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Speaker 1: Week twelve in the Conference of Champions, and maybe we

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Speaker 1: we are joined by Mr John Wilner, the man who

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Speaker 1: writes the bible for the Pack twelve, which is the

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Speaker 1: PAC twelve Hotline newsletter over at the Bay Area News

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Speaker 1: Group syndicated all over the place. I'm George Rice Stir,

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Speaker 1: He's Ralph Amston, and he is John Wilner. And this

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Speaker 1: and we're gonna keep it. One hundred guys, welcome to

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Speaker 1: perfect um So, John and Ralph, what were your takeaways

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Speaker 1: and John, You've been covering this super closely. So in

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Speaker 1: what are the other scenarios where Utah could miss it

430
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:41,640
Speaker 1: because they are a five lost team. Well, they're supposed

431
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:44,320
Speaker 1: to take the general rules that they would take the

432
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:48,600
Speaker 1: next highest ranked team from the pack twelve, and there

433
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:51,040
Speaker 1: wouldn't be one at that point. But there wouldn't be one.

434
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:56,600
Speaker 1: It is possible that a s U at nine and

435
00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:59,879
Speaker 1: three could be ranked even though they would be second

436
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:05,359
Speaker 1: in the division, ahead of Utah at nine and five

437
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:12,000
Speaker 1: or eight and five. Now, however, however, there is discretion

438
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:15,680
Speaker 1: available that then they take other things into account. They're

439
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:20,040
Speaker 1: not completely bound by the rankings. And I have to

440
00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:24,480
Speaker 1: think that with Utah having one the head to head

441
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:27,920
Speaker 1: and one the division, and the reason they've got one

442
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:31,639
Speaker 1: extra loss is because they had an extra game against Oregon,

443
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:36,720
Speaker 1: that they would take Utah. I would be really surprised.

444
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:40,560
Speaker 1: And the Conference Office has a role. They will advise

445
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:46,200
Speaker 1: UH with the Rose the Tournament of Roses, and I've

446
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:48,280
Speaker 1: got to think that they would take Utah. And plus,

447
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:51,160
Speaker 1: why do they want to take an issue? Who knows

448
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:53,440
Speaker 1: who's gonna be coaching them, whether they're gonna be under

449
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:58,480
Speaker 1: sanctions at that point. I mean, I would be shocked

450
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:01,879
Speaker 1: if if you TAK even with five losses, was passed

451
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 1: over in favor of a s U, just for a

452
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 1: variety of reasons. Do you think George Cleevcoff could call

453
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:12,920
Speaker 1: the Rose Bowl selection committee and say, hey, we're gonna

454
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:14,960
Speaker 1: turn down our invite, and we want you to invite

455
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:19,919
Speaker 1: University of Louisiana at Lafayette UH under the condition that

456
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:22,960
Speaker 1: Billy Napier picks one of our schools to be his

457
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 1: next coaching destination. I think that'd be a nice exchange. Well,

458
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:30,080
Speaker 1: I mean, the thing is that, look, the we're given

459
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:33,400
Speaker 1: the situation with the playoff and the Rose Bowl, wanted

460
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:35,919
Speaker 1: to be part of the playoff, and the Pack twelve

461
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 1: going to bat for the Rose Bowl. They're not in

462
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:41,000
Speaker 1: position where they want to get on the wrong side

463
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:45,640
Speaker 1: of the conference right that there's a there's a political

464
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:48,040
Speaker 1: backdrop to all this with the with the expansion of

465
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 1: the playoff. So my guess is the Conference office says, look,

466
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:54,240
Speaker 1: what you guys need to take Utah is the right

467
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:56,240
Speaker 1: thing to do on a number of reasons. I don't

468
00:27:56,280 --> 00:28:00,480
Speaker 1: care that they're not ranked in issues ranked. You gotta

469
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 1: take Utah. It's the fair thing to do that they

470
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 1: wouldn't they would end up taking Utah, all right. That

471
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:13,480
Speaker 1: makes that makes a lot of sense. Um, And now

472
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 1: on to the next game. We have, uh Stanford at

473
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 1: Oregon State. This game was an absolute blood bath that

474
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:27,679
Speaker 1: it did not look like Stanford belonged on the field

475
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:31,639
Speaker 1: with Oregon State. Like the Oregon State defense looked like

476
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:35,960
Speaker 1: the five Bears, And I mean it was bad, dude.

477
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 1: It was at halftime it was only fourteen zero, but

478
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 1: but it felt like they were down by thirty thousand points,

479
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 1: like like there wasn't a scenario where the defense didn't

480
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:51,720
Speaker 1: have pick sixes or fumble sixes that they were gonna

481
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 1: be able to win. Like what, I guess, what's your

482
00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:00,720
Speaker 1: take on Oregon State because there's nothing to say about

483
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:04,960
Speaker 1: Stamford right now? Really, what are we supposed to put

484
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 1: together a few paragraphs on Ari Pato going seven for

485
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 1: fourteen for fifty one yards or should we focus on

486
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 1: Austin Jones and Nathaniel Pete combining for seventy one yards

487
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 1: rushing because I don't have anything on either. Well, what

488
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 1: do you what? What do you take away from Oregon

489
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 1: State from from this game? Just that they are very

490
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 1: good in Corvallis and Arizona State should be worried about

