1: Like genuinely I'm having a blast reading it. I appreciate that, man,

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Speaker 1: Thank you so everybody going by it. But then when

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Speaker 1: you're done, also by my book. You can find it

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Speaker 1: on Amazon. It's called The Perception Worst. But you know

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Speaker 1: by bye, Jack's first by them together. It's Amazon. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you can get get who deal. It's come in two

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Speaker 1: days exactly. But hey, thanks a lot for having me on, guys.

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Speaker 1: I really appreciate it. All right, Thanks Alex, to talk

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Speaker 1: to you soon. I have a good guys. I mean,

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Speaker 1: at this point wrapping it up, it's just doing the

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Speaker 1: reads and getting out of here. How do you follow that?

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Speaker 1: You don't you father that we went from existential nihilism

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Speaker 1: you couldn't. Yeah, you wouldn't do with justice? You really

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Speaker 1: just I mean, if if you're a fan of this podcast,

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Speaker 1: do want to apologize in advance. Um, he cut out,

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Speaker 1: Alex cut out a little bit throughout the duration, like

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Speaker 1: about halfway through. That is unavoidable editwise, So previous shows

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Speaker 1: that I've worked on, they'll chirt me. Hey, what you

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Speaker 1: know what happened here? That's unavoidable. That is just part

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Speaker 1: of radio magic. So please do not think that I'm

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Speaker 1: doing a poor job. Outside of that. Do you want

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Speaker 1: to reveal who will be here Tuesday? Oh? Yeah, good call. Um.

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Speaker 1: So I've been trying to get this gentleman on for

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Speaker 1: a little while. Um, and we had some schedule in

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Speaker 1: conflicts and things like that we had to work out,

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Speaker 1: but we will have. Our next episode will have the

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Speaker 1: author Ben Blum on uh. And Ben wrote a book

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Speaker 1: called Ranger Games. So if you guys want to get

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Speaker 1: a little head of the power curve, you go ahead

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Speaker 1: and get his book on Amazon right now with Murphy's

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Speaker 1: Mphy the Perception Wars, get the bundle deal. Um. I

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Speaker 1: read his book, Ranger Games. It's very good. It's um.

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Speaker 1: What the what the book is about is the author's

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Speaker 1: cousin was one of uh several rangers Army rangers who

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Speaker 1: robbed a bank in Tacoma, UM a while back, and

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Speaker 1: Ben's book breaks down it breaks down a lot of

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Speaker 1: things that it's not so much like who done it

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Speaker 1: because it's pretty clear, you know who did it, who

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Speaker 1: did it? Um well, and law enforcement figured it out

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Speaker 1: pretty quick, so that that part of it goes down

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Speaker 1: fairly quickly. Although he does examine what happened the day

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Speaker 1: of the bank robbery and how it all went down.

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Speaker 1: But the book primarily it's about four pages and it

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Speaker 1: really explores the question of why, like why did these

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Speaker 1: guys who are elite soldiers commit this crime? Um? And

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Speaker 1: we will get into it and I will definitely we

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Speaker 1: will have a very interesting conversation with Ben about his

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Speaker 1: book and about you know, his family and his process

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Speaker 1: of going through writing this book and and all the

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Speaker 1: ins and outs of it. So I'm very excited to

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Speaker 1: talk to him. All right With that, thank you guys

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Speaker 1: for listening. Be sure to leave reviews, subscribe to the channel.

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Speaker 1: I mean, if you already aren't, you should be. Alex

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Speaker 1: was incredible that this I'm mentally dreamed. There was so

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Speaker 1: much I know, I just I just wish we had

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Speaker 1: like more source citations to inject into it because we

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Speaker 1: we like, went all over the place and so many things. Uh.

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Speaker 1: But with that, thank you guys for listening as always,

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