491
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 1: about that they seem to be too completely different teams. Um,

492
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:43,959
Speaker 1: I lestened I listened to UH Andrew Hobner talk about

493
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 1: the difference between the Beavers on the road and at home,

494
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 1: and um, he thinks it's just a matter of of

495
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 1: of just comfort in front of those fans, that they

496
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 1: just they still haven't figured out how to win on

497
00:29:57,680 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 1: the road yet. But that who they are at home

498
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 1: is really at its core, Um, who they are, that

499
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 1: the stuff that they do just just works a little

500
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 1: bit better. Obviously they made a change at UM at

501
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 1: a defensive coordinator, but I'm not sure that that impacted

502
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 1: a game against Stanford. UH. And so you know, I

503
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 1: I'm always impressed when I watch Oregon State and they're

504
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 1: playing in Corvallis, And this was no this was no

505
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 1: exception chance. Nolan had six incompletions. The team as a whole,

506
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 1: I mean, everybody was running the ball. Champ Flemings had

507
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 1: three catches, your favorite guy, George five ft five Champ Flemings. UM.

508
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 1: And then of course you know they're still trotten backup

509
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:39,600
Speaker 1: quarterback Jet Coletto out there, who who feels like he

510
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:42,720
Speaker 1: scores a touchdown every time he touches the ball. UM.

511
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 1: And so I don't know, I just I think they're

512
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 1: an incredibly dangerous team if they are playing at one

513
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 1: stadium in particular, John, Yeah, I don't know that you

514
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:58,120
Speaker 1: can take anything much if anything went about Oregon State

515
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:01,680
Speaker 1: just because Stanford was did not pose any resistance, you know.

516
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 1: And look, Stanford wants to put he was what their

517
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 1: fourth he I think he's their fourth string quarterback. So

518
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:13,959
Speaker 1: you know they should be able to run the ball better,

519
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 1: There's no doubt about that. But at certain point you

520
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 1: get down that QB depth chart and it's like, you know,

521
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 1: you just can't expect much, right, you can't expect much? Now?

522
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 1: Is it on them for not having a good backup

523
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 1: quarter number two? Because Jack Weston any good? Yeah? I

524
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 1: think it is on them for that. But you know,

525
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:37,480
Speaker 1: what are you gonna expect if they're playing a kid

526
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 1: who a freshman who was in high school in the

527
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 1: spring and had played like one quarter of one game

528
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 1: and is the fourth stringer. Gosh, just tough. Yeah. Speaking

529
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 1: of the speaking of Oregon State, um, somebody in the

530
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals press scrum today asked the Arizona Cardinals offensive

531
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 1: line coach Sean Harlow what he thinks of Oregon State

532
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 1: this year, since that's his alma mater, and he said,

533
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 1: I don't have the Pack twelve network. So there you go.

534
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 1: That's how things are going. That is so depressing. That

535
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 1: is that that's the biggest crime is that you have

536
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 1: good teams and they can't be seen all right, Arizona

537
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 1: State at Washington, this was a game that Arizona State

538
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 1: looked awful. Uh in the first half they were down

539
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 1: seventeen and seven, and Washington they came out rolling boy

540
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 1: with Junior Adams calling plays, Bob Gregory under the headset

541
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 1: people at halftime, Washington fans softly and all the rest

542
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 1: of them were like, yes, this is all we needed

543
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 1: was to unleashed, take off the chains, and then the

544
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 1: wheels fell off in the fourth quarter. I mean, it

545
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:53,239
Speaker 1: was it was a disaster and it just felt like

546
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 1: more of what Washington does. Um, they got a late

547
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 1: cheap touchdown to pull it within five, but yeah, I

548
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 1: didn't like what I saw from either one of these teams.

549
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 1: And I am truly concerned about Jaden Daniels because he

550
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 1: doesn't look like an NFL quarterback at this point, Like

551
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 1: he looks like a guy who needs to come back

552
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:21,479
Speaker 1: to school to be a draft worthy quarterback. You mean

553
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 1: back twelve completion percentage leader Jaden Daniels. Yes, that I

554
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 1: I don't even like imagine if he didn't lead the

555
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 1: universe in dropped passes. I still don't think he'd be

556
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 1: having a very good year. But we're talking about a

557
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 1: guy who's going out there maybe completing and I you know,

558
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 1: but something does look off. Um. I tell you what

559
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 1: won this game though, is that temperament that him and

560
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 1: her Edwards share. Not too high, not too low, never

561
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 1: get down and out. I told him you and I

562
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 1: talked George during the game, and I said, this is

563
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 1: just not a quarterback who is a comeback type of guy.

564
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 1: But he didn't need to be because the running game

565
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 1: did it all. The fact that Arizona State was even

566
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 1: attempting to throw the ball in the third quarter had

567
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 1: fans want to jump out a window. That was bananas.

568
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 1: They should have run the ball every play. I mean,

569
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 1: Washington can't stop the run. They can't stop the run,

570
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 1: so uh and that that that's a bad combination when

571
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:19,400
Speaker 1: you can't stop the run and you don't have a

572
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 1: good quarterback. Yes, what did you guys think of them

573
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:27,400
Speaker 1: sticking to the plan of bringing Huward in despite the

574
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 1: fact that they were backed up into their own end zone,

575
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:33,799
Speaker 1: and then they went back on the plan when it

576
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:36,799
Speaker 1: was his turn again because they continued to be backed

577
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:40,879
Speaker 1: up into their own They had scored two touchdowns with

578
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:43,359
Speaker 1: Morris at that point in time, I would have thrown

579
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 1: the plan out the window because I don't remember the

580
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:50,239
Speaker 1: last time they scored on two straight drives. I would

581
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 1: have kept that momentum going. I think it bothered Dylan Morris. Uh,

582
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:02,799
Speaker 1: I just listen. It was a no win situation. They

583
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:06,720
Speaker 1: want to get humored in the fans are calling for it,

584
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 1: but he hasn't looked great when he's gotten in. So

585
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:14,279
Speaker 1: whose faults is that? So? I don't know. Man Like

586
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 1: it was an impossible situation for Bob Gregory and Junior

587
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 1: Adams and the rest of their their staff. I probably

588
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 1: would have I probably would have stuck to the plan,

589
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 1: and if I were going to actually no, I would

590
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:31,239
Speaker 1: have kept Morris in. But if I were going to

591
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:33,759
Speaker 1: stick to the plan, I would have given Huard his

592
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:37,319
Speaker 1: two series and not chickened out after the first one

593
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 1: didn't didn't go well. I just can't imagine like being

594
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:44,360
Speaker 1: if being in a situation with ten minutes left in

595
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 1: that game, and the ghost of Christmas Future appeared and said,

596
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 1: ay s he was gonna blow this team out. Like

597
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 1: I I it would have been really really hard for

598
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 1: me to grasp that concept, just based on how down

599
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:02,840
Speaker 1: and out Arizona they looked for the majority of the game.

600
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 1: And uh and it's still it works somehow in Seattle

601
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:10,240
Speaker 1: in the rain and Arizona States traditionally been pretty miserable

602
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:13,320
Speaker 1: on the road. Um, it's just that this game is

603
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 1: really hard to wrap your mind around. My primary takeaway

604
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 1: is that shod White, she gets the ball probably every time. Um,

605
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 1: whether in the passing game or the running game. Just

606
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:25,839
Speaker 1: give him the rock and uh and and other than that,

607
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:30,759
Speaker 1: I I'm pretty sure that Dylan Morris almost died on

608
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 1: that field trying to tackle Tyler Johnson. I'm glad he's

609
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 1: okay because that was that That was a quite a

610
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 1: decision he made, saved a touchdown for a moment. Hey man,

611
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 1: you gotta ay when when you're back is against the wall,

612
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:46,759
Speaker 1: that's what you gotta do. He didn't want to be

613
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:50,280
Speaker 1: a Teddy Bridgewater. He wanted to go out for his team.

614
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:53,360
Speaker 1: The final game from this last week was the Washington

615
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 1: State Oregon game. Oregon won this game thirty eight to

616
00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:01,640
Speaker 1: twenty four. They looked pretty good um second quarter that

617
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 1: that fumble non fumble. But the biggest takeaway from this

618
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:11,840
Speaker 1: game I thought was what can' Kanzano ended up doing,

619
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 1: which probably helped the conference more than anything else this

620
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:20,240
Speaker 1: a week was he body bagged ESPN um with their

621
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 1: with their How would you describe the feed from that game,

622
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 1: like what what we saw on television? Because I thought

623
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 1: that the feed from the Pack twelve network was better.

624
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 1: I uh when when Anthony Brown fumbled quote unquote at

625
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:47,279
Speaker 1: the goal line, I swear the broadcast crew was this

626
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:51,400
Speaker 1: close to saying, well, this probably isn't gonna get overturned

627
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:54,719
Speaker 1: because we just don't even have the right cameras. I mean,

628
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:56,799
Speaker 1: I genuinely thought they were on the verge of just

629
00:37:57,160 --> 00:38:02,800
Speaker 1: saying the quiet part out loud, which which was the truth.

630
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:04,400
Speaker 1: They didn't have a good angle on it because they

631
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 1: didn't like the ESPN hasn't been taking this game seriously

632
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:10,319
Speaker 1: all year long. I've seen a million people complain about it,

633
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:13,800
Speaker 1: and I still you know, I spent enough time in

634
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 1: my grandparents basement watching unsolved mysteries on a tube television

635
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 1: that I'm not going to complain too much about the

636
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:21,839
Speaker 1: definition of any any game that I'm watching, but this

637
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:26,600
Speaker 1: one finally got to me. This was furry, fuzzy, look

638
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 1: like the TV screen was like velvet teller was off.

639
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's been color up off all year. And

640
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:36,360
Speaker 1: it's one of those things where it's like Game of

641
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:38,400
Speaker 1: Thrones and they're like, no, it's actually your fault that

642
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 1: it looks so dark. You have to adjust your TV.

643
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 1: I kept waiting for somebody to say one small step

644
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:50,279
Speaker 1: for man, because it was like, you know, it was

645
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:54,880
Speaker 1: like it was beamed in from two thousand miles away. Uh.

646
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:56,759
Speaker 1: And it's been like that. I don't know if it

647
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 1: every seven thirty ESPN game has been like that, but

648
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:02,880
Speaker 1: there in a bunch of them. Uh, there's no question

649
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 1: about that. So we'll see if what's seven thirty this

650
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 1: week is a sue Oregon State, so we'll see how

651
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 1: they do there. Do you expect it to be better?

652
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:19,239
Speaker 1: Being that? Being that from the Canzano articles, how he

653
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 1: said that, they said that, oh it was an accident,

654
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 1: it was a technical area. But every week exactly he

655
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:30,319
Speaker 1: got he got the truth though, So so what do

656
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 1: you think is good? What will it be better? Will

657
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 1: they change the equipment on the trucks for this week

658
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:39,879
Speaker 1: to shut people up? Maybe? I mean, they've got the

659
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:42,840
Speaker 1: The Oregan You Talk game is ABC, so I'm sure

660
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 1: that one will be fine. But you know, we'll see,

661
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 1: we'll see what happens. You're gonna get the seven thirties

662
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 1: of Brooder film, all right? Um, and before we finish

663
00:39:56,120 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 1: up with this week. So I am a lever that

664
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:03,439
Speaker 1: have Oregon finishes twelve and one, there's still number three

665
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 1: in the college football playoff, Um that they that there

666
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:11,360
Speaker 1: isn't a scenario where they win out in our twelve

667
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:15,280
Speaker 1: and one and miss because they're already at number three. Now, John,

668
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:19,320
Speaker 1: you feel otherwise. Look, I think that if they're twelve

669
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:21,919
Speaker 1: and one, they should make it, and I would say

670
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 1: I would give it a chance that they do make it.

671
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 1: But you know, let me run this scenario by you.

672
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:34,359
Speaker 1: Michigan State beats Ohio State this week, Michigan State's passing them.

673
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 1: They're going to three, right, Okay, So then you're go

674
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 1: into the next week and the Ducks barely beat the

675
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:49,240
Speaker 1: Beavers their number four, Michigan's number Cincinnati's five, Michigan six,

676
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:53,440
Speaker 1: the Ducks barely beat the Beavers. Michigan goes in beats

677
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 1: Ohio State by two touchdowns ten points. I don't know.

678
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:02,759
Speaker 1: Michigan might pass them in Oregon ends up playing unranked

679
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 1: Utah in the championship game and they're not They're impressive.

680
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 1: I think a lot of it's gonna depend on how

681
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 1: good does Oregon look. Right if both Michigan schools went out,

682
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:16,920
Speaker 1: Oregon could have a tough time. I don't think that

683
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 1: both Michigan schools will, but that is to me, that's

684
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 1: the major threat to the to the Ducks. Michigan would

685
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:30,440
Speaker 1: have two common opponents with the Ducks, Washington and Ohio State,

686
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 1: and that would come into play as well for that

687
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:39,240
Speaker 1: final spot. I was listening to herd Edge podcast earlier today,

688
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 1: which is Rich Rodriguez podcast with the Best Kept Secrets

689
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 1: out There. He's he's all himself too, super candid even

690
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:48,799
Speaker 1: though he's still a college offensive coordinator, and he was

691
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 1: trying to make a uh. He was making a pretty

692
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 1: strong case, George for for Oklahoma State passing some people

693
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 1: as well. They they may They've got a couple of

694
00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 1: ranked opponents. There's no doubt and there will be some

695
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 1: if Incinnati is undefeated, you know it is easy. The

696
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:08,279
Speaker 1: easiest way for the committee to get a group of

697
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 1: five team in is too is to screw the Pack twelve. Right,

698
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:13,719
Speaker 1: It's easier to do that to the Pack twelve that

699
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 1: it would be to any other conference, just because of

700
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:21,280
Speaker 1: what the perception is, what the value is to ESPN.

701
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:25,240
Speaker 1: So if they're if they're ever gonna put a team

702
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:28,440
Speaker 1: in a group of five team in at the exclusion

703
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 1: of a Power five champ, it would be the Pac twelve.

704
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:35,719
Speaker 1: Oh hey, I get ready for that. Oregon, Notre Dame

705
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 1: Fiesta Bull George. Nope, nope, I do not accept it.

706
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 1: I do not accept that that would that that would

707
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:46,439
Speaker 1: be a fight, dude, that would be an absolute fight.

708
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:49,360
Speaker 1: And I think that George klikov is up for that fight.

709
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:52,640
Speaker 1: John John, if Oregon got left out at twelve and

710
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:56,279
Speaker 1: one after already being number three, do you think that

711
00:42:56,400 --> 00:43:02,480
Speaker 1: klikov Is has the temperament, uh to like not go

712
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:05,360
Speaker 1: out quietly and to make a bunch of noise in

713
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:08,959
Speaker 1: the process. Oh, I think he would make noise, absolutely absolutely,

714
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:11,399
Speaker 1: And again I don't think it's likely. But if you're

715
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 1: looking for scenarios, it's two Big ten teams, it's Cincinnati

716
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:21,279
Speaker 1: with a political push, or it is Oklahoma State, you know,

717
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:24,880
Speaker 1: blowing the doors off of the of the Sooners. What

718
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 1: would it be twice? You know? So yeah, we'll see,

719
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:32,399
Speaker 1: all right, the Ducks have got to look good. That

720
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 1: cannot be overstated. Oh god, yes, all right. Um. Now

721
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:44,840
Speaker 1: on to the Pack twelve power rankings for this week. Um, Ralph,

722
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:52,759
Speaker 1: who do you have this week? Apologies? That was on

723
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 1: on mute so you couldn't hear me snickering about your

724
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:58,400
Speaker 1: Oregon Ducks getting left out of the college football playoff.

725
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 1: Um My, My rankings are the exact same as last week.

726
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 1: Not one thing changed. Is the first time that's happened

727
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 1: all year. Um, but but it felt nice to have

728
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 1: some stability. Uh twelve through seven, I've got Arizona at

729
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:16,800
Speaker 1: the bottom, Stanford Colorado, Washington in the eighth hole, I

730
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:20,759
Speaker 1: got USC, and at seven, I've got Cal. All right.

731
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:28,239
Speaker 1: For me, I have Arizona at twelve. I have uh

732
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 1: Stanford at eleven because their team is just absolutely just

733
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 1: the wheels have come off, especially without Tanner McKee. Colorado

734
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:44,920
Speaker 1: at ten, USC at nine, Washington at eight, and UH.

735
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:48,879
Speaker 1: I like Cal at seven as well, how about you, John,

736
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:53,480
Speaker 1: I've got uh well, I can't actually tell you right

737
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:55,719
Speaker 1: now because my internet is working not working very well,

738
00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:59,800
Speaker 1: but it's uh I can't think of anything that would

739
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:02,440
Speaker 1: have changed in the bottom. Would you put would you

740
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 1: put based on the way they're playing right now? Would

741
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:09,800
Speaker 1: you put Stanford under Arizona? Uh no, I've got Stanford eleventh,

742
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 1: Colorado tend Stanford eleven, Arizona twelve. I've had that for

743
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:18,719
Speaker 1: two weeks in a row. Now, who would win George Stanford, Arizona.

744
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:23,839
Speaker 1: I would pick Arizona. Okay, but okay, I mean it's

745
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:27,600
Speaker 1: Tanna McKey playing or not. Well, then yeah, if he's

746
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:30,279
Speaker 1: not playing, then then Arizona may win. But I think

747
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 1: if he's playing, Stanford winds. But it would be fun.

748
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 1: All right, quickly there are oh now, now at the top,

749
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 1: what do you have? Ralph Oregon State at six, U

750
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:46,279
Speaker 1: C l A at five, Arizona State at four, Washington

751
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 1: State at three, Utah at two, and Oregon at one.

752
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:55,400
Speaker 1: Um me, I have Oregon. I'm sorry, I have Washington

753
00:45:55,480 --> 00:46:00,719
Speaker 1: State at six, U see l A at five, um

754
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 1: Oregon State at four, yeah, yeah, Oregan State at for

755
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 1: Arizona State at three Utah to an Oregon at one.

756
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:15,319
Speaker 1: How about you, John, Yeah, I think that's right. I

757
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:20,840
Speaker 1: think that's right. Now quickly, there are the conference players

758
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:24,360
Speaker 1: of the year. We we will talk more about this,

759
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:28,359
Speaker 1: uh next week, But John, who do you think it's

760
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 1: going to be voted Defensive Player of the Year, Because

761
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:35,240
Speaker 1: I think there's really only two guys that are pretty

762
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:38,840
Speaker 1: much gonna that have a shot, and that's Devin Lloyd

763
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:42,920
Speaker 1: from Utah the linebacker, and Cavon Thibodeaux from from Oregon.

764
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:46,760
Speaker 1: I'm gonna guess that Lloyd would be the pick because

765
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 1: I think that the coaches may feel like he had

766
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:54,800
Speaker 1: a more consistent impact, not you know, they're not going

767
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:58,439
Speaker 1: on on NFL talent, and they vote against Oregon guys,

768
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:02,279
Speaker 1: always against guys, that's right. So I would pick Lloyd,

769
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 1: And I think you can make a good case for

770
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 1: Lloyd too, he's been I would agree with that. I

771
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:09,399
Speaker 1: would agree with that. How about you, Ralph? Yeah, I'm

772
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:11,520
Speaker 1: I'm I'm with you guys on this. I think that

773
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:15,520
Speaker 1: if Stanford was any good, you'd probably have a third candidate. Um,

774
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 1: because I don't know if it's Kaye Blue. Kelly is

775
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:23,880
Speaker 1: having quietly one of the best years of anybody in

776
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:26,640
Speaker 1: in the Pack twelve, and it just doesn't matter because

777
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:29,359
Speaker 1: it doesn't there there's there's so many holes in that

778
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 1: boat that the ships sinking either way. So um, but yeah,

779
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:34,359
Speaker 1: I'm I'm, I'm with you. I do think Devin Loyd

780
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 1: will end up winning it unless unless they end up

781
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 1: playing twice and and and Thibadeau gets three sacks in

782
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:43,160
Speaker 1: each game. Yeah, I would agree with that. Um. The

783
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:45,920
Speaker 1: only other person who has no chance to win it,

784
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:47,879
Speaker 1: but I think it's been really good is Trip Trim

785
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 1: mcduffy from Washington UM. As far as Offensive Player of

786
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:57,319
Speaker 1: the Year, who the heck can get that? I mean

787
00:47:57,400 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 1: because like I mean, is Drake London's the best player

788
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:03,879
Speaker 1: in the FACT twelve on the offense this this year

789
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:07,279
Speaker 1: and he's been out for two games? Or I mean,

790
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:10,320
Speaker 1: like who can get it? The running back from Utah

791
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:15,279
Speaker 1: or or Anthony Brown which Tavion Thomas sitting out the

792
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 1: Arizona game hurt his cause. Yeah. Uh, I think that

793
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 1: the vote would split on the Oregon end between Anthony

794
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:25,759
Speaker 1: Brown and Travis Dye. I think Travis Dye probably get

795
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:29,360
Speaker 1: more votes than Brown. What do you think John for

796
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 1: Offensive player. I think of our voting right now, I'd

797
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:34,759
Speaker 1: vote for London because he's only missed one USC game,

798
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:37,520
Speaker 1: right they didn't play, so he's played in all but

799
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:40,799
Speaker 1: one and to me, that would qualify you for winning. Now,

800
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:42,439
Speaker 1: by the time you get to the end of the year,

801
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 1: when he will have missed four games, it's a little

802
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 1: bit different calculation. I don't know. You know who's getting

803
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:54,040
Speaker 1: overlooked A bunches is jind Laura And you know is

804
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 1: b J. Bayle are going to get some votes? Maybe

805
00:48:56,040 --> 00:49:00,080
Speaker 1: he does, Dorian Johnson, Robinson, Jackson, Renee, I don't know.

806
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 1: It's it's kind of I think it's up in the air,

807
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:06,799
Speaker 1: and that's that's okay. And part of the reason is

808
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:11,959
Speaker 1: because there's no dominant quarterback. And now how I would

809
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 1: give it to Travis Diet I'm just gonna throw that

810
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 1: out there because I know what I can. I can.

811
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 1: I can live with that. But now I think for

812
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:23,440
Speaker 1: coaching a year, is there only one option because of

813
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:25,759
Speaker 1: how many job openings there are. You can't give it

814
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:28,839
Speaker 1: to her, you can't give it to Chip, can't give

815
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 1: it to Willcox. It's Jet Fish No. I mean, like

816
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:35,560
Speaker 1: like Johnny, it's either Jonathan Smith or christ the Ball

817
00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:41,080
Speaker 1: Like those are literally your only two options, right, I

818
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 1: would give it to Kyle winniham Well, I mean when

819
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:49,319
Speaker 1: is team I think they were picked. Yeah, they've had

820
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:52,319
Speaker 1: to deal with the death of a player. They have

821
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:58,440
Speaker 1: dominated their divisions on how they finished, right, Yeah. Absolutely

822
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:01,480
Speaker 1: the voting Just so people though, voting is supposed to

823
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 1: be done after the championship game. I believe unless they

824
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:07,400
Speaker 1: have changed the adjustive, changed the policy, you know, because

825
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:10,239
Speaker 1: the last year's chaos and all that, that should be

826
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:13,080
Speaker 1: the votes should be the day after the championship game

827
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:16,480
Speaker 1: and then they would announce it either Monday or Tuesday

828
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:19,799
Speaker 1: morning following bull selections. And I think it could come

829
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:22,399
Speaker 1: down to how how all three of those awards can

830
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:24,720
Speaker 1: come down to how that packed twelve championship has played

831
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:29,280
Speaker 1: could be yep, all right now onto our picks. Finally,

832
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:33,759
Speaker 1: our picks for this week. Um Ralph usually keeps track

833
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:38,200
Speaker 1: of these things, so, um, we have Arizona on a

834
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:40,880
Speaker 1: Friday night, which I always hate Friday night games, but

835
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:45,640
Speaker 1: Arizona at Washington State. Washington State is favored by fifteen

836
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 1: points over under fifty two and a half. Where are

837
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:56,439
Speaker 1: you at, John uh I think Washington State's gonna clean

838
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 1: their clocks. I just I mean, that's a long way

839
00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:00,359
Speaker 1: to go in a short week. And PLU, you've got

840
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:03,520
Speaker 1: a warm weather team. It's like forty and rain. I

841
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 1: think it's gonna be bad news. Plus Arizona is just

842
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:07,600
Speaker 1: gonna be thinking about a s U. I think that's

843
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 1: that's a blowout. I agree over over or under fifty

844
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:19,879
Speaker 1: two and a half probably over. Yeah, Um, I'm gonna

845
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:22,600
Speaker 1: go with the I'm gonna go with the under. I

846
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:24,800
Speaker 1: think the majority of points in this game are scored

847
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 1: by Washington State, that they'll score like thirty eight forty

848
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 1: all by themselves and it'll be like ten points for them.

849
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:38,280
Speaker 1: Um actually yeah, so um give me Washington State minus

850
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:42,040
Speaker 1: minus fifteen and the under. Where are you at, Ralph,

851
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:44,880
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna rock with John here on on

852
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:47,840
Speaker 1: the uh um, Washington State and the over. But I

853
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:50,640
Speaker 1: do think I do think Arizona might score a couple

854
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:54,960
Speaker 1: of touchdowns and might they're short on quarterbacks. Uh. Plumber

855
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:58,439
Speaker 1: got banged up pretty bad um the last couple of weeks,

856
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:00,839
Speaker 1: and so it'll be interesting to see what they do

857
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:03,480
Speaker 1: to either protect him or figure out what to do.

858
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:06,160
Speaker 1: If he can't finish the game, they shouldn't even play him.

859
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:09,719
Speaker 1: They should get him ready for a s U Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,

860
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:14,279
Speaker 1: because you can't go sit seventy seven again. Um all right,

861
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:17,200
Speaker 1: U c l A at U s C. U c

862
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:21,600
Speaker 1: l A is favored by three points over under sixty

863
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:26,319
Speaker 1: five and a half and Jackson dark is starting. Who

864
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:31,440
Speaker 1: you got, John, I've got, I've I've got U c

865
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:33,839
Speaker 1: l A. I did have to think about it when

866
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:35,719
Speaker 1: I found out Dart was starting, because I think that

867
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:38,239
Speaker 1: they've got a better chance to win with him. But

868
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:42,760
Speaker 1: you look at how they've played at home and the

869
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:45,840
Speaker 1: matchup of U c l as running game against USC's

870
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:49,799
Speaker 1: turnstile run defense, and I just think the Bruins will

871
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:53,960
Speaker 1: They're going to grind him over under sixty five and

872
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:57,279
Speaker 1: a half. Under sixty five and a half, that's a boy,

873
00:52:57,360 --> 00:53:03,120
Speaker 1: that's a lot of points. Yes, listen, I'm gonna go

874
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:07,520
Speaker 1: the under because I am not as convinced that I

875
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:10,360
Speaker 1: think Jackson Dart has a lot of talent. I just

876
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:13,080
Speaker 1: think that with the way U c l A move

877
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:16,759
Speaker 1: so much pre snap as a freshman quarterback, I think

878
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:19,960
Speaker 1: he's gonna get confused. Have a few turnovers. So give

879
00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:23,280
Speaker 1: me U c l A minus three points. Where you at, Ralph.

880
00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:28,680
Speaker 1: I think that they Jackson Dart better be because they

881
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:32,880
Speaker 1: are going to physically beat up on him at times

882
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:35,279
Speaker 1: during this game. He's got the resolve to make some

883
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:37,960
Speaker 1: big plays, whether it happens or not. But I think

884
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:39,759
Speaker 1: he's gonna get I think he's gonna get beat on

885
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:42,400
Speaker 1: by the c c l A defense and uh and

886
00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:44,480
Speaker 1: so for that reason, I'm gonna go U c l

887
00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:49,239
Speaker 1: A and the under. All right, Washington at Colorado, Washington

888
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:53,240
Speaker 1: minus six and a half over under of a pedestrian

889
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:58,239
Speaker 1: forty three? John, where are you at? I'm definitely Colorado

890
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:10,960
Speaker 1: forty three? Well, boy, it's like it's like the nineteen fifties.

891
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:17,680
Speaker 1: Um yeah, probably probably Colorado in the over. That feels

892
00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:19,520
Speaker 1: a little light to me, a little low to me.

893
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:21,759
Speaker 1: But I think Colorado is playing a little bit better.

894
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:24,719
Speaker 1: I don't know about Washington's motivation. You know, if you

895
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:27,600
Speaker 1: would plays, how is he going to respond? Colorado's defense

896
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:32,200
Speaker 1: is terrible? So yeah, yeah, I'm gonna go buffs in

897
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:35,560
Speaker 1: the under all right, I agree with you. I'm riding

898
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:39,879
Speaker 1: with John buff send me under. No no, no, no, no, over,

899
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:43,000
Speaker 1: did I say under? Yeah, yeah, I know what you mean.

900
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:46,120
Speaker 1: All right, we're gonna get to I think we're gonna

901
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:49,759
Speaker 1: get ourselves up fourteen to ten. Washington win here. Oh

902
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:54,880
Speaker 1: my god, so you're taking Colorado and the under I am,

903
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:59,399
Speaker 1: Oh my god, all right, Well we will, we will,

904
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:01,560
Speaker 1: we will se if anybody can get to twenty points.

905
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:03,440
Speaker 1: I haven't looked at the weather, though, I gotta I

906
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:07,040
Speaker 1: gotta admit. Is it says right now sixty degrees in

907
00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:11,799
Speaker 1: sunny Yeah at folsom Field. All right? Uh, the big

908
00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:15,719
Speaker 1: game Cal at Stanford, Cal is favored by a point

909
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:19,879
Speaker 1: and a half. Another pedestrian over under at forty five

910
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:22,719
Speaker 1: and a half. Where yet, John, you know, I think

911
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:27,239
Speaker 1: Stifferent will win. I'm assuming McKee plays. He's supposed to play. Uh,

912
00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:30,320
Speaker 1: Cal should have most of their guys. We don't know,

913
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:33,000
Speaker 1: we won't know, but they should have most of their guys.

914
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:35,839
Speaker 1: Garbers is supposed to play. But I just wonder if

915
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:38,239
Speaker 1: this whole last couple of weeks is kind of derailed Cow.

916
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:40,839
Speaker 1: You know, they were playing pretty darned well before it hit,

917
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:43,759
Speaker 1: and now, Uh, they've got guys that have have not

918
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:47,400
Speaker 1: practiced a lot, they haven't been on the field. You know,

919
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:50,000
Speaker 1: Garbers hadn't played in three weeks. I kind of like

920
00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:52,480
Speaker 1: Stanford now, even though they're not very good. I just

921
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:54,799
Speaker 1: think Cow's gonna have a lot of you know, they're

922
00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:58,479
Speaker 1: just the momentum issue is big for them. How about

923
00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:04,520
Speaker 1: the over under forty five and a half? Forty probably over?

924
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:09,360
Speaker 1: That's golly, there's bad offense in this conference, yes, I

925
00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:12,680
Speaker 1: and I'm going with the better bad, the better bad

926
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:16,479
Speaker 1: idea of going with Cow minus one and a half

927
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:19,600
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna take the over. I feel like they

928
00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:23,320
Speaker 1: get a couple of cheap touchdowns here. They're Garbers probably

929
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:27,680
Speaker 1: is excited to play pretty well, and Stanford's team is

930
00:56:27,719 --> 00:56:30,719
Speaker 1: just they can't do anything. So I'm gonna go with

931
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:35,680
Speaker 1: Cal and the over. How about you, Ralph? I think

932
00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:39,040
Speaker 1: this this might be the um anybody that comes back

933
00:56:39,080 --> 00:56:43,480
Speaker 1: from COVID struggles, whether they're symptomatic or not. That that's

934
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:45,360
Speaker 1: something that we've noticed across sports. So I'm gonna roll

935
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:50,560
Speaker 1: with Stanford. We got two games left, Arizona State at

936
00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:54,839
Speaker 1: Oregon State Arizona State minus three over under fifty nine.

937
00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:59,040
Speaker 1: Where yet John Over and I like a s U

938
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:03,080
Speaker 1: I think had some matchup issue for for Oregon States defense,

939
00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:07,440
Speaker 1: uh as you put six on them last year in Corvallis.

940
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:09,880
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be back and forth, but I

941
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:14,200
Speaker 1: like the issue. I'm gonna roll with the Beavers because

942
00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:16,760
Speaker 1: that game is gonna be InCor Vallis. It's gonna be

943
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:20,600
Speaker 1: a little nippy um, and I'm gonna go with the

944
00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:22,920
Speaker 1: over as well. There's gonna be a lot of points

945
00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:25,280
Speaker 1: scored in this game, but I think Oregon State is

946
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:27,960
Speaker 1: gonna be able to run the football. Where yet, Ralph,

947
00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:30,680
Speaker 1: I'm with John and the reason being everyone says that

948
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:32,360
Speaker 1: a s you can't win in cor Wallis, but there

949
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:34,840
Speaker 1: are two point conversion from nine players on this current

950
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:38,360
Speaker 1: team having done it three times. There are nine players

951
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:40,080
Speaker 1: on the current team that have won twice in core

952
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:42,840
Speaker 1: ballast and there are two point conversion away from having

953
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:46,400
Speaker 1: three players on this team. So they definitely we are

954
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:50,440
Speaker 1: gonna see that in the in the Pac twelve hotline, Buddy,

955
00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:54,240
Speaker 1: we're gonna see that one. That little fact toy um.

956
00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:57,919
Speaker 1: All Right, The final game up, the most important game

957
00:57:57,960 --> 00:58:02,440
Speaker 1: in the conference this week. Oregon at Utah Utah is

958
00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:06,520
Speaker 1: favorite by three points. It's in Rice Eccles over Under

959
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:12,080
Speaker 1: fifty nine, Where yet, John, fifty nine, I'm going under.

960
00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:14,800
Speaker 1: I like the Ducks to win out right. Uh. Anytime

961
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:17,080
Speaker 1: I can get Oregon with points, I'm gonna take it.

962
00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:19,400
Speaker 1: I think they play to the level of the competition,

963
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:22,080
Speaker 1: and they will play well, and they will run the

964
00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:25,040
Speaker 1: ball on you trus defense. So I'll take the Ducks

965
00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:28,520
Speaker 1: in the under boom. John knows what he's doing, is

966
00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:32,919
Speaker 1: why he writes the Bible. Um Um, Ralph, where yet,

967
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:36,320
Speaker 1: I'm on team Chaos, George. I apologize, but I'm going

968
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:38,600
Speaker 1: with the Utes. I can't get that final driving against

969
00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:43,360
Speaker 1: Arizona out of my head. Whoop, Well, sucks to be you, Ralph.

970
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:47,919
Speaker 1: You've gotta be a loser. Um well. And on that note,

971
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:50,440
Speaker 1: because Ralph has clearly lost his mind, that is the

972
00:58:50,600 --> 00:58:54,240
Speaker 1: end of the Back twelve apostles today, because we have

973
00:58:54,360 --> 00:58:56,520
Speaker 1: to take Ralph to the doctor in drug testimate at

974
00:58:56,560 --> 00:59:00,400
Speaker 1: this point. Um you guys, I'm George Rice Stir, He's

975
00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:04,560
Speaker 1: Ralph Amson, and he's John Wilner. Go read obviously the

976
00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:08,560
Speaker 1: the Pack twelve Hotline newsletter. Go read about the Pack

977
00:59:08,600 --> 00:59:11,760
Speaker 1: twelve on the Unafraid Show dot com. Peace out, Catch

978
00:59:11,840 --> 00:59:13,160
Speaker 1: you guys next week.